From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 03:40:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318ee8Z032763 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 03:40:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k318eqQY001392; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 03:40:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318dwqM034238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:39:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318dpTO040705; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:39:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k318dBBm040521 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 01:39:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB061668034C; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:34:14 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 00:39:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c65567$c8760cd0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <72adc2660603311029m6c673652pf3d18a470037d29b@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO A friend of mine works at Levi and says they have MANY more sizes available, which you can try, and then they will tweak the closest fit for you and keep the info, so that whenever you want another pair, you just phone and have them sent. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Marie Stewart Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Yeup... and I thought seriously about trying a pair... but in the end found another maker of jeans that fit - sigh - well enough, although I am always wanting the denim to be of a heavier weight. On 3/31/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Mari, do you know of the custom fit jeans available from Levis? Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting > > > Thank you for that article... very interesting. > > Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, and > raise their sales. > > Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside their > stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small independent > entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that > body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains you > could even have different stock for a particular body type in > different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one > section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or > request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This > wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap > clothing around between stores. > > How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items > would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand loyalty, > if a line provides better fit. > > Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell > more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. > > Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the perfect > fitting jean" in 1992. > > >Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store > > By MICHAEL BARBARO > > Published: March 31, 2006 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 09:55:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31EtuQw016050 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:55:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31Eu8PA027125; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:56:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31EtThp085704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31EtSt8077424; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:55:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31E0fmN041738 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 07:00:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.297.880c720 (16099) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee3442e877e3c6; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:00:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000001c65567$c8760cd0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000001c65567$c8760cd0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:00:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 09:56:12 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442E9489.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k31EtuQw016050 Status: RO Sharon, That is great news! How do we go about fitting ourselves for the "MANY more sizes"? Who do we contact? Any idea of the cost? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:39 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > A friend of mine works at Levi and says they have MANY more sizes > available, > which you can try, and then they will tweak the closest fit for you > and keep > the info, so that whenever you want another pair, you just phone and > have > them sent. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting > > > Yeup... and I thought seriously about trying a pair... but in the end > found > another maker of jeans that fit - sigh - well enough, although I am > always > wanting the denim to be of a heavier weight. > > On 3/31/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >> Mari, do you know of the custom fit jeans available from Levis? Sharon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >> On Behalf Of Marie Stewart >> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting >> >> >> Thank you for that article... very interesting. >> >> Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, and >> raise their sales. >> >> Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside their >> stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small independent >> entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that >> body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains you >> could even have different stock for a particular body type in >> different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one >> section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or >> request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This >> wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap >> clothing around between stores. >> >> How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items >> would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand loyalty, >> if a line provides better fit. >> >> Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell >> more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. >> >> Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the perfect >> fitting jean" in 1992. >> >>> Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store >>> By MICHAEL BARBARO >>> Published: March 31, 2006 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 11:08:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8j9C017367 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:08:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31G8vVg020357; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 11:09:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8ZeD091274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:08:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8Vo5024078; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:08:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31G8AxR023910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24355 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FPie6-0001u7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 10:08:14 -0600 Message-ID: <042e01c655a6$780a4970$e100a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <442D476E.20602@reddawn.net><7fde55ee665d4070cfe708855f643bda@aol.com> <442D6FC2.2060302@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] droolworthy victorian Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 10:08:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442EA599.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sigh, if only I had a horse! (And had ridden more recently than 16 or 17 years ago.) I can shoot and I can sew... -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 18:36:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NajgX029296 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:36:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31Nav0w016565; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:37:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NaWKM036050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NaG5T020181; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NaC6k020025 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IX200E3AHJZ5ORW@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:36:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:35:55 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:37:01 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F0E99.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Though the article /link is still not available for some reason, this is something that I have dealt with MANY times in my fashion classes with my students. The problem is that many stores have a fit model and makes everything to fit that one person or dressform. The other problem is that there are economic considerations. Large sizes cost more to make and more time to sew. So, stores come up with an "image" that they work with in conjunction with their fit--- think of Abercrombie and Fitch. Where many stores or clothing lines start trying to service many sizes, but when it doesn't fit the image they drop the sizes. For instance, the Limited does not sell men's pants larger than size 36. It seems to me that there is an awfully large market for clothes for those of us who are not "perfect"... Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 8:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere << > From: "Marie Stewart" > Date: March 31, 2006 1:25:19 PM EST > To: "Susan Data-Samtak" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere > > Great Idea! Thank you! Mari > > On 3/31/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: >> I only replied to you. Shall I forward your reply to me, back to the >> list? >> >> We can start with articulate people who know sewing and fit, to get >> the >> ball rolling. >> >> Susan >> >> "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >> too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark >> Trail" by Louis L'Amour >> >> On Mar 31, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Marie Stewart wrote: >> >>> That's an excellent question... Let me think about this a bit. >>> >>> Right off the top of my head I say Write to them. You know most of >>> the big chain department stores, Macy's, Hechts, Belk's, Ivy's, >>> Nordstrom's have websites. Let's write to them. Letters always >>> seem to carry more weight, but more people are willing to dash off a >>> 30 second email. >>> >>> Also, let's focus. If we scatter our efforts we dilute our impact. >>> Let's choose one or two chains that are densely packed regionally. >>> That will facilitate women getting to the stores, and the stores >>> swapping garments. Also, I would guess focus on the mid-range to >>> mid-upper range stores. Especially stores that cater to the >>> professional woman - Talbot's perhaps, or a similar chain. Stores >>> catering to the lower income people might not feel that their >>> clientel >>> want or value fit as much. >>> >>> Also, let's get more articles about this system - out there. >>> Magazines, web sites, newspaper articles. Letters to the editors. >>> The more people who know, the more women who value fit will be >>> interested in seeing this system implemented. >>> >>> Emphasize the time saving strategy of this way of shopping, not just >>> the better fit. Personal note... If I knew I could pick up 3 pairs >>> of >>> pants that I liked the look of and that they would fit, and not have >>> to try all three pairs on... you have just save me 10-15 minutes in >>> the dressing room. I have more time to shop. >>> >>> Stores follow the money, and the primary way the consumer makes an >>> impact is by withholding the money. >>> >>> Now that we know this system is out there... have people ask for it. >>> Word of mouth. Every time they walk into a store. "Where are the >>> FitLogic clothes?"... "Do you carry FitLogic clothes?" >>> >>> Educate the sales people, who will tell their managers, who will >>> tell >>> their supeervisors, who will talk to the director.... and up and >>> so >>> on. >>> >>> That's off the top of my head. Other ideas? >>> >>> On 3/31/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: >>>> So, Marie, how do we tell THEM how we feel? >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >>>> too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark >>>> Trail" by Louis L'Amour >>>> >>>> On Mar 31, 2006, at 9:39 AM, Marie Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you for that article... very interesting. >>>>> >>>>> Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, >>>>> and >>>>> raise their sales. >>>>> >>>>> Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside >>>>> their >>>>> stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small >>>>> independent >>>>> entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that >>>>> body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains >>>>> you >>>>> could even have different stock for a particular body type in >>>>> different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one >>>>> section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or >>>>> request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This >>>>> wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap >>>>> clothing around between stores. >>>>> >>>>> How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items >>>>> would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand >>>>> loyalty, >>>>> if a line provides better fit. >>>>> >>>>> Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell >>>>> more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. >>>>> >>>>> Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the >>>>> perfect >>>>> fitting jean" in 1992. >>>>> >>>>>> Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store >>>>>> By MICHAEL BARBARO >>>>>> Published: March 31, 2006 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> h-costume mailing list >>>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 18:46:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31Nk7vN029439 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:46:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k31NkK6J019278; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:46:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31Nk41Y036724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31Nk3D5027055; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jay.exetel.com.au (jay.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k31NjwiC026967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 16:46:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from glendarob@exemail.com.au) Received: (qmail 3082 invoked by uid 507); 2 Apr 2006 09:45:56 +1000 Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au (HELO mycomputer) (220.233.88.249) by jay.exetel.com.au with SMTP; 2 Apr 2006 09:45:56 +1000 Message-ID: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:45:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 18:46:23 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F10CC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their autumn collections. Glenda. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 19:54:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320s6j1031123 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:54:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k320sJMS011838; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:54:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320rWwU044190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:53:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320rJVa071337; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:53:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k320rG6x071239 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:53:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.250.91f38ab (16097) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1442f20717; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:53:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <042e01c655a6$780a4970$e100a8c0@compaqub> References: <442D476E.20602@reddawn.net><7fde55ee665d4070cfe708855f643bda@aol.com> <442D6FC2.2060302@reddawn.net> <042e01c655a6$780a4970$e100a8c0@compaqub> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] droolworthy victorian Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:53:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 19:54:22 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F20BB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k320s6j1031123 Status: RO You don't need a horse. This is Action Shooting, not Mounted Shooting.Go for it! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 11:08 AM, E House wrote: > Sigh, if only I had a horse! (And had ridden more recently than 16 or > 17 years ago.) I can shoot and I can sew... > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 20:17:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321HkKA031310 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:17:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k321HxwR019963; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 20:18:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321HiNk046899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321Hhrg086812; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k321HdwO086735 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 18:17:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IX2009MEM9AVR8P@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.63.71]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:17:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:17:34 -0500 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:18:02 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F2647.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I quite agree - I am a very strange shaped person, the upper half of my body can fit in a boys 18-20 fairly well, the lower half needs a ladies 10 short rise 32" inseam (or a Petite sz 10 with extra leg length). I need boy's shirts because they have 4 extra inches in the torso, 3 extra inches across the shoulders, and 2" longer sleeve length. The distance from my hip bone to my natural waist is only 3" - most comercially made jeans have a 5-6" distance. And I won't tell you about my scooped back, protrouding tummy, and extra long torso. BTW I am a 40 yr old 5' 6" woman!!! Once I joined the SCA I found out that I have the skills to create simple dresses made to *MY* measurements. Too bad I can't find anything off-the-rack to fit me.... If anyone can tell me where to find cheap jeans for a men's 48x30 I would apopreciate it. Katheryne From: monica spence The problem is that many stores have a fit model and makes everything to fit that one person or dressform. Where many stores or clothing lines start trying to service many sizes, but when it doesn't fit the image they drop the sizes. For instance, the Limited does not sell men's pants larger than size 36. It seems to me that there is an awfully large market for clothes for those of us who are not "perfect"... Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 1 21:45:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322jDBZ000425 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:45:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k322jQvb017736; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:45:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322j1YN054180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:45:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322isos042222; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:44:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k322ipVP042144 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 19:44:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.249.9ae585b (15703) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57442f3a99326; Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:44:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> References: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 21:44:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:45:29 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F3AC6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k322jDBZ000425 Status: RO An observation that I thought interesting- We live in NJ. It is easy to find inseam lengths for men that are 36 inches. VERY difficult to find 28 or 30 inch inseams. Years ago, we took a vacation to Hawaii. We stopped by the Alamoana Mall's Sears store. Lo and behold- LOTS of 28 inseam men's pants! My husband says it's time to go back! He needs more 28 inseam pants. We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you think? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Glenda Robinson wrote: > You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell > size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my > younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to > end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his > hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn > forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. > > We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping > they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's > clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our > midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, > and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their > autumn collections. > > Glenda. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 01:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3262VFZ003365 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:02:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3262iOC022326; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:02:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3262Gmu069938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3262BAD063897; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32626gp063862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-52-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.52]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k32623ZT013972 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:02:05 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:02:03 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:02:47 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F6904.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm helping a friend to fit an early 16th century Venetian bodice (what's often referred to as the 'Italian ren' style) and I want it to support her bust without a bra so I'm basically working from Robin's worksheets to get an idea of how to do that (though it's obviously somewhat different to suit the different style of bodice). My question is about the point after the lining is fitted and you've now got a shape you can trace to cut a second layer, or even a new bodice. If you're tracing that shape onto a piece of paper (so you don't have to go through the fitting process again next time) do you have to wait a while for the fabric to shrink back into it's normal cold shape or can you trace the pieces as soon as you take it off? I also thought that maybe you need to take it a step further and put it through the wash (after finishing the edges of course) to get it back to it's normal size. I've made this style of bodice for myself but I forgot to trace my final pieces onto a paper pattern to re-use them later so this wasn't an issue. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 01:36:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a82G003812 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:36:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k326aLLh000438; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:36:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a6er071596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:36:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a49a082755; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326a1L2082724 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:36:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFA8E70506; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:31:04 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 22:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c6561f$b5646bb0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k326a1L2082724 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:36:24 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F70E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Phone Sears and ask them to send shorter jeans to your local store. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:45 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere An observation that I thought interesting- We live in NJ. It is easy to find inseam lengths for men that are 36 inches. VERY difficult to find 28 or 30 inch inseams. Years ago, we took a vacation to Hawaii. We stopped by the Alamoana Mall's Sears store. Lo and behold- LOTS of 28 inseam men's pants! My husband says it's time to go back! He needs more 28 inseam pants. We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you think? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Glenda Robinson wrote: > You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell > size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my > younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to > end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his > hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn > forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. > > We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping > they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's > clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our > midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, > and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their > autumn collections. > > Glenda. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 01:38:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cFO2003848 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:38:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k326cSnP006174; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:38:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cHA2071736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cH4I084037; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k326cD1x083942 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:38:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11651 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:10:51 -0600 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 01:10:50 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper In-Reply-To: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 01:38:31 -0500 (EST) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F7164.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > ... My question is about the point after the lining is fitted and > you've now got a shape you can trace to cut a second layer, or even a > new bodice. If you're tracing that shape onto a piece of paper (so you > don't have to go through the fitting process again next time) do you > have to wait a while for the fabric to shrink back into it's normal > cold shape or can you trace the pieces as soon as you take it off? I can't help you there, as I never transfer to paper. I keep the original linen pieces. When I use them as a template, I iron them out and straighten out the grain lines, and match them to the grain lines on the new fabric. I think I generally distrust the ability of paper to capture the nuances of what fabric does; if you're off a little bit when you trace (because of the fabric being a bit warped, stretched whatever) that's what gets preserved on the paper, and you lose the information of grain lines. I scribble all over my templates with a sharpie, labeling pieces, marking waist and hip, etc. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 03:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327Y08Q004643 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:34:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k327YDOT018159; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 03:34:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327XJDw076319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327XFl0014914; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k327X8D7014793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 00:33:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-52-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.52]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k327X6RZ020514 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 17:33:07 +1000 Message-ID: <002b01c65627$afa09d90$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 17:33:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 03:34:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442F7E75.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I can't help you there, as I never transfer to paper. I keep the original > linen pieces. When I use them as a template, I iron them out and > straighten out the grain lines, and match them to the grain lines on the > new fabric. > --Robin Gee, that was fast. But if you're using the pieces that you've fitted as the lining of your final dress then you've just lost your pattern and you've got to start the fitting process again from scratch next time you want to recreate that dress. Re-doing it from scratch makes sense from a medieval point of view when you've got a household/neighbourhood full of women who all know how to sew and how to do this sort of fitting (especially given the cost of paper). But in a modern re-enactor's world where it's often hard to find somebody who knows how to sew & is willing to try this unfamiliar technique it makes sense to have something that is almost right and requires only the sort of minor fitting that you can get a non-sewer or a modern only sewer to do for you while you give them instructions. Or are you suggesting that you keep the original pieces permanently instead of using them as a lining? I'll pass on your ideas on ironing the pieces to straighten out the grain lines. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 09:05:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D5QCk022282 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:05:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32D5d2R008299; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D54kh026392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D4xwo000582; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32D4uHa000510 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.246.9bfbd2d (15886) for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e442fcbee108; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:04:46 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <003401c6561f$b5646bb0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <003401c6561f$b5646bb0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Message-Id: <4dde411f81b0ce2ebfa6538a758ef94b@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:04:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:05:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FCC23.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k32D5QCk022282 Status: RO Thanks. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 2, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Phone Sears and ask them to send shorter jeans to your local store. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:45 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere > > > An observation that I thought interesting- We live in NJ. It is easy > to find inseam lengths for men that are 36 inches. VERY difficult to > find 28 or 30 inch inseams. Years ago, we took a vacation to Hawaii. > We stopped by the Alamoana Mall's Sears store. Lo and behold- LOTS of > 28 inseam men's pants! My husband says it's time to go back! He needs > more 28 inseam pants. > > We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks > inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you > think? > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel > too > fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" > by > Louis L'Amour > > On Apr 1, 2006, at 6:45 PM, Glenda Robinson wrote: > >> You mean that somewhere in the world there's someone that might sell >> size 30 pants as standard? Both my husband and older son (and my >> younger son's heading that way) are this size, and they mostly have to >> end up in 32s with a belt (or in my 16yo's case, size 32 around his >> hips with his underpants showing, but that style can't be worn >> forever!) There are about one pair of size 30s here in a blue moon. >> >> We're heading off to the UK for a month in a week or so, I'm hoping >> they have some there. I've already got to go shopping for warm women's >> clothing (and jeans with a decent range of leg lengths) - Our >> midwinter averages are still 3-4 celcius above the UK Spring averages, >> and the local shops just don't have anything useful at all in their >> autumn collections. >> >> Glenda. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 09:30:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32DUTfP022676 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:30:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32DUhW3016280; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32DUSBW028580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32DURP7014737; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k32DUNbj014612 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCC9WRGAURW8R2 for (sender ); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:30:14 -0700 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLX3SYA3; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:30:06 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 06:29:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20060402.062946.3084.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,12-16 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 4:6:2423904214 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtlAnYYoyFtbdIFJjlW7Jdo= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Netherton lectures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FD203.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Welcome back, Robin! Thanks again for coming to our neck of the woods and presenting a fascinating and inspiring lecture series. :-) One of the ladies in my music group is now working on a Gothic fitted dress for herself and a friend, and hopes to outfit all of us in Musica Draconis, our local women's consort. I'm tickled to pieces to know how to finally correctly construct a sideless surcoat! :D Even for a non-costumer like myself, this series is great! It's wonderful to gain not only construction information but contextual insights into clothing. There was a lot of stuff which never quite made sense before and does now. You're an excellent researcher and presenter--keep up the good work! :-) Arlys in Dragon's Mist _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKQUl023323 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32EKdRQ000799; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:20:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKKjT032140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:20:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKIeI043629; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EKFF7043606 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1437443nzo for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YXGW/Gz3g7rk2cijLvPhv0OsHSt0HVPjX8hhV33hCvBMCLVA0UXvpoFpJlKAo6bPa81rpMrq8V1Q6OLJMQSEe/UZBmD6yl7x/XFK/X9Vbyxp0I4SczQArhei+fEblbJq2+QpDEgwvM2bwUOHPAWXIqK9FqLVtJNm725jr3lAUQs= Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr722288pym; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604020720t4c744c66w459174469ffae03c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:20:15 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k32EKFF7043606 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regency dress closures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:20:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FDDB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO An early 19th c. simple day dress just finished on ebay which shows the bodice lining and the overlayer with drawstring waist, might shed some light on dress closures. No visible hooks or anything. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8400391523&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:39:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdmSD023600 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32Ee1c7007438; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:40:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdZPh033866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdYXi055853; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EdVvn055767 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AA9A663D for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:39:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <442FE237.80507@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 09:39:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting - gotta start somewhere References: <0e6701c655e6$624ab4e0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE241.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > > We think that many of the Oriental men are short, so Sears stocks > inseams that they can actually SELL to their clients. WHat do you think? > I think there are lots of size 28 people where you live and not in Hawaii. Thus, that size is always sold out. At least that's how it works when I need pants. We should definitely go to Hawaii to confirm this theory though. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:49:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32En6Kd023719 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:49:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32EnJdB011103; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:49:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32En3la034525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:49:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32En1GN061657; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EmwIV061589 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k32EdoA05764 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:39:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000601c65665$9849d920$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:56:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:49:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE46F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For my ItalianRen bodices, I just made them extra snug, and they held me up just fine (and I'm a BIG girl, that way). I've never used a fragile fabric, though (usually cotton or linen, as they were intended for summer/camping use), and always did a good, sturdy interlining, often with a heavy-weight linen. On my linen gowns, I did lace into them, wait for the fabric to warm up, and then pull them snug, but that was about it.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper > Hi everyone, > I'm helping a friend to fit an early 16th century Venetian bodice (what's > often referred to as the 'Italian ren' style) and I want it to support her > bust without a bra so I'm basically working from Robin's worksheets to get > an idea of how to do that (though it's obviously somewhat different to suit > the different style of bodice). My question is about the point after the > lining is fitted and you've now got a shape you can trace to cut a second > layer, or even a new bodice. If you're tracing that shape onto a piece of > paper (so you don't have to go through the fitting process again next time) > do you have to wait a while for the fabric to shrink back into it's normal > cold shape or can you trace the pieces as soon as you take it off? I also > thought that maybe you need to take it a step further and put it through the > wash (after finishing the edges of course) to get it back to it's normal > size. > I've made this style of bodice for myself but I forgot to trace my final > pieces onto a paper pattern to re-use them later so this wasn't an issue. > thanks > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 10:51:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EpI2c023759 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:51:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32EpW4p002829; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EpGPa034640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32EpGfo063072; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51302.mail.yahoo.com (web51302.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k32EpD1x062971 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 7800 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2006 14:51:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xyq2EB/HiOItA0w1qupk1tP8wbtrADCallfEogn/1xyOsFiktHUozVf9zaIhKpSzFwtI4vRUF/wLGaO25bedUyWDNDbi4qTx6BVKB7w+z+hWWqwk46fne3lypu6G2xLHPxBfDM/N+viSW+jYGjK6Ow8XCsFWa/+MKpG+TIvo25w= ; Message-ID: <20060402145106.7798.qmail@web51302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.74] by web51302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 07:51:06 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 07:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency dress closures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3586f5070604020720t4c744c66w459174469ffae03c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 10:51:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE4F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks, Katy, That is a neat dress. Ann in CT --- Katy Bishop wrote: > An early 19th c. simple day dress just finished on > ebay which shows the bodice lining and the overlayer > with drawstring waist, might shed some light on dress > closures. No visible hooks or anything. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8400391523&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > > Katy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 11:08:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8sMH023991 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:08:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32F97IZ019036; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8p6J036250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8n6k073937; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32F8j0u073894 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k32ExbA09220 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:59:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002401c65668$5c0d4980$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002b01c65627$afa09d90$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 09:16:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:09:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 442FE913.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's what I did with my "shell" pieces (made from heavy-weight linen) from a workshop Robin held a few years back....Sort of a compromise between doing-it-from-scratch and having an actual pattern. Got the notes scribbled on it, etc. Unfortunately, I put it "somewhere safe" when I moved, and now it's gone AWOL....grrrrrr..... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper > > Or are you suggesting that you keep the original pieces permanently instead > of using them as a lining? > I'll pass on your ideas on ironing the pieces to straighten out the grain > lines. > thanks > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 12:47:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32GlD5o025826 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:47:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32GlPee021771; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Gl1Qn047046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32GkvOF037904; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Gkqd6037829 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16149 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:19:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:19:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper In-Reply-To: <002b01c65627$afa09d90$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430001E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wrote: > > I can't help you there, as I never transfer to paper. I keep the original > > linen pieces. When I use them as a template, I iron them out and > > straighten out the grain lines, and match them to the grain lines on the > > new fabric. Elizabeth replied: > But if you're using the pieces that you've fitted as the lining of > your final dress then you've just lost your pattern and you've got to > start the fitting process again from scratch next time you want to > recreate that dress. If I intend to make only one dress for a person, I cut and fit the lining, and it goes into the dress, and that's that. If I intend to make more than one dress, I fit a linen template using the same sort of fabric as the lining. I fit with panels that go about to mid-thigh (long enough to fit all the necessary bits, and to mark the angle of flare on the pieces for purposes of cutting out full-length ones later). I use these then as a guide to cutting a full-length lining, which I can then assemble and tweak, and in turn use that to cut the outer fabric. Note that the template is not a pattern -- it's a starting point, and you have to check (and if necessary adjust) the fit on everything you cut based on it. You can use a full dress as a starting point as well, though it's not as convenient. > Re-doing it from scratch makes sense from a medieval point of view > when you've got a household/neighbourhood full of women who all know > how to sew and how to do this sort of fitting (especially given the > cost of paper). But in a modern re-enactor's world where it's often > hard to find somebody who knows how to sew & is willing to try this > unfamiliar technique it makes sense to have something that is almost > right and requires only the sort of minor fitting that you can get a > non-sewer or a modern only sewer to do for you while you give them > instructions. Yes, this is one of many differences between our situation and that of the medieval woman. If this was simply "the way clothes were made," it would have been a standard approach that everyone who sewed had experience with. A modern re-enactor learns many techniques for different styles/periods -- but the medieval person lived in one place and time and would learn only the methods that were common at that place and time. When you do it a lot, you get really quite good at it. When I'm not teaching, I can do a fitting pretty quickly, because I can make a lot of the fitting decisions by sight and feel, skipping some of the preliminary steps that I have to teach to someone who is not so experienced. (Think of the stories of Korean or Vietnamese tailors who can look at you when you walk in the shop, and then produce a suit that fits you a week later.) Consider also: Most medieval women would not have had more than one fitted gown, so there would not be the issue of needing to reproduce the dress many times. For a second dress or a replacement, you would use your old one as your model. If you had changed size or shape, you could probably guess at the adjustment based on what you had originally. Or (say in the case of a growing girl who's just developed a new figure) you could try on dresses belonging to sisters, cousins, or friends till you found one close to your size, and adjust that as necessary. In other words, the use of the template is a modern solution to a modern problem of "I want lots of these dresses." It preserves most of the benefits of on-the-body fitting without turning it into a modern paper-pattern approach. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 13:00:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H07HM026214 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:00:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32H0KEI026401; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:00:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H00fR049622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32GxwQm049224; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Gxsdk049126 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 10:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16285 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:32:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:32:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Netherton lectures In-Reply-To: <20060402.062946.3084.3.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44300324.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Welcome back, Robin! Thanks again for coming to our neck of the woods > and presenting a fascinating and inspiring lecture series. :-) I have to say the Portland area produced an incredible audience. There was a lot of energy and excitement in that room, and I had a blast :-) > Even for a non-costumer like myself... You've been on h-cost so long, it astonished me when you told me you don't sew. > this series is great! It's wonderful to gain not only construction > information but contextual insights into clothing. There was a lot of > stuff which never quite made sense before and does now. You're an > excellent researcher and presenter--keep up the good work! :-) It should be obvious by now that my lectures are really all just "research methods" classes in disguise. Talking about sewing the clothing is a very minor part of them -- it's all about looking at art, documents, artifacts, etc. to determine social context, aesthetic sensibility, and development of a style. The mechanics are only one small part of that understanding. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 13:09:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9mpA026423 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:09:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32H9xoO029715; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:10:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9kHm050413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9jQV055872; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32H9fcX055756 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.20e.149446f6 (2612) for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <20e.149446f6.31615f41@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:09:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] droolworthy victorian To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:10:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44300567.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 3/31/2006 1:17:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pasovasz@aol.com writes: My husband can shoot off his back. *********************************** If he does that, where will you put the saddle??? Badda bing! sorry....I couldn't resist. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 14:40:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32IeImD027784 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:40:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32IeVPG031923; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 14:40:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Ie92P059517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Ie7EB015523; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Ie3wF015490 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lherr@rightwaybusiness.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.111.172.120]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX300FTBYIMEC73@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:40:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:39:58 -0700 From: Lorraine Herr To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <44301A7E.9080605@rightwaybusiness.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) Subject: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44301A9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Robin and all, The most recent bits about creating linen "template" pieces is extremely helpful. I am the lady Arlys referred to (digest 310, message 11) who is making all those GFDs..... I recently wrote you and Tasha personally with some fit questions which your most recent post here has answered beautifully. Thank you! And may I echo Arlys's remarks regarding your lecture last weekend! It was truly inspiring! (Enough to inspire 7 GFDs on assorted body shapes and sizes- ;-) ) The only thing I still need some advice on is the shape of the front and rear gores. There seems to be some issues with bias to bias seams and the possibility of these stretching. If anyone has any thoughts on this matter, I would be grateful to hear them BEFORE I get too far on all 7 of these GFDs. Obviously, each dress will have its own unique shape of gores, panels, etc., but I am curious as to whether the center front and rear gores are symmetrical or "right angle" shaped. Thanks! Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 15:59:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32Jx20D000621 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:59:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k32JxEVo030610; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:59:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32JwYUd065956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:58:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32JwUO2067137; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k32JwQot067083 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17905; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:31:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:31:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. In-Reply-To: <44301A7E.9080605@rightwaybusiness.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44302D12.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Lorraine Herr wrote: > I recently wrote you and Tasha personally with some fit questions > which your most recent post here has answered beautifully ... Sorry I haven't caught up on all my personal e-mail -- I'm way snowed under. Quick notes to the list are easy to knock off, but your gores question required a longer answer, so I hadn't gotten to it yet. But since you have asked again on the list, I'll answer on the list, picking up parts of your earlier message so I get it all. > The only thing I still need some advice on is the shape of the front > and rear gores. There seems to be some issues with bias to bias seams > and the possibility of these stretching. OK. First off, it seems that a lot of people have gotten the idea that bias should ideally be placed next to straight grain. Some of this has no doubt come from some comments made in various costume books about the Greenland gowns, for example in the Museum of London book, which refers to "some seams on the straight grain of the fabric and others on a partial bias." It adds, "The justaposition of bias and straight edges would give an elegant movement to the garment in wear." There are several problems with using this as the basis of a "bias to straight" rule. To begin with, it's not clear from the statement that the author means bias meets straight on a single seam -- it sounds more like the author is saying some seams are straight/straight and some are on a slight slant ("partial bias") -- which makes sense given that the narrowness of the panels in this dress mean that the slant is only about 15 degrees -- nowhere near true "bias." However, it is true that at least some of the seams in this dress are slant-to-stright, for the simple mathematical fact that of the 32 edges that meet in the 16 seams, 20 are on the straight and 12 are on a slant. So not all of the seams can be evenly matched. This does not mean, however, that it's desirable to mix edges when you don't have to. The third problem, of course, is that this is a dress from Greenland, and anyone who's heard me talk about this knows that it doesn't have a whole lot of relevance for the construction of the GFD. So, let's drop the unsupported assumption that "medieval people preferred to put bias against grain." As far as I'm concerned, there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with putting bias to bias in the 14th and 15th centuries. (This probably changed by the 16th c. and different needs involved in skirt construction.) In fact I prefer to match grain angles, because I want the two sides of the seam to drape equally. When you put slant against straight, you run the risk of the slanted side sagging against the seam -- very unattractive. And in the GFD, you can choose to place those stretchable seams where you want the dress to mold over curves -- say, over the sides of the waist and hips. Putting a straight grain there prevents the fabric from stretching and adapting -- remember what I said in the lecture about using stretch as a tool and not trying to prevent it. Sure, some of the hem will sag. So let the dress hang overnight and try it on, and mark the hem. And when you do, on your first pass, mark the saggy bits a little long. Then cut it off and check it, and trim more only if you need. Sometimes the weight of the fabric before the hem is cut stretches the length out a bit, and you don't want it to spring back too far once you've cut off the excess. > I am curious as to whether the center front and rear gores are > symmetrical or "right angle" shaped. Remember that you want two gores in the center front, and two in the center back. Add the gore to the panel, and then treat the resulting piece as one large flared panel, as though the seam that attaches gore-to-panel is now invisible. This leaves a single long seam down the center front; you'll be putting eyelets down that front center, and some of those eyelets will fall in the gore portion. Your side gores can be singles or pairs. If you happen to create your gores by folding a piece vertically and cutting a single diagonal, you'll get one double-size isoceles triangle that's on the fold, and two right triangles that are the remaining pieces. You can use the right triangles as the center front gores and the isoceles triangle as a side gore. Then repeat to create the two back gores and the larger single gore for the other side. Going back to your earlier note to me for anything I've missed so far (I'm hoping you won't mind if I repeat this in public even though it came in a private e-mail!): > Re: the gores. Looking at some of the line drawings on some of the web > sites, it looks as if the body pattern pieces flare out at the side > seams to begin to produce the beautiful flared skirt. So, > * Is there a gore that is INSET into that side seam in addition to > the flared out front and back panels? In my case, typically the gore is part of what creates that flared piece. You can also flare the body piece if you like, but I like to put the straight grain of the gore against the straight of the body panel, in essence extending the fabric and maintaining the grain structure across the seam. But I've done it lots of ways. In any case, the flare typically starts in the body panel and shoots right off the edge of that panel, which is where the gore takes over to supply more width to the piece. And I think I've answered the rest of your questions already. Hope this helps, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 20:41:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330fi1o006180 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:41:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k330fvtA029697; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330fQXP094011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330fDt1045850; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330f43A045684 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060403004057.DRVQ9053.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:40:57 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.186.105]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060403004057.XDCW18193.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:40:57 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.3.4/299]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:41:03 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c656b7$493f58d0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 12:41:03 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:42:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44306F55.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > So, let's drop the unsupported assumption that "medieval people preferred > to put bias against grain." As far as I'm concerned, there's ABSOLUTELY > NOTHING WRONG with putting bias to bias in the 14th and 15th centuries. Wasn't the golden gown made from four shaped pieces? The side seams at least were cut on a slope. While it too is from rather far north in Europe it does show there was at least one gown that was cut with the sides on angles. Regardless of how fitted it was, there will still be the same stretching on those skirt seams. > (This probably changed by the 16th c. and different needs involved in > skirt construction.) While there are other different needs for tairloring in general, none of the skirts in PoF or the Alcega book bother about straight to bias. The only instances where this happens seems to be in shirt construction and the farthingale pattern of Alcega. In the shirt patterns I can see why it's helpful. Difficult to explain though;) Basically helpful in cutting without waste and getting an even hem. What you do see is a lot of piecing straight to straight to extend pieces (and then smaller pieces cut from whatever fabric is there) but the skirt shapes are generally cut on a slant at the sides so you get slant to slant in the side seams. Straight to straight usually in the back seams (or the back is cut on the fold etc.) I've never had a problem with the stretching of those seams. If I have a train it's often not noticeable if the seams stretch a bit and if I've got a skirt that clears the ground then I will leave it to hang for a while and clip it to shape after. Usually I have fabrics that are woven firmly enough so as not to worry. Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this has a lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you have stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 31/03/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 20:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330wj8x007600 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:58:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k330wwQm002988; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:59:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330whIG097012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330wgKd056943; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:58:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k330wdhb056751 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:58:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEC23B624 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:58:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:59:04 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44307352.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started to look alike to me. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 21:06:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316eFE008911 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:06:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3316riB005670; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316aci098145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316Z4v062364; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3316SAJ062281 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:06:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:06:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002f01c656b7$493f58d0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:06:23 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 01:06:28.0544 (UTC) FILETIME=[D645C400:01C656BA] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:06:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430752D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a hoop that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from the legs when walking. Pretty cool. A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. Kelly > Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this has > a > lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you > have > stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 21:17:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HbGO009465 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:17:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k331HoPR009879; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:17:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HUeO099114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HTDt068753; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331HRCL068734 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so902287wra for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RPi4753Z81uOpR3igabC4lGtrJPdxIDWTPtUzcJ3s2zWo+TPMfqTRm+8V/VZsHzCmwEy426rGsl0dYX7MUJYzRlqJ/aDHquB9InxB8QufG+QlIaBFd/1t5628PdANiNrDAm9jKMOiAGgO50S8osrhBXmQDiFmrL4gSpiqsUFPnM= Received: by 10.54.109.6 with SMTP id h6mr2432003wrc; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:17:27 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k331HRCL068734 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 443077BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not enough detail to know for sure. Did you scan this? If so could you scan a very small section at a high res (like 200-250) so that we could see the path the the thread(s) take. I could tell if I know how the threads are moving. Onaree On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 22:20:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332KEab011278 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:20:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k332KRBw032277; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:20:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332K5ab005392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332K20K008171; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k332JwGt008101 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5244020474; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 02:15:00 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:19:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c656c5$1a579010$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k332JwGt008101 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430866B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean "creates a hoop"? How? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a hoop that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from the legs when walking. Pretty cool. A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. Kelly > Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this > has > a > lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you > have > stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. > > michaela de bruce > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 23:27:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333RlsZ012265 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:27:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k333S0ON023995; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333RFL0012313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333RBRP049996; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k331VQsU077344 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 19:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4CDA684C for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:31:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44307B09.8070906@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:31:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lace question References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44309640.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Onaree Berard wrote: > Not enough detail to know for sure. > > Did you scan this? > > If so could you scan a very small section at a high res (like 200-250) > so that we could see the path the the thread(s) take. > > I could tell if I know how the threads are moving. > It's a photo. There's a 1600x1200 (450k) image at www.reddawn.net/temp/biglace.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 23:36:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aRIY012374 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:36:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k333aeTb027351; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:36:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aSoU013140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aR8M055899; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.arcomputers.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333aL3E055805 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D39E537FD3 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:36:20 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: lace question Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44309848.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Possibly Milanese http://www.gulliver-pp.com/pages/milanese-pix.htm or Irish crochet http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/Museum/Crochetpg.html http://lacismuseum.org/exhibit/Irish%20Crochet%20Lace.pdf http://www.mendes.co.uk/19thc.lace.html#IRISH%20%20CROCHET De -----Original Message----- On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 2 23:54:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sYRA012593 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:54:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k333sltl001659; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sSMo014755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sQJE067063; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k333sNJX067042 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so916009wra for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:54:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Thk3qK66Bs3vJMhLwx/lM0J1358bqGFFiA47b9FToEKqGs2zAb8QRCKIgsVlvTXPfoxIYxjDaeOe5ub+EElMOF2Wt7ZdzGL504T3PydG8ljIGA5gsMD/CiudtT7um7RwbpcifRGHU0kob87N8EE9nwJd18FtKKL4I+PWR0mZyDw= Received: by 10.54.150.3 with SMTP id x3mr2527577wrd; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 20:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:54:22 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k333sNJX067042 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:54:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44309C87.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not irish crochet, looks like some form crochet or possibly bobbin lace. The type of ground and tallys are commonly seen in bobbin lace, but crochet has been used to copy every type of lace known so that wouldn't rule out crochet. I'm favouring crochet as it looks like round motifs joined together, and the tally's (diamond shaped leaves) don't look woven as you would see in bobbin lace. They look more like they were done in two rounds. But the 'starburst' centres, for lack of a better term, look strange and I can't figure out how they were done. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Usually I can at least figure out what type of technique. Onaree On 4/2/06, otsisto wrote: > Possibly Milanese > http://www.gulliver-pp.com/pages/milanese-pix.htm > or > Irish crochet > http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/Museum/Crochetpg.html > http://lacismuseum.org/exhibit/Irish%20Crochet%20Lace.pdf > http://www.mendes.co.uk/19thc.lace.html#IRISH%20%20CROCHET > > De > > -----Original Message----- > On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > > to look alike to me. :( > > > > > > > > Dawn -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 01:39:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k335dJFR014063 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:39:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k335dWMn003013; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 01:39:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k335d5a5025843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k335d2nY035277; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k335cxxo035221 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 23:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDBPGTAXQNHRA for (sender ); Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:38:25 -0700 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LLZS6S3N; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 22:37:45 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 22:26:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Netherton lectures Message-ID: <20060402.223727.1528.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-7,10-24 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1547215089 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkq03jhAuPlt8Ixnn9pKLCU= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 01:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430B514.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > You've been on h-cost so long, it astonished me when you told me you > don't sew. I made the mistake of being a female and a Laurel (music stuff). Getting constantly bombarded with costuming questions made me determined to learn as much about it as possible without sewing which I don't have time for--see aforementioned music stuff. ;) The historian and researcher in me wants to know and understand both conceptual and practical approaches. I've learned a lot from a number of Ithra classes and tons of good info from this list. :-) > It should be obvious by now that my lectures are really all just > "research > methods" classes in disguise. Talking about sewing the clothing is a > very > minor part of them -- it's all about looking at art, documents, > artifacts, > etc. to determine social context, aesthetic sensibility, and > development > of a style. The mechanics are only one small part of that > understanding. You're singing my song, Sister! :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 06:32:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AW8xF001357 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33AWLZE003835; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AVri0053042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AVnl0006294; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33AVjIu006231 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 03:31:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:31:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c656c5$1a579010$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:31:35 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 10:31:41.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBFE7150:01C65709] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:32:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4430F9B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The Spanish farthingale is similar in that it balances, but uses a series of rectangles that you adjust to the wearer. In the 19thC, the full fabric crinolines were often drafted with shaped pieces. By putting the piece with more bias to the one with less, the straighter piece pulls the hoop backwards, balancing it. Did I make better sense this time? There are days when language escapes me! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean "creates a hoop"? How? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of kelly grant > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:06 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > > > Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a hoop > that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from the legs > when walking. Pretty cool. > > A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the > 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. > > Kelly > >> Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this >> has >> a >> lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you >> have >> stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. >> >> michaela de bruce >> http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 07:34:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BYeLE016756 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:34:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33BYraK024621; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BYH7j069140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BYB04047026; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33BY6tg046921 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 04:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: <44310835.6030104@msn.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:34:13 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2006 11:34:00.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[80875B20:01C65712] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Turcopoliers-what they wore X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4431085D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi all, I have been asked to do some research on what Turcopoliers wore in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have gone through Worldcat, and of course nothing comes up about them directly. I am sure I will have to start in some general arms/armour book and was wondering if anyone on the list could point me to a good one. Turcopoliers were supposedly a mixed breed Greek/Turk or Saracen who sometimes fought for the crusaders. When I looke in the OED to find out what they were, I was surprised to find that the term only went back as far as the 15th century...not sure how that could be, but. Here is the the link to that. http://tinyurl.com/gxjls Thanks for any pointers! Sg* * _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 08:08:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8nUP019393 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:08:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33C92p6005071; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:09:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8VXA079122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8Udb070506; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33C8O9u070464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-17-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.17]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k33C8MtM013622 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:08:23 +1000 Message-ID: <00b101c65717$4dc3cde0$11d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c6561a$f7f9a7b0$34ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> <000601c65665$9849d920$23bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 22:08:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:09:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4431105E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD related question - tracing final pieces onto paper > For my ItalianRen bodices, I just made them extra snug, and they held me > up > just fine (and I'm a BIG girl, that way). I've never used a fragile > fabric, > though (usually cotton or linen, as they were intended for summer/camping > use), and always did a good, sturdy interlining, often with a heavy-weight > linen. On my linen gowns, I did lace into them, wait for the fabric to > warm > up, and then pull them snug, but that was about it.... > --Sue Well that's roughly what we're doing tomorrow night (at our regular meeting) I'm starting from a commercial pattern cutting an inch outside the lines and then fitting it. But I thought that as I'm doing this on somebody else I might try out Robin's techniques given that they work so well in a similar situation (i.e. making an unboned dress that supports the bust) and that this style evolved out of the style Robin is recreating. I'm also interested in maybe one day making a GFD for myself so if I can experiment with the style that my friend wants I'm happy to get the experience so I can find out how Robin's techniques work. In reality making your bodices 'extra snug' is not that dissimilar to Robin's basic concept, stopping your boobs from falling down by making the bodice tight below the bust, and that's roughly what I'm trying to achieve at this fitting session. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 08:19:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CJfDj019545 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:19:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33CJtIP008832; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:19:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CIPNw079887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CIOB6076948; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CIMOV076920 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 9so1782020nzo for ; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QdWHH9Bd+S3iRsqEZxUo1/EH0rC3PmHKXTPtsyxavRHzQm1zVhvZGVLY95uBtu12HdSopUFU0ng3c7FyLKR2rAGDoZtL9kIK5qaUhzdIeg+17a4MliHIBETJBmjWH3U7IOieO2HCesxnZNT/5Jd6jUZCPd0K23piIg1o/Yrzldw= Received: by 10.35.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr1079641pyi; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 05:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604030518h49cff448y9808efd2d4cd987a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:18:22 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question In-Reply-To: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k33CIMOV076920 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:19:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 443112EB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It looks like a rayon chemical lace, where the embroidery is done on cloth then the cloth is eaten away by chemicals leaving the embroidered lace pattern. Chemical lace techniques achieved very good imitations of handmade lace styles in the 19th century. I can't place what type of lace this style is trying to replicate, if any, but the feel is late 19th early 20th century to me, with a crochet or tatted feel. One of my favorite lace identification books is Guide to lace and Linens by Elizabeth M. Kurella, isbn 0-930625-89-7 (1989). It is very well organized, with lots of pictures, and has sections on stitches, parts of lace and names. And also anything by Pat Earnshaw. Katy On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 08:45:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Cjo2p020006 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:45:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33Ck3ND018017; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:46:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Ciu7H082109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33CimKd095043; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Cij11095008 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.144.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.144]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FQOQF-0005Mz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:44:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: lace question Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:50:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4431190B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO To me it looks like very elaborate bobbin lace. Those "starburst" centers are called, in my books, "spiders." I have a lace insert saved from one of my aunt's blouses that is this complex. I admit the leaves look denser than bobbin-lace leaves I've seen generally, but the work itself is very dense and the thread seems to lend itself to a dense look. As for period, I wouldn't hazard a guess. Bjarne would be the best authority on this question, I think. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Apr 2, 2006, at 11:54 PM, Onaree Berard wrote: > Not irish crochet, looks like some form crochet or possibly bobbin > lace. The type of ground and tallys are commonly seen in bobbin lace, > but crochet has been used to copy every type of lace known so that > wouldn't rule out crochet. > > I'm favouring crochet as it looks like round motifs joined together, > and the tally's (diamond shaped leaves) don't look woven as you would > see in bobbin lace. They look more like they were done in two rounds. > > But the 'starburst' centres, for lack of a better term, look strange > and I can't figure out how they were done. > > Sorry I couldn't be more help. Usually I can at least figure out what > type of technique. > > Onaree > > > On 4/2/06, otsisto wrote: >> Possibly Milanese >> http://www.gulliver-pp.com/pages/milanese-pix.htm >> or >> Irish crochet >> http://www.irishlacemuseum.com/Museum/Crochetpg.html >> http://lacismuseum.org/exhibit/Irish%20Crochet%20Lace.pdf >> http://www.mendes.co.uk/19thc.lace.html#IRISH%20%20CROCHET >> >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> On 4/2/06, Dawn wrote: >>> Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? >>> >>> www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg >>> >>> >>> I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures >>> started >>> to look alike to me. :( >>> >>> >>> >>> Dawn > -- > Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 09:48:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33DmY2V020905 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:48:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33Dmm8g012120; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:48:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33Dlpxk091838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33DlkHY045263; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33DlfHs045147 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5546.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.70]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 598D6FAC032 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:47:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c65725$4411c6e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:48:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 443127C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, I tryed several times but the picture wont upload on my monitor. Tryed this morning, and now several hours later, no luck, so i cant be of any help! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] lace question > Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? > > www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg > > > I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started > to look alike to me. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:05:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K5A2K028826 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:05:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33K5NNn014078; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:05:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K4tCw049909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K4hAi004802; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33K4c4f004570 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2ea.4d9a462 (15700) for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-R05 (mblk-r05.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.196]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d5444317fca220; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82570F1904FA6-1318-B362@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.196) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:04:26 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.196 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44318003.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO not truely sure the center looks like crochet but the outer edge looks like a tatted picot edge. And I think I have been told neither are SCA time frame. But it is very pretty theresa -----Original Message----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 19:59:04 -0500 Subject: [h-cost] lace question Can anyone tell me what kind of lace this is? www.reddawn.net/temp/lace.jpg I looked in my book on the history of lace, but all the pictures started to look alike to me. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:18:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KIwA3029170 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:18:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33KJBps027600; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:19:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33HCJHM023346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33HCHsr037396; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33HC9La035963 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter67.comcast.net ([204.127.205.167]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006040317104401400c6100e>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:10:44 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter67.comcast.net; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:10:43 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turcopoliers-what they wore Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:10:43 +0000 Message-Id: <040320061710.6997.443157130006EEE500001B5522070215739C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4431833F.010 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Sorry, Sg, I went through all of my books but could not find anything except for what I have mentioned in my previous message. I'll keep looking though. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > Hi all, I have been asked to do some research on what Turcopoliers wore > in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have gone through Worldcat, and of > course nothing comes up about them directly. I am sure I will have to > start in some general arms/armour book and was wondering if anyone on > the list could point me to a good one. > > Turcopoliers were supposedly a mixed breed Greek/Turk or Saracen who > sometimes fought for the crusaders. When I looke in the OED to find out > what they were, I was surprised to find that the term only went back as > far as the 15th century...not sure how that could be, but. Here is the > the link to that. > > http://tinyurl.com/gxjls > > Thanks for any pointers! > > Sg* > * > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:18:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KIwA5029170 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:18:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33KJBpu027600; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:19:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33H3lmK022264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33H3YXW029704; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33H3UZd028944 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter67.comcast.net ([204.127.205.167]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006040317025001300etq9he>; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 17:02:50 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter67.comcast.net; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:02:49 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turcopoliers-what they wore Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 17:02:49 +0000 Message-Id: <040320061702.23622.4431553900067C4500005C4622070215739C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4431833F.010 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Sg, I did a Google and found that the Turcopoliers were mounted archers who assisted the Crusaders during the 11th and 12th centuries. Let me see if I can find anything in my books on the Crusades. I have quite a few books on arms and armour. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > Hi all, I have been asked to do some research on what Turcopoliers wore > in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have gone through Worldcat, and of > course nothing comes up about them directly. I am sure I will have to > start in some general arms/armour book and was wondering if anyone on > the list could point me to a good one. > > Turcopoliers were supposedly a mixed breed Greek/Turk or Saracen who > sometimes fought for the crusaders. When I looke in the OED to find out > what they were, I was surprised to find that the term only went back as > far as the 15th century...not sure how that could be, but. Here is the > the link to that. > > http://tinyurl.com/gxjls > > Thanks for any pointers! > > Sg* > * > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 16:31:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KVVKU029411 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:31:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33KVjX0007071; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:31:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KUnTv054371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KUlH1031516; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33KUhfG031371 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C411A6871 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 15:30:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44318618.2090100@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:31:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lace question References: <44307358.6050909@reddawn.net> <8C82570F1904FA6-1318-B362@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C82570F1904FA6-1318-B362@MBLK-R05.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:31:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44318631.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > not truely sure the center looks like crochet but the outer edge looks > like a tatted picot edge. And I think I have been told neither are SCA > time frame. But it is very pretty theresa > The jury seems be be out for this one. I was hoping to find out what it was before I put it on an 18th century shirt. I know it's probably not right for that timeframe, but it *is* pretty, as you say, and it was practically free as a remnant. Thanks to everyone who took a stab at it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 18:46:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkxkT032544 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33Ml9T3015235; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:47:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkfqW076055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:46:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkXdI060464; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:46:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k33MkTat060397 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5546.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.70]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E8AF0FAC025 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c65770$7485fe90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 00:46:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4431A5ED.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, These are rather interresting: http://tinyurl.com/makg8 Notice the tape at the waist inside, and also the small triangular piece in the linning that holds the bulged out front. Excatly that type of stays i am going to make soon! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 3 21:46:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341kJX1005859 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k341kWfb010639; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 21:46:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341jvkV099296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341jgsk003622; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k341jdMX003553 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 19:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE9910AB01DA; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 01:40:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c65789$7b06b110$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Do you have a picture/illustration? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. The Spanish farthingale is similar in that it balances, but uses a series of rectangles that you adjust to the wearer. In the 19thC, the full fabric crinolines were often drafted with shaped pieces. By putting the piece with more bias to the one with less, the straighter piece pulls the hoop backwards, balancing it. Did I make better sense this time? There are days when language escapes me! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:19 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > Please excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean "creates a hoop"? > How? Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of kelly grant > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:06 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: GFD fittings, etc. > > > Actually, by putting bias to straight in the mid 19thC they created a > hoop that would balance itself, and a skirt that would flow away from > the legs when walking. Pretty cool. > > A lot of our modern clothing construction method were developed in the > 19thC. Some seriously inovative cutting to upholster the body. > > Kelly > >> Later 19thC skirts through often go straight to slant. I suspect this >> has a >> lot to do with aesthetic appeal as you can see it looks neater when you >> have >> stripes;) There is a perfect example of it in PoF 2 of the early 1870s. >> >> michaela de bruce >> http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 05:10:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k349Ab8T018007 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 05:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k349Ap1s030400; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 05:10:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k349AEHK054548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k349A48p008488; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3499wxF008406 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 03:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6BC15DE00CE; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 09:05:00 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 02:10:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c657c7$8d98d630$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3499wxF008406 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 04 Apr 2006 05:10:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4432381B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO When I asked about it a couple of years ago, the cost was about $60. Which isn't bad for custom jeans. I think you can just call Levi Strauss in San Francisco. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:00 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting Sharon, That is great news! How do we go about fitting ourselves for the "MANY more sizes"? Who do we contact? Any idea of the cost? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 1, 2006, at 3:39 AM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > A friend of mine works at Levi and says they have MANY more sizes > available, which you can try, and then they will tweak the closest fit > for you and keep > the info, so that whenever you want another pair, you just phone and > have > them sent. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Marie Stewart > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:30 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting > > > Yeup... and I thought seriously about trying a pair... but in the end > found another maker of jeans that fit - sigh - well enough, although > I am always > wanting the denim to be of a heavier weight. > > On 3/31/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >> Mari, do you know of the custom fit jeans available from Levis? >> Sharon >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >> [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] >> On Behalf Of Marie Stewart >> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 6:39 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Clothes fitting >> >> >> Thank you for that article... very interesting. >> >> Now what the retailers are missing is the opportunity to expand, and >> raise their sales. >> >> Imagine... A large chain adopts the Fitlogic system. Inside their >> stores, they create separate boutiques, or even a small independent >> entity. One for each body type. Stock the items that flatter that >> body type the most in their respective sections. In larger chains >> you could even have different stock for a particular body type in >> different stores. If a customer finds something they like in one >> section, but it is not their body type, allow them to order (or >> request from another store) that item in the fit they want. This >> wouldn't be anything revolutionary, major chains already swap >> clothing around between stores. >> >> How many women would love to have a store that they knew the items >> would be a better fit. You see it already, women have brand loyalty, >> if a line provides better fit. >> >> Oooooh, just think about it... stores might actually have to sell >> more items on style and quality if they took out the fit roulette. >> >> Mari - still irked that Banana Republic stopped making "the perfect >> fitting jean" in 1992. >> >>> Clothes That Fit the Woman, Not the Store >>> By MICHAEL BARBARO >>> Published: March 31, 2006 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 10:51:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34EpSHB001240 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:51:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k34Epgra001729; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:51:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34Ep6nc001268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34Eoucv052237; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34Eoqqb052061 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2f3.2c488c2 (16930) for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:50:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2f3.2c488c2.3163e1c0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:50:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hoops, was GFD fittings, etc. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 04 Apr 2006 10:51:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443287FE.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/3/2006 9:47:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: In the 19thC, the full fabric crinolines were often drafted with shaped pieces. By putting the piece with more bias to the one with less, the straighter piece pulls the hoop backwards, balancing it. ********************** Only in the mid 1860s to the end of the era before it goes into bustle. The effect of cutting a gore with the front edge on the straight and the back on some kind of bias is to push the fullness to the back because the straight will fall vertically and the bias will give way. [You see this construction, w/out hoops of course, in 1890s and 1900s fashion skirts as well....the effect pushing the fullness to the back] But it was also achieved with just a cage....by adding extra vertical tapes at strategic places in the back part of the cage crinoline. And cage or petticoat, these shaped hoops almost always used a pad at the back to keep them balanced. Remember the early hoops were used to relieve the wearer of the multitude of petticoats worn to get the dome shape of the 1830s, 40s and 50s. They were often small....a little more than a stride...and the hoops started at about knee level. Throw one or two petticoats over these and you have the same shape as just 5 or 6 petticoats. Looked at from above, the shape was basically a circle with the wearer in the center. Of course some small pad or wadding might be added to the petticoat or even the skirt to give the back more bulk. These early hoops were not meant to change the silhouette. But later, as the hoop comes into its own, it and its cut actually determine the silhouette and you get the hoop which sweeps to the back....looking from above, an egg shape with the small end at the back and the wearer in the center of the widest part. The dome shape gives way to a more triangular silhouette achieved by flat pleating the skirt to the waist, as opposed to gathers or cartridge pleats. I suppose you could use one of the earlier hoops as a farthingale and get away with it. But a real farthingale would not be of watch spring steel. Cane, rather, and not as flexible or light. And farthingales usually have hoops that start higher than knee level. And the farthingale look is triangular. In Janet Arnold there are flat pleated skirts in many of the Renaissance gowns. And some are gored, not just straight panels, to get that triangular silhouette. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 17:40:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34LeJdx022517 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:40:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k34Le8NB011030; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 17:40:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34LdhCG077949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k34LdTjk051212; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k34LdK6x051081 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 15:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 30833 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 14:39:20 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 30812, pid: 30820, t: 1.6411s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1361 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.126) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 14:39:18 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:39:08 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.0.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 04 Apr 2006 17:40:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4432E7B8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've > only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some > nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I live in the US, near Philadelphia. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 4 23:25:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k353PFGs010653 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:25:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k353P7cf026498; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k353OrEO023173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k353Oq07030883; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k353Omwo030830 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 28210 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2006 20:24:47 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28192, pid: 28205, t: 0.7084s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:36/d:1361 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.126) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 4 Apr 2006 20:24:47 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404202415.0236dcb0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:24:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 08:23 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: >On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > > My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've > > only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > > models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some > > nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. > >Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I >live in the >US, near Philadelphia. > >-- >Cathy Raymond > >"I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." >--General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) I'm in Sacramento, CA. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: >> My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've >> only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed >> models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some >> nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. > > Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I > live in the > US, near Philadelphia. > I don't remember if it was on this list or another one. Ninya shipped *all* the US books to her mother *somewhere* in California. All the books that I've seen across my various lists arrived today in California. I'm figuring *maybe* Saturday -- probably first of Next Week for the eastern US. The book also covers both Henry 8 and Elizabeth I Jerusha, waiting patiently ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 00:22:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354Mnrp013554 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:22:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k354Mebq032267; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354H51C030476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354H43n070570; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k354GxdC070442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3563GEb017374 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 02:03:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Tuesday 04 April 2006 11:30 pm, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > > On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: > >> My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've > >> only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > >> models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some > >> nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. > > > > Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I > > live in the > > US, near Philadelphia. > > I don't remember if it was on this list or another one. Ninya shipped > *all* the US books to her mother *somewhere* in California. All the > books that I've seen across my various lists arrived today in > California. I'm figuring *maybe* Saturday -- probably first of Next > Week for the eastern US. Ah, now *that* answers my next question! So those of us in the Eastern US will probably get ours last. Now I know! Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 07:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BKQeB030087 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35BK7mR012208; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BJXBE076892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BJRx5018269; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav4.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BJNhw018169 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:19:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:19:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><200604042323.54976.cathy@thyrsus.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060404202415.0236dcb0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with about Ren dress making. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > At 08:23 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: >>On Tuesday 04 April 2006 5:39 pm, Joan Jurancich wrote: >> > My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived in today's mail. Yippee! I've >> > only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed >> > models look like real people, not skinny models. This will be some >> > nice reading (and re-reading) in the evenings. >> >>Joan, where do you live? I'm wondering how soon I'll get mine. I live in >>the >>US, near Philadelphia. >> >>-- >>Cathy Raymond >> >>"I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." >>--General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > I'm in Sacramento, CA. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 07:41:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BfCHl002895 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35Bf4NW024629; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Bdw8S080893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BcsV0029557; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35BcpKa029482 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 05:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.332.1a1439f (39954) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <332.1a1439f.31650644@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:38:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:41:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433ACD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I received my copy two days ago, and have already thumbed through it on multiple occasions. I have to say that it is wonderful, beautifully illustrated and richly detailed. The documentation brought a smile, and I was thrilled to see so many examples of common folk clothes, as opposed to just high fashion. Portraits are great as are extant examples of clothing. I would highly recommend this book to anyone attempting to recreate 16th century clothing. Clothing, not costumes, yay! :) ~Kimberley Jacksonville, Florida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 11:40:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fe3m5016971 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:40:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35FdtCA028569; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:39:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fd9uG034814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fd1rq021837; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35FcvBW021697 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C7031937B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:38:50 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:39:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433E4CB.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:00:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G0IGq018124 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:00:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35G0AD1013217; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:00:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35FrDCL038907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Fr6e0035331; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35FqvKk035163 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:52:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.245.210 by BAY107-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:52:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.245.210] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:52:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2006 15:52:53.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[00189680:01C658C9] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433E98A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO That looks fabulous! Just what I imagined bliaut to look like in person! Very cool Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:04:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4nH3018173 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:04:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35G4fZ2016850; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4NlS042135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4LZV046607; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G4H7L046505 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5583.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.131]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C2EB8FAC024 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:04:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002501c658ca$9834c0f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:04:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433EA99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Congratulations Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:08:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G8i4O018253 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:08:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35G8aVk019833; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G8F3G043118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35G8EGa050523; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35G89e8050254 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 58310 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 16:08:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fMjaQmapmmequoYw8ye75jlIPlNYewm2lL5KYA1rrI4JCHxzOpBOlrouaFvNFiRSMIFdmc1V6gFkchxYoVraQnthPY4QhWbTrcM3FIMOkfIcDWSt1KYCTx0ixnXWqP3dfbWTplZS5nCAlINtF3OvSWXWzGca1VjRNYDrB5it9GQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings-- Deredere Galbraith wrote: > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg Very spiff! You've definitely got "the look" down. Which construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited "corselet" cut). Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 12:55:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GtWY3019904 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:55:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35GtNpx024023; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:55:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GsdWk056065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GsVZ2096130; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35GsRAm095983 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCC63195C2 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:54:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:54:22 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <4433EB6C.8030909@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <4433EB6C.8030909@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060405165422.1CCC63195C2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:55:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4433F67B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It is the very basic construction. with gores to make the skirt wider and side lacing with added lengt. The pleating is done by moisting the silk, pleat and let it dry for a day. Here is the rest of the website. It is in Dutch http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliaut.html Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > >> Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. >> Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool >> http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Very spiff! You've definitely got "the look" down. Which > construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are > several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, > side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across > the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of > pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited "corselet" > cut). > > > > Susan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 13:42:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35HggAY023160 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:42:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35HgYGo032338; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:42:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Hg2fY066160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Hfxcg040112; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.247] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35HftPI039940 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1475C1D0005 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26934-08 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 93F131D0008 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><200604042323.54976.cathy@thyrsus.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060404202415.0236dcb0@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with > about Ren dress making. Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help you drool over the book! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 14:03:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I3dWg024344 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35I3VlA018461; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:03:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I37Cs070876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I34Qu060987; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:03:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35I2w8F060840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:16198 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FRCL1-0006fA-Oc; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:02:40 -0500 Message-ID: <019a01c658db$1fa46f30$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: , Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pilgrim shoes (x-post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:03:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44340673.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k35I3dWg024344 Status: RO Does anyone know if Pilgrim Shoes is still in business/taking orders? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 16:02:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K2j7g031042 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:02:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35K2aCO026700; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:02:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K1ksD094030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K1gVi072581; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K1boK072511 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FREC8-000Nz5-7w for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:01:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:00:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut References: <20060405153851.22C7031937B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> <4433EB6C.8030909@rogers.com> <20060405165422.1CCC63195C2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <20060405165422.1CCC63195C2@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U (<$9$N+Zj34zdmaF4tqRmTWmYY0u>) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434225C.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO You really have got the look, it's lovely. Some time I will take the time to read through your site with my Dutch dictionary. But I do like the picture of the dress all twisted up - it looks as if it would go through a wedding ring, like a Christening shawl was meant to do! Jean Deredere Galbraith wrote >It is the very basic construction. with gores to make the skirt wider >and side lacing with added lengt. >The pleating is done by moisting the silk, pleat and let it dry for a day. >Here is the rest of the website. >It is in Dutch >http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliaut.html > >Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > >> Greetings-- >> >> Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> >>> Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. >>> Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool >>> http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg >> >> Very spiff! You've definitely got "the look" down. Which >>construction method did you use? (For the uninitiated, there are >>several theories of bliaut construction, including simple side lacing, >>side lacing with added length through the body to get the folds across >>the belly, bias-cut, separate skirt piece, and various types of >>pleating/smocking--not to mention the largely discredited "corselet" cut). >> >> >> >> Susan >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 16:10:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35KAFHS031505 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:10:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35KA7TN000830; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K9pMQ095555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K9iaB080324; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35K9dt1080154 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter71.comcast.net ([204.127.205.171]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006040520093401100lbq5ge>; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:09:34 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter71.comcast.net; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0000 Message-Id: <040520062009.26378.443423FC000B2A560000670A22007636929C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434241F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO It is a lovely dress. I wish I could read Dutch so I could make a dress just like this. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 16:58:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35KwhTf001691 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:58:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35KwZs2006832; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Kvx9V003853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Kvv9j025936; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35KvrBS025758 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDJM3XAZK3FTS for (sender ); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:57:25 -0700 (PST) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LL8LJ7Z2; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:56:53 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: <20060405.135621.2432.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-30 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 11:5:78731205 X-MAIL-INFO: 08bc9d31a8bc051128a911a81818b139b881952df981583de11dcd584139f905ada5ed81bc359981693dad2861a10d09ace9ecace5196ce9e5b12868f14db118714d8961f1e815612d1509688d1cc11509a1f10df90d8ce5fc25780db1bdc961a155e95500cc7c78fce50141c92149212d3c58f92cbddc8d81b898 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgk7ivMdQv5fC6LrrPdd+f2U= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Set Editor wanted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44342F7B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 17:15:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LFoLt003444 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:15:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35LFgVJ019728; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:15:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LFFRH007366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LF9ft044051; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LEq6h043691 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IX9002G4POL40KC@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:14:43 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut In-reply-to: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:15:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434337E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Nancy-- Do you have a photo? Regards Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 17:18:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LIEhp003597 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35LI5HT021613; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LHsVG007847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LHl0h047003; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35LHf27046846 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3163 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 21:17:31 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:17:31 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <61265.162.119.64.110.1144271900.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060322182149.01d7f328@127.0.0.1> References: <870801590603211210p668a38cbrb3fa192c4c90af8f@mail.gmail.com> <000601c64d26$1feb5410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <870801590603211245v52bf459fvc681427579cf5792@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c64d33$3de2ea70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <870801590603211616y70e4725frb09c32c22e84099d@mail.gmail.com> <20060321200006.qvk7vumvreu8kgg0@www.goldsword.com> <20060321200246.ov91aczjovwgsokw@www.goldsword.com> <001601c64d8d$96827f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <20060322081055.mcgvhn467eo0sokw@www.goldsword.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060322135856.01d8c628@127.0.0.1> <870801590603220619p2b42eer8474462c401ae1f0@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060322182149.01d7f328@127.0.0.1> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Visiting Washington DC soon take II... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:18:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434340D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I forgot to mention that I will also be visiting Colonial Williamsburg....does anybody know how I can get in to take a look at their costume collection up close? Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 17:21:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LLodo003719 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:21:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35LLfDL024297; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LG04u007477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35LFweu045019; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35LFiSg044706 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2743 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2006 21:15:24 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:15:24 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <45873.162.119.64.110.1144271774.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> References: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Visiting Washington DC soon.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:21:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443434E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hello all, I will be traveling to Washington DC soon and wanted to hear recommendations from folks on the list about what to see. My interests are existing costumes from Europe 1100-1890 and paintings of the Renaissance & Baroque periods. Thanks! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 18:23:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MNnn2008705 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:23:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35MNefm029069; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MN4aS021864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MN0cQ007997; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MMuNQ007868 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2dd.52b75bf (16335) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:22:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2dd.52b75bf.31659d39@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:22:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434436C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/5/06 7:02:05 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I've only glanced through it, but I like the fact that the photographed > models look like real people, not skinny models. That's cos they are real people (including lots of UK re-enactors!!), but I agree. Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 18:26:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MQkki008867 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35MQcN4030598; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MQ9hV022456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MQ89t010696; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k35MQ3Lk010517 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43164 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2006 22:25:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6QK04ZccUdWPxAA6Nn9OZpBBQbtBeCORa+r0PLUqudBSGaEg+Jn52fYHouRRTT3RUKIwwqa6ggpI3jNPE6TmYc3sFRxsGapqteuLYfqB9HtOFaaCqAPPwrLfTeC/bmckBY3UYGv6mLADGoUS1nbjj/KmWyGLp0940DXUCD58Bhw= ; Message-ID: <20060405222558.43162.qmail@web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.197] by web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:25:58 BST Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:25:58 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434441E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi! I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 18:54:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MsHxc011377 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:54:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35Ms9kT014212; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:54:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35Mrfwv027184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MrdXa035154; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:53:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35MrZdJ035094 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sherylnd@kc.rr.com) Received: from sherylnd.kc.rr.com (CPE-65-30-96-190.kc.res.rr.com [65.30.96.190]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k35MrVoC013463 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:53:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20060405175109.02348260@kc.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:53:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Sheryl Nance-Durst Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book on Stuart costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 18:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44344A91.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The following book review was in a recent Library Journal. I thought some of the list members might be interested. The book just came out. Sheryl N-D Ribeiro, Aileen. Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England. Yale Univ. in assoc. with the Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art. 2006. 387p. photogs. bibliog. index. ISBN 0-300-10999-7. $65. FINE ARTS Fashion books are often large, but Ribeiro's (history of art, Courtauld Inst. of Art, Univ. of London; The Art of Dress: Fashion in England and France, 1750-1820) is also otherwise substantial. Flipping through the pages is a treat enough, with their sumptuous reproductions of 17th-century English paintings, etchings, costume plates, clothing receipts, and fabric. But Ribeiro's clear text is a refreshing companion, deftly interweaving poetry, theater, philosophy, politics, and art into a generalized but engaging chronological survey of how dress can reflect society, literally becoming a part of its language and economy. This book delivers its evidence with humor and historical empathy, reveling in its discussion of the importance of men's garters and the close connection between emotion (particularly melancholy) and states of dress (or undress). Despite the author's scholarly background, the art historical potency of the works is sometimes subsumed by their role as illustration of fact. However, Ribeiro presents a banquet of fascinating images, from the most famous Anthony van Dyck royal portraits to the shockingly modern still life of Wenceslaus Hollar, and her book is not to be put down lightly. Recommended. ~~~~~~~~ By Prudence Peiffer, Cambridge, MA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 19:09:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N93uY014035 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:09:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35N8sTQ024121; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N8Ki8030010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N865d048036; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35N81jv047989 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E37116CE for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:07:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:08:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44344E07.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hey all, I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a different movie of a similar time frame? Thanks for any thoughts on this. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 19:20:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NKVGL016400 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:20:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35NKMN5030861; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NISAn032119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NIR3v056488; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k35NIO9w056364 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:18:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:18:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405222558.43162.qmail@web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 19:18:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2006 23:18:18.0806 (UTC) FILETIME=[39539560:01C65907] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443450B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have that book and will look at it again. I have LOTS of patterns from various sources and see if I have one like it. Enlarging a book pattern: Copy it on a xerox. Draw a grid on it to make an enlarging system. Measure something such as the front seam of a bodice- write it down on the copy. I good way to make it simpler it to put 10 squares on top of the pattern piece. If it's 2 inches, put 10. If it's 1 inch put 10. It's easier to multiply a number by 10. Then measure your own body where the pattern will fit. Compare the numbers.( I'm trying to put it into words and am finding it difficult) If your body part area is 12 inches then each square will be 1.2 inches for the enlarged pattern. It doesn't matter how big the copy squares are.. they are just a starting point. They are for placement. The enlargement pattern is where the inches counts. Either way, enlarging a pattern in such a way takes time. I hope that helps. Feel free to ask me if you need more help. Sorry I can't explain it better. I'm a visual person and putting things in words is sometimes harder. I can draw a picture if you'd like.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress > Hi! > > I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as > possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the > group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year > daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would > scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too > ambitious?! > > All the best! > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new > Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/5/2006 6:26:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! One technique that might work is to use a different size square, rather than 1", to enlarge the pattern--start with, say, her chest measurement and decide how big it needs to be, then use squares of that size--does that make sense? I'm imagining more like 3/4" rather than 1". However, keep in mind that a 4 year old's body shape is different from a grown woman's, so you would have to make some other modifications. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 20:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360Xxwg022129 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k360XpVi009377; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360XH5e046331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360XEcD019478; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k360XA4r019433 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 9596 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2006 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:36:21 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <18374.162.119.64.110.1144283630.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:33:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443461EF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > Hey all, > > I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my > Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage > question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the > storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a > different movie of a similar time frame? One of my early favorites is "Anne of the Thousand Days". The costumes are pretty good, the story is entertaining if it isn't strictly true. This has been a favorite of mine for years. Then I tried to watch "A Man for All Seasons" and didn't like it much. Another great Tudor style movie is "Lady Jane". AWESOME costumes if not a little later than you are portraying. Early Helena Bonham Carter and Cary Elwes. Also has Patrick Stewart. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 20:44:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360iQgU022588 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:44:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k360iIk5015845; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360ctnu047375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360csOH023353; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k360cPUE023012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-23-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.23]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k360cNmE013564 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:38:24 +1000 Message-ID: <009701c65912$68a03110$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060405222558.43162.qmail@web27312.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:38:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:44:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44346462.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress > Hi! > > I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as > possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the > group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year > daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would > scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too > ambitious?! > > All the best! > Jayne > Would that be the pattern based on this portrait http://tudor-portraits.com/HelenaSnakeborg.jpg ? The best way might be to take a pattern that's fitted to her measurements and then re-draw some of the seams to make it look like the pattern you're trying to recreate. Look through the regular pattern catalogues for something with a fairly fitted bodice, a waist seam, and a high neckline (so it's easy to cut down to the square neckline of the mid 16th century) then trace this pattern onto tissue paper and copy the lines you see in the book onto your full sized pattern. Fortunately you don't have to deal with removing darts/princess seams as people who try to do this with adult patterns do. The other option would be to copy it onto an overhead transparency and blow it up using an overhead projector, then you just pick one measurement (e.g. the centre front) blow it up to that size trace off the pattern and adjust the rest of the pattern to match her measurements (you'll almost certainly need to reduce the difference between the bust and the waist for a child) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 22:34:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362YYMJ027542 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:34:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k362YQrW020652; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:34:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362Y0Vp063742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362XuW8006126; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362Xk16005947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k364K878020839 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 00:20:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:40:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net> <01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> In-Reply-To: <01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:34:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44347E32.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > > > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with > > about Ren dress making. > > Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help > you drool over the book! I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is droolworthy--even though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book was the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart Tailor. People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 22:40:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362ei82027798 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:40:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k362eaBi024369; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:40:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362eOD2064390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362eNXS010685; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k362eKFd010581 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IXA00LO94QW3F20@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.34] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.174.157]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:08 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44347FA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Here is my problem: I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 23:17:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363HY3k029406 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:17:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k363HQvo014591; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363HFS3067909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363HB90035910; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363H6gV035740 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.333.1abce5c (25711) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:16:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <333.1abce5c.3165e222@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:16:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Visiting Washington DC soon take II... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44348846.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I just got back from DC. This has nothing to do with costume, but there is a Grant Wood exhibit at the Renwick Gallery... diagonally across the street from the White House. It's not a big all day thing, so if you have an hour or so, see if you can catch it. It's full of wonderful stuff....his "craft" works...like iron gates and a wonderful "corn cob" chandelier. "American Gothic" is there on loan from the Chicago Art Inst. It a masterpiece, quite amazing in person no matter how many times you've seen it printed or spoofed somewhere. And other great paintings as well like his portrait of members of the DAR and "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere" and "Parson Weem's Fable". It's there until July I think. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 23:32:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363WIGN030089 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:32:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k363WA7f023163; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363VoWg069184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363VmN7045927; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav4.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363VkVm045885 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:31:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.59.198 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:31:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.59.198] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:31:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:31:48 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2006 03:31:45.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[A173FEF0:01C6592A] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44348BBA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k363WIGN030089 Status: RO Yes, we are always interested in more bliaut pictures! Especially if it shows the lacing! Could you post it somewhere? Do you have a date? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: MaddNancy@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 5 23:52:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363q8Y6031171 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:52:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k363q0nO001611; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363peCb072105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363pYiZ060384; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k363pT9r060319 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 21:51:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22942 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:24:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:24:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need help with dress... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:52:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44349060.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. > > Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic > dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with > 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. > > Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in > the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. The Gothic fitted dress existed in some from from roughly 1350 to 1450, and there are a variety of overdresses to choose from in that period. To my knowledge they are all full-length, so I wouldn't suggest going shorter. The body could be fitted (like the underdress), seen throughout this period (though details of the fitted silhouette change). It might be rather looser, as a basic gown -- rather like you describe above; this is not often seen in art, but it does show up in the 1380s or so, in English brasses. By the end of the 1300s that loose gown had morphed into the houppelande, which is very very full in the body (flaring from a closer fit at the shoulder). Sleeves range as well, usually tight with the tight bodies, and wide or bagged with the houppelandes, but sometimes done otherwise. The rare instances when you see the loose mid-width gown, it often has semi-wide sleeves that look rather like a modern blazer's in width and length, with the cuffs of the long underdress sleeves showing at the wrists. So yes, if you hunt, you can find some examples of a semi-fitted tunic-style gown with sleeves that come just a bit short of the wrist. But it's rare. One example I'm looking at is the brass of Marion Grevel, c. 1386, in Margaret Scott's _Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th centuries_. This one already has the high collar of the houppelande, and really looks like an early houppelande. I suspect you can find more examples of these mid-sized bodies and looser sleeves on middle-class rather than upper-class women. I don't have time to go hunting for you right now, but I would suggest you look at the health handbooks (Tacuinum Sanitatus); these are Lombardic with French influence. You might have a shot of finding "flowy" sleeves there too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 01:13:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365D5Sg002726 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k365Cv6L012874; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365COrm080386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365C7Ht014558; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k365C2PE014517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 23:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-23-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.23]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k365C0v9012495 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:12:02 +1000 Message-ID: <007501c65938$a256dc80$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 01:13:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434A359.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi everyone, I've just come across a new picture the central portrait at the top of this page http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/the_marriage_of_queen_mary.htm I'm interested because it's a side view of a French hood (and more portraits are always good) but I can't find a larger picture, has anybody else seen this portrait before and know where I can find a better picture of it? This website doesn't provide any details on where it is or who painted it, and from what I've read elsewhere on this site I think the images are all taken from the web so there's no chance of looking it up in a book. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 03:14:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k367EQSH022129 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:14:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k367EIQF009201; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:14:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k367DxRA090314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k367DsHF093967; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k367DoNl093901 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 01:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70031 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2006 07:13:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SuAGdNsDE1hNnjkJreLBDI00IjVTE/TcDHricDgcBMoZJSEsnU8fmvgdCBGvxRHUWTTxmP3jKaPbP43/8bjWYuqtMZlHNNA0MoDCUGBGhGk/pv037Nm9oVrvbNJqmc4vxw0ZRDPWlbbut6fWfIXOsjr77WFvtKP2LN+5W178Y78= ; Message-ID: <20060406071345.70029.qmail@web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.117.11] by web27306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:13:45 BST Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:13:45 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Jean Hunnisett Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 03:14:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434BFCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi! Just to say 'Thanks' for all the suggestions for scaling the Elizabethan dress! I will certainly have a go! I can see the costume in my mind, black velvet with a pearl trim(I have seen a fabric for the contrast in the skirt, white with a black Elizabethan style pattern), white parlet, white ruff with a black edging (with more pearls!), and a black hat with a white feather! Better get on with it....! All the Best Jayne PS No doubt I'll be posting more questions! --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 05:10:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369AMT1016443 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:10:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k369AB0N011060; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:10:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3699jBH099459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3699gmv065580; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3699d1R065543 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9A848970076; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:04:40 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 02:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c65959$d9f08da0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3699d1R065543 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:10:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434DAF3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oh, yes, a whole series.........sign me up! Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Becky" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > > > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in > > with about Ren dress making. > > Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to > help you drool over the book! I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is droolworthy--even though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book was the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart Tailor. People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 05:12:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369C2hj016821 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:12:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k369BsXR025610; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369Bg0j099641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369BfAM066790; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369Bc3k066748 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9D948A30076; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:05:29 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 02:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c65959$f70243c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:11:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434DB5A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO What's a GFD? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... Here is my problem: I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. Thanks Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 05:33:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369XDXW021976 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k369X49x023643; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369WSSU001234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369WPaD079737; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k369WM5U079661 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 03:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k369WFZ24644.; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:32:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:32:15 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:31:58 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on Stuart costumes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k369WM5U079661 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:33:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4434E050.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Sounds fantastic! Must look out for it. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> sherylnd@kc.rr.com 05/04/2006 23:53 >>> The following book review was in a recent Library Journal. I thought some of the list members might be interested. The book just came out. Sheryl N-D Ribeiro, Aileen. Fashion and Fiction: Dress in Art and Literature in Stuart England. Yale Univ. in assoc. with the Paul Mellon Centre for Studies in British Art. 2006. 387p. photogs. bibliog. index. ISBN 0-300-10999-7. $65. FINE ARTS _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 07:18:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BITcj013748 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:18:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36BIKZO011796; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:18:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BHmZ3009826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BHfDx042564; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:17:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav16.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36BHaf2042532 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 04:17:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:17:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'm well underway into making my first Renaissance garb. My daughter has chosen the portrait of Princess Elizabeth in the pink/orange dress. I'll post a diary somewhere when it's done. I have paid way more than I should have to gather all the correct fabrics and assessories. I plan on her wearing it for quite a while, too. When hers is done, I'll have to make myself one so we are in the same time frame. Since I'll be taking her with me at the same time, makes sense to me to be within reason on our garments. One thing about having to pay so much for all this stuff... I buy in bulk when I can. I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I need to get done one day soon. Any one able to come help me do that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! >> >> > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with >> > about Ren dress making. >> >> Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help >> you drool over the book! > > I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. > > But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is > droolworthy--even > though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book > was > the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart > Tailor. > People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. > Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 08:12:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CCFjL022219 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:12:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36CC4fT007197; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:12:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CBf1d014056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CBdX5077846; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36CBX1E077777 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.168] (pm5-168.eos.net [205.133.149.168]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36CBVhB012089 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:11:31 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:59:03 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604060039.k360cxXS023422@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:12:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44350594.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Derdere: It looks great in the photo. Also, although I don't read Dutch, I had no trouble following the site and understanding what you did. I do have one practical question. The silk you used seems to be very light. Do you think that the bliauts of the time were made of such light silk? Would it have been warm enough for clothing when there was no central heating? Is the skirt heavy enough to stay down, or does it "float" up? But I am not criticizing! It looks great, and you look great in it! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 09:53:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Dr0e5027318 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:53:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36DqqxG014131; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:52:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Dq2JW041784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DptLE049667; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DpnkW049503 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102B05100FA for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21210-01-9 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5922B5100FE for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006b01c65981$8125f700$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis><200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > I'm well underway into making my first Renaissance garb. My daughter has > chosen the portrait of Princess Elizabeth in the pink/orange dress. I'll > post a diary somewhere when it's done. I have paid way more than I should > have to gather all the correct fabrics and assessories. I plan on her > wearing it for quite a while, too. When hers is done, I'll have to make > myself one so we are in the same time frame. Since I'll be taking her with > me at the same time, makes sense to me to be within reason on our > garments. > One thing about having to pay so much for all this stuff... I buy in bulk > when I can. I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I > organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I > need to get done one day soon. > Any one able to come help me do that? Organize? ORGANIZE? (runs away screaming) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 09:54:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DsOX7027362 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:54:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36DsFYC012524; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DrdVW042119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Drc5a051060; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36DrXXH051002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-23-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.23]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k36DrVkQ031992 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:53:32 +1000 Message-ID: <004501c65981$7ecd6100$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis><200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 23:53:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Organising the fabric stash (was Re: My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44351D87.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I > organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I > need to get done one day soon. > Any one able to come help me do that? try http://seworganized.com/index.shtml I know there's another page out there written by a guy in the SCA about how he organised his fabric stash but I can't find it so I'll summarise. Basically he put all his fabric in boxes and had index cards with a sample of the fabric, and it's details (e.g. how much of the fabric there was, fibre content, price, if it was intended for a specific project etc) in a separate box so he could put his fabric in storage but still know what he had and where to find it without going through his entire stash. Aha! A search through the H-cost archives turned up this message http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/index.cgi?l=ALL&s=stash&Cmd=Match+9 and although the link in that message seems to be broken a web search for the author's name turned up this http://www.florilegium.org/files/TEXTILES/Fnd-Tme-2-Sew-art.rtf Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:08:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E8PSu027770 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:08:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36E8HhL026550; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:08:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E7mAc043782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E7lK3063357; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36E7hF6063285 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m232.in-tch.com [216.166.191.232]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k36DwXA08853 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003401c65984$7f2f4fc0$e8bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002301c65959$f70243c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] need help with dress... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough time frame). They tend to have a snug fit from the shoulders to the hips, at which point they widen into full skirts. Necklines vary with time and style. Sleeves often close-fitting. If done properly, these gowns can actually function admirably as a support for one's, uhm, feminine charms ;o). Even work with a very large bust (personal experience--I'm REALLY large chested, and the girls don't *move* in one of them AND I can still breathe...it's amazing). Most often made in a good, flexible wool fabric like gabardine, and lined with a sturdy linen, but other fashion fabrics have been used. Wool and linen just make a marvelous team for them... Often known as "cotehardies" in costuming texts, but they're really, more properly, only the first of one's outer layers. (Think shift, then gown, and then another layer--another gown, or a surcoat, or a houpelande.) In the original post, the author's asking about appropriate outer layers to go over her gown. Does that help? or just confuse? Fitted gowns are an off-and-on again topic on the list, not in the least because we've got Robin, who's done a lot of research on them, and a lot of teaching and lecturing on them as well. --Sue, in "will it ever stop raining, yes I KNOW it's April" Montana ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... > What's a GFD? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... > > > Here is my problem: > > I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. > > Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic dress > over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with 'flowy' mid > forearm length sleeves. > > Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in the > same time period to the form-fitted GFD. > > Thanks > Katheryne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:24:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EOjB5028289 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36EObwF007842; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EOFG5045777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:24:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EOBpi078055; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:24:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EO8NM077983 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=lVF5oidtQKxY6dGhb6BhvXjlEzH7EuIbRH1hdrHJHzjGpa8N43HjqJYZHGVeZ6KM; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.31] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FRVP3-0006EU-Pd for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c65985$bc5cf950$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007501c65938$a256dc80$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:23:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b71e4c5b06cac567df70b0782981fbb9a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.31 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:24:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443524A5.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Elizabeth wrote: > I've just come across a new picture the central portrait at the top of > this page > http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/the_marriage_of_queen_mary.htm I'm > interested because it's a side view of a French hood (and more portraits > are always good) but I can't find a larger picture, has anybody else seen > this portrait before and know where I can find a better picture of it? > This website doesn't provide any details on where it is or who painted it, > and from what I've read elsewhere on this site I think the images are all > taken from the web so there's no chance of looking it up in a book. This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat larger version can be found here: http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:39:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EdxUb028745 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:39:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36EdpSa023437; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EbhNa047553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EbfXt090598; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EbbiE090461 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:37:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AA1319124 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:37:32 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bliaut References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060406143731.B5AA1319124@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44352837.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The silk is very thin but it is warmer than I expected. I don't think it will float up. It tends to kling a bit to the underdress probably because of the pleating. On 17 April I will be wearing the dress. It should be spring but the weather is still cold so I will find out if the dress will be warm enough... Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >Derdere: > >It looks great in the photo. Also, although I don't read Dutch, I had no >trouble following the site and understanding what you did. > >I do have one practical question. The silk you used seems to be very light. >Do you think that the bliauts of the time were made of such light silk? >Would it have been warm enough for clothing when there was no central >heating? Is the skirt heavy enough to stay down, or does it "float" up? > >But I am not criticizing! It looks great, and you look great in it! > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 10:42:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Eg4ps028790 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:42:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36Efu3a017487; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:41:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EfZdN048176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EfXX2094176; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36EfO9s094027 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=NsyR9GVdeu7iR1f5GmL1DghDCfvYZhM19P5YDqaLA7M+P13APWJIPZAbsgH5pJJC; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.30] (helo=mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FRVfn-0003AH-UE for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:24 -0400 Message-ID: <19326335.1144334483906.JavaMail.root@mswamui-chipeau.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:41:23 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a464876e473fbe94f9282bea8df71845552601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.30 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443528B4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I saw the film of A Man for All Seasons when it first came out; subsequently I was in a production of the play, at my college, in the role of Lady Alice More. Then, a few years later, I saw the film again. I found the film enormously moving (both times) and the play even more so. I saw the film long before I had much idea of genuine period clothing, but I remember the costuming as rich, textured, and appropriate to the characters. I haven't seen the film in many years so can't update that impression. Paul Scofield was, I thought, great; opposite Wendy Hiller (Alice), who could ask for anything more. Was this the film where Vanessa Redgrave played Anne Boleyn? She is forevermore my image of Anne--that eagerness in her face is still with me. What the play has that the film lacks is a character called The Common Man--a protean who takes a number of the small roles and also narrates to the audience. In his minor roles he greases the wheels of the catastrophe in the course of protecting his own interests: hence the chill of his last line to the audience, "Remember me." What the film has that the play lacks is gorgeous, gorgeous scenery. (and of course Scofield!) This is a play by one of England's great latter-20th-c playwrights, Robert Bolt. The text is drawn partly from More's writings and is uniformly vivid in its use of language, as well as thought-provoking and reasonably responsible historically. I would say that the film is DEFINITELY worth seeing, even though, as I suggest above, I can't vouch for the historical accuracy of the costuming beyond saying that More's family's clothing in the Holbein portraits matches my recollection of More's family's clothing in the film. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Diana Habra >Sent: Apr 5, 2006 8:33 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question > > >> Hey all, >> >> I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my >> Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage >> question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the >> storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a >> different movie of a similar time frame? > >One of my early favorites is "Anne of the Thousand Days". The costumes >are pretty good, the story is entertaining if it isn't strictly true. > >This has been a favorite of mine for years. Then I tried to watch "A Man >for All Seasons" and didn't like it much. > >Another great Tudor style movie is "Lady Jane". AWESOME costumes if not a >little later than you are portraying. Early Helena Bonham Carter and Cary >Elwes. Also has Patrick Stewart. > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >"Become the change you want to see in the world." >--Ghandi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 11:17:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FHrWt029767 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:17:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36FHjG5000833; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FH15S053172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FGt58028552; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FGnsZ028351 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2af.158a941 (15974) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r12 (mblk-r12.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.203]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID101-3e66443530d93ac; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8C827A4408AB4B2-1E2C-24F9@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <040520062009.26378.443423FC000B2A560000670A22007636929C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:16:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <040520062009.26378.443423FC000B2A560000670A22007636929C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.203 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44353119.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I agree with you it is just fantastic. theresa -----Original Message----- From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Sent: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of my silk bliaut It is a lovely dress. I wish I could read Dutch so I could make a dress just like this. Roscelin -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > Finally a picture of the bliaut I am working on. > Made from natural dyed silk and the belt from natural dyed wool > http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/ZijdeBliaut.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 11:19:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FJXDi029798 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:19:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36FJPIa021647; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:19:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FIwj5053385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FItJ6030494; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36FIn4x030308 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.141.58f3edf6 (16111) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r12 (mblk-r12.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.203]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef4435314c11a; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8C827A484B1F442-1E2C-2523@mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r12.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:18:39 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <31d.1ac1a50.31658b27@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.203 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435317D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Nancy would you please post the picture I am very much interested in seeing it. thanks theresa -----Original Message----- From: MaddNancy@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 17:05:43 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut While in Angers recently I saw a great statue of a woman wearing a bliaut. The picture I took shows the lacing on the side. Since this isn't my time period, I don't know is this is well known statue or not. If people are interested, please let me know. Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 14:05:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I5QDY002453 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:05:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36I5HdV002995; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:05:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I48j9077836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I41u5088544; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36I3rFf088325 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1bb.17c244f (4539) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:02:49 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:05:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435585D.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting Angers. The cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. It also has the wonderful Apocalypse Tapestry! http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 15:12:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JCmDD004157 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:12:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36JCeBp023730; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JBmTN089184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JBhME052693; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JBabm052544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FRZtE-0004w5-8e; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:11:32 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:32 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting MaddNancy@aol.com: > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting Angers. The > cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. It also > has the wonderful > Apocalypse Tapestry! > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 It tells me I have to log on to see them. Am I just *special* today? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 15:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JhvmK004908 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:43:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36JhmWe016047; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:43:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JfAca093574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Jf8v4078804; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.unr.edu (gw2.unr.edu [134.197.1.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36Jf4K8078734 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from daniel@fenwick.sparks.nv.us) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.unr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F66140320 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.unr.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw2 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16983-01-98 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wrb2006alaptop (wrb2006a-laptop.ed.unr.edu [134.197.92.150]) by smtp.unr.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5269A140362 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:38:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Fenwick" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:40:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c659b1$fcdcf3a0$965cc586@unr.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZZrgIJPEhe8zqSS7K1PSCMC4uZvwAA9j2w X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at mailserver.unr.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:43:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44356F74.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I > hope they help. > > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > > > If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting > Angers. The > > cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. > It also has > > the wonderful Apocalypse Tapestry! > > > > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753 > > .1 > > It tells me I have to log on to see them. Am I just *special* today? Susan, No, I'm in the same boat. And once you log in (assuming you have some kind of AOL sign-on) it will take you to your own album space rather than hers. I haven't found a way to find the images on AOL's system. Dan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 20:54:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370sZEC013046 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:54:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k370sR8w020469; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:54:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370rhFD046844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370rWIx054658; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:53:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k370rPIm054567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-176-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.176]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k370rFM0021690 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:24 +1000 Message-ID: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007501c65938$a256dc80$17d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> <006101c65985$bc5cf950$1f399b04@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435B843.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English > school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat > larger version can be found here: > http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 > > This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: > http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge > it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. > > Good luck, > > -Helen/Aidan Thanks for that, especially the second one (I didn't get any problems with fuzziness, though you've got to give it a few moments to clear up when you zoom) That French hood is certainly interesting, if you zoom in to the area at the bottom of her ear you can see that the black band at the front is laid over an 'ordinary' French Hood coz you can just see the end of her jewelled blimmet sticking out from the bottom plus you can also see a white band going underneath her jaw. The other interesting point is I think the back blimmet might curve under at the back of her neck, which makes me wonder how far it extends towards the back of her neck and whether perhaps it helps to keep it on and maybe it extends all the way across. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 21:53:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371rhta016362 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k371rZbB019260; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371r6AM052514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371r5eo097535; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371r19Y097480 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4D1244D02CC; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:48:01 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k371r19Y097480 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:53:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435C61F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Thanks. In college, our costume teacher made one on the bias. She had the actress lay down on the fabric and traced around her. I wish I'd examined it more closely. Would bias have been period, or was it just theatrical license? The dress moved beautifully. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:15 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need help with dress... Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough time frame). They tend to have a snug fit from the shoulders to the hips, at which point they widen into full skirts. Necklines vary with time and style. Sleeves often close-fitting. If done properly, these gowns can actually function admirably as a support for one's, uhm, feminine charms ;o). Even work with a very large bust (personal experience--I'm REALLY large chested, and the girls don't *move* in one of them AND I can still breathe...it's amazing). Most often made in a good, flexible wool fabric like gabardine, and lined with a sturdy linen, but other fashion fabrics have been used. Wool and linen just make a marvelous team for them... Often known as "cotehardies" in costuming texts, but they're really, more properly, only the first of one's outer layers. (Think shift, then gown, and then another layer--another gown, or a surcoat, or a houpelande.) In the original post, the author's asking about appropriate outer layers to go over her gown. Does that help? or just confuse? Fitted gowns are an off-and-on again topic on the list, not in the least because we've got Robin, who's done a lot of research on them, and a lot of teaching and lecturing on them as well. --Sue, in "will it ever stop raining, yes I KNOW it's April" Montana ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 3:10 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] need help with dress... > What's a GFD? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:40 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] need help with dress... > > > Here is my problem: > > I have a GFD but want to put another layer on over top. > > Would it be appropriate to have something like a semi-fitted T-tunic > dress over it? I am looking for something knee-length or longer with > 'flowy' mid forearm length sleeves. > > Is there anything appropriate that I can make? I want to stay more in > the same time period to the form-fitted GFD. > > Thanks > Katheryne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 21:58:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371waGM016471 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:58:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k371wS2I021865; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:58:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371vwmH053023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371vtYY001505; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k371vqNX001455 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5F498B043A; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 01:52:52 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:57:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k371vqNX001455 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435C744.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I find it interesting that you can clearly see a cord/tie that goes under her chin to keep it on. I always thought they just balanced. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I > This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English > school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat > larger version can be found here: > http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 > > This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: > http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge > it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. > > Good luck, > > -Helen/Aidan Thanks for that, especially the second one (I didn't get any problems with fuzziness, though you've got to give it a few moments to clear up when you zoom) That French hood is certainly interesting, if you zoom in to the area at the bottom of her ear you can see that the black band at the front is laid over an 'ordinary' French Hood coz you can just see the end of her jewelled blimmet sticking out from the bottom plus you can also see a white band going underneath her jaw. The other interesting point is I think the back blimmet might curve under at the back of her neck, which makes me wonder how far it extends towards the back of her neck and whether perhaps it helps to keep it on and maybe it extends all the way across. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 6 22:07:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727gYS016677 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3727Ysb027068; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727GMw053911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:07:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727FJe009140; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3727CM0009055 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 20:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01485 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:40:15 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:40:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c659e6$057df9d0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: [h-cost] GFD, was: need help with dress... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 22:07:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4435C967.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Thanks. In college, our costume teacher made one on the bias. She had > the actress lay down on the fabric and traced around her. I wish I'd > examined it more closely. Would bias have been period, or was it just > theatrical license? The dress moved beautifully. Definitely theatrical license. I've seen absolutely no evidence for that sort of cut in the Middle Ages. Plus, if you want the dress actually to support you and manipulate your figure (rather than just clinging to what's already there) you need the strength of straight grain at crucial points. There's some information about this dress, including likely constructions, on my not-quite-a-webpage: http://www.netherton.net/robin . Look for the .pdf "FAQ" and the collection of previous h-cost posts. Sue saved me a lot of work by answering your earlier question! Only one slight fix to her excellent summary: > Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted > Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th > century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough > time frame). More like mid-14th to mid-15th centuries, I'd say. I think I'm to blame for the term "gothic fitted dress," which was a generic I came up with to deal with the terminology problem (there are many terms used for this general category of dress in the period, varying by time and place, and the terms used by modern costumers are often not the ones used in the period). It coincides with the style art historians call "International Gothic," its key feature is that it's fitted, and it's a dress. It was people on this list who began abbreviating it as GFD, which I would never have anticipated! It was at the Chicago CostumeCon that someone from this list came up to me while I was in costume, and said "A GFD! It's a BFD!" Fortunately she was grinning. (For our non-American readers, "BFD" is an abbreviation for a phrase that begins with "big" and ends with "deal.") --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 7 00:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374DavD019401 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:13:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k374DSE0027222; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:13:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374CcPV068028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374CUxo000207; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k374CPoB099958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 22:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k375wqRp028879 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 01:58:53 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thursday 06 April 2006 7:17 am, Becky wrote: > I'm well underway into making my first Renaissance garb. My daughter has > chosen the portrait of Princess Elizabeth in the pink/orange dress. I'll > post a diary somewhere when it's done. I have paid way more than I should > have to gather all the correct fabrics and assessories. I plan on her > wearing it for quite a while, too. When hers is done, I'll have to make > myself one so we are in the same time frame. Since I'll be taking her with > me at the same time, makes sense to me to be within reason on our garments. > One thing about having to pay so much for all this stuff... I buy in bulk > when I can. I'm all set to make a whole wardrobe one day. Now, How do I > organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I need > to get done one day soon. > Any one able to come help me do that? Ah, Becky, if I could only organize my *own* stuff, I'd be ahead of the game. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 7 11:47:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37Fl3QI004059 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:47:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37Fkt46025223; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37FjiWW046817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37FjNAl093152; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37FjHet092959 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.31a.20aea12 (16111) for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r21 (mblk-r21.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.212]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef4436890258; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:06 -0400 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:09 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8287162CFE5BA-18A4-6162@mblk-r21.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r21.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.212) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:45:09 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060406151132.2b2al0jn8cscocow@www.goldsword.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.212 X-Spam-Flag: NO Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:46:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4436896F.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO No Susan it tells me I have no pictures in aol theresa -----Original Message----- From: Susan B. Farmer To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:11:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Quoting MaddNancy@aol.com: > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > If you ever get the chance, I really recommend visiting Angers. The > cathedral is very nice, and the chateau is really lovely. It also > has the wonderful > Apocalypse Tapestry! > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 It tells me I have to log on to see them. Am I just *special* today? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 7 12:45:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37GjLLQ005202 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37GjDQv014075; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37GgPSb055261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37Gg4PL038899; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37GfnsQ038620 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CD03FD08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060407094147.6D80EDCE@resin01.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joannah Hansen" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO <---zeartiste@hotmail.com wrote: < Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37Md8xe012359 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:39:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37Md0n6021737; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37MbPfv015748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37MbIdP035936; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav2.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37MbEqA035818 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:37:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 22:37:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060404135305.022a6430@surewest.net><01ce01c658d8$40ed6dc0$154d4e40@Stuckis> <200604052240.25555.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! 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Status: RO Today I recieved a lesser quality made dress-up gown of Elizabethan era. My daughter tried it on at the fair last year and wanted it so badly. I had no more money then so we didn't get it. I found the same thing online and ordered it when I did get the money. It's a velour type fabric with attached collar that stands up. She'll love playing dress-up in it until I can finish her Princess Elizabeth costume. I cut the pin fabric tomorrow!!!!! I am waiting to cut the velvet sleeves until I can make a mock-up of it BEFORE cuutting that fabaulour fabric I found. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 1:42 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Becky" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 7:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! >> >> > I'm near Harrisburg. I'm hoping to find someone close to chech in with >> > about Ren dress making. >> >> Hi Becky--I live near Harrisburg, in York. I'd be more than happy to help >> you drool over the book! > > I'm about 2 hours east of Harrisburg; Dianne is definitely closer. > > But for what it's worth, my copy arrived today. It truly is > droolworthy--even > though my real love is the Viking era! What spurred me to buy the book > was > the hope of enabling the authors' proposed next project--The Stuart > Tailor. > People able and willing to prepare works like these are to be encouraged. > Viva Ninya and Jane, and their whole team! > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:33:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NXn94014276 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:33:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NXfs0008440; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NX647088731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NWol5046347; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36HOXP1051625 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29518 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384855.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone mentioned this to me: http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/newstuff/Awards/patterns.html Deadline April 30, but there are so many people here who use these books, the winning piece might be in an h-costumer's closet already. The hitch: If I read this right you have to be a student in a costume/fashion-related line of study (full or part time). --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:35:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NZj9E014305 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:35:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NZbDT024498; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NZQSr089092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NZPk6048250; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36JH7k5057341 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CBCA684C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:16:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4435693B.9030401@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:17:15 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut References: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443848C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they help. > Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th centuries. > > > http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do?albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 I don't think AOL is allowing that album to be shared. I even logged in with my AOL account and it won't let me see them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:36:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaK6f014312 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NaCFf009751; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Na0d2089257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Na0aZ048764; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k36MqgvC056570 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.13f.279d2e52 (15699) for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D11 (fwm-d11.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.203]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d5344359bb01c4; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:52:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:52:34 -0400 Message-Id: <8C827E3ED781CA1-144C-7BE1@FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200604061408.k36E7lFa063365@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-D11.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.203) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:52:34 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200604061408.k36E7lFa063365@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17114 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.203 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: organizing (was: My copy of the Tudor Tailor arrived!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:36:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443848EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll come help organize your stash if you come help organize mine! :) Tea Rose Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:17:32 -0400 From: "Becky" Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: "Historical Costume" Now, How do I organize it all so I can find something. that is the next major task I need to get done one day soon. Any one able to come help me do that? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:36:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nar0G014324 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Najfw002288; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaVWC089377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaUYD049274; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k373En1d057713 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m10.in-tch.com [216.166.191.10]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3735dA02663 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:05:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001001c659f2$74192340$0abfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD, was: need help with dress... 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Status: RO I went early on that, thinking of those gowns in the Manesse Codex, which I think are early 14th? late 13th? I seem to have tagged them in my own mind as sort of proto-GFD's because of the sleeves, but of course, the gowns themselves not very close-fitting.... --Sue, pulling out the old "blame it on a lack of caffeine" excuse ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] GFD, was: need help with dress... > Sue saved me a lot of work by answering your earlier question! Only one > slight fix to her excellent summary: > > > Gothic Fitted Gown (or, alternately, "GFD," for Gothic Fitted > > Dress)....that ubiquitous dress found, uhm, roughly from late 13th > > century through the 15th on many European women (that's a REALLY rough > > time frame). > > More like mid-14th to mid-15th centuries, I'd say. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nb8ZZ014330 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Nb0UW019323; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaD6v089314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NaB9e048969; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k371B6SJ067558 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 19:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30773 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2006 01:10:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dYQ3hRs/fqzTSgDaG2V3WfIbNqPZ0nv68bkTrVo2mWnQfuDr57a9K9Py+iAaBEr/nifcaIoEdGbaoGyftN/128lETaPWlB65u+kf0NI0XvgrkxcjoU/RyzJm0VvSBrToTOZ9kWVgdpddPSTrTC2Y1zA7lsDQHgNHBuT3kE+t1dA= ; Message-ID: <20060407011057.30771.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.85.5.212] by web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:10:57 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Galadriel Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604050152.k351qpTc064393@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438491C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to say, the coat is now 15" shorter than the lining!! It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're welcome to try any method at all to make it any better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it any more possible to save. Thanks, --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:40:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NeVQi014405 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NeNYF011895; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdgxH090188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdfW9052159; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37LkwLI091881 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FRynB-0006Fj-6d for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:46:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 22:45:21 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I References: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:40:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443849E7.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My research on gable hoods suggested that gables just balance, but french hoods usually tie. I didn't find any gables where you could clearly see a tie, but it's quite common with french hoods. I like that, when I looked at the small image I thought the hood seemed to have a round bag at the back, but with more detail you can see it is a falling veil, just painted a bit lighter than the part closest to her head. Jean Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote >I find it interesting that you can clearly see a cord/tie that goes under >her chin to keep it on. I always thought they just balanced. > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:53 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I > > > >> This is a small panel portrait by an anonymous artist of the English >> school held at the Denver Art Museum in the Berger Collection. A somewhat > >> larger version can be found here: >> http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/search/view_image2.asp?image_id=119972 >> >> This link will take you directly to the image in the museum collection: >> http://www.bergercollection.org/artwork_detail.php?i=37 You can enlarge >> it, but the resolution is very fuzzy. >> >> Good luck, >> >> -Helen/Aidan > >Thanks for that, especially the second one (I didn't get any problems with >fuzziness, though you've got to give it a few moments to clear up when you >zoom) That French hood is certainly interesting, if you zoom in to the area >at the bottom of her ear you can see that the black band at the front is >laid over an 'ordinary' French Hood coz you can just see the end of her >jewelled blimmet sticking out from the bottom plus you can also see a white >band going underneath her jaw. The other interesting point is I think the >back blimmet might curve under at the back of her neck, which makes me >wonder how far it extends towards the back of her neck and whether perhaps >it helps to keep it on and maybe it extends all the way across. Elizabeth >-------------------------------------------- >Elizabeth Walpole >Canberra Australia >ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au >http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:41:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nf3UD014415 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Netu0024912; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdKKt090032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NdJdi051799; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:39:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k37IBOjd015603 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EB051C16 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060407110913.03aac330@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:11:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] Picture of Queen Mary I In-Reply-To: <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <008601c659dd$ab716e20$b0d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> <000101c659e6$b26a5120$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:40:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384A07.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:57 PM 4/6/2006, you wrote: >I find it interesting that you can clearly see a cord/tie that goes under >her chin to keep it on. I always thought they just balanced. There are several images of women wearing French hoods where you can see the ties. I have a number of images on my French hood research site http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/index.html I have a few of Queen Mary as well, and the ones on the coins clearly show the ties. I need to scan a few more of her from my books, but I have a number of images online, and they are broken down by decade so you can see the progression. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:41:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfXn8014436 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38NfP6X004051; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nf9aw090555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38Nf9Y5053672; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38GOnVH047396 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 10:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93DB3B62B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 11:24:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:25:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] curtains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384A25.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? LOL! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 19:41:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfvHx014443 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k38Nfo6J019623; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfY3n090621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38NfWsK054004; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k38JRxWG085880 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 13:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.82]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060408192750.MKMD29276.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 14:27:50 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060408142713.028f1890@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:27:49 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:41:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44384A3E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My copy arrived here in Arkansas today. Excellent book! Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 20:55:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390t5BM016157 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k390svNS019588; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390scxg096857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390sYGA099335; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390sUsI099240 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.22d.99a6435 (16100) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID114-3ee444385b3b15; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:54:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4435693B.9030401@reddawn.net> References: <1bb.17c244f.3166b1c9@aol.com> <4435693B.9030401@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <636ddc1a64a734994405010dd9e2f8a0@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Bliaut Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:54:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44385B61.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AOL is not letting me access your photos, either. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb On Apr 6, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Dawn wrote: > MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: > >> I have uploaded the pictures to an album named bliaut. I hope they >> help. Most of the cathedral was built in the 12th and 13th >> centuries. >> > >> >> http://pictures.aol.com/ap/myAlbums.do? >> albumId=48138.968.1144345462753.1 > > I don't think AOL is allowing that album to be shared. I even logged > in with my AOL account and it won't let me see them. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 20:56:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390uGub016181 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k390u8SU030436; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:56:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390ttrD096931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390tsrC000239; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k390tpP6000109 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.306.24873f5 (16111) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID123-3eef44385b8c240; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:55:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <9e852c493943447030433f3443b4fa27@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:55:38 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44385BA8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k390uGub016181 Status: RO NO ! Absolutely not! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Dawn wrote: > Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And > when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? > > LOL! > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 21:10:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391AiOC016454 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k391AaSY027931; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391ADXv098204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391AAGq009315; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391A7M2009216 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.36b.19a538e (29673) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <36b.19a538e.3169b8e5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:09:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44385F0C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/8/2006 8:56:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pasovasz@aol.com writes: Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And > when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" I just buy curtains to make costumes in the first place--Indian cotton sheers make great Regency-era dresses. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 23:13:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393DGHS019760 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:13:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k393D7c6023353; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393CW7Q011735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393COD0084629; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393CLga084553 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5FD3B62B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:12:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44387BB6.9030906@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:12:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> <012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44387BC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > but it's really hard to get curtains without rubber backing (unless you > make them yourself but that's time you could be spending on garb) > Elizabeth Here in the US they come without rubber backings, and I saw quite a number of "velvets" and "brocades" at a home store Friday. Ended up with lovely (polyester) matelasse panels for the bedroom. No rubber backs. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 8 23:41:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393fP5D020623 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:41:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k393fHH0005716; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393eqOo013859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393eovq001066; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k393ektN001035 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 21:40:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C71DA33EBB for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:40:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:41:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438825D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No, but if I go to the goodwill store or salvation army store I look for curtains thinking these might work well for a costume. The way my house looks inside and out, just doesn't work well with formal or fancy that could be used later for any costumes. 1970s style house. De -----Original Message----- Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? LOL! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 00:23:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394NJLO021895 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:23:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k394NBQL023948; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:23:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394MnXj017113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394MkDo025036; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k394MgPO024996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:22:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27004 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FSRRt-0004Wq-0a for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:22:53 -0500 Message-ID: <010201c65b8d$3ddf2b70$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060407011057.30771.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! 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Status: RO I don't have any particularly new advice to give you, but don't give up (yet)... I've successfully un-shrunken a nice wool cardigan, by stretching it every few minutes as it dried, though it hadn't shrunk that much--actually it wound up a bit bigger than when I started. Good luck! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 01:30:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k395UtJ1023217 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k395UlAj016915; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391a2Am001165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391a0ln025616; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391ZtoO025574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.93]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k391ZqCB021300 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:35:54 +1000 Message-ID: <012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:35:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:30:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44389C07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] curtains > Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I > get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? > > LOL! > Dawn > but it's really hard to get curtains without rubber backing (unless you make them yourself but that's time you could be spending on garb) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 01:31:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k395UtJ3023217 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k395UlAl016915; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:30:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391WGYA000946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391WFn1023417; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k391WB3q023349 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2EF195902C2; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:27:11 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! 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Status: RO Someone once told me that if you put a shrunken garment into crème rinse, it will relax-but how much, I don't know. Sharon, who as a stupid teenager washed a cashmere sweater, which shrank in the body, in length and in the arms, in width, leaving me with a great sweater for an orangutan -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Galadriel Lothlorien Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 6:11 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to say, the coat is now 15" shorter than the lining!! It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're welcome to try any method at all to make it any better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it any more possible to save. Thanks, --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 02:53:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396rk1u024917 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:53:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k396rcgZ013713; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 02:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396qIin029162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396qEQJ013740; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k396q9Z0013685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 00:52:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-93-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.93]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k396q6IJ025196 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:52:08 +1000 Message-ID: <019401c65ba2$1d11e760$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:52:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century term for cartridge pleats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 02:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438AF72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hiya everyone, I just read a bit of info that says the term cartridge pleats has it's roots in the late 19th century so what is the correct term for the 16th century. I know it was gauging in the mid 19th century but do we have a record of what it was called prior to that? Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 03:46:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k397kWI6026043 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:46:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k397kOAG031753; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k397kBOX033677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k397k9cS045180; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k397k5jh045102 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 61222 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 07:45:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nqbx0TrzOOdeuRaMpKL30ywra6Fq1a3P4E22PXf86RpZQ09kkuXWeH04rx1VciLG+GvApK6pPvr6I5b9G9sjGuGXrb9wtYFOSNxTHO/ni1lheu1JiE0P+5csc50lJNNICA1QucLIl2oiF/zt3JZ41HYojBwiculsrVJsdh9ZDYg= ; Message-ID: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.135] by web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:45:59 BST Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:45:59 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Curtains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:46:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438BBD0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! Dawn I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! All the best Jayne --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 06:44:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Aieje011693 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:44:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39AiWVI000942; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:44:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39AhNl4048812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39AgkBv049885; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39Agf2s049776 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92443 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 10:42:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.92 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 10:42:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060409114148.01e04e08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:42:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains In-Reply-To: <2f8.2b21d5d.316a3559@aol.com> References: <2f8.2b21d5d.316a3559@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:44:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438E590.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:00 09/04/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: > >I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut >up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often >when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > > > >Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! I have green velvet curtains, but I don't have the tassels - and it would be a very "mini" Scarlett! (And I have the cock feathers for the hat!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CEb41013567 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:14:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CETEs012582; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:14:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CEBNR056077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:14:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CE8kM004848; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39CE5bW004780 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42588 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2006 12:13:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sSOVy3w+eMfCpRT5ZeWD0GcUBmSX5BRZJJCO5/qqjBx6bhOcq39moRarPVTGNXjmugGDWUSEgDxuy80zxo/G2un8K1vDrDD6U/txbFZXGi/7BwwWj25/m73hpq9C2FPHEslGE9LKmb+qQ9K+2v8FkWOysev5FCwymE4si12VvwI= ; Message-ID: <20060409121359.42586.qmail@web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31907.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 05:13:59 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 05:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438FAA5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Nope. My curtains are a 100% cotton brocade with a period 16'th century design. Once I get tired of them, they are going to get dyed and made into a Tudor dress. Tania Dawn wrote: Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? LOL! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:24:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CO290013781 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CNsM0017160; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CNb4H056946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CNa5H010626; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CNXKW010561 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:23:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACBC01E0; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:23:24 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 9 Apr 2006 08:23:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c65bd0$bb4c41e0$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <36b.19a538e.3169b8e5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:25:44 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:23:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438FCDA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72" lengths). Their other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice Regency. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > > In a message dated 4/8/2006 8:56:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pasovasz@aol.com writes: > > Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And > > when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" > > > I just buy curtains to make costumes in the first place--Indian cotton > sheers make great Regency-era dresses. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:32:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CWH8e013997 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:32:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CW95T021026; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:32:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CVoKE057759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CVm2D015804; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CVjKJ015703 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AEAB0250; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:31:39 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.142 ([209.131.80.142] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 9 Apr 2006 08:31:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c65bd1$e53fe460$8e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net><012301c65b75$ef787cf0$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> <44387BB6.9030906@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:34:05 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4438FEC9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have wanted to try these panels or coverlet for an 18thC petticoat. I have an older one cut (It was shabby and I suppose could have been used for a quilt batt) but this is a little heavier than the contemporary bedding/drapery. It will be somewhat bulky I anticipate... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > > > > > > but it's really hard to get curtains without rubber backing (unless you > > make them yourself but that's time you could be spending on garb) > > Elizabeth > > Here in the US they come without rubber backings, and I saw quite a > number of "velvets" and "brocades" at a home store Friday. Ended up with > lovely (polyester) matelasse panels for the bedroom. No rubber backs. :) > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 08:52:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CqPee014510 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39CqHhD030246; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:52:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Cq4Ve059015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Cq2aE027278; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39CpwU0027187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F5E15005D for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24704-01-54 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FE86150059 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <05c401c65bd4$a240fc00$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:53:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:52:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44390381.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > Hi! Dawn > > I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even bought a > pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan costume - I had > little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. The same costume > had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt contrast! I have a pair > of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut up, but I > won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often when I > open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > All the best > Jayne I have a red velvet bedspread that's going to magically transform into a German gown! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 09:01:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D1bvK014747 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:01:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39D1Tn4001935; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:01:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D0t7V059772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D0r8A032716; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39D0nR1032578 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 06:00:44 -0700 Message-ID: <44390576.3090101@msn.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 06:00:38 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2006 13:00:44.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D0092E0:01C65BD5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:01:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443905A9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Costume Society offers a number of different awards/grants. Some of which do not require being a student. Sg Robin Netherton wrote: >Someone mentioned this to me: > >http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/newstuff/Awards/patterns.html > >Deadline April 30, but there are so many people here who use these books, >the winning piece might be in an h-costumer's closet already. > >The hitch: If I read this right you have to be a student in a >costume/fashion-related line of study (full or part time). > >--Robin > >_ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 10:29:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ETDGC016692 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:29:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39ET5KN009300; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:29:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ERZms069049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ERTD4088542; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39ERPJ3088461 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.30a.24a3f7a (15901) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d443919c412a; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:27:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <4addbe7c0380f55debab0b6e0e324785@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:27:14 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:29:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44391A31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A friend had red curtains that were beginning to fade from the sun. She replaced them but couldn't part with the fabric. Opportunity knocked. She made a Wooden Soldier Costume for a Christmas Parade from them. As one of our members says-"Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness" Carol H. Susan On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:45 AM, Jayne Thomas wrote: > Hi! Dawn > > I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even > bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan > costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. > The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt > contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I > am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, > though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I > could make! > > All the best > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 10:49:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EnJqC017122 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:49:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39EnBta019504; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:49:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EmfQo070887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EmewR002148; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39Embe4002065 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1bf.1c9195c (33856) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1bf.1c9195c.316a78bc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:48:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44391EE7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/9/2006 8:23:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: What a great idea! Restoration Hardware and Pier One both had really nice Indian cotton panels a few years ago--sheer with a heavier thread woven in. Four 84" panels were plenty for a Regency dress. They don't seem to carry them any more. Got a set from Target last year--they are okay, but not as good a quality as the others (of course, they were a lot cheaper, too). But I guess quality varied significantly during the era, too. Didn't Jane Austen complain in one of her letters that if you buy the cheap muslin, it falls apart in washing? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 10:57:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EvANf017326 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:57:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39Ev2pR022935; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EukkM071935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39EujDO007869; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39EufgA007821 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 17444 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 14:56:26 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 07:56:26 -0700 Received: from 67.169.138.79 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1052.67.169.138.79.1144594632.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <019401c65ba2$1d11e760$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <019401c65ba2$1d11e760$5df0f4dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century term for cartridge pleats From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:57:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443920BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hiya everyone, > I just read a bit of info that says the term cartridge pleats has it's > roots > in the late 19th century so what is the correct term for the 16th century. > I > know it was gauging in the mid 19th century but do we have a record of > what > it was called prior to that? Have you tried looking at the Juan de Alcega book? There might be a clue in there. But my guess is that trying to name pleats is like trying to name historical dress styles. What we call a "Cranach" dress or a "gothic fitted dress" was most likely just called a "dress" at the time it was worn. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 11:01:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F1Eop017422 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39F16wN024773; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:01:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F0ere072247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F0dh1010387; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39F0ZOU010345 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m249.in-tch.com [216.166.191.249]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k39EpLA01667 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002801c65be7$6181b020$f9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2f8.2b21d5d.316a3559@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:01:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443921B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder blades....) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to cut > up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though every so often > when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > > > > Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 12:13:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDmUC019909 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:13:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39GDeGl024536; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDI5p079465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDGLa056411; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f22.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GDA7t056346 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marquesate@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:13:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [83.105.84.119] X-Originating-Email: [marquesate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marquesate@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "N Kipar" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:13:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2006 16:13:09.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E4AD570:01C65BF0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443932B4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, you have to be a student and you have to be in Higher Education (not Further Education). Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." >From: Robin Netherton >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historic Costume List >Subject: [h-cost] "Patterns of Fashion" award >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:57:32 -0500 (CDT) > > >Someone mentioned this to me: > >http://www.costumesociety.org.uk/newstuff/Awards/patterns.html > >Deadline April 30, but there are so many people here who use these books, >the winning piece might be in an h-costumer's closet already. > >The hitch: If I read this right you have to be a student in a >costume/fashion-related line of study (full or part time). > >--Robin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 12:26:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GQa2x020159 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:26:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39GQTjD029346; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:26:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GQF7p084786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39GQDY4064368; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39GQ8lx064267 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 36786 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2006 16:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2006 16:26:02 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060409171922.01dc0090@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:25:58 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Me and Washington (O.T.mostly) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:26:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443935B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear All I am having a senior moment, and cannot find all my mail on visiting Washington. I have booked the Hotel Harrington, as recommended. We are planning a visit to the DAR Museum, as time is so limited. However, I have had correspondence with several of you, and cannot find all the replies. Doh! Could anyone who wrote, and hoped to be able to meet with us on Friday 23rd, and have supper at the hotel, please contact me off list to make firmer arrangements. If anyone else would like to visit too, please do get in touch. My husband and I will be happy to meet anyone from the list. We would love to be able to invite you as our guests, but I'm afraid it will be every person for him or herself. Thank you - I now return you to your scheduled programme. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 13:14:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HEmFB021493 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:14:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39HEepM015520; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:14:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39H9HbD098482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39H9F9d092089; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39H9BZP092009 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2b0.1a6fa99 (58550) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2b0.1a6fa99.316a99a9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:08:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44394100.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have 2 sets of silk curtains I got at the flea market just to make costumes. I don't know what palatial estate they came from but they are both silk lined with silk and HUGE...lots of yardage. One is a light coffee brown taffeta with a small orange and white stripe...lined in white. The other is a chrome yellow Jacquard with a large scrolling pattern of leaves and flowers...lined in off white. They've been in a box for years....I must take them out and take them apart and have the pieces dry cleaned. Then DO SOMETHING WITH THEM! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 13:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HY6Le021915 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:34:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39HXx96023317; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 13:34:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HXeMC003931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39HXcUC008171; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k39HXZma008107 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCDUTK7A252THS for (sender ); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 10:32:45 -0700 (PST) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LMJJFRYY; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 10:32:27 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:18:33 -0500 Message-ID: <20060409.121833.-1188455.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 2:2:1794619981 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn71GbKf+yaC7e12BuNjVFwHGea0NFmMUcCw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question Regrading Houndstooth Check X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44394587.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was wondering how far back in history one can document the weaving/wearing of houndstooth check? Anybody have any information? Inquiring historical minds want to know! Karen Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 17:08:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L8MnR030577 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k39L8Ewh016902; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L7qno024730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L7hmu045444; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k39L7cl0045394 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 15:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FSh8D-000GmC-8x for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:07:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:06:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains References: <4437E3DF.8010608@reddawn.net> <9e852c493943447030433f3443b4fa27@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9e852c493943447030433f3443b4fa27@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:08:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443977BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Never mind going shopping - it's sitting in restaurants, or town halls, thinking "would they notice if I made away with those curtains?" Jean Susan Data-Samtak wrote >NO ! Absolutely not! > >Susan > >"Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel >too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark >Trail" by Louis L'Amour > >On Apr 8, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Dawn wrote: > >> Am I the only one who goes shopping for new curtains thinking, "And >>when I get tired of these I can use them for costumes!" ? >> >> LOL! >> >> >> Dawn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 20:35:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Zaf9001686 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:35:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A0ZSYq031862; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Yufq044811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Ylqk068417; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A0Yicd068390 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.149] (pm5-149.eos.net [205.133.149.149]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3A0YghB019302 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:34:42 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:22:22 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Curtains X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:35:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439A850.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sue wrote: > Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular > Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... > (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is > an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety > show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a > "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain > outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder > blades....) And then she said, "I saw it in a window and I just couldn't resist." HA HA HA HA HA Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 21:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1f18x002836 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A1er2e025835; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:40:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1d4pT052721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1d1aS007347; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A1cwPT007209 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3A1cpq10268 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:38:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7106DA6B-0D10-47B5-AD0D-4F119DA6228C@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:38:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:40:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439B7A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A friend and were traveling a couple years ago when we walked into our hotel room. We took one look at the curtains and looked at each other then at the curtains, then at each other. I asked her, "Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?" :D It was a gorgeous red velvet with a gold floating thread in the traditional pomegranate pattern. yum! Althea On Apr 9, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Sue wrote: > >> Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a >> particular >> Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... >> (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with >> her, Carol is >> an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of >> variety >> show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they >> did a >> "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's >> curtain >> outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder >> blades....) > > And then she said, "I saw it in a window and I just couldn't resist." > HA HA HA HA HA > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 23:04:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A34bju005201 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:04:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A34TWi028236; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A345BM062760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A33vNJ062642; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A33lx7062454 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.164]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060410030337.PWKR12807.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:03:37 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060409215517.0262a0f0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:03:32 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> References: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Question Regarding Houndstooth Check X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:04:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439CB3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If memory serves, I believe that houndstooth twill is in: North European Textiles Until AD 1000 by Lise Bender Jorgensen. Aarhus Univ Pr (1992), Hardcover ISBN 8772884169 I can check for you tomorrow if needed. Beth At 01:00 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:18:33 -0500 >From: Karen R Bergquist >Subject: [h-cost] Question Regrading Houndstooth Check >To: h-costume@indra.com >Message-ID: <20060409.121833.-1188455.0.penhalion@juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I was wondering how far back in history one can document the >weaving/wearing of houndstooth check? > >Anybody have any information? Inquiring historical minds want to know! > > >Karen >Seamstrix _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 9 23:20:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3KNkN005466 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:20:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A3KFNx002145; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:20:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3JpFT064702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3JokX073072; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A3JYLq072836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3A56ID5022560 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:06:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question Regarding Houndstooth Check Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:25:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060409215517.0262a0f0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060409215517.0262a0f0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604092225.29643.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:20:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439CEEF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 09 April 2006 11:03 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > If memory serves, I believe that houndstooth twill is in: > North European Textiles Until AD 1000 by Lise Bender Jorgensen. Aarhus Univ > Pr (1992), Hardcover ISBN 8772884169 > > I can check for you tomorrow if needed. There's a nice picture of houndstooth in Margrethe Hald's "Ancient Danish Textiles" also. The picture looks as though the check is in a contrasting color (it's a black and white photo), but the text claims that the effect comes from using threads of different spin directions instead (a kind of shadow check effect, I suppose). -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 00:36:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4a4CY006642 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:36:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A4Zup8031382; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4ZEWY073968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4Z4Ct020441; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A4YxEt020376 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:35:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FSo78-0003Jr-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:34:58 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060409232825.036d2160@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:30:16 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> References: <200604091800.k39I0L6g025225@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Curtain Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:35:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439E0AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And I believe it was designed by Bob Mackie, no less!! Sandy At 01:00 PM 4/9/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0600 >From: "Sue Clemenger" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > >Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular >Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago....(For those of you on other >shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is an *amazingly >funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety show on >t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a >"Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain >outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder blades....) >--Sue "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 01:02:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A52hAQ007041 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:02:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A52ZBV009207; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:02:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A52K3b076862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A52JFP036290; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3A52F5X036205 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 76650 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2006 05:02:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sh/o2b8eX9rXp0VDWQnerN/IhhsIHZnAc/niB/jK46x0eouxLNOkUtQB9firkKDyJqfXOLkL9UdlM0fcmSM/iOVnZtjVsBWCinDDZBoMmysVOP3aBn+2vkTC7HqI6v9HVFdEsGv3TkQR25+kzGHTSfFUot6c82+d/ZX2Z4eplkw= ; Message-ID: <20060410050210.76648.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.17.161] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:02:10 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Ruff directions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:02:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4439E6EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I finally have all the materials for my son's Frobisher garb together. Does anybody have a tried and true method of making ruffs that they can recommend? I have found about 5 different methods at various sites online. The one I need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait of Martin Frobisher found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Any and all advice appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 01:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5ZGPk007613 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:35:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A5Z7aX022652; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:35:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5Yqp6079879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5YoMv054588; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5Yl9v054554 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD4A1DE068C; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:29:46 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002801c65c60$7b7aa990$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002801c65be7$6181b020$f9bfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO And her line was something like, "I saw them in the window and I just couldn't resist." -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 8:08 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains Oh, man....suddenly, I'm overcome with the memory of watching a particular Carol Burnett sketch, many years ago.... (For those of you on other shores who may not be familiar with her, Carol is an *amazingly funny* American comedian, who used to have a sort of variety show on t.v., with a wonderful ensemble cast. At one point, they did a "Gone with the Wind" sendup, and Carol wore a spoof of Scarlett's curtain outfit....complete with curtain rod sticking out past her shoulder blades....) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains > > In a message dated 4/9/2006 3:46:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I am dying to > cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, though > every so often > when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I could make! > > > > > Shades of Scarlett O'Hara! > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 02:55:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6t2t0021219 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:55:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3A6ssmv022537; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:54:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6rMtN086861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6rEHZ099448; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A6r8cs099371 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3A6r0bJ028884 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:53:00 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.93.1] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.1]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3A6qgRp120544 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:53:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060409232507.03af2088@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:31:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions In-Reply-To: <20060410050210.76648.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A013E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >The one I >need to make should replicate the ruff in the portrait >of Martin Frobisher found here: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the wiki page. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 07:19:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJDk5012791 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:19:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ABJ5QP004844; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABIWkV065187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:18:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABISwL061194; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5KVB4046680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-8-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.8]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3A5KTMm020055 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:20:30 +1000 Message-ID: <01a101c65c5e$7c765990$08daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:20:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:19:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A3F29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question > Hey all, > > I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working on my > Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the marriage > question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth getting? How is the > storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my money better spent on a > different movie of a similar time frame? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this. > > Kimiko Well I remember watching it a few years ago but I only remember bits (my friend who was watching it with me wasn't interested and distracted me) unfortunately it was before I started researching Tudor clothing so I can't give an opinion on the costumes. But an image search using the title turned up this page http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product.asp?sku=149316&master_movie_id=2499&MGAID=U7JD1194 they seem to have got the overall lines right but you can't see the details. If you're interested in Tudor films I found a pretty comprehensive list here http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/TudorsMoviesTV.htm Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 07:20:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABK97B012950 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ABJx2s031582; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJnA4065317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJmif062043; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing2.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A747Vh006217 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id AE40518001B3 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:04:02 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Apr 2006 07:04:02 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C5030CA0AF; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:04:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:04:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Received: from [149.169.241.127] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:04:02 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.127 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060410070402.C5030CA0AF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3A747Vh006217 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A3F5F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathleen wrote: > > > What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! > Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72" lengths). Their > other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice > Regency. Have gotten a sample of their cotton lawn? It is not quite sheer enough to read through, but it isn't far off. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 07:20:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABKBuA012961 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ABK3NL008996; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJTnl065276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ABJTWq061834; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3A5X1cf053541 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 23:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ACE07F6046C; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 05:28:00 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] curtains Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c65c60$3c02a560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1bf.1c9195c.316a78bc@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Cost Plus has nice cotton curtains. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 7:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains In a message dated 4/9/2006 8:23:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: What a great idea! Restoration Hardware and Pier One both had really nice Indian cotton panels a few years ago--sheer with a heavier thread woven in. Four 84" panels were plenty for a Regency dress. They don't seem to carry them any more. Got a set from Target last year--they are okay, but not as good a quality as the others (of course, they were a lot cheaper, too). But I guess quality varied significantly during the era, too. Didn't Jane Austen complain in one of her letters that if you buy the cheap muslin, it falls apart in washing? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 08:54:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACsQgN016116 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:54:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ACsInj021964; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:54:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACrk93075506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACrhjq025051; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ACrd9D024964 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A54C0250; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:53:32 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 10 Apr 2006 08:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c65c9e$1b183fc0$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060410070402.C5030CA0AF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:55:52 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:54:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A557A.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have used this one. It was the best that I could find for the project. Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > Kathleen wrote: > > > > > > What a great idea! I am always having trouble finding cotton shear enough! > > Dharma carries the right weight, but only in sarongs (72" lengths). Their > > other cottons are quite wonderful, but heavier than one needs for a nice > > Regency. > > Have gotten a sample of their cotton lawn? It is not quite sheer enough to read through, but it isn't far off. > > -Katie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:06:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6wBZ019466 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:06:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AE6oUZ006519; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6NnZ089887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:06:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6LtL082934; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:ya34FR+1IauHJhwWityQVj/JZqMJbLTN@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AE6H04082847 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:06:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.115] (206-124-5-115.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.115]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3AE37w03859 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:03:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01a101c65c5e$7c765990$08daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060405160302.0365a388@64.87.54.245> <01a101c65c5e$7c765990$08daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:07:12 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A667A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I loved the movie. It is well worth watching. Can't remember how the costumes were though. Sylrog On Apr 9, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 9:07 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII movie question > > >> Hey all, >> >> I am thinking of getting a movie, A Man For All Seasons >> (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060665/), to watch while I am working >> on my Henrician gown. Our Henry VIII faires are often set during the >> marriage question. But I have never seen the movie. Is it worth >> getting? How is the storyline? How good/bad are the costumes? Is my >> money better spent on a different movie of a similar time frame? >> >> Thanks for any thoughts on this. >> >> Kimiko > > Well I remember watching it a few years ago but I only remember bits > (my friend who was watching it with me wasn't interested and > distracted me) unfortunately it was before I started researching Tudor > clothing so I can't give an opinion on the costumes. But an image > search using the title turned up this page > http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_product.asp? > sku=149316&master_movie_id=2499&MGAID=U7JD1194 they seem to have got > the overall lines right but you can't see the details. > If you're interested in Tudor films I found a pretty comprehensive > list here http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Documents/TudorsMoviesTV.htm > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:18:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEIqkT019728 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:18:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AEIjDV014398; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:18:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEI98a091628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEI52O093007; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEHxwl092920 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so1197589pyc for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mQKQe5yO1a9hJIeNGcpNjjuUvOv6Oj1V46Y6AkhRKFSxojM2gVCsB527sNmr31CLtlM5G9C0dnPHEAHWI9nTuz0Iloj8VOjinvHpmsC5JcTz8pX7cuj8ZsupJYUwW9sfVeWZEo6a531Yuwm+BVxNkCC6KsoANny3OiM0bGbzwf4= Received: by 10.35.51.6 with SMTP id d6mr2373938pyk; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604100717o1d045818x87085db3d406049a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:17:56 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Curtains In-Reply-To: <4addbe7c0380f55debab0b6e0e324785@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060409074559.61220.qmail@web27310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <4addbe7c0380f55debab0b6e0e324785@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3AEHxwl092920 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:18:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A6945.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A few years ago when I needed a mermaid costume, I looked at my bedroom curtains, which needed replacing anyway, and had a Scarlett O'Hara moment. The fabric was blue with a fan shape pattern, which when turned upside down created a perfect fishscale motif. It became a very effective fish tail skirt.... Katy On 4/9/06, Susan Data-Samtak wrote: > A friend had red curtains that were beginning to fade from the sun. > She replaced them but couldn't part with the fabric. Opportunity > knocked. She made a Wooden Soldier Costume for a Christmas Parade from > them. > > As one of our members says-"Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle > Neatness" Carol H. > > Susan > > On Apr 9, 2006, at 3:45 AM, Jayne Thomas wrote: > > > Hi! Dawn > > > > I will put my hand up and admit that I am the same! I have even > > bought a pair of second hand curtains to make into an Elizabethan > > costume - I had little to spend on fabric, as Christmas was coming up. > > The same costume had what was a luxury bedding sheet as the skirt > > contrast! I have a pair of red velvet curtains in my lounge which I > > am dying to cut up, but I won't as it belonged to my late Grandmother, > > though every so often when I open them, I imagine the Elizabethan I > > could make! > > > > All the best > > Jayne > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:35:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEZDZr020290 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AEZ5In025320; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEYhEj094141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEYfV1007529; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEYbaw007453 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27138 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:34:34 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Jean Hunnisett Dress Thread-Index: AcZZABKIydS9O5h8R56+TrgdwKJsAADqJPRQ From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3AEYbaw007453 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A6D19.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jame: When I did the Eleanor of Toledo dress in Janet Arnold for myself, I doubled the size of the pattern to 1/4" scale first. I only dress dolls, so this was a big project for me. Then I went to my fabric store, checked all the costumes to find one or more patterns with pattern piece(s) close to the Hunnisett diagrams. I then fitted the bodice pieces of the two commercial patterns to me and then using the Hunnisett diagrams as guide, altered and recut them using sew in interfacing(lies much nicer on fabric than the commerical tissue paper. In some cases, using commercial pattern pieces for fit, allowed me to keep some of the grainlines and notches/balance marks. You may have some luck in enlarging the Hunisett bodice diagram which is already larger than the usual 1/8=1" to roughly fit your daughter. I would put your daughter in all undergarments she is to wear first. However I did cheat on the Eleanor of Toledo dress(which I'm going to alter to make more accurate). Because our Nebraska/Iowa Renfaires can be hot and steamy and subject to sudden downpours, I built the Elizabethan corset right into the bodice. The original dress laces on the side backs, so this allows me to loosen/tighten the fit for weather and weight loss/gain. You could alter the 1569 dress bodice to allow for this. I worked all the eyelets by hand using large jewerly jump rings on either side of each hole made with an awl and covering rings and reinforcing each hole with a button hole stitch. Time consuming but worth it. But since your daughter is a growing girl, metal eyelets would work. Also put grow tucks in the skirt, and pleat it to the waistband deeply enough to allow for horizontal growth. Make the bodice separate and alter the shoulder straps so they can be extended for growth, if you wish. Elizabethan clothes are great as they were designed to be in pieces to mix and match. I hope this is a rewarding project for you both! Your daughter in bound to become quite a little expert in knowing how many pieces of clothing children "way back when" had to wear! Cindy Abel Hi! I would like to make the 1569 Elizabethan dress (or something near as possible!) that is illustrated on page 63 (the one in the middle of the group) of 'Patterns for Women's Dress 1500-1800 for my nearly four year daughter. Yes, I'm being very ambitious here! The thing is, how would scale the pattern (on page 68 onwards) to fit her? Am I being a bit too ambitious?! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 10:35:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEZKHf020293 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AEZC5i018124; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEXAXO093858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEX8TN006160; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AEX5SG006050 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2b8.8395e9b (32915) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2b8.8395e9b.316bc692@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:32:50 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Re:Curtains To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A6D20.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My theatre studies exam costume was made out of two pairs of curtains from a charity shop. Brown velvet and yellow brocade. Cost three pounds a pair. (Got extra marks for being 'cost aware'). Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 11:50:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AFoWfc022383 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:50:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AFoOjL015850; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:50:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AFnifn007971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AFnepC080665; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3AFnc4I080533 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 15567 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2006 15:49:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P83KvXiXnxjt+1cmVlhLc3pUwdGIskKfn1TlYfi7JGT+synF1OxX6NbSQURKwTz0UXDUCxosvzMC+yW3hVFi8YBt23y4oGD6k1ZWQ/6ST2Lf3dzjzqESYcw5IOB3Anoz/RS/gAuB91o+98S0dNPGJKoR8XqBgPk+lxyEcnn/zbA= ; Message-ID: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.17.161] by web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:49:32 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060409232507.03af2088@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A7EC0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Should be right on that page on the righthand side. He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason it still doesn't come up you could try the Google image search. It is the only full length portrait of him. Rebecca --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >The one I > >need to make should replicate the ruff in the > portrait > >of Martin Frobisher found here: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher > > Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the > wiki page. > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 12:42:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGgP4d024020 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AGgHH2016881; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGfnqA017889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:41:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGfTOg032657; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGfFdd032209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3AGetFO001955 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:40:55 -0500 Message-ID: <443A5265.1000505@wideopenwest.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:09 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dharma Trading wants fabric suggestions! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443A8AE9.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's our chance, folks, to help Dharma Trading carry some really costume-worthy fabrics! Michelle "Expanding Our Fabric Collection Attention fabric lovers! We are continuing to expand our selection of fabrics aiming for a 'plethora' of fabrics instead of our current 'lots and lots'. To that end, we are asking you, our most valued and esteemed customers (who are also very intelligent and shockingly good looking, by the way) to weigh in on what new fabrics you would like to see us add. Wool fabrics? Bamboo fabrics? Fabrics woven from the back hair of a yeti, perhaps? Whatever! Please send any suggestions to the following e-mail address and we will consider all your ideas. fabricideas@dharmatrading.com" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 14:36:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIaWS2027599 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:36:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AIaOYE021888; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIZr4P037067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIZiYq044755; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AIZQZ7044522 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3AIZWYA001939 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:35:33 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.93.1] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.1]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.4 outbound domainkey aix/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3AIZEEe017402 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:35:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060410111338.036788c8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:35:04 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions In-Reply-To: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20060409232507.03af2088@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:36:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AA5A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Should be right on that page on the righthand side. >He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason >it still doesn't come up you could try the Google >image search. It is the only full length portrait of >him. With a gun in his hand, right? I've seen the portrait, but couldn't get to it by the wiki page. Conventional wisdom says to knife pleat the ruff material then like cartridge pleat it to the neck band piece. This produces a "mill wheel" ruff, like the ones in the 16th century and painted by folks like Reubens, but does not produce a ruff like Frobisher wears. The best example of Frobisher's kind of ruff is found in portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots. In some of these you can see the same ruff from the side as well as from straight on to the edge, since the shirt with the ruff on it is worn open at the neck. These Mary portraits show the ruff material gathered super-tightly at the inner edges and coaxed into the shape we recognize at the outer edges. The inner edge of these ruffs is narrow, and you can see this inner-edge narrowness in some other portraits showing ruff-wearers. Compare this inner-edge narrowness with the inner-edge thickness of the later ruffs and you'll see what I mean. Compare also the way the artist paints the inside of the pleats of the ruff. In the earlier ones the insides scrunch up to nothing, while in the later ones the insides make flat vertical pleats. Compare also the angle at which the two kinds of ruff sit relative to the body, especially at the wrists. The "mill-wheel" kinds sit perpendicular to their nearest body part, while the earlier ones sit at an angle to them. Try the two methods out in sample pieces and compare them. Also remember that these ruffs were held stiff as cardboard by the use of starch. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 16:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AKKUNY030679 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AKKMrk032304; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AKJcEA056751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AKJPWM051558; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50212.mail.yahoo.com (web50212.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3AKJM5m051428 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 74763 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2006 20:19:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eNud/sLah7NWVLGEZUB+cS8UmNg4NP/hwZtZjJjqdWA3r1vxMfeeBTyqYItmpH2QD8k9gSyTvCwS1ifXH1Fp2uVbIjTJgzqPZkasKIZ8daD3kXN6oo4nsmGZzUja6gGo9l7mADZUarXAGWpLT8FomUjTPL3O5l2OokdC8Nj2dkU= ; Message-ID: <20060410201917.74761.qmail@web50212.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.148.43.79] by web50212.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:19:17 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Leslie Mundy To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604071642.k37GgAIG039004@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wool Disaster!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ABE06.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. I had some luck with stretching out a wool knit sweater that had inadvertently gone through the washer and dryer. Put it in a bath of warm salt water, then stretch it out as best you can. Once it's stretched, block it and let it dry. When you're stretching it, remember to stretch for width as well as length. If you can find something suitable, put some sort of stretcher (tubular) in the sleeves so they get back their width during the stretch. Good luck! --Leslie > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:10:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Galadriel Lothlorien > > Subject: [h-cost] Wool Disaster!! > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > <20060407011057.30771.qmail@web32911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > A cashmere(?) knit, silk-lined Valentino coat was > brought into my shop today. A very sweet old lady's > maid had tried to wash it for her. Suffice it to > say, the coat is now 15" shorter than the lining!! > It hasn't been dried, and is still damp. > > ANYONE have any suggestions? We were thinking of > keeping it wet and trying to stretch it out as best > we can using some weights (chain?). Obviously the > garment is a loss if it doesn't work so we're > welcome to try any method at all to make it any > better... because we can't make it much worse! I'm > just not sure if the fact that it's knit makes it > any more possible to save. > > Thanks, > --Rachel > Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... "Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane." http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 17:26:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQssY032667 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ALQk3Y005780; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQSwt066470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQHH4016390; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay101-dav15.bay101.hotmail.com [64.4.56.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALQBmh016269 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:26:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY101-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:26:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:25:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2006 21:26:07.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[616D7F70:01C65CE5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:26:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ACD96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is that the ruff with the inner layer and outter layer? We had a discussion some time ago about how to make that special ruff. We all came to the conclusion that it took at least 3 layers of fabric. 2 lighter weight outer layers and 1 thinker inner layer. Make the usual ruff, then mold the lighter weight outer layers inward to form the details inside the larger ruff loops. Pulling the lighter weight fabric edge to the center created the small heart shaped deep-inside loops. That is as best I can describe how to do it... if that is the same ruff we talked about earlier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions > Should be right on that page on the righthand side. > He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason > it still doesn't come up you could try the Google > image search. It is the only full length portrait of > him. > Rebecca > > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >> >The one I >> >need to make should replicate the ruff in the >> portrait >> >of Martin Frobisher found here: >> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher >> >> Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the >> wiki page. >> >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows >> dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian >> www.FunStuft.com >> >> ///\\\\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> )(( <> ))( >> * ) ( * >> /----\ /---\ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 17:49:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALnft2001078 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ALnX3a017045; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:49:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALn6TQ070307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ALmHfR037848; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AGOEmW014641 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3AGOBBR024037 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007a01c65cbb$339b3fd0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060410154932.15565.qmail@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:24:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:49:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AD2ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Martin_Frobisher_by_Ketel.jpg When the page came up, there was no image, but there was a link. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions > Should be right on that page on the righthand side. > He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason > it still doesn't come up you could try the Google > image search. It is the only full length portrait of > him. > Rebecca > > --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> >> >The one I >> >need to make should replicate the ruff in the >> portrait >> >of Martin Frobisher found here: >> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Frobisher >> >> Where's the portrait? I couldn't find it on the >> wiki page. >> >> >> CarolynKayta Barrows >> dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian >> www.FunStuft.com >> >> ///\\\\\ >> ////-@@\\\ >> (((( 7 ))) >> )(( <> ))( >> * ) ( * >> /----\ /---\ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 18:58:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMwtwc003019 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3AMwl7d016899; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMwIdJ083531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMw239003492; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3AMvwXI003369 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:57:53 -0700 Message-ID: <443AE2FF.8060808@msn.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:58:07 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2006 22:57:53.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[33279170:01C65CF2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Welt pocket wonders X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AE327.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you have ever been intimidated by making welt pockets, Threads issue 122 has a solution. I have tried many welt pocket techniques over the years, and this works beautifully. It uses a silk organza facing and fabric glue (yes....). Try it, you'll like it! It completely takes the mystery and challenge away! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 19:36:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANa4Ss004280 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:36:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ANZuEo001844; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANZfNJ088558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANZd7S034753; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ANZZ1b034695 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [68.236.248.91]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c65cf7$75ddb760$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060330184615.03567668@64.87.54.245> <000b01c6548a$9586d760$a0399b04@HELENPINTO> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need roommate for Hartford Symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:35:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443AEBDC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, Sue Shatto Sue@VictorianMillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick, MD 21701 www.victorianmillinery.com 301-694-8950 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:03:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B332X5010188 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:03:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B32stU002117; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:02:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B32TTi011585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B32MaN091180; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B32IrR091118 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB0D90E0554; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:57:17 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Ruff directions Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:02:21 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c65d14$5a41d230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060410111338.036788c8@mail.frys.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO For a ruff that looks ok, but isn't made period, cartridge pleat grosgrain ribbon onto a flat neckband. The ribbon is stiff enough to hold shape. You may have to stitch the points where each loop touches another. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions >Should be right on that page on the righthand side. >He's wearing a buttery tan outfit. If for some reason >it still doesn't come up you could try the Google >image search. It is the only full length portrait of >him. With a gun in his hand, right? I've seen the portrait, but couldn't get to it by the wiki page. Conventional wisdom says to knife pleat the ruff material then like cartridge pleat it to the neck band piece. This produces a "mill wheel" ruff, like the ones in the 16th century and painted by folks like Reubens, but does not produce a ruff like Frobisher wears. The best example of Frobisher's kind of ruff is found in portraits of Mary, Queen of Scots. In some of these you can see the same ruff from the side as well as from straight on to the edge, since the shirt with the ruff on it is worn open at the neck. These Mary portraits show the ruff material gathered super-tightly at the inner edges and coaxed into the shape we recognize at the outer edges. The inner edge of these ruffs is narrow, and you can see this inner-edge narrowness in some other portraits showing ruff-wearers. Compare this inner-edge narrowness with the inner-edge thickness of the later ruffs and you'll see what I mean. Compare also the way the artist paints the inside of the pleats of the ruff. In the earlier ones the insides scrunch up to nothing, while in the later ones the insides make flat vertical pleats. Compare also the angle at which the two kinds of ruff sit relative to the body, especially at the wrists. The "mill-wheel" kinds sit perpendicular to their nearest body part, while the earlier ones sit at an angle to them. Try the two methods out in sample pieces and compare them. Also remember that these ruffs were held stiff as cardboard by the use of starch. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:04:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B34ms3010201 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:04:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B34eCM001418; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B34STi011751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B34SRg092687; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3B34PSV092595 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from susannaheanes@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90912 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 03:04:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xmtWMoxYH/AfP11/z6mnUPS85e6Ft23j6COuLNBz9uRtaPmkt5WprRBLC268wBefJGz3j7mF/0wZFWm7cQeOBD3DO8mzC6yg5D7yJo36xKcFAkTIQnz+8oZ7DkXuEj36tpHLO96cQ7m6h2eLM6NuyHaazNhtI4JjWSif3cjIIuY= ; Message-ID: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.152.138.136] by web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:04:20 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: susannah eanes To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B1CC8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a "hernia" on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any & all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:15:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3FO87010519 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:15:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3FGHd007450; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3F1hd012802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3Exei000682; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3B3Et3t000604 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 24607 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 03:14:42 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:14:42 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38107.162.119.64.110.1144725327.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:15:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B1F44.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the > characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was > superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking > with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly > passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three > cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just > used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared > style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't > work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the > fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. > She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on > stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a > "hernia" on her left side. > > Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone > give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape > suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with > heat? > > Thanks for any & all suggestions. > > Blessings, > Susannah > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:23:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NeXe010553 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3NWZO010647; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NHnI013710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NFQv006955; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3NCMu006914 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.90] (acty2090.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.90]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB445CA95 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <443B2116.3060704@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:02 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ruff directions References: <004a01c65d14$5a41d230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <004a01c65d14$5a41d230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B2134.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, All. For excellent ruff info, I regard Lisa Sinervo's site www.thrednedlestrete.com as being quite useful. She has done considerable research into creating a working setup for starching ruffs and has considerable knowledge as to their construction. I also know that Ninya and Jane have done so much work in the area that they would also be a great source for info. Between the two, I don't think you can go wrong...Cheers, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:39:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3d544010721 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:39:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3cv5f016655; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3ceGV015434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3ccaX018279; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3cZJM018236 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.90] (acty2090.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.90]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2F75C849 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <443B24B3.3010007@dandy.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:38:27 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress References: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B24D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. Was the issue the weight or the breathability of the garment? If weight, you can get inflatable bags from your local stationary supply (Staples, etc.), used for shipping padding, and make a bodyform where the bags are taped in. If you do this make sure none of the plastic is on her skin, it gets hot and sweaty. If the heat is an issue, remember that insulation results where there is a place for air to accumulate and warm. You can probably find some modern materials that are good at wicking out moisture (sweat), but heat, esp. under theatrical lights, is another thing. Best to do is have her rehearse in it to become acclimatized, and make sure she is in it as little as necessary. Handheld or table fans while offstage are helpful, as are cooling cloths (alcohol evaporates faster than water, BTW) and keep her head uncovered if at all possible. Clothing should be light colored to avoid absorbing heat radiation and, of course, lightweight natural materials are better than synthetics that do not breathe. Anything more will probably require a complex, expensive cooling system unless you can make some sort of balloon suit with a fan in it that both swells out the body and cools it...sort of being inside a Macy's Thanksgiving Day balloon. Hmmm, this might be workable, something to think about....Cheers, Mike T. (now thinking about computer fans and DC power sources, hehehehehehe!) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 10 23:42:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gpl5010737 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B3ghKU018269; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gSAf015841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gRNj021321; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B3gOJH021231 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IXJ00H25GYFKR10@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:14 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress In-reply-to: <38107.162.119.64.110.1144725327.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:42:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B25B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a tough one, but maybe cotton batting would work better because cotton breathes, polyester does not. If you "build" your shape using a cotton T-shirt as a base, layering your batting,to get the proper shape, it won't shift much and you can make it look very realistic. It will be flexible, also. Then tack all the together with large running stitches through all the layers. Then put another (larger ) T shirt over all the layers . tack again, and also stitch around arms, hem, neck to keep everything closed-- and you have a 1 piece garment that she can put on over her head. You could also split the back and add ties or hooks or velcro for closures... Just a thought. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress > Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the > characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was > superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking > with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly > passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three > cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just > used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared > style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't > work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the > fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. > She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on > stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a > "hernia" on her left side. > > Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone > give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape > suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with > heat? > > Thanks for any & all suggestions. > > Blessings, > Susannah > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 01:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5Mu6V012275 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B5MmsO024323; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5MAUx026463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5M1Uc090701; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B5LxZB090620 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 3841F1800130 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:21:53 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 11 Apr 2006 05:21:53 -0000 Received: by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2AF373384B; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:21:53 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:21:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Received: from [149.169.241.80] by ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:21:53 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.80 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3B5LxZB090620 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 01:22:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B3D28.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathleen wrote: > Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of > That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 05:34:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9Y2pC020375 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:34:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B9Xr5Y013872; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9XNSf061455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9XIri047982; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3B9XE8c047908 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 6665 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 09:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 09:33:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:33:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B7801.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 05:36:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9afUS021025 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B9aXNv014980; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9aPc5062213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9aOXL049855; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3B9aLXQ049810 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ef.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.239]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 312D4A50029 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:36:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:36:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:36:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B78A1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn finished? Anyway here´s a link: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 06:09:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BA8uD3028611 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BA8mK5028042; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BA8VTt070146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BA8Unm069791; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BA8PhD069697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5194 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 10:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 10:08:20 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411110629.01e18a50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:08:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. In-Reply-To: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3BA8PhD069697 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B8030.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:36 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Im trying to make the stays with the laced >stomacher 1740-50. I found a lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. >The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you >think they were just sewn finished? >Anyway here´s a link: >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > >Bjarne These stays work fine if they are laced. See the ones on my web site from the same pattern. I don't know about these particular ones in real life, but all the other stays I have looked at are laced. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=1750_corset.jpg Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 06:19:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJjGH029579 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:19:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BAJcL5032103; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJNK4071207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJL52076466; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BAJHTM076429 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:19:14 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO It's difficult to tell from the line drawing. Do you have access to a photo of the original stays? I would hazzard to guess, that with the rounded tip to the strap, that the artist was looking at a laced strap, just didn't draw in the eyelet. By the way, it looks fabulous! Where do you get the wiessner boning? I'd love to try some for my next stays. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:36 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > Hi, > Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a > lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. > The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn > finished? > Anyway here´s a link: > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:09:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC9eie015101 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:09:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BC9XRY014845; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:09:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC8v7G080996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC8mTu045851; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC8jtx045728 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AC4501EC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:08:37 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Apr 2006 08:08:34 -0400 Message-ID: <005001c65d61$05c14180$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:11:09 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:09:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443B9C7D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Rowena used to have a small iron with a removable reservoir. I know Greenberg and Hammer carry the commercial steamer. Also other 'Shop'supplies. If she goes online she will find more sources than she has time to search. Perhaps starting with eBay?... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 5:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source > > Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a > separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find > one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I > have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen > (which is more than I do!) > > Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate > machining!!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:57:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvKxX015433 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCvCHA005899; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCuprV085194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCui2k078322; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCuf7n078214 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.31f.242fbdb (15703) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r15 (mblk-r15.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.206]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57443ba780218; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:35 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82B7E800C1135-5E4-19B@mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:56:35 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17281 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There were 2 or 3 models advertised a couple of years ago in one of my quilting magazines, but for the life of me I can't remember at the moment which one. But check Quilting Today that one seems to stick in my head. Hope this helps. theresa -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:33:08 +0100 Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCw32X015440 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCvtCg020710; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvh6i085293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvhHH079122; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav5.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BADplQ073287 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:13:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:13:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:13:49 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2006 10:13:50.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[A104EFE0:01C65D50] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:57:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7D3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greenberg and Hammer in New York city carry all kinds of tailoring equipment like irons and such. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source > > Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a > separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. > Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a > Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more > than I do!) > > Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate > machining!!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwNfk015449 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCwG5N009122; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCw0mD085332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCvxA1079379; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BC3O7T042390 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB050244; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:03:17 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 Apr 2006 08:03:04 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c65d60$40de6c80$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:05:38 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7E8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got it too, but haven't had time to reply.Can do it later today! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > Kathleen wrote: > > > Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of > > That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... > > Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. > > -Katie > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 08:58:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwY8D015455 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BCwRcq027830; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwAHJ085366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCwAAb079533; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BCrwcw076255 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.306.28ab294 (16097) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r15 (mblk-r15.mblk.aol.com [152.163.211.206]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1443ba6d5237; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:45 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82B7E1A99CBD7-5E4-16B@mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r15.sysops.aol.com (152.163.211.206) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:53:45 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <20060411052153.2AF373384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17281 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.211.206 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BA7F3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Went to the Daarma site yesterday and asked for light weight wool, had to go to Hancocks to pick up tapestry needles for some needlepoint I was working on and they had some really nice 100% light weight wool, only a couple of pieces that could be period but since I hadn't bought new fabric in almost a month bought all they had that was period. Talk about luck theresa -----Original Message----- From: Katie Lewis To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:21:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains Kathleen wrote: > Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt of > That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to email them. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default. asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 09:45:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDji73015836 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BDjamV031864; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDj81d089796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDj2in013628; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BDiwW9013565 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 53732402 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:27:14 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: <02d701c65d6e$2930d650$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Thread-Index: AcZdSzkvC/i7eo2EQVicAbVYxgWNgAAItO5g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 129, in=186, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:45:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BB300.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a very nice Euro-Pro with separate reservoir. I got it at Jo-Anne Fabrics. I've also seen them on line. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 10:10:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEAu1q016059 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:10:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BEAm4a013126; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEAW47093025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEATcX034704; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEAQiR034649 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5529.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0434EA5002D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:10:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c65d71$b5f94e20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > It's difficult to tell from the line drawing. Do you have access to a > photo of the original stays? I would hazzard to guess, that with the > rounded tip to the strap, that the artist was looking at a laced strap, > just didn't draw in the eyelet. > > By the way, it looks fabulous! Where do you get the wiessner boning? I'd > love to try some for my next stays. > > Kelly Hi Kelly, Well i ordered directly from the firm in Germany. You got to take 250 meters of it, but i wouldnt mind because i use it a lot. I have heard that there are usa importers, but i dont know who, sorry..... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 10:20:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKmru016128 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:20:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BEKeDV019436; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKIdZ094629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKHCn043396; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BEKDW0043339 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5529.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.41]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 024C1FAC051 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:20:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002301c65d73$156d61b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411110629.01e18a50@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO Hi Suzi, How nice to see it live! Thanks for posting it, yours is very nice, lovely collours two. Do you like the shape it gives? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > At 10:36 11/04/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a >>lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. >>The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn >>finished? >>Anyway here´s a link: >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >> >>Bjarne > > > > These stays work fine if they are laced. See the ones on my web site from > the same pattern. I don't know about these particular ones in real life, > but all the other stays I have looked at are laced. > > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=1750_corset.jpg > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 10:29:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BETfGi016209 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:29:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BETYHi025122; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BET2uB096048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BET06Z050930; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BESrbf050787 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67209 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 14:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 14:28:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411152634.01e0bdf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. 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Status: RO At 15:20 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >How nice to see it live! >Thanks for posting it, yours is very nice, lovely collours two. >Do you like the shape it gives? It works very well for the period. But it is very period specific and would not be suitable for all 18th century stuff. You can of course make it either with or without the separate stomacher.. I have a Hunnisett version of the pattern which is what I used, (not exactly as in her book,) and which is without the separate stomacher. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 14:44:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIiBj7019805 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:44:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BIi4vM025941; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIhLoe049715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIhCM7086500; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:43:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIfdiA085445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:42:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3BIfUs3018939 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:41:38 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52751.72.13.239.193.1144780898.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BF8F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Bjarne, I'm trying to remember if I've seen any extant 18thC stays, with straps, that were not tied. Tying them seems to be the normal thing to do. Has anyone seen originals with solid straps? The pattern looks to me like it's two different pieces where the strap meets the front, not sewn together. I think they just did not bother to draw in the eyelets for the lacing. Also it seems that when stays have lacing in the front and back, women in the 18thC would lace the back when putting them on, and the front would stay as is. But that's not the way we do it today, because if we have the convenience of the front lacing we want to use it! Here is why the straps work better when laced: Generally we put the stays on and they hang from the shoulders as we lace them up. But then I discover the shoulder straps are loose. So I think the purpose of the lacing on the straps was to snug them to a better fit once the stays are laced. The best way to wear them is to loosen the straps a bit, lace the stays, and then tighten the straps. And be sure the lady puts on shoes and does her hair before putting on stays! So definitely make the straps with a lacing, and a length that does allows for some adjustment as Suzi did them. -Carol > Hi, > Im trying to make the stays with the laced stomacher 1740-50. I found a > lovely silk brocade for this in a period collour. > The pattern has not laced shouder pieces. Do you think they were just sewn > finished? > Anyway here´s a link: > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 14:55:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BItdWw020040 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BItWY1001314; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIoD9N051149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIo7ii092864; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BIo1q5092729 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.225]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id ACBA0FAC081 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c65d98$bcf5b7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <52751.72.13.239.193.1144780898.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:50:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:55:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BFBA4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hello Carol, Many thanks for your informations, ill keep this in mind, and ill pass along the tips to my client. Oh yes i had another question. Do you think i should use a linnen binding for the tabs and the bustline, straps? Thanks again. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. > Hi Bjarne, > > I'm trying to remember if I've seen any extant 18thC stays, with > straps, that were not tied. Tying them seems to be the normal thing > to do. Has anyone seen originals with solid straps? > > The pattern looks to me like it's two different pieces where the > strap meets the front, not sewn together. I think they just did not > bother to draw in the eyelets for the lacing. > > Also it seems that when stays have lacing in the front and back, > women in the 18thC would lace the back when putting them on, and the > front would stay as is. But that's not the way we do it today, > because if we have the convenience of the front lacing we want to use > it! > > Here is why the straps work better when laced: Generally we put the > stays on and they hang from the shoulders as we lace them up. But > then I discover the shoulder straps are loose. So I think the > purpose of the lacing on the straps was to snug them to a better fit > once the stays are laced. The best way to wear them is to loosen the > straps a bit, lace the stays, and then tighten the straps. And be > sure the lady puts on shoes and does her hair before putting on > stays! > > So definitely make the straps with a lacing, and a length that does > allows for some adjustment as Suzi did them. > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 15:08:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ81fO020357 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BJ7rri009287; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ7Cab054494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ79FB009568; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJ6qEn009348 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.147]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060411190641.DSNP12807.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:06:41 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060411135813.02610a30@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:06:38 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [h-cost] Henry VIII book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443BFE89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO There is a new book coming out later this year that sounds pretty good. Beth Matney Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward. Maney Pub. (2006). Clothbound with full colour dustjacket, ca 384 pages with ca 150 b&w and 30 colour illustrations. ISBN 1 904350 70 4. http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 "Henry VIII used his wardrobe, and that of his family and household, as a way of expressing his wealth and magnificence. This book will encompass the first detailed study of male and female dress worn at the court of Henry VIII (1509-47) and will cover the dress of the king and his immediate family, the royal household and the broader court circle consisting of the nobility and clergy. Evidence will be drawn primarily from the Great Wardrobe accounts, wardrobe warrants, and inventories, and it will be interpreted using evidence from narrative sources, paintings, drawings and surviving garments. Key areas for consideration will include the cut and construction of garments, materials and colours, the function of livery and the hierarchy of dress amongst the social elite, and the network of craftsmen and merchants working for the court. " Maria Hayward (FSA, Reader in Textile Conservation, University of Southampton, UK) is also Assistant Editor of Costume - Journal of The Costume Society _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 15:18:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJI5sV020804 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BJHvYB016374; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJGRRc056282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJGOSt018773; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:16:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BJGJ3c018659 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55e1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.225]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EEDAE262878 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:16:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:16:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] spiral lacing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C00E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Have any of you ever seen extra tapes sewed to the top and bottom center backs, for tying on if you use spiral lacing? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 17:34:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BLYJTE023471 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:34:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BLYA0w000744; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BLSLYO077986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BLS8we042528; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BKaEkq093365 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 35461 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 20:35:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WewXq0DpkQ2faxYyeyKWMz8ilhxQ2G3XD5U86/KWpqatCkdbQpP70VobyLKs1nSBO9S7G1E95W3jyHwHqJ4TDmKgPBd+UWGSOseaDUaaCu9LHJJEVl9D2EJTfGZASBJJ0/2OmVGKq2K/p1jOredAgJwmZt0Aj3U8QQkW6odbERY= ; Message-ID: <20060411203543.35458.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:35:43 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Subject: [h-cost] Wanting some pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:34:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C20D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings, I am gathering together information for a new project that some photography would greatly benefit from. I was hoping some sympathetic soul somewhere close to Manchester Square, London would be willing to do a quick (of course, if allowed) photo tour of the Wallace Collection for a particular cast collar. I have emailed Hertford House, and received no response to my request for more information regarding this item. I am at this point assuming the object (The "Archer's Guild Collar" is the object of my interest) is still in their collection and on display at Hertford House. If anyone in the London UK area is willing to take a few photos, email me offlist, and I will give you more details. Thanks, Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it. -Ivan Panin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On ebay: http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=premiereprops5 Includes items from Chicago, Dracula, Gangs of New York, Shakespeare in Love, and more. Unfortunately a lot of it ends tonight, but you should be able to search completed auctions for items from this seller. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:05:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BN5NfH025574 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:05:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BN5FWR009772; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:05:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BN4hxJ093186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BN4WDu028791; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51704.mail.yahoo.com (web51704.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.222]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BN4UA5028669 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:04:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67241 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 2006 23:04:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ST0Qm5gCb5o/ojhohkUJvJ757ckXL4783gkdNu/1X010UWCnS7ROp+bw0noh0IsBGbEe59CftrL22YD9yrhgLjlzHUNUqZawlCL4L81eASRqhx/u30CiAIDT798k+YlbCu2k3oReQ9PA6MOa0RLBl6fpu8rKHG4keJZVaOpQyoU= ; Message-ID: <20060411230425.67239.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:04:25 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] steam iron source in US X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:05:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C362B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I bought my EuroPro, which has a separate steam reservoir, at Tuesday Morning. I like it a lot! Kay Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more than I do!) Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:12:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNCPYL026031 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:12:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNCIGG012819; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNBlDi094321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNBi08034923; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BNBenE034784 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 84633 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 23:11:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 23:11:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412000905.01e06258@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:11:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wanting some pix In-Reply-To: <20060411203543.35458.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060411203543.35458.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C37D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 21:35 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I am gathering together information for a new project >that some photography would greatly benefit from. > >I was hoping some sympathetic soul somewhere close to >Manchester Square, London would be willing to do a >quick (of course, if allowed) photo tour of the >Wallace Collection for a particular cast collar. I >have emailed Hertford House, and received no response >to my request for more information regarding this >item. I am at this point assuming the object (The >"Archer's Guild Collar" is the object of my interest) >is still in their collection and on display at >Hertford House. > >If anyone in the London UK area is willing to take a >few photos, email me offlist, and I will give you more >details. > >Thanks, > >Kathy Kathy The Wallace Collection does not allow photographs to be taken in any of its collection. If it is Arms and Armour, you should contact the specific department. The curator was of A and A (may still be) David Edge, but I only have a personal address for him - sorry. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:14:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNE1au026058 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:14:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNDrOu013423; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:13:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNDZcx094551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNDXB6036418; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3BNDSe0036275 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68344 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2006 23:13:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.36 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2006 23:13:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412001227.01e0b7a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 00:13:25 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] spiral lacing In-Reply-To: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:13:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C3831.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 20:16 11/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Have any of you ever seen extra tapes sewed to the top and bottom >center backs, for tying on if you use spiral lacing? > >Bjarne Not in any extant corsets I've seen - certainly in museums they don't usually even bother to lace them properly. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:18:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNIbKY026149 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:18:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNIUDj015691; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNHsgn095143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNHovE039804; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:17:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNHbFu039654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3BJMYTx020697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53144.72.13.239.193.1144783357.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <000501c65d98$bcf5b7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001101c65d4b$6c153f60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <52751.72.13.239.193.1144780898.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <000501c65d98$bcf5b7f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays. From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C3946.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > Oh yes i had another question. Do you think i should use a linnen binding > for the tabs and the bustline, straps? > Thanks again. I think fully boned stays in such an elegant fabric deserve white kid leather for a binding. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 19:55:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNtMWo027083 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3BNtEhl001098; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNshEj099642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNsd44069308; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3BNsMMA069141 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([68.239.36.22]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXL0050D123SF19@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:54:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:53:36 -0400 From: "Jeanine E. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO May be if every one on the list sent a similar request they'll think about it. Jeanine Lloyd Mitchell wrote: >I got it too, but haven't had time to reply.Can do it later today! >Kathleen >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Katie Lewis" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:21 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] curtains > > > > >>Kathleen wrote: >> >> >> >>>Bought the sarong at the same time and inquired how I might get a bolt >>> >>> >of > > >>>That fabric. The response was NA. Sigh... >>> >>> >>Coincidentally, I just got an email from Dharma asking for suggestions >> >> >about what new fabrics people want to see, so it might be worthwhile to >email them. > > >>-Katie >> >>-- >>_______________________________________________ >> >>Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow >> >> >Pages > > >> >> >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 20:11:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0BcgL027356 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:11:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C0BUqX008411; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:11:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0AjOs002753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0Ag09081525; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C0Abtx081381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3C0AWMp009697 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:10:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:10:04 -0400 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3C0Abtx081381 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:11:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C45B2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Susannah, My Masters Thesis in Theatre Costume in Dec. 2000 was "The Emperor's New Clothes," set in ancient China, for children's theatre. We made a fat suit of foam sheeting for the actor who played the Emperor. It was actually built by Kent Parker, who was the manager of the Costume Shop at that time. He had lots of experience in making fantasy characters. If you'd like to take a look at the process and some pictures, my thesis is online. I'm going to give you rather convoluted instructions on how to get there. You can also get to it through UMI, but they make you email the pdf to yourself. It is 28 Mb since there are so many pictures. If you can pull it up, the instructions below might actually be easier. Go to: http://www.libraries.wvu.edu click on MountainLynx Catalog in the top right corner search by author: Hoover, Kathleen M. click the link in the record click again on the next record click the web link at the bottom of the page click "Access Document" click "Hoover_Kathleen.pdf the section on the Fat Suit starts on page 253 (there are some messages about missing fonts, but if you just click OK, it'll come up) There are embedded pictures in the text or you can scroll to all the pictures in the appendix at the end. *I realize we used a regular-sized college-age male actor, who could better withstand the heat than a young, thin girl, but here's what we did to help him. He wore a cotton flannel "jumpsuit" as the innermost layer, and, since the fat suit was meant to make him look quite LARGE, there was some air space between the flannel and the foam. We also had water and electric fans ready backstage whenever he came off. He had costume changes to go over the fat suit, and of course he appeared (nearly) naked in the last scene. And while it *was* hot to wear, it wasn't unbearable. I hope this helps you, Kathy Hoover >>> susannaheanes@yahoo.com 04/10/06 11:04 PM >>> Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a "hernia" on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any & all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 21:20:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KwK1029001 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C1KoZG008070; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KKkb014320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KHGT032604; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C1KDEM032520 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.314.29e9ee0 (4418) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <314.29e9ee0.316dafc0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:00 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C55F2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) ps - meant glad it's not just me that feels like that :-))) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 22:02:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C22rQe029783 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:02:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C22jQs028616; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C227mo022972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C225I6063240; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C223PG063197 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7A65E303 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060411183740.03970950@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:00:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> References: <7410FEBA-C310-11DA-B66E-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060411103014.01e03e78@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C5FC5.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 02:33 AM 4/11/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a >separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. >Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a >Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more >than I do!) > >Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate >machining!!) I have heard of Euro-Pro and Rowenta that carries a separate tank. I plan on getting the Rowenta, as I have heard better reviews on that particular brand from a few of my friends and fiber arts teachers. Doing a google search, I am finding two different model numbers: ROWENTA DG-980 Expert Steam Generator Rowenta DG-580 Steam Generator ("Does not have the removable water tank for refilling while ironing like the Rowenta DG-980 does.") Looking at Allbrands site, they have several different steam irons with tanks at different price marks and quality, from home use to pro use. http://www.allbrands.com/products/abc0083.html hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 11 22:30:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2UDmS030350 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C2U5hT010244; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2TRxZ029531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2TPtR083810; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C2TLNN083761 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rwfranz@hotpop.com) Received: from titan (titan.cvip.net [129.8.220.33]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805F310EB8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cvip-dsl-206-90.cvip.net [129.8.206.90]) by titan.cvip.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.04 (built Feb 8 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IXL00JKS88WHA@titan.cvip.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:29:20 +0000 From: rwfranz Subject: Re: [h-cost] steam iron source in US In-reply-to: <20060411230425.67239.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <443C6600.8040906@hotpop.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051226) References: <20060411230425.67239.qmail@web51704.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 22:30:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443C662D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO JoAnn's? Sometimes Hancock's? They carry the Rowenta version. http://www.joann.com/catalog.jhtml?CATID=95070&PRODID=70935&source=search Right now it's on sale. I don't have one of those yet, and am not really considering it right now, so cannot comment on how well it works. Roger Kay Shelton wrote: >I bought my EuroPro, which has a separate steam >reservoir, at Tuesday Morning. I like it a lot! >Kay > > >Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a >steam iron with a separate reservoir in the U.S. She >says she has not >been able to find one. Also, if there is a source, any >recommendations >as to brand. I have a Tefal bought here in the U.K. >and it *loves* >ironing linen (which is more than I do!) > >Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate >ironing, and I hate >machining!!) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 05:44:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9iaOR022689 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:44:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3C9iSHU030827; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:44:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9i1eO007687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9huWu079571; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9hqUf079493 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAAA7C50656; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:38:50 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to anactress Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:43:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c65e15$9ef13590$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060411030420.90910.qmail@web32112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3C9hqUf079493 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CCBFC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO You could use those air filled plastic bladders they use as filler for packages. They are very lightweight, and if you keep a layer of cotton between the body and the bladders, it should be ok. I just got some today in my box from Amazon. You could blow up zip lock bags and get the same effect-more sizes, too. They're so lightweight you can just use gaffers tape to hold them in place. Plus they're super cheap. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of susannah eanes Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:04 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to anactress Recently we costumed for the play "A Little Princess." One of the characters is a young girl with a bit of a weight problem. She was superbly portrayed by a rather thin young girl. We stuffed a bodystocking with fiberfill at first during rehearsals but it was so hot she nearly passed out and became very flushed. So we tried having her wear three cotton teeshirts but that didn't work too well either. We finally just used the fiberfill & stuffed her blouse, a fitted Victorian high-collared style, after she put it on to fill out the necessary areas. That didn't work really either, because after every scene we had to readjust the fiberfill because it kept shifting & even falling out below the skirt. She left puff-bunnies all over backstage but fortunately none fell out on stage --although in one of the final scenes she suddenly developed a "hernia" on her left side. Please --we may do this play again for the lower schools. Can anyone give us any ideas on making a Mrs. Doubtfire-type removable bodyshape suit on a low budget that won't cause the young actress to expire with heat? Thanks for any & all suggestions. Blessings, Susannah --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 08:03:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC3BSF017794 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CC34Rp017908; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC2ddq028581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC2ZDg065395; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9Avfd059366 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3968726286D for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:11:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kid skin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CEC78.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Carol suggested me to use kid skin on the binding of the stays i make. Only i dont know what that is. Is it goat skin? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 08:04:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC43jd017834 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:04:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CC3ukM016466; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC3NHK028677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CC3ML9065925; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3C9wFbn087985 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 03:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.38b.317d9f (3699) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <38b.317d9f.316e2930@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:58:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:03:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CECAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:11:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khoover@wvu.edu writes: We made a fat suit of foam sheeting for the actor who played the Emperor. When I worked at the Washington Shakespeare Theatre, we also made a foam suit for Falstaff. I didn't mention it originally because the poster said she needed something cheap, and the foam isn't! It is the dark gray foam generally used, I believe, for HVAC purposes, and it was something like $100 a sheet then, over 10 years ago. I also can't attest to how comfortable it was for the actor to wear, but I know it is very lightweight. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 08:48:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCmceG020741 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CCmVnA009154; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCmEqQ032887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCmBRL098338; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CCm70R098259 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 06:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7647D0BD for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-115.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-115.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.115]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:05 +1000 Message-ID: <1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:48:05 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CF71F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from children, -C. kid skin > i dont know what that is. > Is it goat skin? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:08:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD8xJh021850 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CD8pdr021235; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD7vBk034830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD7sVS012775; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD7oKG012712 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id E550AA5006A for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:07:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFBE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Gosh if that is the case, ill have to skip it dont i? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from > children, > > -C. > > kid skin >> i dont know what that is. >> Is it goat skin? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:10:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDA7um021912 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDA0I3031994; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD9b0w035036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD9Zwo014053; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CD9XKQ013960 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060412130927m12003pe30e>; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:09:27 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:09:27 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:09:27 +0000 Message-Id: <041220061309.23964.443CFC070001046D00005D9C22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFC28.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com > > Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate > machining!!) > > ps - meant glad it's not just me that feels like that :-))) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:10:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAtqF021957 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDAluJ014106; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAMjx035139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAME5014625; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDAJ88014588 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:10:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247dd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.221]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D5B2262894 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:10:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c65e32$7ac5ffd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:10:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kid scin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:10:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFC57.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:16:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDGdhs022490 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDGW5f025903; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDGFn3035860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDGEVE019063; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDG9tV018949 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IXM008OE26PKZMC@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:15:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Steam Iron source In-reply-to: <6.2.1.2.0.20060411183740.03970950@64.87.54.245> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443CFDB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I use the Rowenta iron with the separate reservoir and it is fabulous! Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source At 02:33 AM 4/11/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know where an American friend can buy a steam iron with a >separate reservoir in the U.S. She says she has not been able to find one. >Also, if there is a source, any recommendations as to brand. I have a >Tefal bought here in the U.K. and it *loves* ironing linen (which is more >than I do!) > >Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate >machining!!) I have heard of Euro-Pro and Rowenta that carries a separate tank. I plan on getting the Rowenta, as I have heard better reviews on that particular brand from a few of my friends and fiber arts teachers. Doing a google search, I am finding two different model numbers: ROWENTA DG-980 Expert Steam Generator Rowenta DG-580 Steam Generator ("Does not have the removable water tank for refilling while ironing like the Rowenta DG-980 does.") Looking at Allbrands site, they have several different steam irons with tanks at different price marks and quality, from home use to pro use. http://www.allbrands.com/products/abc0083.html hth, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:26:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQvYK023026 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDQoaI032107; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQZAR037224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQXlk027734; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDQSUC027572 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3CDQKK01637.; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:26:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:26:20 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:26:12 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3CDQSUC027572 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:26:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D001A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO "Kid gloves" were commonly worn with smart clothing in the 19th century. A kid is a young goat. We also have a saying "to handle something/someone with kid gloves" meaning very carefully or tactfully, kid gloves being thinner and more supple than ordinary leather ones. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:36:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDa2xE023575 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:36:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDZsgF005187; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDZYsK038087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDZVkX034383; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CDZQ8d034228 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27809 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 13:35:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 13:35:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412143133.01e13630@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin In-Reply-To: <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:35:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D023A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 14:07 12/04/2006, you wrote: >Gosh if that is the case, ill have to skip it dont i? > >Bjarne > > >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:48 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > > >>Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from >>children, >> >>-C. Bjarne Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the front armscye, to prevent chafing. The 178-0s corset from Hunnisett had this, and it made a lot of difference - no rubbing. Once upon a time that corset fitted me, and was soooo comfortable! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 09:39:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdoVh023774 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CDdh9F007443; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdTwe038441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdJ10037637; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CDdDWd037565 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m198.in-tch.com [216.166.191.198]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3CDTvA28877 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:29:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003501c65e37$83578100$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c65e11$0470bcb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1144846085.443cf705891d5@webmail.netspace.net.au> <001201c65e32$1ddaeba0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:46:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:39:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D031F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO *sigh* Bjarne, the original poster was either teasing you or ignorant, and my bet's on the teasing. "Kid skin" is the skin of young, immature goats. A reasonable substitute might be chamois, if you can find it. We can buy it here in the US in the automotive care section of some stores, since it's used as a "cloth" with which to dry or polish cars. It's a thin, flexible, and relatively inexpensive leather. I've got some in my stash for the binding of a 16th century corset, and for a trial pair of gloves, if I ever get my head out of the 14th century and back to the 16th..... --Sue in Montana (it's Spring!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > Gosh if that is the case, ill have to skip it dont i? > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin > > > > Kid skin is very soft, very supple, has a little stretch. You get it from > > children, > > > > -C. > > > > kid skin > >> i dont know what that is. > >> Is it goat skin? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 10:26:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEQQ5p026863 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:26:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CEQF23003603; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:26:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEPnMJ045137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEPhSM078040; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEPHdm077590 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1fa.1d2f3bfb (16633) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D0E07.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the front armscye, to prevent chafing. *************** I've also seen an early 19th century waistcoat with a strip of chamois [about maybe 3/4 of an inch wide] lining the bottom of the fronts. The shirt Daniel Day-Lewis wears in "Last of the Mohicans" is of chamois leather. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 10:49:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEniiS028542 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:49:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CEnaQ6019305; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEkTK7048070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEkRIf097451; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CEkNCq097317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 08:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FTgbr-0006M9-BU; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:46:19 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20060412104619.0qml4zxsoc40g0gc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:19 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting "Sharon at Collierfam.com" : > You could use those air filled plastic bladders they use as filler for > packages. They are very lightweight, and if you keep a layer of cotton > between the body and the bladders, it should be ok. I just got some today in > my box from Amazon. You could blow up zip lock bags and get the same > effect-more sizes, too. They're so lightweight you can just use gaffers tape > to hold them in place. Plus they're super cheap. But wouldn't all that plastic be rather *hot*? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 11:10:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CFAxrg029689 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CFAqhh001559; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CF9iJW052044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CF90Sw019014; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CF8b5b018552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3CF8R4d008873 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:08:30 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:10:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D187C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use > to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep > inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the > front armscye, to prevent chafing. I've heard about using a wider piece of leather under the arms, although I haven't seen the originals with it. The extant stays I've seen have a thin white leather for binding, with a smooth surface. The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). But I would like to hear more about the extant stays that use chamois leather for binding, and also those with the underarm reinforcement. Where are they? How often do those features show up in extant stays? Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available white and with a smooth surface? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:24:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGOQQq002596 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:24:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGOJeq015137; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGNoEt063943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGNZuD089345; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGNG6g089035 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:23:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23675 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:00:56 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:00:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Thread-Index: AcZduCn4P/DUe/i7RfuBOp2hRes2AwAjiXwg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3CGNG6g089035 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D29B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oh, darn "Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII" yet another book from the other side of the pond I just have to have! And Amazon.uk doesn't even list it yet on their site! Double darn! Just got from Amazon.uk, my preordered copy of Innocent Traitor, the first novel by Alison Weir. It is based on the life of Lady Jane Grey, Nine Days' Queen of England. No U.S. publication date as yet for us Tudor fanatics on the west side of the pond. I only have read the first two chapters. So far it is by multiple narrators recording in first person present tense. So far the narrators are Jane herself, her mother, Frances Brandon, and Queen Jane Seymour. Interesting format. It will be interesting to see how Weir as a historian sticks to history. On the cover is a photograph of a girl dressed in a close approximation of the ensemble worn by young Princess Elizabeth(crimson gown portrait). We purists may be quick to spot that the girl has blonde, not auburn hair, and the sleeves of her gown,(all layers)are less structured and more droopy at worst, and seem more earlier 16th century at best, but at least it is serious cover art, including an overprint of Jane's actual handwriting, rather than the historical romance cover art which is often snicker-worthy! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:27:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGQvLn002745 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGQowq016613; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGPC6R064160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGOWoe090310; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CGOK99090024 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 89798 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 16:24:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 16:24:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412172126.01e14a78@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:24:15 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin In-Reply-To: <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:26:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D2A4A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 16:08 12/04/2006, you wrote: > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > > Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use > > to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep > > inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the > > front armscye, to prevent chafing. > > > I've heard about using a wider piece of leather under the arms, >although I haven't seen the originals with it. The extant stays I've >seen have a thin white leather for binding, with a smooth surface. >The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. >I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and >it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). But I would like to hear more >about the extant stays that use chamois leather for binding, and also >those with the underarm reinforcement. Where are they? How often do >those features show up in extant stays? > > Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available >white and with a smooth surface? The stays that I wore belonged to Jean Hunnisett and were sold some years ago. If I had realised they were for sale I might have bid for them. I will look through my photos of originals and see whether the chamois shows up in any of them. Probably that chamois ones will be the ones I couldn't photo! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:42:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGgdvS003608 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGgW7m025922; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGgAlh066953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGg4bj008432; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGfvov008212 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.32c.26abb1a (15865) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r39 (mblk-r39.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.38]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df9443d2dca1cb; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:49 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82C672172CFB0-1BB8-1C02@mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <38b.317d9f.316e2930@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:41:49 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <38b.317d9f.316e2930@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17325 Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.38 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D2DF8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO what about theexpandingspray foam 1 can would be more than enough and it can be shaped and molded to be most anything you need theresa -----Original Message----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:58:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight to an actress In a message dated 4/11/2006 8:11:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, khoover@wvu.edu writes: We made a fat suit of foam sheeting for the actor who played the Emperor. When I worked at the Washington Shakespeare Theatre, we also made a foam suit for Falstaff. I didn't mention it originally because the poster said she needed something cheap, and the foam isn't! It is the dark gray foam generally used, I believe, for HVAC purposes, and it was something like $100 a sheet then, over 10 years ago. I also can't attest to how comfortable it was for the actor to wear, but I know it is very lightweight. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 12:57:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGvZAR004673 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CGvS8q002459; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGq1H9068517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGpqjl018278; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CGplAO018062 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.31a.2953fae (16097) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r39 (mblk-r39.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.38]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v108_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILINID111-3ee1443d30121e6; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:10 -0400 Message-Id: <8C82C686F479BF2-1BB8-1D05@mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <314.29e9ee0.316dafc0@aol.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-r39.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.38) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:51:09 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <314.29e9ee0.316dafc0@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17325 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.38 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:57:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D3178.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I can feel for you it has only been in the last year or so that I have had to admit if I'm going to sew I have to iron , seams open, and all that other stuff that makes your work look right. but I still don't iron anything that is complete it goes to the professionals, or at least the lady down the street that seems to like to iron. I think she is a bit weird but then I dress up funny and shoot a bow and arrow so who am I to say who is weird. theresa -----Original Message----- From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:20:00 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Suzi (who really needs to find a new job - I hate ironing, and I hate machining!!) ps - meant glad it's not just me that feels like that :-))) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 13:28:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHSejC006434 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CHSWQ5023445; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHQhf2074015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHQbBG051912; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHQXDd051765 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.341.24c24e3 (17079) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:26:22 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D38C0.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I have posted my pictures of the statue with the bliaut from Angers to Flickr as well as some from Chartres, also with bliaut. Additionally in the Chartres set are pictures I took of the St. Louis shirt in Notre Dame. There is also a set of pictures from the Costume Museum in Bath. http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:00:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CI0TWx008462 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CI0LbV012225; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHxRCr078501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHwm6S082326; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHwd62082114 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D3B1336AD8 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:58:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D4035.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Just recently a friend came up to me and asked how the girdle was made with a bliaut as she was going to make it for her daughter. She was not meaning the belt but the section of horizontal lines between the hips and just under the breast. Her two sources for this being a separate piece from the dress/bliaut is "The Encyclopedia of historic costume" and a manuscript showing it in a different color. When I tried to inform her that usually that area is a part of the dress she promptly said well I'm not trying to be an authenticity nazi my daughter likes it and she's of an age that she wants to show off her figure. So my question, just for my knowledge, is there docs on the horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? -----Original Message----- http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:20:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIK0H9009569 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:20:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CIJpL4025211; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIJZAm082313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIJUDW002191; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIJQBY002136 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so1394099nzd for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=boFcMpXz0GaHMHJf9FphFk82DxM4VklvtGY68T8k98+oNfH98IM9LIVD4AgAgMJPwkCgrW+gzY0ighPXLymk6NOIOc/B1UBlbD3LPknUphMBldkjMUmBVCJLkR1YREHJjkqynv3q6f2R3hPxPQzOUMgRDfiaEEBbEOL865yLLQw= Received: by 10.65.206.5 with SMTP id i5mr1672594qbq; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:25 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3CIJQBY002136 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D44C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something new. look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal direction, lines below it run vertically. To me this is really starting to suggest a separate layer. Could be. Can I be positive, not yet, but I am intrigued. Could this be the "corsetum" mentioned in the English inventories of the early 1300s, which was fashionably "behind the times" - or an ancestor of that garment? Are the two even linked at all? Some folks might postulate that the trim is a product or a decoration to highlight construction of the garment. Covering the joining of a bodice to a skirt... Personally I find that theory to be too speculative for me, and not in keeping with examples of garment shaping of the day. But some people do advocate that style of construction. I'm going to go back to pondering this question... but I am considering a move to the "possible, quite possible" camp on this question. Mari / Bridgette > http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ > > Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIRxNr010037 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:27:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CIRqKh030268; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIRCx4084028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIR7WW010644; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CIR3A7010477 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 2459 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 18:26:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting otsisto : > Just recently a friend came up to me and asked how the girdle was made with > a bliaut as she was going to make it for her daughter. She was not meaning > the belt but the section of horizontal lines between the hips and just under > the breast. Her two sources for this being a separate piece from the > dress/bliaut is "The Encyclopedia of historic costume" and a manuscript > showing it in a different color. Do you have any additional information on The Manuscript? I'd *really* like to see that (as would a number of other folks, I"m sure!) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:44:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIiHbR011193 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:44:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CIi9SN008851; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:44:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIhTkM087543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIhN1g028045; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIgn0V027436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FTkIg-0005do-Ez; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:42:46 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:42:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:42:46 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D4A79.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting Marie Stewart : > There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. > However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the > horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the > garment? > > Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it > is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something > new. > > look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at > the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see > a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or > embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and > follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal > direction, lines below it run vertically. You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/6qse5 The other thing that is telling to me is the "knife-pleats." Look at how they disappear behind the neckline trim ... look at how they "reappear" out from under the wide trim above the belt. IMO, this is the source of the garments that we see in later symbolic art where the woman has on a hip-length "vest" or "corsage" or whatever you want to call it. > > To me this is really starting to suggest a separate layer. Could be. > Can I be positive, not yet, but I am intrigued. > > Could this be the "corsetum" mentioned in the English inventories of > the early 1300s, which was fashionably "behind the times" - or an > ancestor of that garment? Are the two even linked at all? Well, wasn't France leading the Fashion World (tm) at that time? I don't have a problem with the English lagging behind. > > Some folks might postulate that the trim is a product or a decoration > to highlight construction of the garment. Covering the joining of a > bodice to a skirt... Personally I find that theory to be too > speculative for me, and not in keeping with examples of garment > shaping of the day. But some people do advocate that style of > construction. Yeah, I think that's a little too sketchy for me too. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 14:50:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIo5S2011419 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CInwRW012308; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIiElg087789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIiAfA029083; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIi4Zr028966 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 45FF536948 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:50:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D4BD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO After I sent the email I found the Chartres statue you speak of and remembered that when I was once, long ago researching bliauts I came across this statue and saw the "corset/girdle". Old timers strikes again. :P De -----Original Message----- There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something new. look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal direction, lines below it run vertically. snip I'm going to go back to pondering this question... but I am considering a move to the "possible, quite possible" camp on this question. Mari / Bridgette > http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ > > Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 15:25:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJOx3I012819 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CJOpXI005387; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJNntR094442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJNcQp069757; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJNV4Y069596 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:23:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58B6E36AD9 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:23:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:23:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:24:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D5403.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO This one seems a bit different from the Chartres. In the Chartres it seems to stops under the bust but in this one it looks as if it is a bodice that goes to the hips and the skirt is a part of the garment you see at the neck. A sort of "jacket" over the gathered garment and laced to creat the horizonatl lines at the waist. De -----Original Message----- You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-deta i2l.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/6qse5 The other thing that is telling to me is the "knife-pleats." Look at how they disappear behind the neckline trim ... look at how they "reappear" out from under the wide trim above the belt. IMO, this is the source of the garments that we see in later symbolic art where the woman has on a hip-length "vest" or "corsage" or whatever you want to call it. Susan ----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 15:45:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJj2N9014145 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CJimSd018948; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:44:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJiNRo098315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJiIa3090728; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJiB31090608 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A70F18000532; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:37:51 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight toanactress Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:42:59 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c65e69$4db93c00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060412104619.0qml4zxsoc40g0gc@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:44:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D58B0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO That's why you line with cotton, so the plastic doesn't touch the skin. Better than foam, or polyfill, which is , after all, plastic too. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] ideas on making body-shape suit or adding weight toanactress Quoting "Sharon at Collierfam.com" : > You could use those air filled plastic bladders they use as filler for > packages. They are very lightweight, and if you keep a layer of cotton > between the body and the bladders, it should be ok. I just got some > today in my box from Amazon. You could blow up zip lock bags and get > the same effect-more sizes, too. They're so lightweight you can just > use gaffers tape to hold them in place. Plus they're super cheap. But wouldn't all that plastic be rather *hot*? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 16:03:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK3owQ015373 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:03:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CK3glG031139; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK3VV9002666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK3HWD010607; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CK33o4010333 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABA67BC05F4; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:57:26 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:02:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Any possibility that the line of trim is what we would call a waistband, attached to the vertical pleated skirt, the whole worn over the horizontally pleated underdress? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:43 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Quoting Marie Stewart : > There are many, many theories about bliauts. I have a few myself. > However just to stick with the question... is there docs on the > horizontal lines on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the > garment? > > Some say yes. Some say no. I used to be in the "probably no, but it > is vaguely possible" camp... until Nancy's photos showed me something > new. > > look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at > the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see > a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or > embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and > follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal > direction, lines below it run vertically. You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that you can see the details quite nicely. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-deta i2l.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/6qse5 The other thing that is telling to me is the "knife-pleats." Look at how they disappear behind the neckline trim ... look at how they "reappear" out from under the wide trim above the belt. IMO, this is the source of the garments that we see in later symbolic art where the woman has on a hip-length "vest" or "corsage" or whatever you want to call it. > > To me this is really starting to suggest a separate layer. Could be. > Can I be positive, not yet, but I am intrigued. > > Could this be the "corsetum" mentioned in the English inventories of > the early 1300s, which was fashionably "behind the times" - or an > ancestor of that garment? Are the two even linked at all? Well, wasn't France leading the Fashion World (tm) at that time? I don't have a problem with the English lagging behind. > > Some folks might postulate that the trim is a product or a decoration > to highlight construction of the garment. Covering the joining of a > bodice to a skirt... Personally I find that theory to be too > speculative for me, and not in keeping with examples of garment > shaping of the day. But some people do advocate that style of > construction. Yeah, I think that's a little too sketchy for me too. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 16:33:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKXkWT016976 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CKXd8L017556; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKWxIC007070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKWgs6036524; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKHn85022680 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.53.126 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:17:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.53.126] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:45 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2006 20:17:45.0178 (UTC) FILETIME=[28DF63A0:01C65E6E] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:33:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D6423.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3CKXkWT016976 Status: RO Nancy, thank you for going to the trouble of finding a way to post your photos. The statue from Angers is very interesting and I appreciate your nice sharp detail shots. Janet I have posted my pictures of the statue with the bliaut from Angers to Flickr as well as some from Chartres, also with bliaut. Additionally in the Chartres set are pictures I took of the St. Louis shirt in Notre Dame. There is also a set of pictures from the Costume Museum in Bath. http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 16:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKZ0g4017056 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:35:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CKYrms002422; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKYX67007307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKYSDm038289; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CKYF6R037970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FTm2V-0008Pq-Sx; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:34:11 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:34:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:34:11 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Quoting "Sharon at Collierfam.com" : > Any possibility that the line of trim is what we would call a waistband, > attached to the vertical pleated skirt, the whole worn over the horizontally > pleated underdress? It's *always* possible. But a couple of Garb Laurels that I know point out that the waist seam is such a useful thing, why would it appear *briefly* here in the 12th century and then disappear until the 15th century (I think I"m getting my centuries straight). You don't see it again (other than in Italian garb) until Tudor fashion IIRC. I'd just *love* to have a Time Mschine if for no other reason than to answer this very question! Their line of thinking is that you have to draw on what was before and what comes after -- since fashion, back then, didn't change just because The Great Design Houses issued their new fall collection. It sort of oozed between styles. Everything before and after the bliaut is a simple tunic-type garment (yeah, the fit and support are different between the 11th and the later garments), but they're still 2 or 4 panel garments (unless you count some of the Herjolfernes garments [and I sure hope I spelled that correctly!]). It's easier for me to see a shorter overgarment (we do see shorter tunics -- maybe only a foot or so, but they're shorter over-tunics) than a waist seam appear out of nowhere just to disappear again. It's also possible that the trip is some sort of stabilizer on a single piece gown to keep the shirring caused by the lacing in place. However, there's definately 2 layers at the neck (well, as definate as one can be from looking at a piece of stone .....) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 17:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLN7HZ019814 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CLN0nJ012855; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMdf0015192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMaPV084111; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMWKp084039 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CLMeYA004209 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:40 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.122] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.122]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMNj9161602 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412140939.0267b138@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:13:21 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: References: <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D6FB4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >In the Chartres it seems to stops under the bust Some of the pleating on this one goes across the line which delineates the lower edge of the bust. Look closely to find the exact pleats which do this. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 17:23:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLND8n019815 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CLN5gk015276; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMdef015193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMZGH084093; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMU4F084006 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CLMcYA004148 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:38 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.122] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.122]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLMNj7161602 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:22:27 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412140437.025c44f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:05:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com > References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D6FB9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at >the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see >a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or >embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and >follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal >direction, lines below it run vertically. PDRM0062 shows the same trim-like decoration at the neck of the outermost garment. I'm ready to stand corrected. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 17:28:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSv7k020225 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CLSn4W015577; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSV9p016123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSQA6089573; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CLSBCH089301 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3CLPbhX011800 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200604121627.k3CGQdDN092270@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D7112.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO The leather that I've seen binding the edges of 18th century stays is smooth on the outside and rough on the reverse - like a pair of dressy gloves. (as mentioned -kid gloves) This looks to be the same leather that was also used on 19th century corsets I've seen. Though I can't swear to their animal origins, I suspect kid. That was definitely called "wash leather" in the 19th century. If you want to see the crescent pad under the arm go to the Kent State site. Two of the ones there have this feature, though it's easier to see on one than the other. http://dept.kent.edu/museum/costume/bonc/4subjectsearch/lingerie/lingerie18t h/lingerie18.html on the first stays - "colonial brown quilted" - you can see it best in the profile view. It's quite small and looks to be twisted. on the sixth stays you can see it best (the ones right after the busk.) The Museum of the City of New York has a set of stays with this underarm shield made up of several layers of linen rather than leather. My question - does anyone know the proper name for this underarm piece? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:12:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMCk8O022446 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMCcWs002973; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMCOMn022425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMCJFW029111; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CMCEIu028904 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 28461 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 22:12:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oaPtr51cgwZPYJcRZZTGxsDFLxu6lmAYJtziB9Knm4GMCVeIsJV/ev0luXXTEUZw/fpqlQtEuGcoI0KXwDpNt+7JqgvVUQGZj9GnHx92LS39014MpytvHS/xPfQhLJlpaLsbCIsskLdzhycr/P1HmP4JbTenWq9HlPGcR+SJ//U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 22:12:08 -0000 Message-ID: <443D7B42.9060801@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:18 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:12:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D7B56.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings-- Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Their line of thinking is that you have to draw on what was before and > what comes after -- since fashion, back then, didn't change just > because The Great Design Houses issued their new fall collection. It > sort of oozed between styles. Everything before and after the bliaut > is a simple tunic-type garment (yeah, the fit and support are different > between the 11th and the later garments), but they're still 2 or 4 panel > garments (unless you count some of the Herjolfernes garments [and I sure > hope I spelled that correctly!]). It's easier for me to see a shorter > overgarment (we do see shorter tunics -- maybe only a foot or so, but > they're shorter over-tunics) than a waist seam appear out of nowhere > just to disappear again. This is generally my line of thought as well, and illustrates one of the problems of using statuary as a source for clothing history. Statuary is *always* a secondary source, as the detail is subject to artistic interpretation--although it's also often one of the best sources we've got. Statues are not photographs, any more than paintings are, even when there is a fair degree of realism. Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they chipped away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there was always the challenge of representing what the fabric does in stone, a very different medium. Just as we know painters "got it wrong", it is possible that so did sculptors. This is where trying to verify what you see in the statues with other sources--extant garments, cutting techniques, literary sources, and other visual sources--leads to a more complete picture. We can't take any of these sources in the twelfth century in isolation to understand what's going on. The problem, of course, is that we lack an extant "bliaut", so theories are going to remain theories unless someone unearths a big trove of bliauts somewhere. And I suspect even then there would be questions..... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:18:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMIEej022757 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMI7il005391; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHid3023191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHbw1033811; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHUVj033713 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CMHRag014715 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:17:27 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.78.122] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-78-122.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.78.122]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMHONH284402 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:17:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:17:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <443D7B42.9060801@rogers.com> References: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:18:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D7C9F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they chipped >away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there was always >the challenge of representing what the fabric does in stone, a very >different medium. At least they were closer to the real thing than we are. And, presumably, they saw a real one at some point. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:37:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMbPTp023617 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMbHSm014160; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMaR46025811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMaMHp050108; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMaHwx050021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25747 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FTnwm-0007Go-Vt for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:36:25 -0500 Message-ID: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:36:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D811D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 18:50:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMoXqX024214 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:50:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3CMoQit020032; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:50:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMo0wJ027710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMnwhg061885; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CMnqxI061804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3CMnmj7008220 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:49:51 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60454.72.13.239.193.1144882191.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> References: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:50:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D8432.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oooh, check out those metallics!! I didn't see any white, but then again I didn't look past the first page. It would be worth contacting the seller to find out how thin the kid leather is. At one point, the Silly Sisters (18thC clothing makers & merchants) had stay binding leather available in a 1/2" strip, sold by the foot. I'm not sure if it was kid, but it was definitely thin enough to sew. I hate the idea of cutting up antiques, but there are kid leather gloves around where the hand is about 2" across and they would only fit ET. Or if you can find them as single gloves (unpaired) or damaged. -Carol > By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, > at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: > http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET > (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) > It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. > > -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:05:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05UDm024986 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D05M9W019937; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D04lsM036369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D04igi019803; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIHEeR099818 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3CIHNYA032417 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:17:23 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.93.1] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-93-1.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.93.1]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIGvH0210852 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:17:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412111401.026c1f00@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:15:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D95C2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >So my question, just for my knowledge, is there docs on the horizontal lines >on the bliaut ever being a separate piece from the garment? SCA people sometimes make this as a separate garment, but that's partly because of bad reproductions of the original image. The carving shows this as part of a single garment. BTW, you can tell your friends that Nazi's haven't been invented yet, so she can stop calling you one. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:05:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05wI1024993 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D05odl013825; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05ZYt036574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05XNr020510; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIjEJK030174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24432 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FTkL9-0007ns-2n for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: <025201c65e61$3c43e900$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:45:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D95DE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I'd love to see the image where the 'girdle' section is a different color from the rest of the gown--I'm in the collecting-all-theories-and-evidence-so-I-can-make-test-garments-someday camp! -E House PS--thanks for the great photos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:06:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D06O6A024998 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D06GU7006679; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05iuq036615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05hAe020694; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CJQwFj073219 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f557a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.122]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CEF1FAC017 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:26:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004301c65e67$17d957c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] kid leather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D95F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, Thanks for all your help with this question. I would try to find some of this stuf and i hope not it is difficult to sew with, as i hate binding for the guts of my heart. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:06:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D06v84025004 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D06ogO002580; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05RVL036547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05PcJ020379; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CIi517028970 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ABD2836AE2 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 13:43:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060412142755.87315xv7k0cocwg8@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D961A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Well.....she may get me the info which makes me wonder if it isn't a SCA award scroll. I have asked as I am interested as well. De -----Original Message----- Do you have any additional information on The Manuscript? I'd *really* like to see that (as would a number of other folks, I"m sure!) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:16:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GgiP025105 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:16:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0GZdT024584; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:16:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GIC0037796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GGMi028470; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0GCJs028401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26130 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FTpVV-0000Z7-5Z for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: <029301c65e8f$791632b0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <60454.72.13.239.193.1144882191.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:16:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D9863.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I looked around a bit more on ebay, and there's several other sellers offering it--do a search for kid skin, and be sure to check the stores as well as the normal listings. There's a shoeseller who's retiring from the business and is selling off his inventory (id: parkridge101) who has a cream colored hide and a partial white hide, both big enough to get several stays worth of binding. It's a pity that I don't seem likely to have time anyday soon to make 18thC stays--I'm all in the mood, now! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:18:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0IWhW025131 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:18:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0IPT0016156; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05Ijl036521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D05HKF020270; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CIUklA014548 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 94920 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 18:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Is it like washing leather? > > Bjarne > Possibly, if "washing leather" is what one uses to wash surfaces that one does not want scratched. Gosh, what a tortured sentence! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:36:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0aV8f026055 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:36:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0aNfY032551; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:36:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0Zitd039698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0ZgIW041332; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0ZbYb041264 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF167D1B3 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:35:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-254.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-254.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.254]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:35:35 +1000 Message-ID: <1144888535.443d9cd750ee8@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:35:35 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays References: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <60454.72.13.239.193.1144882191.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <029301c65e8f$791632b0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <029301c65e8f$791632b0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443D9D07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO well as the normal listings. There's a shoeseller who's retiring from the > business and is selling off his inventory (id: parkridge101) Mmm, I wish I was there! A few years ago, a shoe making factory here inMmelbourne closed down and all was being sold. People walked out with great machinery and tools and many businesses bought up a lot of the leather stock before auction they thought may be useful. At the bottom of the leather racks, unpurchased until I came along, was all the stock they thought would never be of use...1960s and '70s fashion leathers in pretty good condition: hot pink patents, '70s muscle-car-purples, maroons, crazy lizard prints, bright orange, flame effects, blue suedes... You get the picture. I still have some but I am never using it because it is mine, mine, ALL MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 20:57:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0va0u026723 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D0vSqt008270; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0uSqV042260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:56:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0uQZN055939; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D0uM31055833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3D2hLYu030858 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:43:21 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:02:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <4.3.1.2.20060412140437.025c44f0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060412140437.025c44f0@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604122002.33600.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:57:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DA1F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wednesday 12 April 2006 5:05 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >look at the photo called PDRM0061in the Chartres collection. Look at > >the belt knot, then look just above the belt knot. There you will see > >a repeating decorative pattern, that resembles trim, either woven or > >embroidered. Now... notice that the "trim" appears to lie flat and > >follow the curve of the body, lines above it run in the horizontal > >direction, lines below it run vertically. > > PDRM0062 shows the same trim-like decoration at the neck of the outermost > garment. I'm ready to stand corrected. Or both could be the same pattern of tablet woven trim--sewn on at the neck, used as a belt below. I'm not convinced.... -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:10:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1AkIg027183 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1Adnh013769; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1AIRw043950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1AFo7065754; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3D1A49h065589 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 72033 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 01:09:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nj5O1QU8gjBXpUaGIE88gTNjpcC42xhz0Bgis2V5012SwoTLAL5qw3OBr+b43DJrtRISDxgYd6ZVDzvqZ1iHsF9gvKuYCaCbEQwQu+DY2svywkC7xx9TiJR4g8ZM/QJhCTrCFUSCp6zko2cX/W/4vVAU0+/tQqKcsV6F9BfHitw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 01:09:59 -0000 Message-ID: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:09 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DA50F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Greetings-- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they >> chipped away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there >> was always the challenge of representing what the fabric does in >> stone, a very different medium. > > At least they were closer to the real thing than we are. And, > presumably, they saw a real one at some point. That's why sculpture does have its attractions as a source. You just have to know and work with the caveats, as you would any source, and never assume they're being photographic-perfect in their representations. Most of the twelfth century sculptures have a fair bit of stylization, so you have to ask yourself what's accurate, what's stylized, and what is limited by the limits of the medium itself. One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it was painted! I have no idea of whether these particular examples were painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of detail.... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:27:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1RnCp027658 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1RfKM021203; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1R6fc045525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1R4Dh076806; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1R1fo076673 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: <443DA8DA.9000208@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:50 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] spiral lacing References: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001d01c65d9c$6b519d70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 01:26:49.0403 (UTC) FILETIME=[561790B0:01C65E99] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DA90D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Do you mean for where you start and end the lacing? Like-an "extra" lace to tie off to? Hmmm, I wonder why it would be necessary? When we spiral lace we just tie off in the last hole...... Sg Curious in Buckwheat, AZ Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Have any of you ever seen extra tapes sewed to the top and bottom > center backs, for tying on if you use spiral lacing? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:40:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1eluc028163 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1edWM026402; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1dwfr046869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1dtdY084924; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1doRL084856 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <443DABE1.4020609@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:39:45 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid scin References: <001e01c65e32$7ac5ffd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001e01c65e32$7ac5ffd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 01:39:45.0116 (UTC) FILETIME=[2473F9C0:01C65E9B] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DAC17.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oooh Ahhh, are you in for a treat. http://www.hidehouse.com/ You can request a catalog, though I can't believe they don't have something comperable in Europe. (Probably better, I mean after all, there is where it all started!) This is where I bought my "lipstick red" lambskin for the corset I made for the "Suitable Gown for Her Majesty" http://www.saragrace.us/3E_4_QEW_Corset.html While there in Napa, I also bought the most wonderful "celery green" hide....It comes in a number of lovely colors. Also, deer skin is very soft and supple. (my hubby lets me have his hides he hunts) It is perfect for edging the corsets. I have found also, that ultrasuede lite, works beautifully, but you must cut it as a facing rather than a binding....does that make sense? This is awesome stuff for leather guards on the bottom of gowns....it washes beautifully! Sg P.S. Let me know if you have any trouble getting what you want. I can order it and send it to you.... Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Is it like washing leather? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 21:44:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1iINh028314 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:44:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D1iB89031224; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:44:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1i0Lb047153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1hwUr087410; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D1hsxc087288 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: <443DACD2.40909@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:43:46 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source References: <02d701c65d6e$2930d650$6701a8c0@anteckim> In-Reply-To: <02d701c65d6e$2930d650$6701a8c0@anteckim> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 01:43:45.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3FBE710:01C65E9B] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DACEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Research the stuff on Rowenta - I have one for everyday ironing and it is okay, but as they age they spit etc. The commercial ones that Greenberg and Hammer offer are awesome...pricey.... but awesome. I have heard good things about the Euro-pro, but have not used those myself. Kim Baird wrote: >I have a very nice Euro-Pro with separate reservoir. I got it at Jo-Anne >Fabrics. I've also seen them on line. > >Kim > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 22:32:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2WQLx029425 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:32:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D2WJDX013628; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:32:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2Vs8j057440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2VqKD019217; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp04.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2VoIq019140 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP04.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <443DB811.40409@msn.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:31:45 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 02:31:44.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[68024550:01C65EA2] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Missed the original post- was Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DB833.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Nancy, thank you so much for posting these pictures. I am sorry I missed the original post. Can you explain again the information on the white linen garment (from Chartres?) and the last colored picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/127491641/? Thanks, Sg MaddNancy@aol.com wrote: >I have posted my pictures of the statue with the bliaut from Angers to >Flickr as well as some from Chartres, also with bliaut. Additionally in the >Chartres set are pictures I took of the St. Louis shirt in Notre Dame. There is >also a set of pictures from the Costume Museum in Bath. > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/ > >Nancy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 22:40:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2eewj029551 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:40:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D2eXCA016685; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2eDn6059423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2eC9M024864; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D2e9Gn024771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3D4R90Z000808 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:27:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:46:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604122146.20878.cathy@thyrsus.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DBA21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wednesday 12 April 2006 9:10 pm, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> Sculptors likely did not have live models posing for them as they > >> chipped away at the stone; even when they are being realistic, there > >> was always the challenge of representing what the fabric does in > >> stone, a very different medium. > > > > At least they were closer to the real thing than we are. And, > > presumably, they saw a real one at some point. > > That's why sculpture does have its attractions as a source. You just > have to know and work with the caveats, as you would any source, and > never assume they're being photographic-perfect in their > representations. Most of the twelfth century sculptures have a fair bit > of stylization, so you have to ask yourself what's accurate, what's > stylized, and what is limited by the limits of the medium itself. > > One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture > (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it > was painted! Yes, indeed. The Philadelphia Museum of Art is built on the model of an ancient Greek temple, complete with sculptures in friezes around the walls, just under the roof eaves. Their sculptures are painted--bright primary colors--reds, blues. Flesh tones. It's a very different aesthetic than we're accustomed to, knowing only the paintless statues as they've come down to us, but once you get used to the idea, it seems quite natural. I've seen a number of medieval sculptures that still retained noticeable amounts of pigment. The main surprise about the sculptures I've seen is that the favorite color for the Virgin Mary's tunic is red, usually with a dark blue mantle (that scheme shows up in minatures and paintings of the period as well, now that I think about it). > I have no idea of whether these particular examples were > painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of > detail.... Yes, it would. Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues, much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or because people actually wore it?) But I always prefer more information to less, even when the new information raises more questions than it answers. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 12 23:16:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3GLFL029929 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D3GEDX030499; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3Flgt066803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3FiAK048827; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D3FeGI048716 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2ce.6d7e9e3 (48552) for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <2ce.6d7e9e3.316f1c53@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:15:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 331 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DC27E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:41:32 P.M. EST, Susan wrote: One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it was painted! I have no idea of whether these particular examples were painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of detail.... I took some pictures of statues in various museums that were painted. I mainly took the pictures because they were painted and, we're so unused to that idea. The one I remember off the top of my head had bright blue, red, and yellow robes. In addition to the statues, the walls might also be brightly painted. One of the rooms in one of the buildings at the Tower of London is currently in the process of being painted as it might have been at the time it was constructed. It looks likes a whitewash with a painted pattern on it. It's very attractive and really brightens up the room. Nancy (Maddalena) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 00:22:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4MZk4030811 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:22:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D4MSPv019827; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4M1tn073476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4Lwao091283; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4LniA091201 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31713 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:55:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:55:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <002401c65e6c$09dff930$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:22:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DD204.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Any possibility that the line of trim is what we would call a > waistband, attached to the vertical pleated skirt, the whole worn over > the horizontally pleated underdress? One of the more believable theories I've heard for this is that the line of trim (which is indeed distinct from the double-looped belt, and is visible on several statues that I know of) is the waistband of a decorative apron, and everything visible below that line is the apron itself, forming a layer that goes over the full dress layer. That at least would give us another alternative to the options of "waistband seam" and "corselet." Me, I frankly think the "bliaut problem" (meaning specifically how to interpret the lines in the statuary in terms of specific garments and construction) is fundamentally unsolvable given the present body of data. People can argue about this till the cows come home, and there is still no theory I've heard yet that's anything better than speculation and is consistent with what we know of garments at this time from other media and documents. It's also important to recognize that the Chartres-style statues are not a good set of sources to base any construction theories on. They're all from a very small time/place slice, in a single medium. The mysterious lines do not seem to occur in any other medium or locale at this time (at least that I know of -- I'd be glad to see examples.) Plus, as far as I know, every one of them is of an allegorical or historical figure. This raises the very real possibility that what we are looking at is not an attempt to reproduce real garments as worn by real women, but might be simply a style for artistic representation unique to sculptors from a single artistic school in this small part of France. When we see the same details popping up in other media or over a broader area, then I'll be more willing to speculate. But as it stands, I'm staying out of it; the chances are far too good that this is all a blind alley for costume evidence. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 00:41:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4fdCr031033 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D4fV5H026548; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4ZZj8074520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4ZXcV099571; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D4ZUSs099523 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:35:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9604020F for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060412213528.6D84B9E1@resin04.mta.everyone.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:35:28 -0700 (PDT) From: " Lalah" To: X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREPdUQr5n66AEAAAAB,7587c69fe22e221966cb4a36efb3aa46 X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.70] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Two questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DD67B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO First: Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a size 6 3/4 to a size 7? Second: A friend of mine (same guy that has the hat) has purchased an antique mini revolver called a Velo-dogs pistol. It is a tiny gun made to fit in a vest pocket of a bike rider circa 1890 (plus or minus ten years). Apparently it was customary for ladies and gentlemen of the day to go riding in the country and at times they would be set upon by packs of wild dogs. The little gun was loaded with something akin to shotgun shells, but finer (like sand) that would sting and scare the dogs off without injuring them. What would the bike riding vest look like and how would the pocket be made so that the little gun could slip in and out easily? Anyone have a clue about this? 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 01:46:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5kwCD031964 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:46:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D5kouj016407; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:46:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5k1QY081494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5jxGb041588; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D5jumZ041492 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.311.2c4388f (30739) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <311.2c4388f.316f3f8a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:45:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:46:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DE5CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a size 6 3/4 to a size 7? Does it have an interior band? If so, you may have to remove it. If not, just try steaming, steaming, with a teakettle if you don't have a proper steamer, then putting it on the right size form (or maybe even the head will work). However, sounds like said hat is cheap enough not to bother, nor might that steaming will even work. But you aren't out much if it doesn't. There are lots of sources for cheap cowboy hats out there. On-line, try Shepler's. Around here, the Latino stores stock straw ones--not felt, so much. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 02:57:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6vf7r014150 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D6vYw7008910; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6q0va087634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6pwrR083051; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6ptit083006 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D6pCbi007594 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:51:14 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6pai7128538 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:51:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060412234914.025ab070@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:50:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <200604122146.20878.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> <20060412163411.wzfe054d8ggows44@www.goldsword.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412151614.026c46b8@mail.frys.com> <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DF65E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues, >much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its >symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or because >people actually wore it?) There's always a difference between dyestuff, for fabric, and paint pigment. And what's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 02:59:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6xb2A014631 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D6xUgd013288; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:59:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6w6Ic088082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6vtr2087002; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D6vpDn086966 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k3D6vnKM024504 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c65ec7$9389eaf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:57:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:59:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DF6D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12225701/site/newsweek/ Wonder how much it truly costs... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 03:06:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76wSf016405 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D76pZ0012505; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76STc088861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76QrU092850; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76MKv092784 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 01:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3D76PBd003361 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D76AMX096202 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060413000431.0260db68@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 00:06:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? In-Reply-To: <000901c65ec7$9389eaf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:06:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443DF88B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO >I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! There are knitting yarns made of this already, and yarns made of milk. In, I believe, the 1880s, the new fiber was one made of wood (Rayon). CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 05:08:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D98UFm007598 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:08:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3D98NQh030510; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:08:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D984Da018846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3D982Gv068207; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3D97wn0068092 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31457 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 09:07:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=arUa26Ri8R3VI0QHD1gcUaDvqcfvB3Ye/qPsXjex+MBk1zNzNAGLBD9fJo1HWxwYFwzbVA1gDIZOcI07I+w7GZpmf3evbRSe4fKISxYsnK/S7XflFLAxNPA7BNp4/zKIHrYPeaOQwzk10HlpPYQDYtN0aJskEa4Vf5mA7JLj4k4= ; Message-ID: <20060413090753.31455.qmail@web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31912.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:07:53 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 02:07:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. leather and stays To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <028801c65e81$83aad180$ab00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E1507.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I would not use those for binding corsets. I do bookbinding as a hobby and those skins are vegetable tanned and very stiff and non stretchy as that is the qualities useful in bookbinding. I believe washing skins are alumtanned or something like that. At least they are much softer and pliable that bookbinding skins Tania E House wrote: By the way, I've seen kidskin for sale as a bookbinding supply--in fact, at the moment there's some up for sale on ebay: http://stores.ebay.com/LEATHER-OUTLET (click on kid skins under the store categories on the left) It's about the same cost as buying a similar amount of chamois. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 06:18:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DAIgal021578 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:18:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DAIYon026578; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:18:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DAIAMl023745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DAI9gd010521; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DAI5AG010427 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 04:18:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: <443E2559.7060608@msn.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:18:01 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? References: <4.3.1.2.20060413000431.0260db68@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060413000431.0260db68@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 10:18:00.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AC8CB40:01C65EE3] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E257A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Milk??? Hmmm, now I have heard of textiles made from the cellulose in soy, but milk? I can't remember right now which product, but either "Silk" soy milk, or "Vitasoy" has a little history of all the textile stuff that Henry Ford tried to use soy for. Some of my spinner friends don't particularly like spinning with soy silk, but then I suppose it is all what you get used to and what you have access to. Funny, when I tried to google on soy silk, I got this: Soy Silk and Ingeo Corn Fiber Soy Silk is made of left-overs from the tofu manufacturing process. ... Blending 75% Soy Silk with 25% fine wool adds memory and bounce while maintaining ...www.earthguild.com/products/spinning/spsoycor.htm - 4k - But when I clicked on it, I couldn't find anything else about the Inego.....I wonder how long it has been around? Bummer that it can melt when it gets ironed...I wonder how bad it is....thanks for sharing! Sg Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! > > > There are knitting yarns made of this already, and yarns made of > milk. In, I believe, the 1880s, the new fiber was one made of wood > (Rayon). > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 07:05:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB58wP001859 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:05:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DB506a014902; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB4b5Q027072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB4ZtX037921; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DB4VaS037798 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.3b7.10fc7a (29679) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:04:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3b7.10fc7a.316f8a34@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:04:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E305C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:18:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: now I have heard of textiles made from the cellulose in soy, but milk? Actually, these are regenerated PROTEIN fibers, as rayon is a regenerated cellulose fiber. Milk protein fabrics were big in the 1930s. So the milk and soy fibers are akin to silk and wool, as rayon is akin to cotton. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 07:37:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBboij007861 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DBbgwx029465; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBb9av029724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBb4i4056786; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DBb0b7056733 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.210.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.210] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FU08B-0004Ue-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:36:59 -0400 Message-ID: <443E4570.6080501@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:34:56 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos References: <341.24c24e3.316e923e@aol.com> <72adc2660604121119ka31f4cdn3a95761f3b1a5125@mail.gmail.com> <20060412144246.qygkdp4rw4w40g44@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:37:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E3806.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues > from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that > you can see the details quite nicely. > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg This is very interesting--where is St. Loup de Naud, and is it known when the statuary was done? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 08:11:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCBZTE008627 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DCBRhr013982; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCAru5032317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCAmiM078327; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCAj78078280 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA02506 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:44:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos In-Reply-To: <443E4570.6080501@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:11:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E3FEF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > > > You can also see this line of trip just above the belt on some statues > > from St. Loup de Naud. This is a large scan (ca. 1 MB in size) so that > > you can see the details quite nicely. > > > > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/stLoupDeNaud_LeftPortal-detai2l.jpg > > This is very interesting--where is St. Loup de Naud, and is it known > when the statuary was done? It's by Provins -- e.g. not far from Paris or Chartres. The portals are 12th c. See http://perso.magic.fr/relet/StLoup/Saint_Loup_de_Naud/Saint_Loup_de_Naud.htm for some discussion of the portals For the French-impaired, that's http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://perso.magic.fr/relet/StLoup/Saint_Loup_de_Naud/Saint_Loup_de_Naud.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DLoup%2Bde%2BNaud%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dgooglet but as usual this is a little cockeyed! First time I've seen "Moyen Age" (Middle Ages) translated as "the Average Age" ;-) The page says that the portal is not precisely dateable, but probably is around 1160, when the church received a major relic. The female figure is probably the Queen of Sheba (biblical, royal, foreign). There's a Queen of Sheba image in some costume books -- I think it's in Payne, among others, or maybe it was Davenport? -- but I don't know if it's the same one. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 08:26:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCPw57008930 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DCPoaj021773; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCPIND033413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DCPHIY087622; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DCPEff087535 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 06:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pioneercynthia@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54521 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2006 12:25:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L4G+MKcwmHQiiBgfzFxMb7k096x9rT9q8KItKsXCL5TPzIy4/VCcHnfoNem/sxXJtlQ44Cc2vs8VMXk4548X7twnT4arjzDgyhuaNqqt1l9jYPY33s5MTxEHowfbhPwWAbeF4FiLqn6BIybajjR6gPuBm8txEXhhaCYl+KF/Oac= ; Message-ID: <20060413122509.54519.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.50.247.165] by web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:25:09 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Cynthia Schrage To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E434E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Dear All, Long time, no write. Sorry. I'm looking for information on how to make something I think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a hand stitched arrowhead style design. Does anyone have information on how to make these? Thanks a bunch, Cynthia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 09:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD24vU010161 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DD1ugW014272; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD1BNI037050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD16Pl012707; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DD10tQ012588 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IXN00B15W5CRC70@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:00:45 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 331 In-reply-to: <2ce.6d7e9e3.316f1c53@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:02:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E4BC5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Nancy-- Yes I've heard that classical statues were painted. Does anyone know if any survived with the paint intact? I know that we have both seen tons of medieval painted statues in the Met. Your comment about walls with a painted pattern reminded me of one. In Florence there is a room in the Palazzo Vecchio called the "Sala dei Gigli (Room of Lilies-- lilies/ fleur de lis being the symbol of the city of Florence) The walls are painted deep blue and there are gold fleur de lis all over it. Looks like wallpaper. Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaddNancy@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:16 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 331 In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:41:32 P.M. EST, Susan wrote: One of the things I find fascinating about a lot of medieval sculpture (and apparently, a fair bit of the classical stuff as well) is that it was painted! I have no idea of whether these particular examples were painted, but boy, wouldn't that have added an interesting layer of detail.... I took some pictures of statues in various museums that were painted. I mainly took the pictures because they were painted and, we're so unused to that idea. The one I remember off the top of my head had bright blue, red, and yellow robes. In addition to the statues, the walls might also be brightly painted. One of the rooms in one of the buildings at the Tower of London is currently in the process of being painted as it might have been at the time it was constructed. It looks likes a whitewash with a painted pattern on it. It's very attractive and really brightens up the room. Nancy (Maddalena) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 09:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDwiiq011862 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DDwbWc018481; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDwAUt042322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDw8kI054227; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DDw3DQ054126 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 915669627 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:57 -0500 Message-ID: <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin and arrowheads Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E590D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. > I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and > it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). > > Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available > white and with a smooth surface? I think the identity problem is with manufacturers taking a name for a specific thing and using it for a wide variety of other, similar things. Unless I'm mistaken, a "true" Chamois is fine, absorbent leather made from the skin of a kind of mountain goat (with the same name, I think) and it's usually very light cream colored (and very expensive). People didn't buy them to polish their Chevy, they used them on their Lamborghini. :-) The yellow leather chamois polishing pieces sold in mass-market stores are inexpensive because they are not Chamois -- they are similar in use to Chamois: polishing your Ford. Absorbent chamois with a small "c" I suppose. ---------------------- >> I'm looking for information on how to make something I think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a hand stitched arrowhead style design. = I've seen these on western shirts at each end of a breast pocket. Sometimes they are machine embroidered (simple straight lines with the wide end over edge of the slit) but usually they are small triangles of felt or leather that are machine stitched over each end of the slit. hope that helps Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 10:25:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEPn19012517 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:25:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DEPfqi004507; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:25:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEOuEj045728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:24:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEOrHl076814; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEOmCo076748 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3DEFVA02408 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:15:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003d01c65f07$0cee6e40$6cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c65ec7$9389eaf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:32:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:25:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E5F66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Ingeo? It's been around for a few years now, at least for the spinning and knitting communities. They're also making fiber for spinning/weaving/knitting out of soy. They're apparently similar to silk in the handle. Very inventive, but I've got enough on my plate just working with wool and silk and linen! ;o) Heck, you can even get yarn/fiber made from bamboo! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? > I found the link in a friend's blog - fabric made from corn. Really! > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12225701/site/newsweek/ > > Wonder how much it truly costs... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 10:47:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DElK1Z013320 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DElDKQ018424; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEkdUB048545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEkXH3095787; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEkSQK095596 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.3ac.1b9f1f (25711) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:46:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E6471.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/12/2006 8:06:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: as i hate binding for the guts of my heart. ************************ Hahahaha! Yes! Oh yes! I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one just in case....for the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if you have a walking foot...one with "feed dogs" to move the fabric on top as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're doing it by machine. If you plan to bind it by hand....never mind... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 10:58:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEwSiv013558 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DEwKm5025750; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEw2Pa049839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEvwC7006197; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEvqQp006097 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE683B624 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <443E66F5.7010201@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:57:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E670C.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish sources? English? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:05:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG5n80015785 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DG5gPG007778; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:05:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG5B1i059298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG4jhD065456; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG4KaC065107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3DG45RF018681 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:05:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E76D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one > just in case....for the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if > you have a walking foot...one with "feed dogs" to move the fabric on top > as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're > doing it by machine. > If you plan to bind it by hand....never mind... There is that small matter of the boning... I did do a binding on lightly boned stays by machine - stitch for two inches, skip the 1/4 inch over the bone, stitch another 2"... then I went back and hand-stitched where the bones were. The idea, of course, is to enclose the end of the bone in leather, otherwise it will wear and poke through just below the leather. I suppose with light plastic boning you can sew right through it, but the Wissner is a harder plastic. I'm not sure you could put a needle through it without breaking the plastic, even if you have an industrial machine that could sew through it! By the way, some original stays have a single stitch through each bone (whalebone) about an inch from the top and an inch from the bottom to anchor it in the channel and keep it from sliding. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:10:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGA3tH015868 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:10:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DG9uX4010245; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG9cQ2060046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG9Pxt069699; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DG99LT069498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27920 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU4Nd-0006aA-JS for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: <031c01c65f14$99136e90$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <443E66F5.7010201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:09:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E77D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I > believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese > clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish > sources? English? >From what I've seen, they look a lot closer to Spanish than anything else--you might want to look through http://jessamynscloset.com/ which has a collection of Spanish and Portuguese images. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGKWgI016127 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DGKO85016489; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGK0Xe061174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGJlVQ077516; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGCwGV072415 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.399.4060f3 (4468) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <399.4060f3.316fd26f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:12:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 332 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:20:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E7A48.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Wicked Frau writes: I am sorry I missed the original post. Can you explain again the information on the white linen garment (from Chartres?) and the last colored picture http://www.flickr.com/photos/maddnancyphotos/127491641/? Thanks, The white linen garment is the St. Louis tunic that is in the Treasury at Notre Dame. The colored picture is from the choir of Notre Dame. I have more info on it on my other computer. I included it because I always like to see examples of striped clothing. Nancy (Maddalena) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 12:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGd8Dk016656 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:39:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DGcwXF026807; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGc3pC063693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGbm6p092036; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DGbZxP091720 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 67109 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 16:37:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 16:37:29 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413173610.01dff038@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:37:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query/clarification In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:39:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E7EA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 17:32 13/04/2006, you wrote: >O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, >Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, >Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, >a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a >gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. > >It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to >in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband >has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic >boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be >wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need >something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted >doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need >padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, >or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! >(Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) Sorry, I should have made it clear that I can easily find images of the doublet with trunk hose or plain hose, but not with breeches. That is what I need. >I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly >authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. > >Suzi > >http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/london-a.html&h=768&w=973&sz=166&tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=148&hl=en&start=14&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG > >The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. >(Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 13:59:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHxXw6018923 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DHxPs2007004; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:59:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHx7Jt076355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHx0mH062952; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DHwuII062872 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so1576580wra for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L5nlJV0c2MeUcU260JNkWb9ZBnnl95hK+GX9n9m2OINCGmEdjWc9Ewrv1fV8Y8Rblhkc3/iF+2xSsunZ27UcRadhPwrHUhh8dBxdgn8gQyJ3sP6SK5kRkPNSNh/rjdd7jz1lgg7/yQBzg9MQOKjdxmFBuZYDl51bDMMyVo3u7U4= Received: by 10.54.147.19 with SMTP id u19mr676412wrd; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:58:55 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3DHwuII062872 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Museo de Traje X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:59:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E917D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO H-costumers, A friend just came back from a trip to Spain & reported .a new costume museum in Madrid; it just opened in 2004. There's very very little from before the 18th c, but what there is, is new & interesting. museodeltraje.mcu.es On the side bar click: indumentaria histórica Noodle around and you will find an unusual sleeveless woman's doublet (jubon femenino) circa 1590-1620. I've never seen this particular garment before. The stripey skirtings are really fun. It reminded me of the red & white arches of Seville cathedral. There's also an early pocket, I think, under the "joyeria" (jewelry) section with what may be couched silver thread. Pretty, but a very small picture. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:08:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI8fPQ019377 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DI8YAq012206; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI8IZs077576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI8DCq070258; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DI86Fj070152 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F40433E7D for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:06:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:06:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <20060413122509.54519.qmail@web31006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:08:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E93A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I only know of two types that have been call "Arrowhead". One is embroidery in which you embroider a triangle shape at the top of the slit uses either split stitch, darning stitch or a stitch that I can't remember what its called. The other method was taking triangular piece of the same material as the garment or item to be "arrowheaded", fold in a bit of the tips, then the sides. Stitch down the turned under sides with a point facing up and a side going across the top of the slit. Think of the slit as the shaft of an arrow and the triangular piece the arrowhead and that is how it should look in alignment. You will want to stitch the interior of the arrowhead, this I have seen artistic license as from simple triangle within triangle to initials to geometrics. There is the option of satin stitching instead of hemming the triangle for less bulk. This is my understanding of Arrowhead and may not be what you are looking for or the "real" arrowhead for slits. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:17:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIHWTJ019573 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DIHPVN017076; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIH3gP079295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIH1Im079279; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIGtkx079177 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F1D8A33E34 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:16:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <399.4060f3.316fd26f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Subject heading was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 332 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E95B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:29:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DITVlP020109 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:29:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DITNxf023954; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIDbkd078687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DGWqNv087700; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DGWa1A087359 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14655 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 16:32:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 16:32:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:32:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E9883.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! (Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. Suzi http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/img/maps/london-a.html&h=768&w=973&sz=166&tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=148&hl=en&start=14&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. (Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 14:55:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DItA1p020665 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DIt2WN007101; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIslaj084093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIsfrR014920; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIsY61014742 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F336262845 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:54:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c65f2b$b54a0f80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com><57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin and arrowheads Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:54:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443E9E86.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Arrowheads are very beautifull when made by hand. These are usually worked with the same buttonhole thread as the buttonholes. There must be a place they show it online, but i dont know where. My Burda Sewing book has very nice instruktions to make them. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin and arrowheads >> The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. >> I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and >> it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). >> >> Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available >> white and with a smooth surface? > > I think the identity problem is with manufacturers taking a name for a > specific thing and using it for a wide variety of other, similar things. > Unless I'm mistaken, a "true" Chamois is fine, absorbent leather made from > the skin of a kind of mountain goat (with the same name, I think) and it's > usually very light cream colored (and very expensive). People didn't buy > them to polish their Chevy, they used them on their Lamborghini. :-) The > yellow leather chamois polishing pieces sold in mass-market stores are > inexpensive because they are not Chamois -- they are similar in use to > Chamois: polishing your Ford. Absorbent chamois with a small "c" I > suppose. > > ---------------------- >>> I'm looking for information on how to make something I > think is called Arrowhead Reinforcement. It's a > finishing technique where the top of a slit (usually > on shirt tails, I think) is reinforced at the end by a > hand stitched arrowhead style design. > > = > I've seen these on western shirts at each end of a breast pocket. > Sometimes they are machine embroidered (simple straight lines with the > wide end over edge of the slit) but usually they are small triangles of > felt or leather that are machine stitched over each end of the slit. > > > hope that helps > Denise > Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 15:11:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJBpDY021258 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DJBhuU017691; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJB9Lf086298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJB0sa030511; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJAqSt030366 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 266DEFAC026 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:10:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:11:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EA26F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Carol. Thanks for your informations. I didnt know that some bones were anchored to the channels. Wiessner boning is hard plastic, but you actually can sew trough it with a strong sewing needle on the machine. But i plan to bind all the edges by hand, i also sewed all the sections together by hand. I cant do it on a machine, because i use bones in all the channels of the tabs, and it s very difficult to control the sewingmachine on top of the bones. Its a comission and i think i just want to bind the edges with ivory silk taffeta i have. I dont have the time to find kid, and i think i would have to praktise a lot with it before i use it on a pair of stays. But thanks all for helping me with the questions i had about kid skin. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays >> I doubt you would need a leather needle to sew Kid, but you might get one >> just in case....for the machine I mean. And since it stretches a bit, if >> you have a walking foot...one with "feed dogs" to move the fabric on top >> as well as underneath, you might find that helpful. This assuming you're >> doing it by machine. >> If you plan to bind it by hand....never mind... > > There is that small matter of the boning... > > I did do a binding on lightly boned stays by machine - stitch for two > inches, skip the 1/4 inch over the bone, stitch another 2"... then I > went back and hand-stitched where the bones were. > > The idea, of course, is to enclose the end of the bone in leather, > otherwise it will wear and poke through just below the leather. > > I suppose with light plastic boning you can sew right through it, but > the Wissner is a harder plastic. I'm not sure you could put a needle > through it without breaking the plastic, even if you have an > industrial machine that could sew through it! > > By the way, some original stays have a single stitch through each > bone (whalebone) about an inch from the top and an inch from the > bottom to anchor it in the channel and keep it from sliding. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 15:40:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJe1Sw022017 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:40:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DJdrxJ004244; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJdTEK090500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJdPTg055219; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJdExA055014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29110 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU7ev-00037N-Nk for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:39:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EA909.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC stuff that I've never seen before! By the way, there's an English version of the site--on the front page, near the middle, you'll see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead you to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under Collections before you can get to the indumentaria histórica/ historical dress section, and you may want to go straight to the catalog section (under Collections) where you can search for images. Unfortunately, there's no English version of the search engine. -E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 15:51:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJpGJO022282 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DJp93E010700; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJoIGH092120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJoBM7064005; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJo2CI063857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3DJnwBY007498 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:50:01 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63688.72.13.239.193.1144957801.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EABAD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Glad I could help! I've seen the Wissner in a thicker weight (probably for hoops rather than boning) which I can't imagine sewing through. If the standard weight can be sewn, all the better! I would suggest a nice cotton or linen tape for binding rather than silk. Silk has poor abrasion resistance, and the edges of stays will get a lot of wear. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 16:19:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKJfp5023009 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:19:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DKJYCe025953; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:19:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKE4m8094943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJsYEf067625; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJrvY6067099 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F789262835 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:53:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c65f34$08d12460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:54:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:19:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EB256.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ahh, Would someone please send the URL again? Clumsy Bjarne who delited it! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje > Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC stuff that I've never seen > before! > > By the way, there's an English version of the site--on the front page, > near the middle, you'll see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead you > to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under Collections before you can > get to the indumentaria histórica/ historical dress section, and you may > want to go straight to the catalog section (under Collections) where you > can search for images. Unfortunately, there's no English version of the > search engine. > > -E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 17:07:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DL7QPv024493 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DL7IEq016819; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DL6S2r099916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DL58qR022721; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav22.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKmBGf008070 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.242.61 by BAY106-DAV22.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:48:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.242.61] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com><61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:18 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2006 20:48:05.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[908F08C0:01C65F3B] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:07:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443EBD86.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3DL7QPv024493 Status: RO Bjarne, this place is local for me, but they mail order. They have a nice supply of kid leather in their bridal/specialty department. It's reasonable as well: Mill End Retail Fabric Store (503) 786-1234 9701 SE McLoughlin Blvd Portland, OR 97222 www.millendstore.com HTH-- LuAnn in Washington _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 18:10:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMAORO026341 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:10:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DMAHVr013766; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:10:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DM9ijr008779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DM9eOg079696; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DM9aFf079568 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.37e.678a32 (25711) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37e.678a32.31702617@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:09:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ECC49.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC ******************* Yes, that beautiful embroidered 1740 woman's jacket! And the very BLUE man's suit from the 1760s. And the woman's jerkin is really beautiful [ like "cinbarnes" said] What fun! Let's all go! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 18:39:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMdNgR027035 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:39:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3DMdGOj026663; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMcueM012095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMckaK005177; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DMcaFr004973 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.30e.2dd6c30 (25711) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <30e.2dd6c30.31702ce0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:38:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:39:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443ED314.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 2:00:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: museodeltraje.mcu.es ***************** there ya go, Bjarne. BTW....check out the wonderful stuff under "Popular Costume" [Indumentaria popular] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 21:07:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E17dIu000475 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:07:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E17Ujr023267; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:07:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E16k71027193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E16iVE019425; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E16eWo019381 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A47221B0066; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:01:38 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century men query Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 18:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c65f5f$b5bd4610$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century men query O.K. I give up! I have searched all the usual suspects, Arnold, Mikhaila, Waugh, Tudor Images, Costume in the Western World, Davenport, Ashelford etc., the costume books edited by James Laver, a beautiful Czech book I have and so on. I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for about 1560-80. It is for my husband to wear to an SCA event we have been invited to in the summer. I have all the garb for me for gentry, and my husband has a pair of wool breeches and a pair of slightly non-authentic boots that will have to do. However, as he is only going to be wearing this doublet once, and i am totally tight for time, I need something simple and thought that a plain but rich wool skirted doublet would be ideal. He has his own peascod belly so won't need padding, but the only images I can find are of upper class servants, or peasants, and my husband would not have been a peasant!! (Me? marry a peasant? - bah!) I may have to go with what I want rather than what is strictly authentic, but any advice or images would be most welcome. Suzi http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaeger/ img/maps/hoefnagel_1024x-2g.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://vassun.vassar.edu/~jasaege r/img/maps/london-a.html&h=768&w=973&sz=166&tbnid=5x31pXSylFzxVM:&tbnh=116&t bnw=148&hl=en&start=14&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHoefnagel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%2 6lr%3D%26sa%3DG The young man on the left is wearing the kind of doublet I mean. (Sorry I don't know how to compress the url.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2E9Uv003261 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2E1Eo017809; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2DgsF035398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:13:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2DdXI069689; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2DaKB069572 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.2f0.3d7229e (32913) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:13:29 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0569.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 9:07:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. ************** I don't see any breeches on page 63. I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet with long skirts worn with "breeches"....by which I think she means Venetians. There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages 11, 15 and 19. The paintings these details are from are "The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] "The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] and "The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" page....but get your magnifying glass out. But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians are of the later short doublet with tassets. And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot really tell. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:32:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2W98I003895 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2W2hn024916; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2VOed036853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2VLoi084312; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DEKjBc073377 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE4940632 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 07:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREPl421gZ7RgEAAAAB,314c6ce35ffefc3675c771cf08d9bde1 X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.70] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F09A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Corn - the new peanut. Sounds like they are trying to make corn into everything from clothes to gas. However, thin, not stretcy fabric sounds good and the dress in the picture looks floaty enough for anyone. Hope they don't use all the corn up - I like eating it. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:33:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XsOO003974 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2XlWG002666; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XRnC037180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XR0w086204; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DIuYOT016698 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98A90FAC028 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:56:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001a01c65f2b$ffe10fd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <443E66F5.7010201@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:56:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:33:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Dawn, I think that a little later, portugal was ruled by a spanish king, so i would guess they not only are very close together regionally, but also fashionable. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century > I've been asked to help find sources for costumes for a school play... I > believe they are doing the Columbus story. My information on Portugese > clothing of that time is very thin... would it be safe to use Spanish > sources? English? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Y9e6003987 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2Y263023611; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xpnr037272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xo5G086548; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJtq1E068454 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C538262860 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:55:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001601c65f34$4d7e0380$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com><61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <63688.72.13.239.193.1144957801.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:56:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Carol, Yes i know it would be best with cotton or linnen, but really for reenacting will it really be worned this much? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays > > Glad I could help! I've seen the Wissner in a thicker weight > (probably for hoops rather than boning) which I can't imagine sewing > through. If the standard weight can be sewn, all the better! > > I would suggest a nice cotton or linen tape for binding rather than > silk. Silk has poor abrasion resistance, and the edges of stays will > get a lot of wear. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2YBIu003988 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2Y3Yk008360; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XaWc037209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XZMO086333; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DJXGHH049907 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.1fa.1d530518 (32913) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <1fa.1d530518.3170016b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:32:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A1B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3E2YBIu003988 Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 2:01:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: On the side bar click: indumentaria histórica Thanks for the lead, but I didn't see this on the initial sidebar. Can you tell us what heading it is under? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2YJhu003993 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2YC9O025694; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2XgJV037241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xg4Z086459; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3DJmHHl062289 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47381 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2006 19:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2006 19:48:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413204555.01e06b80@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:48:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje In-Reply-To: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> References: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3DJmHHl062289 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A24.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:39 13/04/2006, you wrote: >Wow, they have some really interesting 18thC >stuff that I've never seen before! > >By the way, there's an English version of the >site--on the front page, near the middle, you'll >see a link that says 'Welcome' which will lead >you to it. Also, you have to go to Gallery under >Collections before you can get to the >indumentaria histórica/ historical dress >section, and you may want to go straight to the >catalog section (under Collections) where you >can search for images. Unfortunately, there's >no English version of the search engine. > >-E House USED to be a fluent Spanish-speaker... I wish I'd known when I was in Madrid last year. I only managed two days at the Prado, one at the Borne Misza and two exhibitions in the Palacio Real during my 6 days there. I could have had another museum day! Seriously, I do wish I'd known. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:34:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2YNVE004000 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2YGPA028975; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Y0JM037296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2Xxoh086691; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3DKcuEm001135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29226 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FU8ai-0000ja-3K for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:39:00 -0500 Message-ID: <035c01c65f3a$476d38c0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <034a01c65f31$f0871a60$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <001101c65f34$08d12460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:38:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:34:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0A28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" <> http://museodeltraje.mcu.es -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 22:39:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2dFhq004140 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E2d8Oq027641; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2ctfA037773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2crTH090711; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E2cnWM090616 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fBTEYw0ShK8KI8qpMX20usWDdqwBpCcr6vBwh843K/cXaaXxPNgVN5xTkfJIvzIV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.7.105] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FUECv-00069Q-AR for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:38:49 -0400 Message-ID: <048401c65f6c$c4ca0b40$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 19:40:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd489723e3c1ee21a58d6a9f65106cd8026a3d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.7.105 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Boise, Idaho, USA X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:39:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F0B4C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3E2dFhq004140 Status: RO I find myself going to Boise the end of next month, and I'm wondering if there's anything of interest to costumers there? I know the University of Idaho is there, but I have no idea what kind of library or museum they might have, or if there's anything else in town. I'll be there on a weekday, and have most of the day to myself. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:02:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E32ccr004818 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:02:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E32VVc004044; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:02:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E326dE040126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E324ft008496; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E320hw008384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3E4n5VP004420 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:49:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] girdle? was:] Photos Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:08:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <443DA4F1.4080805@rogers.com> <4.3.1.2.20060412234914.025ab070@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060412234914.025ab070@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604132208.17997.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:02:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F10C7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thursday 13 April 2006 2:50 am, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >Of course, there would still be art interpretation issues, > >much as there are for miniatures (e.g., was this color chosen for its > >symbolism? or because it was an easily available paint pigment? or > > because people actually wore it?) > > There's always a difference between dyestuff, for fabric, and paint > pigment. And what's good for one isn't necessarily good for the other. That's true. But I was thinking more along the lines of "certain shades are possible in paint that may not be possible in textile dyes, and vice versa." -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:15:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3FfBJ005273 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:15:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E3FYXa008472; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3F9Lx041594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3F6up017836; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3F359017792 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 862DA36A42 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:15:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Portugal clothing in the 15th century Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:15:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001a01c65f2b$ffe10fd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:15:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F13D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO During the 1500s I do believe that Portugal and Spain did not get along with each other. Said to be like siblings trying to one up the other. Then in 1580, Philip of Spain invaded and conquered Portugal. It was not many years after this that you get the Jewish exodus from Spain and Portugal. I think sometime after Holland became free of the Spanish rule as many of the refugees went there. I was told by someone who has research the 1500s Spain and Portugal but not the 1400s said that the fashions were similar but there were differences. Probably not much help but maybe something. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:17:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3Huts005342 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E3Hntd009261; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3Hdqg041778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3Hcv3019768; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3HXtu019673 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1F94B702 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-90.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-90.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.90]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:30 +1000 Message-ID: <1144984650.443f144aeca9d@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:30 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <049001c65f02$49d99f50$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Naming kids X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:17:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F145D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I think the identity problem is with Yes, the problem we will always have here is different names used by manufacturers and across national borders. Here on the correct side of the Pacific, for instance, a bang, cotton, and a fringe have different meanings than are usual in North America. When I go to the dealers to buy kid (leather, not half-built people) I expect a thinner, soft leather with a little bit of stretch to it. A skin will be around 6 square feet in size and come from a young goat. One side is shiney in the traditional leather look, the reverse is more fibrous like suede. Colours can be standards like brown and black through to outrageous hot ones, all depending upon what has been done at the tannery. If you get lucky enough, you will find some that has been printed or stamped with a pattern. Chamois is another kind of kid skin to my thinking, sometimes used for binding of clothing, often for gloves and so forth, but most commonly used for cleaning gooey bits of kangaroo off the grill of the Ford Falcon. It was marketed as "shammee" for many years. Unfortunately, these are available in synthetics now. Fake chamois can be bought for cleaning purposes, it is somewhere between a loosely woven soft cloth and felt. Upholsterers have been using fake leathers for some time now including very soft vinyl they claim to be as close as kid as you can get -- of course, they can never show a kid skin with criss-cross fibres just under the surface! Yeah, I know, all this is boring for most but we are all gonna keep an eye on language differences or we will be like the five blind men trying to describe an elephant. By the way, kangaroo? Did I say kangaroo? If you like kid you will love kangaroo hide! -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 13 23:42:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3g1st006011 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:42:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E3frv7017488; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3eFkC043660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3eEkt035354; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E3eATi035235 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 21:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 3445C1800125 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:40:53 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Apr 2006 03:31:30 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 72B5BCA0AF; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:40:54 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:40:54 -0500 Received: from [149.169.241.166] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:40:54 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.166 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060414034054.72B5BCA0AF@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3E3eATi035235 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: Sari for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:41:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F1A02.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am selling a cotton ikat sari, approximately 5.5 yards long. If interested please email me off list. -Katie -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 02:57:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E6vDaL031571 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:57:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E6v5HU021609; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E6u7Fi070561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E6u2gx072846; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3E6twkr072736 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86585 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 06:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 06:55:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060414074821.01e10e40@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:54:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In-Reply-To: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> References: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:57:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F47C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > >The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what >you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. > > > >************** >I don't see any breeches on page 63. > >I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet >with long skirts worn with "breeches"....by which I think she means >Venetians. That is precisely it - and they are breeches that we have. (My husband used them for "any" period when required by the Royal Shakespeare Company for whom he worked.) They have a button fly, which I want to hide with the doublet. >There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a >jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages >11, 15 and 19. >The paintings these details are from are > >"The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] >"The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] >and >"The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] > >The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" page....but get your >magnifying glass out. I have done this with all the paintings!! I have detailed blow up pictures of the two Henry Vlll paintings, but they are really too early. > >But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians >are of the later short doublet with tassets. Exactly. > >And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or >something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot >really tell. Like I said - me consort with a servant? I understand it's a very posh do we are invited to. Ah well, someone somewhere must have worn them sometimes. Lack of evidence is not lack of fact, and there were an *awful lot* of people who were not painted. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 03:36:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7aiDa006866 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:36:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E7abLf002715; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7aQxH072069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7YpdT091655; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7Ym8T091615 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF69350D00E0; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:29:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century men query Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:34:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c65f95$ee29f210$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <2f0.3d7229e.31705f49@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Sorry, thought she needed a doublet. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:13 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In a message dated 4/13/2006 9:07:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: The new book, "The Tudor Tailor" has a line drawing of almost exactly what you want, on page 63. You would just have to make the hanging sleeves. ************** I don't see any breeches on page 63. I thought her dilemma was she cannot find a pictorial reference to a doublet with long skirts worn with "breeches"....by which I think she means Venetians. There is a rendering of a man in a skirted doublet [one looks like a jerkin] with paned hosen that come to just above the knee on pages 11, 15 and 19. The paintings these details are from are "The Fete at Bermondsey" by Joris Hoefnagel c1570 [page 11] "The Embarkation at Dover" in the Royal Collection [page 15] and "The Field of the Cloth of Gold", also in the Royal Collection [Page 19] The whole paintings [I think] are on the "Contents" page....but get your magnifying glass out. But that's the problem isn't it? Most renderings of a doublet with Venetians are of the later short doublet with tassets. And again, these men all appear to be servants of some kind holding arms or something. But some are just dancing or socializing so you cannot really tell. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 03:44:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7iOcO007547 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:44:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E7iHpI005545; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7hb0O073125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7KwI2084987; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E7KH8n084721 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4FC5DC17 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060414001425.038d7190@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:20:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:44:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F52D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:32 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted doublet for >about 1560-80. When in doubt, I check Norris for leads. I know he redraws, but its a redraw from something original, even if it is partly made up or modified. In this case, Charles IX by Francois Clouet, 1569. http://tinyurl.com/hnlo7 There are a lot of his images. Go down just a little bit, and images #9 and #10 should do you right. Seems that style is not much in fashion at that time, because it was the only one with such long skirts that I could find. Norris does show a Scottish nobleman, 1567 with skirts almost as long, but I don't know where the original image would be located to confirm. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 05:54:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9slvV002241 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3E9seKr021736; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9sKcD098369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9sIfi079158; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3E9sEKR079021 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3a3.58f2ba (17377) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3a3.58f2ba.3170cb39@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Museo de Traje To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F7160.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/13/2006 10:33:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I could have had another museum day! Seriously, I do wish I'd known. Well, now we all have another excuse to go back to Madrid! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 06:46:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EAkA9h015812 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EAk3uV008395; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EAjDjs001983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EAjBss015811; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3EAj6PI015687 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 04:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19062 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2006 10:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2006 10:45:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060414114154.01db5d50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:43:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century men query In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060414001425.038d7190@64.87.54.245> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com> <61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060413171919.01da9178@127.0.0.1> <6.2.1.2.0.20060414001425.038d7190@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 06:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443F7D6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:20 14/04/2006, you wrote: >At 09:32 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote: >>I cannot find an image of a gentleman in breeches and skirted >>doublet for about 1560-80. > > >When in doubt, I check Norris for leads. I know he redraws, but its >a redraw from something original, even if it is partly made up or modified. > >In this case, Charles IX by Francois Clouet, 1569. > >http://tinyurl.com/hnlo7 > >There are a lot of his images. Go down just a little bit, and images >#9 and #10 should do you right. > >Seems that style is not much in fashion at that time, because it was >the only one with such long skirts that I could find. Norris does >show a Scottish nobleman, 1567 with skirts almost as long, but I >don't know where the original image would be located to confirm. > >Kimiko Thanks Kimiko, but I don't think it's quite what I am after - I trawled the Clouets already. I have a picture of a shorter doublet and Venetians which I may have to go with. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 10:59:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEx8EK023232 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:59:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EEx0LV027857; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEwL4G027963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEwFVw000130; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EEw8Ii099932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3EEw0BJ003227 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51443.72.13.239.193.1145026687.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001601c65f34$4d7e0380$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <3ac.1b9f1f.316fbe3b@aol.com><61762.72.13.239.193.1144944252.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><005801c65f2d$f4ee41e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <63688.72.13.239.193.1144957801.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <001601c65f34$4d7e0380$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid leather & binding stays From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FB8B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi Carol, > Yes i know it would be best with cotton or linnen, but really for > reenacting will it really be worned this much? > > Bjarne I haven't reenacted much lately, but three years back I was wearing the stays I made 15 and 20 years ago. With the older set, I reinforced the binding under the arms and repaired them a few times. Yes, we wear them quite a lot! I don't know how much your client will be wearing her stays. A dance once a year, or 30 weekends per year, or somewhere in-between? I've seen originals bound in linen tape (late 18thC) but I have not seen any bound with silk. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 13:56:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHuKSm029870 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:56:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EHuCKF012053; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHtYq4062191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHrLup048970; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EHY1GR034783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (209-148-120-20.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3EHEOdD020057 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:14:27 -0700 Message-ID: <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:14:26 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? 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Status: RO Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about > people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive > experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have > l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 14:52:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EIqeq5031649 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EIqW23006945; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EIpchh068169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EH1E2w007871; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EH0rK5007493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3EH0WqF002941 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:00:39 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51947.72.13.239.193.1145034039.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FEF70.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have lost that technology! And then someone will find a corn-husk doll and understand that it was a realistic representation of dress. But did people wear giant corn husks, or make "feathered" garments with them? What base fabric did they use? Can anyone help me with this research, someone said they did not grow corn as large as we do today, but then I saw this movie called "Sleeper" where obviously they did... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 15:09:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ9XFY032374 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:09:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EJ9PqT014743; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:09:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ8wli070124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ8qFj007005; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJ8eA3006785 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24719.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.25]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A9BC2262832 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:08:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c65ff6$dec67760$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:08:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] off topic pyramids X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:09:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FF365.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Have you seen the news about they want to find out the mystery of the new pyramids in Bosnia made 2000 years ago? Pyramids in Europe? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 15:13:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJDIS8032498 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EJDBpU016403; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJCvKF070734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJCpAL010527; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EJCGgB009855 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.399.66b1af (29672) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <399.66b1af.31714e07@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:12:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic pyramids To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 443FF447.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:10:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Pyramids in Europe? **************** well they've got 'em in South and Central America too, y'know. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 17:40:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELevQr005008 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ELeneg010839; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELeQVN091111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELeHZ5036843; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:Oex6vfVrNWYFw3vUbQdsu+0W3QaZo7n2@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ELeAWg036720 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.88] (206-124-5-88.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.88]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3ELatk05414 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:36:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <311.2c4388f.316f3f8a@aol.com> References: <311.2c4388f.316f3f8a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <624697af09ccc669ddd6df3f9e9ffe7b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:41:19 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 444016E1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? I left mine in the back of my car on a hot summer day and it shrank. to where it won't fit any more. Sylrog On Apr 12, 2006, at 11:45 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/13/2006 12:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: > > Can anyone tell me how to stretch a cotton/rayon "cowboy" hat from a > size 6 > 3/4 to a size 7? > > > > Does it have an interior band? If so, you may have to remove it. If > not, > just try steaming, steaming, with a teakettle if you don't have a > proper > steamer, then putting it on the right size form (or maybe even the > head will > work). However, sounds like said hat is cheap enough not to bother, > nor might > that steaming will even work. But you aren't out much if it doesn't. > There are > lots of sources for cheap cowboy hats out there. On-line, try > Shepler's. > Around here, the Latino stores stock straw ones--not felt, so much. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 18:22:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMMJ4W006045 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EMMCHS025840; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMGWYZ095499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMGUhU065666; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMGQCF065525 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.3a5.6a30f0 (29672) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:16:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44402094.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? *********************** I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches shoes] can help you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 18:40:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMepG9006835 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:40:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3EMeiKT032325; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:40:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMeOle098037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMeK5u082972; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:s/eLDFyfFMa0cdLYW81SUjZegULFMzTO@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EMeFcu082902 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.88] (206-124-5-88.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.88]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3EMb3k09018 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:37:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com> References: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3e9d0b25ecf135f7b2cb17a0f702321a@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:41:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 444024EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe I'll check a shoe repair shop. On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather > cowboy hat? > *********************** > > I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to > make > the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches > shoes] can help > you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to > stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 19:10:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENAD2b007775 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:10:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ENA5X1009543; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EN9ioH001390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EN9emv004258; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tonnant.concentric.com (tonnant.concentric.com [207.155.248.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3EN9Tw1004143 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from julie (66-105-235-16.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.16]) by tonnant.concentric.com id TAA20168; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:09:22 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c66018$7a934030$10eb6942@julie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <200604141814.k3EI8LfO060986@net.indra.com> Thread-Index: AcZf74PRQlwq7Hq3QD2re2CDEoypjgAKE14g X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT- reenacting was new fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44402BCD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:14 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 335 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to Is that the one where they discover a toilet and decide it must have been an altar for worship...gave lots of interesting reasons, one of them being its important location in the house. I think about that when we're all discussing some artifact that we have absolutely no clue what it might have been used for and wonder just how much our ancient ancestors must be laughing at how far off we are Julie ***************** Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research about > people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive > experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have > l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 19:38:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENcFnG008705 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:38:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ENc8cs019887; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENbqQU004033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENbj2a023307; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ENbfDe023184 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39b.6b6841 (4418) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:37:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <39b.6b6841.31718c3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:37:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/14/2006 3:30:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? Rather OT, but required reading for all historians! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 14 20:36:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0ar4a010298 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3F0akQ9009220; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0aHC6009424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0aFHd061122; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F0aChh061074 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (unknown [67.77.25.18]) by smtpauth01.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8955132C01D for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:36:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:35:47 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <001001c66024$90c13c70$0700a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <624697af09ccc669ddd6df3f9e9ffe7b@ntw.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:36:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440401E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 5:41 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions You can use a hat stretcher like this one: http://www.benderhats.com/hatstretcher.html I would try using just the stretcher first before adding a softener like Lexol. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 1-4, 2007 Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather cowboy hat? I left mine in the back of my car on a hot summer day and it shrank. to where it won't fit any more. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 04:55:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8tMbX028561 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:55:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3F8tCkv023963; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8sH4R048386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8sGHY058785; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F8sDOn058758 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5506.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.6]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D191262801 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c6606a$3212ca90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001201c65ff6$dec67760$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic pyramids Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:54:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:55:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440B4F0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi again, Its a small town in Bosnia where the mountain outside has the shape of a pyramid. They found out they have long cave paths to other pyramids. Now they want to examin those for real. I really dont believe it, because that mountain (wich i saw in the tele) is huge, and it would be the worlds biggest pyramid then. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] off topic pyramids > Hi, > Have you seen the news about they want to find out the mystery of the new > pyramids in Bosnia made 2000 years ago? Pyramids in Europe? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 08:46:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCkSd8022279 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FCkK2M011857; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCjssi082139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCjrdj096150; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3F3feXU075989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3EIUUTD000839 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:30:35 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52543.72.13.239.193.1145039435.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> References: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <51947.72.13.239.193.1145034039.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440EB1C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes. Does it show? :-D I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some costume content!) -Carol > Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," > featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >> I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research >> about >> people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive >> experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have >> l _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 08:48:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCmgwq022323 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FCmYpd012602; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCmF72082401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCmBFv097841; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FCm83B097720 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:48:02 -0700 Message-ID: <4440EB89.5070708@msn.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 05:48:09 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2006 12:48:02.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[D568DB10:01C6608A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dyed fur-history? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 08:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4440EBA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have you seen any references to dying fur, not just the leather, in anything from 1100-1600? I've only seen one reference to fur of purple, but I am not sure it was dyed. I figured they dyed leather, hair, and cloth...you'd think someone would have thought of it.... Thanks, Sg I've asked this before (a few years ago) and not gotten any leads, but I know there are new people on the list whose experiences and reading might have come across this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 13:06:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FH6Djh027129 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:06:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FH65el012830; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:06:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FH4LSD015510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FH4JNl074145; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3FH4FZ8074035 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 94865 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2006 17:04:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Status: RO my (almost) local hat store will stretch hats. liz young (near sacramento) Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe > I'll check a shoe repair shop. > > On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> sylvia@ntw.net writes: >> >> Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather >> cowboy hat? >> *********************** >> >> I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make >> the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches >> shoes] can help >> you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to >> stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 13:33:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHXqix027656 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FHXj1E023434; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHWnPa018228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHWL2w092914; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FHVn6i092501 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 11:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADF502A8; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:31:33 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 15 Apr 2006 13:31:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c660b2$c8a5ebc0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3a5.6a30f0.3171792e@aol.com><3e9d0b25ecf135f7b2cb17a0f702321a@ntw.net> <4441278A.8060601@fenris.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:58 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44412E79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Curious...when we were in Austin, TX. in the '90s, I was amazed to see as many shoe/hat reconditioning/ cleaning establishments as Cleaners! Or so it seemed. I made the assumption that this might be typical of most Western states. Once or twice I have seen discreet signs where one might be buying Stetsons, of a hat cleaning service available... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Young" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Two questions > my (almost) local hat store will stretch hats. > > liz young (near sacramento) > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > I live in the Denver area and haven't come across any such place. Maybe > > I'll check a shoe repair shop. > > > > On Apr 14, 2006, at 4:16 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > >> In a message dated 4/14/2006 5:44:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >> sylvia@ntw.net writes: > >> > >> Speaking of stretching hats, is there any way to stretch out a leather > >> cowboy hat? > >> *********************** > >> > >> I'm sure you can do that. They stretch gloves and shoes. You need to make > >> the leather supple. I'm sure a shoe repair place [that stretches > >> shoes] can help > >> you with what product will do that. Then you need some kind of form to > >> stretch the hat on. Are there no places that blocks hats in your area? > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 18:39:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FMdmxA002218 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3FMdfco007971; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:39:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FMbtE4044503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3FMbsSS093877; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3FMboft093776 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCEC7M6ALCR4NA for (sender ); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LM2H7ZWY; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:36:04 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:13:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Question Regarding Houndstooth Check Message-ID: <20060415.161346.-146670533.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-8,10-39 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 14:7:7516733 X-MAIL-INFO: 074d09a509441095441090641090ddb5411174ad349d11b9390034a1b9f06079b9050dc14d504dd5cd9081104d64 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn723Ph9LtvGSVTst/sFUQiPERIZ8NhVWoww== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:39:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4441762D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Okay, following on from that information, was houndstooth check used during the 18th century? Karen Seamstrix On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 22:25:29 -0400 Catherine Olanich Raymond writes: > On Sunday 09 April 2006 11:03 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > If memory serves, I believe that houndstooth twill is in: > > North European Textiles Until AD 1000 by Lise Bender Jorgensen. > Aarhus Univ > > Pr (1992), Hardcover ISBN 8772884169 > > > > I can check for you tomorrow if needed. > > There's a nice picture of houndstooth in Margrethe Hald's "Ancient > Danish > Textiles" also. The picture looks as though the check is in a > contrasting > color (it's a black and white photo), but the text claims that the > effect > comes from using threads of different spin directions instead (a > kind of > shadow check effect, I suppose). > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 15 22:53:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2rIna008939 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3G2rAeZ003345; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2qoX9074992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2qmRu064526; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3G2qjnC064479; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d185.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.186]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k3G2qi5B070987; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4441795C.4977.44D71B25@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200604131226.k3DCPUF3087810@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Arrowhead Reinforcement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:53:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4441B196.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There are clear diagrams and instructions for arrowheads in these: The New Butterick Dressmaker by Jacques Worth, Butterick Publishing Co. 1927 on pages 204-5 Sewing Made Easy by Mary Lynch & Dorothy Sara Garden City Books 1950, 1952 & 1960 page 247 Almost every sewing book that I've seen pubbed in the 1st half of the 20th century has these. They may be hidden away in some obscure & unlikely spot, but they are usually there. Sometimes in the embroidery section, sometimes in with the pockets (to reinforce the ends of the slit), sometimes in with the weird little things to do with darts. If you can't find good instructions, let me know, & I'll send photocopies. Yours, Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 09:34:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDYldI005997 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:34:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GDYeLX000789; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:34:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDY3at044753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDY0Bj022750; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GDXuMC022699 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.143.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.143] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FV7Nz-0006iq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <44425542.50705@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:31:30 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:34:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444247F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings, Would someone in the US who's received their copy of the Tudor Tailor and is willing to share information please contact me offlist? Mine has been "delayed," and I need to check on something... Many thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 13:20:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHKEBJ012139 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:20:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GHK5tQ021503; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHJaRR064988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHJX0Z062926; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHJVfn062831 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 6.323.2378a71 (39329) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:19:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:20:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44427CC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but: All this oooing and ahhhing over this book has me stumped. I find it a mediocre affair. Not awful or anything, but certainly not great. All the info can be had elsewhere without much effort. And, though the men's things look pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They look costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me looks like skimpy yardages... especially in the French Farthingale gowns department. Maybe it's the store bought trim on the Henry VIII doublet. I find the patterns basic at best. Very unsophisticated. I could have drafted most of the men's stuff by looking at paintings. And the women's patterns can just about all be found in Janet Arnold [plus some of the men's] or Jean Hunnisette. I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you don't need instructions to put the things together. And speaking of instructions, they are very uneven. You get complete pictorial directions for fitting men's hose [the best thing in the book....very very helpful!!!] but their instructions for making a ruff are: "Starch ruff using preferred method. Set pleats using curling tongs". Geee...thanks! Ok ok...some praise. Like the men's hose section, the headdress section is very inclusive and helpful for the most part. But, again, I find the Gable hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too much and the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like paintings. Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns look skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look unruly. This can be because we modern folk just don't have it down when it comes to pinning and tacking these complicated contraptions together....a daily chore in the period. And the back view of the early Tudor gown on page 110....look at it. The side back pieces are not cut symmetrically. That bold pattern is off by what must be 1/2 an inch or more! To sum up this rant: The book has some very useful info in it, especially concerning men's hose and ladies' head gear. And it's convenient to have it all in one place....men and women. But it's very basic and uneven. Honnisette's book has better instructions for what are practically identical patterns....which if you can understand from this book, you probably don't need instructions. Examples in the book look costume-y and have skimpy yardages and even cutt ing boo-boos. It's well worth having the book. But it's not my favorite by a long shot. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 13:50:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHo2QM012772 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GHntV6027472; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:49:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHlRP8067149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHlQqM079567; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GHlORV079544 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i32so336098wra for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cSarPuwC90b6fWo6Pzkptty8CeRTQcrAlo0Oa5GhCRhWffqpT6mP4UhwVXhNtAxuizxeRxHqTuVxxnbsPxQu7st7lMIeCs7CQ45586pVY+Gl2pnmCJqz6iX/hL3SCiK9KqyYKIT7+TdXkj9EkwKSy3eeU4igBhNe8F61ZjMrv3k= Received: by 10.65.189.13 with SMTP id r13mr255769qbp; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604161047p38294aabp23570355c13401b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:47:23 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3GHlORV079544 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444283C3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree. ;> The book does however, just cover that area of teaching that I needed it to cover, the "I'm curious and want to look right(er), but I don't really want to learn the skills to make it" personality that I occaisionally run across. I'll use it as a teaching tool.... Mari / Bridgette On 4/16/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > I don't mean to be a stick in the mud but: > The book has some very useful info in it, especially concerning men's hose > and ladies' head gear. And it's convenient to have it all in one place....men > and women. > But it's very basic and uneven. Honnisette's book has better instructions > for what are practically identical patterns....which if you can understand from > this book, you probably don't need instructions. > Examples in the book look costume-y and have skimpy yardages and even cutt > ing boo-boos. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 14:08:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8fOu013144 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GI8YfG031729; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8MeK068622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8Kgm091860; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GI8Guh091759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18400 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVBfU-0005xt-LA for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:08:17 -0500 Message-ID: <06f501c66180$b86542f0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:08:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44428822.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't received my copy yet--I've been having really bad luck with pre-orders lately!--but I want to make a few comments anyway, particularly on the skimpy yardage issue. I think we have a false idea of how much yardage they did use; this might not be surprising, considering how lush many paintings make dresses look, but if you examine the yardage given in inventories and in the few survivng pattern books, you might find those very skimpy indeed, in terms of the modern yardage used to make the same styles. In other words, I think Ninya et al have research to back up the skimpiness. Speaking of which, there's certainly a lot of evidence to back up mismatched patterns on fabric as well! The headwear, though, based on what I've seen of their work in general, I do have serious reservations about. I fall into the French-hoods-lay-flat-or-at-least-flattER camp, and though I have seen one or two paintings/images of hoods that stand up a bit (like the recent profile portrait of Mary that was discussed here a few weeks back), it's generally like nails on a chalkboard for me to see an otherwise accurate recreation of a style spoiled by a hood that stands up like that, especially when it clearly doesn't in the original. Also, I am bothered by the whatchamacallits, the striped and crossed strips 'padding' on the gable headdresses. I have yet to see a recreation of those that looked RIGHT to me, and it's frustrating, since I don't have any bright ideas for how to make them look right, either, apart from actually stuffing them in some complicated way to make them puffy but not TOO puffy. But I'm still very much looking forward to finally getting the book! And I'm a bit relieved that I'm not the only one who has yet to receive her pre-ordered copy--anyone else not have theirs yet? I just sent a slightly panicky email to Ninya because I couldn't find any record of the order in my Paypal account! -E House PS--I don't have my pre-ordered new Geoff Egan book, either. Talked to Amazon, and it turns out that they basically put the non-preorders ahead of the pre-orders in line, because the pre-orders had been bought at a discounted price. Then they ran out before they got around to filling all the pre-orders. Infuriating! So now my book, pre-ordered sometime around the beginning of Dec 2005, will arrive at the earliest by the middle of May 2006. I don't think I'm going to bother to pre-order anymore. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 14:30:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GIUA6B013504 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:30:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GIU3IY003760; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:30:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GITkU9070388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GITjXn004997; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GITfQ3004899 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2cf.70a693e (39332) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:29:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:30:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44428D2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/2006 2:09:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: In other words, I think Ninya et al have research to back up the skimpiness. Speaking of which, there's certainly a lot of evidence to back up mismatched patterns on fabric as well! ***************** I will agree with you wholeheartedly. But, accurate or not...it still looks bad. What about the way it looks? Doesn't that matter to reenactors too? And there's no excuse for a 1/2 inch miss-match unless you're cutting from scraps....and they weren't. [I have been guilty of it too] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:08:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ8ESO014269 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:08:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJ87UA012294; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:08:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ6c4f073682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ6a7P027621; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJ6Weh027558 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03974 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:40:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:40:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:08:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44429617.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK, now I'm curious. I haven't seen the book, and the descriptions I've seen range so far that it's hard to figure out that they're all talking about the same thing. So. In terms of approach (not subject matter), is this book closer to Janet Arnold, e.g. "here's detailed, strictly documented information on specific existing pieces of clothing, which may or may not be representative, and which may or may not work for you in practice, depending on your understanding of period techniques"? Or is it closer to Sarah Thursfield, e.g. "here's how to make various style of period clothing, based on what I understand of period practice, but with some gaps filled in for purposes of the modern costumer"? Or something else? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQeSM014527 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:26:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJQX2E016205; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:26:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQFvc075034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQCua039070; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJQ9gx039048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18478 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVCsx-00030Z-TX for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <071e01c6618b$9d022630$ab00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:26:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:26:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44429A69.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > But, accurate or not...it still looks bad. What about the way it looks? > Doesn't that matter to reenactors too? > > And there's no excuse for a 1/2 inch miss-match unless you're cutting from > scraps....and they weren't. [I have been guilty of it too] Well, I definitely prefer the fuller look myself! But I want to at least know what the skimpy-but-accurate look actually looks like before I go on to try to get a 9yd+ hem out of 5 yds fabric. =} I also go to great lengths to match patterns on fabric, sigh. I wonder if they got a hunk of fabric like the one I am saving for a special project, where the pattern is off-center on the cloth by two or three inches? If I were to double it over and cut both right and left at once, I'd wind up very off-kilter, unless I remembered to waste that 2 or 3 inches by not folding the cloth exactly in half. I hate matching patterns. Hate. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:48:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJmehZ015589 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:48:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJmXkP021354; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:48:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJm3aZ078004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJm13U052597; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from glatton.concentric.com (glatton.concentric.com [207.155.248.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJlwbc052565 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from julie (66-105-235-11.sd-02.cvx.algx.net [66.105.235.11]) by glatton.concentric.com id PAA27134; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:47:56 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Julie Tamura" To: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:47:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c6618e$a97d0170$0beb6942@julie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 thread-index: AcZhf8wfYW1sNAlLSemx4b6PIWGSagADRNlA In-Reply-To: <200604161800.k3GI09El087040@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:48:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44429F91.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- **No relations here, but my comments below** All this oooing and ahhhing over this book has me stumped. I find it a mediocre affair. Not awful or anything, but certainly not great. **I find it clear with good diagrams and lots of color pictures** I find the patterns basic at best. Very unsophisticated. I could have drafted most of the men's stuff by looking at paintings. And the women's patterns can just about all be found in Janet Arnold [plus some of the men's] or Jean Hunnisette. **Maybe -you- can draft them, I can't. I own Hunnisette, Arnold, QEWU, Medieval Tailor's Assistant, and several others. I've been looking back and forth among them to finally understand what I want to make and how to go about it. I'm finding the Tudor Tailor much friendlier to a novice costumer.** I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you don't need instructions to put the things together. **I wish** And speaking of instructions, they are very uneven. You get complete pictorial directions for fitting men's hose [the best thing in the book....very very helpful!!!] but their instructions for making a ruff are: "Starch ruff using preferred method. Set pleats using curling tongs". Geee...thanks! **I have to admit to disappointment with the ruff instructions and I have discussed this with the author. I'm on the Tudor Tailor-specific Yahoo group, which has been also very informative.** Ok ok...some praise. Like the men's hose section, the headdress section is very inclusive and helpful for the most part. But, again, I find the Gable hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too much and the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like paintings. It's well worth having the book. But it's not my favorite by a long shot. **I'm thrilled with it. I preordered, and wasn't disappointed.** ------------------------------ The book does however, just cover that area of teaching that I needed it to cover, the "I'm curious and want to look right(er), but I don't really want to learn the skills to make it" personality that I occaisionally run across. I'll use it as a teaching tool.... **If we could get our group to look this good we'd be better than most of what I'm seeing out there.** Julie in San Diego (Melanie - I have mine and I'll share info) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 15:58:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJwDUm015758 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GJw6NH023566; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJopef078280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJop7x054497; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GJokUS054462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (209-148-124-46.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.46]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3GJohEr031797 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:50:45 -0700 Message-ID: <4442A017.8040107@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:50:47 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Has anyone heard of the new fabric? References: <20060413072038.6D8A646D@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <51947.72.13.239.193.1145034039.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <443FD872.9010701@lavoltapress.com> <52543.72.13.239.193.1145039435.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <52543.72.13.239.193.1145039435.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442A1CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What I liked was the toothbrush earrings. That book is priceless. Fran aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Yes. Does it show? :-D > > I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some > costume content!) > > -Carol > > >>Did you ever read a graphic novel called "Motel of the Mysteries," >>featuring the archaelogical discovery of a 20th-century motel? >> >>Fran >>Lavolta Press >>http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >>aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >> >>> I'm imagining the reenactor of the future doing light research >>>about >>>people in the early 21stC wearing corn. They will do extensive >>>experiments with spinning and weaving the corn silk - we must have >>>l > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 16:26:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKQRL7016407 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GKQKcx029975; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKQ4Gg081701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:26:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKPpK9075899; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKPkKF075820 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3GKGMA17001 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:16:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:32:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442A86C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think, closer to Thursfield from your description (although I've not actually heard of Thursfield before?), given what I saw of the book (haven't ordered my copy yet). They were definitely assuming some basic sewing knowledge, so it's not as basic as, say, Winter and Savoy, but it's not the archaeological/historical text that Arnold is, either. I didn't spend more than 5 or 10 minutes looking at my friend's copy, but these are the impressions I got: --At cursory glance, the people and outfits looked pretty good--at least like really good theatrical stuff without the shortcuts --It was particularly nice to see clothing that was not entirely royal/upper class, and of both genders --They covered a good part of Tudor/Elizabethan clothing --It seemed, at cursory glance, to be skimpy in the juicy details. Almost more like a coffee table costuming book than a down-and-dirty-in-the-sewing room how-to book --I will definitely purchase one, but I wouldn't rely on it as my sole source for 16th century English clothing by any means --I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but it may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. If not, it would have been nice to see--say, available articles on knitting one's own stockings, or sources for fabrics, etc., as well as primary sources (extant garments, portraiture, etc.) --I also thought "dang, but it's a shame we don't have something like this for earlier time periods. ;o)" --Sue's two pence worth (handily fueled by Dove chocolate eggs and Easter brunch....mmm....lamb...mmmm) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > > OK, now I'm curious. I haven't seen the book, and the descriptions I've > seen range so far that it's hard to figure out that they're all talking > about the same thing. > > So. In terms of approach (not subject matter), is this book closer to > Janet Arnold, e.g. "here's detailed, strictly documented information on > specific existing pieces of clothing, which may or may not be > representative, and which may or may not work for you in practice, > depending on your understanding of period techniques"? Or is it closer to > Sarah Thursfield, e.g. "here's how to make various style of period > clothing, based on what I understand of period practice, but with some > gaps filled in for purposes of the modern costumer"? Or something else? > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 16:32:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKW9kv016592 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GKW2Bu031480; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:32:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKVgVK082158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKVdtg079355; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKVa2B079282 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2ce.73cc002 (39332) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2ce.73cc002.31740398@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:31:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:32:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442A9C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/2006 3:48:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jtknits@jtknits.cts.com writes: I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you don't need instructions to put the things together. **I wish** ******************** I'm sure you are greatly underestimating your abilities! I remember when I was learning in school. I used to think how complicated and overwhelming these strange and elaborate ensembles were. And in a way they certainly are. But, it's just like when a student asked the designer of "Nutcracker" there at the time: 'How do you design this monster?" She said "Well how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time." It was a great help to me when I started thinking in terms of [what the Brits like to call] "bits". You do each little bit of a costume, then assemble the whole thing out of finished [or almost finished] bits. The sleeve, the bodice, the skirt...all bits you can usually tackle like each was a solo project. [especially in this period] But they aren't solo projects so that's why the design needs to be rendered and worked out before hand. We've all seen the results of not thinking it through. But don't misunderstand my picky criticism of the "The Tudor Tailor". It is a genuinely helpful volume that will be a gold mine to many. It's just a lot of it was old hat to me. All these volumes, Arnold, Hunnisett, and so on compliment each other and I recommend consulting all of them if you can. Everyone works differently and will glean different things from a combination of great and helpful sources. Now...stop knocking your sewing skills and cut that gown out! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 16:53:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKrWjC016963 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:53:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GKrPau004208; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:53:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKr9iv083751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:53:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKr7x9092109; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GKr2DQ092020 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04730 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:26:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:53:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442AEC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think, closer to Thursfield from your description (although I've not > actually heard of Thursfield before?), The Medieval Tailor's Assistant. > --I also thought "dang, but it's a shame we don't have something like this > for earlier time periods. ;o)" That would be Thursfield. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 17:55:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLttnM018321 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:55:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GLtmi2021661; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLs52W088663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLs33L029766; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GLrxRA029691 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m129.in-tch.com [216.166.191.129]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3GLibA00859 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:44:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004801c661a1$4baa03a0$81bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442BD64.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ahh...thanks. That's one I've heard of, but not seen/purchased. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > > On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > I think, closer to Thursfield from your description (although I've not > > actually heard of Thursfield before?), > > The Medieval Tailor's Assistant. > > > --I also thought "dang, but it's a shame we don't have something like this > > for earlier time periods. ;o)" > > That would be Thursfield. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM240J018485 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GM1vKl023330; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:02:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM1SXi089299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM1QOW034485; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp02.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.155]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GM1NYb034404 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP02.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:01:18 -0700 Message-ID: <4442BEB8.8020007@msn.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:01:28 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2006 22:01:18.0594 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A026E20:01C661A1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:02:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442BED5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO These are interesting comments - I got my copy and am happy with it. I don't think it was meant to be a scholarly book, nor a step by step guide to how to make these articles of clothing. I don't think you can convey all the things you need to make excellent garments in a book. Even Margo's patterns, which have detailed instructions, will not get you a great fitting, beautiful garment. I have all of the books mentioned before, but what it really takes is lots of practice, lots of fiddling, and/or a skilled person to study with to produce excellent garments. What I like about the book is that it is inspiring. It is another example (I am thinking of Drea, and Margo here) of someone starting out where we all do, and then moving to a different level. It is a great example of how hard work can get you, doing for a living, what you love to do and how self publishing really is attainable for the 'average' guy. I don't need the book to help me figure what to do out anymore, but am very happy to have it in my collection as a reference to how other people "do it." Are the gowns absolutely perfect? No, but I can find faults with lots of other reconstructions - even the goddess Arnold's - the question may be, can I do them any better? Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:51:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMp6Qg019274 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GMoxoh002322; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMol1o093778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMoiUv063970; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMocC5063901 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA1ABF9 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151329.03736850@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:17:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442CA53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:40 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >Or is it closer to >Sarah Thursfield, e.g. "here's how to make various style of period >clothing, based on what I understand of period practice, but with some >gaps filled in for purposes of the modern costumer"? Hi Robin, It's closer to Sarah Thursfield recreation of a garment based on what we know, and that appears rather extensive on what they know. Not perfect, as some garments cannot be made from extent garments that don't exist (or are hiding really well). But they did do their research, and not just looking at paintings or illuminations, but effigies, letters, and wills as well. Not perfect, but a damn site better than Winter/Savoy for beginners in making up garments that look truer to the period. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:51:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpBZE019275 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GMp4Tx012072; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMolRK093779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMoi8B063971; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMobsA063892 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0369ABEA for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416150932.0367f0a0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:10:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442CA58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:32 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >--I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but it >may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. If not, it would have >been nice to see--say, available articles on knitting one's own stockings, >or sources for fabrics, etc., as well as primary sources (extant garments, >portraiture, etc.) There is a very extensive bibliography in the back, several pages that follow along with the noted numbers in the front sections. Even the various redrawn images have notes as to where they originated from. There is even some sources for where to get supplies, both UK and US based. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 18:51:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpjbO019286 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GMpcP4002293; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpCdt093837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:51:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMpB47064262; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GMocmg063903 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 16:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6DDABFA for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151832.036802a8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:50:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:51:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442CA7A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, It's ok that you have a negative perspective on the book, and I thank you for sharing that as we all needed a critical and honest look. I actually was rather pleased with the book. At 10:19 AM 4/16/2006, you wrote: >> >pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They >look >costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because >everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. They look like clothes to me, compared to the many costume-y garments I see at various faires in my area. And reading the book, there is a lot of hand sewing going on in the directions. About the only machine sewing I am reading (and I am by no means done reading) is the side and back seams, the lining is noted as going in by hand. > I find the patterns basic at best. Very unsophisticated. I could have >drafted most of the men's stuff by looking at paintings. To my perspective, all patterns at it's root during this time are basic. Rectangles, form fitting shapes, draped sleeves based again on rectangles. Looking at Bruegel recently I noted a number of rectangles and basic patterns at the root of the peasant's garments. >And the women's patterns >can just about all be found in Janet Arnold [plus some of the men's] or Jean >Hunnisette. Agreed. Which is a good thing to my mind as I would be a bit concerned if her patterns didn't look similar. >I think if you can understand such patterns, you are to a point where you >don't need instructions to put the things together. Perhaps for some of us who have done this for awhile, but I see this as a good book for beginners to learn from as well. >> but their instructions for making a ruff are: "Starch ruff using >preferred method. Set pleats using curling tongs". Geee...thanks! They also include a picture of a woman setting a ruff, which helps more than just words can sometimes do. But that last part was at the end of basic instructions for how to make the ruff to begin with. >>But, again, I find the Gable >hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too >much and >the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like paintings. That is the gable hood without the "undercap front", which is why it looks odd. I think they did that to show the bound hair crossed over the head, which is one theory of what those striped pieces were supposed to be, covered or just with a ribbon binding. Her directions actually call for striped silk for the hair casings. > Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns look >skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look >unruly. This > can be because we modern folk just don't have it down when it comes to >pinning and tacking these complicated contraptions together....a daily >chore in >the period. Could be. A friend made up the Hunnisett gown, and it looked just as unruly, and skimpy in some ways. >And the back view of the early Tudor gown on page 110....look at it. The >side back pieces are not cut symmetrically. That bold pattern is off by what >must be 1/2 an inch or more! Wouldn't that be for the seam allowance for the back and side back pieces? Although I understand where that arrangement of pattern pieces comes from, I personally don't understand what they are supposed to do to the garment. > To sum up this rant: >The book has some very useful info in it, especially concerning men's hose >and ladies' head gear. And it's convenient to have it all in one >place....men >and women. Agreed. It also has a lot of background info all in one place, along with the patterns, which is great if you don't have Arnold or Hunnisett in your library already (which Hunnisett's books are getting harder and more expensive to buy, especially if you are new). >But it's very basic and uneven. Honnisette's book has better instructions >for what are practically identical patterns....which if you can understand >from >this book, you probably don't need instructions. While I have had a couple of items that I found confusing, for the most part I have been able to easily follow the directions in the book. The question is, how easy would beginners find the instructions? That I can't answer. >Examples in the book look costume-y and have skimpy yardages and even cutt >ing boo-boos. I don't agree, as at least in my area, if we could create and wear garments to this level, the look of the events would greatly increase. Perhaps it is the perspective of the areas we live and work for. >It's well worth having the book. But it's not my favorite by a long shot. >_______________________________________________ For me, it has become a favorite for many reasons. A big part is the decent price and updated info all in one book. There is a quote from the book that explains the writers' aim with this book. "There is an identifiable hierarchy of activities: replication, reconstruction and re-creation. The first is an attempt to duplicate an extant item exactly; the second involves some justifiable speculation; and the third uses guesswork and imagination. This book is primarily concerned with reconstruction." I think they succeeded in their aim. No, it isn't perfect, but it is a darn site better than most books available to the beginning to intermediate costumer, which either can be overwhelming in the amount of info, too expensive to buy unless you are serious, or feeds you wrong information in the guise of helping you to just get started. I have learned a bit more than I already did, and that is always a good thing. Just my perspective. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 19:22:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNMfNJ019735 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3GNMY0j009555; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNMBMf096646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNM92g082686; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3GNM5cB082661 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m115.in-tch.com [216.166.191.115]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3GNCjA14151 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:12:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000901c661ad$9b3c61e0$73bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> <6.2.1.2.0.20060416150932.0367f0a0@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:29:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:22:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442D1BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for pointing that out! I'll be looking forward to seeing it when I get to order my own copy! (Guess that's what I get for not getting to do an in-depth look at the one my friend has, huh? ) --Sue, who sometimes thinks that biblios are the best parts of books ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > At 01:32 PM 4/16/2006, you wrote: > >--I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but it > >may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. If not, it would have > >been nice to see--say, available articles on knitting one's own stockings, > >or sources for fabrics, etc., as well as primary sources (extant garments, > >portraiture, etc.) > > > There is a very extensive bibliography in the back, several pages that > follow along with the noted numbers in the front sections. Even the various > redrawn images have notes as to where they originated from. There is even > some sources for where to get supplies, both UK and US based. > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 22:34:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2Xxee022783 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:34:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H2XqUF024852; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:33:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2XYaa014032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2XWHk099478; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2XQeW099342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3H4Kl68031332 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:20:47 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <002e01c66194$f7377a20$81bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604162140.00132.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:33:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4442FE90.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 16 April 2006 4:32 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: [snip] > --I don't recall seeing an extensive bibliography or list of sources, but > it may have been in there and I just didn't catch it. The formally named "Bibliography" is short but the authors say that most of their sources are cited in full in the endnotes, of which there are nearly 3 pages, written three columns to a page in very small type. (pages 156-158 inclusive). -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 22:42:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gq89022895 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:42:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H2gj4E027466; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:42:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gVMH014682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gSRU005262; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H2gPvc005183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3H4Tkut031561 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:29:46 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:48:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151832.036802a8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060416151832.036802a8@64.87.54.245> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604162148.58912.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:42:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444300A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 16 April 2006 6:50 pm, Kimiko Small wrote: [snip] > At 10:19 AM 4/16/2006, you [AlbertCat] wrote: > >> > >pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > >look > >costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > >everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. > > They look like clothes to me, compared to the many costume-y garments I see > at various faires in my area. And reading the book, there is a lot of hand > sewing going on in the directions. About the only machine sewing I am > reading (and I am by no means done reading) is the side and back seams, the > lining is noted as going in by hand. I agree with Kimiko here. The few outfits where I disagree I believe the problem can be attributed to a less than optimal fabric choice. I would like to see more information about how to choose fabrics that are likely to look and behave appropriate in the next edition (assuming there is one!). [snip] > >>But, again, I find the Gable > >hood pictured not convincing at all. It stands away from the head too > >much and > >the crossed, striped pieces over the forehead look nothing like > > paintings. > > That is the gable hood without the "undercap front", which is why it looks > odd. I think they did that to show the bound hair crossed over the head, > which is one theory of what those striped pieces were supposed to be, > covered or just with a ribbon binding. Her directions actually call for > striped silk for the hair casings. The biggest problem I found so far is that the comments in the text on French hoods appear to disagree with directions given in the back for making the French hood. The text says, for example, at page 28 that the foundation of all hoods was a separate linen undercap "which could be washed." The French hood pattern makes a hood with an integral "bag cap" and implies that the "bag cap" part could be used to make a separate "undercap" instead. I'm also wondering what the evidence is for the "separate undercap" interpretation (though it seems rational enough) but it's possible it's included in the endnotes, which are written in teensy print which I haven't yet tried to read. > > Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns > > look skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look > > unruly. This > > can be because we modern folk just don't have it down when it comes to > >pinning and tacking these complicated contraptions together....a daily > >chore in the period. I agree, but I also suspect it's a fabric choice problem. > No, it isn't perfect, but it is a darn site better than most books > available to the beginning to intermediate costumer, which either can be > overwhelming in the amount of info, too expensive to buy unless you are > serious, or feeds you wrong information in the guise of helping you to just > get started. I have learned a bit more than I already did, and that is > always a good thing. I agree with this opinion also. No one book is, or should be, the be-all and end-all on any area of historic costume. That doesn't mean that some books aren't worthy of praise for trying to support the efforts of those of us interested in reconstructing period costume. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 16 23:41:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H3fRZS023793 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H3fK0D011528; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H3elBk019167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H3ekdC040651; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52203.mail.yahoo.com (web52203.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.126]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3H3eeqs040511 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 21:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 27547 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2006 03:40:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w6O7yPXCVw8Sc0H/12+CkNj51FsjdTjCPJD8ReJhlIx9FRjGhUVYjay6O9Kp1VksUxeGqtZk1leVTM+Zz5HSV6qbUw1Wm9fYjzOFCGta821qqE1g5NLaBNzEIj+6qcOp18P/gOckRaDO+2CXkEMgNNG4A+9IGleYosobOrEcB1w= ; Message-ID: <20060417034010.27545.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:40:10 EDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <06f501c66180$b86542f0$ab00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:41:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44430E60.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Amazon just keeps giving me a longer estimated date of delivery for Tudor Tailor. After going thru my previous orders with Amazon I found out I had never received a book with estimated time of delivery date May 17 2002 -July 2 2002. This book is still offered on their site?? and now it's cheaper than what I paid 4 yrs. ago. I plan to cancel the order as soon as I get an explanation of why it wasn't shipped sometime in the last 4 yrs.. So far all I've got is past the buck and standard form returns. Now I'm worried about getting this book so I email often. Brin Kendall E House wrote: I haven't received my copy yet--I've been having really bad luck with pre-orders lately!--but I want to make a few comments anyway, particularly on the skimpy yardage issue. I think we have a false idea of how much yardage they did use; this might not be surprising, considering how lush many paintings make dresses look, but if you examine the yardage given in inventories and in the few survivng pattern books, you might find those very skimpy indeed, in terms of the modern yardage used to make the same styles. In other words, I think Ninya et al have research to back up the skimpiness. Speaking of which, there's certainly a lot of evidence to back up mismatched patterns on fabric as well! The headwear, though, based on what I've seen of their work in general, I do have serious reservations about. I fall into the French-hoods-lay-flat-or-at-least-flattER camp, and though I have seen one or two paintings/images of hoods that stand up a bit (like the recent profile portrait of Mary that was discussed here a few weeks back), it's generally like nails on a chalkboard for me to see an otherwise accurate recreation of a style spoiled by a hood that stands up like that, especially when it clearly doesn't in the original. Also, I am bothered by the whatchamacallits, the striped and crossed strips 'padding' on the gable headdresses. I have yet to see a recreation of those that looked RIGHT to me, and it's frustrating, since I don't have any bright ideas for how to make them look right, either, apart from actually stuffing them in some complicated way to make them puffy but not TOO puffy. But I'm still very much looking forward to finally getting the book! And I'm a bit relieved that I'm not the only one who has yet to receive her pre-ordered copy--anyone else not have theirs yet? I just sent a slightly panicky email to Ninya because I couldn't find any record of the order in my Paypal account! -E House PS--I don't have my pre-ordered new Geoff Egan book, either. Talked to Amazon, and it turns out that they basically put the non-preorders ahead of the pre-orders in line, because the pre-orders had been bought at a discounted price. Then they ran out before they got around to filling all the pre-orders. Infuriating! So now my book, pre-ordered sometime around the beginning of Dec 2005, will arrive at the earliest by the middle of May 2006. I don't think I'm going to bother to pre-order anymore. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Enrich your life at Yahoo! Canada Finance --------------------------------- Make Yahoo! Canada your Homepage Yahoo! Canada Homepage _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 03:07:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H77nOH017158 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:07:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3H77fDJ000859; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H76kut034810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H76hdE061084; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp07.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H76d5u060994 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 01:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP07.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <44433E84.3090308@msn.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:06:44 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <323.2378a71.3173d69a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2006 07:06:33.0643 (UTC) FILETIME=[75B2BFB0:01C661ED] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Unruly Skirts-was Tudor Tailor....a review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 03:07:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44433EBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I overlooked this in my original response, and I am not exactly sure which items you mean, but... When researching my late Elizabethan, and trying to make a decieison on how to attach the skirt, I found that there were some gowns which had "highly regulated" pleated attachment, (with the pleats arranged very neatly, and consicely) (*http://tinyurl.com/hcceb)*, and others where the skirt appeared to simply be gathered, or arranged in varying sized pleats (though usually symetrically arranged), with the pinning done almost "free form." (*http://tinyurl.com/hqvss )* This was a surprise to me when I really started looking hard at them. In my mind, the "icon" had been only those with highly regulated pleating. And depending on what you mean by "French Farthingale gowns" for yardage, there are examples of statuary with prettty small skirts (I mean if you compared the diameters of the "circles.") On some, with a woman's arm next to them, their fingers would just reach the end of the skirt top, if they had their elbows right at their sides. There are others, where if you compare the skirt top to the brim of hat, they only appear to be ~ six inches wide or so. As I recall we used 11 yards of fabric for the inner gown (there were a total 44 in the entire ensemble), At least-3 went into the bodice and sleeves, but that was a pretty big dang skirt. *http://tinyurl.com/me7tq* I also had thought the drum farthingale was alway symetrically round. Clearly this is not the case, though there is one gown on her site http://www.ninyamikhaila.com/Siobhan.html (and her book) where the flat side of the farthingale apears to be in back which I have never seen in portraiture....but then it wouldn't surprise me if they did that. They had to get to the flat panier style of the late 1700's some how and it makes sense to me that the transition started by just whacking off the front and backs of the cartwheel farthingales, because they wanted to put their arms down, or be able to sit in a chair with a back on it! Sg AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Some other problems...like I mentioned, the French Farthingale gowns look >skimpy in the skirts....and on top of that the whole ensembles look unruly. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 08:58:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCweXG001583 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HCwXnW005549; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCuegs065657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCudiY080619; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H0Zutu026452 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.31e.2e00e7a (57317) for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <31e.2e00e7a.31743ce1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:35:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444390F9.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/2006 6:01:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world. **************** Now that I can agree with. The book is not unapproachable. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 08:58:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCwmx1001584 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HCwfI7003653; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCu0Ek065617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HCtxsG080096; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3H0MiAq018705 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 18:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AFCD0240; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:22:37 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 16 Apr 2006 20:22:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c661b5$62e83dc0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> <071e01c6618b$9d022630$ab00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:25:07 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:58:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44439101.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have to add that after examining extant 18th C garments, I am amazed at all the piecing that was used to get the whole costume out of a given fabric yardage.Lots!! Matching patterns, never mind grain, did not seem to be a high priority. Using today's fabric widths often prompts wider skirts or fuller sleeves because our aesthetic consciousness allows for an opulence that may never have been possible in times past. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > But, accurate or not...it still looks bad. What about the way it looks? > > Doesn't that matter to reenactors too? > > > > And there's no excuse for a 1/2 inch miss-match unless you're cutting from > > scraps....and they weren't. [I have been guilty of it too] > > Well, I definitely prefer the fuller look myself! But I want to at least > know what the skimpy-but-accurate look actually looks like before I go on to > try to get a 9yd+ hem out of 5 yds fabric. =} I also go to great lengths to > match patterns on fabric, sigh. I wonder if they got a hunk of fabric like > the one I am saving for a special project, where the pattern is off-center > on the cloth by two or three inches? If I were to double it over and cut > both right and left at once, I'd wind up very off-kilter, unless I > remembered to waste that 2 or 3 inches by not folding the cloth exactly in > half. I hate matching patterns. Hate. > > -E House > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 10:29:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETGLH004280 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HET8i8014763; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HESLfJ074746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HESILF053798; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HESEdt053731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:22118 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FVUi9-00040V-EU for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:28:18 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c6622b$28cbf9d0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060417034010.27545.qmail@web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:28:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443A634.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Reardon" > So far all I've got is past the buck and standard form returns. Now I'm > worried about getting this book so I email often. >> You might try calling, as someone suggested on here for my problem a while back. The number is 1-800-201-7575, and I got through with no waiting. The person I talked to was helpful, and upgraded my shipping to 2-day mail. Of course I'm still a bit fussed at Amazon for being kind of underhanded, but it was definitely worth calling--they never would have (hopefully) fixed the problem if I hadn't. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 10:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETpku004301 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HETiWE010831; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETKFd074863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETHs6054656; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HETExD054534 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IXV00JH3EVG0J29@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:28:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Thread-index: AcZiKzDjb5XTaM4eEdqUVgAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:29:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443A658.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world." Well said. Elizabeth On 4/16/06 6:01 PM, "WickedFrau" wrote: > These are interesting comments - I got my copy and am happy with it. I > don't think it was meant to be a scholarly book, nor a step by step > guide to how to make these articles of clothing. I don't think you can > convey all the things you need to make excellent garments in a book. > Even Margo's patterns, which have detailed instructions, will not get > you a great fitting, beautiful garment. I have all of the books > mentioned before, but what it really takes is lots of practice, lots of > fiddling, and/or a skilled person to study with to produce excellent > garments. > > What I like about the book is that it is inspiring. It is another > example (I am thinking of Drea, and Margo here) of someone starting out > where we all do, and then moving to a different level. It is a great > example of how hard work can get you, doing for a living, what you love > to do and how self publishing really is attainable for the 'average' guy. > > I don't need the book to help me figure what to do out anymore, but am > very happy to have it in my collection as a reference to how other > people "do it." Are the gowns absolutely perfect? No, but I can find > faults with lots of other reconstructions - even the goddess Arnold's - > the question may be, can I do them any better? > > Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the > snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a > notch" in the historical reconstruction world. > > Sg > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:12:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGClXj007654 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGCdTu029129; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGBYMQ098547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGBIbh054047; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGBDhq053851 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.337.2cccf62 (57293) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <337.2cccf62.31751810@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:10:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443BE77.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/17/2006 8:57:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: Matching patterns, never mind grain, did not seem to be a high priority. ********************* I disagree. Just look at the 1st gowns in the Kyoto book. And there are period written accounts about the skills of tailors matching fabrics. Of course lots of piecing goes on....especially if the gown is cut from another gown [and I'll bet the original gown matched], but I bet a lot of effort went into disguising piecing and matching things up whenever possible. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:31:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGVe00008732 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:31:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGVWt7004422; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGUWaA004619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGUDHC071846; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGU3RG071669 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09365 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:30:02 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:30:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Thread-Index: AcZiHsHkIdY2nKbAQIC4oEfwhf2NdgAHE8wg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HGU3RG071669 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C2E4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, the Fashion in Detail digrams in the 17th-18th volume and 19th volume, detail that a lot of piecing was necessary whether a new garment or one remodled or made from an older one. Fabric was very expensive and labor was cheap which is the opposite of today. Every little bit of fabric possible was used when needed and fashions, of course, changed much more slowly than today. I find often that the given yardage in today's patterns is often very generous and I can often cut a garment for a doll or the rare times when I sew for myself(where the fabric will work for a doll too)with enough yardage to spare for said doll. If you are 5'4" or less, you often need less yardage, a rare benefit for us shorties out there! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:35:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGZ67I008807 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGYxbd005778; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGX6Hx005627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:33:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGWvVT074831; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGWnVZ074581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k3HGWip85936 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:32:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 17 Apr 2006 11:32:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:32:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:32:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Tailor....a review X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C3B3.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Further more, Ninya is generous, encouraging, and lacks some of the snoberism I have detected in some other people who have moved "up a notch" in the historical reconstruction world." Well said. Elizabeth =================================== Jane too :). Catherine who is still waiting for her copy too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:40:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGeqdI008924 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGejmT008233; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGdr5n008256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGdMKX080962; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGdDR3080690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k3HGd0Q16593 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 17 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:39:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:38:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help identifying something X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:40:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C50D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is anyone familiar with this painting: http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html or have access to a larger or more detailed image? I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. My initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have shrugged off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying around if she is nude :). Any ideas? Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 12:50:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGoACo009406 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HGo0IF011624; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGnTUE012394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGnMdl090620; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGnDlu090450 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aoghann@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x37so435467nfc for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hTnQDlY0XsG9nKiULN7yElDOAxbRXuMcb4JWDvX0JL67XipBOzEwxh6lDhxO6GxsHl/lqcyK0zoT6L0fL9MwRmdExehTgYAz4UjkD+mE+/fvGY8rThlvPFW4WFJD6owbH5xHa6jxouDmiNFftUyBUqwKihIoimts15uNFoCSP40= Received: by 10.49.58.1 with SMTP id l1mr2630504nfk; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.255.3 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:49:12 -0400 From: "Lonnie D. Harvel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HGnDlu090450 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:50:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C738.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Perhaps for some of us who have done this for awhile, but I see this as a > good book for beginners to learn from as well. First, let me say that I am thoroughly enjoying my copy of the book. But, I would never put it in the hands of a beginner. Well, let me be careful, that would be based on what you mean by a beginner. If it is a competent costumer who has not worked in the Tudor period, I would have no problem at all. However, If you are talking about a competent sewer, who has never worked in period costuming (or someone who has never done much sewing at all), then this book would be a problem for them. There are many assumptions about technique and terminology that would completely lose a non-costumer. Things like "grown-in" collars and such. More importantly, there is no clear indication of what patterns go with what instructions and with what pictures of actual clothing. Experienced costumers can sort it out, but beginners would be absolutely lost. For example, there is a picture of a man wearing a jerkin over a doublet and hose that are slashed at the knee. The jerkin has a collar, but the jerkin pattern does not. Also, the jerkin has puffed sleeve caps, which the pattern also lacks. The doublet pattern is a little easier to connect with the image. In both cases, you will need to figure out which instructions apply to what. And so on. The text does not even give hints as to which figure/diagram the instruction applies to. If I was going to hand a doublet/jerkin pattern to a beginner, it would probably be Simplicity 5574. The pattern is identical to what is in the Tudor Tailer (and the Janet Arnold) but with most of the guess work (and therefore some of the fit) taken out. In fact, out of curiosity, I took the doublet I cut from the TT and laid it on top of my copy of 5574 (which was real fun digging out of my boxes, found lots of other neat stuff I had forgotton was in there). Anyway, they lined up almost exactly. Aoghann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:00:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HH075U009607 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:00:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HH006c015434; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:00:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HGo4DD012650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3CHF0KG040763; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3CHDeIL039509 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9370 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2006 17:13:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.198.202 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2006 17:13:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:13:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] kid skin In-Reply-To: <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:00:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443C990.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 16:08 12/04/2006, you wrote: > > In a message dated 4/12/2006 9:36:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > > > Many extant corsets use chamois leather, like the leather you can use > > to wash a car with. There is often a small piece, about an inch deep > > inside and out, (sort of crescent shaped) under the arm towards the > > front armscye, to prevent chafing. > > > I've heard about using a wider piece of leather under the arms, >although I haven't seen the originals with it. The extant stays I've >seen have a thin white leather for binding, with a smooth surface. >The chamois that I've seen is yellow, and has a suede-like surface. >I know people like to use chamois because they can find it easily and >it's thin (nicer for hand stitching). But I would like to hear more >about the extant stays that use chamois leather for binding, and also >those with the underarm reinforcement. Where are they? How often do >those features show up in extant stays? > > Or do you mean something different for chamois - is it available >white and with a smooth surface? I have found 5 photos of corsets that show the underarm piece I referred to. (Two are of the same corset.) As they are research photos, I cannot post them on a photo site, but am happy to send a jpeg to anyone who contacts me off list. One is probably chamois, one may be chamois, one appears black in the photo, and one is ? They were mostly taken in museums with poor lighting so the colour is no guide. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:30:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHUQWV010470 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HHUIbu027464; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHTu2c022752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHTk7j030693; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHTYED030372 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.60.68512c5f (57293) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <60.68512c5f.31752a6c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:29:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443D0AA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/17/2006 12:58:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Oh, darn "Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII" yet another book from the other side of the pond I just have to have! ********************* Is this the period du jour or what! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:46:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHkZYR011049 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:46:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HHkSLA001052; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:46:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHk07J025182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHjlS5046426; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHjgIj046329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3HHjboq024412 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:40 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59220.72.13.239.193.1145295940.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18thC stays crescent, was: kid skin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:46:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443D474.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I have found 5 photos of corsets that show the underarm piece I > referred to. (Two are of the same corset.) As they are research > photos, I cannot post them on a photo site, but am happy to send a > jpeg to anyone who contacts me off list. > > One is probably chamois, one may be chamois, one appears black in the > photo, and one is ? They were mostly taken in museums with poor > lighting so the colour is no guide. Hi Suzi, We were talking about this underarm crescent on Historic Corsets. Martha mentioned two that used a plush fabirc, one that was quilted linen, and one that was quilted chamois. (Is that right, Martha?) Also I noticed on the Bisonette page the crescent was at the back of the armscey, not center and forward where you would place a sweat sheild. Plus they do not cover the edge of the stays, so it does not offer extra reinforcement to the binding. So what was it for? I wonder if the plush or suede side leather was to hold the gown fabric in that area? Is there ever a bagging of the fabric there? Also, was it perhaps to compensate for a bit of back/arm flab? Were these particular stays large? (Although a small person can have flab, too.) Is there anything else about the stays that would indicate a customization? Alterations for better fit, or were they higher quality stays? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 13:59:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHxSV5011289 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:59:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HHxKat005771; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:59:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHvxHv027160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHvZmX058707; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HHvOPK058402 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.27b.7f69f6a (57293) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27b.7f69f6a.317530f6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:57:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor...possitive stuff To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:59:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443D779.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's me again. Was looking at my book this AM. Just to drive home that I do not hate this book or anything, and having gotten over the disappointments I had about it, I thought I'd point out some [more] things I like, beside those great pictorial instructions for men's hose. Remember the dress with the annoyingly just off, miss-matched back? [pg. 110] Looking at it this morning, I find it one of the most convincing costumes in the book. [Hey...the veil covers the back anyway] The scale and proportions are harmonious and the yardages seem fine. The fabrics are OK [but almost a little too curtain-like....a real problem for designers these days. I once heard a criticism of "Dangerous Liaisons" that "they all looked like they were wearing curtains."]. And one thing I admire is how these girls really get that Henry VIII female silhouette right. Not an easy silhouette either. The man's costume that looks the most real to me is on page 103...the white doublet with the red paned hosen. Very good work [though I don't like that brown lining to the hosen]. Not a fancy garment but again good proportions and it looks livable. Much better than the fancy-schmancy outfit on page 98, with it's sloppy canions and sagging jerkin. Oops! got negative there for a minute. Sorry. Being someone who has worked on period films and in lots of theatres, as well as made things out of the dinning room for community events, I'd definitely keep this book around the shop. If you had experienced people [even moderately so] they could pick this volume up and churn out a very nice garment for that costume they just added at the last minute....right from the book. And even for that gown you have 3 week to do, this book is a good place to start. Most of my complaints have to do with personal taste, and simply changing fabrics, or adding yardage fixes most of those. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 14:21:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILlxm012066 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:21:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HILdFV014500; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:21:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILQDY030763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILJ0E082699; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HILCXg082393 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAC56D2E for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC5A14783B for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:49 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:48 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:47 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D9645B5A18@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Portugal clothing in the 15th century Thread-Index: AcZfYCO7E1x4CeagRxa9O9prRsEkQAC5IQ6A From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2006 18:20:48.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6CADDE0:01C6624B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HILCXg082393 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Portugal clothing in the 15th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443DCB3.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a rather late response, but I would recommend _Hispanic Costume: 1480-1530_ by Ruth M. Anderson. It covers both Spanish and Portuguese fashion, apparently at the time they weren't very different. (And besides the appropriateness of the subject, the book's organization and detail pictures are amazing, _and_ it's in print for $29.00!) One caveat: it does focus on upper class garb; it works a lot with royal inventories as well as the pictorial sources. -s _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 14:24:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIOQox012133 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HIOJYl015453; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIO2bk031206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HINno7085056; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3HINhTo084810 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 52036 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 18:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.125 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 18:23:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060417191843.01da5460@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:23:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18thC stays crescent, was: kid skin In-Reply-To: <59220.72.13.239.193.1145295940.squirrel@webmail.patriot.ne t> References: <1fa.1d2f3bfb.316e67c3@aol.com> <57554.72.13.239.193.1144854510.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060412181008.01da1b70@127.0.0.1> <59220.72.13.239.193.1145295940.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443DD53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 18:45 17/04/2006, you wrote: > > I have found 5 photos of corsets that show the underarm piece I > > referred to. (Two are of the same corset.) As they are research > > photos, I cannot post them on a photo site, but am happy to send a > > jpeg to anyone who contacts me off list. > > > > One is probably chamois, one may be chamois, one appears black in the > > photo, and one is ? They were mostly taken in museums with poor > > lighting so the colour is no guide. > >Hi Suzi, > > We were talking about this underarm crescent on Historic Corsets. >Martha mentioned two that used a plush fabirc, one that was quilted >linen, and one that was quilted chamois. (Is that right, Martha?) >Also I noticed on the Bisonette page the crescent was at the back of >the armscey, not center and forward where you would place a sweat >sheild. Plus they do not cover the edge of the stays, so it does not >offer extra reinforcement to the binding. > > So what was it for? > > I wonder if the plush or suede side leather was to hold the gown >fabric in that area? Is there ever a bagging of the fabric there? > > Also, was it perhaps to compensate for a bit of back/arm flab? Were >these particular stays large? (Although a small person can have >flab, too.) > > Is there anything else about the stays that would indicate a >customization? Alterations for better fit, or were they higher >quality stays? All the corsets that I have photos of, including the one I am wearing, have the crescent in the front armscye, which to my mind would stop any chafing. I don't believe they are sweat shields - that never occurred to me - but to protect against rubbing, and the possibility of whalebone poking through, as the leather type ones are tougher than the linen. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 14:24:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIOcOL012137 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HIOVcl008663; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HINwnB031198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HINlMQ085030; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HIG2Qj077385 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03280 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:16:00 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Thread-Index: AcZiRTE6ecjl7r+BS3ettjeWMC6XzgABOqPg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HIG2Qj077385 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443DD5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is this the period du jour or what! I think so! HBO(which I don't subscribe to) is airing a miniseries about the latter part of the reign of Elizabeth I, starring Helen Mirren, this Saturday Has this been seen in the UK yet? Also novelist Philippa Gregory has a novel coming out in Sept in the UK(The Last Boleyn)about a relative of the Boleyns during the time of Elizabeth I(not Lettice Knollys)whom I'm not sure is based on a real Boleyn descendant or not. This book will be published later in the US as "The Boleyn Legacy" There is always some Tudor book or whatever in the pipeline somewhere and I've bought or read most of them I think! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 15:12:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJClrZ013737 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:12:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HJCcHQ001000; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJC0as037984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJBpRW027517; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJBkxV027324 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3057A5508 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:11:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4443E8A1.7040807@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:12:33 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help identifying something References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:12:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443E8A6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Catherine Kinsey wrote: > Is anyone familiar with this painting: > http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html > > or have access to a larger or more detailed image? > > I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. My > initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have shrugged > off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other > portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying around > if she is nude :). It doesn't seem as if there is enough fabric for a chemise, but the image is so dark it's hard to make out how much might be in the shadow there. I enlarged it and lightened it, and can't quite tell. My guess would be it's a veil and some ribbons attached to her hair, if it's not just some random draping added for artistic value. I want to know what the round thing under her left foot is. She seems to be standing on it. It looks like the ball foot of a chair, but the position she is in makes that impossible... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 16:00:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HK0pq6014575 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:00:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HK0i3k018744; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJtJiD044913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJtCYl063150; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HJt1nI062878 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:55:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB3A4AAE for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:23:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4443EB68.10905@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:24:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor...possitive stuff References: <27b.7f69f6a.317530f6@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <27b.7f69f6a.317530f6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4443F3EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > It's me again. > > Was looking at my book this AM. Just to drive home that I do not hate this > book or anything, and having gotten over the disappointments I had about it, I > thought I'd point out some [more] things I like, beside those great pictorial > instructions for men's hose. Thanks for posting your review. You brought up a number of points about the book, and so did the others in the discussion, that it's helped me get a good feel for the content. It's nice to know what we're getting, and not getting, before we spend money. I was hoping for something new, some as-yet unknown secrets of costuming this period, so I think if I had bought it I'd have been disappointed too. I'll probably end up with the book eventually, but now that I know what's really in it, it's farther down my list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 17:18:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HLIL5N016810 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:18:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HLIEgw010954; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HLHg4v060610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HLHTLA039574; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3HLHJaa039308 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 406 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2006 21:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.125 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 21:10:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060417220557.01e19988@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:09:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:18:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44440616.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:15 17/04/2006, you wrote: > > > Is this the period du jour or what! > > >I think so! HBO(which I don't subscribe to) is airing a miniseries about >the latter part of the reign of Elizabeth I, starring Helen Mirren, this >Saturday Has this been seen in the UK yet? Yes, but my comments are unprintable, as liberties, as usual, were taken with the facts. And I like my historical films about real people, if purporting to be the real thing, to at least look something like the portraits, even if it doesn't matter to other viewers. >Also novelist Philippa Gregory has a novel coming out in Sept in the >UK(The Last Boleyn)about a relative of the Boleyns during the time of >Elizabeth I(not Lettice Knollys)whom I'm not sure is based on a real >Boleyn descendant or not. This book will be published later in the US >as "The Boleyn Legacy" I am reading her book on Elizabeth "The Virgin's Lover". I suppose it's not bad, as a work of fiction, but i am not keen on her view of history. >There is always some Tudor book or whatever in the pipeline somewhere >and I've bought or read most of them I think! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 18:13:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMD0Rg017939 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:13:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3HMCrS1028672; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMBMpX071673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMBFHc089942; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3HMB8Mn089851 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17055 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:11:08 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:11:16 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir Thread-Index: AcZiZIzqHzEp/2TgT1qgoYKh0XRo5gABq5wg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3HMB8Mn089851 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:12:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444412E5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, Suzi, I like my historic novels to stick to the facts when they exist and not ignore them and the characters not to speak and think in today's slang and psycho-babble. While I applaud Gregory and others for taking a new slant on what-might-have-been, they go to far for us historic purists in assigning today's "ripped from the headlines" attitudes and thought processes. But you gotta sell those novels and appeal to as broad an audience as possible to make a living, I suppose. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:09 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Innocent Traitor(fiction)by Alison Weir At 19:15 17/04/2006, you wrote: > > > Is this the period du jour or what! > > >I think so! HBO(which I don't subscribe to) is airing a miniseries >about the latter part of the reign of Elizabeth I, starring Helen >Mirren, this Saturday Has this been seen in the UK yet? Yes, but my comments are unprintable, as liberties, as usual, were taken with the facts. And I like my historical films about real people, if purporting to be the real thing, to at least look something like the portraits, even if it doesn't matter to other viewers. >Also novelist Philippa Gregory has a novel coming out in Sept in the >UK(The Last Boleyn)about a relative of the Boleyns during the time of >Elizabeth I(not Lettice Knollys)whom I'm not sure is based on a real >Boleyn descendant or not. This book will be published later in the US >as "The Boleyn Legacy" I am reading her book on Elizabeth "The Virgin's Lover". I suppose it's not bad, as a work of fiction, but i am not keen on her view of history. >There is always some Tudor book or whatever in the pipeline somewhere >and I've bought or read most of them I think! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 21:02:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I12Ltg022113 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3I12BF7017785; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I11rLT094335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I11fj6031899; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I11b5W031821 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so665802wra for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ixNGssWHhhG7c+VrKInpGZZ7rvaLft7TUStx3kUiT4AsOBgYVHIfEYN2MlTtN1QXW9cgTQrb7BZXD12QjeUBTfKEJj5nKOX2Q8dz9f5H6eZr4/eRLv9pKDHyYdHG7s1Xe+TB99kp7XXc9PaOYa0gF36F4MZ6gJO462/1SftwAF8= Received: by 10.54.128.5 with SMTP id a5mr1127950wrd; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:01:33 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3I11b5W031821 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Motel of the Mysteries/ the Nacirema X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 21:02:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44443A93.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some > costume content!) > > -Carol Sounds very much like the old "Body Ritual Among the Nacirema" an old 50s article spoofing Anthropology. http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~thompsoc/Body.html --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 17 22:33:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2XJ6d024296 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3I2XCeg015332; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:33:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2WdDJ004587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2WYEJ001648; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3I2WVEO001517 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 20:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.394.cc0610 (15901) for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d44444fb213d; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:32:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7a6547718b60a118de2ef6bd05e17dcc@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Motel of the Mysteries/ the Nacirema Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:32:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44444FE8.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3I2XJ6d024296 Status: RO That was great! I never saw that one. Thanks, Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 17, 2006, at 9:01 PM, Cin wrote: >> I especially liked the ceremonial collar. (See, I knew it had some >> costume content!) >> >> -Carol > Sounds very much like the old "Body Ritual Among the Nacirema" an old > 50s article spoofing Anthropology. > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~thompsoc/Body.html > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 08:14:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICExbA002798 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:14:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ICEpmD027411; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:14:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICEQg2075347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICEH1E088929; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICEB53088840 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2ce.767e3a6 (4468) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:13:50 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:14:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4444D83B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > And, though the men's things look > pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > look > costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me > looks > like skimpy yardages... Although I agree that an awful lot of people who buy the book may not have need of the patterns (I myself don't), but I do know of quite a lot of people who have used the patterns to date, who don't have the ability to cut patterns from scratch using only paintings, etc (not everybody has that kind of 'spatial' (for want of a better word) awareness - for them it has been helpful. As to the above statement - this is harsh to say the least - not to mention fairly unfounded. Ninya Mikhaila is one of the best historical costumers in the UK, if not the world (and no, she's not a friend - I have never met her). And having seen several of the costumes 'in the flesh' I can attest that the fabric has not been skimped on (at least not in the outfits I've seen). They may be machine made (I didn't look closely enough to pull the seams apart), but I believe they are, like all of Ninya's clothing, hand finished (if this is incorrect, no doubt someone will put me right). Debbie. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 08:48:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICmRj5003504 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:48:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ICmK4p008973; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:48:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICluAW078413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ICltsf012705; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IClmZM012582 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 06:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1389.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.111]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7CD319378 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:47:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:47:47 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060418124742.BE7CD319378@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bliaut X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:48:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4444E014.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here the picture of me while I am wearing it at the open air museum. And an other one with my friend. http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Bliautaf.jpg http://mystictimes.nl/Bliaut/Benf.jpg Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 10:34:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEYTdH005475 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IEYIR4028502; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IESWG4089746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IESFAJ092728; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IES74M092524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FVrBB-0002Nd-FW; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 09:27:45 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:27:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20060418102745.uxcnv6njksc0ck0k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:27:45 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 References: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:34:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4444F8EA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >> And, though the men's things look >> pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They >> look >> costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because >> everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me >> looks >> like skimpy yardages... > I don't think I saw this original mesage -- ah well. Anyway, I find it interesting that somebody would think that the clothes are make from "skimpy yardage." I don't know who made the original post or what their experience is, but many of the gowns that I see at SCA events (and I'm only picking on us) or in Dress Diaries on the web -- to my eyes at least -- use way too *much* fabric. If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. I saw a mid-16th century Italian Gown once (it *might* have been a Bronzino replication) -- it was a *beautifully* done gown, but it looked like the wearer had on Civil War Hoops underneath, the skirt was so full. Based on what I see -- particularly us as Americans in the SCA -- think that all medieval/renaissance gowns need 10+ yards of fabric, and they don't. just my $0.02 Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 10:52:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEqiso005803 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:52:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IEqY9M005761; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:52:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEkJv9092158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEk711008410; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IEjq79008095 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.370.289336b (30737) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <370.289336b.31765591@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:45:37 EDT Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Di... 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/18/2006 10:30:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: If you look at Juan de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is generally required for various types of gowns. ***************** Well, you get Juan's idea of what yardages should be. And, accurate or not, if it's skimpy, it's skimpy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 12:12:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGCNqY007447 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:12:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IGCDPE012456; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IG4I7q004683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IG2pOh080113; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IG271v079373 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD7402E8; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:01:56 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 18 Apr 2006 12:01:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001701c66301$c841a420$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2ce.767e3a6.317631fe@aol.com> <20060418102745.uxcnv6njksc0ck0k@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:04:31 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44450FDD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This has been my take on the subject too. Years ago when I first connected with the idea of historical costuming, I tended to use the yardages quoted in novels and inventories in trying to construct, say a mid nineteenth Century gown, which was often 10 yards. It wasn't until I had opportunity to view antique garments and to learn more about fabric production, that I finally put it together that with average widths of 26/28", that the garments in reconstruction would only be 5/6 yards of contemporary widths. This made a huge impression on my research and craft. The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. With another yard and a half or two, depending on the sleeve style, one can easily do the project with 5 1/2 or six yards. The same principle applies for some other historical periods. Once the shaping became the'cut 'and not the 'fit'does one need to allow for more yardages...and expect to have a fair 'waste' pile. This idea tells us something about the availability of fabric in any width as well as something about the wealth of the wearer. I think the idea of 'skimpy' reflects perhaps some of the present aesthetic view that revels in the volume of the drape. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 337 > > > In a message dated 4/16/06 7:01:53 PM GMT Daylight Time, > > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > >> And, though the men's things look > >> pretty good, there is something unconvincing about all the clothes. They > >> look > >> costume-y to me. I can't quite put my finger on why. Maybe it's because > >> everything looks like it's hot off the sewing machine. Maybe it's what to me > >> looks > >> like skimpy yardages... > > > > I don't think I saw this original mesage -- ah well. > > Anyway, I find it interesting that somebody would think that the clothes > are make from "skimpy yardage." I don't know who made the original post > or what their experience is, but many of the gowns that I see at SCA > events (and I'm only picking on us) or in Dress Diaries on the web -- > to my eyes at least -- use way too *much* fabric. If you look at Juan > de Alcega (and similar books), you can see how much yardage is > generally required for various types of gowns. I saw a mid-16th > century Italian Gown once (it *might* have been a Bronzino replication) > -- it was a *beautifully* done gown, but it looked like the wearer had > on Civil War Hoops underneath, the skirt was so full. > > Based on what I see -- particularly us as Americans in the SCA -- think > that all medieval/renaissance gowns need 10+ yards of fabric, and they > don't. > > just my $0.02 > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 12:41:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGflj0007963 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:41:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IGfclv024552; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:41:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGea8m011815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGeUYj015364; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IGeQ9x015173 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.362.2dacc67 (30737) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:40:04 EDT Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost] Re:h-costume Dig... 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: The CW garments that I have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. ******************* 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard hem sometimes. This looks right if in proportion with the top...huge sleeves and such. It depends on the scale and balance of the whole garment. When I make an 1860s gown, 3, 45" panels are usually plenty for a skirt. But then the hoop underneath has to be the right scale. [interestingly, sometimes an 1840s or 50s gown requires more to look right] Bustle gown regularly suffer from too full a drape or ruffle. There is something more realistic about skimpier ruffles sometimes. I've seen lots of garments [usually on stage] that are too full. It's balance and proportion....of the WHOLE OUTFIT that can make the difference. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 14:52:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIqakQ010723 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:52:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IIqSx0015044; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIpjJZ033504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIpbaZ041253; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:51:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIpW6U041152 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 18828262828 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:51:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c66319$1b92de20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:51:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:52:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445356C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I can understand from the many posts about this new book, that many are making this period. May i ask you, have you considered to make something new from the book? Is it going to be another style, than you normally do? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 14:56:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIumHI010799 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:56:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IIue8f016808; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:56:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIrnrT033858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIrmUs043389; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IIrhPA043320 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DDC226284A for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:53:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003301c66319$6b576660$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:53:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] crescent shaped leather on 18th century stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:56:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44453668.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One thing i also wonder about this, is why did Diderot not show this in his encyklopedia? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 15:25:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJPJ61011412 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:25:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IJPA6u028489; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:25:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJOLJT038624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJOFLB073647; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:24:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IJO9uP073454 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACD00328; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:24:00 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.157 ([209.131.80.157] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 18 Apr 2006 15:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig... Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:26:26 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:25:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44453D16.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have an antique hoop from family that I use and my skirts re about 3 panels. It fits just right. Proportion says it all! One of the problems I have with the 'new' patterns is that the bodice is usually for a modern fit and is too long for the proportions viewed in Godey's and Peterson's. The two extant whole gowns I own are slightly short waisted for me (re modern fit) but perfect for 19thC wear. In making Plus Size gowns, etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right proportion for the period. For waisted gowns they usually think their waist is somewhere ...(male or female)below the navel. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: yardage required (Tudor Tailor Review) (was Re: [h-cost]Re:h-costume Dig... > > In a message dated 4/18/2006 12:10:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > The CW garments that I > have, or have examined, average 4/5 yards around the bottom, which is about > 3 1/2 or four panels of 45" fabric. > > > ******************* > 1830's skirts will have a mere 3 1/2 yard hem sometimes. This looks right if > in proportion with the top...huge sleeves and such. > It depends on the scale and balance of the whole garment. > When I make an 1860s gown, 3, 45" panels are usually plenty for a skirt. > But then the hoop underneath has to be the right scale. [interestingly, > sometimes an 1840s or 50s gown requires more to look right] > Bustle gown regularly suffer from too full a drape or ruffle. There is > something more realistic about skimpier ruffles sometimes. > > I've seen lots of garments [usually on stage] that are too full. > > It's balance and proportion....of the WHOLE OUTFIT that can make the > difference. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 17:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILX9W6013897 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ILX1oo011913; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILWATf057676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:32:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILVuPd095742; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILVlAk095583 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25883 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:05:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:05:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Quick lace question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44455B0D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 17:54:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsraY014319 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:54:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ILsjHC019646; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:54:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsMTw060953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsJ5d016109; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ILsDtL016013 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f555c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.92]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 382C3A50031 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:54:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c66332$a378b7b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:54:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44456025.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Robin, If you look in the archives, i have posted a coupple of times about the first written proof of bobbin lace. Dont remember the year and date for it. It was an italian letter and the lace worked on had 6 pairs of bobbins. Bjarne Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:05 AM Subject: [h-cost] Quick lace question > > I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place > for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a > modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 18:23:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMNI3p014934 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3IMNAfH029040; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMMud3064914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMMjVG041397; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3IMMUcl041201 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so902064wra for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WK/Bj2dRceoRl1oK7qehe5mzsVYhb0X9FcjDi3g1xnae7KWaoOsqt9pAxNDpyfRy/anPGJ06CDxyrep/0FZRay3nDkPkdex1mlc66E0INCHihWphUHZXMlapuK5cX0BMNILKYO6zpv0hFs0ZPwdts1+gddw8ahWTosEQT3+SDYg= Received: by 10.64.179.4 with SMTP id b4mr166592qbf; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604181522h75029a45xb383bca87a41ce7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:22:29 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3IMMUcl041201 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444566CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey there Robin... There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin lace, tatting, knitted, knotwork) All can create lace... cloth with a pattern of holes in it. Woven techniques are perhaps the oldest. So can you give a little more information of what you are looking for... I'll dig through the library. Bridgette On 4/18/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I'm out of my period on this one. Can anyone give me a rough date/place > for when lace appears -- meaning something that would be recognized by a > modern person as "lace"? (I mean the trimming, not lacing cord or points.) > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 19:51:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INppLh016559 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:51:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3INphRb022046; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INouFZ075966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INolgR010722; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3INohwP010630 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26795 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:24:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:24:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604181522h75029a45xb383bca87a41ce7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:51:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44457B8F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Marie Stewart wrote: > There are two main ways to make lace... start with cloth and put > holes into it to form the lace (punti tagliati, hedebo work, cut work, > embroidered lace) and the other way is to form lace from string by > forming a repetitive pattern that becomes the body of the work (bobbin > lace, tatting, knitted, knotwork) > > All can create lace... cloth with a pattern of holes in it. Woven > techniques are perhaps the oldest. So can you give a little > more information of what you are looking for... I'll dig through the > library. No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," so I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect you're describing something else." So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 20:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MuJL017154 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J0Mmfs031090; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MOsE079136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MLrw033448; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0MGte033391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.243] (pool180-131.patriot.net [209.249.180.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3J0MBdd023709 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444582D8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark >half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly >recognizable as "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. >I know I see recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't >see it in 14th century art. But I don't have a sense for when >exactly it starts cropping up as a typical feature in depictions of >clothing. In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten things. I know what you mean, though, if the author means something like that, readers will be looking for string & holes. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 20:33:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0X7ve017353 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J0WxIi001526; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0QvgR079656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0Qu4U036376; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0QrJU036341 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i22so805929wra for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rq0w3xQvLfQVLY5uUrEjt1CHRoqOtsvFfAX3lsy2c4bZaPCDumGbR1BaI3rUt9z6A6XVS4pUpqRkYOmA8q0IU7eOoVIzvwQ406w72giYZJavsCiHVtfXkFDr44vVICVUmElsL1F6upWLxvYZesz0lnO9HFkH7MmizXf+Dmc/jPo= Received: by 10.65.73.11 with SMTP id a11mr3002527qbl; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604181726t2b0246e2sb3f94b7e68af1d30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:26:52 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660604181522h75029a45xb383bca87a41ce7a@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3J0QrJU036341 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:33:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445853B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > No library digging needed for this one, I think; I suspect you can give me > enough for my purposes off the top of your head! Thanks... wow. > > Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to depictions of > the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing clothes > decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and pure gold > lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've > never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold lace," I agree with you about the "gold lace" probably being a misapplication or a misinterpretation of the term. As far as is known lace evolved in the realm of linen fibers, not in the metalics. Bone lace, or bobbin lace, didn't show up until mid or near the end of the 16th century. And that was the breakthrough that led to metalic threads first being formed into patterns of lace and applied to clothing. The first records of the bone laces all seem to refer to linen fibers, but are soon filled out with laces in gold, silver and copper. Prior to that... there is all types of embroidered work, both in and above the cloth. Passamentiere work can be mistaken for lace in some cases. Now there is plenty of woven metalic edgings and ribbons that could have a pattern that appeared to be lacey. A pattern in the ribbon worked in gold on a ground of the same color as the garment... that's possible, maybe. Hope that's good enough... I don't have my Levy right next to me and I'm working from memory. BTW... an aside and a small rant... If this author is talking about or referring to the Prague exhibit in any way... they might be falling vicitim to some errors I saw in the exhibit information. There was one chausible, lovely thing, all 14th century embroidery, but the card next to it failed to mention that the orphrey (?) had been remounted sometime in the 16th or 17th century. Because there on the chausible all about the edge was a bobbin lace border of gold and silver thread.... so, just FYI. Bridgette so > I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is misapplying a > modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means trim > borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In asking her > exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to explain > that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would > interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground when I > say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly thought > of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect > you're describing something else." > > So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark > half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly recognizable as > "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see > recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th > century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping > up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 20:57:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0vE6X017974 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:57:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J0v6pu008489; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0pkv2083029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0pegY057139; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0ou2n056337 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27215 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:24:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:24:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:57:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44458AE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Carol Kocian wrote: > In the 18th century, lace was also a woven tape that could be > used around buttonholes and worked into patterns on some military > coats. There are also the laces that go through eyelets to fasten > things. > > I know what you mean, though, if the author means something like > that, readers will be looking for string & holes. Yes, this is not meant to be complicated. As I said earlier, she's talking about a decoration (not lacings) and didn't know the right term. In other words: Non-costume person looks at 14th c. art and says, "Oh, see the pretty gold lace." I'm saying, "Whatever you're looking at is not lace, which wasn't invented till XXX. Tell me what you're seeing and I'll help you find the right word." I need "XXX." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 21:30:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1UG46018774 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:30:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J1U895017327; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1SPRH087679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1SOIx087129; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1SK00087049 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CEAA5509 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44459274.2040206@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:29:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question References: <44458D53.1070000@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <44458D53.1070000@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:30:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444592A0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > > >> So, I don't need a specific date for the technique, just a ballpark >> half-century or quarter-century in which something visibly >> recognizable as >> "lace" became commonly used as clothing decoration. I know I see >> recognizable lace all over Elizabethan art, and I don't see it in 14th >> century art. But I don't have a sense for when exactly it starts cropping >> up as a typical feature in depictions of clothing. > > > The documentation I have (an SCA handout with pictures) shows drawn and > cutwork "lace" as early as the 1400's and thread-and-bobbin lace > mentioned in 1493, and a pattern book published in 1524. I would say > "late 15th century" is a safe guess. > > I should clarify my last statement, as late 15th century being a date for the earliest kinds of work we'd recognize today, and give "early 16th century" as a better date for common useage (at least among european nobility). Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 21:51:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1pRal019436 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J1pJ4u023638; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1oa3W090760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J1oYkc003058; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3J1oTcY002944 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCEMF3SASUJ2AA for (sender ); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNALFS9A; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:49:12 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:46:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help identifying something Message-ID: <20060418.204849.1404.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-12,15-16 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3844204095 X-MAIL-INFO: 4c002d8d2d8d1df9bd413c4ca5f99991b1fc19e1257819e92db13d7d6578756dd5016de5012dad08a53c1d X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7twZMlPK9oCuyE7MM4Cu+iuhQalWMXsz2w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44459797.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Is anyone familiar with this painting: > http://www.joslyn.org/permcol/euro/pages/veronese.html > or have access to a larger or more detailed image? > > I am trying to identify what that is dangling under her left arm. > My > initial guess is part of a chemise, since she appears to have > shrugged > off a loose gown and there is no other layer in site. Also, other > portraits of Venus around this time tend to have a chemise lying > around > if she is nude :). Do you need this information in a hurry? I can run down to the Joslyn and look at the painting ... but between overtime at work and helping out a friend whose mother just died, it ain't gonna be this week. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 23:07:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37r3d021921 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J37jIi011725; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37NtS000807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37IVu056887; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J37ETa056846 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=g9eSzhs38WwfyP1VGf5OuYtfQdmTIgm/scwky+zq/rMv7ZuUbD+prBt+K7DJKFy+; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.110.36] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FW329-0006X4-Vz for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:06:56 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c646c8d40e9a891f37c44d4508ee23206350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.110.36 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445A981.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Being the first to have the book handy and a few minutes to type..... the very first sentence of Chapter 1 of THE classic reference, Santina Levey's _Lace: A History_, says: "During the two decades 1560 to 1580, lace became an increasingly important feature of fashionable dress in most European countries, and this development can be traced in contemporary records and in the portraits of the period." She goes on to say that decorative "crimped and goffered EDGES" appear in the _15th_ century, in the same places we would expect to find lace some decades later -- but they are merely a "laundry technique" and not needlework of any kind. In the late 15th and early 16th centuries we can see "decorative edges" that _do_ involve needlework of some kind on the edges of veils, and at the necks and wrists of smocks and shirts. These edges were created with embroidery (oversewing and buttonhole stitch), beads, seed pearls or applied cords. "Many of these edge decorations were carried out in colored silk or metal thread, a fact which has tended to obscure their links with later linen laces." The earliest record of some sort of trimming made with bobbins is 1476, by the ladies of the household of Eleanor d'Este, but it's almost certainly a cord, since the account book says "...cordella facto a piombino...". "There was no moment," she says, "at which any of the above techniques either changed into or were replaced by lace. Gradually, however, during the second quarter of the sixteenth century, changing tastes in trimmings and embroidery resulted in the exaggeration of certain effects: in particular, greater emphasis was placed on decorated seams and edgings.... Needle and bobbin lace began to emerge in response to these demands, but it was a long time before they were seen to have become separated from the older techniques... Indeed, one of the clearest indications of the newness of lace is its lack of a name that is wholly its own." As for possible early dates for metallic lace, "...Although, therefore, fifteenth-century references to 'lace', such as the mantle lace worn by Richard III at his coronation in 1485, really refer to cords and braids, it is possible that some of the later references to 'passementerie' may refer to early bobbin lace....The 'Pasmens of gold' and 'passmeyn riband' worn respectively by Mary I and Edward VI were certainly braids, but the more explicitly described 'Passmeyn lace of bone work of gold' mentioned in the Lord Chamberlain's Accounts for 1553 was bobbin lace." (She gives a footnote for this conclusion, but doesn't justify it further. She goes on to describe a "white silver bone lace" of 1560 and "6 white smocks edged with white needle lace" in 1558-9.) That help? -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 18 23:35:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3ZPwh022817 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:35:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J3ZHbK019250; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:35:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3YwV0003761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3YuGq076109; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J3YnCR076006 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28361 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:08:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:08:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:35:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445AFF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Chris Laning wrote: > That help? Yes! Thank you for typing it all in. (Dollars to donuts my author came up with "gold lace" by quoting some art book or museum description, whose author had no clue about any of these techniques.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 00:58:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4wJnQ025296 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:58:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J4wAHt009455; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:58:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4vmP6014113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4vf8L029399; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J4vanN029338 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=V/phOIGxbIMb6Mm8KwoFzU61612xqV/wVvHjHZP2fydlUCshMMov/zHgn+CiZR7X; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.232.70] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FW4kx-00016h-Vx for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:57:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06CC08F7-38A1-47C4-8DC1-1D55F92EA3C1@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:57:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4789de090ecffd5a97546adc4e6b8cde8f4150883e088895fd9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.232.70 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445C363.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:24 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > Here's the situation: I'm editing an article that refers to > depictions of > the Virgin in 14th and 15th century European paintings as showing > clothes > decorated with such rich ornamentations as "ermine, jewels, and > pure gold > lace." I'm quite familiar with the paintings of this period, and I've > never seen anything in them that could reliably be called "gold > lace," so > I suspect that the author (not being a costume person) is > misapplying a > modern term to another type of decoration. She probably just means > trim > borders or embroidery, but I can't put words into her mouth. In > asking her > exactly what it is she's trying to call attention to, I need to > explain > that the wording she's used won't work, because lace (as readers would > interpret the term) wasn't used yet. I'd like to be on firm ground > when I > say that, and it would help if I could say that "what is commonly > thought > of as lace trim on clothing doesn't appear until X period; I suspect > you're describing something else." Something is twigging my memory. There's a number of paintings of the Virgin from roughly that period from eastern Europe that feature veils edged with some sort of decorative edging depicted in gold that I could easily see someone describing as "lace" for want of a better word. The paintings are fairly stylized and it's hard to tell whether the motifs are intended to depict an actual decorative threadwork technique or what. But what it appears to be is an edging made either of gold thread or gold in some other form that stands out from the edge of the veil in open designs, often with little pendant bits. I'm describing this very badly -- I wish I could find an example on the web to point to. My memory is telling me that there are several examples in Sronkova's "Gothic Woman's Fashion", but alas I don't own a copy of that book. But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 01:07:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57vSp025581 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J57nRG012077; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:07:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57WVO015191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57WDI035586; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from keaton.its.csufresno.edu (keaton.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J57S39035548 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:07:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by keaton.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB56349E5 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:51:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small In-Reply-To: <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:07:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445C5A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >In making Plus Size gowns, > etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right >proportion for the period. Hi Kathleen, As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I have that right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on getting that right proportion? Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 01:13:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5DPHx025707 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:13:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J5DHNY013571; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5Cgxb015912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5CevM038766; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5CaaS038728 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:12:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28938 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:46:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:46:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: <06CC08F7-38A1-47C4-8DC1-1D55F92EA3C1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:13:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445C6ED.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > But what I'm wondering is whether the author is trying to describe > something of this sort and accidentally evoking a later style of "lace". Since she's describing clothes and not veils, probably not. Fortunately I don't have to guess; I'll ask her what she's looking at and help her find the right word, once I've explained why "lace" won't do. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 01:29:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5TSjW026302 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:29:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3J5TKDC017535; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5T2Qf017921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5T1uU048783; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J5SuBD048686 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 23:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.318.34d4581 (16112) for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef04445ca9033e; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com> <000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:28:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 01:29:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4445CAB0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3J5TSjW026302 Status: RO Me, too! Plus size and only 5' 2" tall. I can use all the help I can get. Thanks. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:51 AM, Kimiko Small wrote: > At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: >> In making Plus Size gowns, >> etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right >> proportion for the period. > > > Hi Kathleen, > > As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* > make a Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I > have that right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on > getting that right proportion? > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 08:14:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JCEVxt008945 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:14:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JCEMYf031176; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JCDsRU075570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JCDow6091403; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:13:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3J0uWDL062241 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27267 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:30:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:30:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Quick lace question In-Reply-To: <72adc2660604181726t2b0246e2sb3f94b7e68af1d30@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4446299E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Marie Stewart wrote: > I agree with you about the "gold lace" probably being a misapplication > or a misinterpretation of the term. As far as is known lace evolved > in the realm of linen fibers, not in the metalics. Bone lace, or > bobbin lace, didn't show up until mid or near the end of the 16th > century. And that was the breakthrough that led to metalic threads > first being formed into patterns of lace and applied to clothing. > The first records of the bone laces all seem to refer to linen fibers, > but are soon filled out with laces in gold, silver and copper. And we have a winner! I don't need to precisely identify the specific thing she's looking at -- she's talking about a category of paintings, not a certain one. I just needed to be able to say why I know for sure it is not "lace." And that is because lace (as she would understand it) wasn't made till the mid-to-late 16th c. Now I can figure out, with her, whether she means "embroidery" or "borders" or "goldwork" or some other general category. Thanks for the verification, and thanks to Bjarne, too, who was the first one to step up with an answer. > BTW... an aside and a small rant... If this author is talking about or > referring to the Prague exhibit in any way... they might be falling > vicitim to some errors I saw in the exhibit information. There was > one chausible, lovely thing, all 14th century embroidery, but the card > next to it failed to mention that the orphrey (?) had been remounted > sometime in the 16th or 17th century. Because there on the chausible > all about the edge was a bobbin lace border of gold and silver > thread.... so, just FYI. Nope. Not artifacts at all in this case. European paintings. But yeah ... about the museum card, gah. Too often the people who write those generally are not the specialists who can tell you the details. So, I hope this served as the entertainment for the day... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:08:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ8f3E000652 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJ8XMA014222; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ7jSu039155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ6eWO057695; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJ6Msa057294 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E24B38A8EE for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200604191808.k3JI7xsN001326@net.indra.com> References: <200604191808.k3JI7xsN001326@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:06:05 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Subject: Re: [h-cost] proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-SpamScore: sss X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:08:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44468AB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HI So in the 15th, 16th, 17th century, how did the tailors handle larger sizes? Did the skirts get wider? Or did they keep the same bottom edge circumference from size to size? (I know this is phased badly, hopefully the meaning struggles thru!) Thanks Carol--befuddled sorta by the later period fashions... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:13:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJDDqG000942 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJD5NO016134; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJCr8X039813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJCmbf063453; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJCWnh063246 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.ea073d (32915) for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.ea073d.3177e598@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:12:24 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "lace" (Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 344) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:13:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44468BC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There's a number of paintings of the Virgin from roughly that period from eastern Europe that feature veils edged with some sort of decorative edging depicted in gold that I could easily see someone describing as "lace" for want of a better word. The paintings are fairly stylized and it's hard to tell whether the motifs are intended to depict an actual decorative threadwork technique or what. But what it appears to be is an edging made either of gold thread or gold in some other form that stands out from the edge of the veil in open designs, often with little pendant bits. This could be needlelace, comparable to what we know today as "oya". An aside: it would appear that the invention of bobbin lace in the 1500s caused the final demise of brocaded tablet weaving as a grament trim. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:37:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJbarV001982 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJbS4T026775; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJbHw6043503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJb7Cc085577; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJaf2G085108 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1117155wra for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ajzNv6fjORIESOw2O9IEZaVZsT7Hoyg9kNr9wAtEmhOUv5jjBWfWtdc2JncuvDd0TabmO1SAweauePII2EtqSer+sgTHRduzSEPlzpUJb4m+CBmT3C+3y0lP88G1YYm47fcGB8/7tlurewtsdMVOsDMAMzP8NVRP+atGGuqq+mc= Received: by 10.54.125.17 with SMTP id x17mr1217296wrc; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:36:40 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3JJaf2G085108 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Tudor tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:37:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44469178.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I can understand from the many posts about this new book, that many are >making this period. >May i ask you, have you considered to make something new from the book? >Is it going to be another style, than you normally do? >Bjarne I got the book as a gift, partly because I've already made several gowns in the "Holbein" and drum farthingale styles. I've also done a few doublets, trunkhose, venetian & hats. Like everyone else, I have a few comments on the book, ifi you'll allow me. It's a good book that I'd loan or recommend to any intermediate sewer. It's light on clear date ranges for specific garments & styles. Of the recreations, some are better than others. In many cases it's the lack of surface decoration that makes the resulting garment look theatrical. However, the clean surfaces make it clearer how the pattern shapes become the finished garment. There are few compare & contrast illustrations. I found the orange (tawney p. 130) drum farthingale recreation to be completely evocative of the Mary Fitch and Eleanor Herbert (Lady Powis) portraits. To show the source picture & the recreation would really have enhanced the book. On the other hand, the extant hose & finished recreation serve admirably to validate Ms Mikhaila's methods. >From the name, I was expecting Tudor tailoring techniques, of which very little is presented. There is plenty on structure, pad stitching, interlinings, etc, but it's all modern techniques. (see the machine stitched linen buckram in the bodice on p.65) One enjoyable feature of the book is the recreated accessories. I'm particularly fond of the repro busks. The Square rigged ship brooch (p.98) is delish! Tudor Tailor is among the new group of costume books that like to show patterns, research material, original garments and/or garments from the patterns. (Hurray for that! ) It's not quite up to the high standards of "Costume Close-Up" (Baumgarten) with it's patterns and tailoring techniques, and inside views of original garments from the Williamsburg garment collection. Neither does it stoop to the "trust me" croquis & psuedo-pattern layouts of so many like "Medieval Tailor's Assistant", "Evolution of Fashion". Tudor Tailor is, for intermediate sewers, tailors & cutters a much better buy than any of the patterns out there. If you can work from Linda Baumgarten's, Blanche Payne's or Norah Waugh's books, this one will suit your style. For advanced 16th tailors & cutters who can glance at a painting or Patterns of Fashion and "rock of eye" start patterning, dont bother with this book. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 19 15:54:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJs0Uo002843 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:54:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3JJrqHx001945; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJrcYZ046341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJrYJa099877; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3JJrRYS099665 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A52B0340; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:53:15 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 19 Apr 2006 15:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01c663eb$44519720$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "H-Costume" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:55:52 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Colonial Gentlemen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 19 Apr 2006 15:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44469550.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Heads up for you folk in Virginia. The following 'shoot' will be in your neck of the woods and mayhap some of you might like to respond to Mary, at Paladin. I assisted this group in February, and they were great folk to work with. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: Colonial Gentlemen Hi,Kathleen, Thanks very much for your help on this. We are having a very difficult time casting these roles, so any assistance you could provide would be fantastic. Here are the specs for what we need. You can just cut and paste this into an email. Thanks again to you and all of your contacts who help us spread the word! Mary Paladin Communications, producer of "When the Forest Ran Red" and "George Washington's First War," is seeking gentlemen who could portray burgesses/congressmen in "Gentleman Warrior: George Washington," a new feature documentary. "Gentleman Warrior" explores the hidden side of Washington--the inner conflicts of the man who would forge a nation. Here we see his military and political career, and also the personal story of his involvement with Sally Fairfax and Martha Custis. And as a nation, we begin to understand his growth of character from a hot-headed youth to a man capable of winning a revolution. Paladin will present for the first time on screen the real George Washington--not an icon, not the perfect American, but a flesh-and-blood human being who became the greatest hero of all. We are seeking gentleman who: 1. Have their own appropriate 18th century wardrobe. 2. Are available to be on location at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia on May 23 or 24 (one or both days). Other information about the portrayals: * These are non-speaking roles. * Compensation is, at minimum, $100. * Lunch will be provided. * You can find more information on Paladin Communications and the production at http://www.paladincom.com/gentlemanwarrior.shtml * Contact Mary Matzen at mmatzen@paladincom.com or 866-831-4840. Thank you for your interest in being part of this ground-breaking documentary! -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 06:43:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAhcaa001287 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:43:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KAhTir010875; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:43:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAh3Ax039934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAgx1M042318; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [202.136.32.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAgsmZ042279 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.232.164] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay02.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FWWce-0003bH-M9 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:42:53 +1000 Message-ID: <002f01c66467$2d22c3e0$6feb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:12:17 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444765D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3KAhcaa001287 Status: RO Hi all, I wore my favourite lower class chemise for cooking a feast a few weeks ago and flung it in the laundry basket. Since the weather's been rather rainy here lately it stayed there a while, and it must have had something wet up against it. Anyway, the other day I took it out and put it in the wash and didn't notice until I hung it out that it was mouldy - it has big patches of black red and yellow speckles all over the back. Obviously washing hasn't done anything. Any suggestions for getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? The chemise is actually a linen-cotton blend, a fairly sturdy fabric. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 06:46:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAkSbb002080 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KAkKdk011694; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAjjkA040043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAjjPK043922; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KAjf6p043810 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 04:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3a7.fdb870 (4402) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3a7.fdb870.3178c04c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:45:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:46:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447667C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:44:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, angharad@dodo.com.au writes: Any suggestions for getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 08:31:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCUuj5006719 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:31:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KCUl5B011933; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:30:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCTw9b063287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCTq3L008851; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCTlcJ008732 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.359.318a57d (58550) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:29:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44477EF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. Yes. Maybe boil it on the stove. Or try color/ stain remover from a dye company like Ritt or Tintex. Those you don't actually boil, but simmer on the stove. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 09:56:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KDuN6F009378 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KDuEDP016799; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KDtMJ0075179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KDtBot072734; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3KDt7N1072658 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 20670 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 07:00:24 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:56:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444792FE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any longer than you have to. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 10:15:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEFCrv009992 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:15:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KEF42w024968; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEESrD077380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEEOTK088644; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEEGRc088437 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.5]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IY0004T3Y6MO9D1@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:13:34 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:14:01 -0300 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:13:58 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001401c66484$aadf7630$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44479768.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I tend to agree with trying other methods than bleach - do you have access to a bar of plain lye soap? I once got charcoal from a wash puddle on my wool petticoat with crewel work around the hem. I thought it was a goner but I spot washed it with some home-made lye soap and it was out - mold colourations are tough to remove, tho if you must use bleach try spot cleaning vs soaking the whole garment - in other words, see if it will budge the mold before you soak the whole thing as it can weaken the fibres. Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. > > > > Yes. > > Maybe boil it on the stove. Or try color/ stain remover from a dye company > like Ritt or Tintex. Those you don't actually boil, but simmer on the > stove. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 10:35:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEZ4qm010644 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:35:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KEYuWR001323; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:34:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEXEJg079753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEXAZX004667; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KEX4G9004593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FWaB8-0001nJ-1O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:30:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:30:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In-Reply-To: <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Message-ID: References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44479C10.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > >> >> In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> AnnBWass@aol.com writes: >> >> Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. > > But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can > cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any > longer than you have to. > > Diana You can get stuff to neutralize the chlorine at pet stores that sell fish supplies--I think I read about it here at some point. I wish I'd known about it earlier, though. Margaret/Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 11:16:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFGTgR011871 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:16:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KFGLtx019697; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:16:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFFsBt085986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFFjXG042062; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f18.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFFc9C041889 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:15:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:15:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002f01c66467$2d22c3e0$6feb443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:15:30 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2006 15:15:33.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[449C2D10:01C6648D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:16:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447A5C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If it's a lower class chemise, why not cut out the mouldy bits and patch them. Adds character! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Purple Elephant" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "Historical Costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:12:17 +0930 > >Hi all, > I wore my favourite lower class chemise for cooking a feast a few >weeks ago and flung it in the laundry basket. Since the weather's been >rather rainy here lately it stayed there a while, and it must have had >something wet up against it. Anyway, the other day I took it out and >put it in the wash and didn't notice until I hung it out that it was mouldy > - it has big patches of black red and yellow speckles all over the >back. > >Obviously washing hasn't done anything. Any suggestions for >getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? >The chemise is actually a linen-cotton blend, a fairly sturdy fabric. > >Claire >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 12:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KG24n8013275 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KG1uKZ006990; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KG1But093295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KG04M8081815; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KFwGer080213 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA19AA5509 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:58:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4447AF9E.1000209@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:58:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen References: <359.318a57d.3178d8b4@aol.com> <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <1187.67.174.246.110.1145541328.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447B074.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Diana Habra wrote: >>In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:46:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>AnnBWass@aol.com writes: >> >>Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. > > > But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can > cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any > longer than you have to. Hydrogen peroxide also has bleaching properties and is much more mild than straight bleach. Dab some on the spots and leave it in the sun. 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Status: RO Did this book ever get printed? Our library had it listed as "on order" and now I don't see it anywhere. Thanks, --Charlene -- The price one pays for pursuing any profession or calling is an intimate knowledge of its ugly side. -- James Baldwin, US author (1924-1987) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO <--- angharad@dodo.com.au wrote: < Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KI4nfL019067 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:04:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KI4fga023746; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:04:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KHvTdT014051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KGivaJ023569; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KGijLQ023316 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from guenievre@erminespot.com) Received: from JS (nsc69.38.51-209.newsouth.net [69.38.51.209]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D23EE671 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:44:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Guenievre de Monmarche" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved and Braided Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:42 -0400 Message-ID: <002d01c66499$95e0a820$8101a8c0@tereckoffice.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZkmOLUv17p5EY9QAaapqii348zlwAAJgHw In-Reply-To: <4447B348.4000505@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3KGijLQ023316 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:04:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447CD39.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The publisher went out of business; I don't believe any other publisher picked up the book. I'd love to hear otherwise... Guenièvre > Did this book ever get printed? Our library had it listed as "on order" > and now I don't see it anywhere. > > Thanks, > --Charlene _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 14:44:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIi26S021310 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KIhsL6010784; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIhX2V021090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIhQ4a033604; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KIhHMt033429 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY100596AO3BQ@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:43:15 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-24-179.paradise.net.nz [210.246.24.179]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF200721596 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:43:14 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:43:14 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4447D642.9070509@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:43:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447D66A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kelly Grant wrote: > If it's a lower class chemise, why not cut out the mouldy bits and > patch them. Adds character! Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something _wears_ through. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 16:13:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKDOHu026199 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KKDEgJ017379; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKCejq033772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKCUBf014195; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KKCNa9013937 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.323.29e0f30 (3699) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:11:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:13:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447EB5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 2:44:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something _wears_ through. ***************** You'd go ape in theatre or film where costumes just made are regularly "distressed " [theatre term] or "teched" [film term]. I can't tell you how many brand new garments I've taken cheese graters and palm sanders to! Not to mention the painting and spatter dying. I remember for a Brecht play we had this real WWI uniform that looked brand new. We needed to make it look like it had been through the trenches for a long time. It wouldn't distress! It was the toughest thing I've ever had to mess with. Well, it was made to go through a real war, after all. Stabbing it with scissors and scraping it with razor blades and a generous amount of paint finally did the trick. I love distressing. I always volunteer to do it. It's like make-up for clothes. You can tell a story with teching. What has she had to walk through? What weather has he had to endure? What kind of work have they been doing? And of course [especially in film] there's the progression....like in a chase film where no one looks like they change clothes, but in reality there are like 4 or 5 duplicate outfits each a little more teched according to whatever is happening in the script. This all has to be worked out beforehand, since things are rarely filmed in order. And it's not always to make things look old or abused. Sometimes it has to be subtle...just enough so that things don't look brand new...just worn a couple of times. Rarely does anything go on without some kind of teching. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:32:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWAxI029476 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLVvLP013041; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLUJVR043836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLU8SA080362; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLTtPY080217 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC21F740258; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:24:49 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:30:18 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c664c1$9f1706f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3KLTtPY080217 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4447FDCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sounds fun! How do I get into that? Sharon, who started out as a theatre techie -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:12 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In a message dated 4/20/2006 2:44:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something _wears_ through. ***************** You'd go ape in theatre or film where costumes just made are regularly "distressed " [theatre term] or "teched" [film term]. I can't tell you how many brand new garments I've taken cheese graters and palm sanders to! Not to mention the painting and spatter dying. I remember for a Brecht play we had this real WWI uniform that looked brand new. We needed to make it look like it had been through the trenches for a long time. It wouldn't distress! It was the toughest thing I've ever had to mess with. Well, it was made to go through a real war, after all. Stabbing it with scissors and scraping it with razor blades and a generous amount of paint finally did the trick. I love distressing. I always volunteer to do it. It's like make-up for clothes. You can tell a story with teching. What has she had to walk through? What weather has he had to endure? What kind of work have they been doing? And of course [especially in film] there's the progression....like in a chase film where no one looks like they change clothes, but in reality there are like 4 or 5 duplicate outfits each a little more teched according to whatever is happening in the script. This all has to be worked out beforehand, since things are rarely filmed in order. And it's not always to make things look old or abused. Sometimes it has to be subtle...just enough so that things don't look brand new...just worn a couple of times. Rarely does anything go on without some kind of teching. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:33:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLXUl9029517 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:33:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLXLFg029031; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:33:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWmON044200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWbJv082506; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLWJ30082254 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC9FF840258; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:26:55 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:32:25 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <002f01c66467$2d22c3e0$6feb443d@GILGAMESH> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I've had some luck getting rid of rust stains with that. Also, putting it out in the sun with the lemon and salt might help. Or just lemon and sun. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Purple Elephant Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Hi all, I wore my favourite lower class chemise for cooking a feast a few weeks ago and flung it in the laundry basket. Since the weather's been rather rainy here lately it stayed there a while, and it must have had something wet up against it. Anyway, the other day I took it out and put it in the wash and didn't notice until I hung it out that it was mouldy - it has big patches of black red and yellow speckles all over the back. Obviously washing hasn't done anything. Any suggestions for getting rid of the mould, or am I just going to have to make a new chemise? The chemise is actually a linen-cotton blend, a fairly sturdy fabric. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:42:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLg9vb030103 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLg1tK016232; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:42:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLfbFC045503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLfUMo089706; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLfKRe089516 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M1IK13XEE8AKDJR3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:44 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M1IK1O9GT69ULVSG@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:41:11 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:41:12 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen In-reply-to: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4447FFF8.6010000@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <323.29e0f30.3179450c@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:42:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480029.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Because it's garment abuse. Patches are what you apply when something >_wears_ through. > > > >***************** > >You'd go ape in theatre or film where costumes just made are regularly >"distressed " [theatre term] or "teched" [film term]. I can't tell you how many >brand new garments I've taken cheese graters and palm sanders to! Not to mention > the painting and spatter dying. > > No, actually, in a theatre environment, it wouldn't bother me at all-- there's a motivation there for trying to create "aged" clothes in a short amount of time. For SCA wear, though, what I prioduce is not a theatre costume-- it's clothes. They will wear out in their own time without anyone chopping random holes in them and sewing patches on. And the person who asked the question was asking how to save her mouldy chemise, not how to hasten it's demise. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 17:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLlYMg030269 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KLlQVf018029; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLkke4046348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLkgZn093858; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KLkZwi093693 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tudorldy@aol.com) Received: from Tudorldy@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 7.392.128e2ff (3940) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Tudorldy@aol.com Message-ID: <392.128e2ff.31795b2b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:46:19 EDT To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Mildew and leather X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448016E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd like to tap your collective wisdom here... I have a couple of leather articles (not garments) which have become affected with mildew. This was totally my fault, due to neglect. I'm really embarrassed. Any suggestions how I can safely get rid of the stuff without ruining the finish on the leather? I *have* found another, better place to store the stuff so this won't happen again. Thanks in advance, Meagn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:18:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMIXnl031610 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:18:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMIOvn027839; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMEwvZ050556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMElNK018019; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMEY7B017841 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2479a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.154]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C7D65A50030 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:14:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:14:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444808B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old.................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:33:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMXXuU032102 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:33:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMXPNv031966; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:33:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMWqCK053075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMWkRr033943; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMWft5033810 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.389.12443b6 (3699) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:32:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <389.12443b6.317965ff@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:32:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:33:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480C35.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 5:31:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Sounds fun! How do I get into that? Sharon, who started out as a theatre techie ***************** I was taught to do it when I was working in the dye dept. of the local Shakespeare Rep. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:42:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMg2KK032674 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:42:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMfonl001877; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMfP56054474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMfKBR041199; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMfGsj041058 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.112096a (3699) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.112096a.317967fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:40:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480E2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old.................... **************** Hahahaha.... Well, they'll probably try to make her out to just be the misunderstood Paris Hilton of the French Court...all that running around and lying in the grass and stuff. Y'know, like Mozart was just a Classical rock star! :-P The clothes look 30-fold times better than "Amadeus" I must say. They look right good. I noticed several different styles. I wonder if they follow the time line or are just scattered throughout? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 18:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhxHE032751 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KMhoGd017674; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhY4J054783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhT1I043017; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KMhN7e042826 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.383.1314224 (3858) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <383.1314224.31796881@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mildew and leather To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:43:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44480EA6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 5:47:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Tudorldy@aol.com writes: Any suggestions how I can safely get rid of the stuff without ruining the finish on the leather? I *have* found another, better place to store the stuff so this won't happen again. When we moved to Mississippi, many of my shoes and all the leather bindings on my encyclopias molded. I wiped everything down with rubbing alcohol, put them out in the sun, and then made sure I ran the air conditioner through the humid weather! I would spot test with the alcohol to make sure it didn't damage your items, but mine came through fine. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 19:46:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNk36S002936 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:46:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3KNjtGu020088; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:45:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNjZ40063529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNjSZn091973; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KNjN0V091847 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3F3A550A for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:45:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:45:28 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:45:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44481D33.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi > I found this, and > http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ > Didnt they use wrong music for this? > Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in > history, and make it with rock music? > I think i am getting old.................... Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 20:16:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0Gfw4004120 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L0GXgf029351; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0GJqM066580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0GHZC013434; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L0GB4f013336 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carynsobel@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bf2KYIoDttURgrJWeMAT9RX8YxzJGEFlHW4yCBiq01yCWI2mxt+n2jBSiwBXNwTG; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.156.153.38] (helo=SobelWriting) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FWjJg-0004EX-8f for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:08 -0400 Message-ID: <003801c664d9$0c55d3b0$26999c04@SobelWriting> From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <392.128e2ff.31795b2b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mildew and leather Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 251666aee31a72c3c5fbd2bc086b8747239a348a220c2609df37edd9d649291098d2ccf6ecacc462666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.153.38 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44482461.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Meagn said: My husband is a leatherworker, and seconded Ann's sunny day option. He said it may take several days of sun and dry air, but eventually, the mildew will clear. He also said to remember to re-condition the leather if you do use alcohol or another drying agent. Caryn P.S. I have been lurking for months, just learning. I am happy to finally have something definite to contribute! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:06:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L26eBk008187 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:06:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L26VxG029367; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L26BPM077984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2636g084315; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3K6D0rf078577 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.37a.11067c6 (4552) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37a.11067c6.31788063@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:12:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:06:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483E27.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/19/2006 3:10:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cahuff@clearviewcatv.net writes: So in the 15th, 16th, 17th century, how did the tailors handle larger sizes? Did the skirts get wider? ********************** You're sorta assuming there's some kind of standard. Just like today, it most likely depended on the client... with much prodding from the tailor. But if you need more yardage, you have to have more yardage. With fabric being more costly back then, and fabric widths being usually narrower than today, this was more than likely a "bigger" decision. [no pun intended]. And then there's the problem of gowns being restyled from old gowns. You must use what you've got. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:08:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L28nVN008264 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L28fcQ009462; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L27wLE078357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L27sWt085866; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KCpQdO024626 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 06:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <444783C8.5020102@msn.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:51:20 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "h-costume@indra.com" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2006 12:51:20.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[1F8BE4C0:01C66479] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: drea@shell.siscom.net Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Elizabethan costume page has moved] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483EA9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Drea asked me to pass this along. Sg -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Elizabethan costume page has moved Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: Drea Leed To: WickedFrau References: <20060417111954.J57120@shell.siscom.net> Saragrace, As I'm not on h-costume any more, would you mind posting a message there that the Elizabethan Costuming Page has moved from http://costume.dm.net to http://www.elizabethancostume.net? My ISP up and quit on me, and I had to find a new one. :P Hopefully, now that I bit the bullet and bought a domain name, the next transition will be easier than this one... Thanks, Drea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:10:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2AUlh008340 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:10:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2AM4f030875; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:10:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L29t6a078690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L29r8K087494; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3KHiUmk078956 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.340.332acbd (62976) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <340.332acbd.3179226f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:44:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:10:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483F0E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:37:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: Chlorine bleach is effective against most mold. But be careful because bleach eats the fibres and weakens them which can cause holes later in its life. Don't leave it on your chemise for any longer than you have to. I'm not necessarily advocating soaking it in pure bleach--often just washing in the usual dilute bleach solution can be effective. Another alternative, since it won't show, is to wear it anyway. However, if it is truly un wearable as it is, you do have to decide a trade-off between potential weakening of fibers vs the spots. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:12:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2CMaw008417 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:12:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2CE75010772; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:12:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2BwTr079072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2Bu7N089176; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:11:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3L1UB34061181 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3491 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 01:29:55 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:29:55 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44483F7E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Hi > I found this, and > http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ > Didnt they use wrong music for this? > Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in > history, and make it with rock music? > I think i am getting old.................... They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). It would have been great without the rock music and some of the questionable clothing.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:19:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2JZOe008866 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2JRPQ001236; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2HuGf079820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2HnMK093343; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (email.accessus.net [209.145.128.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2HjuO093244 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [207.206.137.2] (HELO accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.9) with ESMTP id 388926268 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:17:40 -0500 Message-ID: <44484114.9030402@accessus.net> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:19:00 -0500 From: Karen Heim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020318 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448412F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It won't play on my home computer, but IIRC from listening to it at work, it's New Order. Karen Dawn wrote: > > > Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? > > > > Dawn > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:45:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jtMi009869 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2jlD1009107; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jSA3083120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jQ8r011955; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2jLMV011882 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 935553493 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:17 -0500 Message-ID: <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knight's Tale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448475B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun > characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out > of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > It would have been great without the rock music and some of the > questionable clothing.... Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. Different strokes. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 22:53:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2rWVV010249 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:53:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L2rOMr011345; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2qjL0084037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2qfHN016791; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L2qOA5016639 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M1IUVRRKJ4AKDJR3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:51:47 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M1IUWC8VSC9VRW7M@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-reply-to: <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:53:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44484924.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > >> They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >> out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 20 23:16:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3GlUe011519 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:16:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L3GcE2017616; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:16:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3G6Xg087212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3G1UM034419; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L3FwB5034362 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mylaar@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so430583pyc for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hyh5AJ4CvzZLrzVaAXIXFAOnRrDqOiVw8EnEQf6/Jq/tPGyz4ezZsdahROwhRyISic3MPtEkuf4JibVlGwVjcH1Bx4NCjDUcdHSat+Hfs+xcDylIIdFpodteXkTSRtoYp65KqluY2LwrsKA0tFfx4SzuQtupaWyeo0+WQCjImiQ= Received: by 10.35.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr1938063pyk; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.94.11 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1e6527830604202015t6f643733x6ff9568f89c26aea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:15:57 -0500 From: "jordana robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In-Reply-To: <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44481D18.4010104@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:16:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44484E96.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3L3GlUe011519 Status: RO new order (band) "age of consent" (song title) as a fan of both new order and 18th century costume/movies, i don't know yet how i feel about the pairing :) i'm waiting for the movie to come out. (and i really should have seen at least one of sofia coppola's films by now but somehow haven't.) there is definitely some intentional anachronistic juxtaposition thing going on, as the film's logo is so very jamie reid, the guy who made the posters and visuals for the sex pistols... -jordana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 01:22:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5MpLG016318 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:22:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3L5Mh66018651; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:22:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5MKbS002501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5MELF022186; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from twonetom18.sge.net (twonetom18.sge.net [152.91.2.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3L5M94L022095 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 23:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@deh.gov.au) Received: from twonetvs10.sge.net (twonetvs-om [152.91.2.17]) by twonetom18.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DFEB837 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetvs10.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F0838FC9 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetim2.sge.net (twonetim-vs.sge.net [152.91.2.9]) by twonetvs10.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBAD358C6 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from iceberg.bar.gwy (iceberg.sge.net [152.91.9.131]) by twonetim2.sge.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A840BE06 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:56 +1000 (EST) Received: from proxy.ea.gov.au (mail-in.deh.bar.gwy [155.187.160.31]) by iceberg.bar.gwy with ESMTP id k3L5Ltdm017533 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt ([155.187.66.20]) by proxy.ea.gov.au (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3L5Lkkb028527 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" x-classification-classification: 1 - SEC=UNCLASSIFIED X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 x-classification-fullclassification: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED: #:# x-classification-level1: SEC=UNCLASSIFIED x-classification-level2: x-titus-version: 2.41.0.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:03 +1000 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CF255CFB@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Elizabethan shirt - toggle closure wrist cuffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AcZlA6hbhHbWUeYLTfaH20JjjLSjsQ== From: "Wilson, Annette" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 05:23:09.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD89BBF0:01C66503] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3L5M94L022095 Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan shirt - toggle closure wrist cuffs [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 01:22:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44486C23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone. I had a chance to look at a copy of the Tudor Tailor over Easter and near the front was a photograph of a wristband of a shirt dated about 1580 in the Museum of London. The closure was an eyelet and "threadwork" toggle - sort of like half a cufflink. Has anyone any further details of this, or a more detailed photo? I have never seen anything like it before and think it would be much easier to manage than lacing though two "buttonholes". As for my thoughts after a brief look at the book - I will buy a copy, both to use as a teaching aid, and for the odd bits of extra info like the toggle just mentioned. Good solid work in general, without being as intimidating as Arnold's publications are for most of the novices I know. Annette Wilson (Canberra, Australia) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 08:39:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCdjTG001443 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LCda9i002774; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCdAlh057680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:39:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCcx4d081605; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-smtp08.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.234.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LCctRC081517 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from saragracetk@msn.com) Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [saragracetk@msn.com] Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.160.194.96]) by BAY0-SMTP08.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <4448D25B.4080900@msn.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:38:51 -0700 From: WickedFrau User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Plucked, Shaved and Braided References: <002d01c66499$95e0a820$8101a8c0@tereckoffice.local> In-Reply-To: <002d01c66499$95e0a820$8101a8c0@tereckoffice.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 12:38:50.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A682070:01C66540] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448D288.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Apparently the publisher went bankrupt and the rights to the book are now in legal limbo....may be awhile before we see this one. Sg Guenievre de Monmarche wrote: >The publisher went out of business; I don't believe any other publisher >picked up the book. I'd love to hear otherwise... > >Guenièvre > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 09:38:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LDcs0w004763 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LDcj0S025156; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LDcJdJ062961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LDcHPw023288; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LAkXV7011101 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 04:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA591D0008 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12946-02 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B8C631D0009 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:44:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448E065.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > >> They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >> >> It would have been great without the rock music and some of the >> questionable clothing.... I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:08:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE88Ft006267 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:08:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LE7xbw004922; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:08:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE7btQ066359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE7Z0H046371; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LE7W0o046231 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.38c.1449b5b (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:07:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:07:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:08:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448E740.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:53:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >> out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. *********************** And I thought it so mixed up and vapid as to not even be worth the effort of hating it...or ever thinking about it again. Different strokes indeed. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:24:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEOALL007232 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:24:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LEO2rr011942; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:24:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LENkbJ068316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LENh2i060068; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f11.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LENdr8059998 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marquesate@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:23:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.195.176.12] X-Originating-Email: [marquesate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marquesate@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "N Kipar" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 14:23:39.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F566250:01C6654F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448EB02.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:34:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEYLVJ007815 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LEYC5H016134; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEXaZd069476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEXWjj067947; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEXRSm067779 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.325.2b3c994 (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <325.2b3c994.317a4724@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:33:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448ED65.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2006 11:16:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mylaar@gmail.com writes: as a fan of both new order and 18th century costume/movies, i don't know yet how i feel about the pairing :) i'm waiting for the movie to come out. ***************** Just wait 'til they issue the "study guide" for teachers to use in class! Oy! It looks like the film makers have ignored the rigor and rigidity of the protocols of the French Court to an extent. Oh well....it might be fun. We'll see. And I saw a full page ad in the New Yorker for the HBO "Elizabeth I". It is a beautiful photo of Helen Mirren and Jeremy Irons....in bed. The tag line is "The hardest thing to govern is the heart" Yuck! [I guess it won't be until 1912 that mankind learns "the heart will go on."] He looks very good in a lovely doublet with some very un-Elizabethan looking embroidery around the armseye....????????...never seen that before. Still, it's lov-er-ly. The Queen...that's the Queen mind you... is in her Dorothea corset....no doubt fresh from "The Tudor Tailor" :-) and chemise. Uh huh. And earrings. The Queen wears her corset and earring to bed? I love advertising! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 10:42:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEg6LK008186 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LEfwV5019274; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEfhI3070497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEfdU6074520; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LEfZ2m074368 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 55042632 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:26:09 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:37 -0500 Message-ID: <011c01c66551$8e4a2ce0$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcZlT2NVejRAfppHQZG6OLcPUpzC2gAAf4sA X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 142, in=204, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:42:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448EF36.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Nicole-- There is a whole book on the subject of the mummies and their clothing: The Mummies of Urumchi by Elizabeth Wayland Barber If you haven't read it, you should immediately. It's available in paperback. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:24 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:03:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF3DY2009400 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:03:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LF35bf028713; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:03:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF2nwo076115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF2kuB094065; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LF2fQN093915 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 23616 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 15:02:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAX.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@65.125.64.176 with login) by smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 15:02:36 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060421100020.01944918@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:02:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-Reply-To: <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:03:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448F429.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> >>>They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >>>characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out >>>of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >>> >>>It would have been great without the rock music and some of the >>>questionable clothing.... > >I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was >expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and >the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. I couldn't stop laughing through the whole movie. I thought it was hilarious. Bought it, and listened to the commentary by the director and... the guy who plays Chaucer... and they mocked themselves the whole way through. The director kept saying stuff like, "No one told me they didn't do that back then." I considered it a great joke Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:10:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFAmmo009842 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:10:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFAeXQ032076; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFA961077152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFA3US000667; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LF9xYw000509 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.364.31dbea5 (3924) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <364.31dbea5.317a4fb9@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:09:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:10:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448F5F0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was looking through the November 1799 "Lady's Monthly Museum" for something else, and came across this: "To take Mildew out of Linen. Take soap, and rub it very well; then scrape some fine chalk, and rub that also in the linen: lay it on the grass; as it dries, wet it a little. It will come out at twice doing." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:35:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFZRlI011566 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:35:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFZI3J010707; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:35:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFYrK0080588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFYn9U022925; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFYiTv022851 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08684 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:44 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:34:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dangerous Liasions book Thread-Index: AcZlT2NVejRAfppHQZG6OLcPUpzC2gAAf4sAAAFuJiA= From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3LFYiTv022851 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:35:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FBB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Two years ago the Metropolitan Museum of Art had an exibition "Dangerous Liasions: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th century" and a companion book was promised. Now the book is out, published by the Met in tandem with Yale University Press. I locked in the price of my copy at $13.95 preordered from Amazon.com last year and it is here! For all of you 18th fashion lovers, the book is a visual feast of mannikins posed in 18th clothes in recreated rooms, living la vie l'amour in various stages from awaiting a love letter to flirtation to very close encounters of the sexual kind. Drool worthy fashions and settings with the added addition of tie-in artwork from the Met's collection and essays documenting the stages of love in each room at different times of the day. The book was actualized in hardcover, instead of paperback at a higher price now, but for those awaitng the Marie Antoinette film, even if we can just critique it to death for what they got wrong, this is the real deal. Best price is at Amazon.com There is a stunning, ombre woven dress in the book where the original fabric could walk down the runway today in a modern designed outfit and look stunning! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:41:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFf9Q0011943 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFf1Sw013325; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFe9vo081262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFdvSu027694; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:39:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFdf8J027438 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so375749wra for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JSxeMPVp0PRo3CpK97Eot5WDY7kzzWXqkrQ5KCPIcpCwHzdlmOI1CXnumIoLYAIZ7n4betr5/F2pj0pb8Ls2iA1Cvy1N5rHDHIZVEuHLqwTtXVTQ6Oy86bVFta7cjKHGWUrysMsIJXUEurmGZdvV3S/OgeOy5JfqZCNzjN/bJ+o= Received: by 10.54.91.15 with SMTP id o15mr415410wrb; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.128.12 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590604210839p2b0c3700y96aeda8a6f25dd7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:39:41 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060421100020.01944918@justinanimator.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <012801c66530$8bd75b20$154d4e40@Stuckis> <7.0.0.16.0.20060421100020.01944918@justinanimator.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FD0D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3LFf9Q0011943 Status: RO > >I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was > >expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and > >the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. > > I couldn't stop laughing through the whole movie. I thought it was > hilarious. Bought it, and listened to the commentary by the director > and... the guy who plays Chaucer... and they mocked themselves the > whole way through. The director kept saying stuff like, "No one told > me they didn't do that back then." I enjoyed the movie as well, since I wasn't expecting authenticity either. I however would have like to have seen the leading lady in costumes more appropriate to the setting. That was too jarring, when everyone else around her was wearing something closer to the correct stuff. I try to enjoy movies for their entertainment value, the story, etc. it's just when they try to tell you that the film is historically correct that I get upset over the details that are just so wrong... alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:41:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFfCn6011945 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFf3Rl015896; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFeR3H081325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFeKT8028136; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LFeGIt027935 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1805 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 15:39:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XIsAD/5VPShfvzn33dG77ced2Ci9pUCupC5wTvR9h9dKBmqK17ZUx91xHZGAew6B/wA17WQtGNqz89GVhzs2RgkpVmB3oxGpIB+oqs0s8AO74Xh3ugymGyBqkoxXE5mYPE1jMRRsW+fNrKCvOcVITXV1QKFYGFPei3ZAui+XDK8= ; Message-ID: <20060421153959.1803.qmail@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.37.220.190] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:59 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <011c01c66551$8e4a2ce0$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:41:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FD0F.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Morning :) NOVA also has a 1-hour video/DVD on it too. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/chinamum/taklamakan.html Chris G. Kim Baird wrote: Nicole-- There is a whole book on the subject of the mummies and their clothing: The Mummies of Urumchi by Elizabeth Wayland Barber If you haven't read it, you should immediately. It's available in paperback. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of N Kipar Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:24 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 11:44:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFivMb012168 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:44:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LFinrj014978; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:44:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFi5Vd082022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LFi18d031487; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LFhoFP031294 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 54132 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 15:43:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vsTmU4FseQnZ8ZrRyfNmgCtXJIRlh6HK8n3hDfLkAHTWpeviJCH6CJJ6IPAc0QN41EIdXYZpx2vtVJax9AOhVfr3vmaa2s6JK8FyzAhxgIRWDr7bCua9SdW8FEtaOZzf8fDxgPzr0Og+mqxVL+nAG2F0gzYF6uK7QQQCapxjVhQ= ; Message-ID: <20060421154342.54130.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.37.220.190] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:43:42 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:43:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:44:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4448FDF1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Forgot...I was completely blown away by the plaids they've found as well...reminds me of the Stewart 'hunting' plaid, but regardless, it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! Wait until you see it! Chris G. N Kipar wrote: Hi All, I am going to a series of lectures at Edinburgh Unversity entitled "European Mummies and Bog Bodies" and while they are fascinating to start with, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears this week. It seems that the oldest surviving piece of clothing made in needle binding technique (and in one continuous piece of yarn) is from the Tamir peoples, in the Takamaklen (sp) desert, in China along the Silk Route. The most intriguing bit is that the Tamir are Caucasian, and that this chap's burial (mummified, owing to environmental conditions), is from appr. 1000 BC and contained a beret made in needle binding (nalbinding) technique. A 3000 years old beret that looks like a modern one! Thought I'd share, perhaps someone on here is as fascinated by this as I was. :-) Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 13:18:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHIVJo018982 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:18:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LHIKHW018811; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHHA7U093269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHG7ae007095; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LHFCac006320 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 54562 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 17:15:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VJSFNTBiPR4sU3pz0r3nRGEBtTMqVlnk12W/zLxAayN0OtOSa4op+GSUCfErTDgO8Xm5YVTqIcSuzEinVrFYdGWixI0rThWSKQSl+gZSmJ2LVYuhA1Y9mH3rLkgjb6PrG+z5/Za0B96fCBCyRefKkH4nOzHf+Gxt1NISwWv8/ZE= ; Message-ID: <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.13.195] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:15:04 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:18:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444913DC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, I loved it. But then I'm really fond of alternative fairy tales too. I like it when you look at things from a different perspective. Plus, it reminded me of my first season with a rep company back in the early 80's doing a punk/biker/new age version of King Lear. Every year we did one show with a student director from UC-Irvine - usually not as out there as this guy, but always interesting. The first night we had a full house and by intermission we were down to spouses and family members. What fun. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 13:30:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHUBGB019825 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LHU3hg023307; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHTZlZ094574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:29:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHSQai016792; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LHR0BG015706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3LHQq1o054908 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <12311.65.117.156.5.1145640412.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:26:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:30:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449169B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This sound track is actually on my desktop right now, cd case staring at me with that beautiful blond curly haired man .... I digress. I do have to say that I really loved the scene where they are having to decide rather quickly what he would be wearing the dinner so that the lady could make certain she would not clash with it. They even described the buttons that he would be wearing with it all the while fingering the pavilion and its toggles. It was very cool to see sewing from that point of vew. :) Chiara On Fri, April 21, 2006 12:15 pm, REBECCA BURCH said: > Well, I loved it. But then I'm really fond of > alternative fairy tales too. I like it when you look > at things from a different perspective. > > Plus, it reminded me of my first season with a rep > company back in the early 80's doing a punk/biker/new > age version of King Lear. Every year we did one show > with a student director from UC-Irvine - usually not > as out there as this guy, but always interesting. > > The first night we had a full house and by > intermission we were down to spouses and family > members. What fun. > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:19:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIJhqr022146 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LIJYae010860; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIJ44o099284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIHUK7053995; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:17:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIHL2k053749 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.1306507 (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.1306507.317a792b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:06:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:19:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492236.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 1:20:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net writes: The first night we had a full house and by intermission we were down to spouses and family members. What fun. ******************* Hahahaha...oh no! Yes...well I will not condemn "giving it a try". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:20:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIKBZ1022168 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:20:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LIK2Yx012404; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:20:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIJe35099466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIIYxj055075; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIHuXb054451 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.95.201] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX0CX-0008Lj-PS for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:17:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:17:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 2:52 PM +1200 4/21/06, Adele de Maisieres wrote: >>>They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >>>characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out >>>of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >> >>Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE >>the movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > >Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped >for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. I confess I prefer it when historically inspired movies include such anachronisms as obviously modern rock music -- it helps the audience keep in mind that they are watching fiction, and that they shouldn't believe what they're seeing is real after the reel ends. So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered any day! Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:23:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LINNZ0022298 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LINFAG012484; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIMjVg099754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LILga7058001; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com (imr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIItaE055289 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.196]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN5-6444921f6e4; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:18:40 -0400 Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c8.c6a6b8 (4230) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c8.c6a6b8.317a7856@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:03:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:23:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492313.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 11:35:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Two years ago the Metropolitan Museum of Art had an exibition "Dangerous Liasions: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th century" and a companion book was promised. **************************** I saw that! I thought this was great and very clever. The Costume Institute's space has been greatly reduced by the new uber-cafeteria at the Met [great food!]. So how clever was it of them to combine two related Museum departments and space to show both the furniture and the clothes in their "natural habitat". I remember a woman getting her hair dressed in the morning light [the lighting of the rooms was exceptional!] and a woman fainting in the candle lit evening salon. I remember an amorous encounter you see thru a half open door to the bed chamber while others cheat at cards in the front room. I remember an unwanted pass at a lady, with the dog jumping up and upsetting a table...a vase broken on the floor [I wonder if it was real...probably]. A great show. I think I'll get the book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:39:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIdDFj023122 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:39:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LId56n019181; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:39:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIcoA2001982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIcQDs072805; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIXpHY068866 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12838 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:33:46 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book Thread-Index: AcZlcL3WPeSaeSuBSouZNl7K8VXdAAAAN65A From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3LIXpHY068866 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:39:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444926C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, all the scenes you described are in the book. I also wondered if the vase was real(a clever way to use something that is broken and of the era!)or a museum gift shop facsimile that was broken. A pity the Costume Institute's space was reduced by the new cafeteria, but maybe it will make enough money for expansion for the Costume Institute. Cindy I saw that! I thought this was great and very clever. The Costume Institute's space has been greatly reduced by the new uber-cafeteria at the Met [great food!]. So how clever was it of them to combine two related Museum departments and space to show both the furniture and the clothes in their "natural habitat". I remember a woman getting her hair dressed in the morning light [the lighting of the rooms was exceptional!] and a woman fainting in the candle lit evening salon. I remember an amorous encounter you see thru a half open door to the bed chamber while others cheat at cards in the front room. I remember an unwanted pass at a lady, with the dog jumping up and upsetting a table...a vase broken on the floor [I wonder if it was real...probably]. A great show. I think I'll get the book. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 14:45:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIjU4L023483 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LIjL6D022103; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIj1Id002875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIijxh078639; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIiXZH078425 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm65aec.bellsouth.net ([192.168.16.253]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060421184425.UEWU625.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm65aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:44:25 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([192.168.16.253]) by ibm65aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:44:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:44:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] HBO's Elizabeth I (was Marie Antoinette) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492841.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HBO actually has a website dedicated to the upcoming Elizabeth I with Jeremy Irons & Helen Mirren and some pictures - take a look. http://www.hbo.com/films/elizabeth/?ntrack_para1=leftnav_category5_show0 Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 15:07:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJ7Klk024685 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LJ7Bfu031320; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:07:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIvidS004894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LGdGPG078054; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LGcnYg077648 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4798 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 16:38:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B/C0tUgGnc0yBojSIJQxZq9e3EU4U8nW2QbiGV2Wz9M3uJkVK5JU1ulFix6zav1TEZmeDdVmQ79EkAXgIaBBjYK3FyJ5CkvUqv34okS4Gqwj++BmTGZZmQHwKGcJGOAY8FQAKsa7U3+Cw5q53IdOZaedkKoT/a4aKcpiv77jjzw= ; Message-ID: <20060421163837.4796.qmail@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:37 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 09:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604210253.k3L2rCJS017236@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Marie Antoinette/Knight's Tale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:07:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44492D5F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Snicker - I would expect that this will turn out to be silly and campy, (intended or not) and rarely presenting historical fact, although the costumes did look nice. (Or if it is good enough and popular may spur a trend in modern fashion?) The other possibility, although not likely, is that the music was provided with the trailer simply as an attention getter, and is not an essential part of the movie. I don't know anything about Sofia Coppola's directing style, but didn't she win some awards for Lost in Translation? I refused to watch A Knight's Tale for years because it was set to rock music. When I finally did see it I was pleasantly surprised that it was fun, and didn't take its self seriously. But the female lead's headdresses and hairstyles were freakish at times. Certainly not very accurate, but for nothing else to do on a rainy afternoon, provides a nice bit of fluff - or good background noise while cooking dinner or cleaning house. Annette M ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 00:14:30 +0200 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Hi I found this, and http://www.marieantoinette-lefilm.com/ Didnt they use wrong music for this? Or is it the new, that they want young people to get an interrest in history, and make it with rock music? I think i am getting old.................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:40:58 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In a message dated 4/20/2006 6:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Hahahaha.... Well, they'll probably try to make her out to just be the misunderstood Paris Hilton of the French Court...all that running around and lying in the grass and stuff. Y'know, like Mozart was just a Classical rock star! :-P The clothes look 30-fold times better than "Amadeus" I must say. They look right good. I noticed several different styles. I wonder if they follow the time line or are just scattered throughout? ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 18:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). It would have been great without the rock music and some of the questionable clothing.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:19:00 -0500 From: Karen Heim Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette It won't play on my home computer, but IIRC from listening to it at work, it's New Order. Karen Dawn wrote: > > > Does anybody know who performs the music they're playing in this teaser? > > > > Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:45:27 -0500 From: "Land of Oz" Subject: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun > characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally out > of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > It would have been great without the rock music and some of the > questionable clothing.... Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. Different strokes. Denise Iowa ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:52:15 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale >> They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >> out >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. -- Adele de Maisieres --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 15:18:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJImMF025358 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:18:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LJIe6e003489; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJD2ra007112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJCpcc003388; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LJCiJ8003273 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta01.mail.tds.net (outaamta01.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.31]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id k3LHtenT001642 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:55:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from host ([69.21.250.162]) by outaamta01.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20060421175540.MMKB31057.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@host> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:55:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001101c6656c$5b629ae0$0400a8c0@domain> From: "bobd2" To: References: <200604211544.k3LFi2mh031521@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:52:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:18:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44493010.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have an "absolute desperation/last ditch/end of your rope" solution to mouldy linen. My Mom and I came across this in a Hints from Heloise (we think, it could have just been something in the local paper) We had some white linen, with white embroidery table runners, that were in awful condition, but they were made by a family member, and tried everything to get the stains out. We used this, since the other option was to throw them out, which would have been bad. If this is sewn with silk thread..don't do this. We washed the pieces in an enzyme detergent, at the time that was "Era" Shout might be the same thing now. Wash it a few times, and rinse *very* well. Then, take a plastic tub, fill it with warm water and throw in a few Efferdent denture cleaning tablets (get the plain ones, not the ones with listerine in them) then toss in the linen, and swirl and let it sit overnight, just like a pair of dentures. Rinse *very* well again, and let it hang dry. That got out ninety percent of the mold and mildew stains. We did it a second time, and I couldn't see any stain remaining after that. But this was severely moldy (had been in a damp basement for 30 years) Caveat: I don't know what this does to the longevity of the fibers, I suspect that it's fairly destructive. But, we're gentle with the table runners now, we keep them packed in acid free boxes with acid free paper when they're not in use. But...we also expect to keep them for at least another 30 years. I don't expect that a smock/chemise will be kept that long. Hopefully one of the other methods will work for you, as I said this is a last ditch method. In service, Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 16:39:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKdF4Y030521 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:39:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LKd7Cm003282; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKcgDE019151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKcYsh079065; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-4.paradise.net.nz (bm-4a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKcL66078822 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-4.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY3004UWAMQBP@linda-4.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:38 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-27-151.paradise.net.nz [210.246.27.151]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EDE2DE91C for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:30 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:37:22 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-reply-to: <12311.65.117.156.5.1145640412.squirrel@webmail.io.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44494282.6060300@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> <20060421171504.54560.qmail@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <12311.65.117.156.5.1145640412.squirrel@webmail.io.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:39:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444942EB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > I do have to say that I really loved the scene where they are having > to decide rather quickly what he would be wearing the dinner so that > the lady could make certain she would not clash with it. Not that it helped. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:24:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLOiv4000924 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLOZrY019766; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNFWE026358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNAAB016875; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LKouh3089277 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34638 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2006 20:50:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.140.162.133 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2006 20:50:50 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bells outh.net> References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494D93.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of the images that they could share please? It is only images that I need, not the text. Thanks suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:25:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLP2d2000936 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLOoUF020066; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLMFUM026089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLM7uM015943; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from liberty3.libertyactivist.org (libertyactivist.org [199.227.219.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LGhEi5080906 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from raelee@rachelsampsel.com) Received: from localhost (liberty3 [127.0.0.1]) by liberty3.libertyactivist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFB562A3D for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from liberty3.libertyactivist.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (liberty3 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17714-02 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: by liberty3.libertyactivist.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5784762A39; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 199.31.3.198 (SquirrelMail authenticated user raelee) by www.libertyactivist.org with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <11750.199.31.3.198.1145637499.squirrel@www.libertyactivist.org> In-Reply-To: <200604201623.k3KGMZQO003022@net.indra.com> References: <200604201623.k3KGMZQO003022@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:38:19 -0600 (MDT) From: "Rachel Sampsel" To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at libertyactivist.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:24:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494DA2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have you tried soaking the garment in Vodka or other similar alcohol overnight (even rubbing alcohol might work). We used to do that with some theatre garments that came from of our more "fragrant" actors and when washing didn't work to remove the scent. Since it can kill bacteria that causes scent, perhaps it would work on mold as well? Patches _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:25:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLPj5B000999 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLPbNb007716; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNIKL026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLNEvc016934; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LIuoqG089793 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24739.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.57]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C951A50052 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002b01c66575$5cc6cfb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:56:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=23% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:25:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494DD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Cindy, Thanks for your rewiev. I have oredered mine, and i am waiting inpatiently. Because i ordered a book about Toille de Joy also, i had to waite till it get there, to get the museum catalogue. Wished i had the chance to see the exhibition for real! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book > Two years ago the Metropolitan Museum of Art had an exibition "Dangerous > Liasions: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th century" and a companion > book was promised. > > Now the book is out, published by the Met in tandem with Yale University > Press. I locked in the price of my copy at $13.95 preordered from > Amazon.com last year and it is here! For all of you 18th fashion > lovers, the book is a visual feast of mannikins posed in 18th clothes in > recreated rooms, living la vie l'amour in various stages from awaiting a > love letter to flirtation to very close encounters of the sexual kind. > Drool worthy fashions and settings with the added addition of tie-in > artwork from the Met's collection and essays documenting the stages of > love in each room at different times of the day. > > The book was actualized in hardcover, instead of paperback at a higher > price now, but for those awaitng the Marie Antoinette film, even if we > can just critique it to death for what they got wrong, this is the real > deal. Best price is at Amazon.com > > There is a stunning, ombre woven dress in the book where the original > fabric could walk down the runway today in a modern designed outfit and > look stunning! > > Cindy Abel > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:27:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLR3U6001073 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLQt1Y020718; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLO8Me026530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLO3wH017645; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKYI7P075525 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY30099BAGWLB@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:34:08 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-27-151.paradise.net.nz [210.246.27.151]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206B41008527 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:33:54 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:33:25 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale In-reply-to: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44494195.1050805@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:26:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494E1F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for > a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. > > > > *********************** > > And I thought it so mixed up and vapid as to not even be worth the effort of > hating it...or ever thinking about it again. > To tell you the truth, I mainly remember it because I was away from home and saw it at the then partially-restored Embassy Theatre in Wellington (the one where they later had the Lord of the Rings premiere) -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:29:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLT2sq001139 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:29:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLSs8c021707; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLRorD027026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:28:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKPtY1068611; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LKP8SA067953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BED15005C for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10297-01-36 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E77F2150062 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:22:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:28:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44494E96.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon L. Krossa" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine > with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into > believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and > Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall Not > Be Uttered any day! > > Sharon lol...I have never yet seen That Movie. And I have no desire to do so! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:41:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLfVSf001821 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:41:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLfMJQ025956; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:41:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLexlE029122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLesUS032345; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLemJe032218 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eJgTae8BQa6Zq8LQY8f08g9w+4ShWoI4lh9BWn1lzw23A/Z/fF3XjW0Mr5C+6XJb; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.7.105] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX3Mt-0003TA-NF for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: <02a501c6658c$5524f4f0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:41:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48150ba5c0a5d462921e9cc2f1c527581ef83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.7.105 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:41:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495182.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images > > I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies in > "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not relevant. > Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of the images > that they could share please? It is only images that I need, not the text. > > Thanks > > suzi I've got some Jacobean pregnant ladies, but I don't think any of them are early than 1600. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:44:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLiFTr001985 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:44:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLi72g026918; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLhYij029401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLhT93034546; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLhMPb034337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3LLhFsW080196 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43099.65.117.156.5.1145655795.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> <025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:43:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495227.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jesus folks .. the snarking really needs to end. Sigh. On Fri, April 21, 2006 3:22 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki said: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon L. Krossa" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > >> So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is >> fine >> with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into >> believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and >> Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall >> Not >> Be Uttered any day! >> >> Sharon > > > lol...I have never yet seen That Movie. And I have no desire to do > so! > > Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 17:49:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLnuMM002323 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:49:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LLnmKt028979; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:49:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLnK8J030068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLn84M039384; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LLmiP1039013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11595 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FX3Ug-0005N2-Rj for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:51 -0500 Message-ID: <021c01c6658d$5c330740$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:49:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449537C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I loved Knight's Tale. It has such a sense of humor about itself, which I'll take any day over a movie that takes itself too seriously. It was supposed to give modern-day, non-historians a feel for how jousting was regarded in its heyday--an exciting, hip sporting event, complete with rabid fans and regional rivalries--and I think that the anachronisms added to that rather than taking away from it. By the way, the commentary for the DVD is pretty darn funny, and full of the director making straight-faced comments such as how surprised he'd been to find out that David Bowie was not, in fact, a medieval bard. (He also explains what 'fong' means.) AKT is one of the very few movies I actually liked well enough to buy on DVD, which for me is saying a lot. Besides, I'm a huge Alan Tudyk fan. (The red-headed, frog-faced guy who played Wat and wanted to fong everyone.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:07:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LM7NJQ003304 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LM7FE8002808; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LM6kGo032523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LM6eE1054419; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LM6aCQ054271 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 42334 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 22:06:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xejL4aLqd5Je/B0RbA3fqbg71urOYeWY8L52ps2CWVR1d3OQq7/YNc1ibCoc1KtUNBY7Np+YM/mZUQA2KODGWbjmeFKDPjkdtNADGCF9bgm8WSOKRRIGURtz1WsaBb+VK+CviT2RQCJuUA7YmE5XN29Lu/+TPIy/GkjraUj4ucs= ; Message-ID: <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.13.195] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:06:31 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <021c01c6658d$5c330740$9400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495793.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of Alan Tudyk brings to mind another odd/wonderful costume display - Firefly & Serenity. Not your "normal" sci fi outing but really fun. I love the blend of cultural influences - it must have been a blast to work on that series. And Wash was one of my favorites. --- E House wrote: > I loved Knight's Tale. It has such a sense of humor > about itself, which > I'll take any day over a movie that takes itself too > seriously. It was > supposed to give modern-day, non-historians a feel > for how jousting was > regarded in its heyday--an exciting, hip sporting > event, complete with rabid > fans and regional rivalries--and I think that the > anachronisms added to that > rather than taking away from it. > > By the way, the commentary for the DVD is pretty > darn funny, and full of the > director making straight-faced comments such as how > surprised he'd been to > find out that David Bowie was not, in fact, a > medieval bard. (He also > explains what 'fong' means.) AKT is one of the very > few movies I actually > liked well enough to buy on DVD, which for me is > saying a lot. > > Besides, I'm a huge Alan Tudyk fan. (The red-headed, > frog-faced guy who > played Wat and wanted to fong everyone.) > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMFAO0003730 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMF2XQ005332; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMD7am033381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMD2Qb059794; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMCvW4059719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (209-148-127-208.arc16.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.127.208]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3LLj3tC016613 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:04 -0700 Message-ID: <44495272.4020206@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:45:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Possibly little known costume film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495966.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp," produced in England in 1943 in early Technicolor (which here comes off looking painterly rather than crude). This film is a rather mild, understanding, even sentimental satire of the Victorian/Edwardian school of gentlemanly war, and indeed of that style of gentleman. However, due to the war effort the film came under a great deal of criticism at the time, and Churchill was among those who felt it should not even be released. With historical hindsight, its political points seem quite true, rather than inflammatory. But it's not entirely a war flick; in fact, it's in large part a romance. It starts in 1901 or 1902 (I forget which) and continues up to the early 1940s. As far as costumes, settings, etc. go it's quite lavish for its period. It's a good thing this film has been re-released. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:22:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMM65v004241 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMLwwj007820; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMLmUZ034434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMLjRT067362; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3LMLfcD067219 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kelley_gerl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 11049 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2006 22:21:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IMUpJSA1f5zYn+u9SUyosDGORaeFJkB2FWCDdkV9NNJ4bwWEvS4tRaUazsq3MvI1by5ehCh2VL2eihlNv8kzkmJ9o1ME27Z8+K+cgL+cEBSx+jPwse+Awy/9409lrBLpRmURpHo2DEyzeEKRuHLDbr4x4ouMPdIxPUx6i7GraOY= ; Message-ID: <20060421222135.11047.qmail@web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.86.81.152] by web32914.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:35 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: S Kelley To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Please remove me from h-costume mailing list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:22:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495B06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Please remove me from the h-costume mailing list. Thank you, Sharon Kelley --------------------------------- Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:39:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMd3i7005245 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMctde013240; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMch9U036879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMcesm080481; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMcWKE080364 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cf.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.207]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A0C4A26282D for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:38:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000301c66594$56c87220$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:38:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] =?iso-8859-1?q?J=2EP=2ERyan=B4s_gentlemans_jacket_1770_?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:38:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44495EFF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Have any here, tryed out the J.P. Ryan´s Gentlemans Jacket 1770? I have ordered this pattern, and would ask if there is something i should notice? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:45:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMjhF0005752 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMjZXN015374; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMjGVA037672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMjDrY085894; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:45:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay109-f2.bay109.hotmail.com [64.4.19.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMj78k085814 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mrscakehole@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:45:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [86.143.157.73] X-Originating-Email: [mrscakehole@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mrscakehole@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200604212151.k3LLo3Vc040200@net.indra.com> From: "Kate Cole" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:45:05 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Apr 2006 22:45:06.0657 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C85C510:01C66595] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pregnant Tudors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449608F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This pregnant Tudor lady is currently on show at the Tate Britain... http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27365&searchid=22478 >Message: 11 >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:50 +0100 >From: Suzi Clarke >Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies >in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not >relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of >the images that they could share please? It is only images that I >need, not the text. > >Thanks > >suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:49:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMnKMx005957 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:49:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMnDDg016256; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMm2Ew037951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMm1cd088025; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMlt27087958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3) with ESMTP id k3LMlpoO018100 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64103.72.13.239.193.1145659674.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <021c01c6658d$5c330740$9400a8c0@compaqub> <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:49:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44496169.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Plunkett and MacLean was an 18thC movie that used some modern music. On the one hand it was odd, but we expect background music in movies. What struck me as odd was that the movie was set mid-century (I think it said 1740 or 1750 on screen), and a fashion-forward character was dressed in 1790s style. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:51:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMp0ds006055 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:51:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMoqkq015349; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMocnt038208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMoZQ3090058; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMoVeM089898 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3de.82b4a (58550) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3de.82b4a.317abbad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dangerous Liasions book To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5303 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444961CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:24:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I have oredered mine, and i am waiting inpatiently. Because i ordered a book about Toille de Joy also, i had to waite till it get there, to get the museum catalogue. I ordered two books from Amazon--the said DL, and the 19th c. Fashion in Detail. Amazon shipped the latter when it was available, and the DL book just last week, but still didn't charge me the shipping charge. So you may get your books separately, Bjarne. Ann Wass P.S. Two things about the DL book--first, the page numbers are microscopic. Second, while the pictures are to drool over (and I saw the exhibit, too), I find the text almost too fey and precious. Maybe ALL the French aristocrats carried on like that--after all, there was a revolution--but weren't ANY of them devoted family types who stayed home, tended their estates, and raised their families? (Oh, I know, that sounds so veddy English!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 18:54:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsuE3006325 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:54:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3LMsmT6017849; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:54:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsbCq038720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsav8093134; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3LMsW20093054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11758 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FX4WO-00035j-Rf for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:41 -0500 Message-ID: <026801c66596$8e35d430$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060421220631.42332.qmail@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444962B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Shiny! =} Ob costume comment--Inara has some pretty darn spiffy outfits, and I made my husband a suede browncoat. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" > Speaking of Alan Tudyk brings to mind another > odd/wonderful costume display - Firefly & Serenity. > Not your "normal" sci fi outing but really fun. I > love the blend of cultural influences - it must have > been a blast to work on that series. And Wash was one > of my favorites. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 20:15:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0Fj4T012054 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:15:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M0Fa73008698; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0FEwc046952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0FATi056308; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0F7pv056222 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3df.aa47d (4552) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3df.aa47d.317acf80@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:14:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:15:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444975A8.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 5:44:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chiara@io.com writes: Jesus folks .. the snarking really needs to end. Sigh. *************** Why is that? It's only a movie. Those of us who don't like it certainly don't extend such feelings to the people who do like it. A little snarking can be fun....and sometimes start a good discussion. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 20:35:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0Zpoe013137 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M0Zhdx014011; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0ZGCJ049174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0ZFUp070723; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M0ZBU7070609 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.322.2c54991 (4552) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <322.2c54991.317ad434@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:35:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44497A5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2006 6:48:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: What struck me as odd was that the movie was set mid-century (I think it said 1740 or 1750 on screen), and a fashion-forward character was dressed in 1790s style. ****************** Designers often use styles from the whole century all at once without following the time line. They seem to do this more in the 18th century than any other. Perhaps because the changes aren't a drastic as they are in the 19th century. Although, I can't tell you how many 1840s and 1850s dresses get used in Civil War epics! I once worked for an LA designer who mainly did TV. He and his assistant were snotty to us hayseeds [they thought] here in NC. His assistant with his nose in the air gave me a speech on how carefully they had researched and how the designer was a stickler for accuracy. Then he handed me to alter for the engenue: a wool plaid dress, closing CB with hooks & eyes, the bodice gathered a la verge at the deep CF point, horizontal decolatage, with longish manchions and long bias-cut tight sleeves. The skirt was cartridge pleated all the way round...even down and around the point. The film took place in 1863. Yeah....a stickler for accuracy alright. [For those who's period is not the mid 1800s, all those details scream....and I mean scream... 1840s] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 21:32:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1WV9l016625 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M1WN1j029684; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1VOLt054816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1VKL8010496; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1VGT9010388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FX6xw-0007lj-V9; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:31:16 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20060421213116.sexntoaes80swg4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:31:16 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444987A7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Suzi Clarke : > > I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies > in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not > relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of > the images that they could share please? It is only images that I > need, not the text. > Suzi, here's the list I've collected The tinyurl is the link to the same page ..... Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let me know) just look at that pregnant face ... http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorToledo.j pg http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 and she certainly looks pregnant to me! Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg http://tinyurl.com/css6h Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02108.jpg http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 Maegherita of Austria http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg http://tinyurl.com/8rqty The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=206 The Pearly Queen http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg and protrait of a woman in red http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg That last one is from 1620. http://www.weissgallery.com/detail.asp?id=26&category=current I may have another one, I'm not sure. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 21:51:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1p1OU017564 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:51:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M1oqRa002193; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:50:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1oLEe056323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1oJJL023607; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1oFAX023546 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AAA343D0388; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:45:07 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:40 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c665af$28b4fd70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <870801590604210839p2b0c3700y96aeda8a6f25dd7@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I agree- the leading lady was SO out of period. I kept thinking one hat looked more like it belonged in "Breakfast at Tiffany's". The costumes bothered me more than the music. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > >I loved that movie. But I wasn't expecting authenticity, I was > >expecting FUN, and I got that. The characters were enjoyable, and > >the story was classic "poor boy makes good", which is timeless. > > I couldn't stop laughing through the whole movie. I thought it was > hilarious. Bought it, and listened to the commentary by the director > and... the guy who plays Chaucer... and they mocked themselves the > whole way through. The director kept saying stuff like, "No one told > me they didn't do that back then." I enjoyed the movie as well, since I wasn't expecting authenticity either. I however would have like to have seen the leading lady in costumes more appropriate to the setting. That was too jarring, when everyone else around her was wearing something closer to the correct stuff. I try to enjoy movies for their entertainment value, the story, etc. it's just when they try to tell you that the film is historically correct that I get upset over the details that are just so wrong... alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 21 21:53:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rgp0017677 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M1rYQR002884; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rI0U056604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rIdK025684; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M1rGKL025649 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB5A5B5039A; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:48:10 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:53:43 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c665af$95d0d050$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44498C9E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Do you mean "Macbeth"? (hee-hee) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon L. Krossa Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale At 2:52 PM +1200 4/21/06, Adele de Maisieres wrote: >>>They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun >>>characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally >>>out of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). >> >>Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the >>movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > >Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped >for a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. I confess I prefer it when historically inspired movies include such anachronisms as obviously modern rock music -- it helps the audience keep in mind that they are watching fiction, and that they shouldn't believe what they're seeing is real after the reel ends. So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered any day! Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 00:45:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M4j3DX027092 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:45:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M4isPC021004; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:44:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M4ic1x071630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M4iWmX038819; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M4iQgH038726 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:44:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.87.243] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FX9yr-0008T2-UC for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:44:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002f01c665af$95d0d050$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <002f01c665af$95d0d050$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:44:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcb0defe34377de1812bd3a42b9658d8c2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.87.243 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:44:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449B4C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 6:53 PM -0700 4/21/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote (in reference to my reference to That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered): >Do you mean "Macbeth"? (hee-hee) No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film. Sharon PS For those interested, I have a page with a few comments on the film in question at (but those who don't like to hear that films are historically inaccurate should stay away ;-) -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 01:04:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M54vH3028845 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:04:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M54noM026108; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:04:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M54UI2073152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M54TT8051359; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M54PeM051316 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=lQ8Uk/NVRdI/nutyR9lemtIH6atTf/JWZG01QW0VsaAiYd8FyQGLWAg2QhwtmaDO; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.110.36] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXAIC-0005nu-Do for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:04:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060421154342.54130.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060421154342.54130.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:45:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cb3f2197b57426537bf1c5d02d050b29d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.110.36 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 01:04:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449B971.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 8:43 AM -0700 4/21/06, Chris wrote: >Forgot...I was completely blown away by the plaids they've found as >well...reminds me of the Stewart 'hunting' plaid, but regardless, >it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! Wait until you see it! Yes, and of course the news media immediately seized on this and started speculating about "Celtic peoples" in central Asia . You don't have to be Celtic to weave plaid fabric. Or wear it. Or anything.... it's just what happens naturally when you have repeating color patterns in your warp and weft... -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 05:48:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9mEc1032360 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:48:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M9m6i4001848; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9liKM002418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9lfIM017453; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9lacx017335 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ad.1203e38 (58677) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:47:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <3ad.1203e38.317b55b0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:47:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449FBD6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/06 6:05:50 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp," fabulous film - was on telly here again a couple of months ago - always try to see it when it's on :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 05:49:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9njIM032515 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:49:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M9naZ5019331; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9nGIU002953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9nGEd018396; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9nB4a018290 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.29e.91e819c (58677) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <29e.91e819c.317b560e@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:49:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:49:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449FC30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/06 6:05:50 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Plunkett and MacLean yeah, but the really glaring bit was the sheer black stocking one of the robbery victims was wearing.... that said, the coachman's coat is fabulous _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 05:53:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9rgec000489 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:53:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3M9rYWJ003316; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9rFiG004203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9rDVu020512; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9rBBt020437 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:53:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.29e.91e44fe (58677) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:53:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4449FD1E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/06 6:05:50 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film. > > Sharon ah - but william wallace took York, you know....;-) I actually have one friend (Scottish) who rants for about half an hour every time it's mentioned - on the basis of how large an insult it is to william wallace to show him as basically a peasant (given he was actually a lowland knight, and very well educated). And then he starts on the tartan and blue faces.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 06:31:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MAVrQN009927 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:31:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MAVjgi012423; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:31:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MAVWJa015755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MAVT6j045701; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3MAVP3F045603 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37229 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 10:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 10:31:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060422112135.01e26008@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:22:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pregnant Tudors In-Reply-To: References: <200604212151.k3LLo3Vc040200@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:31:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A0611.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:45 21/04/2006, you wrote: >This pregnant Tudor lady is currently on show at the Tate Britain... > >http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=27365&searchid=22478 > > >>I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor ladies >>in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as interesting not >>relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did anyone keep a file of >>the images that they could share please? It is only images that I >>need, not the text. Thanks Kate - I love that one. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 07:48:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MBmCH9023745 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:48:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MBm3nb030955; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:48:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MBllqo032947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MBleAb092028; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MBla3j091974 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3MBkpbi003056 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:46:51 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MBlJ6i237724 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:47:30 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:02:39 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:48:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A17F3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm looking for a pattern for fall front trousers suitable for 1812 American Naval wear. A shell jacket pattern would be good too, but I think I can fake it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 08:01:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MC1Oqe024196 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:01:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MC1GVW002524; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MC10gK034045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MC0wX5000348; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MC0tFv000322 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:00:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3MBuirf011125 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200604220504.k3M54Udt051369@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Library lover X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:01:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A1B0C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's another reason I read h-costume and find it invaluable. Often times other members mention books that sound delicious. If the book is hard to find or really expensive, I go to the on-line catalogue of the public library to see if it's there. After I've actually looked at the book in person sometimes I feel I have to own it. Then I steal it from the library. NO! Just kidding of course! Then I go to the usual book-buying sources. Right now I've just reserved Toile de Jouy because it was mentioned in the last h-costume digest. And here's a plea for public libraries - they're always short of funds. A yearly donation is tax-deductible. With your contribution they can go out and buy more books - and keep the lights on. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 08:45:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MCjPPw027033 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:45:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MCjH9F015181; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:45:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MCijQA037061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MCihBX026285; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MCie8D026213 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A53101E0; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:44:33 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Apr 2006 08:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01c6660a$da41f6a0$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44495272.4020206@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Possibly little known costume film Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:46:59 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A255D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We caught this on Turner Classics last week and were charmed (if that is the right word!) with the story line as well as the costumes. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] Possibly little known costume film > "The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp," produced in England in 1943 in > early Technicolor (which here comes off looking painterly rather than > crude). This film is a rather mild, understanding, even sentimental > satire of the Victorian/Edwardian school of gentlemanly war, and indeed > of that style of gentleman. However, due to the war effort the film came > under a great deal of criticism at the time, and Churchill was among > those who felt it should not even be released. With historical > hindsight, its political points seem quite true, rather than inflammatory. > > But it's not entirely a war flick; in fact, it's in large part a > romance. It starts in 1901 or 1902 (I forget which) and continues up to > the early 1940s. As far as costumes, settings, etc. go it's quite > lavish for its period. > > It's a good thing this film has been re-released. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:03:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD3PMY028436 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:03:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MD3GXw020561; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:03:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD2v2p038606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD2jst037448; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD2aPo037368 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gwen@moonsandstars.com) Received: from wendy ([70.81.206.53]) by VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IY400HKGK859X70@VL-MH-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:01:45 -0400 From: Gwen To: Historical Costume Message-id: <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:03:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A2994.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white linen that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has blue black stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. Gwenhwyfar _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:09:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD996D028611 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MD91RY022132; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD8oFA039162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD8nTj041422; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3M9sGuZ021084 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2ea.57f5c12 (58677) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:54:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2ea.57f5c12.317b573d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:54:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A2AED.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/06 6:05:50 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > started speculating about "Celtic peoples" in central Asia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:09:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD9TZS028627 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MD9Ltj003855; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD90ZA039189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD8xJQ041569; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.areatech.com [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MAL9BE039798 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 757F0367A9 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:19:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:19:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] request X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A2B01.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For those that have digest I do my best to trim. For those who have digest, please put something in the subject heading in place of Digest, vol#, issue### or Digest #. Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:09:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD9YUq028633 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MD9QPX024091; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD9AdO039228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD9AX9041724; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3MAVPpS045602 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37226 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 10:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 10:31:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060422112101.01e1cf30@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:21:23 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images In-Reply-To: <02a501c6658c$5524f4f0$0300a8c0@boris> References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> <02a501c6658c$5524f4f0$0300a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:09:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A2B06.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 22:41 21/04/2006, you wrote: >Subject: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images > > >> >>I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor >>ladies in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as >>interesting not relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did >>anyone keep a file of the images that they could share please? It >>is only images that I need, not the text. >> >>Thanks >> >>suzi >I've got some Jacobean pregnant ladies, but I don't think any of >them are early than 1600. > >Melusine Thanks but unfortunately they "need" to be before 1600. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:12:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDCB45028712 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MDC3kS022993; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD95xl039212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MD957h041646; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3MAVPmG045606 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37234 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 10:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2006 10:31:20 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060422112733.01db2558@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:28:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor pregnant images In-Reply-To: <20060421213116.sexntoaes80swg4w@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060421184424.GIPQ10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <6.2.3.4.0.20060421205919.01e0f490@127.0.0.1> <20060421213116.sexntoaes80swg4w@www.goldsword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A2BA3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:31 22/04/2006, you wrote: >Quoting Suzi Clarke : > >> >>I know that recently there was a discussion on images of Tudor >>ladies in "pregnant gowns" but I read and dismissed it as >>interesting not relevant. Well, it's come back to bite me!! Did >>anyone keep a file of the images that they could share please? It >>is only images that I need, not the text. > >Suzi, here's the list I've collected > >The tinyurl is the link to the same page ..... > >Well, it's definately Eleanora (I found this one on the web somewhere, >and seem to have misplaced the information. If it's yours, please let >me know) just look at that pregnant face ... >http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/bronzinoFollower_EleanorToledo.j >pg >http://tinyurl.com/9fn48 >and she certainly looks pregnant to me! > >Bianca Capello -- found this one on the web too >http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/unNoted_BiancaCapello.jpg >http://tinyurl.com/css6h > >Wife of John Thynne -- found this one on the web as well >http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/english_WifeJohnThynne-euh02108.jpg >http://tinyurl.com/b8vw9 > >Maegherita of Austria >http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/gonzalez_MargheritaAustria.jpg >http://tinyurl.com/8rqty > >The 2 by Marcus gheeraerts, I found here >http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ArtistWorks?cgroupid=999999961&artistid=206 >The Pearly Queen >http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T07/T07699_9.jpg >and protrait of a woman in red >http://www.tate.org.uk/collection/T/T03/T03456_9.jpg >That last one is from 1620. > >http://www.weissgallery.com/detail.asp?id=26&category=current > >I may have another one, I'm not sure. Susan Thanks, that is great, and I think the last one may well be ideal for what my student is looking for. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:31:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDVL4i029432 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:31:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MDVDkb028445; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:31:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDUxxw040756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDUv5p054650; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDUrUA054565 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A007021C; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:30:47 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Apr 2006 09:30:44 -0400 Message-ID: <008101c66611$56054160$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:33:25 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:31:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A3021.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A drastic move because it contains chlorine...Aunt Ellen's stain remover (JoAnns carries it) This is a wonder product for the type of stain you are dealing with. I had a tux shirt that went through the wash with the bow tie in the pocket and was dismayed that the red bled at that spot of contact. Used AE while the garment was still wet and it worked like magic. I then tried it on my favorite Tea Cozy that had long set in stains from normal use and was amazed that I was able to bring it to almost new appearance. It is a 'spot' cleaner, and as I said has some chlorine in it and ? But it works, and my linens do not seem to be the worse for the treatment. It comes for colored fabric as well as white. I have not seen noticeable affect on the surrounding fibers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white linen > that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has blue black > stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. > > Gwenhwyfar > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:38:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDcAxM029634 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:38:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MDc2xx030491; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:38:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDbnB9041154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDbiJ0058692; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDbcqP058608 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3MDbaQd000571 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:37:37 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:25:03 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604212150.k3LLo3Vb040200@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 350 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:38:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A31BA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sharon wrote: > So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is fine > with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into > believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and > Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall Not > Be Uttered any day! Hear hear! I love "A Knight's Tale," and the thing I love the most is that the STORY is pretty close to medieval. William gets to be a knight at the end, he doesn't decided that "we are all knights in our hearts," or something stupid like that. The lady he loves says she would marry him and live in a hut with pigs, and he tells her she doesn't know what she's talking about. Etc. The ananchronisms are to help people understand the medieval story. It doesn't change history and pretend to be accurate, or give characters stupid pop-psych reasons for their actions (my mom died and my dad married a peasant -- angst, angst!). Once I got over the shock, I thought the costumes were a fun meld of medieval and modern, and I enjoyed seeing the influences. My favorite anachronistic moment was when Adhemar is off fighting and he gets the results of the tournaments -- a big pile of illuminated documents -- like the sports section of the morning newspaper. Marie Antoinette sounds rather interesting. I will keep an open mind. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:41:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDfTtI029779 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:41:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MDfLFb031742; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDf92P041464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDf7an060955; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDf3t6060849 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A26901F0; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:40:57 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 22 Apr 2006 09:40:54 -0400 Message-ID: <008b01c66612$c20834c0$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:43:35 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:41:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A3281.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Carolyn, I have a pair of trousers from the first quarter 19th C and they are constructed pretty much the same as the LongFall of the ...Eagle pattern that included knickers. The two major differences are the width of the waist band and the back omits the capacious seat and gusset. No pockets, but the from is cut full enough to accommodate them. There are buttons for straps or suspenders. Basically, the naval trou still being used through the 1940's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. > I'm looking for a pattern for fall front trousers suitable for 1812 > American Naval wear. A shell jacket pattern would be good too, but I think > I can fake it. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:43:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDhxhe029870 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:43:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MDhpw1032515; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDhPGC041613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:43:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDhNq3062270; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDhJAU062195 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3MDhAQd000971 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:43:10 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:30:37 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604220504.k3M54Uds051369@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A3317.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sharon wrote: > No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film. I always thought The Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered was the one with the title ending "Prince of Thieves." Around here, anyway. Sorry if I caused any palpitations by writing even that much of it-- Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 09:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDtfuh031209 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:55:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MDtXJw003676; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDtGRH042556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDtEF0069830; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MDt81c069739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FXIZf-0005hF-L7; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:54:59 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:54:59 -0400 Message-ID: <20060422095459.l3m6372dz4w8ks00@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:54:59 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen References: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> In-Reply-To: <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A35D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Gwen : > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white > linen that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has > blue black stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. > From another list ... ----- Forwarded message from jen@verybigdesign.com ----- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:25:45 -0400 From: jen funk segrest Reply-To: sca-bead@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sca-bead] Got a stain on your garb? To: App list list , sca-middle@midrealm.org, spot@midrealm.org, BaronyFenix@yahoogroups.com, famdamily@yahoogroups.com, hawkes-keye@yahoogroups.com, sca-bead@yahoogroups.com I did. I was showing someone at RUM a few weeks ago how to do viking wire knitting and the pen I was using as a mandrel had the cap off and garb beneath had a HUGE permanent ink marker stain. All the way through two dresses to my skin. I had washed the viking apron, it's old I wasn't out anything, and taken alcohol to it to vainly try to get it out (don't use that I found out). The large dime sized black dot on the front right above the belt line on my grey herolfnes underdress was the worst, it's my main piece of garb right now. I wisely hadn't washed since it happened, but had taken some alcohol to the smaller spots. I knew washing could set in stains so I let it alone. it's been sitting in my hamper since while I researched some options. I found this stuff recommended on the Sharpie marker site called Amodex. http://www.amodexink.com/ A quick google search found me several places that had it and I ordered a 1oz bottle. It came today. It claims to remove ink of all kinds, grease, food, berry, blood, the works. Basically if it's a stain it'll take it out on ANY fabric or surface. I have to say this crap works. At least on permanent marker on fabric! WOW! It's very much like a dishwashing liquid in appearance an consistancy, it comes with a brush. I could see each successive application of a few drops and rubbing working by the spot underneath go from a bloody yellow to yellow to a beige to barely anything at all. Took about a half hour and over a dozen applications of the liquid but by the end I had a hard time spotting the I was working on. And it took out the smaller ones. It also, though, removed most of the stain on my viking apron as well, and it had been washed before. but the results are not NEARLY as impressive as the unwashed dress. After the washing I just put the dresses in for I expect it to be nearly invisible on the grey dress. Definitely wearable without being under another dress even. Just wanted to pass on a good product we probably will all need at some point. I have a ton left (probably only used a tablespoon's worth) and happy to have it in case of a future incident. If anyone wants the link to buy where i got it from email me. You can also order some direct from the manufacturer in larger and travel sizes. I highly suggest buying one before you need it. I wish I'd found it years ago. griz This email is allowed to be: [x] Shared [x] Forwarded [ ] Used as documentation [x] Tattoed on butt in 72 point Times New Roman Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 10:12:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MECexI031763 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:12:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MECVrt009065; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEBPa7043952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEBMvQ080121; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEBJc5079983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FXIpN-0007ty-5Z; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:11:13 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: <20060422101113.a75z82elrwckck0o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:11:13 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review References: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com> <071e01c6618b$9d022630$ab00a8c0@compaqub> <000f01c661b5$62e83dc0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000f01c661b5$62e83dc0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A39CF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > I have to add that after examining extant 18th C garments, I am amazed at > all the piecing that was used to get the whole costume out of a given fabric > yardage.Lots!! Matching patterns, never mind grain, did not seem to be a > high priority. Using today's fabric widths often prompts wider skirts or > fuller sleeves because our aesthetic consciousness allows for an opulence > that may never have been possible in times past. Another earlier example is the Eleanor of Toledo "burial dress" -- she also wore it when she was alive and was painted in this gown at least once (so you can't say it was pieced because she was buried in it) http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/EleanoraBurialDress-150.jpg Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 10:55:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEtP7W001772 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:55:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MEtHDd021503; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:55:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEsshI047821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:54:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEspOv007265; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEslp3007219 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m233.in-tch.com [216.166.191.233]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3MEjOA28728 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:45:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005b01c6661d$bc8ed5c0$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <38c.1449b5b.317a4116@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:02:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:55:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A43D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm with Albert on this one....I can handle purely modern or anachronistic interpretations just fine, but found the mix of modern and peri-oid disconcerting and unimpressive. Yeah, I "got" it, but I didn't *like* it. Ditto something like "Moulin Rouge." The disccordance between rock music and historical pieces just does *nothing* for me. --Sue in Montana, who actually has rather eclectic musical tastes, including a fair amount of rock..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:53:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ladyadele@paradise.net.nz writes: > > They did the same thing with "A Knight's Tale". Decent story, fun > >> characters and okay clothing but the music......Very rock and totally > >> out > >> of place (along with the icky lampshade hat on his girlfriend). > > > > > > > > Now, see I thought the music and the "medieval punk" really MADE the > > movie. It would have been boring w/o it, IMO. > > > > Snerf. I thought they might as well have kept the jousting, plumped for > a modern setting and achieved less net total anachronism. > > > > *********************** > > And I thought it so mixed up and vapid as to not even be worth the effort of > hating it...or ever thinking about it again. > > Different strokes indeed. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 10:58:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEw0Cg001847 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:58:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MEvqLc022125; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:57:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEvcpr048021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:57:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEva7H008924; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MEvX22008811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FXJY6-0005fy-M4; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:57:26 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:57:26 -0400 Message-ID: <20060422105726.dbdfa1dk0k0wwkwk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:57:26 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO This one is from 1620ish -- it's another one of Margaret of Austria http://search.sothebys.com/jsps/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=4M8S4 ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:04:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF4Oi2002836 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:04:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MF4G77023799; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF44va048759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF419t012969; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF3tP3012913 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m233.in-tch.com [216.166.191.233]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3MEsUA00688 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:54:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00b301c6661f$022471c0$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002d01c664c7$ce2923f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><1108.67.174.246.110.1145583030.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><03e701c664ed$a61be2f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db><444848DF.1010500@paradise.net.nz><025301c66581$59d69720$154d4e40@Stuckis> <43099.65.117.156.5.1145655795.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:11:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:04:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A45F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm not seeing "snarking" at all. Sheesh, chill, huh?.... --Sue, who's not quite figured out which "Movie That Shall Not Be Named" people are referring to..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > Jesus folks .. the snarking really needs to end. Sigh. > > > On Fri, April 21, 2006 3:22 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki said: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon L. Krossa" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > > > > >> So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is > >> fine > >> with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into > >> believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and > >> Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall > >> Not > >> Be Uttered any day! > >> > >> Sharon > > > > > > lol...I have never yet seen That Movie. And I have no desire to do > > so! > > > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:08:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF8TK4002944 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MF8Mcm024783; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF8ASX049126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF89O5015594; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MF86Xq015507 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3b0.1284002 (39329) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:07:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3b0.1284002.317ba0ce@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:07:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A46E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/2006 12:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film ************ "The Passion of the Christ"????? Weren't they speaking Pict? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:13:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFDUDD003118 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:13:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MFDMJP026151; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:13:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFCVYj049406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFCSeA018296; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFCOfA018255 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m233.in-tch.com [216.166.191.233]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3MF30A02440 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:03:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00ef01c66620$32159660$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002f01c665af$95d0d050$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:19:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A4812.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh. Okay. I never would have guessed that in a million years. I like that one as a movie, but really *hated* the historical inaccuracies built into it, since I find history pretty fascinating and entertaining sans adulteration for plot purposes. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon L. Krossa" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > At 6:53 PM -0700 4/21/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote (in > reference to my reference to That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be > Uttered): > >Do you mean "Macbeth"? (hee-hee) > > No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film. > > Sharon > > PS For those interested, I have a page with a few comments on the > film in question at > (but those > who don't like to hear that films are historically inaccurate should > stay away ;-) > -- > Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org > Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: > Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:14:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFEb1E003133 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:14:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MFETVk005802; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFE8Ac049483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFE6VF019109; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:14:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3MFE1hl019025 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 28691 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2006 15:19:29 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:19:29 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1063.67.174.246.110.1145718853.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> References: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A4855.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white > linen > that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has blue black > stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. Rit makes something called "color remover". I haven't used it myself but it may help your linen. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:21:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFLEiD003326 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:21:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MFL6Nn028392; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:21:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFKrVJ050008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFKqHW022944; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFKiNi022864 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m233.in-tch.com [216.166.191.233]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3MFBCA04164 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:11:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <012f01c66621$57b56f20$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2cf.70a693e.3173e70d@aol.com><071e01c6618b$9d022630$ab00a8c0@compaqub><000f01c661b5$62e83dc0$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> <20060422101113.a75z82elrwckck0o@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:28:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A49E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Truly? I've seen a couple of books and museums claim that, but it's always the wrong dress. Which painting are you referring to? --Sue (16th century geek ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review > Quoting Lloyd Mitchell : > > > I have to add that after examining extant 18th C garments, I am amazed at > > all the piecing that was used to get the whole costume out of a given fabric > > yardage.Lots!! Matching patterns, never mind grain, did not seem to be a > > high priority. Using today's fabric widths often prompts wider skirts or > > fuller sleeves because our aesthetic consciousness allows for an opulence > > that may never have been possible in times past. > > Another earlier example is the Eleanor of Toledo "burial dress" -- she > also wore it when she was alive and was painted in this gown at least > once (so you can't say it was pieced because she was buried in it) > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/EleanoraBurialDress-150.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFMu9g003393 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MFMmu6008062; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFMVut050126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFMTj6024047; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFMQ2Q023970 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m233.in-tch.com [216.166.191.233]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3MFCuA04441 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:12:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <013601c66621$957d2b40$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3b0.1284002.317ba0ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:29:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A4A48.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ROTFLMAO!!! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > In a message dated 4/22/2006 12:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: > > No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film > > > ************ > > "The Passion of the Christ"????? > > Weren't they speaking Pict? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 11:53:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFrBTg004909 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:53:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MFr3iM004023; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFqpSM054372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFqmAt044565; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MFqZNL044359 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.38a.1660245 (39329) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:52:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <38a.1660245.317bab3a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:52:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:53:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A515F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/2006 11:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/EleanoraBurialDress-150.jpg ******************** As one can see from the splayed out remains of the gown, the piecing is symmetrical and careful. Obviously employed to get the width needed to cut the large pattern pieces. This is not what we were talking about, careful piecing of plain fabric. We were talking about matching patterns on fabric and piecing every which way to get even small parts, like tabs or sleeves, cut out. This hap hazard piecing indeed goes on as well as ordered intentional piecing. But I say that matching brocades and prints was just as important and done just as much whenever possible as we would today. Perhaps a lot of hap hazard pieced garments survive because they weren't liked and not worn as much. I'll bet most were cut from some other garment...thus great fabric limitations. And I don't mean the piecing of linings and facings either. To think that people just didn't care about it or accepted sloppy piecing with no problamo is rubbish. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 12:00:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MG0qw0005340 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:00:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MG0iiN006086; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MG0R8x055484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MG0Qs8050006; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MG0NeH049900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FXKWs-0005rA-NN; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:00:14 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:00:14 -0400 Message-ID: <20060422120014.7pltdwlpckksk8g8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:00:14 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Sue Clemenger : > Truly? I've seen a couple of books and museums claim that, but it's always > the wrong dress. Which painting are you referring to? > --Sue (16th century geek ;o) I believe that it's this painting (and I can't remember if it's a Bronzino or an Allori) http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo4.jpg Well, drat -- no it's not. There's no trim up the center-front. *sigh* That's the one that I was thinking of anyway. *sigh* Susan >> >> Another earlier example is the Eleanor of Toledo "burial dress" -- she >> also wore it when she was alive and was painted in this gown at least >> once (so you can't say it was pieced because she was buried in it) >> > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/EleanoraBurialDress-150.jpg > > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 12:47:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MGloXw008286 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:47:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MGlfmS017908; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MGlMXM059822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MGlEWU080076; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav9.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MGl6no079981 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 16:47:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3b0.1284002.317ba0ce@aol.com> <013601c66621$957d2b40$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:44:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2006 16:47:06.0020 (UTC) FILETIME=[637A6E40:01C6662C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A5E2E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No they were speaking a dialect from that time. It is suppose to be the same language Jesus spoke. I can't think of what it is called rigght now. But it isn't pict or galic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > ROTFLMAO!!! > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > >> >> In a message dated 4/22/2006 12:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: >> >> No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film >> >> >> ************ >> >> "The Passion of the Christ"????? >> >> Weren't they speaking Pict? >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 13:03:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MH3nf9009049 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:03:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MH3fSR022736; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:03:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MH3QE3061657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MH3Ou3090820; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MH3LkU090741 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.27a.863615c (39329) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <27a.863615c.317bbbce@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:03:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:03:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A61ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/2006 12:48:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: No they were speaking a dialect from that time. It is suppose to be the same language Jesus spoke. I can't think of what it is called rigght now. But it isn't pict or galic. *************** Aramaic. and the Romans spoke Latin. How CLEVER of Mel!!!! NOT! a pretentious, ugly film as shallow as a teaspoon. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 13:14:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHE3c9009809 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:14:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MHDtrK025254; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:13:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHDCPx063032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHDBOb097484; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHD8Q9097391 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IY4000SHVTOF840@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:12:57 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: Center strip on Eleonora's gowns (WasRE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review) In-reply-to: <20060422120014.7pltdwlpckksk8g8@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:13:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A6453.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Pink gown is by Bronzino and supposed to be Eleonora's "wedding" gown-- the dress in which she made her formal entrance into Florence. Florentines liked color and probably would not have liked the black gown she wore when she landed in Pisa... The dress in which she was buried in, was a solid satin, not the patterned dress in black gold and white (silver?). Her burial dress was something that she had worn before, and was not especially made for her to wear in her coffin. Remember, she died in Pisa, in December 1562, was not embalmed after she died, was transported to Florence and was buried. They probably dressed her in a hurry (ugh), because of the state of her body. You might be thinking of the red gown that was on display in Memphis last year. It was found in Pisa on a statue of the BVMary, at/near the convent/church that Eleonora had endowed... http://www.wonders.org/masters8.htm The dresses worn by Eleonora in her Bronzino portraits usually don't have that center strip down the CF. You can surmise that is there from the pictures where she wears a zimarra (surcoat). Where you do see the strip come from the hands of copyists, or students of Bronzino or from his workshop-- not from the master himself. The Alorri portrait in Francisco's Studiolo is posthumous. The standing color style looks to be to late to actually be worn by Eleonora. Regards- Monica Spence (SCA: Catriona MacDuff) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 12:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Quoting Sue Clemenger : > Truly? I've seen a couple of books and museums claim that, but it's always > the wrong dress. Which painting are you referring to? > --Sue (16th century geek ;o) I believe that it's this painting (and I can't remember if it's a Bronzino or an Allori) http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo4.jpg Well, drat -- no it's not. There's no trim up the center-front. *sigh* That's the one that I was thinking of anyway. *sigh* Susan >> >> Another earlier example is the Eleanor of Toledo "burial dress" -- she >> also wore it when she was alive and was painted in this gown at least >> once (so you can't say it was pieced because she was buried in it) >> > http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/EleanoraBurialDress-150.jpg > > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 13:43:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHhtl9011526 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:43:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MHhlxx000642; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:43:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHhXnB066680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:43:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHhUsO018081; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta08.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MHhQ4d018037 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Joannah@sluggy.net) Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta08.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB72C40246 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:43:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060422104325.BB2EE17A@resin06.mta.everyone.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 10:43:25 -0700 From: "Joannah Hansen" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source X-Eon-Sig: AQGRWS5ESms9yGqPAgEAAAAB,0b70abb18a3cf5cf4d34033fe93b0ca5 X-Originating-Ip: [220.239.71.202] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:43:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A6B53.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3MIqZWP063636 Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A7BC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:30 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <026801c66596$8e35d430$9400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shiny! =} > > Ob costume comment--Inara has some pretty darn spiffy outfits, and I made my > husband a suede browncoat. Fellow "browncoat" here! Probably a better question for the f-costume list, but seeing as you brought it up: What pattern (if any) did you use for your husband's browncoat? I'm toying with making Zoey's outfit. > > -E House Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 14:55:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MItQUK015240 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:55:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MItIGo028835; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:55:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MIswGE074077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:54:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MIswxn064978; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:54:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MIsr5N064919 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D0FE9FAC010 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:54:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002701c6663e$495e4c40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060422104325.BB2EE17A@resin06.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:55:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:55:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A7C16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This reminds me. I am apun my 3rd. steam iron. And each and every one of them had the problem with the button where you turn on or off for the steam. Seams that the plastic is glued to the button, and the steam destroys the glue, so that the button after some time gets useless. Anyone having the same problems? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joannah Hansen" To: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source > < > <--- suzi@suziclarke.co.uk wrote: > < > <(which is more than I do!) > < > > Sorry, I can't help for a US source, but thank-you for the opinion about > the Tefal steam iron - I've been eyeing them off over here in Australia. > One day....... > > I just went looking and found this link - > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008ZPN6/102-6325019-4567367?v=glance&n=284507 > > DeLonghi also make one which I presume ( from their website ) is available > in the US, but their website was less than helpful fro getting details. > > Joannah. > > ~*~ Practice random acts of kindness, and senseless acts of beauty. ~*~ > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Sluggy.Net: The Sluggy Freelance Community! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 15:08:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJ8whI015767 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:08:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MJ8o0h023016; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJ8Y9b075304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJ82EJ074176; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueuea.post.tele.dk (pqueuea.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJ637A073080 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by pqueuea.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id F219C376BFC for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:05:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5578.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.120]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 84679A50020 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:05:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002b01c6663f$d03e8990$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:06:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] mens 1770ies jackets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A7F42.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I have a danish pattern of a mans suit from the 1770ies. This is cut rather special, as it has a horisontal cut in the waistlevel. I have not seen this, untill lately i saw a similar jacket in Nordiska Museet in Stockholm. It was cut excactly the same way. My sources for english jackets, only comes from the available pattern cuts from the books. Has any english seen similar cuts used in german, or english, french jackets, or would this only be a regional style? Jacket looks the same, but the cut is unusual. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 15:14:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJEQG4016396 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:14:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MJEHCj024516; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:14:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJDZAq075736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJDX8i077903; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:13:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MJDMSb077825 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=ik/ZaCfCFOncvAM5NqETDqZvZA9qnaIEPMC1fJfx9ylv2fMorU3pDuy0uHora+05; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.110.36] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXNXm-00022C-5d for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:13:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1063.67.174.246.110.1145718853.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> References: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> <1063.67.174.246.110.1145718853.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:22:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ce9033cf1cfba46fe89f78c7d89511504350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.110.36 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 15:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444A8089.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wrote a bit on this problem awhile back that I should probably add to the articles available on my webpage. But I'll post it here as well. WHEN COLORS RUN Quilters, who sew little bits of wildly different colored fabrics together a lot , have LOTS of problems with fabric dyes running when they shouldn't. Here are the bits of condensed wisdom that I gathered in my quilting days and that I now swear by when I have these problems. First, I've heard fabric manufacturers say that most modern fabric dyes are designed to be washed in _warm_ water, and may be de-stabilized if they are washed in water that's too hot -- even once. (I'm not very good about this -- I tend to toss things in "hot" to be sure they have shrunk all they are going to before I cut into them.) A lot of people use salt and/or vinegar to "set" dye in fabric, but there are now much better things to use. The people I know who do a lot of dyeing say that vinegar and/or salt treatments *do* allow you the comfort of feeling you are doing *something* -- and besides, they're cheap and you probably have them around the house already -- but they have very little effect on the dye. The advice to use salt or vinegar arose in the first place from a misunderstanding. Certain dyes need an acid environment (the vinegar) or a higher salt concentration when you are _FIRST_ applying the dye, in order to make it attach properly to the fibers. However adding these substances _later_ does no good, because the other conditions for getting the dye to attach are no longer present (lots of excess dye, heat, presence of mordants, etc.) For problems with color "bleeding" or "running," I use a mild detergent called SYNTHROPOL that's used for washing fabric before dyeing to help remove sizing. It *also* will remove any "loose" dye that is not firmly bound to the fibers, and it is definitely the first thing to use on anything light colored that something else has "run" onto. It's often available from art stores that carry supplies for fabric painting, dyeing et cetera. I've bought a half-pint bottle in my local art supply store for around $5, and it only takes a couple of tablespoons per wash. Conversely, to "set" color, there is now a substance called *Retayne*, which seems to do a considerably better job at it than home remedies. There are small amounts of it -- or of something similar -- in Cheer detergent ("with ColorGuard") and possibly others. After you have removed any excess dye with Synthropol, this is a good thing to use on many washable fabrics, because unlike vinegar and salt, it really *does* increase the stability of dye that is in the places you _want_ it to be. Rit Dye company has also packaged up both of these in packets containing about 2 Tablespoons (enough for 1 laundry load) and sells them for something like $3.50 per packet. The Synthropol is called "Run-Away" and the Retayne is called something I can't remember at the moment. These overpriced versions are better than nothing, and they're available this way in lots of fabric stores, but if you do much dyeing it's well worth searching out a better deal on price. Dharma Trading Co. carries both of these chemicals at much less expensive prices -- 4 ounces for less than the price of one package of the Rit version. (All the usual disclaimers apply -- test on a scrap of fabric first, et cetera.) * * * * * * * * There's one more thing. If you have a white item that color has accidentally run onto, and if bleaching and/or the things listed above haven't worked -- if you're willing to give it one more try, look for a substance called COLOR REMOVER. If you read the label, it will list an ingredient called "hyposulfite." Run a sink full of VERY HOT water, put a little of this powder in (start with about a teaspoonful), mix well, and dip your item in. If nothing whatever has happened after a minute or so, take your item out, add another teaspoon of powder, and try again. If this is going to work, it usually starts to work right away. (Usually one box or packet of this stuff is designed to do one full wash load, so use your judgement on how much of it to add.) This is a type of bleach that the Edwardians used to use on all their whitest white lacy things, and like any bleach, unfortunately it does have a weakening effect on the fabric if used repeatedly -- it's why vintage laces and sheers sometimes sadly just disintegrate the first time you put them in water. Don't leave anything you care about in this stuff for more than about fifteen minutes -- if it's going to work at all, that will usually do it -- and be sure to rinse THOROUGHLY. But it *can* work miracles: I managed to save a bread cloth bordered in blackwork embroidery that a friend of mine did, when she bordered it with a commercial black binding that ran. There was *some* color loss from the black silk embroidery thread, which became a dark brownish black in places, but the item as a whole looked fine and was usable. Hope these things help. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 19:40:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MNenxX029389 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:40:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3MNeeZj000460; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:40:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MNeJOd099810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MNe6PE048235; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MNe1cL048174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:14446 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FXRhx-00029s-Nt for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:40:11 -0500 Message-ID: <02d901c66666$130c2c20$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190604221152r5ceb69a2t57d18e64fd0cecf3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:39:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:40:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444ABEF8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" > Fellow "browncoat" here! Probably a better question for the f-costume > list, but seeing as you brought it up: > > What pattern (if any) did you use for your husband's browncoat? I'm > toying with making Zoey's outfit. Yay, more browncoats! (And oh yeah, I'd forgotten there was an f-costume--I should subscribe to that.) I'm afraid I made my own pattern... couldn't find any that worked right. The closest I saw was the Simplicity Matrix coat pattern (5386) but it would have needed so much alteration that I decided not to bother. The basic construction is a single left & right panel on the front, shaped side seams with slits starting about hip level, three shaped panels at the back below a yoke, a tuxedo collar, and wide cuffed sleeves with the seam along the back of the arm. If you buy about 5 different patterns, you could probably put them all together and get something, but oww! Here's pics, btw: http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/malcoatfront.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/malcoatback.jpg (looks a lot more rumpled in the photos, for some reason!) I made the mistake of using suede that was waaaaaaaaay too thick, and still haven't found the right clasp/buckle thingies for the front of it, grumble. Are you thinking of the neat leather vest thingy Zoey wears? Sounds like fun! I've been meaning to make the duster she wears in "Train Job" (while actually on the train) for a while, but haven't gotten around to it yet... I should do that someday. -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 21:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1N5xi000342 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:23:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N1MvJ5001898; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1MRlk008494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1MO0Z014204; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1MLCw014164 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A59A250422; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:17:14 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:22:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c66674$5d72ec50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b301c6661f$022471c0$e9bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO "Braveheart" SharonC., who says "Macbeth" backstage too, and doesn't spit, turn around, go out and come back in, etc. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale I'm not seeing "snarking" at all. Sheesh, chill, huh?.... --Sue, who's not quite figured out which "Movie That Shall Not Be Named" people are referring to..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > Jesus folks .. the snarking really needs to end. Sigh. > > > On Fri, April 21, 2006 3:22 pm, Dianne & Greg Stucki said: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon L. Krossa" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > > > > >> So anachronism, especially deliberate anachronism, in movies is > >> fine with me as long as the movie isn't trying to fool people into > >> believing it isn't anachronism -- I'll take A Knight's Tale and > >> Shakespeare In Love over Elizabeth or That Film Whose Name Shall > >> Not > >> Be Uttered any day! > >> > >> Sharon > > > > > > lol...I have never yet seen That Movie. And I have no desire to do > > so! > > > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 21:24:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1OEg8000388 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:24:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N1O6ni002235; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:24:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1Nrt5008750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:23:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1NrcK015272; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:23:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1NnHk015222 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5F16AD03D2; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:18:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:23:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c66674$9137f1c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1063.67.174.246.110.1145718853.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I've used it and had luck with it, but it weakens fabric (it says). Try acetone first. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white > linen that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has > blue black stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. Rit makes something called "color remover". I haven't used it myself but it may help your linen. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 22 21:25:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1PiSI000428 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:25:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N1PaVa002667; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1POir008926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1PNLd016217; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N1PK4D016183 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A64E650037E; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:20:14 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:25:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c66674$c874b8d0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Aramaic? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:45 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale No they were speaking a dialect from that time. It is suppose to be the same language Jesus spoke. I can't think of what it is called rigght now. But it isn't pict or galic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > ROTFLMAO!!! > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:07 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > >> >> In a message dated 4/22/2006 12:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: >> >> No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film >> >> >> ************ >> >> "The Passion of the Christ"????? >> >> Weren't they speaking Pict? >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 00:00:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N40bTc005686 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:00:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N40Tad031761; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N409cq024498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N401oK015704; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N3xvEk015662 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3N3xrag008936 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:59:54 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N3xmJR195778 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:59:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060422205940.02660648@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:59:43 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:00:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444AFBDD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm looking for a pattern for fall front trousers suitable for 1812 American Naval wear. A shell jacket pattern would be good too, but I think I can fake it. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 00:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N4lPxN007423 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:47:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N4lHWd016554; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N4l1VV028710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N4l0Zl046552; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3N4ktfB046394 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 65886 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 04:46:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2006 04:46:49 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060423054211.01e0e408@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:46:52 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060422205940.02660648@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20060422205940.02660648@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444B06D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:59 23/04/2006, you wrote: >I'm looking for a pattern for fall front trousers suitable for 1812 >American Naval wear. A shell jacket pattern would be good too, but >I think I can fake it. > > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ There are fall front breeches patterns in "Cut of Men's Clothes" by Norah Waugh, and in "Men's 17th and 18th Century Costume" by R.I. Davis, that you could adapt. Also "Fitting and Proper" and/or "Costume Close Up". The way the fall is made is the same for a great many years. (I've an idea one of the Victorian men's pattern books - at the turn of the 19th century - uses virtually the same pattern. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 01:14:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N5ENKQ008394 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:14:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N5EFLZ024818; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:14:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N5DPUH030790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N5DDdJ060794; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N5D6JI060738 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 23:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3N5DABd001581 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:13:10 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N5D0xk059288 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:13:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:11:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. In-Reply-To: <008b01c66612$c20834c0$915083d1@rmitchellras> References: <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:14:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 444B0D27.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Carolyn, I have a pair of trousers from the first quarter 19th C and they >are constructed pretty much the same as the LongFall of the ...Eagle pattern >that included knickers. The two major differences are the width of the >waist band and the back omits the capacious seat and gusset. No pockets, but >the from is cut full enough to accommodate them. There are buttons for >straps or suspenders. Basically, the naval trou still being used through >the 1940's. The 1840s is kind of late for what I'm doing. I need that baggy seat, to cover my anatomy and to 'read' early, and I need the resultant trousers to stay up without suspenders. Does the Eagle pattern do that? Is it a good pattern otherwise? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 04:56:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N8upsR024405 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:56:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N8ugvH028059; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:56:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N8uOxM050884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N8uL0D086588; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N8uHxl086546 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=LVRXg2+v5ORQccl1ifiUlh2SNtfNldA3yeejWoLHhUxy1Br/rY8pVszH3XsdyDZg; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.228.225.37] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXaO7-0002k0-Mm for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:56:16 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22006402385616859@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 01:56:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a8fedfefcc01012c8552dfda5ad7be4d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.228.225.37 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 04:56:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B414A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Love it!! I'm currently working on one of Inara's outfits. Silvara > [Original Message] > From: A. Thurman > To: > Cc: > Date: 4/22/2006 11:54:51 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat > > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:30 -0500 > > From: "E House" > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Message-ID: <026801c66596$8e35d430$9400a8c0@compaqub> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=original > > > > Shiny! =} > > > > Ob costume comment--Inara has some pretty darn spiffy outfits, and I made my > > husband a suede browncoat. > > Fellow "browncoat" here! Probably a better question for the f-costume > list, but seeing as you brought it up: > > What pattern (if any) did you use for your husband's browncoat? I'm > toying with making Zoey's outfit. > > > > -E House > > Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 05:20:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N9K4UH024957 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:20:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3N9Ju2P010291; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:19:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N9Jheh052830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N9JgvZ099675; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N9JePJ099657 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aviendiora@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 12so739149nzp for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:19:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=elZ8qOhS/MJgGJ6b/6z7EkfGjIdHs2iKasf8ABJbPTvb/jn7NLeaLYEWPAW65bcV8in1g2zTnKSrXKdGlzhkUS3sa+TJGR47SPga0SPDeSjCVNntw4MhCxwosoCDI3dp6GRrV4Eo6L9jI3OERGZIOL1c4E9gRKdALLyFZzgGf4A= Received: by 10.36.220.65 with SMTP id s65mr5145826nzg; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.158.4 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:19:40 -0700 From: Avien To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat In-Reply-To: <410-22006402385616859@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <410-22006402385616859@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:19:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B46BC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3N9K4UH024957 Status: RO Hehe! I've made my husband a browncoat, Mal's suit from Shindig, and several Wash-style Hawaiian shirts. For me, I am mostly a Kaylee person having made the jumpsuit and fluffy dress. I've done one Inara - the gold and black one from Serenity, and working on several more this year. So much fun and I love seeing pics of other people doing Firefly costumes. I love the browncoat posted! It looks great! I can't provide any help with the pattern either, I completely drafted it but it was really easy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 07:50:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NBoUQk004390 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:50:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NBoLGk012336; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:50:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NBnwnP063791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NBnuf6085600; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NBnob1085468 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:49:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A9D701E4; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:49:43 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.158 ([209.131.80.158] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 23 Apr 2006 07:49:30 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c666cc$5c2f40c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:52:10 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:50:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B69FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I guess you misunderstood me about the date. The pattern is about 1780's. As Suzi has suggested, the basic FullFall pattern was well established the last quarter of the 18thC and the long version continued in use for about 100 years until the slim style came into vogue. If you use the ...Eagle pattern as it is presented, you will have the style you are seeking. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. > > >Carolyn, I have a pair of trousers from the first quarter 19th C and they > >are constructed pretty much the same as the LongFall of the ...Eagle pattern > >that included knickers. The two major differences are the width of the > >waist band and the back omits the capacious seat and gusset. No pockets, but > >the from is cut full enough to accommodate them. There are buttons for > >straps or suspenders. Basically, the naval trou still being used through > >the 1940's. > > The 1840s is kind of late for what I'm doing. I need that baggy seat, to > cover my anatomy and to 'read' early, and I need the resultant trousers to > stay up without suspenders. Does the Eagle pattern do that? Is it a good > pattern otherwise? > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 09:22:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NDM9gE007912 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:22:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NDM0xd016589; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NDGSUe086269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NDGLZY039449; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav12.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NDGHr9039408 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:16:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 06:16:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:16:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-22006402385616859@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:14:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2006 13:16:16.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A44E690:01C666D8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B7F78.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is a "browncoat" something more than just a brown coat? Like a British Redcost? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avien" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat Hehe! I've made my husband a browncoat, Mal's suit from Shindig, and several Wash-style Hawaiian shirts. For me, I am mostly a Kaylee person having made the jumpsuit and fluffy dress. I've done one Inara - the gold and black one from Serenity, and working on several more this year. So much fun and I love seeing pics of other people doing Firefly costumes. I love the browncoat posted! It looks great! I can't provide any help with the pattern either, I completely drafted it but it was really easy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFTo9v012803 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFTg1q022484; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:29:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFTDTd000713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFT4Qv025514; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:29:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFT1ZZ025467 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B659CA5509 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:29:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <444B9D57.1000307@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:29:27 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. References: <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B9D66.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > The 1840s is kind of late for what I'm doing. I need that baggy seat, > to cover my anatomy and to 'read' early, and I need the resultant > trousers to stay up without suspenders. Simplicity 4923 is fall-front with a baggy seat and does not use suspenders. It is taken from 'Cut of Men's Clothes' diagram XXII. The book dates it ~1760-65, but it does meet the design requirements you have. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:31:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFV2PV012854 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:31:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFUsOS008745; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:30:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFUiY8000901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFUgXT026621; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFUdEB026566 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200EFA5509 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:30:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <444B9DBA.1030609@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:31:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat References: <410-22006402385616859@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:30:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B9DAE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: > Is a "browncoat" something more than just a brown coat? Like a British > Redcost? Yes, in the movie that was the nickname for the separatist/rebellion fighters, because of the long brown leather coats they wore. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:38:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFc9wI013736 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:38:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFc1jh029940; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:38:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFbXFp001916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFbWsv031178; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFbRY4031131 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:37:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3NFaebi023263 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:36:42 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFb6c0078822 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:37:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060423083004.025b3b80@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:31:14 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. In-Reply-To: <002101c666cc$5c2f40c0$9e5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:38:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444B9F59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I guess you misunderstood me about the date. I guess I did. I thought you were talking about an existing pair of trousers from the first quarter of the 19thC. I couldn't find the Eagle pattern online, to compare with. > The pattern is about 1780's. >As Suzi has suggested, the basic FullFall pattern was well established the >last quarter of the 18thC and the long version continued in use for about >100 years until the slim style came into vogue. If you use the ...Eagle >pattern as it is presented, you will have the style you are seeking. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 1:11 AM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. > > > > > > >Carolyn, I have a pair of trousers from the first quarter 19th C and they > > >are constructed pretty much the same as the LongFall of the ...Eagle >pattern > > >that included knickers. The two major differences are the width of the > > >waist band and the back omits the capacious seat and gusset. No pockets, >but > > >the from is cut full enough to accommodate them. There are buttons for > > >straps or suspenders. Basically, the naval trou still being used through > > >the 1940's. > > > > The 1840s is kind of late for what I'm doing. I need that baggy seat, to > > cover my anatomy and to 'read' early, and I need the resultant trousers to > > stay up without suspenders. Does the Eagle pattern do that? Is it a good > > pattern otherwise? > > > > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > > www.FunStuft.com > > > > ///\\\\\ > > ////-@@\\\ > > (((( 7 ))) > > )(( <> ))( > > * ) ( * > > /----\ /---\ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:46:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFkSs6014124 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFkKB7004560; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFjtu4002945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFjrHX036907; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MIqZWD063635 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z74so734929pyg for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FwL+6zqNSF+7K8FZDROQSNkEBFYVXfm7/gsew+Yy+bvNI9De9CNkvhTEj/7AoxNqfCNnMIhPTLDHBCieVPlDXpIhyJRIKG5YxEnfLIzx1Ul6jcIKzk23D7wGF48h0Y5dG7a9mO/L5nwm+X9QKr1w+J8pj8C2wbt81IIWSsRLn0A= Received: by 10.35.123.2 with SMTP id a2mr52087pyn; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.19.9 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190604221152r5ceb69a2t57d18e64fd0cecf3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:52:34 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3MIqZWD063635 Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:46:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA14C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:54:30 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <026801c66596$8e35d430$9400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Shiny! =} > > Ob costume comment--Inara has some pretty darn spiffy outfits, and I made my > husband a suede browncoat. Fellow "browncoat" here! Probably a better question for the f-costume list, but seeing as you brought it up: What pattern (if any) did you use for your husband's browncoat? I'm toying with making Zoey's outfit. > > -E House Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:46:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFkSqo014125 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFkKed011786; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:46:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFkBrf003010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFkARK037124; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-2.paradise.net.nz (bm-2a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3MK134H007605 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-2.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IY500CZQ3L74S@linda-2.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:00:43 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-24-230.paradise.net.nz [210.246.24.230]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436BAAFDF8A for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:00:42 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:00:42 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen In-reply-to: <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <444A8B6A.3070807@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) References: <003401c664c1$ea8e7c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002c01c6660c$e90530b0$0300a8c0@wendy> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:46:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA14C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gwen wrote: > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white > linen that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has > blue black stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. > Try an oxygen-based bleach. If that doesn't do it, chlorine bleach. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:47:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFl70o014142 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFkxTn029067; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFknPA003148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFknNc037747; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N10t2g000823 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:00:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A094184C001E; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:55:48 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:00:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c66671$5eca4650$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060422095459.l3m6372dz4w8ks00@www.goldsword.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO A cheap remover for marker is acetone. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen Quoting Gwen : > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white > linen that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has > blue black stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. > From another list ... ----- Forwarded message from jen@verybigdesign.com ----- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:25:45 -0400 From: jen funk segrest Reply-To: sca-bead@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sca-bead] Got a stain on your garb? To: App list list , sca-middle@midrealm.org, spot@midrealm.org, BaronyFenix@yahoogroups.com, famdamily@yahoogroups.com, hawkes-keye@yahoogroups.com, sca-bead@yahoogroups.com I did. I was showing someone at RUM a few weeks ago how to do viking wire knitting and the pen I was using as a mandrel had the cap off and garb beneath had a HUGE permanent ink marker stain. All the way through two dresses to my skin. I had washed the viking apron, it's old I wasn't out anything, and taken alcohol to it to vainly try to get it out (don't use that I found out). The large dime sized black dot on the front right above the belt line on my grey herolfnes underdress was the worst, it's my main piece of garb right now. I wisely hadn't washed since it happened, but had taken some alcohol to the smaller spots. I knew washing could set in stains so I let it alone. it's been sitting in my hamper since while I researched some options. I found this stuff recommended on the Sharpie marker site called Amodex. http://www.amodexink.com/ A quick google search found me several places that had it and I ordered a 1oz bottle. It came today. It claims to remove ink of all kinds, grease, food, berry, blood, the works. Basically if it's a stain it'll take it out on ANY fabric or surface. I have to say this crap works. At least on permanent marker on fabric! WOW! It's very much like a dishwashing liquid in appearance an consistancy, it comes with a brush. I could see each successive application of a few drops and rubbing working by the spot underneath go from a bloody yellow to yellow to a beige to barely anything at all. Took about a half hour and over a dozen applications of the liquid but by the end I had a hard time spotting the I was working on. And it took out the smaller ones. It also, though, removed most of the stain on my viking apron as well, and it had been washed before. but the results are not NEARLY as impressive as the unwashed dress. After the washing I just put the dresses in for I expect it to be nearly invisible on the grey dress. Definitely wearable without being under another dress even. Just wanted to pass on a good product we probably will all need at some point. I have a ton left (probably only used a tablespoon's worth) and happy to have it in case of a future incident. If anyone wants the link to buy where i got it from email me. You can also order some direct from the manufacturer in larger and travel sizes. I highly suggest buying one before you need it. I wish I'd found it years ago. griz This email is allowed to be: [x] Shared [x] Forwarded [ ] Used as documentation [x] Tattoed on butt in 72 point Times New Roman Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:47:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlMmj014158 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFlE5d005676; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFl30n003204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFl3PN037963; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N27Utp046755 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.127.154.123]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IY500H77KJT5DM4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:07:28 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: <200604230125.k3N1POfM016228@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <444AE160.4040301@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200604230125.k3N1POfM016228@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Smithsonian's National Museum of American History X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA182.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's occurred to me that I'd forgotten to make sure I mentioned this on this list. For any of you who have been planning to visit the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History, where the First Ladies' dresses are (and right now a suit of Benjamin Franklin's has been on display for a while as well) as well as a number of Presidential clothing pieces, and I believe a few odds and ends in other exhibits as well... The NMAH is going to be closing for a few years' worth of rennovations right after Labor Day (first Monday in September, for those non-US folks here). Also, a number of exhibits will be closing by sometime in July. The FAQs are here: http://americanhistory.si.edu/about/faq.cfm?key=55&faqkey=96 (oh, and while I *hope* *hope* *hope* that the rennovations will stay on schedule, one only has to look over at the Portrait Gallery to see that sometimes they don't manage to... so come one, come all and check it out while you can... I doubt that it'd be shorter than the 2 year time span that we've been told.) Hmm... speaking of the National Portrait Gallery... for those of you into American historical costuming, it's scheduled to re-open this summer. July is the date being given. -Elisabeth (I've been a docent there in several of their programs for a number of years now... and yes, I'm keeping track so I can go play there some more when it re-opens, and there *may* be related things for me to do docent-y type-wise while they're closed... we'll see) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:47:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlvcf014178 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFlno8006738; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlTm7003262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlSr5038333; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N2LkBp055420 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IY500J8UL7Z70QG@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:21:31 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen In-reply-to: <001601c66674$9137f1c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA1A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What about a diluted solution of chlorine bleach? That always works on whites for me. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sharon at Collierfam.com Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:24 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen I've used it and had luck with it, but it weakens fabric (it says). Try acetone first. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:14 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen > I've read all the posts about the mouldy linen but what about a white > linen that dye has bled into? I have heavy white linen and it has > blue black stains on it from another fabric that was touching it. Rit makes something called "color remover". I haven't used it myself but it may help your linen. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:48:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFm0sB014179 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:48:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFlqHd005735; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlg6Q003318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlfbO038501; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3N3jhJN007472 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 4275 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2006 03:45:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gMSbWtNbHVrNhtouyUYXOF2yiRzrbYOFbuXPtBHk23ezY0H5v3biscOyR95qxi59x6qz3QbSTPUnd4v+was0eKRS1qV0ly8oo1t4BET+TV4pfJTWwMrz7G38JMHJUmfaK2qbJ926MtiLcT0ecjn2CysPN0ssnhJVGtzbCiIEMaE= ; Message-ID: <20060423034538.4273.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.173.206.140] by web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:45:38 EST Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:45:38 +1000 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: Center strip on Eleonora's gowns (WasRE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review) To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA1A8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO monica spence wrote: >>>>>The dresses worn by Eleonora in her Bronzino portraits usually don't have that center strip down the CF. You can surmise that is there from the pictures where she wears a zimarra (surcoat). Where you do see the strip come from the hands of copyists, or students of Bronzino or from his workshop-- not from the master himself.<<<< I believe this one is stated to be by the master himself... http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45823+0+0 Just thinking out loud here - perhaps the centre-front strip owes its existance more to a then current fashion (1550s-1560s I mean) for decorating bodices of plain fabric (as opposed to figured fabric), than to a copyist/school of Bronzino. There are very few images of Eleonora. Of those of her in a non-figured fabric, the above image (1560s, by Bronzino himself) shows a centre-front strip of embroidery, and only one of her (the pink one by Bronzino) which does not show it is dated from the 1540s... http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Angelo_Bronzino_040.jpg So perhaps it is rather the date of the portrait which explains why "the dresses worn by Eleonora in her Bronzino portraits usually don't have that center strip down the CF". As for evidence from the 1550s-1560s centre-front strip of embroidery/embellishment, I can only think of one earlier image (from Bergamo rather than Florence) of the 1550s that features a centre-front strip, albeit in a fan-shaped rather than T-shaped bodice embellishment.... http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/IsottaBrembatiGrumelli.jpg I'm sure there must be others out there. As to the extant item posted earlier (the one laid out flat post conservation), it is, as I understand it, the very same one Janet Arnold examined and discussed in Patterns of Fashion, which was indeed the burial garment of Eleonora de Toledo. It too has a centre-front strip of embroidery. Bella Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 11:48:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFm2bG014185 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:48:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NFlsnd012050; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlBHi003229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NFlBgL038087; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav3.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3N29ecS048162 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 19:09:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 02:09:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c66674$c874b8d0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:07:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Apr 2006 02:09:36.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[F84061D0:01C6667A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:47:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA1AA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes that's it. I couldn't rmember the term. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > Aramaic? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Becky > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:45 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > > No they were speaking a dialect from that time. It is suppose to be the > same > > language Jesus spoke. I can't think of what it is called rigght now. But > it > isn't pict or galic. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale > > >> ROTFLMAO!!! >> --Sue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale >> >> >>> >>> In a message dated 4/22/2006 12:45:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: >>> >>> No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film >>> >>> >>> ************ >>> >>> "The Passion of the Christ"????? >>> >>> Weren't they speaking Pict? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 12:01:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NG1q7D015589 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:01:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NG1iY1017887; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NG1O2n004615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NG1NpI047880; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NG1JB0047836 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3NG1Eag027427 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:01:15 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NG15Jk047328 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:01:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060423084048.0272de78@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 08:43:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. In-Reply-To: <444B9D57.1000307@reddawn.net> References: <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20060422030047.025912a0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20060422220859.00bdcf90@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA4E8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>The 1840s is kind of late for what I'm doing. I need that baggy seat, to >>cover my anatomy and to 'read' early, and I need the resultant trousers >>to stay up without suspenders. > >Simplicity 4923 is fall-front with a baggy seat and does not use >suspenders. It is taken from 'Cut of Men's Clothes' diagram XXII. The book >dates it ~1760-65, but it does meet the design requirements you have. The construction of the upper part seems like it would do. I actually need longer trousers, not breeches, but making this pair longer will be a trivial alteration compared to turning a modern fly-front pattern into a fall-front one. Yes, I think it will do nicely. Thank you. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 12:14:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGEoTM016058 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:14:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NGEgVP029217; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:14:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGDBTp005836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGD7wp055983; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGD3Gb055938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.66] (pool180-214.patriot.net [209.249.180.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3NGCm8J001757 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:12:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001501c66674$5d72ec50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <001501c66674$5d72ec50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:12:52 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: RE: [h-cost] Knight's Tale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BA7F2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >"Braveheart" >SharonC., who says "Macbeth" backstage too, and doesn't spit, turn around, >go out and come back in, etc. On the Revlist (American Revolution) some people will write *spit* after they mention the movie, The Patriot. It's a testament to Mel that there are such reactions to his movies... Many people on the Revlist were extras in The Patriot, so they had even more personal investment in it. The wore their own repro 18thC uniforms (to keep it costume related!) -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 12:40:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGeNWw018127 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:40:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NGeCY4015676; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:40:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGdigx008546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NGdbfY074510; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3NGdWIp074392 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 18555 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Apr 2006 16:39:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yHC7vKOsve+RTY/wGMgQDe0KideOkhYJtn4eVcTH9AdM3nsc3L0XrJsAbpLUL4KbjxClirjHEHfKY6Fs7Zu0uo3uSmUsmewofQ9CKMZp49xIj3PN/jNmN3g0AFRKjFfvQS/WTiO0X/xXyfDrF+qqELYv1/Cytbwi18JajgpxK3E= ; Message-ID: <20060423163926.18553.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.13.195] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:39:26 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Help - underlay dilema X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BADEC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Help!!!!!!! - I washed the wool crepe for my son's new garb, as suggested - in cold water and air dried. The gold for the doublet and slop panes came out fine, but the burgundy for the slop underlay has turned out looking like a fuzzy wool blanket!!! Now what do I do? I don't have time to reorder fabric and the JoAnn's here doesn't have any wool at all. Is it kosher to use something else besides wool? Please remember this is my first time doing historically accurate and it is more daunting than I had expected. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 13:25:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NHP3Mq020181 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:25:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NHOtlX012749; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:24:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NHOS1l012951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NHOQsr005339; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NHOM7L005282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:21047 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FXiJv-0004YG-Cm for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <035e01c666fa$c4151150$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-22006402385616859@earthlink.net> <444B9DBA.1030609@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:24:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:24:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BB867.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > Yes, in the movie that was the nickname for the separatist/rebellion > fighters, because of the long brown leather coats they wore. It's also turned into the nickname for fans of Firefly/Serenity... there are Browncoat Balls, and there's a Browncoat charity organization (donating coats, oddly enough =} ) and so on. But you know, in the series pilot (also called Serenity), the Browncoat soldiers were wearing something a lot more like Zoe's coat from Train Job.... I need to go back and do some more freeze-framing! Mal's version of the coat is irresistable, but it would be neat to make one that looks as much like the 'real' brown coat as possible. -E House (OK, this DOES tie into historical costume, because if I can find some pre-1600 garment that looks even vaguely like a browncoat, my husband will wear it and attend SCA events with me!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 14:03:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NI2xKl022096 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:03:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NI2pcp008407; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:02:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NI2Mut017036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NI2JXk032058; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NI2FGt032010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 12:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9228ED43D8; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681EDD413D for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:02:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:01:44 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c66700$0dbb56c0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200604231537.k3NFbfv6031301@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3NI2FGt032010 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:fall front trousers, etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:02:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BC14B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Carolyn, What you're looking for can easily be found in the following two or three patterns, all by Kannik's Korner, historically accurate with excellent engineering, historical and sewing notes, all of which we carry, and can be viewed, and purchased, at: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_17.html : KK4303 Man's Trousers, 1790-1810 KK4304 Outer Breeches-Slops 1750-1820 KK4551 Men's double-breasted Short Jacket Hope you find this of some assistance. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org 5.. (Carolyn Kayta Barrows) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 15:31:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NJVweN026597 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:31:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NJVoW1001555; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:31:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NJVLBS024378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NJVI9J092580; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NJVEkD092533 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 08AE936857 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:31:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mouldy linen/dyed linen Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:31:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:31:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BD626.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The problem with bleach is that it likes to eat the fibers. Though one washing shouldn't cause to much problem. RIT has a product that is designed to remove bled in dyes. Try a bit on the spot and then wash it in the product. I have found this works most of the time. If it is actually mold, I have found OxyClean to work. Spot treat and then wash in using more Oxyclean. This works 90% of the time. I had a badly molded cream brocade that I treated and washed 2 times in Oxy. Still have the cream color but not the black splotches. I recommended the Oxy to a person whose canvas tent siding was moldy. The side panels came clean. The canopy has hints of gray. We don't know if it is because the panels were washed in a washer and the canopy wasn't. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 17:27:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRv1G032305 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NLRnvM007826; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRL4A034669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRHFh071707; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRDAl071653 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXm6q-0005ga-Dd for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:22:46 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc93ec2644b50784b84eeec6a9cab86799350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.129.154 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BF155.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 5:53 AM -0400 4/22/06, Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/22/06 6:05:50 AM GMT Daylight Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film. > >ah - but william wallace took York, you know....;-) [For those who don't know -- and there is no reason why most of you should, which is why I take the time to clarify here -- actually, he didn't. And there ain't no way anyone who doesn't already know that can figure it out from the film, where the fantasy William Wallace is shown taking York...] >I actually have one friend (Scottish) who rants for about half an hour every >time it's mentioned - on the basis of how large an insult it is to william >wallace to show him as basically a peasant (given he was actually a lowland >knight, and very well educated). > >And then he starts on the tartan and blue faces.... Nothing wrong with tartan, per se -- just the way the used it! Anyway, the film in question does seem to be especially gratuitously historically inaccurate, but while that makes it particularly annoying to those with an affection for Scottish history, the real issue is not that TFWNSNBU is especially inaccurate, but that *all* films are historically inaccurate, and *no* film is or should be used as a reliable source of pre-modern historical information, yet, alas, many people none-the-less use films as sources of historical information, frequently encouraged by film makers who go to great lengths to persuade people that their films are "true" and "real". Because it doesn't matter if 99% or 50% or only 25% of a film is inaccurate -- unless you are already an expert (and so, by definition, not using the film as a source of your information), you can't tell which bits are made up and which bits are accurate history. Take, as an example of the difficulties of guessing what is and is not historically accurate, A Knight's Tale, recently mentioned. How many of you have assumed that a female smith was one of the film's anachronisms? If you did, you assumed wrong. Whether the movie makers knew it or not (and my guess is that they didn't know it), in Medieval England, at least, there were actually female smiths. What is accurate and what is inaccurate isn't obvious or at all something one can determine by watching the film -- even the film's makers rarely (if ever) know how much, or exactly which bits, of their film is pure fiction vs. historically plausible vs. historical fact. Not to mention that even when film makers do know, their goal is to make their film seemless, so the audience won't know... Which, again, is why I prefer films such as A Knight's Tale and Shakespeare in Love, which include enough truly obvious anachronisms (such as modern rock music, psychiatrist jokes, modern coffee mugs, etc.), and attitude, to essentially scream out "If you use this movie as source of historical information, you're a fool" over movies such as TFWNSNBU, Elizabeth, and Kingdom of Heaven, which go out of their way, both in the film itself and in the promotion of the film, to try to persuade people that the film is historically accurate and real and true and can and should be used as a source of historical information -- that is, instead of screaming "If you use this movie as a source of historical information, you're a fool", they whisper seductively "Honest, really, we're not making this up -- believe us". Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem is when audiences believe what they see in films. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 17:27:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRvYE032304 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NLRnC5032115; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRLJE034672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRIGb071724; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRF6S071679 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXm6s-0005ga-ME for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:21:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc74dfd4a578479200d9270da7ab023281350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.129.154 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] TFWNSNBU (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BF155.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 9:30 AM -0400 4/22/06, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: >Sharon wrote: > > > No, the other Mel Gibson Scottish film. > >I always thought The Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered was the one with >the title ending "Prince of Thieves." > >Around here, anyway. > >Sorry if I caused any palpitations by writing even that much of it-- I have always used (and many others have picked it up) "That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered" (aka TFWNSNBU) for Mel Gibson's 1996 film supposedly about William Wallace. It does not surprise me, given that it is a fairly obvious joke, that others use a similar phrase for other films they find particularly objectionable for one reason or another. (I'm a trained Scottish historian, which is why TFWNSNBU gained that designation from me -- not so much due to the film being inaccurate as due to all the people who believe what they see in the film, and, even worse, tell others what they "know" about Scottish history based on what they saw in the film, usually without mentioning their source of "historical" information was a movie, etc.. The film has made necessary a lot of unteaching, which is annoying for many reasons, including that teaching is much more enjoyable than unteaching...) Sharon PS For those who still aren't sure what film I am referring to by "That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered", the actual title is uttered on the web page I mentioned before: -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 17:28:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLSeLF032338 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NLSVQo007041; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:28:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLSBBJ034769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:28:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLS8Nr072250; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLRHhV071705 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXm6v-0005ga-2W for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:27:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <001501c66674$5d72ec50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:19:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. 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Status: RO At 12:12 PM -0400 4/23/06, Carol Kocian wrote: >>"Braveheart" >>SharonC., who says "Macbeth" backstage too, and doesn't spit, turn around, >>go out and come back in, etc. I quite happily say Macbeth, and I don't really care if anyone else says in my presence the name of That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered (though I may spit ;-). I avoid saying the name as an expression of my feelings (which others may or may not share), not superstition. > On the Revlist (American Revolution) some people will write >*spit* after they mention the movie, The Patriot. It's a testament >to Mel that there are such reactions to his movies... I don't find this reaction surprising, given that Mel in particular goes to great lengths to persuade audiences that his "historical" films are accurate, while at the same time not really bothering much with historical accuracy and essentially making the same movie over and over again. The resulting reaction to the supposedly historical films by those who care about history is predictable, and magnified by the popularity of his movies (which increases the numbers who believe the nonsense peddled as truth by Gibson). (The Patriot *spit* and TFWNSNBU are essentially the same plot, which plot borrows a great deal from the plots of various contemporary and futuristic movies Mel has been in. Never mind that the real history he claimed to be portraying doesn't actually fit that plot...) If Mel did not work so hard at selling his movies as accurate, he and his movies would not get the strong reaction they get for being so inaccurate. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 17:45:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLjNG9000543 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:45:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NLjFv9017200; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:45:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLj33W036508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:45:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLj1mJ083642; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:45:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLivA5083581 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXmO0-0006E3-46 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:44:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <322.2c54991.317ad434@aol.com> References: <322.2c54991.317ad434@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:44:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcd105986ed47bdb47c0d5e53d613ef393350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.129.154 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:45:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BF56B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 8:35 PM -0400 4/21/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >Designers often use styles from the whole century all at once without >following the time line. They seem to do this more in the 18th >century than any >other. I don't think they do it more in the 18th century than any other -- I think rather that the fashion time-span they squish together (rather than following the historical time line) in general increases the further removed from our own time period the historical setting is. So, for things set in the late 20th century, the fashions may compress a few years, for the early 20th century they might use styles from a decade or two, for the 19th century they might draw from several decades at once, for they 18th century the whole century, etc. And when the setting is medieval, they throw together styles spanning multiple centuries. There appears to be a similar dynamic when it comes to cultures -- the further back the setting, people tend to be happy to squish together styles from ever more culturally and geographically far-flung places. (Thus, for a movie set in a relatively narrow medieval time and place, you might see styles taken from half a millennium of time and culled from cultures half a world apart...) >Perhaps because the changes aren't a drastic as they are in the 19th >century. Although, I can't tell you how many 1840s and 1850s dresses >get used in Civil War epics! I think it is more that the further back you go, the less people know and so care about the various distinctions. (And even if the costume designer knows, the audience is unlikely to.) A sort of the further away things are from their own experience -- in time or space -- the more it "all looks the same" to them effect. (Which also explains why those who _do_ learn all about a particular historical time/place don't think it all looks the same -- it's no longer far from their experience.) >I once worked for an LA designer who mainly did TV. He and his assistant >were snotty to us hayseeds [they thought] here in NC. His assistant with his >nose in the air gave me a speech on how carefully they had researched and how >the designer was a stickler for accuracy. Then he handed me to alter for the ... >Yeah....a stickler for accuracy alright. > >[For those who's period is not the mid 1800s, all those details >scream....and I mean scream... 1840s] The more I learn about the entertainment industry, the clearer it becomes that "accuracy" is more an advertising buzz-word (used to attract audiences) than something truly pursued. That is, it is far more important to persuasively _claim_ accuracy than to actually _be_ accurate. (I'm know there are exceptions among individuals who work in these industries -- but in the industry as a whole...) Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 17:47:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLlU38000626 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:47:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NLlMFZ002331; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLlCbA036696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NLlBWq085093; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3NLl73R084962 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 12464 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2006 21:47:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qAmCV/7lf+wDKQ1p7YI3uYnsEoYv5x6zjfvdvDmAheCBCRKrCb0xGgBvLlv6H89jcyH+bzAFWrgLzNchVCsJ5Mlstx8wGjp3wAZFOCEscdka5lsdFpXEnHnOYL9GZmFTkAh6HrBZ9mWNqVGjTvK6pTv7GklMgVZU2Roip2nFugQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) 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Status: RO Greetings-- Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > Which, again, is why I prefer films such as A Knight's Tale and > Shakespeare in Love, which include enough truly obvious anachronisms > (such as modern rock music, psychiatrist jokes, modern coffee mugs, > etc.), and attitude, to essentially scream out "If you use this movie > as source of historical information, you're a fool" over movies such > as TFWNSNBU, Elizabeth, and Kingdom of Heaven, which go out of their > way, both in the film itself and in the promotion of the film, to try > to persuade people that the film is historically accurate and real and > true and can and should be used as a source of historical information > -- that is, instead of screaming "If you use this movie as a source of > historical information, you're a fool", they whisper seductively > "Honest, really, we're not making this up -- believe us". The thing that gets me is that the movies in the former category (with the obvious anachronisms) often end up being more accurate and truer to the spirit of the period they are trying to portray than the supposedly "accurate" ones. I enjoyed "Knight's Tale", despite a few clunkers here and there, because there are parts of the whole tourney circuit atmosphere and the way certain things are set up that are dead-on (and I have agreement on this from a historian of medieval tournaments). Both movies also use humour in a way that reveals the past in a way a modern person might understand. One of the best examples of this is perhaps the best King Arthur movie ever made, the immortal "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." The more you know about Arthurian legend and medieval history, the funnier it gets--although it's pretty funny even without a jot of knowledge about either. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 18:18:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMI2aR002313 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:18:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NMHsT4006390; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMGt6k039232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMGh7Q004915; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:16:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMGI9o004769 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.150.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.150]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FXmsI-0006hz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:16:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: References: <322.2c54991.317ad434@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:22:30 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444BFD12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm not now and never was a fan of the TV show "Friends," but it did yield one relevant cultural insight: One of the women was moving in with another one who loved antiques (Phoebe?). The new roommate (Monica?) bought a piece of furniture--an apothecary's chest, I think-- from Pottery Barn, only to learn that her roomie HATED Pottery Barn stuff, with its pseudo-antiquity. So Monica (?) pretended she had bought it at a flea/antiques market at a NYC location she couldn't recall. When asked what period the chest was from, she replied "Yore." I may have the characters wrong (we sometimes watch reruns when we're drifting off to sleep), but I think the dating of the chest was absolutely precise. Most people nowadays (and, I promise you, my college students included) think of time in only a few categories: the future, now, their parents' "day," and "Yore." For many Americans, "Yore" applies especially to anything before the American Revolution, and everything blends together into the look of Yore. That's why hennins, for example, seem to be appropriate headgear for The Merry Wives of Windsor?!?!?! etc. So, yes, I'm absolutely echoing what has already been said here: I just had to share what it's called. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Apr 23, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > At 8:35 PM -0400 4/21/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >> Designers often use styles from the whole century all at once without >> following the time line. They seem to do this more in the 18th >> century than any >> other. > > I don't think they do it more in the 18th century than any other -- I > think rather that the fashion time-span they squish together (rather > than following the historical time line) in general increases the > further removed from our own time period the historical setting is. > So, for things set in the late 20th century, the fashions may compress > a few years, for the early 20th century they might use styles from a > decade or two, for the 19th century they might draw from several > decades at once, for they 18th century the whole century, etc. And > when the setting is medieval, they throw together styles spanning > multiple centuries. > > There appears to be a similar dynamic when it comes to cultures -- the > further back the setting, people tend to be happy to squish together > styles from ever more culturally and geographically far-flung places. > > (Thus, for a movie set in a relatively narrow medieval time and place, > you might see styles taken from half a millennium of time and culled > from cultures half a world apart...) > >> Perhaps because the changes aren't a drastic as they are in the 19th >> century. Although, I can't tell you how many 1840s and 1850s dresses >> get used in Civil War epics! > > I think it is more that the further back you go, the less people know > and so care about the various distinctions. (And even if the costume > designer knows, the audience is unlikely to.) A sort of the further > away things are from their own experience -- in time or space -- the > more it "all looks the same" to them effect. (Which also explains why > those who _do_ learn all about a particular historical time/place > don't think it all looks the same -- it's no longer far from their > experience.) > >> I once worked for an LA designer who mainly did TV. He and his >> assistant >> were snotty to us hayseeds [they thought] here in NC. His assistant >> with his >> nose in the air gave me a speech on how carefully they had researched >> and how >> the designer was a stickler for accuracy. Then he handed me to alter >> for the > ... >> Yeah....a stickler for accuracy alright. >> >> [For those who's period is not the mid 1800s, all those details >> scream....and I mean scream... 1840s] > > The more I learn about the entertainment industry, the clearer it > becomes that "accuracy" is more an advertising buzz-word (used to > attract audiences) than something truly pursued. That is, it is far > more important to persuasively _claim_ accuracy than to actually _be_ > accurate. (I'm know there are exceptions among individuals who work in > these industries -- but in the industry as a whole...) > > Sharon > -- > Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org > Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: > Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 18:35:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMZItZ003335 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:35:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NMZAHa016422; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:35:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMYjKU040638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMYgPV016590; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NMYc0m016534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.23] (209-148-124-23.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3NMYapt021584 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:34:36 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:35:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C011E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem is > when audiences believe what they see in films. On the other hand, the benefit is that films, novels, and other forms of fiction have gotten many people interested in historical subjects who might well not have given them a second thought. Except for getting a passing grade in required American History and History of Civilization courses--and then forgetting almost all the material immediately after finals. Let's face it, history is neither particularly valued nor particularly job-getting in our society. My bet is that most college history professors seeing enthusiastic enrollment increase after a major film for that era is released, waft a mental "Thanks!" to the producers. The reality, also, is that there's absolutely nothing you can do to make the film industry work your way--unless you're a mogul in it. You're just another viewer. If you don't like the film, get rid of the DVD and view another one you like better. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 19:45:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NNjSF0006533 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:45:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3NNjKOW021410; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:45:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NNivUP052659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NNio84062115; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NNiT8E061940 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXoFg-0007yF-Oj for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:44:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:35:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc4655f36c4e62c8383d6f9c646d4ec61d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.129.154 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:45:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C1190.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 3:34 PM -0700 4/23/06, Lavolta Press wrote: >>Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem >>is when audiences believe what they see in films. > >On the other hand, the benefit is that films, novels, and other >forms of fiction have gotten many people interested in historical >subjects who might well not have given them a second thought. >Except for getting a passing grade in required American History and >History of Civilization courses--and then forgetting almost all the >material immediately after finals. > >Let's face it, history is neither particularly valued nor >particularly job-getting in our society. My bet is that most college >history professors seeing enthusiastic enrollment increase after a >major film for that era is released, waft a mental "Thanks!" to the >producers. > >The reality, also, is that there's absolutely nothing you can do to >make the film industry work your way--unless you're a mogul in it. >You're just another viewer. If you don't like the film, get rid of >the DVD and view another one you like better. You're missing the point of my comments: "The problem isn't that films are inaccurate" means that the problem isn't that films are inaccurate. Thus, since the problem isn't that films are inaccurate, the solution isn't for film makers not to make inaccurate films. (Which is just as well, since they _can't_ make films that are accurate -- all films, by their nature, are inaccurate to one degree or another. It is inevitable.) The problem, as I said, "is when audiences believe what they see in films". The solution to that is to try to get more people to understand the nature of films -- such as that they are inevitably inaccurate -- and thus the appropriate and inappropriate uses of films, and to stop using them inappropriately, specifically, to stop using them as if they were reliable sources of historical information. Now, admittedly, it would help a lot with this if movie makers would stop lying to their audiences by making false claims about the accuracy of their films. Personally, I'm not holding my breath on this, as unscrupulous movie makers show no signs of giving up lying about this or any other matter. (There are other movie makers who seem to do just fine without such lying, but my guess is the unscrupulous kind will always be with us...) So while I do urge movie makers to be more honest, my real target for change is movie watchers, not movie makers. As for college history professors, their reactions to seeing enthusiastic enrollment increases after a major film varies greatly, depending not only on their individual personalities, but also the specific topic they are teaching and the degree of damage the particular film has done, and especially whether the students attracted believed what they saw or not. Many professors would rather have only 20 students truly interested in learning real history than 200 students insisting they already know all the answers because they saw the movie and getting mad when the professor shatters those fondly held movie myths that "inspired" them to study history. For as I said in a previous post -- teaching is a lot more fun than unteaching, and movies that bring students to the classroom usually also bring a lot of need for unteaching. Sometimes the balance is tolerable, sometimes it isn't. I know TFWNSNBU has resulted in me wasting a lot of time trying to unteach things that were never an issue before the film -- and in Scottish history we already had more than our fair share of things that need to be untaught just from the general culture. It is very easy for all the unteaching of what didn't happen to completely crowd out any positive teaching of what did. But if more movie goers didn't use movies as if they were reliable sources of history... Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 20:15:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O0Fj7d008088 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:15:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O0FbX9004395; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O0FNbr055513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O0FJvi081998; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O0FFVg081951 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=ijae+fK9ceQSk3sa8BKDZ4SlqReVObsL2uUK8iqN66TCy//Xc03wxbK5kKCsg5/K; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.110.36] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FXojS-0003ts-Ca for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:15:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <322.2c54991.317ad434@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:55:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c9bff87ac75676bb5b8491fc1142e30da350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.110.36 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:15:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C18A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 6:22 PM -0400 4/23/06, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >... everything blends together into the look of Yore. That's why >hennins, for example, seem to be appropriate headgear for The Merry >Wives of Windsor?!?!?! etc. Thank you for a very useful term! "Yore" it is. On Apr 23, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: >The more I learn about the entertainment industry, the clearer it >becomes that "accuracy" is more an advertising buzz-word (used to >attract audiences) than something truly pursued. That is, it is far >more important to persuasively _claim_ accuracy than to actually >_be_ accurate. (I'm know there are exceptions among individuals who >work in these industries -- but in the industry as a whole...) Besides, it's a lot easier and cheaper to just *claim* it than to actually *do* even a half-decent job of it. At 6:50 PM -0700 4/21/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >I agree- the leading lady was SO out of period. I kept thinking one hat >looked more like it belonged in "Breakfast at Tiffany's". The costumes >bothered me more than the music. "Leading Lady Syndrome" -- the Big Name Star playing the leading lady more or less gets to wear whatever she wants, even if that means it's wildly different from what everyone else is wearing. Often this means no corset, low necklines, clingy fabrics, modern hairstyles.... whatever _she_ thinks makes her look sexy. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 21:07:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O17D1D010463 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:07:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O1744x028981; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:07:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O16lY5063174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O16hdc017577; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O16GwG017154 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.38a.18e9752 (39954) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <38a.18e9752.317d7e7d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:06:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:07:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C24B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/23/2006 12:14:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: The wore their own repro 18thC uniforms *************** And not paid any rental fee probably. It was pretty forgettable. And not even about the "ideology" of the revolution, But just about [petty] revenge. I'll stick with Mad Max. I must admit, however, that the film "Revolution" with Al Pacino and...oh what's her name?...Natasha Kinsky?....is the WORST film about the revolution ever! No...I don't hate every movie made....really! For instance I love "Cyrano de Bergerac" ... the one in French...with Gerard... which I just saw again the other night. Perfect! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 21:30:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1UXsv011299 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:30:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O1UOvW008527; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1U2Y1065059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1U0wv032890; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1TuaQ032806 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.382.19af5f0 (39954) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:29:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <382.19af5f0.317d840b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:29:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:30:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C2A31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/23/2006 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: but I think the dating of the chest was absolutely precise. Most people nowadays (and, I promise you, my college students included) think of time in only a few categories: the future, now, their parents' "day," and "Yore." For many Americans, "Yore" applies especially to anything before the American Revolution, ************************** Some of my fave examples of this was when I worked for a costume....as in masquerade and Halloween...shop. They were trying their best to break out into theatre and such, but...alas. Anyway, I'll never forget a blurb, in a catalogue, for a long full skirt: "Wear over hoopskirt for old-timey effect." Hahahaha! That became an inside joke for any dreadfully off costume. Another time, there was a couple who were going to a fancy dress party and were looking thru the slide show the shop had set up of couples wearing costumes they had for rent that went with each other. The "Napoleon and Josephine" couple flashed up and the woman exclaimed "Why there's Queen Elizabeth and her husband!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 21:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1tfhh012721 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:55:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O1tWmo021353; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1tDeQ067125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1tB4K049712; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1t8xW049656 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AEC92210009E; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:50:01 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: Center strip on Eleonora's gowns (WasRE: [h-cost] TudorTailor....a review) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c66742$1d9d2c20$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060423034538.4273.qmail@web31511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Oooooh, if you click on the second pic listed here, it does an extreme close-up. I notice that her partlet is tied with one tie, threaded through double holes on each side. My current has 2 ties and they get tangled. I love this list. Sharon :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bella Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Center strip on Eleonora's gowns (WasRE: [h-cost] TudorTailor....a review) monica spence wrote: >>>>>The dresses worn by Eleonora in her Bronzino portraits usually don't have that center strip down the CF. You can surmise that is there from the pictures where she wears a zimarra (surcoat). Where you do see the strip come from the hands of copyists, or students of Bronzino or from his workshop-- not from the master himself.<<<< I believe this one is stated to be by the master himself... http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?45823+0+0 Just thinking out loud here - perhaps the centre-front strip owes its existance more to a then current fashion (1550s-1560s I mean) for decorating bodices of plain fabric (as opposed to figured fabric), than to a copyist/school of Bronzino. There are very few images of Eleonora. Of those of her in a non-figured fabric, the above image (1560s, by Bronzino himself) shows a centre-front strip of embroidery, and only one of her (the pink one by Bronzino) which does not show it is dated from the 1540s... http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Angelo_Bronzino_040.jpg So perhaps it is rather the date of the portrait which explains why "the dresses worn by Eleonora in her Bronzino portraits usually don't have that center strip down the CF". As for evidence from the 1550s-1560s centre-front strip of embroidery/embellishment, I can only think of one earlier image (from Bergamo rather than Florence) of the 1550s that features a centre-front strip, albeit in a fan-shaped rather than T-shaped bodice embellishment.... http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/IsottaBrembatiGrumelli.jpg I'm sure there must be others out there. As to the extant item posted earlier (the one laid out flat post conservation), it is, as I understand it, the very same one Janet Arnold examined and discussed in Patterns of Fashion, which was indeed the burial garment of Eleonora de Toledo. It too has a centre-front strip of embroidery. Bella Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:02:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O22vEI013027 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:02:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O22nxQ025744; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O22ZGl067762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O22WXU054488; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:02:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O22P7f054431 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A07DF3303EC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:57:17 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Films (was: Knight's Tale) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:02:24 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c66743$21a94910$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I had never before heard about TFWNSNBU, so didn't know if it was superstition or a critique. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon L. Krossa Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 2:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films (was: Knight's Tale) At 12:12 PM -0400 4/23/06, Carol Kocian wrote: >>"Braveheart" >>SharonC., who says "Macbeth" backstage too, and doesn't spit, turn >>around, go out and come back in, etc. I quite happily say Macbeth, and I don't really care if anyone else says in my presence the name of That Film Whose Name Shall Not Be Uttered (though I may spit ;-). I avoid saying the name as an expression of my feelings (which others may or may not share), not superstition. > On the Revlist (American Revolution) some people will write >*spit* after they mention the movie, The Patriot. It's a testament to >Mel that there are such reactions to his movies... I don't find this reaction surprising, given that Mel in particular goes to great lengths to persuade audiences that his "historical" films are accurate, while at the same time not really bothering much with historical accuracy and essentially making the same movie over and over again. The resulting reaction to the supposedly historical films by those who care about history is predictable, and magnified by the popularity of his movies (which increases the numbers who believe the nonsense peddled as truth by Gibson). (The Patriot *spit* and TFWNSNBU are essentially the same plot, which plot borrows a great deal from the plots of various contemporary and futuristic movies Mel has been in. Never mind that the real history he claimed to be portraying doesn't actually fit that plot...) If Mel did not work so hard at selling his movies as accurate, he and his movies would not get the strong reaction they get for being so inaccurate. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:12:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2Cbt2013349 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:12:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2CTtd030487; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:12:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2C926068585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2C53N060716; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2C1M3060671 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2BE98B0378; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:06:54 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:12:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c66744$79c6da30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <382.19af5f0.317d840b@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO A friend and I once costumed "The Seagull". The director wanted it period (1904)and had an idea of what he wanted the women's costumes to look like. My friend and I brought in dress after dress. He kept rejecting them. Finally, he borrowed a couple of dresses from a friend of his, to show us. They were fancy 1830's ballgowns. My friend and I looked at each other and stopped asking him for his opinion. We just went ahead and made dresses appropriate to 1904. He loved them (and didn't understand how they were different from the stuff he'd brought in). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:30 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale In a message dated 4/23/2006 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: but I think the dating of the chest was absolutely precise. Most people nowadays (and, I promise you, my college students included) think of time in only a few categories: the future, now, their parents' "day," and "Yore." For many Americans, "Yore" applies especially to anything before the American Revolution, ************************** Some of my fave examples of this was when I worked for a costume....as in masquerade and Halloween...shop. They were trying their best to break out into theatre and such, but...alas. Anyway, I'll never forget a blurb, in a catalogue, for a long full skirt: "Wear over hoopskirt for old-timey effect." Hahahaha! That became an inside joke for any dreadfully off costume. Another time, there was a couple who were going to a fancy dress party and were looking thru the slide show the shop had set up of couples wearing costumes they had for rent that went with each other. The "Napoleon and Josephine" couple flashed up and the woman exclaimed "Why there's Queen Elizabeth and her husband!" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:17:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2H0uP013503 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:17:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2GqmL000371; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2GdZF069145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2GdR6064038; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O0xiQ6012842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:59:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.127.10] (209-148-127-10.arc16.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.127.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3O0xfti026224 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:59:42 -0700 Message-ID: <444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:59:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:16:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C3514.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The problem, as I said, "is when audiences believe what they see in > films". The solution to that is to try to get more people to understand > the nature of films -- such as that they are inevitably inaccurate -- > and thus the appropriate and inappropriate uses of films, and to stop > using them inappropriately, specifically, to stop using them as if they > were reliable sources of historical information. I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality. > > Now, admittedly, it would help a lot with this if movie makers would > stop lying to their audiences by making false claims about the accuracy > of their films. Personally, I'm not holding my breath on this, as > unscrupulous movie makers show no signs of giving up lying about this or > any other matter. "Lying" and "unscrupulous" is putting it too strong, unless it's a supposed to be a documentary. Even then, there are often multiple, equally valid interpretations of things. So while I do urge movie makers to be more honest, my real > target for change is movie watchers, not movie makers. Many professors would rather have only 20 students > truly interested in learning real history than 200 students insisting > they already know all the answers because they saw the movie and getting > mad when the professor shatters those fondly held movie myths that > "inspired" them to study history. I don't recall any of my professors being anything but enthusiastic about students' sincere interest in their subjects. Nor did they expect students to know all about a topic before signing up for a class--if they had, those students wouldn't have bothered to sign up. > > For as I said in a previous post -- teaching is a lot more fun than > unteaching, and movies that bring students to the classroom usually also > bring a lot of need for unteaching. OK, well, I was trained as a historian too . . . and I've spent my entire working life (ever since college) as a writer and editor of how-to on a number of subjects, in addition to historic customing. In other words, teaching. And I don't think it is productive to maintain an attitude that other people are "wrong," full of "misconceptions" and "inaccuracies," requiring my personal correction in order to set the world right, and bemoaning the fact that everyone doesn't know everything I know. I remember in a historiography seminar, the professor asking the students what first got them interested in history. Most of them came up with legends, old or modern historical novels, films, and so on. I remember the professor saying that most people become interested in history that way, and that historians tend to be romantics; you just can't let romanticism get in the way of social science. But that's for professionals; not the world at large. There are lots of good courses and lectures and books and websites out there. People who want in-depth information will look for it and find it. Those who don't want it, won't. And there will always be people who prefer a dream to reality. So what? Dreams and fictions are important too. Reenacting is just a hobby, and there are many ways to enjoy it. For some people it's serious research; and for some, it's pretending they're Robin Hood or Scarlett O'Hara or whoever. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:20:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2KUkj013632 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:20:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2KLF4002378; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:20:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2JC3H069434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2J98R065660; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O1eHcP039627 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3dd.4a8b30 (39954) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3dd.4a8b30.317d8672@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:40:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:20:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C35E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/23/2006 7:46:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: But if more movie goers didn't use movies as if they were reliable sources of history... ****************** If only they would not use them as a reliable source of anything. Many people REALLY think Bruce Willis is a tough guy you'd want to have on your side in a pinch. NOT! They think Julie Andrews really is singing right then and there on that Austrian hill side during a helicopter shot. Uh huh. Hell they think that really is an Austrian hill side! And I love those "behind the scenes" and "Making of" featurettes on DVDs....as if they're true! No... they are films too! Nothing on film is real. Not even reality TV! Hell, we've got a president who won't listen to Science on global warming, but invites Michael Crichton to the White House to discuss his stupid little work of fiction "State of Fear"! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:22:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2MD0a013706 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:22:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2M5lg007318; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:22:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2KmBe069538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2Kmks066796; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O24l4M055960 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:04:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A10D1C2D0064; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:59:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c66743$772808e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Remember Julie Christie's hair in "Dr. Zhivago"? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies, was: Knight's Tale At 6:22 PM -0400 4/23/06, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >... everything blends together into the look of Yore. That's why >hennins, for example, seem to be appropriate headgear for The Merry >Wives of Windsor?!?!?! etc. Thank you for a very useful term! "Yore" it is. On Apr 23, 2006, at 5:44 PM, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: >The more I learn about the entertainment industry, the clearer it >becomes that "accuracy" is more an advertising buzz-word (used to >attract audiences) than something truly pursued. That is, it is far >more important to persuasively _claim_ accuracy than to actually >_be_ accurate. (I'm know there are exceptions among individuals who >work in these industries -- but in the industry as a whole...) Besides, it's a lot easier and cheaper to just *claim* it than to actually *do* even a half-decent job of it. At 6:50 PM -0700 4/21/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: >I agree- the leading lady was SO out of period. I kept thinking one hat >looked more like it belonged in "Breakfast at Tiffany's". The costumes >bothered me more than the music. "Leading Lady Syndrome" -- the Big Name Star playing the leading lady more or less gets to wear whatever she wants, even if that means it's wildly different from what everyone else is wearing. Often this means no corset, low necklines, clingy fabrics, modern hairstyles.... whatever _she_ thinks makes her look sexy. -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2NAJu013724 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:23:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2N1gL004024; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:23:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2MY5W069735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2MYOM067937; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:22:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3O2JpUm066080 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 93063 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 02:19:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gfmscCbnPrCJx8gu63M5GRtKFWxh8nqlLygVmg0x44jRI3t4h381831PMLlkEyMuS/OOtMMS9GoohrJm8sjyxM6vkDSotUjVQo3HBr89GORylCJ28WHKgynf2EBg07uQBBtvepyJSFNRA3NIuWDRQNIvo5uTd6ovURfbU8Qgfsw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 02:19:45 -0000 Message-ID: <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:19:50 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:23:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C3686.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings-- Lavolta Press wrote: > Let's face it, history is neither particularly valued nor particularly > job-getting in our society. Tell me about it. PhD in history. Now working as a project manager (a job I love, by the way--and doing the doctorate was great prep work!) > My bet is that most college history professors seeing enthusiastic > enrollment increase after a major film for that era is released, waft > a mental "Thanks!" to the producers. Having been in academia when a number of these movies came out, I can tell you they don't really do all that much for enrollment in history classes, unless someone goes out of their way to target a class specifically at the time period or topic covered in the movie, and to gear the class for those who wouldn't have otherwise taken a history class. The general history classes most non-historians take are too broad to benefit from interest generated by a focused historical movie, and those who are taking higher-level courses which would have a closer focus would likely have taken them anyway. I was a TA when that Scottish film came out. It got a little tiring after awhile continually debunking it. If it had brought about pertinent and probing questions about the period at hand (we've had some excellent historical movies that have done that--just not much for the medieval period), it would have been a different story altogether. But that particular movie didn't. (The part that got *very* old very quickly was the whole "right of the first night" thing that the movie claims Edward promulgated on the Scots. Grr.) I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely factual. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:23:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2NI4A013734 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2N94U007599; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:23:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2Mwhc069875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2Mu0T068268; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2MoPW068153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-21-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.21]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3O2MlOU023748 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:22:49 +1000 Message-ID: <004f01c66745$fb4475d0$15d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444BF5D9.8090702@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:22:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C368D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > One of the best examples of this is perhaps the best King Arthur movie > ever made, the immortal "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." The more you > know about Arthurian legend and medieval history, the funnier it > gets--although it's pretty funny even without a jot of knowledge about > either. > > Susan Very true, if anybody wants a good scholarly look at medieval films have a look at this book: Aberth, John. _A_Knight_at_the_Movies:_Medieval_History_on_Film. Routledge New York. 2003. ISBN 0-415-93885-6 the example he gives of a good historical movie is in fact Monty Python and the Holy Grail and he points out just how relevant the jokes are. I'm currently doing a course on History on Film (not history of film but looking at the way history is portrayed in movies). Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:46:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2kUFf014866 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:46:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2kMnP017887; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:46:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2k4MR073061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2k37S084368; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:46:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2jxWV084285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3O4Xv98018392 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:33:57 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fascinating: oldest evidence for needle binding Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:53:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060421154342.54130.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604232153.11803.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:46:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C3BFE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 21 April 2006 9:45 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > At 8:43 AM -0700 4/21/06, Chris wrote: > >Forgot...I was completely blown away by the plaids they've found as > >well...reminds me of the Stewart 'hunting' plaid, but regardless, > >it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! Wait until you see it! > > Yes, and of course the news media immediately seized on this and > started speculating about "Celtic peoples" in central Asia . > > You don't have to be Celtic to weave plaid fabric. Or wear it. Or > anything.... it's just what happens naturally when you have repeating > color patterns in your warp and weft... True. If you start looking into sarong designs in Indonesia you find tribes who wear plaids--some of which are predominantly pink. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 23 22:56:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2uB7S015100 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:56:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O2u3sq023112; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2the4073822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2tdOn090886; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O2tYQK090834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:55:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.213] (209-148-120-213.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.213]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3O2tWED006177 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:33 -0700 Message-ID: <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:56:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C3E43.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance > historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes > out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's > entirely factual. So what? There are a great many fields which you and I know little about, which are no more or less important than history, and which we probably have many "misconceptions" about. And if you're going to teach you need to be able to deal with people not knowing everything already without looking down on them. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltaress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 00:53:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O4rKSc018427 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:53:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O4rCSk018332; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:53:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O4qbjm085816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O4qWx6070310; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O4qRdp070254 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3O4qGbJ009326 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:52:17 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O4q3gN088188 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:52:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060423214739.025b5ca8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 21:51:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:fall front trousers, etc In-Reply-To: <000001c66700$0dbb56c0$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200604231537.k3NFbfv6031301@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:53:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C59B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > What you're looking for can easily be found in the following two or >three patterns, all by Kannik's Korner, historically accurate with excellent >engineering, historical and sewing notes, all of which we carry, and can be >viewed, and purchased, at: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/dept_17.html : > >KK4303 Man's Trousers, 1790-1810 >KK4304 Outer Breeches-Slops 1750-1820 >KK4551 Men's double-breasted Short Jacket > > Hope you find this of some assistance. I was looking in an old Smoke and Fire catalog and must have missed this trousers pattern. It's just what I was looking for. I can't use the slops pattern, tho I have access to one thru another group I'm in, and the jacket isn't quite what I had in mind. But the trousers are perfect. Does Five Rivers Chapmanry have flat brass buttons? Jas. Townsend has nice domed ones, but I don't know if they're quite right for 1812. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 01:24:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5Oqk8019104 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:24:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O5Oiva001413; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:24:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5NKoI089007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5NJ29091951; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5NFpp091862 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15148 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:57:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:57:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In-Reply-To: <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:24:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C611C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > I don't even want to think about what church historians and > Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code > movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people who > will think it's entirely factual. I'm already getting that from my audiences. I do a lecture on "dress of the saints" -- that is, how to use religious figures in costume research. One of the figures I spend a lot of time on is Mary Magdalene, and ever since Da Vinci Code came out, I've had to spend a chunk of my Q&A time patiently setting people straight on misconceptions they picked up out of that damn book. (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the Madonna and Child isn't really Mary Magdalen and her baby by Jesus?) No, it's not the majority of people in the room, but it only takes a few to derail the entire conversation. I can't predict whether the movie will just make it worse, but it sure won't make it better. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 01:45:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5jXVm019667 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:45:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O5jO2w010812; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:45:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5jAwi090326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5j7fn005126; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O5j5BY005087 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4AE73402AE; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:39:58 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:45:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c66762$3d3dbcf0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3dd.4a8b30.317d8672@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3O5j5BY005087 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:45:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C65F4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yeah, remember here in California, people voted "The Terminator" into the office of governor. And when I was a kid, I remember hearing one adult say she was voting for Ronald Reagan for governor because he always played such nice guys in movies and she was sure he was just like that! Even as a kid, I was appalled. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In a message dated 4/23/2006 7:46:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: But if more movie goers didn't use movies as if they were reliable sources of history... ****************** If only they would not use them as a reliable source of anything. Many people REALLY think Bruce Willis is a tough guy you'd want to have on your side in a pinch. NOT! They think Julie Andrews really is singing right then and there on that Austrian hill side during a helicopter shot. Uh huh. Hell they think that really is an Austrian hill side! And I love those "behind the scenes" and "Making of" featurettes on DVDs....as if they're true! No... they are films too! Nothing on film is real. Not even reality TV! Hell, we've got a president who won't listen to Science on global warming, but invites Michael Crichton to the White House to discuss his stupid little work of fiction "State of Fear"! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 04:43:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O8hLFp029607 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:43:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O8hCSG000667; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:43:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O8gp23020407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O8gf7L012156; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f15.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3O8gcYi012125 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 02:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marquesate@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:42:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:42:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.195.176.11] X-Originating-Email: [marquesate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marquesate@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> From: "N Kipar" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:42:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 08:42:38.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AA9DB20:01C6677B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:43:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444C8FA0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance >historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. >There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely >factual. > >Susan That is already the case. I live & work in/near Edinburgh now and you just need to whisper the word "Roslyn chapel" and you can see people's heads turn beetroot red. ;-) Anyway, I have become far more mellow and tolerant in recent years, particularly towards films that never claim to be authentic. I didn't used to be able to switch my brain off - I am now and can enjoy those films. I'm thankful for having mellowed. Where is the point in tearing angrily everything apart and thus losing one's ability to enjoy oneself? However, if a film does claim to be authentic, I still lose my rag and probably always will. Nicole -------------------- "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 06:12:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OACTBB015203 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:12:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OACLp9025740; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OABvM8026593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OABtLb064582; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:11:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav9.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OABp6K064544 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 03:11:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:11:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:11:47 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 10:11:50.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[80FD07F0:01C66787] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CA485.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about advertising, > and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality. > I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud member ;-), are in the minority. Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer the other night...look for it, but try not to gag! We had enough problems at the museum with the first movie...here goes round two! You would not believe the things people say. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 07:01:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OB0wBK026576 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:00:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OB0oAo021636; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:00:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OB0Vno035156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OB0Tr6096356; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OB0Ooh096291 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE9616220308; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:55:18 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c6678e$4a6ecc30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3OB0Ooh096291 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:00:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CAFE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO But ice floats! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of kelly grant Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:12 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about > advertising, > and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality. > I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud member ;-), are in the minority. Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer the other night...look for it, but try not to gag! We had enough problems at the museum with the first movie...here goes round two! You would not believe the things people say. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 07:42:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBgWuT027532 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:42:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OBgN6t015899; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:42:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBg0ei037863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBfr3r025234; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBfmMs025177 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17754 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:16:07 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:16:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:42:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CB99F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've just heard from my contact at the publisher that _Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII_, listed as forthcoming in 2006, will not be out till at least the end of the year or possibly early 2007. (The manuscript is not yet complete.) More whenever I know more. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 07:47:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBlZbg027632 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:47:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OBlRm0019285; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBlAIc038221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBl8ZZ028440; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBl3w5028311 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.193]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060424114657.UWPF4215.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:46:57 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.154.133.198]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060424114656.DIZW28130.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:46:56 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.4.5/322]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:46:59 +1200 Message-ID: <00cb01c66794$cb6c7020$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com><444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:46:58 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:47:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CBACF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that > is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body > frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to > the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer the > other night...look for it, but try not to gag! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 You mean the fake trailer? These are clips from previous movies (I definitely spotted a Romeo and Juliet shot) and mention of the "warm liquid goo phase" comes from the first Austin Powers Movie. I'm not sure, but it may have been an April 1st joke or a tie in with the release recently of the extended version of the original movie. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 22/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 07:49:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBnEs1027669 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OBn6lj030304; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBmnI4038308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBmniI029510; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBmj68029403 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AB160184; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:48:38 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.156 ([209.131.80.156] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Apr 2006 07:48:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006201c66795$66400ee0$9c5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com><444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:17 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CBB32.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At least they had some imagination in not calling this "The Thing III"! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > > I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about advertising, > > and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality. > > > I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of your > statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud member ;-), > are in the minority. > > Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that > is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body > frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to > the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer the > other night...look for it, but try not to gag! > > We had enough problems at the museum with the first movie...here goes round > two! You would not believe the things people say. > Kelly > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 07:49:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBnpM9027688 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OBnhHE020889; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBnXRw038360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBnXrI029964; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBnT5E029911 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:49:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.254.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.254] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FXzZI-0005VY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: <444CC950.4010500@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:20 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:49:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CBB57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > > So what? There are a great many fields which you and I know little > about, which are no more or less important than history, and which we > probably have many "misconceptions" about. > > And if you're going to teach you need to be able to deal with people not > knowing everything already without looking down on them. I don't think it's a question of looking down on people. As a person who teaches costume history to college students, I'm more frustrated than anything. Yes, I'm willing to teach anyone who's interested enough to sign up for my classes, regardless of the origin of their interest or what misconceptions they have when they walk in. I assume that there will need to be some debunking of common myths. The frustration has to do with two things: (1) how much class time gets soaked up with the debunking, limiting the time we can spend going beyond the basics, and (2) ways that students think about history that similarly limit our progress in the class. In my costume history class, I try to teach methodology and thought-process as well as content. Many students do not think critically about history and will believe anything they see on the screen or anywhere else. Their mode of learning is very passive. My favorite kind of student is symbolized by someone with a shovel and a gleam in their eye who will dig out information and question it, then attempt to link it all together, question the linkages, etc. Many of my students are more like someone sitting there with their empty hands held out who will take any information that comes their way and stick it in storage until they need it for the test. Of course, I won't try to lay this at the door of the movie industry, as the problem is altogether deeper. But when these empty-handed students go to the movies, they store that "information" away without questioning it, then bring it in to class. Then we have to spend class time unteaching and reteaching--sometimes it feels like two steps forward and three steps back. It's wonderful that they're interested, but I'd love to spend that class time moving forward instead, building on the correct knowledge that they might have gotten in high school. I don't mind trying to teach them to be more active learners, but again class and assignment time spent on that could be used to move into some really interesting areas of the topic and the methodology. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 08:06:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OC61Np028049 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:06:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OC5qXb031995; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:05:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OC5Lht039407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:05:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OC5KEC040142; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav14.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OC5GGN040111 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:05:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:05:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com><444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> <00cb01c66794$cb6c7020$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:05:15 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 12:05:16.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[5960DA40:01C66797] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:05:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CBF21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Same trailer, but not the same site...thank Christ! it's a fake... Kelly > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 > You mean the fake trailer? These are clips from previous movies (I > definitely spotted a Romeo and Juliet shot) and mention of the "warm > liquid > goo phase" comes from the first Austin Powers Movie. > > I'm not sure, but it may have been an April 1st joke or a tie in with the > release recently of the extended version of the original movie. > > Michaela de Bruce > http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 08:28:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OCSXnq028583 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:28:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OCSPaD014734; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:28:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OCS6YJ041383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OCS5jK055183; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav7.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OCS2v9055083 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:27:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:27:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com><444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> <00cb01c66794$cb6c7020$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:25:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 12:27:56.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[8431F990:01C6679A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CC469.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw parts from Contact, The Ghosts of the Abyss, The real Titanic movie, The Hulk, The Fugative, and Con Air. It had parts from the movie where DiCaprio was the boy/man that was a conman opposite Tom Hanks (can't remember the name) But it just shows that anything is possible when someone cuts and pastes parts to form an idea... could it be true... probably not. But a good work of fiction putting all those together like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that >> is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body >> frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him >> to >> the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer > the >> other night...look for it, but try not to gag! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 > You mean the fake trailer? These are clips from previous movies (I > definitely spotted a Romeo and Juliet shot) and mention of the "warm > liquid > goo phase" comes from the first Austin Powers Movie. > > I'm not sure, but it may have been an April 1st joke or a tie in with the > release recently of the extended version of the original movie. > > Michaela de Bruce > http://glittersweet.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 22/04/2006 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 09:59:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ODxrPr030770 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:59:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ODxjHR024256; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:59:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ODwO6E051596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ODwFLN026517; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ODwA9L026445 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 923090889 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:58:08 -0500 Message-ID: <109301c667a7$378350f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 351) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:58:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CD9D1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sharon Krossa wrote: > -- that is, instead of screaming "If you use this movie as a source of > historical information, you're a fool", they whisper seductively "Honest, > really, we're not making this up -- believe us". > > Because the problem isn't that films are inaccurate -- the problem is when > audiences believe what they see in films. Sharon, this whole post was wonderful! I always laugh when people get their knickers in a twist because something in a movie is inaccurate. It's a MOVIE for pete's sake. Entertainment for the masses. History Experts are not included in "the masses". It would be nice, but it ain't so. It's the same with fiction books. People in certain sectors get totally bent out of shape over the representation of an aspect of society and start screaming "That's Not True!" Well, *sure* -- that's why it's called a Work Of Fiction! There are other aspects of life where history experts *aren't* knowledgeable and other incorrect details may be totally lost on them! Like a movie once where they depicted a mare having a foal, supposedly sired by a particular stallion in the movie. The color of the foal was genetically impossible from those two parents. How many people do you suppose noticed? Well, back to costume related topics. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 10:03:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OE39TN030843 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:03:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OE31UC027229; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:03:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OE2S3U052278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OE2QtO030355; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f36.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OBtHcX033612 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauradi7@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.160.142.4] X-Originating-Email: [lauradi7@hotmail.com] X-Sender: lauradi7@hotmail.com From: "Laura Dickerson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 11:55:16.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3D37F30:01C66795] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:03:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CDA95.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sharon wrote: >>The Patriot *spit* and TFWNSNBU are essentially the same plot, which plot borrows a great deal from the plots of various contemporary and futuristic movies Mel has been in. Never mind that the real history he claimed to be portraying doesn't actually fit that plot...<< There is an article in the current Esquire (with Dave Chappelle on the cover) about sneaking onto the location sets of "Apocalypto," the Mayan epic that Gibson is currently shooting. The author makes the point that all of Gibson's movies are essentially the same. Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 10:05:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OE5CEL032273 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OE52Xi028473; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OE4deP052574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OE4YV3032206; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:04:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OCA87G043275 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so713449wri for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:10:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M9/sz5dl8JsiU/QWN7pW8+pZ1i4hh14qBerPTSks1QF8N26swAwSuGKaoqVM71LHgm2IVzynxjgiwvJlf3TLiSRAUvhVzYjoiqDziDiQSNFxCEMk+cm9UkdwwspIBGLKPQtJj3g4o+xAvkVAd/E7DAZxqPOK9rZwOysWQEwXgL0= Received: by 10.64.150.9 with SMTP id x9mr2749707qbd; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604240510g2d7a17b3y8e9653778aaa0a5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:10:07 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3OCA87G043275 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CDB10.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the update... Until then... I'm treating myself to reading the inventories of Henry VIII. Amazing stuff. On 4/24/06, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I've just heard from my contact at the publisher that _Dress at the Court > of King Henry VIII_, listed as forthcoming in 2006, will not be out till > at least the end of the year or possibly early 2007. (The manuscript is > not yet complete.) > > More whenever I know more. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 10:12:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OECkjQ032420 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:12:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OECcCD003028; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:12:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEC1wd053359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEBtFf038725; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:11:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEBpAI038594 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d3.11e76db (3948) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:11:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d3.11e76db.317e369b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:11:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CDCD6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:12:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer the other night...look for it, but try not to gag! **************** Hahahahaha....that's science fiction! Anything's better that the original! [I'm teasing!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 10:13:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEDjee032440 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:13:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OEDbYc030730; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:13:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEDQqq053505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEDHrh039875; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OED2oF039574 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d9.59dc82 (3948) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d9.59dc82.317e36e0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:12:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:13:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CDD11.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:01:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: But ice floats! ************* Yeah....but Jack's so full of crap, he sinks. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 10:22:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEMJqw032587 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:22:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OEMBnY011437; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:22:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEKr3H054361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEKp0s046287; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEKj6C046162 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05712 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:43 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:20:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor....a review Thread-Index: AcZmJOoWMggJp5suTce6aT/qisKjMQBgwzZg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3OEKj6C046162 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CDF13.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We have to remember that fabric was expensive so every piece counted. Some tailors were accused and/or convicted of being too generous with themselves with the degree of off-cuts most were entitled to. So we can't just blame a poor homesewer for a mis-matched pattern. Garments were often remodled within the lifespan of the wearer and after if the garment was handed down or stored away and found later. Also if a tailor, dressmaker, or homesewer was short on yardage or remodling an older garment, one couldn't call around from shop to shop or merchant to merchant and expect to find an exact match in fabric and dyelots. What survives today before 1900 is practically a miracle, given the multiple incarnations of even the most high-end clothing and the fondness of many late 19th century persons cutting up lovely old garments for fancy dress costumes and chair cushions and pillows. And accident, fire, and the elements destroyed many more, no one having the conservation knowledge of today. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 10:50:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEom0Y000769 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:50:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OEoeAE005082; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEiufd057429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEinBB067799; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OEifhT067614 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f7.17f50f (3948) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3f7.17f50f.317e3e4f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:44:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:50:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CE5C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:52:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 Hysterical! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 11:07:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OF7kBW001180 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OF7cpI020927; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:07:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OF2k34059589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OF2esF083858; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OF2YJm083682 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060424150223.XKOM8674.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:02:23 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.154.133.198]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060424150223.MKOR8268.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:02:23 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.4.5/322]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:02:26 +1200 Message-ID: <010301c667b0$193de6b0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660604240510g2d7a17b3y8e9653778aaa0a5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII book Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:02:25 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:07:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CE9BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Thanks for the update... For me too:) I need to pass the info on in my livejournal as there are a few people curious about the book. > Until then... I'm treating myself to reading the inventories of Henry > VIII. Amazing stuff. Now I seem to recall mention of this somewhere. Is this available in book form or some other publicly available media? I have limited ILL capabilities with my library, but it may be worth a shot. I know there are a few accounts for clothing for Anne of Cleves that I'd be keen to read more about. Some fur for robes was mentioned I think... I have read an online facsimilie of Hall's Chronicles and hunted out the sections on Anne there. Facinating reading. I keep hoping to find accounts for her clothes from the time of or before leaving for England as I am getting further into research of that area. michaela de bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/322 - Release Date: 22/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 11:13:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFDsS9001359 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:13:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OFDkDB026396; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFDNgD061020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFDEZJ094027; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFD6eL093853 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so804349wra for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:13:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sDI9E/IkeX5rDAL8J47vxOy89cR8Td3Qk3VMH2RqjjoJpmfyf+93BxR1sHb9c83u3z0dhA+4bj0VZMUCPtnG8PAu6OuouMHEdiVFIR5kGQEdb852a3yM5ZPyQ0JqIgdEvINsdk3NZ9sToqlGYcs04+TgQWOMEiIt/rs5etgmS4I= Received: by 10.65.35.15 with SMTP id n15mr1974643qbj; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604240813y631dc67dsee46f5b8759f6311@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:13:05 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: <010301c667b0$193de6b0$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660604240510g2d7a17b3y8e9653778aaa0a5@mail.gmail.com> <010301c667b0$193de6b0$0301010a@michaela> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3OFD6eL093853 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:13:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CEB2A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's the info on the Inventory. The Inventory of King Henry VIII. (Hardcover) by D. Starkey (Editor), David Starey (Editor) > > Until then... I'm treating myself to reading the inventories of Henry > > VIII. Amazing stuff. > > Now I seem to recall mention of this somewhere. Is this available in book > form or some other publicly available media? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 11:50:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFosIQ002184 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:50:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OFojXo027650; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:50:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFjNY8066282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFiwwP022988; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OFihrs022629 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IY8009UIH1CLV96@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:43:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:50:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CF3D5.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Poor Mel... He's sobbing all the way to the bank. Please don't take this the wrong way... but...If you don't like his stuff there is an option not to go. People have different criteria of what they enjoy. (This is why my husband loves "Hellboy" and I prefer "Pride and Prejudice".) I for one enjoy his (MG) movies. I loved "the Patriot"-- it was a good story. History, NO. I know that he worked with Colonial Williamsburgh to make things accurate, but since my period is 100 years before it, I am not that sure how slavish he was to accuracy. Looked good to me. I also loved "Braveheart"-- not as history certainly, but as a romance. "The Passion of the Christ" was unbelievably moving, as was "We were Soldiers", though I don't think he directed that. As for the Esquire article: Personally I do not think that he is a 'one note' movie maker. "Tim" anyone? And the "PotC" vs "Braveheart"-- why? -- because they both die in the end? Costumes can make or break a movie for me, but there are other things to be considered... Plot, acting, cinematography etc. That is what makes the experience so cool! I hated "Elizabeth" because the director had an agenda-- not just because the costumes and the history were all wrong. Having worked in theatre for many years I know the frustration of bringing a production to fruition. It is that much worse with movies. Rant rant... sorry, but people comment and complain who have not been in a position to do a theatrical/movie production. We all know that working on re-enactment clothing, or even SCA garb -- one at a time-- is a whole other thing than doing 7000 costumes at once! :-) Thisng always get a little iffy in movies-- because the director has a vision--- and he also has to make something "sell" to the audience... Best Regards- Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Laura Dickerson Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:55 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks Sharon wrote: >>The Patriot *spit* and TFWNSNBU are essentially the same plot, which plot borrows a great deal from the plots of various contemporary and futuristic movies Mel has been in. Never mind that the real history he claimed to be portraying doesn't actually fit that plot...<< There is an article in the current Esquire (with Dave Chappelle on the cover) about sneaking onto the location sets of "Apocalypto," the Mayan epic that Gibson is currently shooting. The author makes the point that all of Gibson's movies are essentially the same. Laura Dickerson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 12:23:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGNdwV003230 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:23:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OGNUiQ023277; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:23:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGHjeO072045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGHVmh054610; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OG4ajj042342 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:05:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.322.307f142 (4552) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:04:27 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CFB82.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:46:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: but...If you don't like his stuff there is an option not to go. People have different criteria of what they enjoy. (This is why my husband loves "Hellboy" and I prefer "Pride and Prejudice".) It's theater!! For example, Mel Gibson's tight breeches in "The Patriot" are totally wrong but, as a professional designer friend of mine pointed out, most people these days associate baggy pants with comedy. So you can't put your action hero into them and expect him to be taken seriously. I didn't see "The Patriot," so don't have a personal opinion. One film I can speak to is "The Buccaneer." I do War of 1812 interpretation. This movie has totally made-up characters or people who are shown much older than they were, and plays fast and loose with the actual narrative. Jean Lafitte, for example, was not on the field at the Battle of New Orleans at all. But, all that said, and the costumes not so great either, I think the film was a hoot! Highly entertaining. Charleton Heston's portrayal of Andrew Jackson seems to have become the norm (kind of like Rhett Butler--can you imagine anyone other than Clark Gable playing him? But at least he wasn't a real historical character). And then you have films like "Becket" and "The Lion in Winter," about actual people but adapted from literary works about them, not from the original history. So you have another layer of interpretation added in. Same with "Desiree," based on a historical novel, but I loved Marlon Brando as Napoleon. I DID refuse to see "Titanic"--couldn't take what I had heard on the liberties with the story (a friend of mine who went to see it with her teenaged daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was rooting for the North Atlantic). I think "A Night to Remember" tried to get the story right, but I haven't seen it in years, so I might hate it now. I guess the issue of whether people get their history from movies, though, is one that will always be with us. But how many of these people are going to study "real" history at all? Take classes, read books, etc. Those that do, can be re-taught. Those that don't will wander around in happy ignorance, but wouldn't they be even more ignorant if they hadn't seen the film(s)? You can argue that it is better for them to know nothing at all than to know it wrong, I guess. But if it DOES spark a real interest, well, isn't that worthwhile? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 12:39:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGdqfp003662 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:39:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OGdiWW005189; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGXNGe074406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGWmOK068606; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGSwDg065132 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:29:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so841410wra for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:28:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=khCpuwFVO+xYL7DVT3SJHV92bpDxOdQwmMKSCJDOMVdwsWOy0oMx2Jzwf/LJANqiDk6YHhsxsMiJs3J72KcnyEdQ7RYEtE4x5um87ufJfXV11aJ5fRZHiW2eprVwmaUmta1TAV7HE7miG2jBsBsEMfKWjj8w4rq19nur3mHq4Ms= Received: by 10.54.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr77796wrd; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:28:55 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost , "Carolyn Kayta" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3OGSwDg065132 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444CFF50.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>Carolyn, I have a pair of trousers from the first quarter 19th C and they >>are constructed pretty much the same as the LongFall of the ...Eagle pattern >>that included knickers. The two major differences are the width of the >>waist band and the back omits the capacious seat and gusset. No pockets, but >>the from is cut full enough to accommodate them. There are buttons for >>straps or suspenders. Basically, the naval trou still being used through >>the 1940's. >The 1840s is kind of late for what I'm doing. I need that baggy seat, to >cover my anatomy and to 'read' early, and I need the resultant trousers to >stay up without suspenders. Does the Eagle pattern do that? Is it a good >pattern otherwise? If the Eagle one is too late, how 'bout using the workmans breeches in "Costume Close-Up", the Williamsburg book? IIRC, there's a pair of leather riding breeches too. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 12:48:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGmEgZ003883 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:48:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OGm6qv012609; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:48:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGlk11076258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGlS03081559; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGbOMN072172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.169] (209-148-121-169.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OGbCZT032342 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:37:16 -0700 Message-ID: <444CFEB8.7010106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:37:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D0146.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO kelly grant wrote: >> I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about >> advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not >> reality. >> > I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of > your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud > member ;-), are in the minority. > You have to be a history nerd to be aware that a new toothpaste probably won't change your life just because the ad says so; etc. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:01:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH1H48004217 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:01:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OH18F3023659; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:01:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGu9vQ077416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGu21e089816; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OGtm8e089483 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3bf.1295d8f (48624) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3bf.1295d8f.317e5d06@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:55:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:01:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D0454.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:46:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: Please don't take this the wrong way... but...If you don't like his stuff there is an option not to go. ********************** Gee, Monica, just how many ways are there to "take" this? I'm glad you like Mel's stuff.....someone must! But how did you reach that favorable conclusion? By going to see the films. I decided they were lame and sentimental by the same method....going to see them. I wasn't disappointed until after I had sat through the whole thing. Really, I may make jokes before I see the film, but I don't decide if I like a film or not until after I've seen it. *************** I know that he worked with Colonial Williamsburgh to make things accurate, ******************** Lord, this could mean anything! Like asking someone what color the British soldiers should wear. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:07:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH7Znd004634 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:07:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OH7QUT029212; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:07:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH56tn078681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH4pPr097716; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH4bUY097379 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3e0.3ad556 (48624) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:04:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3e0.3ad556.317e5f1c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:04:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:07:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D05CE.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: For example, Mel Gibson's tight breeches in "The Patriot" are totally wrong but, as a professional designer friend of mine pointed out, most people these days associate baggy pants with comedy. So you can't put your action hero into them and expect him to be taken seriously. ******************* Not true. Ever see "The Three Musketeers"? The 1974 version? Try any Sinbad [the sailor] films. Now PLAID baggy pants....that's different! :-P Mel is in tight breeches because he's a hunk and people are there to see his ass. Besides, breeches were pretty tight in the 1770s [thought not in the seat]. Your designer friend is right about it having to do with modern aesthetics, however. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:09:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH9PZO004708 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:09:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OH9HGX011079; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:09:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH8tfJ079186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:08:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH8qah001644; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH8kr9001485 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.109]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060424170841.ZWL24762.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:08:41 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.109]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060424170840.JLIG22927.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:08:40 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060424120600.02615020@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:08:34 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII boo In-Reply-To: <200604241402.k3OE2fGK030579@net.indra.com> References: <200604241402.k3OE2fGK030579@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:09:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D063D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Robin. Oh well, the facts of life in the publishing industry. BTW Amazon told me that my copy of your book (2) was shipped Saturday. Beth At 09:02 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:16:05 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >Subject: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII book > >I've just heard from my contact at the publisher that _Dress at the Court >of King Henry VIII_, listed as forthcoming in 2006, will not be out till >at least the end of the year or possibly early 2007. (The manuscript is >not yet complete.) > >More whenever I know more. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:11:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHBxlR004804 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:11:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHBpuO000480; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:11:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHAAHp079364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH9fnS002396; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OH9WLC002149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:22518 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FY42O-0008Q2-Lb for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:35:53 -0500 Message-ID: <03c101c667bd$231a16b0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:35:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D06D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" > I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance > historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. > There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely > factual. My church is actually doing a month-long sermon series on the Da Vinci Code, and has assigned the entire congregation 'homework' of reading the book! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:12:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHCxSY004850 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:12:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHCprE011973; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:12:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHCKsa079687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHCHOw005035; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay113-f21.bay113.hotmail.com [65.54.168.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHCCpW004944 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marquesate@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:12:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:12:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.195.176.11] X-Originating-Email: [marquesate@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marquesate@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <3bf.1295d8f.317e5d06@aol.com> From: "N Kipar" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:12:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 17:12:11.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[39A4B610:01C667C2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:12:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D0713.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From: AlbertCat@aol.com >Like asking someone what color the British >soldiers should wear. PINK! :-D Sorry, it just came over me. (my partner's one of them and imagining him in pink... *snerk*) Nicole - wondering if screaming pink uniforms would have been that much less authentic than the clobber in Braveheart. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHGsTT004958 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:16:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHGj1c004418; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:16:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHGReK080266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHGJGQ008804; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHG37V008481 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.174] (pm5-174.eos.net [205.133.149.174]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OHG2Qd027515 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:16:03 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:03:23 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604241657.k3OGur30090596@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 361 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:16:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D07FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When I rented "Titanic" a few years ago, the guy at the movie place stared at me and said, "Have you SEEN this movie?" He could not believe anyone would see it twice. I told him I had just seen an exhibition and I wanted to watch the part where the ship sank, so he let me rent it. :-) I read an interview with James Cameron, in which he said he invented Jack and Rose so that people would care about what happened to the ship. I cared about the ship, I just wanted Jack and Rose to fall off it in the first few minutes! And I really wanted to push old Rose off the ship at the end. Bloodthirsty, ain't I? Although I do like Rose's clothes. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:21:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHL7Q6005019 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:21:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHKxtX007984; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:21:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHKM8Q080750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:20:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHK0n2011945; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHJpqC011826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.169] (209-148-121-169.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OHJn9S025646 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: <444D08B6.9030202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:19:50 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <444CC950.4010500@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <444CC950.4010500@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:21:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D08FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I don't think it's a question of looking down on people. As a person > who teaches costume history to college students, I'm more frustrated > than anything. Yes, I'm willing to teach anyone who's interested enough > to sign up for my classes, regardless of the origin of their interest or > what misconceptions they have when they walk in. I assume that there > will need to be some debunking of common myths. The frustration has to > do with two things: (1) how much class time gets soaked up with the > debunking, limiting the time we can spend going beyond the basics, and > (2) ways that students think about history that similarly limit our > progress in the class. I assume you do have the routine of giving the lecture and then allowing X fixed minutes at the end for questions, encouraging any really detailed ones to be postponed to conversation with you during one of your standard office hours? > > Of course, I won't try to lay this at the door of the movie industry, as > the problem is altogether deeper. But when these empty-handed students > go to the movies, they store that "information" away without questioning > it, then bring it in to class. Then we have to spend class time > unteaching and reteaching--sometimes it feels like two steps forward and > three steps back. It's wonderful that they're interested, but I'd love > to spend that class time moving forward instead, building on the correct > knowledge that they might have gotten in high school. I don't mind > trying to teach them to be more active learners, but again class and > assignment time spent on that could be used to move into some really > interesting areas of the topic and the methodology. What level of course are you teaching--upper division seminar in the history department? Or a costume history class tacked onto a home ec/clothing design or theater program? If the latter, you're not likely to get much opportunity to teach a seminar course focusing on metholdology. It's like the professor of freshman remedial math wanting to teach the physics majors--that's just not how the college set that course up. I share your frustration with unanlytical people, but just as high a proportion of them are reenactors as the general population. I admit, whenever I hear the exact same words parroted by umpteen people about how the general population is ignorant of something like when crocheting was invented, or how misleading films are, and then go on about how _they_ are the Guardians of History who have to set things right for the world, I think: Well, how much do you know about physics--the building blocks of the universe? How much do you know about molecular biology, the building blocks of life on Earth? How much do you know about how your own body works? And many other things. Not that I know much about most of them either. But in light of the fact of how little most people know about most things, and how many "misconceptions" they hold about them, getting self-righteous about being a Guardian of Knowledge because you know the difference between knitting and naalbinding, or something, and Hollywood and/or the general public doesn't, is pretty silly. History is no more important than any other subject, even if it is the most interesting one to you. I assume it's the educational system that makes people unanlytical. My memory of formal education up to college is largely that of being expected to sit quietly, not ask qusetions, and spew information back for tests. I got most of my real education ad hoc from my parents (no, I was not home schooled) and from reading. College was the first so-called educational place where I was actually encouraged to think. Then again, I grew up in a rural area with lousy schools. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:24:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHOU2C005071 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:24:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHOMSu011135; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:24:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHO2GD081169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHNtx1015273; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHNZfx014988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.169] (209-148-121-169.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OHNVrL005218 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:23:31 -0700 Message-ID: <444D0993.5090200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:23:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D09C6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It is that much worse with movies. > Rant rant... sorry, but people comment and complain who have not been in a > position to do a theatrical/movie production. We all know that working on > re-enactment clothing, or even SCA garb -- one at a time-- is a whole other > thing than doing 7000 costumes at once! :-) Thisng always get a little iffy > in movies-- because the director has a vision--- and he also has to make > something "sell" to the audience... It seems to me that it's the difference between making clothes for yourself--when you can do whatever you want--and working for other people--where you have to do what they want. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:33:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHXUuP005171 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:33:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHXMUK018703; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:33:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHWsgS082354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHWPJ1022432; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHIUi7010717 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.174] (pm5-174.eos.net [205.133.149.174]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OH3UQd026213 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:03:30 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:50:51 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:33:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D0BE2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sharon wrote: > > Now, admittedly, it would help a lot with this if movie makers would > stop lying to their audiences by making false claims about the > accuracy of their films. Personally, I'm not holding my breath on > this, as unscrupulous movie makers show no signs of giving up lying > about this or any other matter. I agree, that's not going to happen, especially when people become millionares by claiming that the preposterous -- which would otherwise be a fun "alternate history -- is true. Like . . . Dan Brown and "The DaVinci Code," for instance. A bunch of crap from beginning to end (oops, did I open a can of worms?) to anyone who knows ANYTHING about history, art, theology, etc. Again, claim it's fiction and who cares? But claim it's true and -- !!! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:38:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHc7Kf005256 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:38:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHbxgq022497; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHbDcx083030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHaetR026613; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHa39A025852 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20865 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII boo In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060424120600.02615020@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:38:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D0CF7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > BTW Amazon told me that my copy of your book (2) was shipped Saturday. I'll be interested in knowing when people get their copies. I still don't have mine, which is apparently on the slow boat from England. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 13:59:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHxFhn005675 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:59:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OHx7Ru007702; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:59:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHwdoG085622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHvMUG044493; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OHuxmc043947 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:57:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A15D03C0; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:56:45 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Apr 2006 13:56:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c667c8$d30247e0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3d3.11e76db.317e369b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:59:20 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:59:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D11EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AMEN! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:12:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that > is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body > frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to > the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer the > other night...look for it, but try not to gag! > > > > **************** > > Hahahahaha....that's science fiction! Anything's better that the original! > [I'm teasing!] > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:06:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI6HCG005821 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OI68LS013733; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:06:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI40VY086472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI3C3D049823; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI2sFK049373 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:02:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:02:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 361 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:02:41 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 18:02:45.0531 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A1056B0:01C667C9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D1390.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I read an interview with James Cameron, in which he said he invented Jack There really was a Jack Dawson, he worked as a stoker, I believe, and is burried in the Titanic section of the graveyard around the corner from us. You'd be surprised to know how many people think that it is the same Jack Dawson from the movie, his grave is covered in flowers every year! ;-> The piece of flotsom that the character Jack holds on to when in the drink was modeled after a piece of the Titanic that we have in the museum. It was picked up in the days following the disaster. I thought the clothes were great, and the cinematography was fab...the plot on the otherhand left a bit to be desired. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:08:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI8OHp005873 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:08:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OI8ECA025827; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:08:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI7nlU087010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI7WC4053956; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI5B2i051602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.169] (209-148-121-169.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OHL833004137 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: <444D0905.5040500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:09 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> <444CFEB8.7010106@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <444CFEB8.7010106@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:08:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D140E.00A by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry, I meant you _don't_ have to be a history nerd to be skeptical of advertising. Or even a science nerd. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: > > > kelly grant wrote: > >>> I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about >>> advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not >>> reality. >>> >> I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of >> your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud >> member ;-), are in the minority. >> > > You have to be a history nerd to be aware that a new toothpaste probably > won't change your life just because the ad says so; etc. > > Fran > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:10:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIAEx0005907 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:10:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OIA6Zc017298; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI9jNA087301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI9KNu055761; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OI9GQW055522 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A43B0330; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:08:59 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Apr 2006 14:08:56 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c667ca$89250fc0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3e0.3ad556.317e5f1c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:11:38 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D147E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And yet once again: Anne Hollander does a great job in putting this interpretation forward in "Seeing Through Clothes".The matter of current aesthetics is always a problem for costume designers. And for Historical Costumers, the double problem often hits when the colors or shape of the design has lost its original meaning and therefor will be miss/non interpreted by the viewing public.. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > For example, Mel Gibson's tight breeches in "The Patriot" > are totally wrong but, as a professional designer friend of mine pointed > out, > most people these days associate baggy pants with comedy. So you can't put > your action hero into them and expect him to be taken seriously. > > > ******************* > Not true. Ever see "The Three Musketeers"? The 1974 version? Try any Sinbad > [the sailor] films. Now PLAID baggy pants....that's different! :-P > > > Mel is in tight breeches because he's a hunk and people are there to see his > ass. Besides, breeches were pretty tight in the 1770s [thought not in the > seat]. > > Your designer friend is right about it having to do with modern aesthetics, > however. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:15:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIFK6E006018 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OIFCjk022006; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIEhAK088156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIEQDt060812; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f6.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIECAr060605 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:13:11 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:13:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <444D0905.5040500@lavoltapress.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:13:08 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2006 18:13:11.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[BEE9DCD0:01C667CA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D15B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No worries, I caught what you meant ;-) Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Lavolta Press >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:21:09 -0700 > >Sorry, I meant you _don't_ have to be a history nerd to be skeptical of >advertising. Or even a science nerd. > >Fran > >Lavolta Press wrote: > >> >> >>kelly grant wrote: >> >>>>I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about >>>>advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not >>>>reality. >>>> >>>I would have to disagree with you on the 'most modern people' part of >>>your statement. I think that history nerds, of which I am a proud member >>>;-), are in the minority. >>> >> >>You have to be a history nerd to be aware that a new toothpaste probably >>won't change your life just because the ad says so; etc. >> >>Fran >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:32:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIWZV0006364 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:32:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OIWRh2006229; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:32:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIW3ek090826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIVbZZ077310; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIVWva077178 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d3.1274af9 (48600) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d3.1274af9.317e737a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:31:22 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:32:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D19BB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:00:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: AMEN! Kathleen > > > Hahahahaha....that's science fiction! Anything's better that the original! > [I'm teasing!] ********************** Now I must be fare and admit the sinking of the ship was amazingly done and very exciting. But the damn PLOT keep interfering and getting in the way! To keep on subject: I hate most the costumes in Titanic. I don't think the designer understood the period at all. Some of the gowns [especially the mother's] look real and are fine. And the hats are great. But Rose's costumes were awful. Thank God everyone's stopped making that boring red "jump" dress for prom night! And I love the image of fluttering silk as they run through the engine room, but the dress has little to do with the period. And that clunky yellow thing she wears topside which looks like it had puffer paint on it. The opening hat was fantastic; the suit, with the switcheroo stripe details looked like a high school design. Ever her corset was wrong. If you want to see how Rose, a wealthy young avant garde, should've been dressed, I suggest a film that came out about the same time: "Wings of the Dove". The delicious Charlotte Rampling runs around in hostess pajamas and a turban. The two girls on holiday in Venice wear Fortuni gowns and kimono style overtunics in Art Nouveau printed velvets. And the colors! It's just perfect. One of Sandy Powell's best! Good flick too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:37:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIb4Di006446 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:37:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OIauWa010243; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIaV5C091466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIaPmZ082068; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIaKxY081877 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.377.1aa8439 (48600) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <377.1aa8439.317e7491@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:36:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D1AC8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: Now I must be fare ************** Oops....FAIR! I suppose I don't mind being fare either. Go ahead! Tear into me! I love hearing from people who disagree with me. How else am I ever gonna learn anything? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 14:51:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIpAYP006775 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:51:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OIp2uj022286; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIoZ7k093303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:50:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIoRxp095064; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OIoLUv094865 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:50:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADE50370; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:50:13 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.143 ([209.131.80.143] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Apr 2006 14:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: <006301c667d0$4b7a42c0$8f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3d3.1274af9.317e737a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... 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Status: RO I went to see the movie with a group from my book club; out to snack later they all swooped upon me with "What did you think of the wonderful costumes!!" I was only willing to speak about a couple of the hats in a more or less complimentary manner and they couldn't understand... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... > In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:00:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > AMEN! > Kathleen > > > > > > Hahahahaha....that's science fiction! Anything's better that the original! > > [I'm teasing!] > ********************** > > Now I must be fare and admit the sinking of the ship was amazingly done and > very exciting. But the damn PLOT keep interfering and getting in the way! > > To keep on subject: I hate most the costumes in Titanic. I don't think the > designer understood the period at all. Some of the gowns [especially the > mother's] look real and are fine. And the hats are great. But Rose's costumes were > awful. Thank God everyone's stopped making that boring red "jump" dress for > prom night! And I love the image of fluttering silk as they run through the > engine room, but the dress has little to do with the period. And that clunky > yellow thing she wears topside which looks like it had puffer paint on it. The > opening hat was fantastic; the suit, with the switcheroo stripe details > looked like a high school design. Ever her corset was wrong. > > If you want to see how Rose, a wealthy young avant garde, should've been > dressed, I suggest a film that came out about the same time: "Wings of the > Dove". The delicious Charlotte Rampling runs around in hostess pajamas and a > turban. The two girls on holiday in Venice wear Fortuni gowns and kimono style > overtunics in Art Nouveau printed velvets. And the colors! It's just perfect. > One of Sandy Powell's best! > > Good flick too. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 15:21:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJLt3E007583 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:21:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OJLlBx017906; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:21:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJArF6096295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJAlrW015293; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3OJAf9l015070 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25091 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2006 19:10:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jDVPGmrs5VNVWI7V2GaWwphuYwpu2p3cwdFAzC5LQqBPyNZQTsJYf4HLQ8AtqsaHOyAFlExNZIObHv4pSjf1ffVtJGmO4JeHi6u9k4/Y6ADjkuy5LbmjkAowOF63DhZshmO1ngbyguXeALWB70h7m4Y7BLpZ+cSG1i/QqZDZfmU= ; Message-ID: <20060424191025.25089.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:25 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604241805.k3OI3LpS049980@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: da vinci code (was historical films) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:21:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D254B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can't think of a way to make this costume related... The Roslyn Chapel is going to be overrun by tourists - as is every other bit of religious architecture mentioned in the story, and in the "prequel" Angels and Demons. I've read both and they are fun reading...also find it interesting that the Knights Templar, the society of Free Masons and King Solomon's treasure have been a hot topic in recent years. (National Treasure with Nicholas Cage is another example) It is definitely going to cause a stir. I've already had heated discussions bordering on arguements with my fMIL before and after her reading the book because she see this as factual proof of her belief that the Catholic church (and hence all christians) have been lying - a strong opinion for an atheist who has never even read the bible or studied religion in general. Annette M Message: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:35:38 -0500 From: "E House" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" > I don't even want to think about what church historians and Renaissance > historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie comes out. > There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's entirely > factual. My church is actually doing a month-long sermon series on the Da Vinci Code, and has assigned the entire congregation 'homework' of reading the book! -E House --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 15:25:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJPFSZ007691 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:25:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OJP7Pg020748; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJOp6X098252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJOg0b028739; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJOXcL028588 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FY6fg-0007VA-Pq for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:24:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:24:23 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc53201fbbd67b5fa25d0bb412701637f7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.129.154 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:25:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2613.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 7:55 PM -0700 4/23/06, Lavolta Press wrote: >>I don't even want to think about what church historians and >>Renaissance historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci >>Code movie comes out. There are going to be an awful lot of people >>who will think it's entirely factual. > >So what? There are a great many fields which you and I know little >about, which are no more or less important than history, and which >we probably have many "misconceptions" about. > >And if you're going to teach you need to be able to deal with people >not knowing everything already without looking down on them. The problem isn't people not knowing everything -- the problem is people who don't know something about a subject thinking they do _based on having seen a movie_ (often despite their claims of knowing "it's just movie", etc.) One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources. Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources. And many students, just like many readers of online forums and mailing lists, really, really hate hearing that the movies they love are not good or reliable sources and should not be used as such. Some insist on arguing about it. Which wouldn't be a problem in the history classroom, if it weren't for the fact that the time spent on it is time not spent teaching and learning about real history (including good and reliable sources). And it wouldn't be a problem in the world at large if it weren't for the fact that being able to evaluate sources and use them appropriately, and generally being able to tell reliable from unreliable information, isn't a skill important only for professional historians -- it's important for managers and workers (regardless of industry), voters, jurors, parents, and so on. It's important for many every day, real world decisions -- even, in some cases, life and death decisions. Wisdom isn't knowing everything -- it's knowing when you don't know something. And I, perhaps naively, believe everyone has the capacity to be wise. That's why I care not only about professional historians, but also amateur ones, and even casual movie goers. So when the opportunity comes up, I talk about the nature of films, and how they shouldn't be used. That such comments inevitably get not only strong reactions but also misinterpreted just demonstrates that the subject isn't all that obvious or a non-issue and that there is indeed a need for people to make such comments and observations. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 15:30:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJU5iq007853 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OJTvYt024974; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:29:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJTcST098987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJTRkk033263; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJTJE5033129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.154] (209-148-124-154.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OJCgnj026322 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:12:43 -0700 Message-ID: <444D232B.2020104@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:12:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... References: <2a5.8e8dc1d.317e7b8f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2a5.8e8dc1d.317e7b8f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2735.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO They did--several dealers told me the Titanic costume staff was "snapping up everything in sight" from the era at one of the southern California vintage fashion shows. Fran > This might be one where the extras are actually better dressed than the > principals. I understand from a dealer friend of mine that they used actual > vintage clothes (yes, gasp!) for many of the extras. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 15:30:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJUK5A007869 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OJUBRH016020; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJTonw099013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJThKX033490; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJTR0d033264 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:29:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.243.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.243] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FY6kP-0003fA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <444D3516.2010008@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:29:10 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <444CC950.4010500@faucet.net> <444D08B6.9030202@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2743.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > > I assume you do have the routine of giving the lecture and then allowing > X fixed minutes at the end for questions, encouraging any really > detailed ones to be postponed to conversation with you during one of > your standard office hours? They're encouraged to ask questions at any point in the class (and they do), and they know I would be happy to discuss things later during my office hours or by appointment if we don't have time in class. Since many of my students also work in the costume shop, we end up having discussions there as well. > What level of course are you teaching--upper division seminar in the > history department? Or a costume history class tacked onto a home > ec/clothing design or theater program? If the latter, you're not likely > to get much opportunity to teach a seminar course focusing on > metholdology. It's like the professor of freshman remedial math wanting > to teach the physics majors--that's just not how the college set that > course up. It is upper level, and it is part of the theater program--part of the major, not "tacked onto" the program. Since I am the only one teaching it, I can teach it pretty much however I want to. I think that clothing history has for the most part been taught as a straight survey course, but this is a disservice to the field and to the students. Putting in some methodology really seems to help the students grasp how and why some of what I'm telling them is important or interesting. > Not that I know much about most of them either. But in light of the fact > of how little most people know about most things, and how many > "misconceptions" they hold about them, getting self-righteous about > being a Guardian of Knowledge because you know the difference between > knitting and naalbinding, or something, and Hollywood and/or the general > public doesn't, is pretty silly. History is no more important than any > other subject, even if it is the most interesting one to you. My goal as a teacher is to teach. Self-Righteous Guardian of Knowledge? I suppose it's possible--I might come off as self-righteous, and it's my business to further the knowledge of others. But again I say to you that it's not contempt that I have about people's misconceptions, it's frustration that those misconceptions and their way of thinking and learning make it harder for me to teach them as much as I would like to in a semester. Is this a Great Tragedy? No. But I strive for excellence in my profession, however insignificant it may be in the grand scheme of things, and I hope for excellence in my students as well in the classes that I teach. Does the fact that I don't know the inner workings of physics (which of course are important and I'm sure would be interesting) mean that I shouldn't strive for excellence in my classroom and expect the same from my students? > I assume it's the educational system that makes people unanlytical. My > memory of formal education up to college is largely that of being > expected to sit quietly, not ask qusetions, and spew information back > for tests. I'm sorry to say that this seems to be common and I think is in large part responsible for the passive learning style that most students have when they get to college. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 15:32:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJWgv8007939 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:32:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OJWYtu027456; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:32:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJVq0q099315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJVZJk035323; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:31:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJUsO1034599 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [69.227.129.154] (helo=[192.168.1.70]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FY6lp-0007wu-Nt for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444D08B6.9030202@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <444CC950.4010500@faucet.net> <444D08B6.9030202@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:30:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcc26abed406e78a595928e05256c851ff350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.129.154 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:32:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D27D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:19 AM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote: >>I don't think it's a question of looking down on people. I agree -- it isn't at all about looking down on people. (If I had such contempt for people, I wouldn't believe them capable of not believing things just because they saw it in a movie, and so wouldn't bother trying to encourage more people not to use movies as sources of reliable information.) >>As a >>person who teaches costume history to college students, I'm more >>frustrated than anything. Yes, I'm willing to teach anyone who's >>interested enough to sign up for my classes, regardless of the >>origin of their interest or what misconceptions they have when they >>walk in. I assume that there will need to be some debunking of >>common myths. The frustration has to do with two things: (1) how >>much class time gets soaked up with the debunking, limiting the >>time we can spend going beyond the basics, and (2) ways that >>students think about history that similarly limit our progress in >>the class. > >I assume you do have the routine of giving the lecture and then >allowing X fixed minutes at the end for questions, encouraging any >really detailed ones to be postponed to conversation with you during >one of your standard office hours? Not everyone teaches solely or primarily by lecture -- especially not teachers who wish to discourage students from approaching learning as "sitting there with their empty hands held out who will take any information that comes their way and stick it in storage until they need it for the test." (Alas, sometimes they have no choice -- like when there are 200 students rather than 20 in their class.) Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 15:57:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJvDfV008807 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OJv5Hq016948; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJue3K003073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJuIxl058531; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:56:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJtxQ4058195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3OJs77x028868 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:54:29 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2D91.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to > evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources. > Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources. Definitely! My first Costume History teacher, Fran Mayhew at the University of Delaware, made a point of using several sources and looking out for the inaccuracies in the source. Regarding movies, one friend assigned a project of reporting on the costumes from a movie of their choice. They could discuss what's right and what isn't, and perhaps also track down the original sources for specific costumes - portraits and the like. At the region 6 Costume Society of America meeting, they had (and will have again) "Hollywood Huzzas and Howlers". People could bring their favorite Best & Worst of film costume. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:00:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK0m00009107 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:00:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OK0dlt020290; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:00:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK0KiY003599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK0Co5061920; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:00:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK04EX061716 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wendirae@bellsouth.net) Received: from ibm65aec.bellsouth.net ([192.168.16.253]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060424194245.RQTQ625.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm65aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:42:45 -0400 Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([192.168.16.253]) by ibm65aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060424194245.ZZSG10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:42:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.16.1 (webedge20-101-1106-101-20040924) X-Originating-IP: [66.255.42.194] From: To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:42:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060424194245.ZZSG10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:00:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2E68.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ann - I was sipping tea when I read this and almost spit it out all over my keyboard!!!! ROTFLMAO >>(a friend of mine who went to see it with her teenaged >>daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was >>rooting for the North Atlantic) Glad to know I wasn't the only one who didn't care for the lead actors. In reference to the conversation that has been going on about history vs. movie accuracy - it's sad to say, but sometimes movies are the only way some people know about "big events". When I was watching Titanic in the theater, the lady in front of me very loudly - and with VERY genuine shock - said "Oh my god! The boat is sinking!!!" I mean really, that's not exactly news or a little known fact hard to distinguish from the real story! Wendi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:04:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK4bK0009456 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:04:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OK4RS1023672; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJx8t5003411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJwNYj060535; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJvv3v060130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3OJvAJk031601 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:20 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55097.72.13.239.193.1145908640.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2F4B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to > evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources. > Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources. Definitely! My first Costume History teacher, Fran Mayhew at the University of Delaware, made a point of using several sources and looking out for the inaccuracies in the source. Regarding movies, one friend assigned a project of reporting on the costumes from a movie of their choice. They could discuss what's right and what isn't, and perhaps also track down the original sources for specific costumes - portraits and the like. At the region 6 Costume Society of America meeting, they had (and will have again) "Hollywood Huzzas and Howlers". People could bring their favorite Best & Worst of film costume. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:04:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK4bJ1009455 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:04:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OK4Tsb025022; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:04:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK4IaC004197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK45SR065405; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OK3sGq065147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3OK3mN2079207 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:03:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:03:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <10646.65.117.156.5.1145909028.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20060424191025.25089.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200604241805.k3OI3LpS049980@net.indra.com> <20060424191025.25089.qmail@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:03:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: da vinci code (was historical films) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D2F4D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Acrually, we can make it costume related in two ways. :) One is, where they mention the masks and robes that are worn by the order in the basement of the grandfather, seeing how they depict that and finding references to such 'attaire' in historical books. I remember when harry potter first came out and everyone wanted to know the basis of the professors robes. So there is your costume tie in. :) The other one would be that since we here on this list are so widely varied in background and knowledge some of us must know of other mailing lists where they are holding discussions about the phenomina that is covered by these books and movies. If we start gathering a collection of links to those discussion boards and lists we can refer anyone that comes here with more questions that are not really costume related to those lists of our archives where they can find the posts. Sound reasonable? Chiara On Mon, April 24, 2006 2:10 pm, Kahlara said: > Can't think of a way to make this costume related... > > The Roslyn Chapel is going to be overrun by tourists - as is every > other bit of religious architecture mentioned in the story, and in > the "prequel" Angels and Demons. I've read both and they are fun > reading...also find it interesting that the Knights Templar, the > society of Free Masons and King Solomon's treasure have been a hot > topic in recent years. (National Treasure with Nicholas Cage is > another example) > > It is definitely going to cause a stir. I've already had heated > discussions bordering on arguements with my fMIL before and after > her reading the book because she see this as factual proof of her > belief that the Catholic church (and hence all christians) have > been lying - a strong opinion for an atheist who has never even > read the bible or studied religion in general. > > Annette M > > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:35:38 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Carroll-Clark" >> I don't even want to think about what church historians and >> Renaissance >> historians are going to go through when the Da Vinci Code movie >> comes out. >> There are going to be an awful lot of people who will think it's >> entirely >> factual. > > My church is actually doing a month-long sermon series on the Da > Vinci Code, > and has assigned the entire congregation 'homework' of reading the > book! > > -E House > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:14:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKEBXi009930 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:14:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKE2EM032384; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKDOqm005525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKDHZT073516; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:13:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKD43s073315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.154] (209-148-124-154.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OKD20I003636 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:13:02 -0700 Message-ID: <444D314E.8060004@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:13:02 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:14:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D318A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Which wouldn't be a problem in the history classroom, if it weren't for > the fact that the time spent on it is time not spent teaching and > learning about real history (including good and reliable sources). And > it wouldn't be a problem in the world at large if it weren't for the > fact that being able to evaluate sources and use them appropriately, and > generally being able to tell reliable from unreliable information, isn't > a skill important only for professional historians -- it's important for > managers and workers (regardless of industry), voters, jurors, parents, > and so on. It's important for many every day, real world decisions -- > even, in some cases, life and death decisions. Hey, I studied to be a historian too. No reasonable instructor expects students to come to a classroom as cultural blanks. But I really don't remember any of this type of "problem" from when I was a college student--other adult students thinking films (or novels) were reality. Yes, analytical ability is important, and there are many people who don't use it much. It tends to be at odds with social conformity, which many people are more comfortable with. Analytical ability is also not encouraged in many situations where it should be--when they are selecting jurors for a trial of any importance, I've noticed they tend to weed out prospects with graduate degrees. Still, most people do filter ads and entertainment through a certain degree of skeptism. > That such comments inevitably get not only strong reactions but also > misinterpreted just demonstrates that the subject isn't all that obvious > or a non-issue and that there is indeed a need for people to make such > comments and observations. I don't know, from your statements, whether you are professionally a teacher or not. If you are giving classes, lectures, workshops, etc., to which people have come voluntarily, then it is your job to educate them. If you have kids, it's your job to educate them. If you're among other adults in a social situation, it is not your job to educate them. Among reenactors, saying (rightly or wrongly) that you know something they don't, or (rightly or wrongly) that you are more "accurate," is a common status game. My saying that does not mean I have a "strong reaction" against statements that people should analyze data. I was taught to all my life, by my parents, so you're preaching to the choir there. Nor does it mean that I see films as anything but entertainment. It means that in my own analysis of data, I've often observed that teaching as one-upmanship is a social pattern among certain groups of people. While I think the whole world and every situation is a venue for educating yourself, I don't think it's a proper venue for educating everyone else. Give classes, lectures, workshops, to which people come voluntarily. Write books, articles, or websites they read voluntarily. But if you really go around socially taking "every opportunity" to lecture everyone on all the "innacuracies" of every film they see, assuming they have no analytical ability and need you to save them from their illusions--you're just getting in their faces. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:27:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKRMNV010389 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:27:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKREIW010936; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:27:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKQoGw007613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKQhYP086458; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKQXAk086152 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3b3.1732dc7 (39332) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3b3.1732dc7.317e8e6c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:26:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: da vinci code (was historical films) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:27:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D34A2.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 3:11:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: factual proof of her belief that the Catholic church (and hence all christians) have been lying - a strong opinion for an atheist who has never even read the bible or studied religion in general. ***************** How did she manage to avoid it all? Where does she live? Antarctica? I'm an atheist and I say the only thing worse is a religionist who has never even read the bible or studied religion in general. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:31:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKVFuc010507 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:31:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKV6fC014111; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:31:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKUlBF008167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:30:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKUigL090464; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKUck4090364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.154] (209-148-124-154.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OKUalN026921 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:30:37 -0700 Message-ID: <444D356D.9080504@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:30:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <444CC950.4010500@faucet.net> <444D08B6.9030202@lavoltapress.com> <444D3516.2010008@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <444D3516.2010008@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:31:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D358A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think that clothing > history has for the most part been taught as a straight survey course, > but this is a disservice to the field and to the students. When I was simultaneously studying history, clothing design, and textile arts, I didn't even bother taking the "History of Costume" course given as part of the clothing design course. From the description, it looked just like what I'd already read in books like Boucher's _2,000 Years of Costume_, if I have the title right. But this was because I'd already read Boucher, and some similar books. I think there is definitely a place for lecture survey courses, including "History of . . ." It's a good place for people to start learning about a subject. An instructor can give the facts without specifically trying to counter a million "misconceptions." > My goal as a teacher is to teach. Self-Righteous Guardian of Knowledge? > I suppose it's possible--I might come off as self-righteous, and it's > my business to further the knowledge of others. But again I say to you > that it's not contempt that I have about people's misconceptions, it's > frustration that those misconceptions and their way of thinking and > learning make it harder for me to teach them as much as I would like to > in a semester. As I said in another message, you cannot expect students to start a class as cultural blanks. And there are ways you can use references to films, and fiction, to get people interested in a subject and then play off it. Is this a Great Tragedy? No. But I strive for > excellence in my profession, however insignificant it may be in the > grand scheme of things, and I hope for excellence in my students as well > in the classes that I teach. Does the fact that I don't know the inner > workings of physics (which of course are important and I'm sure would be > interesting) mean that I shouldn't strive for excellence in my classroom > and expect the same from my students? No, if you're a professional teacher. But I do get tired of reenactors talking like they're the only group who researches or analyzes anything. Especially when a lot of the time, "research" seems to consist of appointing a social authority (or rather, allowing someone to attain that status) and then following whatever that person says, wears, etc. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:32:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKWPeE010550 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKWHft031778; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKVjox008282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKVeHx091235; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKVRoe090994 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.199]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A245AA50076 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001501c667de$168bf730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:31:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D35D1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I am in the middle of making the 1740- 50 stays from -Corsets and Crinolines. My client is a very small person. In making the internal boning, that is shaping the stays i wondered if any here know how thick those would have ben? I am a little concerned that my client might be heard from the bones i have made internal. You can see the stays here: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm I am going to line the stays with a layer of linnen, but i thoaght perhaps i should make some padding over the internal bones? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:38:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKcQ9p010779 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:38:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKcH4B019491; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:38:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKbQkr009207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKbKXr096387; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKavwI096104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.154] (209-148-124-154.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OKatEK014043 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:36:56 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:38:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D3739.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And, we are wandering from the original point, which was "Hollywood should make more accurate films." It's reasonable to discuss Hollyoowd films in a classroom. It's not reasonable to complain that they should all be made differently to support your teaching. Fran aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: >>One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to >>evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources. >>Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources. > > > Definitely! My first Costume History teacher, Fran Mayhew at the > University of Delaware, made a point of using several sources and > looking out for the inaccuracies in the source. > > Regarding movies, one friend assigned a project of reporting on the > costumes from a movie of their choice. They could discuss what's > right and what isn't, and perhaps also track down the original > sources for specific costumes - portraits and the like. > > At the region 6 Costume Society of America meeting, they had (and > will have again) "Hollywood Huzzas and Howlers". People could bring > their favorite Best & Worst of film costume. > > -Carol > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:46:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKk4P2010996 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:46:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKjsLA024552; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKhnlE009943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJ6YmU011217; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJ6QoG010936 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:06:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2a5.8e8dc1d (14501) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:05:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2a5.8e8dc1d.317e7b8f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:05:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:51:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: I was only willing to speak about a couple of the hats in a more or less complimentary manner and they couldn't understand... This might be one where the extras are actually better dressed than the principals. I understand from a dealer friend of mine that they used actual vintage clothes (yes, gasp!) for many of the extras. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:46:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKkGOA011006 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:46:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKk7i5002189; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKhnlG009943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OJLYjQ025584; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3OJL6VZ025030 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12359 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2006 19:20:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LHdHiz+4a1MkBNVH7x6M+542nnU+1FrtFXYqgGQs830SLUNvVE71onuvW5VckbrVJU3szzrBgC2GjMw8Q+AQu82wqCy5mOOMRqfVNlobpZgvcXUnIoU1D1ur/Gd2ofOXeB+XZ3Ep2SvK05qofUpbsWipCj9Wn1N/3qvm06kQmYs= ; Message-ID: <20060424192055.12357.qmail@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:20:55 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: "h-costume@indra.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:46:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D3910.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just realized it has been a month since I attended Robin's lectures in Oregon! Wow, they were great. Very informative. I am sure she has saved me a lot of time, frustration and money. I'm glad I put off making my dress until after I went to the lectures. It also helped me narrow the period of everyone else's clothing, as most of the women have picked a variation of the GFD already! I did take some pictures and they turned out good. I'll be forwarding them to Robin first for approval. I think the pictures are fine, but know for my own self I am never happy with pictures of me that other people think are just fine. Robin - there was one painting you used for reference that depicted several sleeve types, including a woman kneeling in the background wearing a dark blue gown with white tippets. What is that painting/illumination? and is it easily found either online or in a book somewhere? Annette M --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. 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Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 16:49:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKnAW7011099 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:49:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OKn2Xc026663; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:49:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKmOpc010585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKmC0Q006303; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKm4Xb006176 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.192.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.192] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FY7yV-0002Ys-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:48:03 -0400 Message-ID: <444D4788.2080602@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:47:52 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D39BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > Regarding movies, one friend assigned a project of reporting on the > costumes from a movie of their choice. They could discuss what's > right and what isn't, and perhaps also track down the original > sources for specific costumes - portraits and the like. I do this in my class, too--they all present their findings, with movie clips, to the rest of the class. Fun and education at the same time! Next time, I'm bringing popcorn... Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 17:00:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OL0Bqt011485 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:00:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OL03IY001387; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:00:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKxKXh012104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKwu8i015886; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKwna9015635 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.170]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060424205844.MKDU24762.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:58:44 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.170]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060424205843.CRGB19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:58:43 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060424155635.027b3ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:58:38 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: <200604241804.k3OI3LpR049980@net.indra.com> References: <200604241804.k3OI3LpR049980@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:00:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D3C53.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:04 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:10:17 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton It arrived today via USSnail (must be a racing snail) since I posted this morning! Beth >On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > BTW Amazon told me that my copy of your book (2) was shipped Saturday. > >I'll be interested in knowing when people get their copies. I still don't >have mine, which is apparently on the slow boat from England. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 17:08:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OL8gkA011746 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:08:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OL8YNm007123; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OL8AMu013458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OL82q9024297; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OL7TLM023642 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:07:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.289.97411ec (39332) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:07:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:07:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:08:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D3E52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 4:14:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Nor does it mean that I see films as anything but entertainment. ************** Hopefully, every once in a while, there's some ART! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 17:14:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OLE0If011884 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:14:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OLDqa9010547; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OLDT3L014280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OLD5vk029201; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OLCb3F028601 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3e3.4310c9 (39332) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:12:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3e3.4310c9.317e9936@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:12:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D3F90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Beautiful! It doesn't look too bad or that it would be uncomfortable to me. Especially with a lining and the bunched up chemise between the bones and the body. But it also can't hurt to put some light padding...maybe just some felt....over those bones. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 18:10:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMAXo0013646 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OMAOd8011781; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMA0LS021053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OM9506076223; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OM8vpo076082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.154] (209-148-124-154.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.154]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OKZKNX028855 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:35:21 -0700 Message-ID: <444D3689.7020509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:35:21 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D4CD0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to >>evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources. >>Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources. > > > Definitely! My first Costume History teacher, Fran Mayhew at the > University of Delaware, made a point of using several sources and > looking out for the inaccuracies in the source. > > Regarding movies, one friend assigned a project of reporting on the > costumes from a movie of their choice. They could discuss what's > right and what isn't, and perhaps also track down the original > sources for specific costumes - portraits and the like. > Good examples of "teaching." My point is, as I said in another message, that I don't think a social venue is appropriate for this sort of thing. People seem to be talking about "teaching" without making it clear whether they are in a classroom or not. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 18:33:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMXDLi014619 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OMX4tN023984; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMWfI4024043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMWGBO095408; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMVnRx094970 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c7.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.199]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FA9B26280A for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:31:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c667ee$e9513ad0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3e3.4310c9.317e9936@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:32:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:33:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D5220.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Thanks, yes felt would be a good solution. Thanks for that idea. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > Beautiful! > > It doesn't look too bad or that it would be uncomfortable to me. > Especially > with a lining and the bunched up chemise between the bones and the body. > But > it also can't hurt to put some light padding...maybe just some > felt....over > those bones. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 18:34:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMYsXk014680 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:34:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OMYk1a020895; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMYDg5024198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMY1qD097020; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3OMXo6F096707 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 25448 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 22:33:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0oiSBoWHcAhGTA9/Ln7tyiC1xmjJxTSIk448CnnIgjBWXsNBcdsl0xupaN0RZBObm1SWtOb5SqQWxJjYaU2ZYdM9nHbjgF9414+o6Q3c3x0j/Xd7ZtQi6kW5nnueSVVXO6YZyfesB/DJhOqgSh+jFhsR3rIXi7YkcTBXQkcbhN0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp101.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 22:33:35 -0000 Message-ID: <444D5245.50407@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:33:41 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish References: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D5286.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings-- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > I DID refuse to see "Titanic"--couldn't take what I had heard on the > liberties with the story (a friend of mine who went to see it with her teenaged > daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was rooting for the North > Atlantic). I think "A Night to Remember" tried to get the story right, but I haven't > seen it in years, so I might hate it now. > I went to "Titanic" to see all the CGI they did with the ship. For all of the cheezy storylines, the research they did into the actual sinking was quite well done. The ship broke where it was supposed to break and did more or less what the current research was saying it did. I was just eating up all of the scenery--the dining rooms, the staircases, the staterooms, even the 3rd class areas. And the reciprocating engine shots in IMAX were worth the price of admission themselves. (And no, Leo isn't scenery. I'm much more of a Ralph Fiennes type.) "A Night to Remember" was quite well done, especially for the time. It was quite closely based on Walter Lord's book. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 18:51:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMpM5E015034 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:51:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OMpD2d002072; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:51:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMhE9o025067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMgjUi004244; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMgBqg003810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.190] (209-148-123-190.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OMg8si017843 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:42:10 -0700 Message-ID: <444D5441.9040909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:42:09 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D5661.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Considering how many people tragically died on the Titanic, and considering that something is known about the more upper-crust ones at least, I was amazed the producers didn't use a real story with main characters who were really there. I once read an amazing account of the sinking by a telegraph operator who stayed almost to the end, but survived because he was picked up by an overloaded lifeboat crewed by passengers so nautically clueless he'd had to help them get the lifeboat off the deck earlier (they felt they owed him one). And there must be other memoirs too. I refused to see the film for a long time because of the lack of a "real" story, but I did eventually. I thought it was OK, although Rose and Jack were too sappy. At the end of the film, when she drops the megadiamond into the ocean, I thought, "She's had this thing for decades and _still_ hasn't figured out how to fence it?" The clothes weren't perfect, but they weren't bad. I've had a lightweight wool 1910s women's suit around for years, meaning to reline it, that is almost exactly like one Rose or her mother (I forget which) was wearing to get on board the ship. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > I thought the clothes were great, and the cinematography was fab...the > plot on the otherhand left a bit to be desired. > > Kelly _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 18:57:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMvk6R015233 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:57:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OMvcZm006030; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:57:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMvOBe026893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMvBMr015980; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMupig015708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:57:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.190] (209-148-123-190.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3OMunwO023737 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:56:50 -0700 Message-ID: <444D57B2.3000608@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:56:50 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:57:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D57E2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > ************** > > Hopefully, every once in a while, there's some ART! > The line between entertainment and art is extremely flexible, unless there's so much art you can't possibly view it as entertainment. With novels, it's like Charles Dickens, and many other authors, are one generation's entertainment. Then later, just because they're old, they get canonized in English Lit classes as ART. Don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly happy to read the stuff and discuss the symbolism in it to my and everyone else's heart's content. But it still seems a little ironic. The same with music--opera used to be popular entertainment. I'm not sure exactly how this works with films, as they are a newer art form and I never took any film studies classes. I do tend to quit viewing a film that doesn't even try to tell you what's going on. Like "The Aviator"--the one about Howard Hughes--after about half an hour I figured if there was going to be a plot it would have been apparent by then. So I turned off the DVD and later got rid of it. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:11:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONBPsk015659 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:11:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ONBHTa015448; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:11:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONAjbL028494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ON9q8d025954; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ON8qfN025022 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.278.8deafb9 (3924) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <278.8deafb9.317eb46e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:08:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:11:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D5B15.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:58:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Then later, just because they're old, they get canonized in English Lit classes as ART. ******************** I don't think being old is the ONLY reason Dickens is revered! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:13:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONDFqM015700 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:13:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3OND6bh027387; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:13:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONCkDt028626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONBeNv027428; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONAL6D026369 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23573 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:44:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:44:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures In-Reply-To: <20060424192055.12357.qmail@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:13:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D5B82.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Kahlara wrote: > Wow, they were great. Very informative. I am sure she has saved me a > lot of time, frustration and money. I'm glad I put off making my dress > until after I went to the lectures. It also helped me narrow the > period of everyone else's clothing, as most of the women have picked a > variation of the GFD already! I'm so happy to hear this! I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures. The camera hates me and I have become used to that; every professional photographer I've been worked with has commented on it. (And people have been known to blurt out on first meeting, "Wow, you look so much better than your pictures!") As long as I think they aren't misleading about the costumes, though, and they don't break any copyright laws, I'll be happy for you to post them after I've seen them. > Robin - there was one painting you used for reference that depicted > several sleeve types, including a woman kneeling in the background > wearing a dark blue gown with white tippets. What is that > painting/illumination? and is it easily found either online or in a > book somewhere? I had a lot of sleeve examples, but only one I can think of with a kneeling woman with tippets; that would be the April calendar page from the Tres Riches Heures: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg Is that it? I believe this is the latest example, by far, that I've seen of tippets, which were out of fashion by a decade or two at the time of this painting (about 1410-15). It may be that this was a deliberate reference to a known person known to the patron (e.g. an older family member shown in her youth, or someone who had died earlier). I've never seen anyone discuss it, and I suspect that a costume archaism of a generation or less goes unnoticed by most art historians. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:30:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONUQRm016135 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:30:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ONUI0x029068; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONTskX030852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONOwrw036812; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONGbJW031020 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2e9.5d8f04f (3924) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2e9.5d8f04f.317eb4d7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:10:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:30:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D5F8A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:58:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: But it still seems a little ironic. The same with music--opera used to be popular entertainment. ***************** C'mon Fran! You're acting like everything starts out on a equal footing! NOT! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:43:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONh7E5016372 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:43:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ONgx3b005420; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:43:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONgdd1032085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONgZDg048057; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONgUQC047997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:42:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.49] (209-148-121-49.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.49]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3ONgSOh010355 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:42:29 -0700 Message-ID: <444D6265.40205@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:42:29 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <2e9.5d8f04f.317eb4d7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2e9.5d8f04f.317eb4d7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:43:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D6283.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm not saying that all books or films are equally good, by a long shot. But I also don't think cultural survival is purely a Darwinian matter of "survival of the fittest." Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:58:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > But it still seems a little > ironic. The same with music--opera used to be popular entertainment. > > > > ***************** > > C'mon Fran! You're acting like everything starts out on a equal footing! NOT! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:46:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONkNqO016450 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:46:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ONkFaS007831; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:46:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONjvYI032644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONjsQZ050474; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONjoBS050407 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so1460333pyc for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rUcTb8iTn/gn0eQFa0+Dj1Hbu5PhFSEKHutiAAjU5HEPECt6ojxbIqivPXBSUNWnXAZ3fMWj4ZPt9pS5/8UQYlqfjkjdQrok3dtdGB3WwPPRihRdglBpo31+MEBJvo/zURmvhg5gl8jaEjhm78aUoSmwEPZ8EQnpJQFKNB1GV5M= Received: by 10.35.76.9 with SMTP id d9mr135531pyl; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.15.9 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:45:49 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3ONjoBS050407 Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:46:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D6347.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:39:58 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <02d901c66666$130c2c20$9400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Thurman" > > Fellow "browncoat" here! Probably a better question for the f-costume > > list, but seeing as you brought it up: > > > > What pattern (if any) did you use for your husband's browncoat? I'm > > toying with making Zoey's outfit. > > Yay, more browncoats! (And oh yeah, I'd forgotten there was an f-costume--I > should subscribe to that.) > > I'm afraid I made my own pattern... couldn't find any that worked right. > The closest I saw was the Simplicity Matrix coat pattern (5386) but it would > have needed so much alteration that I decided not to bother. The basic > construction is a single left & right panel on the front, shaped side seams > with slits starting about hip level, three shaped panels at the back below a > yoke, a tuxedo collar, and wide cuffed sleeves with the seam along the back > of the arm. If you buy about 5 different patterns, you could probably put > them all together and get something, but oww! I'll have to take a closer look at both the series and the movie with the "pause" button at the ready. I guess I'm thinking "duster = tailoring" and am perhaps assuming that it's more complicated than it is! As it is, if I ever get to this project, I'd have to use ultrasuede or similar - I've never worked with leather and if I'm not certain of the pattern it would be a very expensive mistake if I made one! > > Here's pics, btw: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/malcoatfront.jpg > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/malcoatback.jpg (looks a lot more rumpled > in the photos, for some reason!) > I made the mistake of using suede that was waaaaaaaaay too thick, and still > haven't found the right clasp/buckle thingies for the front of it, grumble. Thanks for the photos! (filing away for future use) > > Are you thinking of the neat leather vest thingy Zoey wears? Sounds like > fun! I've been meaning to make the duster she wears in "Train Job" (while > actually on the train) for a while, but haven't gotten around to it yet... I > should do that someday. I'm thinking of the full kit - vest, duster over, riding pants, etc. I'm sure there's a Firefly costuming site out there, I just have to look! > > -E OB H-costume: much of the settlers' clothing in Firefly appears to be heavily based on American frontier/19th century clothing (think "Little House On The Prairie"). In one scene one of the heroes wears a very fetching pink floral bonnet as a disguise :P Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:46:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONkSv1016452 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ONkKPH000327; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:46:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONjv1l032643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONjsQi050471; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONjooX050402 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z74so1243320pyg for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rUcTb8iTn/gn0eQFa0+Dj1Hbu5PhFSEKHutiAAjU5HEPECt6ojxbIqivPXBSUNWnXAZ3fMWj4ZPt9pS5/8UQYlqfjkjdQrok3dtdGB3WwPPRihRdglBpo31+MEBJvo/zURmvhg5gl8jaEjhm78aUoSmwEPZ8EQnpJQFKNB1GV5M= Received: by 10.35.76.9 with SMTP id d9mr135531pyl; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.15.9 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:45:49 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3ONjooX050402 Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:46:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D634C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 18:39:58 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <02d901c66666$130c2c20$9400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Thurman" > > Fellow "browncoat" here! Probably a better question for the f-costume > > list, but seeing as you brought it up: > > > > What pattern (if any) did you use for your husband's browncoat? I'm > > toying with making Zoey's outfit. > > Yay, more browncoats! (And oh yeah, I'd forgotten there was an f-costume--I > should subscribe to that.) > > I'm afraid I made my own pattern... couldn't find any that worked right. > The closest I saw was the Simplicity Matrix coat pattern (5386) but it would > have needed so much alteration that I decided not to bother. The basic > construction is a single left & right panel on the front, shaped side seams > with slits starting about hip level, three shaped panels at the back below a > yoke, a tuxedo collar, and wide cuffed sleeves with the seam along the back > of the arm. If you buy about 5 different patterns, you could probably put > them all together and get something, but oww! I'll have to take a closer look at both the series and the movie with the "pause" button at the ready. I guess I'm thinking "duster = tailoring" and am perhaps assuming that it's more complicated than it is! As it is, if I ever get to this project, I'd have to use ultrasuede or similar - I've never worked with leather and if I'm not certain of the pattern it would be a very expensive mistake if I made one! > > Here's pics, btw: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/malcoatfront.jpg > http://www.formfunction.org/temp3/malcoatback.jpg (looks a lot more rumpled > in the photos, for some reason!) > I made the mistake of using suede that was waaaaaaaaay too thick, and still > haven't found the right clasp/buckle thingies for the front of it, grumble. Thanks for the photos! (filing away for future use) > > Are you thinking of the neat leather vest thingy Zoey wears? Sounds like > fun! I've been meaning to make the duster she wears in "Train Job" (while > actually on the train) for a while, but haven't gotten around to it yet... I > should do that someday. I'm thinking of the full kit - vest, duster over, riding pants, etc. I'm sure there's a Firefly costuming site out there, I just have to look! > > -E OB H-costume: much of the settlers' clothing in Firefly appears to be heavily based on American frontier/19th century clothing (think "Little House On The Prairie"). In one scene one of the heroes wears a very fetching pink floral bonnet as a disguise :P Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 19:52:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONqMV7016657 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:52:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ONqE9v012076; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:52:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONpp5R033799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONpmov054722; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONpgfh054674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.130] (209-148-122-130.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3ONOQ0l016268 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:26 -0700 Message-ID: <444D5E2B.3030603@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:27 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <278.8deafb9.317eb46e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <278.8deafb9.317eb46e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:52:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D64AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I don't think being old is the ONLY reason Dickens is revered! Oh, Dickens is good, but his works were popular literature in his time. Whereas the later James Joyce gets revered as ART, but not much read otherwise. Probably people deciding it was porn was the only reason anyone bought it when it was first published. It's amazing what does and does not get preserved. I've got, BTW, an anonymous 1870s British melodrama I bet would make a super BBC miniseries. It's got a cliffhanger at the end of every serial installment, and for modern relevance it even has a racial tolerance theme (the heroine is a "mulatto" among whites in Britain). This isn't high art at all, but it's not bad and would make just as good a series at many of the others. I've never wrote a script in my life, but sometimes I'm tempted to try with some of these publications. And why the heck doesn't BBC do Vita Sackville-West's bestseller _The Edwardians_? It would make a much better film than Virgina Woolf's stuff, which doesn't tend to translate well. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 20:00:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P00YWk016881 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:00:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P00Pxq017896; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P001nU035374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ONxwdY060697; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3ONxrma060565 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:59:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 43631 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 23:33:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 23:33:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425003110.01e1b930@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:33:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays In-Reply-To: <001501c667de$168bf730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001501c667de$168bf730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D669A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:31 24/04/2006, you wrote: >Hello, >I am in the middle of making the 1740- 50 stays from -Corsets and >Crinolines. My client is a very small person. >In making the internal boning, that is shaping the stays i wondered if any >here know how thick those would have ben? >I am a little concerned that my client might be heard from the bones i have >made internal. >You can see the stays here: >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >I am going to line the stays with a layer of linnen, but i thoaght perhaps i >should make some padding over the internal bones? Bjarne This would have been thin slices of whalebone, which is flexible. The German boning is more rigid than true whalebone. I used Rigilene, which is what I make all my pre Victorian corsets with, plus a few rigid steels centre front and down the back lacing. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 20:58:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P0wTBT018287 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:58:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P0wKUt021652; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:58:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P0vo76043802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P0ve0e002338; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P0vTf0002191 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A3F2038C; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:57:22 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 24 Apr 2006 20:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: <004a01c66803$9659dca0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2a5.8e8dc1d.317e7b8f@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:59:36 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:58:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D742C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This thought about hats occurred to me later...have had local 'extras' speak about being better (more historically costumed)than the principals. I once had a very minor role in "Mame" where I was given permission to provide my own 'cast' costumes.I appeared at the dress rehearsal in five scenes wearing vintage (Gasp) garments...and found myself in competition with the costumes provided for 'Mame'! The costumer had committed herself to do the costumes for "Mame". No one thought she had meant that literally! Any way, I went to my vast cupboard the next day and raided the stash so that the other principals were at least as well costumed as my self. (Sort of 'Hedge your bets") Otherwise, I could never have worn some of my favorite ensembles.Sigh. Some of these were vintage (and able) and some from my own design based on the more fragile vintage. "C'est la vie" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:51:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > I was only willing to speak about a couple of the hats in a more > or less complimentary manner and they couldn't understand... > > > > This might be one where the extras are actually better dressed than the > principals. I understand from a dealer friend of mine that they used actual > vintage clothes (yes, gasp!) for many of the extras. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 21:42:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1gA8t019593 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:42:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P1g26h021390; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:42:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1feHX048288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1favw032074; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1fWXS032024 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CECA130894 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:41:30 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-120-183.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-120-183.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.120.183]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:41:30 +1000 Message-ID: <1145929290.444d7e4a66242@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:41:30 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:42:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D7E6A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hang on...is this thread about Mel Gibson being good (in which case we call him an Australian) or something bad (in which case he is an American)? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 21:53:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1rtLQ019979 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:53:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P1rlkN030245; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1rUxK049680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1rSrE040425; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P1rNwf040368 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m117.in-tch.com [216.166.191.117]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3P1hvA21954 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:43:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003601c6680c$12f9e0e0$75bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:00:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:53:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D812B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I refused to see _Titanic_ because I generally hate romances, and I truly hate overly-hyped romances, especially when you know how it's going to end...hello? North Atlantic 1, Boat 0! That said, I did catch a bit of the end on television just this past year--the bit where the boat is sinking. Wonderful imagery. And all of those survivors, who died of exposure, floating frozen in that water--for some reason, it really haunts me. I'm going to rent it some weekend, despite the romance.... --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish > > I DID refuse to see "Titanic"--couldn't take what I had heard on the > liberties with the story (a friend of mine who went to see it with her teenaged > daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was rooting for the North > Atlantic). I think "A Night to Remember" tried to get the story right, but I haven't > seen it in years, so I might hate it now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:37:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2bhc9021296 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2bYPJ029531; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2apwN055155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2aoM5070997; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav17.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2akXV070955 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:36:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:36:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> <003601c6680c$12f9e0e0$75bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:34:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 02:36:45.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[18082EC0:01C66811] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8B6E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw the exhibit in Memphis, TN and could not relate to the tragedy of the sinking of the Titanic. It was much more than the exhibit here in Harrisburg, PA this past year. The first exhibition was massive with artifacts and personal items of the people who were on that voyage. It included hair brushes, toilettries, clothing, a bola hot, perfume bottles of delicate handblown glass with the stoppers still in them, Red Star line dishes that were not chipped or broken, the deck chairs. Over one stairway loomed one of themassive propellors, BIGGG PROPELLOR hanging way up at the ceiling... seemingly weightless as it hung lifeless, while I thought it would have fallen and crashed to the floor of the ocean. One great wall of the exhibit recreated the front staircase with the statue standing regally at it ascended the height of the many floors to the upper decks. It was very intimidating and had a great imapct on the people who saw it. Laster when the movie came out, I realized the real importance of the exhibit. I wished I could have seen the movie THEN the exhibit. A good story, yes. All fact, no. No one knows exactly what happened to all those people. Those who were below deck did not live to tell their tales. Mostly the rich survived, and some of them didn't make it either. If it was fiction, fine. It still connected to those who lost their lives and made that historic event something my generation had never heard of. Yes, it was a script based on fact. It still had the realism of that cold watery grave that echoes through time to our generations. I liked the movie and th music... until every radio station in the US played it over and over and over all day long. That made it a less than enjoyable event for me. But after a few years of not hearing that song, it renewed it's favor with me. So there. I'm a movie buff and enjoy going. It's a break from reality. Yes, I don't hold it as all true fact... otherwise it would be a documentary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish >I refused to see _Titanic_ because I generally hate romances, and I truly > hate overly-hyped romances, especially when you know how it's going to > end...hello? North Atlantic 1, Boat 0! > That said, I did catch a bit of the end on television just this past > year--the bit where the boat is sinking. Wonderful imagery. And all of > those survivors, who died of exposure, floating frozen in that water--for > some reason, it really haunts me. I'm going to rent it some weekend, > despite the romance.... > --Sue in Montana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:04 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish > > >> >> I DID refuse to see "Titanic"--couldn't take what I had heard on the >> liberties with the story (a friend of mine who went to see it with her > teenaged >> daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was rooting for the North >> Atlantic). I think "A Night to Remember" tried to get the story right, > but I haven't >> seen it in years, so I might hate it now. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:37:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2bhKO021297 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2bZs5029859; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2WCAM054641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2W5Cd067710; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2VxFP067635 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.156.121] (helo=[192.168.0.6]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYDLK-0007o9-EZ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:31:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444D3689.7020509@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D3689.7020509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:25:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc6b5994b5b84051bde915292e9be34c1a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.156.121 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8B6F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 1:35 PM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote: >Good examples of "teaching." My point is, as I said in another >message, that I don't think a social venue is appropriate for this >sort of thing. People seem to be talking about "teaching" without >making it clear whether they are in a classroom or not. Is teaching banned outside of classrooms, then? What a pity -- but in that case, I guess this mailing list should be shut down. Wouldn't want to encourage any illicit teaching and learning! Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:43:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2h9XR021562 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:43:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2h1dI001430; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:43:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2ghDw055730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2gf0g074949; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3P2gbJF074825 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 12110 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 02:42:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y5YlSslrRC0jsmhNyZSFe7uvhPwtX36kR++auzcK0qDGunmH4sQRXvAlUQBIujWOdanbru+T9oz8RkdAGXKxfIgc52pThw8V2++Z8c1Gt+ynR0BGX/Ec5tkqIAYttLXXTPdFRxyHSewgFCMDBdwgPPAvqG4FaCg1Z+/mp8iGkwU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@70.27.127.33 with plain) by smtp106.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 02:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: <444D8C9D.2040504@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:42:37 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish References: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> <003601c6680c$12f9e0e0$75bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <003601c6680c$12f9e0e0$75bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:43:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8CB5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings-- Sue Clemenger wrote: > That said, I did catch a bit of the end on television just this past > year--the bit where the boat is sinking. Wonderful imagery. And all of > those survivors, who died of exposure, floating frozen in that water--for > some reason, it really haunts me. I'm going to rent it some weekend, > despite the romance.... You can do what I do. In the bit where Kate Winslett is holding onto Leo's hand after the boat has sunk, you can chant "Just let go! Just let go!" Makes it much more fun that way :-) Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:53:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rUiv021819 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2rMNm010457; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2r18C056571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2r0VW081694; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OL2tMI019440 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3bc.1310cec (39332) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:02:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3bc.1310cec.317e96f3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:02:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8F22.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 3:33:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org writes: As a >>person who teaches costume history to college students, ****************** When teaching the actual history of costume, movies can indeed be a pain in the ass. But if you're teaching design, and costuming, they can be most helpful. Especially in periods that are difficult with hoops and corsets and padding and other contraptions. Learning by example. "Gone With the Wind" can be helpful at showing how hoops move, and is full of the most helpful details as costume relates to character and changes....like removing hoops because of a change of fortune [now the skirt drags, how can you as a designer use that?] or the dilemma of Melanie arriving at Tara during the war in her night gown and nothing else.[Put her in something already at Tara: one of Careen's or Suellen's gowns. Plunket's solution is to put Melanie in the same skirt you saw Careen in before the war....emphasizing it because it is only tea length so a piece of black cloth is sewn to the bottom of it to make it reach the floor. It's thinking things through.] "Dangerous Liaisons" is helpful in seeing what you can achieve with panniers. Couple it with "Tom Jones" and you can see how the approach to construction of good design can make or break it. "DL" has respect for period methods whereas Tom Jones has perfectly good designs, all with zippers up the back...alas. "The Bostonians" and "Age of Innocence" shows students how they may have to deal with movement and sitting and such in a difficult period [cuirass bustle]. And a film like "The Piano" illustrates how using a period hair style we find strange or ugly enhances character [so "pretty" is not always the goal] and how using and mixing up "native" materials can create a sense of reality and interest [waistcoats made of Maori fabrics and the native woman who wears with her cast off European gown a top hat and tail coat.] If you're doing "A Doll's House", how can you make fashions look like Norway? What details will keep opera goers reminded of Seville in "Le Nozzi di Figaro?" But this is design....not history. However, it helps to know and respect history so you can formulate interesting feats like these to help make designs come alive. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:53:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rhV3021826 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2rYMT032736; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2qQs5056484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2qNbs081255; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OKotDh008514 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:51:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OKotQd023346 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:50:55 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:38:14 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200604241929.k3OJTh9R033492@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: titanic extra costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8F2E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you check the archives, there were some great posts about this at the time. By Penny Ladnier, maybe?? Anyway, the way I recall it, most of the original garments were bought to reproduce, not to use, and none of them were drowned with the cast. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:53:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rhGJ021827 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2rZwH012613; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rMWk056617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rK1i081903; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OLeOgG051648 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IY8007JXWTEO010@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:24:49 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks In-reply-to: <444D0993.5090200@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8F2F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >It seems to me that it's the difference between making clothes for >yourself--when you can do whatever you want--and working for other >people--where you have to do what they want. Yes-- especially if you want to get paid! There is a major difference in having to do a show (we did "Otello" , the opera, with 2 Desdamona's with only enough time and money to make 1 dress) and making garb/reinacting stuff for yourself. Take museum work. It has little to do with making clothes, just saving them and presenting them for display. I think we are all too critical about costume work in films. The director-- and sometimes the STARS have a majority of things to say about what is worn. For my period, the 16th C.-- there is so little left to see. We have to guess about a lot, based on what has survived and what we see in paintings -- and the paintings are someone's interpretation... Frustrating-- you bet. But what a challenge to us all. Monica Teaching Roman clothing in Fashion History tomorrow... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks It is that much worse with movies. > Rant rant... sorry, but people comment and complain who have not been in a > position to do a theatrical/movie production. We all know that working on > re-enactment clothing, or even SCA garb -- one at a time-- is a whole other > thing than doing 7000 costumes at once! :-) Thisng always get a little iffy > in movies-- because the director has a vision--- and he also has to make > something "sell" to the audience... It seems to me that it's the difference between making clothes for yourself--when you can do whatever you want--and working for other people--where you have to do what they want. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:53:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rxww021836 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2rmLj017207; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rcUw056659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2raNp082118; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OM0XHS069262 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C0116AA0 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060424145045.03631130@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:00:29 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction In-Reply-To: References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C22FD.5030906@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8F3C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 03:11 AM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >Why else would Hollywood have the balls to make the new Titanic movie that >is comming out this summer...the one where they find Jack Dawson's body >frozen in a block of ice at the bottom of the North Atlantic, bring him to >the surface, thaw him out and he's perfectly healthy! I saw the trailer >the other night...look for it, but try not to gag! Hi Kelly, That's an amusing trailer all right... with clips from various movies of Leonardo's all cut together to make it seem "real"... as in a new movie coming out. But it is a fake, just in case people think this is a real movie trailer. I recognized various scenes from various movies I have watched, and some from other movie trailers. Whoever did this one is good, sorta. "warm liquid goo phase begins" was amusing, but a giveaway. Ah, found the original web site: http://www.vekay.com/titanic.html by Derek Johnson But I enjoyed watching it, so thanks for sharing this with us. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:54:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2sAwA021841 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:54:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2s17H014998; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:54:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rm2N056681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rlGa082248; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OM6fR4074300 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([151.199.157.154]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IY800DZ0YQYVR42@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:06:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:06:35 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <007401c667eb$5aa92d90$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3e0.3ad556.317e5f1c@aol.com> X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8F49.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I imagine that you must mean baggy seat, for teh American Revolution most certainly is not a perio for baggy breeches. The proper fit is rather tight through the legs, though they shoul have a baggy, somewhat comical looking seat! There was very little involvement by the way between Colonial Williamsburg an teh PAtriot, though they did obtain some props through us. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish > > In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:19:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AnnBWass@aol.com writes: > > For example, Mel Gibson's tight breeches in "The Patriot" > are totally wrong but, as a professional designer friend of mine pointed > out, > most people these days associate baggy pants with comedy. So you can't > put > your action hero into them and expect him to be taken seriously. > > > ******************* > Not true. Ever see "The Three Musketeers"? The 1974 version? Try any > Sinbad > [the sailor] films. Now PLAID baggy pants....that's different! :-P > > > Mel is in tight breeches because he's a hunk and people are there to see > his > ass. Besides, breeches were pretty tight in the 1770s [thought not in the > seat]. > > Your designer friend is right about it having to do with modern > aesthetics, > however. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:55:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2tMNV021889 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2tC23000533; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2sx1r056828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2swZr083134; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:54:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ON1Bls018930 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.286.976ff88 (3924) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <286.976ff88.317eb2ae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:01:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8F90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:45:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: Considering how many people tragically died on the Titanic, and considering that something is known about the more upper-crust ones at least, I was amazed the producers didn't use a real story with main characters who were really there ************************* BINGO! Especially if you're reproducing exactly all the china....just to break it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:55:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2tpOo021903 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2thWe012433; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2tU3p056929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2tTJn083445; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ON3XMU020829 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.279.89e395c (3924) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:03:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <279.89e395c.317eb335@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:03:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8FAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:45:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: I thought, "She's had this thing for decades and _still_ hasn't figured out how to fence it?" ******************** I thought. "Hey....couldn't your daughter use that?!" Well Rose couldn't make a decent decision in 1912, why would she now? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:56:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2uLN1021912 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:56:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2uDHk012952; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2u3N0057034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2u25t083938; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.158]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P0uZG8001667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sweetrees10@optusnet.com.au) Received: from Faran (d58-104-176-68.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [58.104.176.68]) by mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k3P0uPwe012063 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:56:34 +1000 Message-ID: <1d3f01c66803$11caece0$0c01a8c0@Faran> From: "Sweetrees" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060424194245.ZZSG10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:56:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=34% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8FCD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, this is my first post...Hope I am doing this right. I have been read the posts on the inaccuracies and how gullible the general public is about believing every thing they see in movies. I am really new to costume spotting but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell at the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK UP THE AMMO/WEAPON", as the good guy runs around ect...so now it will be punctuated with, "WHAT ARE THEY THINKING THAT ISN'T EVEN THE RIGHT..." I will probably not be able to get any of our friends to watch movies with us at all from now on. (Well except for those who share our frustrations) Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish > Ann - I was sipping tea when I read this and almost spit it out all over my keyboard!!!! ROTFLMAO > > >>(a friend of mine who went to see it with her teenaged >>daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was >>rooting for the North Atlantic) > > Glad to know I wasn't the only one who didn't care for the lead actors. > > In reference to the conversation that has been going on about history vs. movie accuracy - it's sad to say, but sometimes movies are the only way some people know about "big events". When I was watching Titanic in the theater, the lady in front of me very loudly - and with VERY genuine shock - said "Oh my god! The boat is sinking!!!" I mean really, that's not exactly news or a little known fact hard to distinguish from the real story! > > Wendi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:57:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2v9LQ021940 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:57:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2v1nc017606; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:57:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2uo6Q057230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2umrC084613; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2VtJr067592 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.156.121] (helo=[192.168.0.6]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYDLE-0007o9-GQ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:31:55 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 19:31:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc5cd7e818e39c4d488cc2c085fd6dcbdf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.156.121 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:57:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D8FFD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 1:36 PM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote: >And, we are wandering from the original point, which was "Hollywood >should make more accurate films." Was that the original point? Perhaps -- but it certainly wasn't my point, or that of several others who have posted in this discussion. (And since when must a discussion stick strictly only to the original point?) > It's reasonable to discuss >Hollyoowd films in a classroom. It's not reasonable to complain >that they should all be made differently to support your teaching. Who has made that complaint? Can you quote the post? Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 22:57:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2vc5Z021949 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:57:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P2vUoY000898; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:57:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2vJvi057275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2vGgP084907; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ip-216-17-243-8.rev.frii.com [216.17.243.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2fjcw074134 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from raelee@rachelsampsel.com) Received: from crom (dhcp12 [172.16.5.12]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3P3FI623607 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:15:19 -0600 Message-Id: <200604250315.k3P3FI623607@localhost.localdomain> From: "raelee" To: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:51:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZm/8hPBtBp3OmmTZOWgDTxZ2p/swBEfLAg In-Reply-To: <200604231800.k3NI0El8030531@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Firefly resources - costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:57:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D901A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=431e5884d356e http://www.browncoats.com/index.php?ContentID=431e4b510641f I seem to recall someone posting that they used a basic "frock coat" pattern from the "old west" or civil war era for the coat of Malcom Reynolds. But I can't find the link now. I know I rat-holed it, but I think the LAN pixies rifled my files for nesting material again (curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!) Patches _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 23:13:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3DHhE022326 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:13:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P3D914026916; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3ChE0058657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3Cf5T094964; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3CTD7094845 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3cd.136dcf7 (2612) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:12:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3cd.136dcf7.317eed91@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:12:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:13:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D93C5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:43:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: But I also don't think cultural survival is purely a Darwinian matter of "survival of the fittest." ******************** Depends on that constitutes "fittest" ....but I get your point. Things beloved today will fade into obscurity and stuff the critics panned will be seen as genius....in some cases. But popularity has nothing to do with "art", and the things that do survive do so because they are exceptional in some way....even when they were 1st done....and even as they pass through that period where they are considered "old fashion". For instance, Handel operas were STILL amazing even when they were thought, as they were for centuries, unperformable. Even then selected arias and instrumentals were in the rep. Or for instance...my mother used to think of Maxfield Parish as advertising art....which, y'know, it was....but it sure was a cut above. So things that survive have a certain standing, even in their own day. We've discussed this before. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, but there are some criteria for "art". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 23:17:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3HBgf022431 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:17:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P3H17Z030172; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3GopE058959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3GlXN097685; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3Gg5e097583 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d7.72caa0 (2612) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d7.72caa0.317eee92@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:16:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D94AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 9:42:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: Hang on...is this thread about Mel Gibson being good (in which case we call him an Australian) or something bad (in which case he is an American)? ****************** Ummm...yes. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 23:18:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3IcMg022479 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:18:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P3ITXR004770; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:18:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3IGv7059108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3IDV7098670; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:18:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3I6HV098514 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.287.97e662f (2612) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <287.97e662f.317eeee3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:17:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:18:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D9505.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 9:53:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mooncat@in-tch.com writes: That said, I did catch a bit of the end on television just this past year--the bit where the boat is sinking. Wonderful imagery. And all of those survivors, who died of exposure, floating frozen in that water--for some reason, it really haunts me. I'm going to rent it some weekend, despite the romance.... ******************** Mr. Cameron is a jerk and a madman....but he can throw up a powerful image every once in a while. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 23:25:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3PRq5022686 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:25:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P3PJla004392; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3P6E3059915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3P4UV003592; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3P0Mh003475 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.294.9aa855f (2612) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:24:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <294.9aa855f.317ef083@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:24:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: titanic extra costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:25:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D969F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 10:52:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: Anyway, the way I recall it, most of the original garments were bought to reproduce, not to use, and none of them were drowned with the cast. ***************** But real clothes are used all the time in films & TV...used and abused. I mean we put the petit Jasmine Guy in a real 1830s gown in the miniseries "Queen". I'll bet they did drown many a teens gown! You remember the story of all those real 20s dresses going in the pool in "The Great Gatsby" don't you? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 23:35:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3ZAr9023165 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:35:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P3Z2Zb011805; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:35:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3YlxD060827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3Yjsq010009; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3YfrO009915 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.385.1c4177b (2612) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:34:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <385.1c4177b.317ef2c8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:34:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:35:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D98E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 10:53:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: think we are all too critical about costume work in films. The director-- and sometimes the STARS have a majority of things to say about what is worn. *************** This can be tricky. Especially when they hire the producers niece or girlfriend to do the costumes....something that seems to happen in America more than Europe. Sometimes the actors are just looking out for themselves. If you have a top notch designer, as many period films do, smart actors, art directors, directors and producers just let them do their work. I don't think we're too hard on film. I mean they're spending a fortune! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 24 23:38:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3cc7c023235 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:38:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P3cReV014116; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:38:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3cBQa061459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3c9ZP012583; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P3c6VW012512 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FYENJ-0007lE-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:38:05 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060424174436.02a8a7a8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:46:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200604240224.k3O2O7dG069048@net.indra.com> References: <200604240224.k3O2O7dG069048@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Historical Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:38:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444D99B3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:24 PM 4/23/2006, you wrote: >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:59:41 -0700 >From: Lavolta Press >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > > > The problem, as I said, "is when audiences believe what they see in > > films". The solution to that is to try to get more people to understand > > the nature of films -- such as that they are inevitably inaccurate -- > > and thus the appropriate and inappropriate uses of films, and to stop > > using them inappropriately, specifically, to stop using them as if they > > were reliable sources of historical information. > >I think most modern people have both a healthy skeptism about >advertising, and an awareness that fiction (including films) is not reality. Is that why so many people think that the DaVinci Code is real history? or has even a passing resemblance to real history? I think most people really don't have a clue and don't care to have one. Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 00:54:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4sTeV026112 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:54:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P4sIKl022732; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:54:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4s04G071460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4rrm1061727; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4rnC5061685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.105] (209-148-123-105.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3P4rkxe009008 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:53:48 -0700 Message-ID: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:53:45 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film References: <279.89e395c.317eb335@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <279.89e395c.317eb335@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:54:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DAB7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought that too. Speaking of dumb decisions, I just saw "Last of the Mohicans." I could believe it when the Indian said he was the "last" at the end, because almost everybody else in the film had gotten colorfully killed. That's what the whole film was about. But anyway: Here are two teenage girls fresh out from England, with the frontiersman Hawkeye and his adoptive Mohican father and brother, escorting the girls to their father's fort. They get near the fort, sneaking up through the woods at night, and discover from distance that it's under siege. The area around it looks and sounds like the Fourth of July. (I know they didn't have the Fourth of July then, well they did but it wasn't the Fourth of July; well you know what I mean.) At this point I would have turned around to my guides and said, "You know this area, is there anyplace we can hole up safely till this battle is all over?" No--they go right in! I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like this. But in the film, I thought they were idiots. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > I thought. "Hey....couldn't your daughter use that?!" > > Well Rose couldn't make a decent decision in 1912, why would she now? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 00:56:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4u8XB026163 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:56:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P4u0kt019997; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:56:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4tlOm071586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4tlN4062889; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P4thst062846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.105] (209-148-123-105.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.105]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3P4tgXx006454 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:55:42 -0700 Message-ID: <444DABCE.9000105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:55:42 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D3689.7020509@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:56:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DABE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This list is not a social situation. But in social situations, it's pretty obnoxious to go around as the superior person teaching everyone whether they like it or not. Fran Sharon L. Krossa wrote: > At 1:35 PM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Good examples of "teaching." My point is, as I said in another >> message, that I don't think a social venue is appropriate for this >> sort of thing. People seem to be talking about "teaching" without >> making it clear whether they are in a classroom or not. > > > Is teaching banned outside of classrooms, then? What a pity -- but in > that case, I guess this mailing list should be shut down. Wouldn't want > to encourage any illicit teaching and learning! > > Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 01:25:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P5PcuN027141 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:25:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P5PUL7004186; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P5PH01074470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P5PFk2081096; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3P5P8Ei081009 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 77560 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 05:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAX.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@65.125.64.176 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 05:25:01 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060425002227.019611b8@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:24:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> References: <279.89e395c.317eb335@aol.com> <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DB2CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:53 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: >I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like >this. But in the film, I thought they were idiots. Actually, the book is so different from that movie that you could call them two different stories with people who share the same names. Genie (Who loves that fact that it's the older daughter who falls in love with the Indian son. Hawkeye finds his love, if I understand correctly, in another book.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 02:09:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P69LPr031556 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P69Dxa025567; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P64g4t077408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:04:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P64bCb003972; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P64YPj003908 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aviendiora@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id v1so1140195nzb for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:04:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nXCvu5/FC/v/SV1qIxc/kTm4x17AUOcqEjg6l5m/UzK8uq/MF9ygwmai6is3lYC62p/Zb6Qs5/c02F/wp3MigavVRGutrBjIX6OlySBf3siObAhKi28ZSBYP3hKWBcDLqewPrpC3d+H1j2WCblnzGKSEFaPGmMlXLcVgN98YXPw= Received: by 10.36.72.8 with SMTP id u8mr37868nza; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.158.4 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:04:33 -0700 From: Avien To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Firefly browncoat In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DBD09.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3P69LPr031556 Status: RO I wouldn't worry about using something else. This was my first leather project and while I think there are some things I would change, it was very easy. I made a mock-up first and then cut right into it. I don't have any pics of it to show you but leather really is quite easy to work with. I'm planning all kinds of leather things just because the coat turned out so well. Good luck! > > > As it is, if I ever get to this project, I'd have to use ultrasuede or > similar - I've never worked with leather and if I'm not certain of the > pattern it would be a very expensive mistake if I made one! > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 02:10:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6AFGi031917 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:10:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P6A6cE030350; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rvs7056696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P2rupb082362; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 20:53:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3OMT14J092635 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ed.2b8c8f (57293) for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3ed.2b8c8f.317eab24@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:28:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:10:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DBD3E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/24/2006 6:23:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: They could discuss what's > right and what isn't, Sigh, if they get the point! For two semesters, I had my students watch the 1940s "Pride and Prejudice," costumed by Adrian in exaggerated 1830s styles, and asked them "what's wrong with this picture," assuming that the costumes should have been contemporary with when it was published (I know, I know--we just got into that recently--1790s vs 1810s; but still, both very different from 1830s). I didn't tell them when it was published, and maybe that was the problem--they didn't bother to find out. Anyway, no one caught that the 1830s silhouette was very different from the 1810s one!! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 02:28:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6S5W9006470 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:28:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P6RsEu004250; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:27:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6RbVQ080100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6Rabb019389; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6RWAm019357 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:27:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.89.24] (helo=[192.168.0.6]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYH1H-0006gd-42 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:27:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <444DABCE.9000105@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D3689.7020509@lavoltapress.com> <444DABCE.9000105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:27:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc21c5bd23097d210d47d6d51c4cf0a91b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.89.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:27:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DC16A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 9:55 PM -0700 4/24/06, Lavolta Press wrote: >This list is not a social situation. But in social situations, it's >pretty obnoxious to go around as the superior person teaching >everyone whether they like it or not. Who in this discussion has advocated "in social situations" going "around as the superior person teaching everyone whether they like it or not"? Please quote the post. Sharon, getting a little tired of all the straw men... -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 02:29:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6T3C4006833 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:29:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P6SsHL000899; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:28:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6ShEg080210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6SgCx020059; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P6ScEi019952 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FYH2H-0003wB-00 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:28:33 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <377.1aa8439.317e7491@aol.com> References: <377.1aa8439.317e7491@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <109d8b37be96bf4b91acbd7203da5e53@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Hype will go on..... Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:29:48 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:28:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DC1A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, all, I'm de-lurking for just a moment, On 25/04/2006, at 4:36 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Now I must be fare > > > ************** > > Oops....FAIR! > > I suppose I don't mind being fare either. Go ahead! Tear into me! I > love > hearing from people who disagree with me. How else am I ever gonna > learn > anything? > Don't be too hard on yourself! After all (as Thomas Jefferson was reputed to have said), "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word." Or something to that effect! :-D Beth Schoenberg ---- in sunny downtown Kambah, Canberra, where we've been having an absolutely gorgeous autumn day, which will probably be followed this evening by the magic smell of wood-smoke, 'cuz it's gonna get cold tonight! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 03:01:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P71nMb019001 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P71f6j023239; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:01:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P70JbB083253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P70G8Y041009; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P70DDn040954 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3P6xRbi024537 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:59:27 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7053m155470 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:00:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060424233759.03c0f8b8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 23:59:40 -0700 To: h-cost From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:01:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DC955.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >If the Eagle one is too late, how 'bout using the workmans breeches in >"Costume Close-Up", the Williamsburg book? It's something about not owning that book... Today I took a look at the Simplicity "Caribbean Adventure" (#4923) pattern guide sheet, and even tho that pattern is way cheaper on sale, has more garments in the package, and has a trousers pattern cut pretty much like what I want, it doesn't have all the snobby little details the Kannick's one (#KK4303) does, like the extra waistband buttons and the "watch pocket". CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 03:56:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7u2jL026802 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:56:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P7trcA023621; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:55:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7tYWV087816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7tUuY075070; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7tNV4074993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3OJpltL032656 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:52:00 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55051.72.13.239.193.1145908320.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:55:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DD609.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > One of the things good teachers do, in addition to teaching how to > evaluate evidence logically, is teach about evaluating sources. > Movies, by their very nature, are not good or reliable sources. Definitely! My first Costume History teacher, Fran Mayhew at the University of Delaware, made a point of using several sources and looking out for the inaccuracies in the source. Regarding movies, one friend assigned a project of reporting on the costumes from a movie of their choice. They could discuss what's right and what isn't, and perhaps also track down the original sources for specific costumes - portraits and the like. At the region 6 Costume Society of America meeting, they had (and will have again) "Hollywood Huzzas and Howlers". People could bring their favorite Best & Worst of film costume. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 03:57:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7vXeC026920 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:57:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P7vPnX014856; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7vFLN087953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7vE4U076070; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P7vAjM076018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:57:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3OGJTcn025089 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:19:38 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53589.72.13.239.193.1145895578.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:57:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DD665.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin wrote, > (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the > Madonna and Child isn't really Mary Magdalen and her baby by Jesus?) Sample answer - what difference does it make when you're discussing the clothing? I'm guessing your lecture is to help sort out the real clothing of the time period vs. the icons or identifiers of the saints that were not "real" clothes. Once I figured that out I stopped carrying around the dish of eyeballs at SCA events. > No, it's not the majority of people in the room, but it only takes a few > to derail the entire conversation. Well, exactly, it takes time away from your lecture when people want to natter about a tangent. As I recall, Robin, you're very good at getting the focus back on track! In this case, I don't see it as the movie or book presenting "wrong" information so much as introducing another possibility. Something that interests a lot of people, but does not involve costume questions. Pick any public trial - no matter what the jury ultimately says, we all have our own opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendant. And it does not change any facts about what they were wearing. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 04:10:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8AKff029390 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:10:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P8ACkf000521; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:10:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P89HdR088857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P89Gi7083049; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P89BSO083007 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7F318DA02D2; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:04:03 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:09:13 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c6683f$8a29ee70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3f7.17f50f.317e3e4f@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO very well done! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 7:45 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films: fact vs. fiction In a message dated 4/24/2006 7:52:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD4OnHCRd_4 Hysterical! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 04:14:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8E0oL030480 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:14:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P8DqnU004152; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8DdmR089214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8DAHl085439; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8D4V1085397 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8D3C5A02B8; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:47 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c66840$0f691b60$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <322.307f142.317e510b@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I, too, didn't see "Titanic", but I knew how it ended anyway. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:04 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:46:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: but...If you don't like his stuff there is an option not to go. People have different criteria of what they enjoy. (This is why my husband loves "Hellboy" and I prefer "Pride and Prejudice".) It's theater!! For example, Mel Gibson's tight breeches in "The Patriot" are totally wrong but, as a professional designer friend of mine pointed out, most people these days associate baggy pants with comedy. So you can't put your action hero into them and expect him to be taken seriously. I didn't see "The Patriot," so don't have a personal opinion. One film I can speak to is "The Buccaneer." I do War of 1812 interpretation. This movie has totally made-up characters or people who are shown much older than they were, and plays fast and loose with the actual narrative. Jean Lafitte, for example, was not on the field at the Battle of New Orleans at all. But, all that said, and the costumes not so great either, I think the film was a hoot! Highly entertaining. Charleton Heston's portrayal of Andrew Jackson seems to have become the norm (kind of like Rhett Butler--can you imagine anyone other than Clark Gable playing him? But at least he wasn't a real historical character). And then you have films like "Becket" and "The Lion in Winter," about actual people but adapted from literary works about them, not from the original history. So you have another layer of interpretation added in. Same with "Desiree," based on a historical novel, but I loved Marlon Brando as Napoleon. I DID refuse to see "Titanic"--couldn't take what I had heard on the liberties with the story (a friend of mine who went to see it with her teenaged daughter found the leads so obnoxious that she was rooting for the North Atlantic). I think "A Night to Remember" tried to get the story right, but I haven't seen it in years, so I might hate it now. I guess the issue of whether people get their history from movies, though, is one that will always be with us. But how many of these people are going to study "real" history at all? Take classes, read books, etc. Those that do, can be re-taught. Those that don't will wander around in happy ignorance, but wouldn't they be even more ignorant if they hadn't seen the film(s)? You can argue that it is better for them to know nothing at all than to know it wrong, I guess. But if it DOES spark a real interest, well, isn't that worthwhile? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 04:15:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8FPYm030816 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:15:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P8FH2d018671; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:15:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8Er5g089400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:14:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8Eq7m086297; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8EkDu086226 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:14:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27024 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:49:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:49:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In-Reply-To: <53589.72.13.239.193.1145895578.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:15:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DDA95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > > (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the > > Madonna and Child isn't really Mary Magdalen and her baby by Jesus?) > > Sample answer - what difference does it make when you're > discussing the clothing? I'm guessing your lecture is to help sort > out the real clothing of the time period vs. the icons or identifiers > of the saints that were not "real" clothes. Once I figured that out I > stopped carrying around the dish of eyeballs at SCA events. Actually, it does matter how you identify a saint, because certain elements (but not all) are typically symbolic for certain saints, and they're not always the same ones. The question of "real vs. unreal" images is only the beginning -- the next issue is whether any elements of the "unreal" images can be useful in costume research, and if so, how you can use them and what safeguards you need to apply. But, um, that's a whole lecture just to give a taste of this. Anyway, Magdalen often has some of the coolest clothing around, and Mary has a very specific wardrobe, and the two of them together account for probably a majority of female religious images in the Middle Ages, so it's important to distinguish which one is which! And working in the other direction, often the clothing is part of our clue to identification. This is a large part of that lecture. So part of my answer to someone who wants to try to read an image of Mary as being Magdalen has to do with how we use the clothing symbols to make the distinction ... and in this case, the questioner wondered whether the artist was using the clothing either to mask the real identity of the woman in the portrait, or else to provide clues to it. So you see, it did directly relate to costume study, and to my lecture topic. But it's a question that I never would have had to address if some people didn't have it in their heads that there was a conspiracy in the period to hide a whole community of people following a different religious truth. I rather wish that Dan Brown had picked a saint who wasn't quite so central to costume study. Say, Mary of Egypt. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 04:20:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8KbDl000537 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:20:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P8KTGD008118; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:20:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8JEjO089780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:19:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8JC9Y089022; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:19:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8J3bw088904 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA3F9D8038C; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:13:51 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c66840$e8d9eeb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <444D5441.9040909@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3P8J3bw088904 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:20:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DDBCD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I did a report on the sinking of the Titanic in school once and was appalled at the stories--like the one where an upper crust matron refused to let lower class people into her lifeboat, resulting in a boat that could hold 40 had only 14. I don't know if this is true, but it's possible, given the snobbishness of some people. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film Considering how many people tragically died on the Titanic, and considering that something is known about the more upper-crust ones at least, I was amazed the producers didn't use a real story with main characters who were really there. I once read an amazing account of the sinking by a telegraph operator who stayed almost to the end, but survived because he was picked up by an overloaded lifeboat crewed by passengers so nautically clueless he'd had to help them get the lifeboat off the deck earlier (they felt they owed him one). And there must be other memoirs too. I refused to see the film for a long time because of the lack of a "real" story, but I did eventually. I thought it was OK, although Rose and Jack were too sappy. At the end of the film, when she drops the megadiamond into the ocean, I thought, "She's had this thing for decades and _still_ hasn't figured out how to fence it?" The clothes weren't perfect, but they weren't bad. I've had a lightweight wool 1910s women's suit around for years, meaning to reline it, that is almost exactly like one Rose or her mother (I forget which) was wearing to get on board the ship. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > I thought the clothes were great, and the cinematography was fab...the > plot on the otherhand left a bit to be desired. > > Kelly _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 04:27:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8RQeO001906 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:27:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P8RIf0012057; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:27:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8PtUg090586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8Pl95093192; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P8Phgt093153 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABBA26E3005E; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:20:10 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:27:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DDD66.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I drive my family nuts saying stuff like" Why doesn't he/she do ......?" My husband says,"Then the movie'd be 15 minutes long." We just have to suspend our disbelief and enjoy the show. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film I thought that too. Speaking of dumb decisions, I just saw "Last of the Mohicans." I could believe it when the Indian said he was the "last" at the end, because almost everybody else in the film had gotten colorfully killed. That's what the whole film was about. But anyway: Here are two teenage girls fresh out from England, with the frontiersman Hawkeye and his adoptive Mohican father and brother, escorting the girls to their father's fort. They get near the fort, sneaking up through the woods at night, and discover from distance that it's under siege. The area around it looks and sounds like the Fourth of July. (I know they didn't have the Fourth of July then, well they did but it wasn't the Fourth of July; well you know what I mean.) At this point I would have turned around to my guides and said, "You know this area, is there anyplace we can hole up safely till this battle is all over?" No--they go right in! I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like this. But in the film, I thought they were idiots. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > I thought. "Hey....couldn't your daughter use that?!" > > Well Rose couldn't make a decent decision in 1912, why would she now? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 05:02:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P925tG008759 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:02:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P91u6K004764; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P91f6V093639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P91cls015096; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P91Z9g015048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3OKuQL8012743 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:56:29 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55431.72.13.239.193.1145912189.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DE584.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > And, we are wandering from the original point, which was "Hollywood > should make more accurate films." Yes, I know. That's why I altered the subject line. > It's reasonable to discuss Hollywood > films in a classroom. It's not reasonable to complain that they should > all be made differently to support your teaching. Whether in the classroom, symposium, or casual conversation, the key is documentation. It's ineresting to discuss what we see in a painting, and how we see details differently. And it's interesting to see how other people (including movie costumers) interpret something. There are lots of things I've seen over the years where I can't remember the source. Was it an original? A well-researched book? Something worn by another reenactor? Or even (yikes!) in a movie. If I can't cite the source at the time, and I can't find it, then I have to accept that the information will not back up my opinion. It doesn't matter if my memory is seeing the item in a museum, with accurate provenance, or if it's a movie that's 95% fantasy. If that is the first thing people learn in the classroom, then nobody has to un-teach anything. It's a matter of finding the source and sharing it. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 05:04:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P94l1x009311 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:04:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P94dQI006859; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:04:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P94TY9094265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P94SG9016777; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P94O1n016729 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.76]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F27C2628A6 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001901c66847$4c37f460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c667de$168bf730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060425003110.01e1b930@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:04:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:04:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DE627.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Is this your examin of old stays, that you say they are thin? When you look at Hogarts prints, and you sometimes see a pair of stays lying alone on the floor, they are shaped like the body, and i would say, its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would this not provide heavier boning? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > At 21:31 24/04/2006, you wrote: >>Hello, >>I am in the middle of making the 1740- 50 stays from -Corsets and >>Crinolines. My client is a very small person. >>In making the internal boning, that is shaping the stays i wondered if any >>here know how thick those would have ben? >>I am a little concerned that my client might be heard from the bones i >>have >>made internal. >>You can see the stays here: >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >>I am going to line the stays with a layer of linnen, but i thoaght perhaps >>i >>should make some padding over the internal bones? > > > Bjarne > > This would have been thin slices of whalebone, which is flexible. The > German boning is more rigid than true whalebone. I used Rigilene, which is > what I make all my pre Victorian corsets with, plus a few rigid steels > centre front and down the back lacing. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 05:17:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9HD67013211 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:17:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P9H5IY015518; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:17:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9Fvwd097763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9FtN3023824; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9FpH0023770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:15:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 852B7D414F; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9043FD4017 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:15:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:15:09 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000a01c66848$d5b87f10$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <200604241402.k3OE2fGK030579@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: brass buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:17:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DE911.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We don't carry buttons, I'm afraid, Carolyn. Sorry. However, if you're interested in learning true period correct details, you might want to consider the 1812 Civilian list at yahoo groups. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 05:21:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9L1nc013733 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:21:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3P9Krmf018456; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:20:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9JiFH098833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3P9JiUJ026025; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3P9JecW025928 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25416 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 09:19:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 09:19:34 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425101334.01e1f0d0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays In-Reply-To: <001901c66847$4c37f460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001501c667de$168bf730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060425003110.01e1b930@127.0.0.1> <001901c66847$4c37f460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:20:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444DE9F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:04 25/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >Is this your examin of old stays, that you say they are thin? >When you look at Hogarts prints, and you sometimes see a pair of >stays lying alone on the floor, they are shaped like the body, and i >would say, its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would >this not provide heavier boning? Not entirely - I have some real whalebone, which dates from the 1940's probably, and which is very flexible. I think the shape is due to the construction - maybe the lining is a tiny bit smaller than the outside, which would cause the "bowed" effect, and the bones are there to reinforce rather than to actually shape? I have seen corsets that sit in that shape, but I was not able to handle them at that time. You could also make the tape that holds the horizontal bones slightly too short, which would also help to hold the corset in that curved shape. (Similar to making panniers or bustle, only nowhere near so exaggerated!) I'll go and look at my photos again, and see if I have any of insides - I am pretty sure there are some, but they may not be the same style of corset. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 07:08:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PB8aIk003241 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:08:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PB8SGb002266; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:08:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PB7t6w020874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PB7llh091341; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PB7h4P091311 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:07:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV21.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:07:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060424194245.ZZSG10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> <1d3f01c66803$11caece0$0c01a8c0@Faran> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:39 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 11:07:42.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[7951E9E0:01C66858] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E032C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell >at > the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK UP >THE AMMO/WEAPON", > as > the good guy runs around ect... Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen..."Close the damn door!" When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to door open, to be closed miraculously by someone else! It is getting better though, and so too are costumes in movies. Could you imagine if Hollywood were still costuming the way it did in the 1950's, then those 1810 dresses would have waistlines down around the hipline with gaps to show off the pierced midriff. ;-) I think it's because the public is becomming better educated about costume history, I also think that it will get better in the future too. Costume Literature has jumped tenfold since I left University, so have the skill levels of the majority of students. People are pushing themselves further and further, trying to find out how those garments were made and worn in history, not just trying to capture a look. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 07:12:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBCicE003349 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:12:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PBCaPh005296; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:12:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBCOdU021156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBCNLc094096; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PBCJ50093983 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 63414 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 11:12:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t9sE6/PpqnwxiZ77qrmf3Xw1U4xuscDhCGhtw1ZH64b+kCWncylpMTFl9iLHmEG+vRgnpg8RlzLRxr5+DRAujvn7N3u2BW5RBXnjbIaaO3GTJwvlLINPq6/HdsX1Twxdbvw5iopXkq9/p/E+vNLCLsde3AcEouiGyJVSWnzHPQM= ; Message-ID: <20060425111213.63412.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:12:13 BST Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:12:13 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays - rigiline To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604250923.k3P9Lkgn027162@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:12:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E0424.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Suzi, Bjarne and others who do stays I'm debating whether to use the plastic whalebone or rigilene: while the narrowness of the whalebone gives what looks to me like a very authentic appearance (with the narrow rows of stitching) it is a) a bit more expensive and b) more work. Rigilene however has ths tendency to flip out of shape, especially over the tummy: do you find (Suzi) that one or two flat steels (rather than spirals) at the front is enough to keep it flat? Do you stitch half way down each piece of rigilene (which would give you a 'channel' of around 5-6mm, like the plastic whalebone)? I'm intrigued, having specialised in victorian corsets so far (and putting off the regency ones because trapunto just looks, um, complicated!) Thanks again, Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. http://uk.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 07:30:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBUDrO003820 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:30:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PBU5JD016511; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBTq5P022517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBTpI6004814; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBTla0004738 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E426130B50 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:29:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-120-205.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-120-205.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.120.205]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:29:33 +1000 Message-ID: <1145964573.444e081dba6b0@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:29:33 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! 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Status: RO > > Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen... I have been known to sit up back during The Sound of Music and, at the appropriate moment, shout, "They're behind the tombstone...!" -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 07:52:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBqEsP004301 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PBq5Zr031682; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBoDKp023882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBo3NG017970; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PBnskv017814 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48757 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 11:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 11:49:48 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425124349.01e27f90@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:49:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays - rigiline In-Reply-To: <20060425111213.63412.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <200604250923.k3P9Lkgn027162@net.indra.com> <20060425111213.63412.qmail@web25705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E0D65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:12 25/04/2006, you wrote: >Dear Suzi, Bjarne and others who do stays > >I'm debating whether to use the plastic whalebone or >rigilene: while the narrowness of the whalebone gives >what looks to me like a very authentic appearance >(with the narrow rows of stitching) You can buy narrow Rigilene. > it is a) a bit >more expensive and b) more work. Rigilene however has >ths tendency to flip out of shape, especially over the >tummy: do you find (Suzi) that one or two flat steels >(rather than spirals) at the front is enough to keep >it flat? Yes, I do. Depending on the shape of the corset it can be up to 5 rigid steels. (Tudor needs 5 for example.) >Do you stitch half way down each piece of >rigilene (which would give you a 'channel' of around >5-6mm, like the plastic whalebone)? No, stitch down either side, then thread the steels into the channels made that way. My customers are not fixated on the "narrow" channel look as no-one gets to see it anyway, and if they do, they are not about the get out a measuring tape and complain the channels are too wide (lol) (Or they'd better not!) The rigilene does eventually de-form, but you can help prevent this by using some stiffener under the Rigilene, like iron-on canvas, or even just another layer of canvas. (Mine usually come back for a replacement of steels about every 5-10 years!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 07:59:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBxfSn004441 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:59:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PBxWAt004801; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBxJqR024653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBxH2U024311; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PBxC2a024213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 05:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-81-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.81]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PBx9fX018604 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:59:11 +1000 Message-ID: <006b01c6685f$a9afa440$51f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <53589.72.13.239.193.1145895578.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:59:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:59:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E0F25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > Robin wrote, >> (Sample question: How can I be sure that such-and-so-image of the >> Madonna and Child isn't really Mary Magdalen and her baby by Jesus?) > > Sample answer - what difference does it make when you're discussing > the clothing? I'm guessing your lecture is to help sort out the real > clothing of the time period vs. the icons or identifiers of the > saints that were not "real" clothes. Once I figured that out I > stopped carrying around the dish of eyeballs at SCA events. > Ah, you see my sample answer would have been 'because it pre-dates Dan Brown and in the Medieval period you could have been killed for saying what he said' several schisms were eradicated (usually by violent means) for saying much less controversial things than Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PC78ep004635 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PC70vj010860; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PC6fNq025223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PC6edc029545; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PC6Zgv029469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-81-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.81]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PC6X9W011293 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:06:35 +1000 Message-ID: <008f01c66860$b23cdc80$51f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060424194245.ZZSG10730.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net><1d3f01c66803$11caece0$0c01a8c0@Faran> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! >> but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell >at >> the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK UP >THE AMMO/WEAPON", >> as >> the good guy runs around ect... > > Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen..."Close the damn door!" > When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to door open, to be closed > miraculously by someone else! > It's not just costumers/historians who tell fictional characters when they're wrong, my Mum's a nurse and you can't get through any sort of medical drama without learning where they have taken liberties with the facts. 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Status: RO > Message: 12 > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:35 +0100 > From: Suzi Clarke > Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425101334.01e1f0d0@127.0.0.1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 10:04 25/04/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Suzi, >>Is this your examin of old stays, that you say they are thin? >>When you look at Hogarts prints, and you sometimes see a pair of >>stays lying alone on the floor, they are shaped like the body, and i >>would say, its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would >>this not provide heavier boning? > > > Not entirely - I have some real whalebone, which dates from the > 1940's probably, and which is very flexible. I think the shape is due > to the construction - maybe the lining is a tiny bit smaller than the > outside, which would cause the "bowed" effect, and the bones are > there to reinforce rather than to actually shape? I have seen corsets > that sit in that shape, but I was not able to handle them at that time. > > You could also make the tape that holds the horizontal bones slightly > too short, which would also help to hold the corset in that curved > shape. (Similar to making panniers or bustle, only nowhere near so > exaggerated!) > > I'll go and look at my photos again, and see if I have any of insides > - I am pretty sure there are some, but they may not be the same style > of corset. > I'm sure I've read somewhere (Corsets and Crinolines perhaps?) about some 18th century stays being steamed into shape. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:17:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCHwRN004845 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:17:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCHmS9020098; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:17:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCHJKv025968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCHHYC037184; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCBxvl033400 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip04.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.20]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IYA00JF41W49VW0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:12:04 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip04.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:11:54 -0300 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:11:47 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays To: Historical Costume Message-id: <003d01c66861$6e39b570$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <001501c667de$168bf730$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060425003110.01e1b930@127.0.0.1> <001901c66847$4c37f460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:17:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E136C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am not Suzi, but when I interned at Jamestown I also got to play in the Yorktown Collection. There was a pair of extant stays that were of similar construction and definately 18th c. but cut more like C&C page 40 but still like the 1740's - almost wall-to wall whalebone with the cross boning. All this boning was done internally with no exterior boning casings for the cross pieces - although an external casing could have been used before the lining layer - but observed from a frayed edge, there were more layers that made up the corset that I would have thought which would either account for an additional layer for these channels or that they relined right over the original lining, another possibility as there was obvious wear along the tabs and evidence that it had been relined.. The thickness of the bones varied slightly with the thickest being almost 1/4" (0.6cm) and I am talking thickness of the bone not width. The width was an almost uniform 1/4" (0.6 cm). The stays were bound in linen but in the armpit area they had been unevenly patched with leather looking remarkably like modern dress shields in shape. As my landlady/roommate worked at Colonial Williamsburg I was aware of their facilities so after asking we were able to take the stays to CW to get them Xrayed so see if we were right about the full boning- that was really cool. Sarah Paterson > Hi Suzi, > Is this your examin of old stays, that you say they are thin? > When you look at Hogarts prints, and you sometimes see a pair of stays > lying alone on the floor, they are shaped like the body, and i would say, > its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would this not provide > heavier boning? > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > > >> At 21:31 24/04/2006, you wrote: >>>Hello, >>>I am in the middle of making the 1740- 50 stays from -Corsets and >>>Crinolines. My client is a very small person. >>>In making the internal boning, that is shaping the stays i wondered if >>>any >>>here know how thick those would have ben? >>>I am a little concerned that my client might be heard from the bones i >>>have >>>made internal. >>>You can see the stays here: >>>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >>>I am going to line the stays with a layer of linnen, but i thoaght >>>perhaps i >>>should make some padding over the internal bones? >> >> >> Bjarne >> >> This would have been thin slices of whalebone, which is flexible. The >> German boning is more rigid than true whalebone. I used Rigilene, which >> is what I make all my pre Victorian corsets with, plus a few rigid steels >> centre front and down the back lacing. >> >> Suzi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:23:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCNPCJ004965 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:23:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCNH0o025543; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:23:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCMwfd026410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCMudY041044; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PCMldc040927 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 30338 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 12:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 12:22:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425132044.01e24cc0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:22:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays In-Reply-To: <002201c66861$74fef460$21eb443d@GILGAMESH> References: <200604250923.k3P9Lkgn027162@net.indra.com> <002201c66861$74fef460$21eb443d@GILGAMESH> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:23:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E14B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:11 25/04/2006, you wrote: >>Message: 12 >>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:35 +0100 >>From: Suzi Clarke >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays >>To: Historical Costume >>Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425101334.01e1f0d0@127.0.0.1> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>At 10:04 25/04/2006, you wrote: >>>Hi Suzi, >>>Is this your examin of old stays, that you say they are thin? >>>When you look at Hogarts prints, and you sometimes see a pair of >>>stays lying alone on the floor, they are shaped like the body, and >>>i would say, its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. >>>Would this not provide heavier boning? >> >>Not entirely - I have some real whalebone, which dates from the >>1940's probably, and which is very flexible. I think the shape is >>due to the construction - maybe the lining is a tiny bit smaller >>than the outside, which would cause the "bowed" effect, and the >>bones are there to reinforce rather than to actually shape? I have >>seen corsets that sit in that shape, but I was not able to handle >>them at that time. >>You could also make the tape that holds the horizontal bones >>slightly too short, which would also help to hold the corset in >>that curved shape. (Similar to making panniers or bustle, only >>nowhere near so exaggerated!) >>I'll go and look at my photos again, and see if I have any of >>insides - I am pretty sure there are some, but they may not be the >>same style of corset. >I'm sure I've read somewhere (Corsets and Crinolines perhaps?) about >some 18th century stays being steamed into shape. >Claire Victorian stays were definitely steamed into shape over a body form. "The Symington Collection" catalogue, from the Museum in Leicester, shows this quite clearly. However, I don't remember that 18th century stays were steamed, but I could be wrong. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:33:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCXZHS005173 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:33:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCXRTX001936; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:33:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCXCjK027637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCXARO048548; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCX6Gb048452 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.227.9f29658 (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:32:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <227.9f29658.317f70fb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:32:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:33:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E1717.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 12:54:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: because almost everybody else in the film had gotten colorfully killed. ******************* All the major characters I made the costumes for die horribly....Cpt. Heyward [the escort], Col. Monroe [the girl's father], The Camerons [family burned in the cabin]...and lots of colonial women in the massacre. Sigh. I think they go into the fort because 1) they are being chased 2)they don't really know they are loosing the siege....they think reinforcements are coming. and 3) They are in the middle of nowhere...and I mean nowhere. The fort is the only "civilization" around. Read the book if you can. Cooper is a nightmare! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:35:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCZmcr005209 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:35:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCZeWM003887; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:35:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCZPtS027980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCZPr6050225; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCZLMM050081 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3PCZDh25558.; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:35:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:35:13 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:35:04 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3PCZLMM050081 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:35:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E179C.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>> fran@lavoltapress.com 24/04/2006 23:42 >>> >Considering how many people tragically died on the Titanic, and >considering that something is known about the more upper-crust ones at >least, I was amazed the producers didn't use a real story with main >characters who were really there. ______________________________________________________________________ I heard the British actor Martin Jarvis say exactly the same thing on the radio - that there were such amazing true stories known about Titanic passengers that he wondered why they had bothered to invent a fictional one. Kate Bunting (who hasn't seen the film either) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:39:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCdi3i005272 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:39:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCdagL007585; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:39:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCdDt1028394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:39:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCdBLF053015; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:39:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCd7fD052881 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2e9.5ed94ad (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2e9.5ed94ad.317f7262@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:38:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:39:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E1888.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:02:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, aquazoo@patriot.net writes: Pick any public trial - no matter what the jury ultimately says, we all have our own opinion on the guilt or innocence of the defendant. And it does not change any facts about what they were wearing. ****************** Unless maybe if it's a pair of gloves. "If the glove don't fit....you must acquit." Ay-yay-yay! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:41:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCfdhV005305 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCfV85001184; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:41:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCfKKK028634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCfJpu054688; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCfFfT054644 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.76]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 08120A50093 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:41:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c66865$a03521a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200604250923.k3P9Lkgn027162@net.indra.com><002201c66861$74fef460$21eb443d@GILGAMESH> <6.2.3.4.0.20060425132044.01e24cc0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:41:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E18FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Yes, they also steamed the bones in 18th century, acording to Janet Arnold. I can bend my wissner boning, so that it gets a curved shape, and it works nicely i think. Anyway, i replaced the thick 2 mm. bones inside with thinner bones 1mm. Its the more soft plastic boning i used for them. And speaking of it, i actually have finished the stays now! If you would like to have a look: Next time i have time for it, i think i will try to make a tape dress stand with a mock up pair of stays inside, to get the right shape. Its so annoying with the modern dress stands, they are no use at all........... http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm Dear Sarah, thanks for your very informative informations, ill keep this in mind! Bjarne -----riginal Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > At 13:11 25/04/2006, you wrote: > > >>>Message: 12 >>>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:35 +0100 >>>From: Suzi Clarke >>>Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays >>>To: Historical Costume >>>Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425101334.01e1f0d0@127.0.0.1> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>At 10:04 25/04/2006, you wrote: >>>>Hi Suzi, >>>>Is this your examin of old stays, that you say they are thin? >>>>When you look at Hogarts prints, and you sometimes see a pair of stays >>>>lying alone on the floor, they are shaped like the body, and i would >>>>say, its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would this not >>>>provide heavier boning? >>> >>>Not entirely - I have some real whalebone, which dates from the 1940's >>>probably, and which is very flexible. I think the shape is due to the >>>construction - maybe the lining is a tiny bit smaller than the outside, >>>which would cause the "bowed" effect, and the bones are there to >>>reinforce rather than to actually shape? I have seen corsets that sit in >>>that shape, but I was not able to handle them at that time. >>>You could also make the tape that holds the horizontal bones slightly too >>>short, which would also help to hold the corset in that curved shape. >>>(Similar to making panniers or bustle, only nowhere near so exaggerated!) >>>I'll go and look at my photos again, and see if I have any of insides - I >>>am pretty sure there are some, but they may not be the same style of >>>corset. >>I'm sure I've read somewhere (Corsets and Crinolines perhaps?) about >>some 18th century stays being steamed into shape. >>Claire > > Victorian stays were definitely steamed into shape over a body form. "The > Symington Collection" catalogue, from the Museum in Leicester, shows this > quite clearly. However, I don't remember that 18th century stays were > steamed, but I could be wrong. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:49:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCnUMg005506 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCnMEn017277; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCn8Gs029400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:49:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCn6T0060642; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCn3Nb060518 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:49:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c7.11949e7 (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c7.11949e7.317f74a9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:48:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:49:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E1AD2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:21:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: And working in the other direction, often the clothing is part of our clue to identification. ******************** This relates to theatre. Since Greek theatre [and no doubt before] the costume is a symbol. It tells you who the character is before anyone has opened their mouths. So too with Roman comedy and on into Comedia del'arte. The instant you see the standardized costume, the audience knows if it's the old father [Pantalone], or the sad love lorn character [Poirot], or the clever servant [Harlequino], or a Colombina or Zerlina or the Capitano ....and so on. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 08:54:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCsdhN005860 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:54:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PCsVCO022254; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:54:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCsFGx029842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCsADg064408; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:54:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PCqQ4t063158 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.39c.1afa3dd (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:52:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <39c.1afa3dd.317f757d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:52:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:54:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E1C07.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:09:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: they are shaped like the body, and i would say, its the horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would this not provide heavier boning? ********************** Good question. Does not real whale bone get warmed by the body and after a while shape itself thus? Could not all the boning in the stays take on and hold the curved shape? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:06:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PD6Glr006618 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:06:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PD67nE002377; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:06:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PD5iSg030915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PD5fUr072696; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PD5bIH072620 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.76]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F2850FAC006 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:05:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000401c66869$0a4f45e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <39c.1afa3dd.317f757d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:06:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E1EC0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Albertcat, I just thoaght, that looking at Hogarts drawings, the stays lying on the floor, if the shaping bones, had ben thin, they would not be able to stand a lone, and keep the whole body shape, like a dress stand. Even the body heats the vertical bones, they could not alone hold the shape, as they are vertical. They would collapse. Thats just my 2 cents, that the shaping bones inside must have ben rather thick and stiff. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > > In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:09:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > they are shaped like the body, and i would say, its the > horzontal bones that keep them in shape. Would this not provide heavier > boning? > > > > ********************** > > Good question. > > Does not real whale bone get warmed by the body and after a while shape > itself thus? Could not all the boning in the stays take on and hold the > curved > shape? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:11:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDBJ50006863 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:11:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDBBQC007571; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDAif6031672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDAgGm076873; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PDA9pH076285 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 63243 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 13:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.192.200 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 13:10:03 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425140817.01e2ad08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:09:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays In-Reply-To: <001301c66865$a03521a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <200604250923.k3P9Lkgn027162@net.indra.com> <002201c66861$74fef460$21eb443d@GILGAMESH> <6.2.3.4.0.20060425132044.01e24cc0@127.0.0.1> <001301c66865$a03521a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:11:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E1FEF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:41 25/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >Yes, they also steamed the bones in 18th century, acording to Janet Arnold. >I can bend my wissner boning, so that it gets a curved shape, and it >works nicely i think. >Anyway, i replaced the thick 2 mm. bones inside with thinner bones >1mm. Its the more soft plastic boning i used for them. >And speaking of it, i actually have finished the stays now! >If you would like to have a look: >Next time i have time for it, i think i will try to make a tape >dress stand with a mock up pair of stays inside, to get the right >shape. Its so annoying with the modern dress stands, they are no use >at all........... > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >Dear Sarah, thanks for your very informative informations, ill keep >this in mind! > Nice job as always Bjarne - your work is always so precise, a quality I envy. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:16:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDG88q006955 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDG0Me012451; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:16:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDF8xY032194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDEQlV079863; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDELww079709 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c4.11a7343 (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:14:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c4.11a7343.317f7aa4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:14:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E2110.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 7:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: I think it's because the public is becomming better educated about costume history, I also think that it will get better in the future too. Costume Literature has jumped tenfold since I left University, so have the skill levels of the majority of students. People are pushing themselves further and further, trying to find out how those garments were made and worn in history, not just trying to capture a look. *********************** The end of the "studio" system contributed to this greatly. The "queens of the silver screen" don't really have as much power as they used to. But in the 1960s there started a vogue for accuracy that hit its height I think in the late 70s. The 1st clothing from a movie I remember ever noticing was "Thoroughly Modern Millie"....some beautiful and very accurate costumes in there....with great character. I'd say the pinnacle is "Little Dorrit" [early 80s]. This rise closely follows the rise in costume research and scholarly investigation of clothes happening at the same time. Now I feel it's moving into an area I like but is not really "accuracy". I call it the "historically informed" look. Where there is obviously a healthy respect and knowledge of the period historically, but things are manipulated to achieve effects. The rise in popularity of fantasy films has something to do with it. Sandy Powell, one of my fave designers, is very good at this. She loves correct cuts, but will play with fabric a lot. So too another of my fave designers, Colleen Atwood. Of course the British and Europeans have been doing some very accurate portrayals for a looooong time. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:19:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDJFPB007085 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:19:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDJ7Bw015720; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDInSQ032514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDIlrb082952; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDIhTJ082798 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.327.3244490 (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <327.3244490.317f7ba9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:18:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:19:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E21CB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 7:35:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen... *************** I hate it when someone gets shot....in the arm or leg or shoulder.... and then runs around for the rest of the film as if nothing was wrong. "It's only a flesh wound" "You're arm's off!" " No it isn't"...... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:23:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDNJfF007167 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:23:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDNA7x019973; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDMkte032930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDMjO5085958; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDMel4085850 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.286.98cb5dd (4214) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <286.98cb5dd.317f7c94@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:22:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E22BE.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:55:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: This relates to theatre. Since Greek theatre [and no doubt before] the costume is a symbol. And, I believe also in various forms of Japanese theater, yes? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:29:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDT4dK007264 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:29:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDStd0025848; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:28:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDSgMU033510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDSfpt090469; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:28:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDScW6090429 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:28:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so1643449pyc for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jmwNwsRACrxlmwbot+LVlPYooG6rhlX82vl4O2u7lidP9cTtF1zgO6Qwh4MBG0GEescok1S2W1UuFToaQt5V2JI24IYuSUImWdVJE5Q/EHZOU/WeKCmRwuT1bi3xUWcgAR7tfxV4YjLDMhweqdZx93FpPu3UYSHy4dncBoQrKIU= Received: by 10.35.97.17 with SMTP id z17mr1259599pyl; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604250628rf0178edkd9e40f1c20014af5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:28:36 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film In-Reply-To: <000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> <000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3PDScW6090429 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:28:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E2418.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My husband realised he had been going to costume films with me too long when his first thought at a lady taking off her bodice in a film was "Hey, she's not wearing a chemise." Katy On 4/25/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > I drive my family nuts saying stuff like" Why doesn't he/she do ......?" My > husband says,"Then the movie'd be 15 minutes long." We just have to suspend > our disbelief and enjoy the show. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:54 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film > > > I thought that too. > > Speaking of dumb decisions, I just saw "Last of the Mohicans." I could > believe it when the Indian said he was the "last" at the end, because > almost everybody else in the film had gotten colorfully killed. That's > what the whole film was about. > > But anyway: > > Here are two teenage girls fresh out from England, with the frontiersman > Hawkeye and his adoptive Mohican father and brother, escorting the girls > to their father's fort. They get near the fort, sneaking up through the > woods at night, and discover from distance that it's under siege. The > area around it looks and sounds like the Fourth of July. (I know they > didn't have the Fourth of July then, well they did but it wasn't the > Fourth of July; well you know what I mean.) > > At this point I would have turned around to my guides and said, "You > know this area, is there anyplace we can hole up safely till this battle > is all over?" No--they go right in! > > I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like this. But > in the film, I thought they were idiots. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > > > I thought. "Hey....couldn't your daughter use that?!" > > > > Well Rose couldn't make a decent decision in 1912, why would she now? > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:34:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDYEYV007386 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:34:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDY6Wg031704; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:34:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDXd09033911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDXYaW094141; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDWRbE093242 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.238.a9bcc41 (48552) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <238.a9bcc41.317f7ee4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:32:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:34:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E254E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:28:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: And, I believe also in various forms of Japanese theater, yes? ****************** Most definitely! And Indian ....and Tai, Bali, Indonesia....etc...etc... Notice how all these, and the Greek too, are religious in nature. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:38:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDcaDU007498 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:38:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDcRW6003344; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDc4UE034333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDc1ds097351; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:38:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDbvNg097294 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so1645957pyc for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WjVeA8Oa1X1An1QIwiCEEDUC6w6Dyi7qzeSD6ckH0fJYdMlKQsY0j85uicxVTQXOOigIW9OVS/kp8Cfk54fLi4N9KO2lTYqzTsELFE8Jf+xHqOxzTyQQ78MTCmbrLSnjQtb/UJIe+bzP8WvxCQWpY9iAFRnEoaUASg/1vAGVsfI= Received: by 10.35.39.2 with SMTP id r2mr1106558pyj; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.18.8 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604250637m467f2eeds1d4478c2b29906c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:37:57 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3PDbvNg097294 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Spamalot X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:38:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E2653.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A couple of weeks ago we went to see Spamalot (I highly recommend it if you like Monty Python, I had a fabulous time, made me forget my troubles and I thought by friend would fall off her chair laughing). In the final scene it had one of the most inventive costumes I've seen in a long time. It was worn by the Lady of the Lake. She walked out in a blue pseudo medieval gown, fitted bodice, full skirt, you could see a bit of white at the neck. Then Arthur asks her to marry him, and in answer she says I'd thought you'd never ask and flips the dress (had I been expecting it I would have paid more attention to how she did it) and the dress changes to a white gown. I think she somehow flipped the bodice forward and it flipped the whole thing under a now white skirt. It was ingenious. I'd love to see pictures and details on how it was made. Katy -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. 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Status: RO >I'll be interested in knowing when people get their copies. I still don't >have mine, which is apparently on the slow boat from England. > >--Robin ============================== I just got an email notification from Amazon that my pre-ordered copy is on the way. At this rate it could beat my pre-ordered copy of Tudor Tailor........ Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:43:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDhaSP007649 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:43:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDhS2F017158; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDh2HX034893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDgxqJ001409; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDgrvG001211 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3PDglp03602.; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:42:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:42:47 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:42:34 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3PDgrvG001211 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:43:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E2780.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 25/04/2006 13:48 >>> wrote >... or the sad love lorn character [Poirot]... I think you mean Pierrot - Poirot is Agatha Christie's Belgian detective! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:47:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDld5g007761 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:47:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDlVJG011603; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:47:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDl4Gb035507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDl1wA004663; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDimrJ002831 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lherr@rightwaybusiness.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.111.172.120]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYA0046K66GDBG4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 06:44:43 -0700 From: Lorraine Herr To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <444E27CB.9080801@rightwaybusiness.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] GFD lacing spacing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E2873.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Help! I'm looking for advice about vertical spacing of holes on the front lacing of a gothic fitted dress. Three weeks of fittings, sewing, bleeding, etc., and it's down to the finish line! Has anyone got thoughts about how far apart (vertically) the holes ought to be? I know they should be offset, and I think about 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch in from the front edge of the dress. However, ANY advice would be appreciated!!!!! Thanks! Laurie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 09:49:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDn3RV007795 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PDmsnP018518; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:48:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDlIgh035556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDlFtQ004853; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PDlAdY004724 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYA006LK6A29VP0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:46:49 -0400 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <000401c66840$0f691b60$0200a8c0@bob3pc> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:48:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E28C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There are certain movies that I will not see. Titanic was one. Not because of the costumes, but I really didn't want to spend 10 bucks to see 1500 people die. I figured the story's ending wouldn't be changed, so whateve came before would make it worse. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sharon at Collierfam.com Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:13 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Movies--longish I, too, didn't see "Titanic", but I knew how it ended anyway. :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 10:20:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEJv4C008488 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:20:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PEJmFQ017800; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEJJ09039497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEJ6c6030904; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEJ2Nn030768 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c2.11c27f7 (48576) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c2.11c27f7.317f89cc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:18:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spamalot To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E3004.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:44:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, katybishop64@gmail.com writes: In the final scene it had one of the most inventive costumes I've seen in a long time. ******************* In the musical "Dream Girls"...a story of a 60s girl group like the Supremes...there's a number called "I'm Changing". The solo singer alone on stage starts out in a 60's poncho dress...y'know a dress with a matching poncho.... A style kinda popular in the 60s. As she sings the spot light focuses closer and closer on her face until that's all you can see. Then, as the song progresses, the spot light spreads back out and she, having not moved, is in a long beaded gown! Whoa...she really IS changing! Obviously the gown is on the back of and under the poncho part of the 1st outfit, but what a great special effect. Like in "Sunday in the Park with George" where Dot's bustle gown opens up and she steps out of it in her under things and dances while the gown just stands there by itself. Then it opens up again and she steps back into it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 10:20:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEKseQ008503 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:20:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PEKjCB028093; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:20:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEKHIC039663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEKEgZ031793; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEKACa031631 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.322.3264336 (48576) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <322.3264336.317f8a06@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:19:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:20:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E303D.009 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:48:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: I think you mean Pierrot - Poirot is Agatha Christie's Belgian detective! ***************** Oops.....and HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 10:59:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PExEGj009993 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:59:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PEx470031365; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:59:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEwawL044589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:58:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEwRLQ066451; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:58:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEwJEB066286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEwC4u032711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:58:17 -0400 Message-ID: <444E3903.1050803@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:58:11 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <3f7.17f50f.317e3e4f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3f7.17f50f.317e3e4f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NYHS: New Exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:59:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E3938.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Those of you who are or plan to be in New York city this spring may want to visit: https://www.nyhistory.org/web/default.php?section=whats_new&page=detail_pr&id=5765978 "GROUP DYNAMICS: FAMILY PORTRAITS AND SCENES OF EVERYDAY LIFE AT THE NEW-YORK HISTORICAL SOCIETY EXHIBITION OPENS A visual treasury of 18th and 19th century America on display May 5, 2006 through September 17, 2006 The New-York Historical Society (N-YHS), New York City’s first museum, presents Group Dynamics: Family Portraits and Scenes of Everyday Life at the New-York Historical Society, an unprecedented exploration of group portraiture drawn from the Society’s extensive collection of paintings, photographs and sculpture. The exhibition features 90 works of art ranging from masterpieces of colonial, federal, and Victorian- era painting to painted portrait miniatures and souvenir tintypes. Group Dynamics opens on May 5, and is on view through September 17, 2006 at the New-York Historical Society, located at Central Park West and 77th Street. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 11:06:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PF6fuj010203 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:06:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PF6X12007131; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:06:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PF67xk045720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PF61EN073597; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PF5glO073283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3PF5XLX027827 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:37 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59638.72.13.239.193.1145977537.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <53589.72.13.239.193.1145895578.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:06:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E3AF9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > And working in the other direction, often the clothing is part of our clue > to identification. This is a large part of that lecture. So part of my > answer to someone who wants to try to read an image of Mary as being > Magdalen has to do with how we use the clothing symbols to make the > distinction ... and in this case, the questioner wondered whether the > artist was using the clothing either to mask the real identity of the > woman in the portrait, or else to provide clues to it. So you see, it did > directly relate to costume study, and to my lecture topic. Ok, that makes sense, then. I suppose it adds another hour to the lecture if you start discussing how one saint is hidden by another. And where is that red brocade on the feminine-looking figure in The Last Supper, I wonder! :-D > I rather wish that Dan Brown had picked a saint who wasn't quite so > central to costume study. Say, Mary of Egypt. Except Dan Brown didn't make the "choice". The idea of Jesus and Mary Magdalene as a couple has been around long before the Da Vinci Code and even before "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" whose authors recently accused Brown of plagerizing. For those who want to read more, one interesting and down-to-earth writer exploring the relationship is Margaret Starbird, and yes, that is her real name. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 11:12:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFCnOw010397 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:12:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PFCfNr013476; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFC95j046904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFC4LR079475; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFBtZg079342 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.76]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 82390FAC036 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c6687a$a1602790$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200604250923.k3P9Lkgn027162@net.indra.com><002201c66861$74fef460$21eb443d@GILGAMESH><6.2.3.4.0.20060425132044.01e24cc0@127.0.0.1><001301c66865$a03521a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060425140817.01e2ad08@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:12:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:12:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E3C69.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Many thanks for this, coming from you makes it even more nice. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays > At 13:41 25/04/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Suzi, >>Yes, they also steamed the bones in 18th century, acording to Janet >>Arnold. >>I can bend my wissner boning, so that it gets a curved shape, and it works >>nicely i think. >>Anyway, i replaced the thick 2 mm. bones inside with thinner bones 1mm. >>Its the more soft plastic boning i used for them. >>And speaking of it, i actually have finished the stays now! >>If you would like to have a look: >>Next time i have time for it, i think i will try to make a tape dress >>stand with a mock up pair of stays inside, to get the right shape. Its so >>annoying with the modern dress stands, they are no use at all........... >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >>Dear Sarah, thanks for your very informative informations, ill keep this >>in mind! >> > > Nice job as always Bjarne - your work is always so precise, a quality I > envy. > > Suzi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 11:43:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFgtu2011128 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:43:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PFgldf010050; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFg2cs051163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFfdkK007981; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFepf6007406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:28026 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYPel-0007LW-SU for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:40:56 -0500 Message-ID: <00c601c6687e$a0c01a30$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200604250315.k3P3FI623607@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Firefly & metalwork for costumes Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:40:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E4377.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I recently realized that, duh, there are a lot of metalworkers in the h-costuming world who can probably make a replica of the interesting fastener buckle thingies on the browncoat for me, so after thwacking myself on the head, I will now go find someone to do a custom order. Which reminds me of two metalwork/costume related questions--first, someone (Saragrace?) hired someone to custom-make a dress-hook of the Flemish peasant variety for them--does anyone know who that was, and who they ordered from? Second, has anyone done much of this sort of custom ordering? There are several things I'd like made; similar items on the websites of metalworkers are nicely priced, but I expect that making something for the first time is a lot more expensive than all the rest of the times it's made. (I'll want things made in something other than pewter; probably brass.) -E House (PS--for the browncoats on the list, did you know that Adam Baldwin posts on the official boards all the time? http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/ Nathan Fillion has been known to pop in as well.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 11:51:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFp9GZ011293 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:51:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PFp1AY019152; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:51:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFoDnQ052732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFns2K015654; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PFnDPk015033 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PFn61f004720 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:49:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "klh" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Firefly & metalwork for costumes Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:51:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <00c601c6687e$a0c01a30$9400a8c0@compaqub> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:51:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E4565.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Email me offlist -- I do custom orders and short-run items, and would be interested in discussing this with you. talia@kc.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of E House Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:41 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Firefly & metalwork for costumes I recently realized that, duh, there are a lot of metalworkers in the h-costuming world who can probably make a replica of the interesting fastener buckle thingies on the browncoat for me, so after thwacking myself on the head, I will now go find someone to do a custom order. Which reminds me of two metalwork/costume related questions--first, someone (Saragrace?) hired someone to custom-make a dress-hook of the Flemish peasant variety for them--does anyone know who that was, and who they ordered from? Second, has anyone done much of this sort of custom ordering? There are several things I'd like made; similar items on the websites of metalworkers are nicely priced, but I expect that making something for the first time is a lot more expensive than all the rest of the times it's made. (I'll want things made in something other than pewter; probably brass.) -E House (PS--for the browncoats on the list, did you know that Adam Baldwin posts on the official boards all the time? http://forums.prospero.com/foxfirefly/ Nathan Fillion has been known to pop in as well.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 12:06:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PG6hBl011598 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:06:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PG6Z9O002976; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:06:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PG685U055060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PG59Jv030433; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PG4KnF029608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.115] (209-148-122-115.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PG4Duc017928 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:04:16 -0700 Message-ID: <444E487D.60103@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:04:13 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans References: <279.89e395c.317eb335@aol.com> <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20060425002227.019611b8@justinanimator.com> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060425002227.019611b8@justinanimator.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E490B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's good to know! Fran Genie Barrett wrote: > At 11:53 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: > >> I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like this. >> But in the film, I thought they were idiots. > > > Actually, the book is so different from that movie that you could call > them two different stories with people who share the same names. > > Genie > (Who loves that fact that it's the older daughter who falls in love with > the Indian son. Hawkeye finds his love, if I understand correctly, in > another book.) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 12:30:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGUdiA012057 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:30:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PGUVgI029775; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:30:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGUEaO058046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGTEpM052285; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGNxHP047594 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=h7g8VUC+LJTwKFmw7ANgDF9YwsMQYMVMFIR6tBGI0zvTLuYwjf+24oaKsFgONJpA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.28] (helo=mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYQBh-0001P5-Sx for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:14:54 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:14:53 -0400 Message-ID: <26735399.1145981693913.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:14:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22cb6c913b8e04b3d5adfa2b3c7e59a6604350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.28 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:30:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E4EA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin wrote: >I rather wish that Dan Brown had picked a saint who wasn't quite so >central to costume study. Say, Mary of Egypt. I can just see it now..... ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 12:37:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGbPDn012226 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:37:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PGbHTO004354; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGZxeS058631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGZ2aL057678; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGWg5O055463 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17404 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:32:39 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:32:35 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans Thread-Index: AcZogmnZEpzxo7SoTomqGNW217kCEgAAFVjw From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3PGWg5O055463 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E503D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, if it wasn't stupid characters doing stupid things in most movies(and TV shoes), that would eliminate the plots of most of our entertainment from those mediums! And that would lead to the loss of a lot of fun watching them. I kind of wondered at the trailer for Marie Antoinette which started this thread. My theory is that since the movie isn't due out until the fall at the earliest, post-production work and a final musical score might not yet exist yet. I've seen other movie trailers where the music in the first teaser trailer doesn't match that in the final film. The score for "Little Women"(the version with Winona Ryder), I've heard in "teaser trailers" for other movies. For anyone on the list who hasn't read "Hollywood and History" by Edward Maeder, I recommend this book as an excellent guide to the history of historical accuracy/inaccuracy in costuming. Maeder also covers what happened to a lot of accuracy between the designers' concepts and what ended up on-screen. Not only did most stars demand to look attractive at the cost of accuracy, the dear old Hayes Code also had a lot to say for decades. Rule one must have been no breast exposure for women and no codpieces for men. So women wore bodices appropriate to the year the movie was made and men had to wear tights with costumes redesigned so the films wouldn't be banned by Mr. Hayes, any other Puritains, and any city in the U.S. that might take offense. Maeder recounts that Bette Davis had to fight her agent and the studio when she shaved her head to play Elizabeth I the second time as her research discovered the real Elizabeth was nearly bald in her old age. In Maeder's opinion, the Italian-Anglo film, "The Leopard" was the most historically accurately designed and costumed film up the year he wrote the book. After reading this book years ago, I love to play a kind of game when watching a "historical costume" film or TV show I call: Find all the things in the costumes that give away the year the film was made. Hairstyles and makeup of the leading actors is a dead giveaway. If you want to see a costume designer's original intent: check out some background extra. Start watching those old films and have fun! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 12:40:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGeLsx012343 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:40:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PGeD9a007492; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:40:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGdubm059072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:39:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGcvro061300; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGaUmO058963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.115] (209-148-122-115.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PGEOAX022805 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: <444E4AE1.7030900@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film References: <000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:40:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E50ED.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Same with the costumes, too ... otherwise no costumer would enjoy any film he or she hadn't costumed personally. Fran Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > I drive my family nuts saying stuff like" Why doesn't he/she do ......?" My > husband says,"Then the movie'd be 15 minutes long." We just have to suspend > our disbelief and enjoy the show. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:54 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Titanic film > > > I thought that too. > > Speaking of dumb decisions, I just saw "Last of the Mohicans." I could > believe it when the Indian said he was the "last" at the end, because > almost everybody else in the film had gotten colorfully killed. That's > what the whole film was about. > > But anyway: > > Here are two teenage girls fresh out from England, with the frontiersman > Hawkeye and his adoptive Mohican father and brother, escorting the girls > to their father's fort. They get near the fort, sneaking up through the > woods at night, and discover from distance that it's under siege. The > area around it looks and sounds like the Fourth of July. (I know they > didn't have the Fourth of July then, well they did but it wasn't the > Fourth of July; well you know what I mean.) > > At this point I would have turned around to my guides and said, "You > know this area, is there anyplace we can hole up safely till this battle > is all over?" No--they go right in! > > I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains things like this. But > in the film, I thought they were idiots. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > >> >>I thought. "Hey....couldn't your daughter use that?!" >> >>Well Rose couldn't make a decent decision in 1912, why would she now? >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 12:53:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGrfrs012712 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:53:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PGrW7t021611; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:53:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGquOV060758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGqRnk073095; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.148]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PGovol071651 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 20078 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 16:49:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o3DC9hDgDsvyOU7rTCXkzAVg9fLTx6C9grit1sCE8Pp6iZzPOBaEb3dJ2tANUOsDRbVyTkc8Hk2Ft0v19XoXMuBSKQKDHIaSOeiFwmgRQgPpDAEhlhurRkD2w2N9yz95psDWGlrQrcnJ7DEM31EQeHArmWDqDsuT/SD2b04vLqg= ; Message-ID: <20060425164959.20076.qmail@web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:59 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604251241.k3PCfL4j054707@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: movies-things that make you cringe X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:53:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E540C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Or watching a modern military action film with a vet. "That is the completely wrong insignia..." etc. Apparently "A Few Good Men" was pretty accurate with its uniforms. h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:39 -0300 From: "kelly grant" Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! > but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell >at > the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK UP >THE AMMO/WEAPON", > as > the good guy runs around ect... Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen..."Close the damn door!" When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to door open, to be closed miraculously by someone else! It is getting better though, and so too are costumes in movies. Could you imagine if Hollywood were still costuming the way it did in the 1950's, then those 1810 dresses would have waistlines down around the hipline with gaps to show off the pierced midriff. ;-) I think it's because the public is becomming better educated about costume history, I also think that it will get better in the future too. Costume Literature has jumped tenfold since I left University, so have the skill levels of the majority of students. People are pushing themselves further and further, trying to find out how those garments were made and worn in history, not just trying to capture a look. Kelly Message: 6 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:06:32 +1000 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! >> but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell >at >> the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK UP >THE AMMO/WEAPON", >> as >> the good guy runs around ect... > > Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen..."Close the damn door!" > When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to door open, to be closed > miraculously by someone else! > It's not just costumers/historians who tell fictional characters when they're wrong, my Mum's a nurse and you can't get through any sort of medical drama without learning where they have taken liberties with the facts. 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Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 13:25:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHPvM5013339 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PHPmJp018436; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHO7Yq065142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:24:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHNt5I006829; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHNlYE006564 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.386.1cdd031 (16930) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <386.1cdd031.317fb517@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:23:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:25:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E5B9C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 12:38:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Hairstyles and makeup of the leading actors is a dead giveaway. If you want to see a costume designer's original intent: check out some background extra. ***************** Indeed! I love how, oh say, the pioneers are in what is often pretty good clothes but Olivia De Havilland is crossing the plains in a velvet ensemble with a huge fur trimmed hat. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 13:58:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHwUJp014179 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PHwMW4017248; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHi7Cm067654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGTdjQ052731; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGSMbJ051382 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYA00BVTDQRVL17@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:28:01 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans In-reply-to: <444E487D.60103@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E633E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Genie Barrett wrote: >Actually, the book is so different from that movie that you could call > them two different stories with people who share the same names. That was my original reaction to Clive Owen's "King Arthur". Though it makes a great movie, it was not at all what I had expected. It gets better each time I see it, and the names become background noise to the story. And we won't even discuss the James Bond movies... Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 13:58:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHwgGi014188 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PHwYIr024359; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PHi7Cq067654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGpEL3072013; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PGollk071554 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31196 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:25:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:25:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD lacing spacing In-Reply-To: <444E27CB.9080801@rightwaybusiness.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E634A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Lorraine Herr wrote: > I'm looking for advice about vertical spacing of holes on the front > lacing of a gothic fitted dress. Three weeks of fittings, sewing, > bleeding, etc., and it's down to the finish line! Has anyone got > thoughts about how far apart (vertically) the holes ought to be? I > know they should be offset, and I think about 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch in > from the front edge of the dress. However, ANY advice would be > appreciated!!!!! In my experience, one inch apart is too little. I do them around 3/4 inch. I've noticed that this happens to be the width you'd get if you used your finger-width to space them, so I wouldn't be surprised if the medieval seamstress didn't bother measuring. However, I do, and I mark them all (both sides) before I ever start sewing, for fear that I'll end up with the two sides not matching up correctly at the end. Offsetting: I make the top two holes at the same height, about 1/2 inch from the top. Then on one side I go down at 3/4-inch intervals. On the other side I go down 3/8 inch for the first one, and then at 3/4-inch intervals. This allows me to have offset spiral lacing up the front, without the top coming together unevenly. (I saw this on a statue somewhere; if I was smart, I took a picture!) I put them a little further in than you have noted -- about 1/2 to 5/8 inch from the edge. Then the spiral lacing allows me to overlap the allowances, so as the lacing shifts over the course of the day, it never gaps enough to show chemise. However, if you didn't allow for that much overlap when you fitted, don't change it now! You will have to use the same overlap you planned for originally. (I generally mark my center line during fittings and pin on that, and then when I sew it up, I add half the overlap amount beyond the line for each half of the dress.) Somewhere around here I have a post I wrote about eyelets. Let me find it... OK, there were four of them. I'm copying them below. (If I can ever get my husband to update my webpage, I'll add another batch of GFD-related posts! I've been saving them.) --Robin four old posts follow Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:01:23 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > Had to get on this bit. When making eyelets, the quick way is to use > grommets, what is the historical way? Are they like round botton > holes or what? Hand-done eyelets are so easy even I can do them. I do lousy buttonholes, but my eyelets are perfectly round and even. And they go very fast -- and never pull out like grommets can. There are some examples of extant ones in the Museum of London's "Textiles and Clothing" book and they're pretty much as one would expect -- round openings held open with overcast stitch, if I'm remembering right. This came up on this list a few years ago, and I just dug out a post I made then, about the method that works well for me. Here's what I wrote: <> To the above I'll add a note: The reason you clip a thread or two on the sides is to keep the fabric from puckering between the eyelets. This applies only to a series of eyelets in a row along the fabric grain. You see, you're mostly just pushing the threads apart to create the hole, not cutting or punching a hole. The unbroken threads keep the hole very strong and stable and means you don't get threads pulling away from the hole (a real problem with modern grommet-setting, which involves punching a hole and cutting threads). However, if you do a lot in a row, the vertical threads that would have run right through the middle of those holes, down the whole row, have to "detour" around each one, and end up pulling tight and puckering along the line of the eyelets. Clipping those particular threads prevents that problem. Don't clip the threads that go perpendicular to the row of eyelets. --Robin Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:27:09 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 Theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > thanks you and Robin make it sound easy, so will try this way instead > of grommets as they do tend to pull out over time. theresa Do some tests on scrap fabric first, to get a sense of things like stitch size, hole size, etc. and to get your rhythm. Then start your eyelets from the bottom, where people won't be looking closely. By the time you reach the top you'll be a pro. Something else I do: Since I'm usually working on lined fabric (or with a facing behind the eyelets) I run a line of basting, either hand or machine, along the line where I want the eyelets to run, before I start working. That holds the fabrics together and also ensures I get the line of eyelets perfectly straight. After all the eyelets are done, I pull the basting. It's OK if the basting gets caught in your eyelets; just clip the basting off close when you're all done. I do the basting before I mark the eyelets. Then I take a pencil or marking chalk on the wrong side and make small hatch marks along the basting line at even intervals; these form little X's where my eyelets will be. --Robin Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:02:14 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: LACING--was Re: [h-cost] Lacing Eyelets On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, J Schueller wrote: > Ok, now that we are on this topic, I have dutifully put in lacing > holes to spiral lace in all my dresses for the last wo years, and have > achieved a problem (besides lacing it up!). How does one tie it off > at the top or bottom? With only one lace, one can not make a bow. > This is compounded by the fact that most of my lacing is in the back > and I need random people to tie me off, so I would love a good way to > *describe* ow to tie off spiral lacing. Interestingly, I've never needed to tie off. I snug up the lacing completely (this usually means waiting about five minutes after I've fully laced, and retightening, because the dress relaxes -- I do my hair or something in the meantime) and then pass the thread through the top two holes a couple more times. I then roll the rest of the lace around my fingers into a bundle and stuff it down my cleavage, and slip the needle into the lining in such a way that it doesn't poke. And then I forget about it for the rest of the day. I've never known it to slip. I should note that I do my holes offset so that the lace moves on a diagonal from one side to the other, and then I make the top two holes even: o o o o o o o o o o One thing nice about the spiral is that you can overlap the sides of the dress, so any "adjustment" that the dress makes over the day won't cause a gap. --Robin Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:39:38 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] placing of Eyelets (was Lacing Eylets On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Genie Barrett wrote: > Some Italian laces have staggered holes, and then many other countries > have the holes lined up. > > How do I choose... I've seen both straight and staggered on English/French/Flemish 14th-15th c., so I don't think it's a national issue. Do what you like ;-) > and if I choose the staggered ones, is there some sort of ratio that > makes the top fabric edges line up? > > Last time I tried, they were always between half and one inch off. I > know that some of it is the method of lacing, (eg. wrap vs. > criss-cross). But I'd like to do the single wrap up the edge. Not sure about ratio, but I always mark my eyelets before sewing them. I start marking from the top, making the top level on each side at the same distance -- say, half an inch down from the top edge. Then on one side, I go down in even increments; on the other side, I go down half an increment for the first eyelet below the top one, then full increments for the rest. The result is as I drew earlier: o o o o o o o o o o o o Those even eyelets at the top seem to be enough to square everything off. I've seen that arrangement on at least one sculpture. Interestingly, I've also seen some paintings that show spiral lacing on parallel (not offset) eyelets, and the bodice edges meet unevenly. I suppose for an underdress this doesn't matter, but I think I'd personally feel a little skewed wearing it ;-) Flemish paintings show some interesting variations that seem to represent a rather casual practice: Evenly placed eyelets, but the lace going offset, skipping every other hole each side; or lacing that skips an occasional hole, so that the spiral goes slanted in one direction for part of the stretch, then slanted in the other direction. Oh, on marking technique: Realistically, I know they probably didn't measure. I've stopped using numeric measurements for almost every part of my fitted dress construction, and I think I'm at about the point where I don't need to measure eyelets either. I imagine the medieval seamstress spaced eyelets with her finger or thumb, all the way down the row. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 14:10:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIAih9014483 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PIAaPB029748; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIAJni071222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PI9qMO084374; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PI9Ke4083433 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA31421 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:50:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:50:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In-Reply-To: <59638.72.13.239.193.1145977537.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E661C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: [Robin wrote] > > I rather wish that Dan Brown had picked a saint who wasn't quite so > > central to costume study. Say, Mary of Egypt. > > Except Dan Brown didn't make the "choice". Um, *that* was a throwaway line, and meant to amuse. This is Mary of Egypt: http://www.wga.hu/html/m/memling/3mature1/17rein4.html (right side) See, no implications for costume study there. (Interestingly, the woman on the left is St. Wilgifortis, whom I do use in the lecture, as she owes her existence to an error of costume interpretation. But that's one of the better examples in the lecture, and I don't wish to spoil it here.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 14:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIXA5S015034 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PIX225018583; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIWPPn073623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIW5MX033960; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEHTKZ029508 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYA00JP57OH70NJ@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:17:03 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks In-reply-to: <385.1c4177b.317ef2c8@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:33:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E6B5E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have spent years in the theatre-- BA and MA in costume design and history (15 years). Then I was a designer for the garment industry (24 years) . Now I teach fashion history in a college. >From my experience-- The "look" is the thing, not historical accuracy. If you have a director like Franco Zefferelli he is going to look for more accuracy. However Remember his "Taming of the Shrew"? Liz Taylor was dressed in a VERY hollywoodized version of Lorenzo Lotto.(I am surprized she wore a balzo !) Because she was the star. A STAR has a lot of influence in what they wear. People like Edith Head knew how to dress Stars by giving them what they wanted-- to appeal to their image and their vanity. And sometimes STARS want to make thimngs more accurate over the objections od the director. Bette Davis shaved her hair and eyebrows for "Elizabeth and Essex" in order to make her character more accurate. Hollywood thought she was nuts. When Cecil Beaton did My fair Lady he was a photographer/artist with some experience in design. However he was grounded in the Edwardian era. I knew the woman who actually made the costumes for the Broadway show (Helen Pons-- she designed the original costumes for "our Town, etc)). She was the backbone of the costumes. She knew what could and could not be made. When they made the movie his designs were adapted to the screen-- with someone to oversee the construction. No director with a brain is going to risk the look of a movie to his girlfriend or his niece unless he feels that she can do the job. Too much is at stake.A costume designer has too much responsibility to too many people to be *just* a girlfriend or niece. Many people who have clout in Hollywood as stars will not risk their image if they feel their costumes do not reflect it. They overrule a designer based on ego, comfort, or their own "Vision" of the production. It is a rare actor that will wear a costume simply because the designer gives it to him or her. It is a very idealized situation to allow everyone to do their own jobs. In a perfect world it happens, not Hollywood. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:35 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks In a message dated 4/24/2006 10:53:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: think we are all too critical about costume work in films. The director-- and sometimes the STARS have a majority of things to say about what is worn. *************** This can be tricky. Especially when they hire the producers niece or girlfriend to do the costumes....something that seems to happen in America more than Europe. Sometimes the actors are just looking out for themselves. If you have a top notch designer, as many period films do, smart actors, art directors, directors and producers just let them do their work. I don't think we're too hard on film. I mean they're spending a fortune! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 14:39:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PId6bd015150 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:39:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PIcwZM024525; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:39:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIcP7i074644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIcJop047593; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f14.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PEmc5F057406 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 07:48:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:48:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [129.244.6.160] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200604241805.k3OI3LpS049980@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:48:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2006 14:48:32.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[52CF92D0:01C66877] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E6CC2.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For reasons that are somewhat complicated, I may be at a rev war event in virginia on the 14th-16th of July. First the off topic - can anyone give me a hint on what to expect - how much this sort of thing costs, tha tsort of thing (I've done re-eacting elsewhere, but not RW and not in VA). Also, where can I find a pattern for a coat for an outfit appropriate to the era? Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 14:42:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIgoEe015247 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:42:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PIgfwg027933; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIfkcH075097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:41:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIfPi0054430; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52215.mail.yahoo.com (web52215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PFg2HE008272 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 78119 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 15:41:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0MoZQG2C1ABZvQW+/8817QRU8xNtwyj09NuFXRamTXq4E6BJLn1gKI8sDnZBCF6Az2EIoT39PDIwHKsJydjTqZc/4m/zjOD0wyFlhEeRExtQ4g9BIOoXPRqhZfDAptv8DuLuqfsXGtuWLehsvCCxx/C7XX0+DFPwGmxSTxB2qWk= ; Message-ID: <20060425154148.78117.qmail@web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:41:47 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:41:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Steam Iron source To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060422104325.BB2EE17A@resin06.mta.everyone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:42:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E6DA2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Look at ebay,some UK suppliers ship to the USA. Tried Tefal's website but it is down at the moment Brin Kendall Joannah Hansen wrote: < <--- suzi@suziclarke.co.uk wrote: < <(which is more than I do!) < Sorry, I can't help for a US source, but thank-you for the opinion about the Tefal steam iron - I've been eyeing them off over here in Australia. One day....... I just went looking and found this link - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008ZPN6/102-6325019-4567367?v=glance&n=284507 DeLonghi also make one which I presume ( from their website ) is available in the US, but their website was less than helpful fro getting details. 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Canada Photos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 14:45:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIjb8V015319 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:45:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PIjTcN030761; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:45:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIiNTW075597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIiC3m059328; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIi0xR059052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:44:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3PIhudZ008197 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:43:59 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62262.72.13.239.193.1145990640.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <59638.72.13.239.193.1145977537.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:45:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E6E49.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Um, *that* was a throwaway line, and meant to amuse. This is Mary of > Egypt: > > http://www.wga.hu/html/m/memling/3mature1/17rein4.html > (right side) > > See, no implications for costume study there. Interesting - Mary Magdalene also has the association of being a penitent wandering in the desert for many years, and long hair is one of her identifiers! There was a lot of confusion between the Marys, so I guess Mary of Egypt is where the prostitution came from? That's a discussion for another time.... > (Interestingly, the woman on the left is St. Wilgifortis, whom I do use in > the lecture, as she owes her existence to an error of costume > interpretation. But that's one of the better examples in the lecture, and > I don't wish to spoil it here.) The description on that page says a lot! I guess I'll have to wait until you give that lecture somewhere around me. Elizabeth wrote, > Ah, you see my sample answer would have been 'because it pre-dates Dan Brown Again, not relevant since many had that theory before DVC brought it to popular culture > and in the Medieval period you could have been killed for saying what he > said' several schisms were eradicated (usually by violent means) for saying > much less controversial things than Jesus had sex with Mary Magdalene. Yes, and...? That's the whole point, that the clues were *hidden* in the paintings, and now people are looking for those clues! Margaret Starbird showed a series of paintings of Mary Magdalene, with identifiers such as red brocade, an ointment jar, long hair, and (the new one for me) Xs being included either in her outfit, the architecture or somewhere else in the painting. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 14:55:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PItRtP015543 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:55:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PItJ3O007741; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:55:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIsfTX076712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PIs1Vl080309; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PIVbeb032570 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kelley_gerl@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17681 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 18:31:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KnJKcuigkJ4BUQSJLnaRDfzS6FsaUMSDnMUEOKXerb9dwDepjwjyoGVGwXsvvt/bMIMupRYM/2usFEDEVCiOGX5ryx3rWZtiz/Bnk/fXC+X7foAXwuiesYxb7zl03s2eWgbIrWhtKNznTpUyqWdzXzdDl4wNdOyi1SoXpWdPBLo= ; Message-ID: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.86.81.152] by web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:31:31 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 11:31:31 -0700 (PDT) From: S Kelley To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 2nd Request Please remove me from the h-costume@mail.indra.com list X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:55:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7097.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Earth Day _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:02:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ2Z9D015755 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:02:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJ2Qxh014738; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:02:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ1ZgI077670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ0p3o094320; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ081w092871 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.76]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F1C4CA5007A for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:00:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002701c6689a$75c00a90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans The Leopard Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:59:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:02:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7242.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In Maeder's opinion, the Italian-Anglo film, "The Leopard" was the most historically accurately designed and costumed film up the year he wrote the book. Cindy Abel Hi, i completely agree with him, its fantastic costumes. Especially the elderly women in the great ball scene, who dresses very early victorian, and not high fashion as the young ladies does. I definately will order this, i saw it on Amazon com, and its a classic, you will never get tired of seing that. Thanks for reminding me of this. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:05:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ56wW015801 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:05:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJ4wCU017533; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:05:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ4YBX077962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ3eoH001210; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ06av092767 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:00:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32274 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:34:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:34:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In-Reply-To: <62262.72.13.239.193.1145990640.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E72DA.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 aquazoo@patriot.net wrote: > Interesting - Mary Magdalene also has the association of being a > penitent wandering in the desert for many years, and long hair is one > of her identifiers! There was a lot of confusion between the Marys, > so I guess Mary of Egypt is where the prostitution came from? That's > a discussion for another time.... There are a number of reasons for Magdalen's supposed link to prostitution (which, interestingly, does not exist in the Eastern Orthodox Christian church's view of Magdalen, who is highly revered). But yes, there are similarities in the stories, and apparently some cross-fertilization, which becomes evident in the art as well, when you look at paintings of Magdalen in her wilderness-hermit phase. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:10:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJANJu015891 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJAEBT023162; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ9sxx078544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ94X9016215; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ86sa014199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYStG-0005hh-1C; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:08:02 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20060425150801.7ufxfb63kgw4c0c0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:08:01 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume , S Kelley Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Request Please remove me from the h-costume@mail.indra.com list References: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7416.00B by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Earth Day > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:10:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJAi8d015903 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJAa5I012504; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ9rdx078538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ94lo016226; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marlborough.concentric.com (marlborough.concentric.com [207.155.248.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ83qk014334 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from PURCHASING (unknown [207.67.223.71]) by marlborough.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay) with SMTP id 01766606F for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012101c6689b$8f93b740$133c0a0a@PURCHASING> From: "Julie" To: References: <200604251835.k3PIXB20036087@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:07:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:10:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E742C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've just been having a costume-a-thon at my house (coronation is Saturday and we have to dress the queen ). As we're sewing we've been watching movies and of course snarking the costumes. We watched Kiss Me Kate. My daughter wants the red dress the shrew wore. It was Hollywood Italian Ren. We watched Court Jester last night. Actually the costumes weren't too bad. It seems that costumes, effects, make up, and everything else has improved as the audience has gotten more sophisticated. Still, it's fiction. And none of those will be allowed to get in the way of a good story or making a buck Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:12:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJCQkJ015928 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJCHHt020147; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ9soS078543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ94Qr016228; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ86F6014163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYStG-0005hh-1C; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:08:02 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: <20060425150801.7ufxfb63kgw4c0c0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:08:01 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume , S Kelley Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Request Please remove me from the h-costume@mail.indra.com list References: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7491.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting S Kelley : > Please remove me from your list. 2nd request. > > I believe that you have to go to the web site that's at the bottom of every email and remove yourself. I don't know if this group has a human who can do things like that or not. > > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help > slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:14:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJEpfi015977 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:14:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJEhmH027508; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:14:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJEFWP079011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJDGLE023145; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJ86jW014203 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:08:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2a3.913c498 (30739) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2a3.913c498.317fcd8c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:14:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7523.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 2:33:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: Liz Taylor was dressed in a VERY hollywoodized version of Lorenzo Lotto.(I am surprized she wore a balzo !) Because she was the star. ***************** She had her own designer....like Raquel Welch in "Three Musketeers". It's not like anybody made Danilo Donati or Yvonne Blake design like that. But of course Liz gets her own designer because she's Liz. And Raquel was afraid the busk would hurt her fake boobs. In these instances, too bad for them, because everyone else around them looks much better! ****************** No director with a brain is going to risk the look of a movie to his girlfriend or his niece unless he feels that she can do the job. ******************** I've worked 2 projects now [one for TV] where the designer was a girlfriend....one the director's....one the producer's....who definitely didn't have a clue what she was doing. The assistant and those of us in the shop saved the film. These weren't period pieces....except one had a flashback. I guess they figured since it was modern, clothes were easy. Personally I find modern dress can be the most difficult....because you can't "get away" with anything. You really do have to be "accurate"! The language of modern clothes is fresh, subtle and detailed...and known by the audience. But you are correct....it's the "with a brain" qualifier that makes all the difference. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:15:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJFm6A016008 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:15:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJFejx013955; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJEenC079072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJDfbG023925; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJCWWQ021014 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2a5.912ae08 (30739) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2a5.912ae08.317fce98@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:12:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E755C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 3:07:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, robin@shell.nightowl.net writes: becomes evident in the art as well, when you look at paintings of Magdalen in her wilderness-hermit phase. **************** Doncha love those George De la Tour paintings??? So beautiful. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:20:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJKAqO016104 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:20:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJK0Td032735; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:20:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJJ2dE079633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJI3eP030436; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJAUl4018297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3PJAGxH077624 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:10:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:10:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35322.65.117.156.5.1145992216.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:10:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sharon Kelley re: 2nd Request ... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:20:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7660.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You will have to go to http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume to get off the list and follow the directions there or email the list manager, not the list. There is nothing that the list members can do to unsub you. You can find the list managers email address at that link. On Tue, April 25, 2006 1:31 pm, S Kelley said: > Please remove me from your list. 2nd request. > > Sharon > > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to help > slow climate change. Yahoo! Earth Day > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 15:59:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJxtsD017077 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:59:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PJxjbd005084; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:59:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJx5WD083689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:59:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PJvRbj010520; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PJu6rM007564 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61474 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 19:55:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=APhdIRbsvLjhCz6gWZIJwIxODtme16b/dXjJZezRV2y7vg+Beiig88v1cRrGU8rfWLO4pv336Q+DPhX5wK5DFz4DEWBjQ2Zpi5fRx+fwZWXjLikttICECEuq/0Y7oKiNMk9xqYSAMaeZV7hT/QP5KpgMpACGVOP6psGdjvJ4bd8= ; Message-ID: <20060425195555.61472.qmail@web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [88.109.5.208] by web26511.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:55:55 BST Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:55:55 +0100 (BST) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <012101c6689b$8f93b740$133c0a0a@PURCHASING> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E7FB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In the spirit of these movie related threads: I would like to draw your attention to History Spork, where two (or sometimes) three historians spork historical movies. In the archives are Braveheart, Sound of music, The patriot, and many more. http://history-spork.livejournal.com/ In the same vein, a lovely King Arthur review: http://ajhalluk.livejournal.com/174695.html Enjoy! /Lena Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 16:14:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKEegZ017631 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:14:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PKEVYN019820; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:14:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKDwZF085122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKDjYv039246; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKDZCT038933 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:13:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f8.4c77f3 (14457) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:07:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3f8.4c77f3.317fdb69@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:07:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:14:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E8328.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 4:02:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lenastrid@yahoo.com writes: three historians spork historical movies. In the archives are Braveheart, Sound of music, The patriot, and many more I never could figure out why everyone was so crazy about Sound of Music, especially costume historians! So I'm not the only one. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 16:19:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKJ25m017838 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:19:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PKIrx4023993; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:18:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKIL3X085797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKI9lB046210; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKHtch045872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.58] (209-148-124-58.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PJvsl2028172 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:57:55 -0700 Message-ID: <444E7F43.7020709@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:57:55 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> <55431.72.13.239.193.1145912189.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <55431.72.13.239.193.1145912189.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:18:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E842D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > Whether in the classroom, symposium, or casual conversation, the key > is documentation. Not for the last--at least, it tends to become a focus for tiresome "prove yourself to me" games. There is a difference between a doctoral dissertation and a conversation. > > > If I can't cite the source at the time, and I can't find it, then I > have to accept that the information will not back up my opinion. It > doesn't matter if my memory is seeing the item in a museum, with > accurate provenance, or if it's a movie that's 95% fantasy. > OK, but there is a difference between research (finding data) and intepretation (of the data). One of the first things I learned in upper-division history seminars is there are often serveral, equally believable ways of interpreting the same data. After a certain point, all you can give there is your logical argument. In other words, you're not always following someone else's ideas. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 16:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKKWcW017878 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PKKNZr031963; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:20:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKKD08086077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKKBxb049013; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from devonshire.concentric.com (devonshire.concentric.com [207.155.248.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKK5Cn048852 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from PURCHASING (unknown [207.67.223.71]) by devonshire.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay) with SMTP id 784393372 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002b01c668a5$a2d41b60$133c0a0a@PURCHASING> From: "Julie" To: References: <200604251645.k3PGfPOj063614@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:20:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Last of the Mohicans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:20:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E8487.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO I love to play a kind of game when > watching a "historical costume" film or TV show I call: Find all the > things in the costumes that give away the year the film was made. > > Hairstyles and makeup of the leading actors is a dead giveaway. If you > want to see a costume designer's original intent: check out some > background extra. > > Start watching those old films and have fun! > ------------------------------ giggle, snerk. I've done that - same with still photographs. Have you watched an episode of Classic Star Trek? Also, go back and watch movies you thought were really cool/scary/ whatever when you were a younger with your kids. Mine thought Jaws was lame, Psycho wasn't scary and the Trek clothes were lame too. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 16:21:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKLWLI017904 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:21:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PKLOmu026490; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:21:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKJRsA085941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKJ0BS047426; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKIkEV047148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3PKIcV6015015 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:18:41 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63303.72.13.239.193.1145996321.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200604241805.k3OI3LpS049980@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:21:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E84C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi Marc, Generally Rev War events, at least on the East coast, have participants organized in military units. Is it a battle event? If so, then it's probably mostly reenactment units. The organization is important for safety and "walk on" participants are discouraged. In which case, whatever unit you're participating with can advise you on clothing, and may well have some loaner things for you to wear. It may be different depending on who has invited you. If you're going with someone who is a sutler (merchant), then they also can advise you. Most events in this area are open to the public, so participants are expected to interpret. And there does not tend to be a fee for individuals, instead the units receive some copensation for their participation. As far as a coat, again this depends on what you are doing at the event. Military, militia, civilian? You could get by with a fairly uncomplicated sleeved waistcoat. There are market fairs and roundevous events that are more relaxed, more for reenactors than the public, may charge a participant fee, etc. Check again with the event organizers to see what it will be like, and then you'll have a better idea what to expect. -Carol > For reasons that are somewhat complicated, I may be at a rev war event in > virginia on the 14th-16th of July. First the off topic - can anyone give > me a hint on what to expect - how much this sort of thing costs, that sort > of thing (I've done re-eacting elsewhere, but not RW and not in VA). > > Also, where can I find a pattern for a coat for an outfit appropriate to > the era? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 16:22:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKMLfT017924 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:22:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PKMCuZ003343; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:22:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKGRAk085547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKGLv7043235; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from devonshire.concentric.com (devonshire.concentric.com [207.155.248.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKGAAF042936 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: from PURCHASING (unknown [207.67.223.71]) by devonshire.concentric.com (ConcentricHost(2.54) Relay) with SMTP id 7A23740E6 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401c668a5$0fbc5090$133c0a0a@PURCHASING> From: "Julie" To: References: <200604251804.k3PI3FaK070859@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:15:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] eyelets in GFD X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:22:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E84F4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > Oh, on marking technique: Realistically, I know they probably didn't > measure. I've stopped using numeric measurements for almost every part of > my fitted dress construction, and I think I'm at about the point where I > don't need to measure eyelets either. I imagine the medieval seamstress > spaced eyelets with her finger or thumb, all the way down the row. > --Robin > Dang! I needed this last night. I put the "eyelets" into a GFD by carefully measuring 1" increments and off set with 1/2". Thumb would have been easier. I made tiny machine buttonholes. The dress is needed Saturday. Guess it's not an arts project . Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 16:41:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKfnAD018437 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:41:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PKfeQx012037; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:41:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKeoUm089133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKegtq081479; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PKeXAk081190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.58] (209-148-124-58.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PKeTqA013055 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:40:30 -0700 Message-ID: <444E893F.4040808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 13:40:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Teaching, was: Historical Films References: <29e.91e44fe.317b56fe@aol.com> <444C00FC.7020309@lavoltapress.com> <444C35C6.2020004@rogers.com> <444C3E24.7080406@lavoltapress.com> <55075.72.13.239.193.1145908469.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444D36E8.2020901@lavoltapress.com> <55431.72.13.239.193.1145912189.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <444E7F43.7020709@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <444E7F43.7020709@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:41:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E8984.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO > OK, but there is a difference between research (finding data) and > intepretation (of the data). One of the first things I learned in > upper-division history seminars is there are often serveral, equally > believable ways of interpreting the same data. After a certain point, > all you can give there is your logical argument. > > In other words, you're not always following someone else's ideas. I'll give you an example, BTW. Someone else has probably come up with this theory, somewhere, but I haven't seen it: Who got married at the wedding at Cana? (Let's assume this part of the Bible is a historical account, if incomplete. Since I'm an atheist, I don't buy the miracle. Just the same, Jesus was probably a historical prophet of some sort. Note: I know little about the historical marriage customs of this period.) Jesus is invited to the wedding at Cana. Mary (his mother) is prominently mentioned as being there. "They" run out of wine. Mary asks Jesus to supply the deficiency. He does (by miraculous means). He also makes a nasty (or at least peculiar) comment: "Woman, what have I to do with thee?" I think Jesus was probably married to Mary Magdalene, but unlike some, I don't think this was his wedding. If the King James translation of the Bible is any good, Jesus was invited to the wedding, which makes it unlikely that it was his own. On the other hand, his mother is prominently mentioned, and Jesus is expected to help with the catering. So it's likely the wedding was one of some close connection of his. My guess is that Mary, his mother, is the bride. Sure, she was married before, but there were years in which Joseph is not mentioned, giving Joseph plenty of time to succumb to some accident or disease. So she's remarrying. Etiquette probably requires her son to attend the wedding, but he doesn't like her remarrying, or at least he doesn't like her new husband. The comment above may mean, "Now you're married into someone else's family and are part of that family, not Joseph's/my father's." I think it sounds good . . . however, the wedding could quite plausibly have been that of any of Jesus's relatives or disciples. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:07:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PL7unD018935 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PL7mc2032664; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PL7TCK092851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PL7OJ5036648; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PL7H2R036451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:28364 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYUkl-0000l6-QY for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00e401c668ac$3c92e000$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:07:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:07:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E8FA4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The only two things I've found to worry about with leather are: A) The thickness of the leather, & making sure that your sewing machine can handle it--for the browncoat, I used suede that was nearly 1/8 thick, and though my machine actually was capable of handling 5 layers of it, it caused all sorts of problems. (But it was the only suede I could find in the right color, darn it!) You just can't finish thick suede as nicely as you can finish garment-weight (~1.5oz-3oz) suede, and you'll find yourself calling the ruttin' coat a piece of gos se often, dong le mah? B) Getting the seam right the first time. Any hole you make in the leather won't close back up again the way fabric would, so ty to aviod ripping out and re-sewing seams--it'll be obvious, and it will weaken the leather. Also, though a lot of people seem to like to use upholstery thread with leather, I didn't like the result at all; I used glazed cotton hand quilting thread, and it worked very well. -E House (It's more useful than Klingon, right?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:21:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLL6qK019112 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:21:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLKwah010450; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLKFSA094669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLK3cd051398; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLJn4v051122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3PLJhRs094007 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:19:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <30302.65.117.156.5.1145999984.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <00e401c668ac$3c92e000$9400a8c0@compaqub> References: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com> <00e401c668ac$3c92e000$9400a8c0@compaqub> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:19:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:21:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E92BA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try using button thread. It most resembles silk button twist and will not rip through your leather. Do not use the commercial silk embroidery threads that you find at your Jo-Anns or Walmart etc., they break, a lot. You can find good quality silk threads online now a days if you really want to go that route. But button thread should work well. Also, if they make it for your machine, get the teflon foot and plate. It makes life so much easier when working with leather or fake leather. :) The thicker the leather the more likely it will heal however. The thinner, no dice. Chiara On Tue, April 25, 2006 4:07 pm, E House said: > The only two things I've found to worry about with leather are: > A) The thickness of the leather, & making sure that your sewing > machine can > handle it--for the browncoat, I used suede that was nearly 1/8 > thick, and > though my machine actually was capable of handling 5 layers of it, > it caused > all sorts of problems. (But it was the only suede I could find in > the right > color, darn it!) You just can't finish thick suede as nicely as you > can > finish garment-weight (~1.5oz-3oz) suede, and you'll find yourself > calling > the ruttin' coat a piece of gos se often, dong le mah? > > B) Getting the seam right the first time. Any hole you make in the > leather > won't close back up again the way fabric would, so ty to aviod > ripping out > and re-sewing seams--it'll be obvious, and it will weaken the > leather. > > Also, though a lot of people seem to like to use upholstery thread > with > leather, I didn't like the result at all; I used glazed cotton hand > quilting > thread, and it worked very well. > > -E House > (It's more useful than Klingon, right?) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:23:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLNbPa019162 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:23:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLNTkF012251; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:23:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLN9Ul095111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLMr0e054203; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.areatech.com [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLMjPI054052 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CABE636646 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:22:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:22:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <444E893F.4040808@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] biblical example RE Teaching, was: Historical Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E9351.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was informed that at that time in Jewish history/customs. It was the groom's responsibility to make sure that there was plenty of wine. So, for Mary to be concerned about the quantity of wine implies some relation to the groom's side. For her to approach Jesus about it implies that Jesus is the groom or a possibility that Jesus was expected to pass on the information to the groom. Jesus taking care of it implies he is the groom. The comment I believe is in reference to her doubting him. The difference of research and interpretation is that interpretation is usually the next step after research. It is said that the King James's translation is not reliable. There are several alleged translation errors. Though there are modern translations that are not reliable as several "progressive" Christians have added things to it and placed interpretation that sometimes is contrary to the original. Example: the original is "Let not a poisoner live", King James: changed poisoner to "witch" And a "modern" translation had "witch, prostitute, homosexual, murderer...(there was two more but I can't remember what they were. "In other words, you're not always following someone else's ideas." Not so much not following someone's ideas but their interpretation of the information gathered. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:24:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLOofS019175 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:24:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLOf3a015274; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLO9lg095222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLNNn6054544; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:23:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLN5tr054303 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266361D0032 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24807-10 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DAB91D001D for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <041401c668ae$669c8610$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com> <444D57B2.3000608@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:22:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:24:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E9399.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > >> >> ************** >> Hopefully, every once in a while, there's some ART! >> > The line between entertainment and art is extremely flexible, unless > there's so much art you can't possibly view it as entertainment. > > With novels, it's like Charles Dickens, and many other authors, are one > generation's entertainment. Then later, just because they're old, they get > canonized in English Lit classes as ART. Don't get me wrong, I'm > perfectly happy to read the stuff and discuss the symbolism in it to my > and everyone else's heart's content. But it still seems a little ironic. And some of us still see it as entertainment--I found The Pickwick Papers to be one of the funniest books I ever read, and Sam Weller is quite possibly my favorite book character of all time. There are parts of that book that made me positively roar with laughter, and others that made me cry. Sometimes, the entertainment of previous days survives as entertainment as well as art, just because it's GOOD. To drag this kicking and screaming back on topic (at lest somewhat) I ahve always wanted to make a Sam Weller doll. Now I have to delve back into the book and read up on his clothing. Oh, the pain! (insert obligatory dramatic pose) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:25:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLPhZ8019195 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:25:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLPZ2e015692; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:25:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLP6VV095384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLP2n1056030; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PLOgfJ055746 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCE7E5JABLKA6A for (sender ); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNT5YV5T; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:22:43 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:06:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] GFD lacing spacing Message-ID: <20060425.142120.2636.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:2:3937257453 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgg+gPxnFd22J8SpZlkGYVYs= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:25:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E93CF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Re: eyelets. There's a nice article in Renaissance magazine (the issue that came out before the current one) on doing those, both without and with rings--even a costume ignoramus like myself understood what the author was talking about. Laurie, would you like to borrow it? Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:32:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLWp71019274 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLWhxf019003; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLUWqg096055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLUCGQ060836; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53213.mail.yahoo.com (web53213.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PL3XF1029657 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gythaofnorthumbria@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52775 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 21:03:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IP1ObJMWPzOyOXs0u+6HrLx/8H/yAUpJnrZtZ4vTp7kv52uIn3619eAhuAmaWso3tTWT7gepcOqjkPu/NdrJciq8fQKCPY9OzzQLY7E+0j+JvCve36EwoS4X4MkBkYwByKi/5XdfKXuWZoY5Og7jO5mnjDLcxqMEMzxYKZwp4vs= ; Message-ID: <20060425210321.52773.qmail@web53213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.14.85.76] by web53213.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:21 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:03:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gytha Stonegrinder Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:32:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E957B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got mine today! Looks good! Thanks, Kathy Catherine Kinsey wrote: >I'll be interested in knowing when people get their copies. I still don't >have mine, which is apparently on the slow boat from England. > >--Robin ============================== I just got an email notification from Amazon that my pre-ordered copy is on the way. At this rate it could beat my pre-ordered copy of Tudor Tailor........ Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:36:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLarA2019350 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLajC7022076; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLaSwM096920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLaD7W066421; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLa55Y066233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.126.183] (209-148-126-183.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PLZvYN006218 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:35:59 -0700 Message-ID: <444E963F.7080300@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:35:59 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] biblical example RE Teaching, was: Historical Films References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:36:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E966D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Not so much not following someone's ideas but their interpretation of the > information gathered. That's not what I meant, either. There is no need to "follow" someone else's interpretation if you can make your own interpretation from the same facts. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 17:49:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLn6gI019560 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PLmwPI029936; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLmV1r098527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLmMp1077473; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.areatech.com [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLmCOD077281 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E71136646 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:48:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] biblical example RE Teaching, was: Historical Films Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:48:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <444E963F.7080300@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:49:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E994A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Perhaps I didn't phrase it right. Basically, I was switching "ideas" for "interpretation", thus saying, "you're not always following someone else's interpretation" De -----Original Message----- > Not so much not following someone's ideas but their interpretation of the > information gathered. That's not what I meant, either. There is no need to "follow" someone else's interpretation if you can make your own interpretation from the same facts. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:10:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMAQXX020012 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:10:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMAIaA011351; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:10:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PM9o5w001848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PM9m33097602; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PM9gZl097411 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.382.1e373b7 (2168) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <382.1e373b7.317ff819@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:09:29 EDT Subject: re: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444E9E4A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO no idea on the former question, but on the latter (coat), have you tried jas townsend's?? (don't have url to hand, sorry, but whenever I need them I google or yahoo them....) debbie ps - also have no idea what their patterns are like, as I don't use comm. patterns, but am sure I've seen rev war stuff in their cat. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:13:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMDebw020072 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:13:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMDTc3013168; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:13:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMDEDv002480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMDC0c001301; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMD6eE001056 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2bd.8c4a195 (2168) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2bd.8c4a195.317ff8e5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:12:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Request Please remove me from the h-costume@mail.indra. 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Status: RO You have to follow these instructions to unsubscribe, as detailed at teh top of every digest (though I know not every body get this in digest form). Debbie In a message dated 4/25/06 10:27:32 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:18:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMI5Tc020140 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMHvO4015757; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMFie6002842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLfFiF070987; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLf4Po070760 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24765.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.101]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B7B07FAC056 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:41:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003601c668b0$f6d3db50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:41:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EA015.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Now this topic is up, does any of you know of any good tv plays to buy on tape or dvd? I remember back some years where i have seen quite many interresting plays or tv dramas from the end of 17th century. I believe it was real old plays from 17th century. There is one special i remember very well, it was gorgeous made with the costumes, but who could this have ben? It must have ben BBC who made it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:18:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMIEmR020148 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMI6WO026120; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMFieA002842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLdSMA069690; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:39:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLdG5m069462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.126.183] (209-148-126-183.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.183]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PLdFgX005206 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:39:15 -0700 Message-ID: <444E9705.6040003@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:39:17 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com> <444D57B2.3000608@lavoltapress.com> <041401c668ae$669c8610$154d4e40@Stuckis> In-Reply-To: <041401c668ae$669c8610$154d4e40@Stuckis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:18:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EA01E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > And some of us still see it as entertainment--I found The Pickwick > Papers to be one of the funniest books I ever read, and Sam Weller is > quite possibly my favorite book character of all time. There are parts > of that book that made me positively roar with laughter, and others that > made me cry. Sometimes, the entertainment of previous days survives as > entertainment as well as art, just because it's GOOD. Absolutely. But some stuff gets canonized that probably never was very good, either because it's early, or because it's "art." And other stuff that's perfectly good, at least as entertainment, gets "lost," at least for a long time, because it goes out of style, or becauze it's by a minority author, or because it's an early work that was destroyed. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMMuVr020230 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMMmSa018705; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMFie8002842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLf0I3070707; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PLeVHi070424 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1118839wra for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ajpVTHd3cOlZauRrFKP+EMrDzKUb9SwsGyDEcu5e7IfKnpmGIFjhvfRv/SXksk18CUEuPQGJX2wSFCE3gpCRV7scUA6B/ewoGlEf6oXZnjQ+4iFC/s/jL96+KyrQAoex5G2BHhEUUqlsj2JoqIOoLSaQwwlp3Dk8tQcayUfbARo= Received: by 10.54.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr1608100wrd; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.135.15 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:40:30 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc./ Costume Close-Up for sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3PLeVHi070424 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EA138.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>If the Eagle one is too late, how 'bout using the workmans breeches in >>"Costume Close-Up", the Williamsburg book? >It's something about not owning that book... > CarolynKayta Barrows >dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian I happen to own 2 copies. When I was there I bought an extra just in case someone might want it. Do you want it? It's brand new. No eye-prints on it or anything. Pay cover price & it's yours. If anyone else on h-cost wants it, same deal. If you live in or around Silicon Valley, no postage! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:36:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMaDIM020499 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:36:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMa5dl026708; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:36:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMZSc4005268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMZPc3022289; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3PMZLs2022110 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 15507 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2006 22:34:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zG9FkOIUV8WX4r9mL4OtScvszB838PZrM9zq3oTOQQVwMC5W8bSMsz1CrseYJiJyuee/8YBM8BT9PRY01LG/DsyfXsa5KEwuvafcbWbhkAsJd+Z/1GRnnM2uI/rUCRRLcjncxBJJqKxkdBA/duNLFq6wt7oqzVjFLLUCRklAgoo= ; Message-ID: <20060425223459.15505.qmail@web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.254.13.195] by web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:34:59 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:36:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EA455.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is why I prefer video/DVD - nobody cares when I yell at the screen at home. It took several years, but I finally quit taking costume notes at live theater. I still notice - I just don't write it down anymore. --- kelly grant wrote: > > but because of my DH the entire family is known to > yell >at > > the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK > UP >THE AMMO/WEAPON", > > as > > the good guy runs around ect... > > Our favourite thing to make us yell at the > screen..."Close the damn door!" > When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to > door open, to be closed > miraculously by someone else! Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:52:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMqcIN020779 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:52:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMqUcn003879; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMqAjv007398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMq7xP037811; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMps9r037604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.192] (209-148-120-192.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.192]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PMoQKd004849 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: <444EA7B1.6000106@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:50:25 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] biblical example RE Teaching, was: Historical Films References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:52:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EA82E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Exactly. Fran otsisto wrote: > Perhaps I didn't phrase it right. > Basically, I was switching "ideas" for "interpretation", thus saying, > "you're not always following someone else's interpretation" > De > > > -----Original Message----- > > >>Not so much not following someone's ideas but their interpretation of the >>information gathered. > > > That's not what I meant, either. There is no need to "follow" someone > else's interpretation if you can make your own interpretation from the > same facts. > > Fran > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 18:56:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMuEoY020834 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PMu6TY006173; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMrc4r007587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:53:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMraDd039174; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PMrVmM039018 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.288.9921b5d (58677) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <288.9921b5d.31800261@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:53:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EA906.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:24:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goofy1@suscom.net writes: Sometimes, the entertainment of previous days survives as entertainment as well as art, just because it's GOOD. ***************** Why is it assumed that art is not entertaining? Weird. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 19:03:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PN3rQl020942 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:03:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PN3i1G011477; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:03:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PN3Koh008849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PN3Fwo047564; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:03:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PN38KN047478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.192] (209-148-120-192.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.192]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3PN36R4009988 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:03:07 -0700 Message-ID: <444EAAAC.1010808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:03:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama References: <003601c668b0$f6d3db50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <003601c668b0$f6d3db50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:03:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EAAD0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Broadway Theatre Archive has DVDs of stage plays--from a variety of theaters--from an old TV series. That, they say, is why the images tend to be rather fuzzy. The quality of the performances is all over the map. There is a very good "Tartuffe," an awful "School for Scandal," a good "The Rivals," an interesting "Taming of the Shrew" done in the commedia dell' arte tradition, and a good "Cyrano de Bergerac" set in the 17th century. For modern, there's some good Eugene O'Neill if you like to spend an evening getting depressed (I call him America's Ibsen), and some good Thornton Wilder. Search Amazon DVDs for "Broadway Theatre Archive," and you'll see dozens more. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Now this topic is up, does any of you know of any good tv plays to buy > on tape or dvd? I remember back some years where i have seen quite many > interresting plays or tv dramas from the end of 17th century. I believe > it was real old plays from 17th century. There is one special i remember > very well, it was gorgeous made with the costumes, but who could this > have ben? > It must have ben BBC who made it. > > Bjarne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 19:30:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PNUSuD021497 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:30:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3PNUKYE028964; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PNTn78011997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PNTjxv069575; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3PNTfSN069440 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.390.1de2ae2 (58677) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <390.1de2ae2.31800adc@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:29:32 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:30:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EB10C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 7:04:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: The Broadway Theatre Archive ************** Yes....well worth checking out...even the "bad" productions. I remember when "School for Scandal" aired. I was in college then and all my design teachers LOVED the costumes! YIKES! They're dreadful but for Mrs Candor's. The "King Lear" with James Earl Jones and Raul Julia is GREAT....and it has many things against it ...like it was a Shakespeare in the Park performance filmed outside with the [by today's standards] large mikes CF on every costume. "The Skin of our Teeth" is very good too. And there's also American Film Theatre...which is equally uneven. I'm not sure if there's anything 17th century in there. There is "Luther". And "Galileo". There's a great "The Iceman Cometh" [Takes place in the 19 teens] which is loooong and you want to kill yourself afterwards, but it is perfection. Eonesco's "Rhinoceros" is not great but worth a look. Same for Genet's "The Maids". Ahhhhhh....remember when theatre and dance and opera were considered worthwhile in America, not luxuries? The good old days.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 20:32:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q0WLT9022875 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:32:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q0WDKH001819; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q0VW5c018504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q0VN35017687; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q0VAhh017477 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D8F510101 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16512-01-99 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 35AA9510108 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03ee01c668c8$a02bc9d0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <288.9921b5d.31800261@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:30:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:32:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EBF8D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > > In a message dated 4/25/2006 5:24:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > goofy1@suscom.net writes: > > Sometimes, the entertainment of previous days survives as entertainment > as > well as art, just because it's GOOD. > > > > > ***************** > > Why is it assumed that art is not entertaining? Weird. Perhaps because everyone has heard of "this wonderful artistic film or book" (insert film or book of your choice) that turns out to be an absolute crashing bore, but receives rave reviews because it's "art". (It's late, I am seriously caffeine deprive, please don't ask me tonight for specific examples.) I know that Picasso is considered fine art. I still don't like it. It simply doesn't appeal to me. The Harry Potter books are *not* considered fine art, but they are entertaining. I happen to enjoy them thoroughly. I haven't read the DaVinci code, or seen *any* of the films we've been discussing here. Amusement parks bore me to tears, museums bring me to tears of joy. To each his own, right? Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 21:25:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1PXJW024098 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:25:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q1PP2t032682; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:25:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1OXYQ024600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1OVt6059191; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1OR5q059116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:10219 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYYle-0001o9-Ew for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <015001c668d0$288244b0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190604241645r340e175er1b6372866df4e561@mail.gmail.com><00e401c668ac$3c92e000$9400a8c0@compaqub> <30302.65.117.156.5.1145999984.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:24:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:25:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444ECC05.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" > Also, if they make it for your machine, get the teflon foot and > plate. It makes life so much easier when working with leather or > fake leather. :) I got a walking foot for my project, and loved it so much that I now use it almost exclusively! For that matter, the last time I got a sewing machine, I spent almost as much on various special purpose feet, and have yet to consider them a waste of money. I don't use them often, but when I do, they're indispensible. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 21:49:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1nhaD024687 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:49:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q1nZwY013756; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:49:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1nHUY028011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:49:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1nE6J078208; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q1n96L078160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:10287 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYZ9W-0003sz-7x for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <019801c668d3$9a658350$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com> <444D57B2.3000608@lavoltapress.com><041401c668ae$669c8610$154d4e40@Stuckis> <444E9705.6040003@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:48:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444ED1AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > Absolutely. But some stuff gets canonized that probably never was very > good, either because it's early, or because it's "art." Along these lines, I have something to get off my chest: I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! Whew. There. I feel much better now. -E House (Also, eyebrowlessness is a huge pet peeve of mine.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 22:14:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q2E2Ax025185 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:14:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q2DsYQ028889; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:13:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q28aVE030047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q28ZD2093591; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3Q28WE7093480 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52315 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2006 02:08:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=429KSbWOznnEef07W9xNc9FJDyVI/kf6xDLKAhkOJydqqu/R50cl+OXAUoVmQ/dtJJiKTVLafM18eEmi0PdCmxhO5myr8IWNzc78iGZlqyb/Be/9XhMQMCQWUlgoKsSc+CC0qSj6Xypvan4Yl39qtk2nhpgVKX1/DG5ozlZqCNQ= ; Message-ID: <20060426020826.52313.qmail@web51310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.74] by web51310.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:08:26 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:08:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mohicans was Re: Titanic film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:13:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444ED762.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't read Fenimore Cooper (I have tried), but Mark Twain's "The Literary Offences of Fenimore Cooper" is a very funny piece. Ann in CT p.s. Who is running the Mohegan Sun casino? ac --- Lavolta Press wrote: > > I haven't read the book, which hopefully explains > things like this. But > in the film, I thought they were idiots. > > Fran > Lavolta Press __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 22:32:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q2W8Cc025624 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:32:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q2W0pD007976; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:32:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q2VYk3032424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q2VW6A010563; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q2VOpS010428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-197-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.197]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3Q2VL7Z012199 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:31:22 +1000 Message-ID: <00b901c668d9$814f2f00$c5d8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com><444D57B2.3000608@lavoltapress.com><041401c668ae$669c8610$154d4e40@Stuckis><444E9705.6040003@lavoltapress.com> <019801c668d3$9a658350$9400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:31:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:32:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EDBA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Along these lines, I have something to get off my chest: > I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! > Whew. There. I feel much better now. > > -E House > (Also, eyebrowlessness is a huge pet peeve of mine.) > Well I believe Leonardo da Vinci would agree with you, he never was satisfied with it and X-rays have shown 4 complete re-drafts of the painting. But he seems to have had a love-hate relationship with the painting because he couldn't get it right. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 23:04:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q345Qh026249 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q33vQO028020; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q33fVP035895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q33Zth034777; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q33R3b034629 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d8.9b2466 (4214) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:03:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EE31D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goofy1@suscom.net writes: I know that Picasso is considered fine art. I still don't like it. It simply doesn't appeal to me. ******************** What a strange statement, since he paints in many different styles during his career. Do you not like the blue period? The rose period? His neoclassical? Cubism?And he also does etchings and lithographs and sculpture. Just what are you referring to? Perhaps if you knew something about what he was trying to communicate, you might "get" some of his works. What do you think he was up to? I don't particularly like Matisse, but I would never declare it "not art". And though his paintings leave me cold, his cut paper collages I like very much. Both these artists have so much to do with imagery and attitudes we take for granted today, it's amazing. They are a major part of our culture. It has more to do with whether a lot of people like it or not or whether it makes money. Often one has to meet really exceptional stuff half way. It often takes an effort on the part of the audience as well as a considerable about of effort from the artist. One cannot just expect to sit passively and be spoon fed everything....though this is what many people expect. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 23:04:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q34m2l026266 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q34eHK013650; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q34VXr035937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q34Uam035464; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q34QPQ035347 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3e6.76be70 (4214) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EE348.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:51:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! *************** Have you seen it in person? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 23:21:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3LrBl026614 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:21:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q3LjkA006420; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:21:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3LZeP037862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3LXoi047548; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3LT37047485 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 924386474 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: <193701c668e0$5bdb4ea0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:20:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:21:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EE749.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! > > *************** > > Have you seen it in person? I have, and I didn't think it was worth fighting the crush of people standing around it. Also it was so dark as to make it hard to see. The time spent working my way towards the painting and fighting my way out again would have been much better spent in any number of relatively empty galleries. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 23:34:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3Y4Ys026864 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:34:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q3XtXN013628; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:33:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3Vugd038726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:31:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3VrAS054412; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3VmUH054352 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B172130BE6 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:31:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-74.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-74.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.74]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:31:45 +1000 Message-ID: <1146022305.444ee9a11cbdf@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:31:45 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks References: <2a3.913c498.317fcd8c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2a3.913c498.317fcd8c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:33:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EEA23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > girlfriend or his niece unless he feels that she can do the job. > Then there was the dramatization of the fleeing Russian royal family who all had thier corsets on upside-down, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 23:43:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3hZm4027099 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:43:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q3hRtG018456; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:43:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3h4A7039997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3h3rn062257; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3gxXI062130 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB914B5DE for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:42:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-74.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-74.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.74]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:42:52 +1000 Message-ID: <1146022972.444eec3c0a760@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:42:52 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com> <000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <3586f5070604250628rf0178edkd9e40f1c20014af5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3586f5070604250628rf0178edkd9e40f1c20014af5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Titanic film/live X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EEC5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you thought that awful Celine Dion and the skull-scraping heart-going-on song was bad, you'd better go hide under the blankets for a couple of years. Someone is doing Titanic the Musical, rehearsals start mid-year. Anyone got an ice maker? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 25 23:48:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3mG95027201 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:48:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q3m75S021019; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:48:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3j0hd040125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3ix4i063638; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q3it2u063493 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f2.5d70af (16109) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed444eecac5c; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:44:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <193701c668e0$5bdb4ea0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com> <193701c668e0$5bdb4ea0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Message-Id: <1ca17d05ebdafd84f4eba570388883fe@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:44:42 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:48:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EED77.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw the Mona Lisa this past summer. The crowds were very distracting to being able to see her and appreciate her. My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with all it's details. No one was looking at that painting, so I was able to spend far more time, "up close and personal" with that painting than the Mona Lisa. If I could have had the same viewing opportunity, I would most likely have enjoyed the Mona Lisa much more. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb ---------- On Apr 25, 2006, at 11:20 PM, Land of Oz wrote: >> I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! >> >> *************** >> >> Have you seen it in person? > > > > I have, and I didn't think it was worth fighting the crush of people > standing around it. Also it was so dark as to make it hard to see. > The time spent working my way towards the painting and fighting my way > out again would have been much better spent in any number of > relatively empty galleries. > > Denise > Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 00:06:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q461dP027532 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:06:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q45rZA031366; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:05:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q45VH3042101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:05:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q45THE077844; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-f11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.21]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q45Qcb077815 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marccarlson20@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:05:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.0.79.153] X-Originating-Email: [marccarlson20@hotmail.com] X-Sender: marccarlson20@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200604252046.k3PKj8qv091232@net.indra.com> From: "Marc Carlson" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:05:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2006 04:05:25.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5876B00:01C668E6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:05:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EF1A1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO From: aquazoo@patriot.net >Generally Rev War events, at least on the East coast, have >participants organized in military units. Is it a battle event? If >so, then it's probably mostly reenactment units. The organization is >important for safety and "walk on" participants are discouraged. I'll have to check. The guy who invited me is from a unit of Highlanders, but I was thinking I'd just stick to my civilian clothes. Unfortunately, those have about everything I need -- except a coat. OTOH, if it's strictly military thing, I'll probably just stick to modern stuff. >... As far as a coat, again this depends on what you are doing at the >event. Military, militia, civilian? You could get by with a fairly >uncomplicated sleeved waistcoat. Are there any good patterns readily available? From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com >no idea on the former question, but on the latter (coat), have you tried >jas townsend's?? (don't have url to hand, sorry, but whenever I need them >I google or yahoo them....) I'll have to check them. Thanks. Marc _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 00:12:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4CCOV027658 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:12:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q4C4tB002391; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4BqhP042782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:11:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4Bp0R082360; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4BlYq082246 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYB008W5ABF0H70@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:11:37 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks In-reply-to: <1146022305.444ee9a11cbdf@webmail.netspace.net.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EF314.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey, they were in a hurry! :-) Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:32 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mel Gibson flicks > girlfriend or his niece unless he feels that she can do the job. > Then there was the dramatization of the fleeing Russian royal family who all had thier corsets on upside-down, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 00:14:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4EXAn027720 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:14:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q4EPTK003725; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4EEd2043033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4EELJ084052; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4EB3s083992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.175] (209-148-121-175.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3Q4E5RH031313 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:14:06 -0700 Message-ID: <444EF38F.9050403@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:14:07 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films References: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:14:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EF3A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I feel that way about Van Gogh. Fran AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/25/2006 8:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > goofy1@suscom.net writes: > > I know that Picasso is considered fine art. I still don't like > it. It simply doesn't appeal to me. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 00:28:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4S4I1027963 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:28:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q4Rta0011012; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:27:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4Rfex043983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4ReiZ093047; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4RbKl092979 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f2.5e443d (48624) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chindora@aol.com Message-ID: <3f2.5e443d.318050af@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:27:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic film/live To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:27:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444EF6CB.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey, I have seen the Titanic Musical, and it is wonderful. I saw both the movie and the musical, and believe me the musical is worth watching, assuming it is performed by a competent ensemble. The only thing it has in common with the movie is the name of the ship and a few characters. Regrettable that it gets lumped in with the movie, but there it is. I went to see the play in spite of the movie, and am glad I did. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 01:38:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5c2Jw029702 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:38:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q5bs7C014557; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5bNTH049424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5bENt038772; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5bBlU038654 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3dc.9f1863 (4214) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:37:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3dc.9f1863.318060fc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:37:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:37:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F0732.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 11:22:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, landofoz@netins.net writes: I have, and I didn't think it was worth fighting the crush of people standing around it. Also it was so dark as to make it hard to see. The time spent working my way towards the painting and fighting my way out again would have been much better spent in any number of relatively empty galleries. **************** I can understand that. I heard many a complaint about its display. But it's still art, of course. I hate Pachelbel's Canon. It's not even a canon! I find Vivaldi writes the same pleasant but ultimately boring concerto over and over again. But they are still art. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 01:44:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5iefF029837 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:44:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q5iWN0018917; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:44:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5h5JY050005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5h5M0042651; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5h1KD042547 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3a1.1d0c46c (4214) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3a1.1d0c46c.3180625a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:42:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic film/live To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:44:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F08C0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 11:43:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: If you thought that awful Celine Dion and the skull-scraping heart-going-on song was bad, you'd better go hide under the blankets for a couple of years. Someone is doing Titanic the Musical, rehearsals start mid-year. Anyone got an ice maker? ******************* Ay-yay-yay! Chorus: "Oh God! The ship's practically upside down! And I think we're all gonna drown! Rose was trapped below But Jack's freed her! Where's Ester Williams When you need her?" tap dance.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 01:48:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5mKZ4029902 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:48:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q5mDWM021465; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:48:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5m1st050375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5m1xB045787; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5lvan045735 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k3Q5lAbi023778 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:47:10 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.60.2] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-2.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.2]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5llJN011788 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:47:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060425223549.033a4408@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:36:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] fall front trousers, etc./ Costume Close-Up for sale In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:48:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F099D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I happen to own 2 copies. When I was there I bought an extra just in >case someone might want it. Do you want it? It's brand new. No >eye-prints on it or anything. Pay cover price & it's yours. >If anyone else on h-cost wants it, same deal. If you live in or around >Silicon Valley, no postage! I'm interested, but just bought another book today, full of photos of women in trousers. Could we do some kind of trade? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 01:49:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5ndHl029930 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:49:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q5nVbC015456; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:49:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5nJpG050480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5nJ40046549; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3Q5nE5g046363 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 57175 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 05:49:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.90 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 05:49:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426064633.01dcc0e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:47:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com> References: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] was Historical Films now "Art" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:49:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444F09EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:04 26/04/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:51:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >formfunc@formfunction.org writes: > >I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! > > > >*************** > > >Have you seen it in person? I have. I don't think it's a great painting either. Different style, but give me a Nicholas Hilliard miniature every time. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 01:51:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5p7Cx029951 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:51:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q5oxaa023209; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:51:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5okmC050544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5okIj047423; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q5ognK047338 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ea.607d86 (4214) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:50:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3ea.607d86.31806429@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:50:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F0A43.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 12:14:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: I feel that way about Van Gogh. Fran ************** Fran! Oh no! Too bad! Oh well. I saw the exhibit in DC a while back. The colors were amazing. Those paintings of lavender irises in mint green leaves! Breath taking! [It was neat how his pallet changed over the years. Dark...blacks and browns [Potato Eaters]...to subtle greens and lavenders and pinks and blues [the irises and sunflowers]....to intense and bold [Starry Night and the Crows in the Wheat Field] And again....whether one likes it or not....it's art. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 02:19:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6JWNV004806 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:19:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q6JO4m010766; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:19:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6JCE9052996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6JBbZ065568; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6J8sQ065524 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jdegregoria@hvc.rr.com) Received: from grapeape (cpe-69-201-219-49.hvc.res.rr.com [69.201.219.49]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6Gg8N005290 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:16:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "J Degregoria" To: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200604260322.k3Q3Lsnd047751@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3Q6J8sQ065524 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A little help please???? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:19:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F10EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Been lurking for a couple of weeks now, and heard about the Tudor Tailor book, got it and love it..big thanks to all who spoke of it before it came out. Question is, I am Scadian, but have a friend who asked me for a pattern for a Rev war era fitted bodice. She said that they were incorrectly called Jumps for awhile. Anyone know what it is I need? Any patterns online anywhere? I can enlarge a print-out, and probably fit it without toooo much problem, but I would not say that I am any more than an 'adequate' seamstress. Thanks for the help Ailionora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 02:58:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6vxwd019284 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:57:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q6vpDo005838; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:57:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6qJmZ055202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6qFZw086980; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6q6ST086902 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:52:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A763AB0426; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:46:59 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c668fd$f199c940$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060425140817.01e2ad08@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:57:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F19EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Absolutely gorgeous! SharonC. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:09 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] about shaping bones in stays At 13:41 25/04/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >Yes, they also steamed the bones in 18th century, acording to Janet >Arnold. I can bend my wissner boning, so that it gets a curved shape, >and it works nicely i think. Anyway, i replaced the thick 2 mm. bones >inside with thinner bones 1mm. Its the more soft plastic boning i used >for them. And speaking of it, i actually have finished the stays now! >If you would like to have a look: >Next time i have time for it, i think i will try to make a tape >dress stand with a mock up pair of stays inside, to get the right >shape. Its so annoying with the modern dress stands, they are no use >at all........... > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm >Dear Sarah, thanks for your very informative informations, ill keep >this in mind! > Nice job as always Bjarne - your work is always so precise, a quality I envy. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 03:46:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q7kvd6027427 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:46:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q7knMc003599; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:46:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q7kYXE058939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q7kXZE022043; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q7kTRU021994 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A42215F054A; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:41:22 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]OT Canonizing work just because its old Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:46:34 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c66905$8a773920$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <444E9705.6040003@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:46:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F2569.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree. "The Scarlet Letter" is a classic. But in my 290 page copy, 50 pages are devoted to The Custom House, where the "manuscript" is found. A modern editor would red line that right out! Just because something is old, doesn't make it good. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 2:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > And some of us still see it as entertainment--I found The Pickwick > Papers to be one of the funniest books I ever read, and Sam Weller is > quite possibly my favorite book character of all time. There are parts > of that book that made me positively roar with laughter, and others that > made me cry. Sometimes, the entertainment of previous days survives as > entertainment as well as art, just because it's GOOD. Absolutely. But some stuff gets canonized that probably never was very good, either because it's early, or because it's "art." And other stuff that's perfectly good, at least as entertainment, gets "lost," at least for a long time, because it goes out of style, or becauze it's by a minority author, or because it's an early work that was destroyed. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 04:03:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q838uC029049 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:03:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q82p2h013740; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:02:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q82cri060893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q82aBV033962; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q82WJW033916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11368 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYeyl-0004mZ-BK for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:02:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01f701c66907$c67742b0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com> <193701c668e0$5bdb4ea0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:02:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:02:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F292B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- >> Have you seen it in person? I seriously doubt that seeing it in person would change my opinion about it. It would give me a better view of LdV's technical skill with a paint brush, but not much--there are some very detailed photos out there, and I don't have to deal with a crowd and reflections on glass in order to view them. And it's not a question of the details, the brush strokes, the exact (current) shades of paint that makes me feel the painting is overrated; it's the sort of thing that I can see even in a relatively low-resolution image of it. It's a matter of composition, depth, lighting, and the way the shadows are dealt with. But then, I don't really care much for Italianate artwork of that period. I don't like the diffuse lighting, I don't like the shading, I don't like the arty blurring, I don't like the style of landscape painting, I don't like a whole long laundry list of things about it. Personal taste, and it most certainly affects my impressions of the Mona Lisa, but there you go. I'm certainly not saying it's a BAD painting--in fact, I'd say it's pretty good--but it is so very, very overrated. And frankly, there have been very few paintings that didn't disappoint me when I saw them in person! I wish it weren't so, but it is. The paintings I like best are generally the ones that I saw in person first. There's this one of Joan of Arc I've been trying to re-find for over a decade, but I don't know the title, date, or artist.... -E House (PS--I like Van Gogh's color choice, but doubt I'd pay more than about $35 for a painting by him. Other than the whole investment thing, of course. Ditto Monet.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 04:41:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q8elok006712 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q8ed3u003995; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q8cIsr062939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:38:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q8cGHv057328; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3Q8cBkJ057246 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 53046 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 08:38:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.90 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 08:38:06 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426093642.01da9fc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:38:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> References: <200604260322.k3Q3Lsnd047751@net.indra.com> <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:40:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F3207.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is someone on this list who makes reproduction Tudor jewellery - I thought I had it book marked but I can't find it. Can anyone help please? Suzi (who seems to have mislaid a lot of things this week!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 05:16:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9GhsL015322 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:16:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q9GY03027180; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:16:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9Fl90066583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9FiCw081624; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9FB2j081305 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24730.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.48]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D4A2262841 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:15:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001801c66911$efa3fca0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003601c668b0$f6d3db50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <444EAAAC.1010808@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:15:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:16:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F3A72.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Fran, Much obliged, that i will do. Manny thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama > The Broadway Theatre Archive has DVDs of stage plays--from a variety of > theaters--from an old TV series. That, they say, is why the images tend > to be rather fuzzy. The quality of the performances is all over the map. > There is a very good "Tartuffe," an awful "School for Scandal," a good > "The Rivals," an interesting "Taming of the Shrew" done in the commedia > dell' arte tradition, and a good "Cyrano de Bergerac" set in the 17th > century. For modern, there's some good Eugene O'Neill if you like to > spend an evening getting depressed (I call him America's Ibsen), and some > good Thornton Wilder. > > Search Amazon DVDs for "Broadway Theatre Archive," and you'll see dozens > more. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Hi, >> Now this topic is up, does any of you know of any good tv plays to buy on >> tape or dvd? I remember back some years where i have seen quite many >> interresting plays or tv dramas from the end of 17th century. I believe >> it was real old plays from 17th century. There is one special i remember >> very well, it was gorgeous made with the costumes, but who could this >> have ben? >> It must have ben BBC who made it. >> >> Bjarne >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 05:21:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9LFJk015978 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:21:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q9L7aS029902; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:21:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9KeeT066950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9Kegc084894; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9KaqH084843 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24730.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.48]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DBFB4A50074 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:20:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002c01c66912$b43221f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <289.97411ec.317e97fd@aol.com><444D57B2.3000608@lavoltapress.com><041401c668ae$669c8610$154d4e40@Stuckis><444E9705.6040003@lavoltapress.com> <019801c668d3$9a658350$9400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:20:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:21:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F3B83.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I had the same experience last week i went to se a Rembrandt exibition. I didnt like his paintings, but i loved many of his students paintings. Rembrandt made biblical motifs, rarely any live pictures. But some of his students made some stunning portraits and outdoor scenes with figures, besides they were much more bright and positive. Rembrandt is two dark and serious to my taste........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavolta Press" >> Absolutely. But some stuff gets canonized that probably never was very >> good, either because it's early, or because it's "art." > > Along these lines, I have something to get off my chest: > I don't think the Mona Lisa is really all that great a painting! > Whew. There. I feel much better now. > > -E House > (Also, eyebrowlessness is a huge pet peeve of mine.) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 05:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9Tn4n017655 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:29:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q9TfuN002642; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:29:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9TQWP067747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9TPkH091401; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9TL3e091272 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060426092914.HVKJ11507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:14 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.154.133.198]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060426092913.QYMV8268.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:13 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.4.6/324]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:19 +1200 Message-ID: <01bf01c66913$e4c68b70$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660604240510g2d7a17b3y8e9653778aaa0a5@mail.gmail.com><010301c667b0$193de6b0$0301010a@michaela> <72adc2660604240813y631dc67dsee46f5b8759f6311@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:29:18 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hall's Chronicles and Update on Henry VIII book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:29:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F3D85.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Here's the info on the Inventory. > > The Inventory of King Henry VIII. (Hardcover) > by D. Starkey (Editor), David Starey (Editor) Ah, that book:) Thanks for that. I think I saved some earlier info, but I have so many emails not yet sorted;) I think someone mentioned a book available via Google Books as well. I suspect that was in regard to one of the Marys.... For those others who may have been wondering, Hall's Chronicles are availble on the web here: http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=halle&PagePosition=1 Actually there are many many texts from the 9thC on there. http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/flash.cfm You can browse by period. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 25/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 05:40:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9eaSk018692 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:40:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q9eS7L009936; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9eGB8069761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9eFVb098836; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3Q9e8cC098687 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 64044 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 09:40:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.90 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 09:40:02 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426103402.01e15150@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] A little help please???? In-Reply-To: <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> References: <200604260322.k3Q3Lsnd047751@net.indra.com> <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:40:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F400C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 07:19 26/04/2006, you wrote: >Been lurking for a couple of weeks now, and heard about the Tudor Tailor >book, got it and love it..big thanks to all who spoke of it before it came >out. >Question is, I am Scadian, but have a friend who asked me for a pattern for >a Rev war era fitted bodice. She said that they were incorrectly called >Jumps for awhile. Anyone know what it is I need? Any patterns online >anywhere? I can enlarge a print-out, and probably fit it without toooo much >problem, but I would not say that I am any more than an 'adequate' >seamstress. > Thanks for >the help I have always understood jumps to be a type of unboned stays, and not an outer garment. They seem to have been around at the very end of the 18th and into the early 19th century, with the high waisted dresses. I don't know about patterns on-line, but you will find bodice patterns in "Fitting and Proper" and "Costume Close-up" both American publications, and "Patterns of Fashion 1660-1860" by Janet Arnold, "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800" by Jean Hunnisett, and "Cut of Women's Clothes" by Norah Waugh, all U.K publications but available in the U.S. You will also find loads of paper patterns in various places. I don't have web addresses, but I know that Five Rivers Chapmanry (not sure of proper title) and Jas Townsend among others sell patterns. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 05:49:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9nawh019627 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q9nS1B014979; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9nGPp072349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9nFfP005214; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9nCu2005103 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d9.a3c9d4 (2612) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3d9.a3c9d4.31809c0c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:00 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:49:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F4228.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/25/2006 11:45:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pasovasz@aol.com writes: My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with all it's details. Don't leave us hanging--what painting was that? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 05:53:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9rkOr020108 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:53:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3Q9rcXM018308; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9qq1n073324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9qpwH007391; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q9qkvG007271 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 03:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.325.340f493 (2612) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <325.340f493.31809ce4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:52:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] A little help please???? 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 2:19:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jdegregoria@hvc.rr.com writes: but have a friend who asked me for a pattern for a Rev war era fitted bodice. She said that they were incorrectly called Jumps for awhile. Anyone know what it is I need? Any patterns online anywhere? I can enlarge a print-out, and probably fit it without toooo much problem, but I would not say that I am any more than an 'adequate' seamstress. Uh, this garment is now generally known as "the mythical bodice," or a name that can't be sent via the Internet. Not sure how you will dissuade her, but, believe me, she should be dissuaded. The 18thc Woman list is just going through this topic again. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 06:23:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QANYgx029064 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:23:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QANPDT004360; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAN6g4082442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAN2Es027452; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:23:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAMx1X027347 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CC821D0005 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27735-10 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5E0F1D0002 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010501c6691b$4e05e340$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> <444EF38F.9050403@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:22:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:23:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F4A1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films >I feel that way about Van Gogh. > > Fran > And I haven't yet seen a Van Gogh painting that I DON'T like. Something about his work speaks to me. Some I like more than others, but in general his work is very, very appealing to me. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 06:26:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAQIxR029747 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:26:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QAQAGO006325; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:26:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAPkMJ083302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAPkp6029006; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QAPgR5028921 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320731D0005 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27973-08 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BB7081D0004 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012001c6691b$b19bf7a0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <444DAB59.1080707@lavoltapress.com><000801c66841$ca537d70$0200a8c0@bob3pc><3586f5070604250628rf0178edkd9e40f1c20014af5@mail.gmail.com> <1146022972.444eec3c0a760@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic film/live Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:25:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:26:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F4AC2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Titanic film/live > If you thought that awful Celine Dion and the skull-scraping > heart-going-on > song was bad, you'd better go hide under the blankets for a couple of > years. > > Someone is doing Titanic the Musical, rehearsals start mid-year. AAARGHH!! Oh, well, Greg works at a Classic Hits station now, so at least he won't have to play any of the music. And I doubt if they'll be going on the road to York, PA, so I'm probably pretty safe from it! Dianne > > Anyone got an ice maker? > > -C. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 08:07:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QC7dVW007510 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:07:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QC7Vqb009500; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:07:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QC7C9x097840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QC74mp095793; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q2pNJ2025370 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so1857663pyc for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:51:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZC4ui5JFmGKy2bryYPfJ2TZNPBlnqwaPQ7RHlsIdC7P8CAyT7L3KBCg71KrxRnf5t6vpijVieA3pwyjHPJcLwzJjkkX+kVSxZzhCQs5WyEFAo9bW5EsCeJCitqIaKyIboj0I1V7InnAeiUMXB4Axwk6tGITQ1It+f18M6u9ndPo= Received: by 10.35.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr422495pyk; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.15.9 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190604251951m17c83e6aub76c600ce61d03a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:51:22 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3Q2pNJ2025370 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:07:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F6283.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:07:10 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <00e401c668ac$3c92e000$9400a8c0@compaqub> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The only two things I've found to worry about with leather are: > A) The thickness of the leather, & making sure that your sewing machine can > handle it--for the browncoat, I used suede that was nearly 1/8 thick, and > though my machine actually was capable of handling 5 layers of it, it caused > all sorts of problems. (But it was the only suede I could find in the right > color, darn it!) You just can't finish thick suede as nicely as you can > finish garment-weight (~1.5oz-3oz) suede, and you'll find yourself calling > the ruttin' coat a piece of gos se often, dong le mah? So I'm looking for something specifically designated garment weight? That's one of my big concerns - how do I choose a leather or suede, and how do I make sure I get enough of it? I imagine it's sold by hide and not yardage, correct? > > B) Getting the seam right the first time. Any hole you make in the leather > won't close back up again the way fabric would, so ty to aviod ripping out > and re-sewing seams--it'll be obvious, and it will weaken the leather. I have enough experience with PVC to know about the hole punch thing, but not about the thread (below). Thanks for the tip (and you too Chiana!) Also thanks for the browncoats.com links - it's good to see that there's enough of a community out there for there to be some legwork already done :) > > Also, though a lot of people seem to like to use upholstery thread with > leather, I didn't like the result at all; I used glazed cotton hand quilting > thread, and it worked very well. > > -E House Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 08:11:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCB48M007621 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:11:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QCAtDe012270; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:10:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCAbLD098222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCAbaX098196; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:10:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4SLUh093525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.31] (pool180-31.patriot.net [209.249.180.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3Q4S8Md023706 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:28:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:27:01 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:10:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F6350.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I'll have to check. The guy who invited me is from a unit of >Highlanders, but I was thinking I'd just stick to my civilian >clothes. Unfortunately, those have about everything I need -- >except a coat. > >OTOH, if it's strictly military thing, I'll probably just stick to >modern stuff. Perhaps you would be a campfollower of some sort. (Yes, men were campfollowers, too.) A drover or supplier of some sort? Carry a notebook and grumble about how long it takes to get paid whenever someone is looking... >Are there any good patterns readily available? I always used to draft things from Cut of Men's Clothes. I hear the JP Ryan patterns are good. Steer clear of Pegee of Williamsburg. The Revlist would be a good place to ask - it's a Yahoo group called Revlist. A simpler, unfitted garment is a smock, a working man's garment worn over a shirt, waistcoat & breeches. If it's really hot no one would notice if you left off the waistcoat, but you didn't hear that from me. ;-> You can make it from fustian (linen/cotton) or linen canvas. A sleeved waistcoat is a bit longer than waist length, not as long and without the curves and tailoring of a fashionable coat. Some guys run around in shirts & waistcoats without a sleeved garment on top. But that's 18th century naked. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 08:11:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCBKPm007635 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:11:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QCBCHX012818; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:11:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QC9Gis098141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QC9FWB097277; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q4BlYs082246 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYB008W5ABF0H70@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:11:38 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Titanic film/live In-reply-to: <1146022972.444eec3c0a760@webmail.netspace.net.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:11:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444F6360.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought thay had done that already. Sigh. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Titanic film/live If you thought that awful Celine Dion and the skull-scraping heart-going-on song was bad, you'd better go hide under the blankets for a couple of years. Someone is doing Titanic the Musical, rehearsals start mid-year. Anyone got an ice maker? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 08:12:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCCr4F007691 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:12:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QCCiwb018987; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:12:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCCRQX098371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCCQQZ099516; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3Q6mvhY084886 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FYdpY-0004uu-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:48:56 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060426005507.02bd9e38@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:02:34 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200604251804.k3PI3FaJ070859@net.indra.com> References: <200604251804.k3PI3FaJ070859@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Things that make you cringe.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:12:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F63BC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The favorite one that happened to me was during Godzilla 2000 (yeah, bad movie, but....) - Godzilla is rampaging thru New York or someplace like that, and they've called out the military to try and stop him. There's a helicopter chasing him thru the skyscrapers, and the pilot says something like, "Firing Sidewinders now....". I said (half out loud) "That's not gonna work!" at the same time things got very quiet on screen.....Of course it didn't work - it homed on a heat source in one of the buildings, rather than ostensibly cold-blooded Godzilla..... That movie also has a really good line - some poor grunt in the line gets his first look at Godzilla and you hear "I'm gonna need a bigger gun (whimper)!" Not costume, but good for a chuckle or two... Sandy At 01:04 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:59 -0700 (PDT) >From: Kahlara >Subject: [h-cost] Re: movies-things that make you cringe > >Or watching a modern military action film with a vet. "That is the >completely wrong insignia..." etc. Apparently "A Few Good Men" was >pretty accurate with its uniforms. > >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:39 -0300 >From: "kelly grant" >Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! > > > but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell at the > screen in any movie >historical or modern "PICK UP THE > AMMO/WEAPON", as the good guy runs around >ect... > >Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen..."Close the damn door!" >When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to door open, to be closed >miraculously by someone else! "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 08:15:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCFuIo007771 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:15:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QCFmv4015890; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:15:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCF6K2098652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCF6BN001542; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QAAmQi019422 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77834 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2006 10:10:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NZDX6sGYG2BUHzuZyW7cNC0tYpetC+x0GxWImgY3M1LUTcruNELoW0OSApCPruJuq5eo7z06inyeALrin6JXVVJrsRROywpCqu0rSRI3bWl2GVbey6+wBjLpzYy5m0DheBmDQTVwJXa9fR2ydclY8qOWA0lyz4+FGTteTaAOkwQ= ; Message-ID: <20060426101043.77832.qmail@web26509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:10:43 BST Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:10:43 +0100 (BST) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <3f8.4c77f3.317fdb69@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:15:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F6474.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > I never could figure out why everyone was so crazy > about Sound of Music, > especially costume historians! So I'm not the only > one. Considering the amount of comments in the journal, you are most certainly not alone. Personally I just love them escaping _towards_ Germany... /Lena ___________________________________________________________ Switch an email account to Yahoo! 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Status: RO Suzi, are you looking for costume jewelry reproductions, or precious metal (gold or sterling) & genuine gemstone reproductions? Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery There is someone on this list who makes reproduction Tudor jewellery - I thought I had it book marked but I can't find it. Can anyone help please? Suzi (who seems to have mislaid a lot of things this week!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO a favorite moment watching one of these on late nightfilms: the ad sequence included Hartz Mountain flea powder. Of course, the ad breaks would air just when the poor monster was in one of his dances! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:02 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Things that make you cringe.... > The favorite one that happened to me was during Godzilla 2000 (yeah, > bad movie, but....) - Godzilla is rampaging thru New York or > someplace like that, and they've called out the military to try and > stop him. There's a helicopter chasing him thru the skyscrapers, and > the pilot says something like, "Firing Sidewinders now....". I said > (half out loud) "That's not gonna work!" at the same time things got > very quiet on screen.....Of course it didn't work - it homed on a > heat source in one of the buildings, rather than ostensibly > cold-blooded Godzilla..... > > That movie also has a really good line - some poor grunt in the line > gets his first look at Godzilla and you hear "I'm gonna need a bigger > gun (whimper)!" > > Not costume, but good for a chuckle or two... > > Sandy > > At 01:04 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: > >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:49:59 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Kahlara > >Subject: [h-cost] Re: movies-things that make you cringe > > > >Or watching a modern military action film with a vet. "That is the > >completely wrong insignia..." etc. Apparently "A Few Good Men" was > >pretty accurate with its uniforms. > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 08:07:39 -0300 > >From: "kelly grant" > >Subject: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! > > > > > but because of my DH the entire family is known to yell at the > > screen in any movie >historical or modern "PICK UP THE > > AMMO/WEAPON", as the good guy runs around >ect... > > > >Our favourite thing to make us yell at the screen..."Close the damn door!" > >When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to door open, to be closed > >miraculously by someone else! > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 08:58:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCwxYk009607 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:58:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QCwpu4013318; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:58:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCwXrm002865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCwSYF029131; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QCwOkT029070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:58:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.31] (pool180-142.patriot.net [209.249.180.142]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3QCwCxI029118 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:58:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> References: <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:38:36 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18thC Bodice, was: A little help please???? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:58:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F6E8B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I second Ann's suggestion of the 18cWoman list! It's Yahoo Group. There are women's waistcoats, either quilted for warmth and worn over stays (and under a gown), or styled like a man's waistcoat and worn with a riding habit. Jumps are a bit of a mystery, defined as "lightly boned stays". Perhaps they could have been corded for structure, but someone recently posted a cite for a "bodice" (18thC term) that is corded, and different from stays or jumps. If your friend knows about jumps, and that the bodice is not jumps, maybe she knows more about it! I'm curious to know how she will wear it, what nationality, social class, etc she's portraying. There are different things worn in France, for instance, and Fleur de Lyse has patterns for Habitante dress. But most bodices out there in reenactor land are not good and worn incorrectly. So there's a lot more to it than finding a pattern. That being said, you may be able to draft what she wants. The 18thC women's shape is generally cone-shaped, no darts, bust fullness is raised a bit, and the neckline is low. Shoulder and side seams are placed toward the back, not centered on the body as we do with modern clothes. -Carol >Been lurking for a couple of weeks now, and heard about the Tudor >Tailor book, got it and love it..big thanks to all who spoke of it >before it came out. >Question is, I am Scadian, but have a friend who asked me for a >pattern for a Rev war era fitted bodice. She said that they were >incorrectly called Jumps for awhile. Anyone know what it is I need? >Any patterns online anywhere? I can enlarge a print-out, and >probably fit it without toooo much problem, but I would not say that >I am any more than an 'adequate'seamstress. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 09:01:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD1mW4009715 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:01:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QD1dQ7015438; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:01:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD1PJD003287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD1O75031068; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD1Eoa031013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.31] (pool180-144.patriot.net [209.249.180.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k3QD1742027721 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:01:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010501c6691b$4e05e340$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> <444EF38F.9050403@lavoltapress.com> <010501c6691b$4e05e340$154d4e40@Stuckis> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:00:24 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Paintings Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F6F33.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of historical paintings, what are your favorites for costume inspiration? I'm sure we've all "copied" a portrait to make something. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 09:09:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD9iKJ009979 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:09:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QD9and021039; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:09:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD958M004380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:09:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QD931O036199; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QD8w6A036115 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 91094 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 13:08:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.90 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 13:08:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426140513.01e229c8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:08:52 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Paintings for Inspiration In-Reply-To: References: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> <444EF38F.9050403@lavoltapress.com> <010501c6691b$4e05e340$154d4e40@Stuckis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:09:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F7110.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 14:00 26/04/2006, you wrote: > Speaking of historical paintings, what are your favorites for > costume inspiration? I'm sure we've all "copied" a portrait to make something. > > -Carol Francois Clouet, and Jean Clouet, mostly for head and neck details. Ingres for "Regency" - his detailed drawings are bliss to look at even if not using for copying. Van Dyck for 17th century nobility, and Hollar for every day Loads more but having a "blonde" moment and can't think! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 09:18:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDIwED010387 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:18:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QDIoMq028066; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:18:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDI2ku005379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDI1Jp042585; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDHvF8042480 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3QDHom12839.; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:17:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:17:50 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:17:31 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Paintings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3QDHvF8042480 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:18:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F733A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My 17th century costumes are mainly inspired by Hollar's engravings of women http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/HOLLAR.HTM Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> aquazoo@patriot.net 26/04/2006 14:00 >>> Speaking of historical paintings, what are your favorites for costume inspiration? I'm sure we've all "copied" a portrait to make something. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 09:20:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDKKqT010448 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:20:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QDKCgo001768; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:20:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDJoQN005597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDJnbo043974; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QDJkh4043865 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: (qmail 71959 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 13:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAX.sbcglobal.net) (maggie.gene@sbcglobal.net@65.125.64.176 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 13:19:40 -0000 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060426081212.0194c558@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:19:37 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: RE: [h-cost]OT Canonizing work just because its old In-Reply-To: <003901c66905$8a773920$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <444E9705.6040003@lavoltapress.com> <003901c66905$8a773920$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:20:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444F738C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:46 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote: >Absolutely. But some stuff gets canonized that probably never was very >good, either because it's early, or because it's "art." And other stuff >that's perfectly good, at least as entertainment, gets "lost," at least >for a long time, because it goes out of style, or becauze it's by a >minority author, or because it's an early work that was destroyed. Bach was lost for nearly a century before the Romantics (that's the musical term) picked him up and made him popular again. I find it interesting what falls by the wayside. I wish it were easier, here in the states, to find some of Jane Austin's contemporaries' books. I wish we knew weather the Elizabethan embroidery on certain night caps was the work of a professional or an amateur. I wish that the church had been willing to save secular music instead of just religious stuff from the 12th and 13th centuries-- then we'd have more of it. I wonder who was "popular" and who was considered "bad" and always try to remember that the info we have is so spotty and scarce that a true picture can never be drawn. Sad, really Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 09:51:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDpqbn012296 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:51:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QDph8j024518; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDpERT009331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDp7NI068906; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QDoxnF068760 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYC00IDX14SQRP0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:50:50 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Paintings In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:51:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F7AEF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bronzino, without a doubt. I am an Eleonora of Toledo fan. I have also done the Darnley portrait and the Waldted portraits of Elizabeth I. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Paintings My 17th century costumes are mainly inspired by Hollar's engravings of women http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/HOLLAR.HTM Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> aquazoo@patriot.net 26/04/2006 14:00 >>> Speaking of historical paintings, what are your favorites for costume inspiration? I'm sure we've all "copied" a portrait to make something. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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Status: RO Message: 4 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:05:22 -0500 From: "Marc Carlson" Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed From: aquazoo@patriot.net >Generally Rev War events, at least on the East coast, have >participants organized in military units. Is it a battle event? If >so, then it's probably mostly reenactment units. The organization is >important for safety and "walk on" participants are discouraged. I'll have to check. The guy who invited me is from a unit of Highlanders, but I was thinking I'd just stick to my civilian clothes. Unfortunately, those have about everything I need -- except a coat. OTOH, if it's strictly military thing, I'll probably just stick to modern stuff. >... As far as a coat, again this depends on what you are doing at the >event. Military, militia, civilian? You could get by with a fairly >uncomplicated sleeved waistcoat. Are there any good patterns readily available? From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com >no idea on the former question, but on the latter (coat), have you tried >jas townsend's?? (don't have url to hand, sorry, but whenever I need them >I google or yahoo them....) I'll have to check them. Thanks. Marc Which Rev war event are you going to? There are alot of variatins that can be used. Alot depends on who you are going with, and where it is. The Northeast tends to be more (straightlaced?) in regards to clothing , the Highlanders especially in the south can be a bit looser in alot of things. You can always use the alternative of smallclothes, shoes and hat and a work smock or shirt over the top very natural, very authentic, pretty fast to put together. and it makes you a local farmer hanging out with the troops and selling his produce or a camp follower/drover who drives the baggage wagons you get the drift of this thought. 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Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 10:07:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE7mTG013089 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:07:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QE7eum008131; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:07:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE7DbY011467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE757l083188; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE6SFN082713 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2a0.9318412 (15899) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID92-3e1b444f7e5794; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:06:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <035218066e6297abad7992de59fe2448@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questions, (both on topic and not) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:06:15 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:07:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F7EAC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3QE7mTG013089 Status: RO Also, try Smoke and Fire for patterns. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:05 AM, Marc Carlson wrote: > From: aquazoo@patriot.net > >> Generally Rev War events, at least on the East coast, have >> participants organized in military units. Is it a battle event? If >> so, then it's probably mostly reenactment units. The organization is >> important for safety and "walk on" participants are discouraged. > > I'll have to check. The guy who invited me is from a unit of > Highlanders, but I was thinking I'd just stick to my civilian clothes. > Unfortunately, those have about everything I need -- except a coat. > > OTOH, if it's strictly military thing, I'll probably just stick to > modern stuff. > >> ... As far as a coat, again this depends on what you are doing at the >> event. Military, militia, civilian? You could get by with a fairly >> uncomplicated sleeved waistcoat. > > Are there any good patterns readily available? > > From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com >> no idea on the former question, but on the latter (coat), have you >> tried jas townsend's?? (don't have url to hand, sorry, but whenever >> I need them I google or yahoo them....) > > I'll have to check them. Thanks. > > Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 10:10:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEAWLL013203 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:10:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QEANat011066; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:10:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE9o1G011853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE9lAE085750; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QE9i19085623 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3e9.85e9fb (16109) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed444f7f1a3aa; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:09:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <3f2.5e443d.318050af@aol.com> References: <3f2.5e443d.318050af@aol.com> Message-Id: <94e18b1e38e90c9a1409b2b80a9bde6e@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic film/live Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:09:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F7F4F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3QEAWLL013203 Status: RO One of my pet peeves is that films, books, plays use the same name when they don't resemble the original. Call it "Titanic-the Musical" and my expectations will be different. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:27 AM, Chindora@aol.com wrote: > Hey, I have seen the Titanic Musical, and it is wonderful. I saw both > the > movie and the musical, and believe me the musical is worth watching, > assuming > it is performed by a competent ensemble. The only thing it has in > common > with the movie is the name of the ship and a few characters. > Regrettable that > it gets lumped in with the movie, but there it is. I went to see the > play in > spite of the movie, and am glad I did. > > :) > ~Kimberley > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 10:11:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEBeut013255 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:11:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QEBWkI020633; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:11:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEB9tZ012027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEB5b5086826; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEAtvx086589 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYC00GB521GEOP0@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:10:26 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444F7F94.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try Drackenstein Treasures http://www.dragonsjewels.com/ . Beautiful stuff. Reasonable, does custom work. or Darkridge Jewels http://www.darkridgejewels.com/. Ditto, ditto My husband and I have been a longtime customer of both. My husband's coronet came fron Drackenstein, and if you check the Darkridge page, my "pendant ship" is there, as is the baroque pearl dragon... She does really cool stuff! Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of klh Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Suzi, are you looking for costume jewelry reproductions, or precious metal (gold or sterling) & genuine gemstone reproductions? Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery There is someone on this list who makes reproduction Tudor jewellery - I thought I had it book marked but I can't find it. Can anyone help please? Suzi (who seems to have mislaid a lot of things this week!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 10:27:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QERq1N014256 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:27:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QERiPK027829; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:27:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QERAma014313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QER6wS001212; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QER0Cl001006 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 19842 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 14:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.90 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 14:26:54 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:26:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:27:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F8360.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:10 26/04/2006, you wrote: >Try Drackenstein Treasures http://www.dragonsjewels.com/ . Beautiful stuff. >Reasonable, does custom work. >or Darkridge Jewels http://www.darkridgejewels.com/. Ditto, ditto > >My husband and I have been a longtime customer of both. My husband's coronet >came fron Drackenstein, and if you check the Darkridge page, my "pendant >ship" is there, as is the baroque pearl dragon... She does really cool >stuff! > >Monica Spence Monica I agree those are beautiful. Thanks for the links. I might save up for one for me! >Suzi, are you looking for costume jewelry reproductions, or precious metal >(gold or sterling) & genuine gemstone reproductions? > >Talia Talia Didn't get the original mail. I am basically looking for a "gold" (look) chain for my husband to wear to a one-off SCA event when we are in the States. I have the mandatory pearls, and some rings, but nothing for him. As his costume -f it ever gets made - is from my stash, I can afford a repro chain, possibly, but not the real thing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 10:28:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QESJER014276 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:28:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QESB22027300; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:28:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QERaLf014484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QERXMP001719; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:27:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QERL0f001594 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m106.in-tch.com [216.166.191.106]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3QEHrA13600 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:17:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005a01c6693e$91ef3660$6abfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3d8.9b2466.31803cf4@aol.com> <444EF38F.9050403@lavoltapress.com><010501c6691b$4e05e340$154d4e40@Stuckis> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:34:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Favorite Paintings for Costuming X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444F837B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I mostly do pre-17th century stuff, so I tend to think of earlier portraitists as costuming inspirations (although I'd love an excuse to dabble in the 18th century! ;o). My modestly-caffeinated brain insists, this fine a.m., that some of my favorite "garb artists" are (in no particular order): Hans Holbein (father or son) Bronzino Sofonisba Anguissola There are others, but I'll need to wake up some more before I can recall them ;o) --Sue in Montana, where it's finally Spring, and the trees are working on making leaves and my tulips are blooming..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Paintings > > Speaking of historical paintings, what are your favorites for > costume inspiration? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3QEWbgP014465 Status: RO Sorry- I don't know the name. It is huge- 8 feet by 10 feet, maybe ? and shows a feast with many people at the table. There are hounds under the table. The tablecloth is a tapestry type with many details. The background shows people on balconies and other details beyond the feast scene. We enjoyed the many details. Is this painting hung on the opposite wall of the Mona Lisa for contrast, do you think? It had size, color, action. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 26, 2006, at 5:49 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/25/2006 11:45:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pasovasz@aol.com writes: > > My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more > fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with > all it's details. > > > Don't leave us hanging--what painting was that? > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 10:43:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEh1Kk014879 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:43:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QEgrj6010478; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEfwgg017438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEfsFM014597; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QEfn6r014419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k3QEfhg99126 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:41:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 26 Apr 2006 09:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:41:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor jewellrey X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F86ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3QEq6rm015285 Status: RO Do a google search for leather . Look for garment weight in the description. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 25, 2006, at 10:51 PM, A. Thurman wrote: >> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:07:10 -0500 >> From: "E House" >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Message-ID: <00e401c668ac$3c92e000$9400a8c0@compaqub> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> The only two things I've found to worry about with leather are: >> A) The thickness of the leather, & making sure that your sewing >> machine can >> handle it--for the browncoat, I used suede that was nearly 1/8 thick, >> and >> though my machine actually was capable of handling 5 layers of it, it >> caused >> all sorts of problems. (But it was the only suede I could find in >> the right >> color, darn it!) You just can't finish thick suede as nicely as you >> can >> finish garment-weight (~1.5oz-3oz) suede, and you'll find yourself >> calling >> the ruttin' coat a piece of gos se often, dong le mah? > > So I'm looking for something specifically designated garment weight? > That's one of my big concerns - how do I choose a leather or suede, > and how do I make sure I get enough of it? I imagine it's sold by hide > and not yardage, correct? >> >> B) Getting the seam right the first time. Any hole you make in the >> leather >> won't close back up again the way fabric would, so ty to aviod >> ripping out >> and re-sewing seams--it'll be obvious, and it will weaken the leather. > > I have enough experience with PVC to know about the hole punch thing, > but not about the thread (below). Thanks for the tip (and you too > Chiana!) > > Also thanks for the browncoats.com links - it's good to see that > there's enough of a community out there for there to be some legwork > already done :) >> >> Also, though a lot of people seem to like to use upholstery thread >> with >> leather, I didn't like the result at all; I used glazed cotton hand >> quilting >> thread, and it worked very well. >> >> -E House > > Allison T. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:04:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF4Ekn016046 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:04:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QF46Ta010071; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:04:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF3c4J020703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF3Qx5034814; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF3FwI034493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYlXn-0000Oz-E3; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:03:07 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:03:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20060426110307.sjdxbeimg48s0s4w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:03:07 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa References: <3d9.a3c9d4.31809c0c@aol.com> <9b5ca49ce81d7e9d5ad7b5131698f4c0@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <9b5ca49ce81d7e9d5ad7b5131698f4c0@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:04:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F8BE6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > Sorry- I don't know the name. > > It is huge- 8 feet by 10 feet, maybe ? and shows a feast with many > people at the table. There are hounds under the table. The > tablecloth is a tapestry type with many details. The background shows > people on balconies and other details beyond the feast scene. We > enjoyed the many details. Is this painting hung on the opposite wall > of the Mona Lisa for contrast, do you think? It had size, color, > action. > Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at Cana. http://www.wga.hu/art/v/veronese/religio1/cana.jpg At least according to the Louvre's web site, it's on the opposite wall ... Jerusha (painting junkie) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:08:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF8lhI016256 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:08:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QF8cd2015756; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:08:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF8EHB021442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF7x07039191; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QF7s1s039040 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2e8.5f1580e (30737) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2e8.5f1580e.3180e6be@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:07:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost]OT Canonizing work just because its old To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:08:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F8CF6.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 9:21:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, maggie.gene@justinanimator.com writes: Bach was lost for nearly a century before the Romantics (that's the musical term) picked him up and made him popular again. ****************** Not really. The Well Tempered Clavier and the partitas and clavier suites were essential to everyone learning to play the piano [or harpsichord]. But the bulk of his work, the cantatas, were indeed thought old fashioned....even during his lifetime. And of course it must be remembered that Bach never traveled much or published a lot. Still, he wasn't "lost". Mendelssohn loved the stuff and infused his music with it which brought it much more attention than before. But even Mozart transcribed Bach and he and Beethoven [and everybody else at the time] looked to Bach for how to do a fugue. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:13:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFDjpr016448 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:13:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFDWJo021157; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:13:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFChjr021998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFCZuR042960; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFC8br042567 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.38d.1f8540f (30737) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:11:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <38d.1f8540f.3180e7a7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:11:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:13:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F8E1C.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at Cana. *************************** Well, it's certainly more populated than the Mona Lisa. If only something were blowing up! Then it'd really be KEWL! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:18:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFIDNm016690 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:18:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFI57J026169; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:18:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFGDHQ022403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFG751046402; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QFFuIU046187 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 1340 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 15:15:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.90 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 15:15:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426161452.01e1d960@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:15:52 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Tudor jewellrey In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F8F2D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:41 26/04/2006, you wrote: >Do you mean the Tudor Shoppe? website here; > >http://tudorshoppe.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=SFNT&Store_Code=TTS Ooooh, another shop full of pretties. No I don't think it was that one, but thanks anyway. This time I'm going to collect them all together and b-o-o-k-m-a-r-k- them all. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:24:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFOJns016939 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:24:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFOAml032436; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFNp7K023506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFNBQt053418; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFMcVg052788 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f4.6a47f1 (39331) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3f4.6a47f1.3180e907@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:17:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:24:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F909A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: http://www.wga.hu/art/v/veronese/religio1/cana.jpg Now THAT'S a wedding! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:32:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFVx2W017371 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:31:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFVpnj007681; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFUZnX024575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFUDID060705; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFTkqZ059835 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2a1.934462f (15900) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c444f90911a7; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:24:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060426110307.sjdxbeimg48s0s4w@www.goldsword.com> References: <3d9.a3c9d4.31809c0c@aol.com> <9b5ca49ce81d7e9d5ad7b5131698f4c0@aol.com> <20060426110307.sjdxbeimg48s0s4w@www.goldsword.com> Message-Id: <58fbcb723982d6cccb6285bca6d1395b@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:24:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:31:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F9267.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3QFVx2W017371 Status: RO THANKS! Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't it?! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > >> Sorry- I don't know the name. >> >> It is huge- 8 feet by 10 feet, maybe ? and shows a feast with many >> people at the table. There are hounds under the table. The >> tablecloth is a tapestry type with many details. The background shows >> people on balconies and other details beyond the feast scene. We >> enjoyed the many details. Is this painting hung on the opposite wall >> of the Mona Lisa for contrast, do you think? It had size, color, >> action. >> > > Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at > Cana. > > http://www.wga.hu/art/v/veronese/religio1/cana.jpg > > At least according to the Louvre's web site, it's on the opposite wall > ... > > Jerusha (painting junkie) > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:43:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFhaa7018000 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:43:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFhR9K018390; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:43:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFgfgT026143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:42:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFg2cW071468; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFfZrU070911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYm8t-0006bQ-2D; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:41:27 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20060426114127.73c2xlz9f4owo04o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:41:27 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Wedding in Cana (was Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa References: <3d9.a3c9d4.31809c0c@aol.com> <9b5ca49ce81d7e9d5ad7b5131698f4c0@aol.com> <20060426110307.sjdxbeimg48s0s4w@www.goldsword.com> <58fbcb723982d6cccb6285bca6d1395b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <58fbcb723982d6cccb6285bca6d1395b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F9520.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > THANKS! > > Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't it?! > and if you go here http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/v/veronese/religio1/ there are about a half-dozen detail shots from the painting Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:46:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFkTxf018123 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:46:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFkLAd021026; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:46:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFjqwY026682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFjgnx075032; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFjF4o074442 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3QFiim00684.; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:44:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:44:44 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:44:33 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]OT Canonizing work just because its old Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3QFjF4o074442 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:46:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F95CD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I assume it's the revival by Mendelssohn that Genie was referring to. Before that, Bach's music may have been known to professional musicians but he wasn't thought of as a major composer by the average music-lover. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 26/04/2006 16:07 >>> In a message dated 4/26/2006 9:21:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, maggie.gene@justinanimator.com writes: Bach was lost for nearly a century before the Romantics (that's the musical term) picked him up and made him popular again. ****************** Not really. The Well Tempered Clavier and the partitas and clavier suites were essential to everyone learning to play the piano [or harpsichord]. But the bulk of his work, the cantatas, were indeed thought old fashioned....even during his lifetime. And of course it must be remembered that Bach never traveled much or published a lot. Still, he wasn't "lost". Mendelssohn loved the stuff and infused his music with it which brought it much more attention than before. But even Mozart transcribed Bach and he and Beethoven [and everybody else at the time] looked to Bach for how to do a fugue. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 11:57:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFvGHW018573 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:57:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QFv3RV031464; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:57:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFujxg028314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFuGmQ084446; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFtsdh084011 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2c1.8f0a2c3 (16087) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d49 (mblk-d49.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.233]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed7444f96d12b4; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:50:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:50:44 -0400 Message-Id: <8C837604FF518E9-E8C-3213@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <3f4.6a47f1.3180e907@aol.com> Received: from 70.43.19.134 by mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:50:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <3f4.6a47f1.3180e907@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.233 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Titanic Musical Clarification / Costume praise. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:57:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F984F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Titanic Musical was actually on stage before the movie came out. It won 5 Tonys and had an original Broadway run of about two years, which is not too shabby. I saw it performed by a high school group in 2000, and perhaps one of the reasons that it still resonates with me is that the stories portrayed in it are based on real characters and life situations. I found an article on the web that goes into greater detail here : http://tinyurl.com/euem2 The funny thing is when I saw the musical, it was not a professional traveling production. My daughter happened to be playing in the pit orchestra, so I went to see it. Princess Anne High School, Virginia Beach, Virginia, had top notch costumes that were nicely accessorized and about as close to authentic as you could ask for. And in spite of the fact that it was named Titanic, they sold out every performance and had nothing but rave reviews. I was very impressed with the production in general, and as a costumer I was happy that the costumes were obviously well thought out accurately implemented, which is more than I can say for the multi-million dollar movie. And there is something to be said for kids getting up on the stage and portraying adults and children not their own age, and having it come across as so believable. I believe that the attention to detail with the costumes helped the actors to get into character and make their portrayals more realistic. The fact that the costumes were so spot on also helped the audience to briefly suspend their knowledge of the people behind the clothes and allowed them to buy into the story as it unfolded. So, yeah, while costumes are not the only factor in a successful movie/play that is historically based, they definitely have an impact. It is good to know that sometimes you find a director and costume director who work together and get it right. :) ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 12:21:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGL129020017 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:21:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QGKqvF021703; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:20:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGJOUH031133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGJ2OE005339; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGIlYS004969 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.32a.349cdaa (3858) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:18:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <32a.349cdaa.3180f752@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:18:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost]OT Canonizing work just because its old To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F9DE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:50:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: Before that, Bach's music may have been known to professional musicians but he wasn't thought of as a major composer by the average music-lover. **************** Nope. Just about every educated person and/or aristocrat learned to play something. If it had a keyboard, these people learned some Bach. I assure Bach was not "LOST"...the word you used. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 12:22:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGMVWg020076 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:22:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QGMMXH012722; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGINep030956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFNpLr054123; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QFN71b053262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYlr4-0003KG-NO; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:23:02 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:23:02 -0400 Message-ID: <20060426112302.0jztxug50kcokkkc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:23:02 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa References: <38d.1f8540f.3180e7a7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <38d.1f8540f.3180e7a7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:22:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444F9E3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting AlbertCat@aol.com: > > In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: > > Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at > Cana. > > > > *************************** > > Well, it's certainly more populated than the Mona Lisa. If only something > were blowing up! Then it'd really be KEWL! ROTFLOL! I don't think that they were much into blowing things up in those days -- very few war paintings. If you're into Blood, Guts, and Gore (tm), you'll want to try the plethora of Martyrdom paintings, or the "Biblical Revenge" paintings -- aka Judith and the Head of Holofernes ... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 12:25:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGPimw020232 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:25:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QGPaCj026162; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGPDWo032008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGOXYZ019182; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QGNTkq017155 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) X-TZO-Forward: h-costume@indra.com Received: from 71.197.44.2 by omr.tzo.com id 2006042612232445351 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:23:24 GMT Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:20:14 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:23:26 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <002701c6694d$bf0a2830$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 In-Reply-To: <38d.1f8540f.3180e7a7@aol.com> thread-index: AcZpRQjsKcfk4K/dRaW+MaPW4bd6CQACJWuw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2006 16:20:14.0919 (UTC) FILETIME=[4CD6ED70:01C6694D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444F9F00.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, that cloud on the lower left is darker and thicker than the other clouds, maybe something is blowing up "off stage" ??? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:12 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:07:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Ya gotta love the Internet. I believe that it's Veronese's Wedding at Cana. *************************** Well, it's certainly more populated than the Mona Lisa. If only something were blowing up! Then it'd really be KEWL! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 12:42:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGg0Vj021206 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:42:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QGfqLH008210; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:41:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGeepE034307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGeUUd035391; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGeHMU035224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11962 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYn3l-0001kU-AR for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: <023f01c66950$15e3ab20$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3e6.76be70.31803d2c@aol.com><193701c668e0$5bdb4ea0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <1ca17d05ebdafd84f4eba570388883fe@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:40:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:41:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FA2D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak" > My Sister-in-law had seen her on previous visits and said she was more > fascinated with the large painting at the other end of the room with > all it's details. Any idea what that painting was? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 12:46:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGktRv021424 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:46:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QGkkG9012428; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:46:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGjuS1035115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGjoQm040855; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:45:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QGjVp0040640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:11977 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYn8x-0002Iy-Ea for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <026701c66950$d5dcdf00$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190604251951m17c83e6aub76c600ce61d03a9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:45:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:46:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FA3F6.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Thurman" > So I'm looking for something specifically designated garment weight? > That's one of my big concerns - how do I choose a leather or suede, > and how do I make sure I get enough of it? I imagine it's sold by hide > and not yardage, correct? Yeah, garment-weight, or perhaps jacket-weight. The original coat was made of deerskin (suede side out, leather side in, self-faced), and deerskin just doesn't really come in too thick a weight, so you might want to go that route. I remember having a good reason for not using deerskin with mine, I just can't remember what it IS... By the way, for those browncoats who want fasteners for their repro of the coat, Talia from this list will be making some. If you're interested, her email is talia@kc.rr.com Unfortunately, the way the things are made makes a volume discount unlikely. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 13:09:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QH9qsp022771 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:09:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QH9hF7030508; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QH7kEX039476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QH75IJ086629; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3QH5Cn9084316 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:05:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 12852 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 17:04:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.63.174 with plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 17:04:53 -0000 Message-ID: <444FA838.4050906@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:04:56 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2nd Request Please remove me from the h-costume@mail.indra.com list References: <20060425183131.17679.qmail@web32901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060425150801.7ufxfb63kgw4c0c0@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060425150801.7ufxfb63kgw4c0c0@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FA957.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting S Kelley : > >> Please remove me from your list. 2nd request. >> >> > > I believe that you have to go to the web site that's at the bottom of > every email and remove yourself. I don't know if this group has a > human who can do things like that or not. The first of every month each subscriber gets a password reminder email. You will need that password to log in to unsubscribe. liz young (not the administrator of this list) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 13:25:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QHOvgk023556 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:25:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QHOmVA010301; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:24:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QHNE6M041707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QHN7tb004335; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QHN3PP004178 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20060426172257m1400rsnr2e>; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:22:57 +0000 Message-ID: <444FAC70.2080303@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:22:56 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! 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Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: >This is why I prefer video/DVD - nobody cares when I >yell at the screen at home. It took several years, >but I finally quit taking costume notes at live >theater. I still notice - I just don't write it down >anymore. > >--- kelly grant wrote: > > > >>>but because of my DH the entire family is known to >>> >>> >>yell >at >> >> >>>the screen in any movie historical or modern "PICK >>> >>> >>UP >THE AMMO/WEAPON", >> >> >>>as >>>the good guy runs around ect... >>> >>> >>Our favourite thing to make us yell at the >>screen..."Close the damn door!" >>When the actor walks intoa building and leaves to >>door open, to be closed >>miraculously by someone else! >> >> > > > My favorite is in The Patriot, where, during a duel, both of the leads (oh no, it is Mel again, isn't it?) proceed to throw away a very crucial part of their pistol. And then they throw it away again. Without picking it up. I was so confused! Ack. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 14:59:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QIx5Dp031466 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:59:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QIwvxq013991; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:59:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QIvK8T056168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QIv8vH091957; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QIv1oZ091753 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:57:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9217B3AFA52 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200604261807.k3QI7aWM045564@net.indra.com> References: <200604261807.k3QI7aWM045564@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:56:29 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:59:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FC2F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:07 PM -0600 4/26/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > >> I got mine today! Looks good! Thanks, Kathy > >And, hurrah, mine just arrived! > >--Robin And if you pre-ordered from Amazon and haven't been charged for it yet--rattle their tree. You may be over looked otherwise...mine wouldn't have shipped without a nudge... Ta Carol--it should be here tomorrow! Yeah! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 15:01:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QJ1lmb031628 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:01:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QJ1d7R016491; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:01:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QJ16CJ056704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QJ15il095654; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QIvCeM091923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:57:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3QIv4fX028815 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <12514.65.117.156.5.1146077824.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190604251951m17c83e6aub76c600ce61d03a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7d21ac190604251951m17c83e6aub76c600ce61d03a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:57:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: working with leather, Firefly browncoat From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:01:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FC393.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would recommend hidehouse.com. They are the originators of Napa Leather. They have it all and it is here in the states. They are out of California. This means that there are no extra charges to pay for if you bring it in from overseas. Leather from Canada is really good if you can get it but the last person that tried to get some had to pay hefty fees to get it out of customs. Not sure why. The lightest weight stuff out there is italian, neutofino. You will have no luck getting it imported here as it is banned last I checked. Most leather are sold by the hide measured by square foot. Sometimes you can purchase half or a quarter hide but you will know up front if you can, they normall tell you or it is in the description. Hidehouse like the other leather places also have deep discounts if you have a tax id number. :) Now if your in New York, wow! Go to the garment district. You will be able to buy exactly what you want there and at a bargin. Some of those folks will even let you haggle for the leather. :) If you search the archives of this list you will find names and places in New York of those leather folks. :) Chiara On Tue, April 25, 2006 9:51 pm, A. Thurman said: > > So I'm looking for something specifically designated garment weight? > That's one of my big concerns - how do I choose a leather or suede, > and how do I make sure I get enough of it? I imagine it's sold by > hide > and not yardage, correct? >> >> B) Getting the seam right the first time. Any hole you make in >> the leather >> won't close back up again the way fabric would, so ty to aviod >> ripping out >> and re-sewing seams--it'll be obvious, and it will weaken the >> leather. > > I have enough experience with PVC to know about the hole punch > thing, > but not about the thread (below). Thanks for the tip (and you too > Chiara!) > > Also thanks for the browncoats.com links - it's good to see that > there's enough of a community out there for there to be some legwork > already done :) > > Allison T. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 16:02:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QK2TeX002471 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:02:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QK2L8Z011511; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:02:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QK1ou0065573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QK10kV032201; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QK0HCV031163 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3d6.b7929e (57341) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3d6.b7929e.31812b41@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:00:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 1:27:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mcschnoor@comcast.net writes: My favorite is in The Patriot, where, during a duel, both of the leads (oh no, it is Mel again, isn't it?) proceed to throw away a very crucial part of their pistol. And then they throw it away again. Without picking it up. I was so confused! Ack. ******************* In the remake of "Cape Fear" [the original is better] the villain and hero fight hand to hand in the pouring rain. If I remember correctly they even go overboard into the river at some point. Then, having vanquished the foe, the hero pulls cigarettes out of his pocket and lights up. Huh? Another great thing about "Cape Fear" is they were gonna film it here, in Wilmington, but alas decided to go to Florida to film because it didn't look right here. Wilmington is on....you guessed it...the Cape Fear River. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 16:21:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKLohH003370 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:21:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QKLf0q027425; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:21:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKL2Iu068411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKKw0l052501; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKKmPn052400 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10121 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:20:47 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... 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Status: RO Umm, how do you nudge Amazon.com? I just cancelled my pre-order with Amazon.uk to save on shipping fees and preordered from Amazon.com. Amazon.com gives a ship date of the end of June. Although the pub date is given as April 1st, neither Amazon has copies of book available, understandable to give small publishers a chance to sell direct first. But with oil prices upping prices of just about everything, I must save where I can to feed book, fabric, and doll habits! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 16:22:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKMkXU003421 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:22:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QKMcQO013179; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKMEDn068640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKM7KH053467; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QK6NfY037196 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3dd.b833d5 (57341) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3dd.b833d5.31812cb0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:06:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic Musical Clarification / Costume praise. 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/2006 3:00:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chindora@aol.com writes: So, yeah, while costumes are not the only factor in a successful movie/play that is historically based, they definitely have an impact. ***************** I'd say greater than scenery...though of course scene designers might disagree. A scene designer can suggest a wall or a tree or whatever. You cannot suggest a bodice or a pair of shoes. They have to be there. And you can do a play with no scenery... Moliere and Shakespeare did all the time. But actors must wear something. And if you're looking at the actor [which I hope you are], you're looking at the costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 16:28:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKSetp003677 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QKSWlh000616; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKRrk0069547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKRlbH058919; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QK65Pd036832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYqGl-0004rL-5Z; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:05:51 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:05:51 -0400 Message-ID: <20060426160551.5nobwehegw8kkw8g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:05:51 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > THANKS! > > Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't it?! I've done a lot with google image search (and museum searches, etc.) over the last few years. All I wanted was a Color Copy of Davenport ..... Susan (the Other One ...) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 16:47:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKl9sT004524 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:47:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QKl0Ka015875; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKkmSu072677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKkksm077733; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QKkfmp077590 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:46:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2c1.8fc9597 (16110) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee444fdc2236b; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:46:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060426114127.73c2xlz9f4owo04o@www.goldsword.com> References: <3d9.a3c9d4.31809c0c@aol.com> <9b5ca49ce81d7e9d5ad7b5131698f4c0@aol.com> <20060426110307.sjdxbeimg48s0s4w@www.goldsword.com> <58fbcb723982d6cccb6285bca6d1395b@aol.com> <20060426114127.73c2xlz9f4owo04o@www.goldsword.com> Message-Id: <4f843d0e5b2f83370839049963228819@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: Wedding in Cana (was Re: [h-cost] Historical Films & Mona Lisa Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:46:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:47:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FDC44.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You folks are a wealth of knowledge and best of all-you share! Thanks. Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > >> THANKS! >> >> Amazing what one can find, if you know where and how to look, isn't >> it?! >> > > and if you go here > > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/v/veronese/religio1/ > > there are about a half-dozen detail shots from the painting > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 17:10:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QL9wDq005575 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:10:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QL9ooX000693; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:09:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QL9SoS075679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QL8wUl099237; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:09:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QL8Pit098663 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:08:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XGeaMpMtNXa4LL+OE4WkFVS0rZtPLmFS+YZDCENeBZGLDP0uW2eAch527LFXz5Ls; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.228.96.174] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FYr7a-0008SA-Ot for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:00:27 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22006432621024640@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:00:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7955654356db91f39d317607ebd7e9435d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.228.96.174 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:09:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FE19E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is a James Bond film where a car on two wheels goes down an alley and comes out on the other two wheels! Editor you didn't pay attention!!!!!! Silvara > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/26/2006 1:04:37 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movies-things that make you cringe! > > > In a message dated 4/26/2006 1:27:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mcschnoor@comcast.net writes: > > My favorite is in The Patriot, where, during a duel, both of the leads > (oh no, it is Mel again, isn't it?) proceed to throw away a very crucial > part of their pistol. And then they throw it away again. Without picking > it up. I was so confused! Ack. > > > > ******************* > > In the remake of "Cape Fear" [the original is better] the villain and hero > fight hand to hand in the pouring rain. If I remember correctly they even go > overboard into the river at some point. Then, having vanquished the foe, the > hero pulls cigarettes out of his pocket and lights up. Huh? > > Another great thing about "Cape Fear" is they were gonna film it here, in > Wilmington, but alas decided to go to Florida to film because it didn't look > right here. Wilmington is on....you guessed it...the Cape Fear River. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 17:13:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLDFWo005693 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QLD7dY003162; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLCs0M076288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLCoqo003237; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QHtJsQ034073 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10305 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:29:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:29:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: <20060425210321.52773.qmail@web53213.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FE263.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > I got mine today! Looks good! Thanks, Kathy And, hurrah, mine just arrived! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 17:22:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLMjou006159 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:22:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QLMbx5010274; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLHNU0076958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLHLnC007474; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QJCTSV031637 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.329.34fa25d (4230) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:12:13 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <329.34fa25d.3181200f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:12:15 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Historical Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FE49D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My husband realised he had been going to costume films with me too long when his first thought at a lady taking off her bodice in a film was "Hey, she's not wearing a chemise." Katy That's great education! I knew I had hit a high point with my family when we went to see "Shakespeare in Love" and my husband said of one character, "That's a flatcap!" and my son said, "He's got a tall hat!" After all my years of making hats for faires, something has sunk in! Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com 719 52nd Street Des Moines, IA 50312 (515) 225-1830 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 17:24:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLOg2A006247 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:24:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QLOXkr003322; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:24:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLO3HZ078066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLO1HP013931; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QLNvwr013825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:12269 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYrUS-0001iT-Dv for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: <02ba01c66977$bba11a80$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:23:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:24:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 444FE511.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wait, what is MCT? There's so many new & interesting books out lately, I've lost track... can anyone give me (off-list or on) a quick list of them? Both those that are out and those that are coming soon? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 18:10:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMAa2O008168 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QMASmf016158; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMAAmb086052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:10:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMA3kn058852; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QM9u4A058670 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12521 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:44:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:44:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: <02ba01c66977$bba11a80$9400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FEFD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, E House wrote: > Wait, what is MCT? That would be "Medieval Clothing & Textiles," the journal I edit with Gale Owen-Crocker. Vol. 2 hit print this month. Contents are here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 18:41:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMf4FW009329 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:41:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QMetT2006439; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:40:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMeR88090936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMdisL087878; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:39:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QMdUn3087681 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247c1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.193]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 63DB8A5001D for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:39:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c66982$4a15de90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:39:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FF6F7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is not one of the books talked about here, but i do really look forwards to this book, wich will be released 29th of april: Dress in France in the Eighteenth Century By: Madeleine Delpierre Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 19:09:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QN9no2010335 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:09:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3QN9eEL022184; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QN7X2m093233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QN5sWY006950; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:07:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-d02.mx.aol.com (imr-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3QN4bBB006042 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mail.aol.com [172.20.107.66]) by imr-d02.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-3444ffc7e11c; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:04:30 -0400 Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ba.1841f2e (3858) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:48:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <3ba.1841f2e.318152d3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:48:51 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.20.107.66 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 378 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:09:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 444FFDB4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/26/06 3:33:30 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Re: [h-cost] Historical Paintings for Inspiration I'd second van dyck and hollar also like breugel, pierro della francesca, van eyck, and bosch all in the same couple of hundred years, but they all show costume in such nice detail. also like joshua reynolds, and some who are only known as "unknown" debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 20:49:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R0no7J017712 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:49:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R0nfXj010325; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:49:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R0me02007376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R0mZTg092779; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R0mUuu092722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-85-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.85]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3R0mSDq006537 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:48:29 +1000 Message-ID: <000b01c66994$4c34e8d0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200604260322.k3Q3Lsnd047751@net.indra.com><000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> <6.2.3.4.0.20060426093642.01da9fc8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:48:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:49:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44501525.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery > > There is someone on this list who makes reproduction Tudor jewellery - I > thought I had it book marked but I can't find it. Can anyone help please? > > Suzi (who seems to have mislaid a lot of things this week!) > I'm guessing you mean Sapphire and Sage http://www.sapphireandsage.com/index.html I've actually just ordered a brooch from her, it's a custom piece based on the portrait of Princess Elizabeth http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg and it's not in the catalogue on the website yet (and presumably won't be until it's finished) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 21:02:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R125f9019561 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:02:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R11v4m018732; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:02:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R11TCU008939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R11S4V003699; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav11.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R11OON003652 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:01:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:01:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.64.65 by BAY106-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:01:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.121.64.65] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3R125f9019561 Status: RO What did you order from them? I have The Tudor Tailor in stock right now, although I can't sell it at a discount like Amazon. Janet I just cancelled my pre-order with Amazon.uk to save on shipping fees and preordered from Amazon.com. Amazon.com gives a ship date of the end of June. Although the pub date is given as April 1st, neither Amazon has copies of book available, understandable to give small publishers a chance to sell direct first. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 21:07:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R17GiE020380 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R178pv022322; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R15g8K009346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R15gSv006919; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R15aEP006820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-85-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.85]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3R15XUX030119 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:05:35 +1000 Message-ID: <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:05:31 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450193C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Talia > > Didn't get the original mail. I am basically looking for a "gold" (look) > chain for my husband to wear to a one-off SCA event when we are in the > States. I have the mandatory pearls, and some rings, but nothing for him. > As his costume -f it ever gets made - is from my stash, I can afford a > repro chain, possibly, but not the real thing. > Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for Knights. Most people won't be that rude but you're likely to get somebody come up and point out the rules to you, and if you're wearing good quality clothes they may assume you're an established member and therefore should know better. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 21:42:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R1gU7I025594 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:42:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R1gMvI023372; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R1g2jN013449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R1fuOs033567; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R1foXW033502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.126.144] (209-148-126-144.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.144]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3R1fksB015650 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:41:47 -0700 Message-ID: <4450215C.1020603@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:41:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... 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Status: RO _The Tudor Tailor_ was published in England by B T Batsford, a large and well-known British publisher who has always published good books on fashion and textiles, among other subjects. Their URL is http://www.batsford.com. _The Tudor Tailor_ is up to Batford's usual high standards. Costume & Fashion Press (listed on the American Amazon.com as the publisher) acts largely as a distributor of foreign books in the US, though I think they may have some titles of their own. Authors often sell some books directly that were published by other publishers; usually they get a clause in their contract that allows them to do so. Amazon.com has no agenda of allowing or not allowing publishers to make sales outside Amazon. They enter data in their database when they happen to feel like it (which is not always when the publisher wants them to). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > Janet > I just cancelled my pre-order with > Amazon.uk to save on shipping fees and preordered from Amazon.com. > Amazon.com gives a ship date of the end of June. Although the pub date > is given as April 1st, neither Amazon has copies of book available, > understandable to give small publishers a chance to sell direct first. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 22:02:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R22YEV027327 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:02:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R22QV1007501; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:02:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2252Y015687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R222G4048508; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R21wpn048368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYvpO-0002Jg-Bh; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:01:58 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:01:58 -0400 Message-ID: <20060426220158.uw41k2ygw08sw8s8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:01:58 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... 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Status: RO Quoting "Abel, Cynthia" : > > > Umm, how do you nudge Amazon.com? I just cancelled my pre-order with > Amazon.uk to save on shipping fees and preordered from Amazon.com. > Amazon.com gives a ship date of the end of June. Although the pub date > is given as April 1st, neither Amazon has copies of book available, > understandable to give small publishers a chance to sell direct first. I had to nudge Amazon on the Tennessee Wildflower Book. I had ordered the book 2 or 3 weeks earlier (I don't remember now), but it was listed on their web site as shipping within 24 hours -- but on the "my order" page they were quoting me a ship date of 30 days out. So, I emailed them and asked what was up -- and told them that if I didn't have an answer within 24 hours that I was going to cancel my order with them and get it somewhere else. I had an answer in about 4 hours. It was shipping *that day* and they were waiving shipping charges. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 22:06:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R26c99027522 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:06:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R26U2J011568; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:06:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R24o2M016014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R24o9F050653; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R22nej048967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FYvqC-0002Pz-WD; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:02:49 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:02:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20060426220248.4qlmzaiu2oowc8os@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:02:48 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... 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Status: RO Quoting JAMES OGILVIE : > What did you order from them? I have The Tudor Tailor in stock right > now, although I can't sell it at a discount like Amazon. > > Janet Janet, do you by any chance have "Moda a Firenze" in stock? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 22:10:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2AmUm027700 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:10:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R2AeQS015538; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2AItQ016629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2ADP7054794; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (mxo2.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2A8j1054669 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:10:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49223804EA for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200604270105.k3R15iDk006934@net.indra.com> References: <200604270105.k3R15iDk006934@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:09:47 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Amazon... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:10:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44502820.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 7:05 PM -0600 4/26/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Umm, how do you nudge Amazon.com? I just cancelled my pre-order with >Amazon.uk to save on shipping fees and preordered from Amazon.com. >Amazon.com gives a ship date of the end of June. Although the pub date >is given as April 1st, neither Amazon has copies of book available, >understandable to give small publishers a chance to sell direct first. 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Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 26 22:28:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2Su0j028474 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:28:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R2SmMA031834; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:28:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2SLOn018509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2SKgx069038; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:28:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R2SHb2068985 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739F5131136 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:28:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-32.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-32.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.32]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:28:14 +1000 Message-ID: <1146104894.44502c3e4b2f7@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:28:14 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic film/live References: <3f2.5e443d.318050af@aol.com> <94e18b1e38e90c9a1409b2b80a9bde6e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <94e18b1e38e90c9a1409b2b80a9bde6e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:28:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44502C60.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Of course, this version is being directed by John Deitrich (sp.?) who is one of the more famous Curlys from Oklahoma revivals: "Ti-i-i-i-itanic Where the lower deck passengers all die, Where the Star Trek music plays real loud, When the ship sails out of the quay. Ti-i-i-i-itanic Where the ship goes sliding 'cross the sea, And the drunks who have the upstairs berth say, 'No more ice for me...'" I know. bad taste. But who can resist? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 00:07:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R47bd8001057 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:07:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R47T36010474; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:07:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R47AI7029022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R478x4041429; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R472od041349 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FYxmP-0004xd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:07:01 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060426160338.02a86e18@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:07:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In-Reply-To: <200604252045.k3PKj8qu091232@net.indra.com> References: <200604252045.k3PKj8qu091232@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:07:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44504381.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 03:45 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote: >There are a number of reasons for Magdalen's supposed link to prostitution >(which, interestingly, does not exist in the Eastern Orthodox Christian >church's view of Magdalen, who is highly revered). But yes, there are >similarities in the stories, and apparently some cross-fertilization, >which becomes evident in the art as well, when you look at paintings of >Magdalen in her wilderness-hermit phase. > >--Robin Just to make things clear, Mary Magdalene is equally revered in the West. She is considered one of the greatest of the saints. While there is debate whether she was the prostitute/adulteress who was saved from stoning by Jesus (and most theologians and historians believe she was not) such an identification doesn't imply that she is tainted somehow. It would simply point out the magnitude of her conversion and salvation. Pierre "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 00:20:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4KgJP001684 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:20:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R4KYj9019625; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:20:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4JP1E030361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4JOWE050311; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4JM0o050252 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15298 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:53:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:53:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Historical Films In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060426160338.02a86e18@pop.radiks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:20:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44504692.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wrote: > >There are a number of reasons for Magdalen's supposed link to prostitution > >(which, interestingly, does not exist in the Eastern Orthodox Christian > >church's view of Magdalen, who is highly revered). But yes, there are > >similarities in the stories, and apparently some cross-fertilization, > >which becomes evident in the art as well, when you look at paintings of > >Magdalen in her wilderness-hermit phase. Pierre added: > Just to make things clear, Mary Magdalene is equally revered in the > West. She is considered one of the greatest of the saints. While > there is debate whether she was the prostitute/adulteress who was > saved from stoning by Jesus (and most theologians and historians > believe she was not) such an identification doesn't imply that she is > tainted somehow. It would simply point out the magnitude of her > conversion and salvation. Oh yes, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. And I do want to underscore your reminder that the Western Church today doesn't support the identification of Magdalen as a reformed prostitute -- but that connection is pervasive in the art of the period I study, which is medieval ... and as you point out, the magnitude of her rise from the "lowest of the low" was part of her appeal to ordinary sinners. However, after so many years analyzing medieval Magdalen images, where understanding the prostitution connection is vital, I was quite surprised to find out that this is absent from her backstory in the Eastern church. And that affects her representation in Eastern Christian art. Of course, I've also found that almost everything I know about iconography goes out the window when I'm looking at Eastern Christian art. Normally I can identify a saint at 50 paces, but I stood in my husband's newly decorated Greek Orthodox Church, turning around and around looking at the icons, utterly mystified because I didn't recognize the attributes for most of them, and I couldn't read the Greek labels. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 00:22:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4MKCH001753 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:22:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R4MCSq000668; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:22:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4LTuh030685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4LRkc051994; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3R4LN6J051884 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 80072 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 04:21:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.89 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 04:21:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:21:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:22:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445046F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:05 27/04/2006, you wrote: > >> >>Talia >> >>Didn't get the original mail. I am basically looking for a "gold" >>(look) chain for my husband to wear to a one-off SCA event when we >>are in the States. I have the mandatory pearls, and some rings, but >>nothing for him. As his costume -f it ever gets made - is from my >>stash, I can afford a repro chain, possibly, but not the real thing. > >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for >Knights. Most people won't be that rude but you're likely to get >somebody come up and point out the rules to you, and if you're >wearing good quality clothes they may assume you're an established >member and therefore should know better. >Elizabeth Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 00:22:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4MNXD001754 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:22:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R4MFfI010180; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:22:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4LTo7030682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4LRPm051993; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3R4LNGa051883 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 80061 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 04:21:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.254.89 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 04:21:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051733.01dc13f0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:18:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: <000b01c66994$4c34e8d0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <200604260322.k3Q3Lsnd047751@net.indra.com> <000001c668f9$52ae2e10$6400a8c0@grapeape> <6.2.3.4.0.20060426093642.01da9fc8@127.0.0.1> <000b01c66994$4c34e8d0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:22:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445046F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:48 27/04/2006, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:38 PM >Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery > > >> >>There is someone on this list who makes reproduction Tudor >>jewellery - I thought I had it book marked but I can't find it. Can >>anyone help please? >> >>Suzi (who seems to have mislaid a lot of things this week!) >I'm guessing you mean Sapphire and Sage >http://www.sapphireandsage.com/index.html I've actually just ordered >a brooch from her, it's a custom piece based on the portrait of >Princess Elizabeth http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/kideliz.jpg and >it's not in the catalogue on the website yet (and presumably won't >be until it's finished) >Elizabeth That's the one - thank you Elizabeth - all I have to do now is choose! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 00:33:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4XG3Y002264 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:33:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R4X8Ik027662; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:33:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4Wvou031838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4WOQR059577; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net (eastrmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R4VoAI059142 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060427043144.GBUQ9931.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:31:44 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:31:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Thread-Index: AcZpmJfWoL2MeLV2TfSmgwIHnlZQUwAGqmFQ Message-Id: <20060427043144.GBUQ9931.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:33:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44504984.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold chain >to >an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for Knights. Most people >won't be that rude but you're likely to get somebody come up and point out >the rules to you, and if you're wearing good quality clothes they may >assume >you're an established member and therefore should know better. >Elizabeth Good point and I am surprised I did not think of it. Thanks, Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 01:15:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5FVes004118 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:15:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R5FNLm023062; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5EPsP035584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:14:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5ELMG086678; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:14:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav5.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5EIBY086630 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.64.65 by BAY106-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:14:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.121.64.65] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060426220248.4qlmzaiu2oowc8os@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: MCT & Amazon... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3R5FVes004118 Status: RO Janet, do you by any chance have "Moda a Firenze" in stock? susan No, getting foreign language books is really difficult. I'd recommend ordering it here http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?AB~home~&cart=0 although I see he's raised his price some since the last time I contemplated ordering it. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 01:25:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5Pmgs004598 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:25:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R5Peme029977; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:25:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5P6Gc036704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5P4Yi094428; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5P1jq094326 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:24:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.64.65 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:24:55 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.121.64.65] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1><002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:25:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:25:02 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2006 05:24:57.0400 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC2F6380:01C669BA] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:25:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445055D4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3R5Pmgs004598 Status: RO >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for >Knights. Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. ------------------------------------------------------- If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no problem but wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) would be a major faux pas. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 01:55:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5tFm8006008 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:55:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R5t7t5017725; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5sqOG039486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5snLc013897; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R5sj3i013842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:14016 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FYzSs-0004U0-0O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:54:58 -0500 Message-ID: <032601c669bf$17ab9a70$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:54:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:55:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44505CBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ahhhhhh, duh. Half the posts made it sound like MCT was the same thing as the Henry VIII book, which I take it is not the case? Is the Henry VIII book the one that as yet has no exact release date? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 02:18:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R6IUiL013224 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:18:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R6IKVA032388; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:18:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R6HO1n043017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R6HJSv029969; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R6HEiH029921 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A072228B0342; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:10:58 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Titanic Musical Clarification / Costume praise. Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:16:14 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c669c2$166e7f30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3dd.b833d5.31812cb0@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO You could do body paint, like that guy who does trompe l'oeil on models in Holland (I think) Might get you an interesting review, though. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Titanic Musical Clarification / Costume praise. In a message dated 4/26/2006 3:00:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chindora@aol.com writes: So, yeah, while costumes are not the only factor in a successful movie/play that is historically based, they definitely have an impact. ***************** I'd say greater than scenery...though of course scene designers might disagree. A scene designer can suggest a wall or a tree or whatever. You cannot suggest a bodice or a pair of shoes. They have to be there. And you can do a play with no scenery... Moliere and Shakespeare did all the time. But actors must wear something. And if you're looking at the actor [which I hope you are], you're looking at the costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 03:27:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R7R15N003085 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:27:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3R7QqPP011038; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:26:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R7QYZY048156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R7QTAe074016; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3R7QOFo073931 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:26:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 35150 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 07:26:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 07:26:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:26:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450723D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:25 27/04/2006, you wrote: > >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold > >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for > >Knights. > >Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and >have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not >have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. >------------------------------------------------------- >If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no problem >but wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) >would be a major faux pas. That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious and inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can remember.He will probably have to go without altogether in that case, as I don't want to spend money on something he can't wear here. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RC78bL018100 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:07:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RC702F025286; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:07:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RC6hQC070296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RC6bi2062317; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RC6Zis062290 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1371733wra for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:06:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NP3Je4MHRDj6o3oYrAYlHjFhruDrD0n0ePD/yNjk2Zyyo41FJiwnbkel2Iwf+0VR3QNi6KXEvEXbHFjF9LUFCXLyhG1dztmtDU3m9hqG38NTaE5tVq9NN666pP46wlJKXrO4lvX2Oy+Oo29/zusDTkvj/ctXVBP7C/eHAM3WdRQ= Received: by 10.65.214.6 with SMTP id r6mr989102qbq; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604270506q736630d6m59570929cbdcb7aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:06:32 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060425210321.52773.qmail@web53213.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3RC6Zis062290 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:07:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B3E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO grrr... still waiting for mine. Bridgette > On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Gytha Stonegrinder wrote: > > > I got mine today! Looks good! Thanks, Kathy > > And, hurrah, mine just arrived! > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:16:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCGmqH018350 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:16:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCGeVG001896; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:16:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCFThj070956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCFUrT069237; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R8YiK5015704 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k3R8YYT24514.; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:34:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:34:34 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:34:18 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: J.S.Bach, was Re: [h-cost]OT Canonizing work just because its old Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3R8YiK5015704 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:16:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B628.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No, I didn't use the word "lost" - that was another poster whom I was supporting. I found this: http://www.carolinaclassical.com/mendelssohn/index.html (paragraphs 9 and 10) which gives some support to both assertions. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> AlbertCat@aol.com 26/04/2006 17:18 >>> In a message dated 4/26/2006 11:50:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: Before that, Bach's music may have been known to professional musicians but he wasn't thought of as a major composer by the average music-lover. **************** Nope. Just about every educated person and/or aristocrat learned to play something. If it had a keyboard, these people learned some Bach. I assure Bach was not "LOST"...the word you used. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:20:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCKegb018459 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:20:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCKWHm006994; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:20:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCIQBp071147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCISi6071503; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:18:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3R919pv033121 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060427090103.ZPVI1391.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:01:03 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([222.154.133.198]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060427090103.IAMO11236.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:01:03 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.5.0/325]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:01:09 +1200 Message-ID: <006301c669d9$204a0760$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1><002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> Subject: SCA symptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:01:09 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=49% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:20:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B710.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or > decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious > and inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can > remember.He will probably have to go without altogether in that case, > as I don't want to spend money on something he can't wear here. Or just do something extremly unobtrusive. I have heard of people wiring in a tiny little bead so that when someone was rude enough to confront them (and there are people who are sticklers for this) they could show that it was indeed decorated. There is no rule that stipulates just how obvious hte decoration needs to be as far as I know. People have also put a ribbon in theirs as well. I suggest this only for those with a sense of humour and who can have a good gentle giggle about it. I personally like pushing comfort levels but know that there is a fine line before pushing buttons;) The only wide chains I can think of are chains of office which do have a dangling pendant quite often. but then I keep imagining men from Henry VIII's reign and of high rank. I face the same issue myself as I do German renaissance, and there are a large number of unadorned chains. In fact my next big item has a matching guertel and kette in plain gold chain. I'm going to swap out those items for ones seen in different portraits. ANd probably whack a pendant on the end of the kette. I also worried about the headdress for my Valois gown as it was extremely decorative and could look like I was assuming status I don't have as a Pointy Hatted person. But it was far enough on the back of my head to not look like a circle or coronet at all. Some kingdoms have actual written suptuary laws, some are just tradition. They are a handy way of instant recognition, but don't work in every case, and when not everyone knows the rules. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 26/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:22:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCMcO6018517 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCMUYc005309; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCL5G6071401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCL7J9073618; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RBc94X040110 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 05:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18005 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:12:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:12:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: <032601c669bf$17ab9a70$9400a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4450B786.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, E House wrote: > Ahhhhhh, duh. Half the posts made it sound like MCT was the same > thing as the Henry VIII book, which I take it is not the case? Is the > Henry VIII book the one that as yet has no exact release date? Here's my post on that: On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I've just heard from my contact at the publisher that _Dress at the Court > of King Henry VIII_, listed as forthcoming in 2006, will not be out till > at least the end of the year or possibly early 2007. (The manuscript is > not yet complete.) > > More whenever I know more. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:22:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCMu29018524 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCMmfi010735; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCKqFH071331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCKslr073393; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCKo4Q073264 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:20:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.5]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IYD001ICRMUCBP0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:20:54 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:20:43 -0300 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:20:40 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery To: Historical Costume Message-id: <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B798.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO how about a plain SILVER chain? Gold is the only *reserved* unadorned chain 'colour' Sarah Paterson (Mistress Bess Darnley) ----- Original Message ----- >>If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no problem but >>wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) would be >>a major faux pas. > > > That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or decorated > chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious and inaccurate, > as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can remember.He will probably > have to go without altogether in that case, as I don't want to spend money > on something he can't wear here. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:25:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCPTYg018599 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCPLTP014917; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCNslg071667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:23:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCNvvk075767; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RCJQ3L072135 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) X-TZO-Forward: h-costume@indra.com Received: from 71.197.44.2 by omr.tzo.com id 2006042708191904691 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:19:19 GMT Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:16:11 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:19:22 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <000501c669f4$d129c4b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcZpzTZ8YZzzcr3KRUKLgOQfEBypkAAJzw4g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2006 12:16:11.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F1FE3E0:01C669F4] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B831.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Loophole alert- plain chain is very plain-if you hang a brooch or pendant (removable) off of it and you shouldn't have any problems. Pyro- sister to heralds -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:26 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery At 06:25 27/04/2006, you wrote: > >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold > >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for > >Knights. > >Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and >have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not >have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. >------------------------------------------------------- >If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no problem >but wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) >would be a major faux pas. That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious and inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can remember.He will probably have to go without altogether in that case, as I don't want to spend money on something he can't wear here. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:26:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCQk59018633 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCQcSU007987; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCQJod071804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCQIal077552; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCQEGc077431 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:26:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A85F026C; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:07 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 27 Apr 2006 08:25:53 -0400 Message-ID: <006f01c669f6$1c853100$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c66982$4a15de90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] new books Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:28:34 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4450B87E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am waiting for another 18thC book I ordered last week...18th C Costume in the National Museums and Galleries on Merseyside. I will look for your title also! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] new books > This is not one of the books talked about here, but i do really look > forwards to this book, wich will be released 29th of april: > Dress in France in the Eighteenth Century > By: Madeleine Delpierre > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:30:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCUEKG018772 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:30:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCU6mj022328; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:30:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCTrvI072017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCTqXg080356; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RCTnYa080245 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 12016 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 12:29:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 12:29:42 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427132637.01db7c50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:29:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B94E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:20 27/04/2006, you wrote: >how about a plain SILVER chain? Gold is the only *reserved* >unadorned chain 'colour' I have never seen a silver chain in a painting of the period our clothes come from, the late 1580's, whereas I have seen plain gold chains. Also, my husband's jerkin, if I ever get round to making it, is black and gold brocade, so I wouldn't naturally think of putting silver on that. I have asked my hostess to let me know the rules that govern clothing for this particular group, so I don't cause any more waves. Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. Suzi >Sarah Paterson (Mistress Bess Darnley) > >----- Original Message ----- >>>If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no >>>problem but wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned >>>against it) would be a major faux pas. >> >> >>That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or >>decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious >>and inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can >>remember.He will probably have to go without altogether in that >>case, as I don't want to spend money on something he can't wear here. >> >>Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:30:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCUuRR018802 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:30:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCUmA0010716; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:30:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCUH6x072046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCUHMp080721; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:30:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCUEQN080591 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.38]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060427123008.PUZB24762.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:30:08 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.38]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060427123007.ZGW21950.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:30:07 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060427070637.026a2320@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:29:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book In-Reply-To: <200604270617.k3R6HJHA029974@net.indra.com> References: <200604270617.k3R6HJHA029974@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4450B978.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am on Digest, so someone else may have already answered your question, but just in case.. There are four books being discussed in this thread. Three are currently available (and I have received my copies): Medieval Clothing and Textiles 2 (Medieval Clothing and Textiles) by Robin Netherton (Editor), Gale R. Owen-Crocker (Editor) Hardcover: 200 pages Publisher: Boydell Press (April 1, 2006) ISBN: 1843832038 The Tudor Tailor by Ninya Mikhaila ISBN 0713489855 http://www.tudortailor.com/ The Inventory of King Henry VIII: Volume I, The Transcript edited by David Starkey, transcribed by Philip Ward and indexed by Alasdair Hawkyard 539p (Harvey Miller/Society of Antiquaries 1998) ISBN 1872501893. Hardback. Publishers price US $144.00, David Brown Books Price US $72.00 and the following has been delayed in publication: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward. Maney Pub. (2006). Clothbound with full colour dustjacket, ca 384 pages with ca 150 b&w and 30 colour illustrations. ISBN 1 904350 70 4. http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 Since I am interested in earlier times as well. I am also eagerly awaiting: Osebergfunnet IV - Tekstilene (The Oseberg find - The textiles) due out next month Cloth and Clothing in Anglo-Saxon England, AD 450-700 by Penelope Rogers 250p, 100 illus. (Council for British Archaeology 2005) ISBN 1902771540. Paperback. I have had this one on order since April of last year (2005) and the latest info is that it will not be published until the end of this year (2006). Hope that this helps. Beth >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:54:45 -0500 >From: "E House" > >Ahhhhhh, duh. Half the posts made it sound like MCT was the same thing as >the Henry VIII book, which I take it is not the case? Is the Henry VIII >book the one that as yet has no exact release date? > >-E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:32:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCWmtL018865 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:32:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCWdK1025750; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:32:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCWRAu072126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCWQve082440; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RCWN2t082313 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9956 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 12:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 12:32:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427133103.01e29e68@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:32:18 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: <000501c669f4$d129c4b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <000501c669f4$d129c4b0$6601a8c0@PYC64> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:32:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450B9E7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:19 27/04/2006, you wrote: >Loophole alert- plain chain is very plain-if you hang a brooch or pendant >(removable) off of it and you shouldn't have any problems. >Pyro- sister to heralds Now that's a great idea - I can live with that - thank you so much. Suzi >At 06:25 27/04/2006, you wrote: > > >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold > > >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for > > >Knights. > > > >Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and > >have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not > >have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. > >------------------------------------------------------- > >If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no problem > >but wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) > >would be a major faux pas. > > >That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or >decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious >and inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can >remember.He will probably have to go without altogether in that case, >as I don't want to spend money on something he can't wear here. > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 08:39:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCdFr0019057 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:39:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RCd7Ic001095; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCcHYZ072916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCcEDC087082; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RCcAhu086935 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.5]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IYD00JXRSFSC811@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:38:16 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:38:05 -0300 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:38:02 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery To: Historical Costume Message-id: <001f01c669f7$6cb752b0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427132637.01db7c50@127.0.0.1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:39:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450BB6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO While I agree about the clashing metals - I do not about "just because those who could afford portraits wore it so it could not possibly be the other" theory...this is the time that lays the foundation for the middleclasses of the 17th & 18th century - I just wish Elizabethans had cameras....But if you are dressing your husband in the clothing of the portrait class - never mind. Have fun at the event - we are not all stuck-up-boobs as this rule about the chain implies. Middleclass Elizabethan in the SCA Sarah ----- Original Message ----- > At 13:20 27/04/2006, you wrote: >>how about a plain SILVER chain? Gold is the only *reserved* unadorned >>chain 'colour' > > > I have never seen a silver chain in a painting of the period our clothes > come from, the late 1580's, whereas I have seen plain gold chains. Also, > my husband's jerkin, if I ever get round to making it, is black and gold > brocade, so I wouldn't naturally think of putting silver on that. > > I have asked my hostess to let me know the rules that govern clothing for > this particular group, so I don't cause any more waves. > > Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. > > Suzi > > >>Sarah Paterson (Mistress Bess Darnley) >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>>>If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no problem but >>>>wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) would >>>>be a major faux pas. >>> >>> >>>That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or >>>decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious and >>>inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can remember.He >>>will probably have to go without altogether in that case, as I don't want >>>to spend money on something he can't wear here. >>> >>>Suzi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 09:09:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RD9sjc019881 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:09:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RD9kBG004074; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:09:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RD9HEg075751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RD9DhA013463; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RD97uN013373 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55f6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.246]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 69327262864 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:09:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c669fb$cecd32e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:09:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450C29A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have spend a lot of time speculating and considered wether i should make a suit for myself with bullion roses or not. I have come to the conclusion, that i will. I dont want my creativity stopped because it is not historically correct. I did try, but i felt so sad that i would not be able to use some of the embroidery i make the best, so i desided to skip the authentity and dont care about what others will say. It was known to make bullion roses, i saw them on some 17th century glove cuffs some time ago, worked in metal threads. I just uploaded the start of this projekt, i am in the middle of upscaling patterns now. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 09:29:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDT6ZM020373 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:29:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RDSwGn021010; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:29:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDMk76077043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDMj2M024884; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDMgqV024834 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:22:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t15so1305066wxc for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:22:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cBTd6XkA9aT+fKKPkW1zgKrdLyJupIRUO7+FdrUe6L4bxLC0KYzJ/bbZ/Qi/YCS0kssQzzTLbzGquaRtzOPAX4WAJx9ym2CBQ2W/jN9Z5WzIuVsEdDZIYswIcCg1yYRmVrM0z244vX2JsPl8hEC6KkbaLhaJKQ+GmRzuPOMZjN8= Received: by 10.70.70.5 with SMTP id s5mr742098wxa; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0604270622g35def7fmc31d6f2f92d4de1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:22:41 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3RDT6ZM020373 Status: RO Bjarne, I don't know enough to say whether it is historically accurate or not. However, your design is gorgeous! Anytime I see you post a link to your work, I scurry to see what you've done, as I am in total awe of your embroidery skills. I can't wait to see the photos as the project moves forward. Kristin On 4/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I have spend a lot of time speculating and considered wether i should make > a > suit for myself with bullion roses or not. I have come to the conclusion, > that i will. I dont want my creativity stopped because it is not > historically correct. I did try, but i felt so sad that i would not be > able > to use some of the embroidery i make the best, so i desided to skip the > authentity and dont care about what others will say. > It was known to make bullion roses, i saw them on some 17th century glove > cuffs some time ago, worked in metal threads. > I just uploaded the start of this projekt, i am in the middle of upscaling > patterns now. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 09:30:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDUbEN020420 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:30:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RDUTNh004517; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:30:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDPCRx077291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDPBqb026997; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDP58H026902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:14471 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FZ6UU-00085g-Mx for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:08 -0500 Message-ID: <035d01c669fd$ffd6fe00$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200604270617.k3R6HJHA029974@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060427070637.026a2320@mail.alltel.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:25:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:30:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4450C775.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks, that's exactly what I needed. Apparently in all the recent flood of posts to this list, I deleted a few key items that would have made sense of everything... _2_ H8 books under discussion! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 09:56:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDuk0N021058 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:56:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RDucbI014590; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:56:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDoqq5086533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDopUu049241; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:50:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDojru049139 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m227.in-tch.com [216.166.191.227]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3RDfGA07069 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:41:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005901c66a02$9efb8380$e3bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1><002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135><6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1><6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <006301c669d9$204a0760$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: SCA symptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:58:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:56:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450CD96.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As a long-time SCA member, I think the original poster's best choice of action would be to ask their intended hostess/inviter, as she did mention that she was going to. The hostess would be the best source for knowing local SCA levels of tolerance for such things. Personally, I live in a relatively relaxed kingdom that has written sumptuary *customs.* I'd think the gentleman in question would *probably* be okay with his gold chain, especially if he went with a style that wasn't simple gold links--maybe a Lancastrian collar (aren't those the ones with the "s" shape?)?? And even more telling, if he refrained from wearing a white belt, which is the other main piece of regalia/clothing specifically associated with SCA chivalry members. In my part of the Known World (Artemisia, which comprises Montana, southern Idaho, Utah, and bits of Wyoming and Colorado...for the non-Americans, that's the northern part of the Rocky Mountain states), I can't recall a time when I *didn't* see members of the chivalry wearing *both* the chain AND the belt. And frequently spurs, as well. A while back, I asked a number of them about the feasibility of wearing just a plain gold chain with really big links, since I was thinking of wearing a GermanRen gown to Coronation, and wanted the proper jewelry. None of them had a problem with it, because, they said, it would be obvious from context. Also, as a member of the other SCA peerage orders, I'm allowed (in this kingdom at least) to wear a plain gold chain with the medallion(s) of my order(s) dependent from the chain, when I'm in fealty to the Crown. So I could have done that, as well. --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: SCA symptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery > > That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or > > decorated chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious > > and inaccurate, as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can > > remember.He will probably have to go without altogether in that case, > > as I don't want to spend money on something he can't wear here. > > Or just do something extremly unobtrusive. I have heard of people wiring in > a tiny little bead so that when someone was rude enough to confront them > (and there are people who are sticklers for this) they could show that it > was indeed decorated. There is no rule that stipulates just how obvious hte > decoration needs to be as far as I know. People have also put a ribbon in > theirs as well. I suggest this only for those with a sense of humour and who > can have a good gentle giggle about it. I personally like pushing comfort > levels but know that there is a fine line before pushing buttons;) > > The only wide chains I can think of are chains of office which do have a > dangling pendant quite often. but then I keep imagining men from Henry > VIII's reign and of high rank. > > I face the same issue myself as I do German renaissance, and there are a > large number of unadorned chains. In fact my next big item has a matching > guertel and kette in plain gold chain. I'm going to swap out those items for > ones seen in different portraits. ANd probably whack a pendant on the end of > the kette. > > I also worried about the headdress for my Valois gown as it was extremely > decorative and could look like I was assuming status I don't have as a > Pointy Hatted person. But it was far enough on the back of my head to not > look like a circle or coronet at all. > > Some kingdoms have actual written suptuary laws, some are just tradition. > They are a handy way of instant recognition, but don't work in every case, > and when not everyone knows the rules. > > Michaela de Bruce > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 09:59:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDxgBi021128 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:59:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RDxYKN017560; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:59:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDojgM086467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RDohCj049095; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:50:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RDodOD048931 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCFBVANAQHSSH2 for (sender ); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNYGSLMP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:48:29 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20060427.064811.2736.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,8-12,14-39 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 14:7:3402681022 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgiJTdxR5KTVAnGFCquspaqU= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] SCA sumptuary laws: was Tudor Jewellery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:59:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450CE46.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The reservations about gold chains really depends on where you live and how you wear it. Some kingdoms are pretty strict about it. Others are much looser. I've seen some beautiful chains of office here, used both literally as chains of office (my shire has such to go with its officers robes) and as handy places to hang any tokens (awards, personal heraldry, etc.). Maybe you can adapt use of the gold chain. Gold chains on Crannach gowns don't tweak anyone here--they are obviously part of the wardrobe. Mistress Arlys in An Tir, the 'rebel' kingdom On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:20:40 -0300 SPaterson writes: > how about a plain SILVER chain? Gold is the only *reserved* unadorned > chain > 'colour' > > Sarah Paterson (Mistress Bess Darnley) > > ----- Original Message ----- > >>If you are getting a jeweled or decorated chain, there's no > problem but > >>wearing a plain gold chain (after having been warned against it) > would be > >>a major faux pas. > > > > > > That is a real pity, as if my husband were to wear a jewelled or > decorated > > chain in England it would be considered to be pretentious and > inaccurate, > > as it is not seen in portraits as far as I can remember.He will > probably > > have to go without altogether in that case, as I don't want to > spend money > > on something he can't wear here. > > > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 10:15:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REFn9s021473 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:15:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3REFfJU032632; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:15:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REAIsU094406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REA9An066873; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REA4Ah066683 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.380.2213eff (4214) for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <380.2213eff.31822ab2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:09:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/27/2006 9:13:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I just uploaded the start of this projekt, i am in the middle of upscaling patterns now. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm Oh, Bjarne, you're going to make us all jealous again! I, personally, have no problem with interpretation. Everything we do has to be an interpretation/adaptation to some extent. The issue is just how much. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 10:27:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RERKYN021864 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:27:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RERAj3011547; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REQgNc000679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REQfbG082050; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3REQblI081982 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3REQZTm017369 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:26:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "klh" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:27:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4450D4BE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Basically the only things to avoid as far as visiting an SCA event would be white belts, unadorned chains, spurs, and coronets/crowns/adorned circlets. This would apply to both male and female visitors. Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 12:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for >Knights. Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 12:07:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RG7MtY024040 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:07:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RG7DiH029893; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:07:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RG6lH2018404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RG6ckE082144; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RG6Uxi081994 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5586.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.134]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D9EBFAC07F for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:06:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c66a14$8eb11d20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c669fb$cecd32e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <33a78bfb0604270622g35def7fmc31d6f2f92d4de1f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. 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Status: RO Hi Kristin, Many thanks for your words. Yes ill keep you updated. I settled down with myself, with the idea to stay home from events this year, to take care of renewing my wardrobe. I just got the book 17th and 18th century mens fashions and patterns cut, wich is highly apreciated, with many many ideas to make, even better that the cuts, nearly have no major changes to my size. Its lovely! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. Bjarne, I don't know enough to say whether it is historically accurate or not. However, your design is gorgeous! Anytime I see you post a link to your work, I scurry to see what you've done, as I am in total awe of your embroidery skills. I can't wait to see the photos as the project moves forward. Kristin On 4/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I have spend a lot of time speculating and considered wether i should make > a > suit for myself with bullion roses or not. I have come to the conclusion, > that i will. I dont want my creativity stopped because it is not > historically correct. I did try, but i felt so sad that i would not be > able > to use some of the embroidery i make the best, so i desided to skip the > authentity and dont care about what others will say. > It was known to make bullion roses, i saw them on some 17th century glove > cuffs some time ago, worked in metal threads. > I just uploaded the start of this projekt, i am in the middle of upscaling > patterns now. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 12:23:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RGN0wl024322 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:23:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RGMqi1009447; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RGJtDU021004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RGJXSw096235; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RGJS1f096106 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5586.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.134]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 86079FAC044 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:19:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c66a16$6148bee0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <380.2213eff.31822ab2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. 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Status: RO Hi, Thanks, its a release that you think so. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. > > In a message dated 4/27/2006 9:13:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > I just uploaded the start of this projekt, i am in the middle of > upscaling > patterns now. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > > > > Oh, Bjarne, you're going to make us all jealous again! I, personally, > have > no problem with interpretation. Everything we do has to be an > interpretation/adaptation to some extent. The issue is just how much. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 14:00:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from mailservices.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RHxxw3026625 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:00:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailservices.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RHxoD9006026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:59:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RHxIpK035299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RHwrTK096733; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RHwdLE096411 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i20so1513982wra for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:58:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oKRkzpU/TpbHM8q6N+OMlZMOttL6HBqZ3ZAQNZIIhfHwDwLkuhiPs7j5S85Ot/kaZ9jfb/yxHEXt9p0YE7KaPdXdIdOSSyUA7/ykQB3+tSd3Mxy7QFVA/N3ytzKt2MMTh6s6PIaP1IkXF+GGHwONVdPF35LX58bu8e9czghOlJM= Received: by 10.54.159.15 with SMTP id h15mr816784wre; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.130.12 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:58:35 -0700 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3RHwdLE096411 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:59:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44510696.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. I listened to the unabridged audio book and it seemed like an author who took some facts, some legends, a few other theories.... tweeked to taste and shook well to create an interesting *story*. I couldn't figure out why so many people were trying to prove/debunk it. To me it was like trying to prove/debunk Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes. Medieval Clothing and Textiles 2 is awsome, especially "Clothing Themselves in Acres: Apparel and Impoverishment in Medieval and Early Modern England". Onaree On 4/24/06, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > I agree, that's not going to happen, especially when people become > millionares by claiming that the preposterous -- which would otherwise be a > fun "alternate history -- is true. Like . . . Dan Brown and "The DaVinci > Code," for instance. A bunch of crap from beginning to end (oops, did I open > a can of worms?) to anyone who knows ANYTHING about history, art, theology, > etc. Again, claim it's fiction and who cares? But claim it's true and -- !!! > > Gail Finke -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 14:36:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RIapDL027662 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:36:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RIah4k032561; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:36:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RIaN3I040627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RIaA95034078; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:36:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RIZLel033225 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 70855 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 18:35:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 18:35:16 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427192904.01e13a20@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:35:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery resolved In-Reply-To: <001f01c669f7$6cb752b0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427132637.01db7c50@127.0.0.1> <001f01c669f7$6cb752b0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.233]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44510F3B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:38 27/04/2006, you wrote: >While I agree about the clashing metals - I do not about "just >because those who could afford portraits wore it so it could not >possibly be the other" theory...this is the time that lays the >foundation for the middleclasses of the 17th & 18th century - I just >wish Elizabethans had cameras....But if you are dressing your >husband in the clothing of the portrait class - never mind. Have fun >at the event - we are not all stuck-up-boobs as this rule about the >chain implies. To anyone still interested. With all your help and advice, I had a rummage through my jewellery box to see what I could find - it's amazing what one keeps - I know about the fabric stash - but jewellery? When I have worn only earrings as jewellery for 20 years - help!! Anyway, I found a single "gold" chain, which looks reasonable, and a pendant thing I could attach to it for the SCA event, on a temporary basis. (If you look very carefully at the back it says "Tie Rack" but it has a good weight, has an oval pearl and a ring of "gold" around it, and looks quite impressive.) I have one or two other medallion/pendant type things I will take just in case, but the best bit? Thanks to the jewel box, I don't have to spend any money!! Thanks to all for your help and advice. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 15:09:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJ9CXJ028249 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:09:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RJ92Mv024156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:09:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJ8QkT045199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJ8Kpv066734; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJ8BKe066593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:14937 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FZBqb-0000oy-45 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:08:18 -0500 Message-ID: <03c701c66a2d$eebb4240$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:08:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] semi-OT: FFC website, call for fabric-related articles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:09:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445116CE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3RJ9CXJ028249 Status: RO As none of you probably know yet, I've been hired by Fashion Fabrics Club to overhaul their website. We're starting with everything BUT the appearance--recategorizing the fabrics, making it easier for people to figure out what they're looking for, adding static content, and a lot more. To that end, I have the owner's permission to ask those who are knowledgeable about fabric, sewing, home decorating, and costuming for articles which will appear on the website. There will be no direct payment, but contributors will be offered a nice discount, a very large audience, and if applicable, a bit of free advertisement for your products and/or services. Articles don't necessarily need to have anything to do with historical costume. They need only have something to do with fabric: fabric care, choosing the right fabric, project ideas/instructions, writeups on previous projects, and so on. If anyone is interested in participating, please email me off-list. I can't promise to take every single article offered, as I want to keep a good balance of subject matter and avoid repetition, but all articles or article ideas will certainly be considered. (You might want to run the topic by me before spending hours writing an article that I can't use!) As an example, one of the first articles I'd like to add to the website is one about wool 'allergies': how to deal with an actual allergy to lanolin, how to deal with itchiness due to scratchy fibers, and how to avoid irritation caused by chemical fabric treatments. Also, in the next few months we'll need beta-testers and people willing to take surveys. Payment in the form of a nice discount will be offered for this, as well. If the list-mom allows, I'll post again here when we're ready for that. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 15:30:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJUMpQ028747 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RJUD4R003882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:30:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJObop047819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJOWFe083502; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:24:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJOQHu083322 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ca.17260a3 (15886) for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-M05 (fwm-m05.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.69]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e44511a5f132; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:24:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:24:18 -0400 Message-Id: <8C83847504ACA47-1210-3B98@FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <000b01c669fb$cecd32e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <33a78bfb0604270622g35def7fmc31d6f2f92d4de1f@mail.gmail.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by FWM-M05.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.69) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:24:18 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0604270622g35def7fmc31d6f2f92d4de1f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.69 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.233]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:30:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44511BC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am one who doesn't know enough to judge something as lovely as your work. Please keep us up to date on your newest project. What I have seen is wonderful so far. Sincerely, theresa On 4/27/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > I have spend a lot of time speculating and considered wether i should make > a > suit for myself with bullion roses or not. I have come to the conclusion, > that i will. I dont want my creativity stopped because it is not > historically correct. I did try, but i felt so sad that i would not be > able > to use some of the embroidery i make the best, so i desided to skip the > authentity and dont care about what others will say. > It was known to make bullion roses, i saw them on some 17th century glove > cuffs some time ago, worked in metal threads. > I just uploaded the start of this projekt, i am in the middle of upscaling > patterns now. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 15:40:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJe0ZO028968 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:40:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RJdosc008404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJdaHM049761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJdQCl096861; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.areatech.com [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJdIUj096592 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AA7A3679E for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:39:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006301c669d9$204a0760$0301010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.233]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44511E06.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you are talking about this headdress, http://www.marileecody.com/isabel.jpg I don't see how it could be mistaken for a circlet or coronet. From my understanding, this is an elaborate French hood. Some think of is a Renaissance pillbox hat. De -----Original Message----- I also worried about the headdress for my Valois gown as it was extremely decorative and could look like I was assuming status I don't have as a Pointy Hatted person. But it was far enough on the back of my head to not look like a circle or coronet at all. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 15:58:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJwRpQ029479 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:58:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RJwHDF002889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:58:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJvtSg052233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJvmiK013632; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25912.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25912.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RJvdgB013330 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:57:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 97854 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2006 19:57:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ixGxOoihwR2zj9P8haabKLQqch2Z4nUFi67GPvoELOP76YSRPnMl6+shQ552iPmykGUDUxGABoZtCVZSioN34EvEDWbeJcZWZWXWWxq45nhwauJcyiyMqgO/HHoubo9rF/w5vNBBhaPiqkQgN4IE9Bm67wtRy/4FRs2P8eXWO/k= ; Message-ID: <20060427195729.97852.qmail@web25912.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [87.244.64.25] by web25912.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:57:29 BST Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:57:29 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: aotc@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3D538C824729234BAC86659538EDBBE21EA400@sagemsg0020.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: [h-cost] Patterns for Late-15thC European gentle/noble womens head-dresses. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.233]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44512259.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gentles of the List, I solicit your help most urgently in finding Patterns for late-15th C European gentle/noble women's head-dresses. My Lady Alys Vitel de Ploubazlanec* wants to make herself some more headresses to complement the one she already has. She wants to be able to do this in time for our Duke's Leopards second event of our 2006 Season, a big 3-day Camp at the end of May, [when we shall co-incidentally be hosting 15 Subjects of the Kingdom of Drachenwald]. [ * If you want to see her in one of her 2 dresses, then look under "Companie Personas" in the Main Menu at our Companie website - < www.dukesleopards.org > ] The Fashions in "old" Jersey during the period 1450-1509 were largely influenced by the Duchy of Burgundy, and the frequently-visiting Merchants from the Italian States [travelling aboard Venetian-led Trade Fleets stopping in the Anglo-Norman Islands en-route for ports further northwards.] I managed to buy a copy of "Period Patterns Tudor head-dresses" {No 52} 2 years back, but loaned it out and it has been mislaid. My Lady and I are fairly new at re-enacting, - and this is the only such Pattern for head-dresses of "our period that we are aware of. My usual [and my main] "kit" Supplier in the States - [for when we have to buy readymade what we need urgently and cannot make for ourselves] , the ever-helpful Jeremy Clos, tells me he doesn't stock Period Patterns any longer, citing "supply problems". If *he's* having problems getting Period Pastterns promptly to order, I assume that the same probabaly applies to all the other Stockists listed on the Period Patterns website. So, can I ask for your recommendations for EITHER- a Stockist who IS likely to have that Pattern in stock now OR b] another source of readily-available Patterns for appropriate "in-Period" head-dresses. With Thanks in advance for the helpful replies I know some of you will be able to send, I ask God's Blessings on your Houses and your Works, until He calls us Home, to Him Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "old" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - --------------------------------- Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 16:31:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RKVb12030174 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:31:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RKVSbF026767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:31:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RKUh9x056161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RKUaRn042428; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RKH27I030984 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22939 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:51:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:51:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.233]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44512A21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Onaree Berard wrote: > Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. Early on, he made a point about being very mysterious, which fed the hype and spawned the collateral books about decoding the secrets, or debunking the story. More of a problem, I think, are that at various points in the book, he presents certain things overtly as facts, upon which the story is built. Alas, many of those "facts" are just as fictitious as the rest of it. A French friend of mine was livid that he couldn't even get the geography right -- e.g. traveling north (or east or whatever he said) as described in the book would not take you to Versailles, etc. > Medieval Clothing and Textiles 2 is awsome, > especially "Clothing Themselves in Acres: Apparel and Impoverishment > in Medieval and Early Modern England". Thanks! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:02:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN2k2T001447 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:02:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RN2b0N031913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN20H7075382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN1q83075571; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3REnEnK004079 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 27605 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 14:49:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 14:49:05 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427154513.01e124b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:49:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery/Sumptuary laws. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:02:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44514D8D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:28 27/04/2006, you wrote: >Basically the only things to avoid as far as visiting an SCA event would be >white belts, unadorned chains, spurs, and coronets/crowns/adorned circlets. >This would apply to both male and female visitors. Thanks Talia - never considered a white belt, or the other things, only the chain. My hostess is going to ask the appropriate person in her "group" for want of a better word, and let me know. That seems the safest solution, and best all round. I feel very honoured to be invited, and had no idea there might be sumptuary laws, so I am glad to have found out in time. Suzi > >Just a note, you may get hassled if your Husband wears a plain gold > >chain to an SCA event, in the SCA that is insignia reserved for > >Knights. > >Thank you for the warning. I think as we are "foreign" visitors, and >have been specially invited to the event as guests, we may well not >have a problem. However, I will check with my hostess. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:05:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN52Tx001504 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:05:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RN4rm1000486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN47Ws075720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN452O077478; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3REvOMV012187 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 94782 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 14:57:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 14:57:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427134822.01e10c50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:50:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: <001f01c669f7$6cb752b0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427132637.01db7c50@127.0.0.1> <001f01c669f7$6cb752b0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:04:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44514E15.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 13:38 27/04/2006, you wrote: >While I agree about the clashing metals - I do not about "just >because those who could afford portraits wore it so it could not >possibly be the other" theory...this is the time that lays the >foundation for the middleclasses of the 17th & 18th century - I just >wish Elizabethans had cameras....But if you are dressing your >husband in the clothing of the portrait class - never mind. Have fun >at the event - we are not all stuck-up-boobs as this rule about the >chain implies. > >Middleclass Elizabethan in the SCA > >Sarah Thank you for that, Sarah. As my clothing is the sort worn by the lower/middle ranks of people at court - owing to the previous events I have attended - it seemed the best solution to dressing my husband was to dress him to match. We already had a pair of rather theatrical breeches and boots - not Venetians, I'm afraid - but if covered with a jerkin with long enough skirts, they will "do". (He has a natural peascod!) I really can't afford time to make the "real thing" and as he is unlikely to attend any other events, I don't feel the need. I really am looking forward to it - it's far more interesting trying to work out "our costumes" than doing real work, and I will enjoy it no matter what, but all the helps means that I should not break too many rules. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:05:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN5fuo001515 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:05:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RN5Wws024391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:05:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN4uMp075963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN4s8O078429; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RGFaV8091733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.127.62] (209-148-127-62.arc16.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.127.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3RGFYBr022021 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:15:35 -0700 Message-ID: <4450EE28.6070802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:15:36 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. 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Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >I just got the book 17th and > 18th century mens fashions and patterns cut, wich is highly apreciated, > with many many ideas to make, What is the formal title of this book, the author, and publisher (so I can buy it if I don't have it)? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:06:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN63M2001520 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RN5s3x026074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN5D56076057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN5BKM078765; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RHS1lh066965 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 45410 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2006 17:27:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4ZNVf7x6Cc2Rit/5Jx7CDui4S4b1mEL5Qu4eqpXhTrt2xPGJ2R9U0SL9RkFX00TLXO652tkbnJfueb5GpoGzUFYZYmVSdbq2efJWBR96foyzuPQ4nMGfg1rnIakHQ3n3pI5+5Ns/ctA/2FBCvlu0g2h+CNEpB/F6m/Gv4PW9lxo= ; Message-ID: <20060427172755.45408.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:27:55 BST Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:27:55 +0100 (BST) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Jane Malcolm-Davies on Radio discussion programme. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:05:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44514E52.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear List Jane Malcolm Davies, co-author of "Tudor Tailor" was on a radio show in the UK yesterday, briefly discussing the book, the research behind the book and the origins of her passion for costume and particularly the Tudors. You can hear it again here by clicking "listen to most recent programme". http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/midweek.shtml If that doesn't work, a google on Radio 4, Midweek should bring up the relevant programme site. Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! For Good - Sponsor a London Marathon runner - http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/charity/london-marathon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:06:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN6XvV001539 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RN6OMr026560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN6801076286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN68u1079726; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RIskis053201 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 74042381AC for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:54:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-reply-to: <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44514E70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi, Sorry I haven't paid close attention to this thread. As was suggested attaching a fob or pin to the end of a gold chain will work. A "gold" pocket watch on a neck chain would work. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/CharlesSolier.jpg I am unsure as to the country you are portraying though I get the impression from the subject heading that it probably is English Tudor. If so, most portraits I have seen do not have neck jewelry so therefore I am curious on the need for it or better yet would love to see the portraits so that I can add to my knowledge. If the costume is Landsknecht then things are a bit clearer to me. :) (SCA) There is a sumptuary law pertaining to plain gold chains being reserved for knights, along with white belts and in some Kingdoms, spurs. There are various Kingdoms with slightly different sumptuary laws. Some kingdoms reserve plain silver chains for Squires. Some Kingdoms do not allow the wearing of circlets unless you have an AoA (award of arms) or the circlet can be only be so wide, unadorned, no pearls..etc. You might want to review the sumptuary laws of the Kingdom that you are visiting but it is not a "have too". Majority of SCA people are courteous, what was being noted was that there are an occasional boob who does not make sure that their brain is in gear before engaging mouth and therefore you may have one such approach you/husband. (You may also get one who will be concerned that you will meet the boob and try to forewarn you that "such and such" an item may get a reaction from certain people) The boob is assuming that you are in the SCA and when finding out you are visitors then they "should" leave the subject of the chain alone and either walk away or hopefully be a good guest and see if there is anything that they can do to help. All that person can do (should do) is suggest that you might want to remove the chain but you do not have to do so. A note that in many cases, of the few cases of rebuke for wearing "such and such" comes from people who do not know that their sumptuary laws are not the only ones (also it confuses them and people don't like to be confused). And though I believe that when visiting another Kingdom to have some consideration for their customs and laws, I am a visitor and not a resident and therefore am not obliged to wear or not wear according to their laws. In other words, I will be courteous and considerate of the Kingdom I am visiting and will conform to those laws and customs that will truly cause a brouhaha in wearing or doing it but other then that, if it is in accordance to my Kingdoms laws and custom which I am accustom too, then I will wear it. Hope this makes some sense and hoped it would ease any concerns or worries you may have had. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:06:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN6ikb001542 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RN6Zm2030671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN6KeZ076331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RN6JmN079916; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.areatech.com [216.106.88.186] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RJdFWt096628 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0847E3679F for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:39:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:39:10 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005901c66a02$9efb8380$e3bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.142]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:06:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44514E7B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From this wording it sounds as if you are recommending the "S" linked collar. If so, I would say that the "S" linked collar denoted position/office in Tudor and Renaissance England. Therefore it should not be worn. De -----Original Message----- I'd think the gentleman in question would *probably* be okay with his gold chain, especially if he went with a style that wasn't simple gold links--maybe a Lancastrian collar (aren't those the ones with the "s" shape?)?? --Sue in Montana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:18:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNIWqm002068 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:18:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RNIO6L008944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNFQuT077616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNFO48088409; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNExIH088046 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 65C80339EF for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:14:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:18:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44515140.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO correction:"good host(ess)" -----Original Message----- or hopefully be a good guest _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:28:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNS35H002287 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:28:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RNRtJ4014697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:27:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNPnjB078859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNPmpU097547; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RNPfG4097354 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42596 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2006 23:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2006 23:25:35 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060428002112.01e1a528@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:25:38 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: References: <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:27:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451537B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:54 27/04/2006, you wrote: >Suzi, >Sorry I haven't paid close attention to this thread. >As was suggested attaching a fob or pin to the end of a gold chain will >work. >A "gold" pocket watch on a neck chain would work. >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/CharlesSolier.jpg > >I am unsure as to the country you are portraying though I get the impression >from the subject heading that it probably is English Tudor. If so, most >portraits I have seen do not have neck jewelry so therefore I am curious on >the need for it or better yet would love to see the portraits so that I can >add to my knowledge. >If the costume is Landsknecht then things are a bit clearer to me. :) >(SCA) There is a sumptuary law pertaining to plain gold chains being >reserved for knights, along with white belts and in some Kingdoms, spurs. >There are various Kingdoms with slightly different sumptuary laws. Some >kingdoms reserve plain silver chains for Squires. Some Kingdoms do not allow >the wearing of circlets unless you have an AoA (award of arms) or the >circlet can be only be so wide, unadorned, no pearls..etc. >You might want to review the sumptuary laws of the Kingdom that you are >visiting but it is not a "have too". >Majority of SCA people are courteous, what was being noted was that there >are an occasional boob who does not make sure that their brain is in gear >before engaging mouth and therefore you may have one such approach >you/husband. (You may also get one who will be concerned that you will meet >the boob and try to forewarn you that "such and such" an item may get a >reaction from certain people) The boob is assuming that you are in the SCA >and when finding out you are visitors then they "should" leave the subject >of the chain alone and either walk away or hopefully be a good guest and see >if there is anything that they can do to help. All that person can do >(should do) is suggest that you might want to remove the chain but you do >not have to do so. >A note that in many cases, of the few cases of rebuke for wearing "such and >such" comes from people who do not know that their sumptuary laws are not >the only ones (also it confuses them and people don't like to be confused). >And though I believe that when visiting another Kingdom to have some >consideration for their customs and laws, I am a visitor and not a resident >and therefore am not obliged to wear or not wear according to their laws. >In other words, I will be courteous and considerate of the Kingdom I am >visiting and will conform to those laws and customs that will truly cause a >brouhaha in wearing or doing it but other then that, if it is in accordance >to my Kingdoms laws and custom which I am accustom too, then I will wear it. >Hope this makes some sense and hoped it would ease any concerns or worries >you may have had. >De I have various pictures of men wearing chains and jewels on ribbons but not on-line. I can mail you a couple privately if you want. It is possible they may not all be English - I just have a mind's eye picture of what I want the DH to look like! However, we have solved the problem as far as the particular event we are attending, thanks to my hostess asking the local seneschal. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:28:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNSaRJ002313 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:28:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RNSSeQ029727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:28:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNQiHM078942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNQa7u098220; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNQV4L098160 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.86.37] (helo=[192.168.0.6]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FZFsU-0000wv-CR for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:26:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:25:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc44fd87cd1e4bb9573b0c739ee2b1d608350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.86.37 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DaVinci Code & Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:28:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4451539C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:58 AM -0700 4/27/06, Onaree Berard wrote: >Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. He has repeatedly asserted that although the main characters and the specific plot involving them are fictitious, the background "history" is true (not only the marriage and offspring of Mary Magdalene and Jesus, but the two millennia long competing conspiracies to cover up and to preserve this "knowledge", including the "Priory of Sion", the supposed clues in artwork, etc.) >I listened to the unabridged audio book and it seemed like an author >who took some facts, some legends, a few other theories.... tweeked to >taste and shook well to create an interesting *story*. He explicitly claims -- in both interviews and also in text published in the book with the text of the novel -- as "facts" things that are not only not facts, but demonstrably untrue, and generally by various means actively encourages people to believe that what is presented in the novel as history/facts are indeed history/facts. >I couldn't figure out why so many people were trying to prove/debunk it. Because so many other people are believing things are true based on having read it in a novel. >To me it was like trying to prove/debunk Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes. If everyone treated it like it was Tarzan -- or rather, if everyone treated it like it was Star Wars -- no one would bother trying to debunk it. But people aren't treating it like Star Wars, they're treating it like a history book, with the sole exception of the immediate plot and its main characters. That is, things Brown presents in the novel as "history" many people are believing as history. They're using a novel as if it were a source of reliable historical information. Thus, the need for debunking, to clearly demonstrate that novels are novels, not reliable history books. Now, Brown would be blameless in this -- like George Lucus is blameless for those few who really think there is a galaxy far, far away where Ewoks lived -- if he didn't himself actively encourage people to misuse his novel by claiming the "history" in it really is true. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 19:37:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNbt8q002512 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:37:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3RNblrX028132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:37:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNUss3079355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3RNUrLG002059; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3RNUnk8001912 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCFCW9EALE947S for (sender ); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LNZH2FAJ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:29:29 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:22:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Message-ID: <20060427.162840.3936.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 13:6:605253622 X-MAIL-INFO: 592efb83fbba873fba87ef3787ef9e1b27b37bbb7f23b38fe72a7f0e8fd34e478f434b2f2e3a2ea7cfefe3872e37 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqO4KFzsunto37nZoeKFICo= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:37:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445155CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi, the clothes you are making sound wonderful. Have a great time, and if someone gives you guff, just remember that such an individual is not behaving up to the standards of courteous and honorable behavior of the SCA. Any chance you'll be posting pictures? Arlys > Thank you for that, Sarah. As my clothing is the sort worn by the > lower/middle ranks of people at court - owing to the previous events > > I have attended - it seemed the best solution to dressing my husband > > was to dress him to match. We already had a pair of rather > theatrical > breeches and boots - not Venetians, I'm afraid - but if covered with > > a jerkin with long enough skirts, they will "do". (He has a natural > peascod!) I really can't afford time to make the "real thing" and as > > he is unlikely to attend any other events, I don't feel the need. > > I really am looking forward to it - it's far more interesting trying > > to work out "our costumes" than doing real work, and I will enjoy it > > no matter what, but all the helps means that I should not break too > many rules. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 20:34:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S0YA6e004151 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:34:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S0Y2B2012642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:34:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S0WIJr086277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:32:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S0W8Bn051780; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S0Va3U051406 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 18:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060428003130.JPLZ26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:31:30 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:31:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20060427.162840.3936.2.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZqUrMFPSu4pdOkTLW4MFzokL/sjwACCPAw Message-Id: <20060428003130.JPLZ26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:34:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445162FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh Yes!! There will definitely be pictures. I wouldn't miss this chance for all the tea in China! Anne (the previously mentioned "hostess") -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.0/325 - Release Date: 4/26/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 21:49:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S1mxht006453 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:49:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S1moTM028425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:48:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S1mNlQ093243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:48:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S1mBF8012077; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S1m8Zc011916 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m140.in-tch.com [216.166.191.140]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3S1cXA28192 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <008801c66a66$d3f9a6c0$8cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:55:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:48:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44517482.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We're not talking historical sumptuary restrictions in this case, we're talking SCA sumptuary restrictions. If I were wearing a given outfit in front of someone actually *from* that time period, I'd be concerned. And I'd want documentation on the association of "s" links and position/office.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: RE: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery > >From this wording it sounds as if you are recommending the "S" linked > collar. If so, I would say that the "S" linked collar denoted > position/office in Tudor and Renaissance England. Therefore it should not be > worn. > De > > -----Original Message----- > I'd think the gentleman in question would *probably* be okay with his gold > chain, especially if he went with a style that wasn't > simple gold links--maybe a Lancastrian collar (aren't those the ones with > the "s" shape?)?? > --Sue in Montana > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 22:13:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2DsDl007119 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:13:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S2Djfs023209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:13:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2DIT0096215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2DEPR032394; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2D8hI032325 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1523165wra for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G+oXp+b3VijneNDewkN7Xr8Qmf3RzRWfnwOcF6r7m+mb0cRij0BVJEVrR3fcqAWbLgHDcdQBNPY/AtrHo4dSxBqyXsbKvcN+dMmxcC8LqlfX850GKv7hYRSLIvg9dp24vje4lM663CBoi86/Qw7lsziGE6yHMwnWbOF6jUcKLdE= Received: by 10.54.156.10 with SMTP id d10mr38296wre; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.130.12 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:13:07 -0700 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3S2D8hI032325 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: DaVinci Code & Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:13:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44517A59.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you. I was unware of this info. I read the book because someone else read it and said that it was good. I just took the *facts* like I did the *classified* documents in Andromadea Strain. Thanks Onaree On 4/27/06, Sharon L. Krossa wrote: Lots of good info that I have snipped for length. -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 22:33:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2X9v3007354 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:33:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S2X0W2007209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:33:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2Wku5099116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2WjTF049258; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S2WfUq049137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3S4L1AA018505 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:21:01 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:40:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <02ba01c66977$bba11a80$9400a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <02ba01c66977$bba11a80$9400a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604272140.16615.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44517EDC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wednesday 26 April 2006 5:23 pm, E House wrote: > Wait, what is MCT? > > There's so many new & interesting books out lately, I've lost track... can > anyone give me (off-list or on) a quick list of them? Both those that are > out and those that are coming soon? Can you be more specific? There are recently published (and to be published) books regarding different costuming periods. Similarly, some of the interesting books were published last year--is that "lately" enough, in your opinion? I can certainly come up with a list, but I'd probably forget some of the 16th C ones as they are less interesting to me personally. On the other hand, you may not care about some of the Migration Era/Anglo-Saxon/Viking era books I just bought, or am currently lusting after. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 23:15:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3FGLA008178 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:15:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S3F6TL004669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:15:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3EgS0004150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3Eb2T082904; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:14:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3S3EWlW082799 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 83398 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 03:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.117 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2006 03:14:26 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060428041331.01dae940@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:14:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery In-Reply-To: <20060427.162840.3936.2.Cley@juno.com> References: <20060427.162840.3936.2.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445188BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 00:22 28/04/2006, you wrote: >Suzi, the clothes you are making sound wonderful. Have a great time, and >if someone gives you guff, just remember that such an individual is not >behaving up to the standards of courteous and honorable behavior of the >SCA. > >Any chance you'll be posting pictures? I might of the DH - not so sure about me - maybe of the costume. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 27 23:36:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3a97O008459 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:36:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S3a16j016905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3Zmw6005766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3ZkQK098936; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S3ZgcR098828 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060428033536.XZYC25461.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:35:36 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.154.133.198]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060428033535.RIIR11236.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:35:35 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.5.1/326]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:35:43 +1200 Message-ID: <041501c66a74$d4518260$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: French and Spanish headdresses Re: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:35:41 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44518DA1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I also worried about the headdress for my Valois gown as it was extremely >> decorative and could look like I was assuming status I don't have as a >> Pointy Hatted person. But it was far enough on the back of my head to not >> look like a circle or coronet at all. > If you are talking about this headdress, > http://www.marileecody.com/isabel.jpg > I don't see how it could be mistaken for a circlet or coronet. From my > understanding, this is an elaborate French hood. Some think of is a > Renaissance pillbox hat. There is a nice close up of her head in bildindex. I can't find it which is extremely annoying. I'm sure someone posted it from here.... Or was it that I had a close up of her head froma book.... It's the Anguissola portrait of her I was recreating: http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/isabeldevalois.htm Actually there is a lot of misunderstanding about these headdresses. There are indeed "pillbox" hats (you see them in some side on portraits, others have done more research though) but there are also a great many headdresses that are essentially jewellery that is matched to the carcanet and any other jewellery around the neck/chest region. If you look at the close ups of her head in the orange gown you can see hair. You can also see this in the image from Sotheby's at the top of the page from her time in France. I just found a nice light image of the Coello painting of Isabel's daughter: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/sp00113g10a.jpg You can see her hair behind the pearls which shows more hair dressing. Clouet's portraits are great for seeing more of the jewelled headdresses: http://cgfa.sunsite.dk/c/p-clouet5.htm http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Fran%C3%A7ois_Clouet_003.jpg This is really similar to Elizabeth de Valois arrangement in the Orange gown, with a flat almost lattice on the head and the hair arranged behind. http://www.abcgallery.com/C/clouet/frclouet1.html This is a really bad example, someone has coloured over the original sketch which is quite different. You can see in the painting of her she is wearing a white gown with silver couching and no hat in her hair: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_de_France_(1553-1615) http://expositions.bnf.fr/renais/grand/071bis.htm This looks to be the same lattice type of arrangement. http://lionel.mesnard.free.fr/le%20site/4-2-paris-renaissance-2.html http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=AUTR&VALUE_1=CLOUET%20François&DOM=All&REL_SPECIFIC=1&IMAGE_ONLY=CHECKED http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde/0042/m505204_02de4510_p.jpg JEANNE D'ALBRET, REINE DE NAVARRE Lot's of hair wrappng and jewels on the far back (what there is behind that.. who knows) http://www.artnet.com/PDB/PublicLotDetails.aspx?lot_id=424319628&page=1 Funny what you find.. this is just nifty so I'm popping it on the end here;) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 27/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 00:58:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S4vxcE009319 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:58:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S4vmv5020888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:57:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S4vVN2012982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S4vRwM060485; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S4vM8C060422 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F10433E52 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:57:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:57:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <041501c66a74$d4518260$0301010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: French and Spanish headdresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:57:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451A0CC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wonder if the head jewelry is what evolved from the French hood. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 01:18:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5IQP3009604 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:18:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S5IHJm001752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:18:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5I3Hj014289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5HxM7074419; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5HuKs074388 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:17:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D980C33E52 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:17:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewelery Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:18:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008801c66a66$d3f9a6c0$8cbfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:18:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451A599.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Let me go look this up. I do know that Thomas More wore an "S" collar and he was chancellor of England. http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/h/holbein/hans_y/1528/4more.html Please note that I said "should not" not "could not". The former implies a choice. Even though the discussion is about a plain gold chain and SCA, I had gotten the impression that the woman was from Europe and had intended that the piece of jewelry would be worn there. If so, and the gentleman is wearing a collar of state this may run him into trouble. De -----Original Message----- We're not talking historical sumptuary restrictions in this case, we're talking SCA sumptuary restrictions. If I were wearing a given outfit in front of someone actually *from* that time period, I'd be concerned. And I'd want documentation on the association of "s" links and position/office.... --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 01:30:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5UaML009730 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:30:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S5USFr008240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:30:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5UFpl014993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:30:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5UD5n082278; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S5UAoY082159 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m207.in-tch.com [216.166.191.207]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k3S5KZA09983 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000401c66a85$d82f2200$cfbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewelery Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:37:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:30:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451A874.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO mmm...to me, "should not" implies a directive ("Thou shalt not"), and "could not" implies completely impossible (not undesirable or unlikely, but flat-out impossible). Furthermore, just because More shows up in a portrait with a "s" collar, and just because he was Chancellor of England, does not, in fact, mean that the one necessarily is linked with the other (no pun intended). The two things (chancellorship and an "s" collar) have More in common, but one did not necessarily *cause* the other. Proof I'd consider, oh, actual laws or written documents, or a survey of similar portraits in which all holders of high offices and *only* holders of high offices had such a collar, say, like the members of the Order of the Garter or something. Then, you might have a case. Of course, even then that might not prove causality...it may be that it takes a fairly substantially wealthy person to be able to own such a collar, and such men also tend to hold positions of power and responsibility. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: RE: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewelery > Let me go look this up. I do know that Thomas More wore an "S" collar and he > was chancellor of England. > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/h/holbein/hans_y/1528/4more.html > > Please note that I said "should not" not "could not". The former implies a > choice. > Even though the discussion is about a plain gold chain and SCA, I had gotten > the impression that the woman was from Europe and had intended that the > piece of jewelry would be worn there. If so, and the gentleman is wearing a > collar of state this may run him into trouble. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > We're not talking historical sumptuary restrictions in this case, we're > talking SCA sumptuary restrictions. If I were wearing a given > outfit in front of someone actually *from* that time period, I'd be > concerned. And I'd want documentation on the association > of "s" links and position/office.... > --Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 02:13:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6DdmV015025 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:13:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S6DUSI031717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:13:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6DFAN018643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6DAqF011885; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6D5dV011775 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060428061256.TKLE11507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:12:56 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.154.133.198]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060428061255.TJJR12918.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:12:55 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.5.1/326]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:13:01 +1200 Message-ID: <042f01c66a8a$cd7f4920$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: French and Spanish headdresses Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:13:01 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:13:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451B28A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I wonder if the head jewelry is what evolved from the French hood. It's entirely possible it's related to the billments seen on the edge of a french hood. I haven't noted how early it appear in Spain as the arrangement also appears over there. Maria of Austria has a similar arrangement but is worn over a style of headdress peculiar to the region and time. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 27/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 02:17:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6Hh4U016542 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:17:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S6HYaP004617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6FFb1018776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6FFAj013293; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6FAqF013235 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 93EB436B16 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:15:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 01:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c66a85$d82f2200$cfbfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] collars of state and "S" link X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451B37E.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Most of my info is gleaned from conversations from individuals who would know such things. I have sent an email to a friend who is a part of the White Lion Society, who can give me the information as to whether I was correct in identifying the "S" link or not. This may take a bit of time for a reply. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 02:19:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6JNap017158 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:19:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S6JEki019738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:19:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6InBB018998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6Innb015760; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S6IifZ015634 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 00:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.194]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060428061838.UEEW4215.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:18:38 +1200 Received: from michaela ([222.154.133.198]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060428061837.WSEA28130.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:18:37 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.385 [268.5.1/326]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:18:46 +1200 Message-ID: <043501c66a8b$9b1179d0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c66a85$d82f2200$cfbfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: SCA sumptuary laws Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewelery Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:18:46 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:19:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4451B3E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > We're not talking historical sumptuary restrictions in this case, we're > > talking SCA sumptuary restrictions. I'm not sure, but there may be some who assume you had sworn fealty to the Crown as they are given in token of such a thing. Then again, all s's should keep you save, it's the f's you need to worry about;) Again, it's down to what's written as 'law' (in game, not the real world) what is custom, and how much you are willing to just go out there and do your thing. I have a belt of S's in silver which I put together to make an item similar to a chain of office. I've gone later in the century (1560s) so it's not really suitable for my German Garb any more;) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 27/04/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 05:21:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9LKZ2026165 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:21:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S9LAPs026372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:21:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9Jjjk049747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9JeK7043344; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9JaL2043286 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5590.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.144]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D86DA5008A for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:19:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c66aa4$e6a34b80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c669fb$cecd32e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <33a78bfb0604270622g35def7fmc31d6f2f92d4de1f@mail.gmail.com><001401c66a14$8eb11d20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <4450EE28.6070802@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:19:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:21:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451DE87.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Fran, Oh yes if you dont have this, you will love it, full of drawings two of rare examples of clothing. Mens 17th & 18th Century Costume, Cut & Fashion Patterns for Men´s Costumes. R.I. Davis Players Press. ISBN 0-88734-637-5 Many greetings......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >>I just got the book 17th and 18th century mens fashions and patterns cut, >>wich is highly apreciated, with many many ideas to make, > > > What is the formal title of this book, the author, and publisher (so I can > buy it if I don't have it)? > > Thanks, > Fran > > Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 05:28:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9SlUJ027603 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:28:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3S9ScCe032019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9SGYg050329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9SFSq048644; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3S9SB9H048522 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5590.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.144]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 41BEFFAC05B for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:28:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c66aa6$1b20fd20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:28:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Libertine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:28:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451E046.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called "The Libertine" Have any here seen it? What period is it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 06:07:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SA7l56000909 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:07:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SA7dOD022046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:07:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SA7RRW052563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SA7PDI075487; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SA7MHv075452 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F73F36861 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:07:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Libertine Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:07:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000a01c66aa6$1b20fd20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:07:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4451E96B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. -----Original Message----- Hi, I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called "The Libertine" Have any here seen it? What period is it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 08:06:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SC5wn5014824 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:06:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SC5nSL003728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:05:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SC5WUr064055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SC5PJo064299; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SC5Kgr064169 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4F90228; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:05:13 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.155 ([209.131.80.155] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 28 Apr 2006 08:05:00 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c66abc$5ca12b60$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] DaVinci Code & Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:07:44 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452051D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't read said book of this discussion, but I have read "The Last Temptation of Christ" (by Nicholas Katzenzakis)>There seem to be some parallel bits especially about Christ's relationship with Mary Magdalene. When this book was published it was banned by the Church and was horrific to many. With all the hype the DVC is getting I pause to wonder why the alternate theory of History is making such waves now. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon L. Krossa" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] DaVinci Code & Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) > At 10:58 AM -0700 4/27/06, Onaree Berard wrote: > >Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. > > He has repeatedly asserted that although the main characters and the > specific plot involving them are fictitious, the background "history" > is true (not only the marriage and offspring of Mary Magdalene and > Jesus, but the two millennia long competing conspiracies to cover up > and to preserve this "knowledge", including the "Priory of Sion", > the supposed clues in artwork, etc.) > > >I listened to the unabridged audio book and it seemed like an author > >who took some facts, some legends, a few other theories.... tweeked to > >taste and shook well to create an interesting *story*. > > He explicitly claims -- in both interviews and also in text published > in the book with the text of the novel -- as "facts" things that are > not only not facts, but demonstrably untrue, and generally by various > means actively encourages people to believe that what is presented in > the novel as history/facts are indeed history/facts. > > >I couldn't figure out why so many people were trying to prove/debunk it. > > Because so many other people are believing things are true based on > having read it in a novel. > > >To me it was like trying to prove/debunk Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes. > > If everyone treated it like it was Tarzan -- or rather, if everyone > treated it like it was Star Wars -- no one would bother trying to > debunk it. But people aren't treating it like Star Wars, they're > treating it like a history book, with the sole exception of the > immediate plot and its main characters. That is, things Brown > presents in the novel as "history" many people are believing as > history. They're using a novel as if it were a source of reliable > historical information. Thus, the need for debunking, to clearly > demonstrate that novels are novels, not reliable history books. > > Now, Brown would be blameless in this -- like George Lucus is > blameless for those few who really think there is a galaxy far, far > away where Ewoks lived -- if he didn't himself actively encourage > people to misuse his novel by claiming the "history" in it really is > true. > > Sharon > -- > Sharon Krossa, skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org > Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: > Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 08:16:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCGl1r014985 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:16:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SCGcV2009103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:16:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCG5R7064720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCG2BX072792; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCG1ZW072762 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r28so1909823nza for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Dpsi6WnX87obMUUyjDoVRCaI3ZGNBuf/3oYGADcBwm7LsEE8UaZ8ysf10OqdK8m6yVzkeQCGZ704Vz/oslJxhxGZpFvIPLl/1+1l2/zfmasttLN/Ms8DrjDUYHI0blEb6yO5dC51guuw2BVXlybNf8dCN7YT/kkyvYvEGP3IuRk= Received: by 10.64.233.2 with SMTP id f2mr2810073qbh; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.40.6 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660604280515u389e00dfqd580992512d5fd49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:15:59 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Libertine In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01c66aa6$1b20fd20$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3SCG1ZW072762 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:16:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445207A6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have seen it. It is not having a wide distribution, look for it at an "art" theater. I'm not qulaified to comment on the costuming its outside of my realm of comfort. But the overall feel of the movie was muddy. Interesting film. Not so much IMO a story of sensuality, as a story of how a man wasted his talents. Mari On 4/28/06, otsisto wrote: > Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King > Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. > It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 08:54:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCsxCE015528 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:54:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SCsoWp007625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:54:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCsYLT067728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCsUh7003446; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SCsQQj003385 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2FC8E656 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:54:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-120-182.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-120-182.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.120.182]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:54:23 +1000 Message-ID: <1146228863.4452107fdbbf2@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:54:23 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] DaVinci Code & Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) References: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> <003c01c66abc$5ca12b60$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <003c01c66abc$5ca12b60$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:54:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452109A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I haven't read said book of this discussion, but I have read "The Last > > >Just curious, when did Dan Brown claim to DaVinci Code was true. I did read the Da Vinci Code, not a bad airport novel but too wound up in it's own mythology, I thought. The Jesus-had-decendants theory has been around for years and was most prominently layed out in Holy Blood, Holy Grail byt Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, subject of the recent copyright lawsuit with Brown. Well worth a read and includes report of an interview the authors had with the alleged direct decendant of Jesus and Magdaline. Fir my money, 24 hours in the Vatican Library and the chance to read the 5 "missing" Gospels would be fun, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 09:30:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDU97F016059 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:30:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SDU0hS002289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDTU4J071822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDTKwe032232; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDTHJO032105 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:29:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060428132911.OJBO26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:29:11 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery resolved Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:29:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcZqLSmPvvEGqvyqTsOCKJei9xve7wAmmJUQ In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427192904.01e13a20@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-Id: <20060428132911.OJBO26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:30:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445218D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >it, and looks quite impressive.) I have one or two other >medallion/pendant type things I will take just in case, but the best >bit? Thanks to the jewel box, I don't have to spend any money!! And not spending any money is always great!! Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO http://www.artnet.com/PDB/PublicLotDetails.aspx?lot_id=424319628&page=1 Funny what you find.. this is just nifty so I'm popping it on the end here;) Michaela de Bruce ====================================== To many temptations for one morning!!!! Thanks Michaela :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 09:36:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDaLr4016153 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:36:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SDaDxf007333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:36:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDYjLR072485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDYgHB036354; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDYc45036306 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=YDlNdaWsRkiIOZBt4t374D0lMa1q2WL7VY7wVdU9xzpl8itKlrQgK0klz25LujHN; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.25] (helo=mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FZT7F-00033x-Qx for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Received: from 12.39.255.223 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:34:37 -0400 Message-ID: <28198648.1146231277727.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:34:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Libertine Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4e3a94156c4bf8e648fd153faeccf7c25387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:36:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44521A4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't seen it--it was at a nearby megaplex but stayed only a week--of course I WILL, if only to see Johnny Depp in full Restoration rig! As to Wilmot having wasted his talents, though, I have to object: there's that hugely obscene play he wrote, and then of course he's part of the original circle of CRIBBAGE-players (was it John Suckling who invented it for the pleasure of Charles, or did John Wilmot himself invent it? can't recall). Cribbage got me through grad school and was the vehicle for my meeting some really great lobstermen one night in a Boothbay Harbor bar.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Marie Stewart >Sent: Apr 28, 2006 8:15 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Libertine > >I have seen it. It is not having a wide distribution, look for it >at an "art" theater. I'm not qulaified to comment on the costuming >its outside of my realm of comfort. But the overall feel of the movie >was muddy. Interesting film. Not so much IMO a story of sensuality, >as a story of how a man wasted his talents. > >Mari > >On 4/28/06, otsisto wrote: >> Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King >> Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. >> It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 09:37:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDbTFP016176 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:37:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SDbLN8020648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:37:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDZqN4072640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDZqLj037261; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDZnYw037157 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter61.comcast.net ([204.127.205.161]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060428133538013001am3ve>; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:35:43 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.28] by smailcenter61.comcast.net; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:35:37 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Libertine Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:35:37 +0000 Message-Id: <042820061335.22843.44521A290007179E0000593B2205884484CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:37:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44521A91.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw it a few weekends ago. Alot more sexually graphic than I was expecting (a older couple ended up walking out!) but I loved the movie. Johnny Deep once again gave a fantastic performance and oh the costumes! They were great!! XxX, Traci -------------- Original message -------------- From: "otsisto" > Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King > Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. > It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called "The > Libertine" Have any here seen it? > What period is it? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 09:38:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDctb3016189 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SDckBp009333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcamc072878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcZch039462; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcW57039339 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3de.faae17 (16110) for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-M07 (fwm-m07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.71]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee44521ace2bd; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:22 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8C838E0296EB76E-A78-3508@FWM-M07.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060426152336.01e2f160@127.0.0.1> <002901c66996$af6c9ea0$55daf5dc@user4712b7d135> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427051905.01dd7e68@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427082257.01e28c10@127.0.0.1> <003c01c669f4$ff921be0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427132637.01db7c50@127.0.0.1> <001f01c669f7$6cb752b0$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> <6.2.3.4.0.20060427134822.01e10c50@127.0.0.1> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by FWM-M07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:26 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060427134822.01e10c50@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.71 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44521AE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I have been reading the differing opinions about what to wear. Hadn't thought about the few snobs that I had run into. Usually, no one would hassle you. Especially since you will be new to the group. I have been playing for 3 years and most people have been most kind, even those who would correct something that was "wrong" with my garb. So go out watch, enjoy the event, check out the arts and science, and most of all have fun. Sincerely, theresa -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:50:56 +0100 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery At 13:38 27/04/2006, you wrote: >While I agree about the clashing metals - I do not about "just >because those who could afford portraits wore it so it could not >possibly be the other" theory...this is the time that lays the >foundation for the middleclasses of the 17th & 18th century - I just >wish Elizabethans had cameras....But if you are dressing your >husband in the clothing of the portrait class - never mind. Have fun >at the event - we are not all stuck-up-boobs as this rule about the >chain implies. > >Middleclass Elizabethan in the SCA > >Sarah Thank you for that, Sarah. As my clothing is the sort worn by the lower/middle ranks of people at court - owing to the previous events I have attended - it seemed the best solution to dressing my husband was to dress him to match. We already had a pair of rather theatrical breeches and boots - not Venetians, I'm afraid - but if covered with a jerkin with long enough skirts, they will "do". (He has a natural peascod!) I really can't afford time to make the "real thing" and as he is unlikely to attend any other events, I don't feel the need. I really am looking forward to it - it's far more interesting trying to work out "our costumes" than doing real work, and I will enjoy it no matter what, but all the helps means that I should not break too many rules. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 09:38:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcwlt016190 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SDcnvk006357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcQo8072865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcQPY039324; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDcMOa039206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3SDcHTT008685 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:38:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:38:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <50945.65.117.156.5.1146231497.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <1146228863.4452107fdbbf2@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <200604232344.k3NNir4J062126@net.indra.com> <003c01c66abc$5ca12b60$9b5083d1@rmitchellras> <1146228863.4452107fdbbf2@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:38:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] DaVinci Code & Claims of Truth (was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 358) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=8.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44521AE9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree. And actually, if anyone is in Austin and part of the classics department there is a private library downstairs that has copies of these and many many many other books. Truthfully though, I have the book and the cd. Read it, listened to it. I did not see anywhere in or on the book any reference to him saying this is based on actual facts. He did give credit to other books. Being a student of archeology many years ago I was given access to this library in the classics department and found said books and translations of the dead sea scrolls. I have to admit that at such a young age I lost my faith after reading all of that. I have since found it again because it all comes down to just one thing. But really, if you have any education in this specific area you know, you have to know, that all fiction books of this genera when they say they are based on documentation of the period that yes, it is documentation of the period in question. It is however not making claims that said documentation is the be all and end all of the truth. There are way too many versions of this specific "truth" to claim that there is one that is more real than the next. I mean, come on, there is even a book from the period title .. "The Rape of Eve", it proports to be the tale of how giants were begat. I mean, how many versions of the tale of the 'Necklace' do we have from the period of Marie Antoinette? How many of Queen Elizabeth having children? How many of Queen Mary actually surviving her own beheading? Can we get back to costuming talk now???? Please? :) I want to hear everyone's opinions of HBO's Elizabeth I. Change the subject line if you can answer this question. :) Specifically the opening where she is being undressed. This is the third time in a period film that I have seen the unlayering of clothing. I am interested if someone can give a blow by blow of what was taken off and if it was at all accurate. Chiara On Fri, April 28, 2006 7:54 am, stilskin@netspace.net.au said: > I did read the Da Vinci Code, not a bad airport novel but too wound > up in it's > own mythology, I thought. > > The Jesus-had-decendants theory has been around for years and was > most > prominently layed out in Holy Blood, Holy Grail byt Baigent, Leigh > and Lincoln, > subject of the recent copyright lawsuit with Brown. > > Well worth a read and includes report of an interview the authors > had with the > alleged direct decendant of Jesus and Magdaline. > > Fir my money, 24 hours in the Vatican Library and the chance to read > the > 5 "missing" Gospels would be fun, > > -C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 09:39:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDdgqq016205 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:39:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SDdXtj021379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDdHXU072952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDdH1I040002; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SDdEdE039880 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:39:08 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:38:56 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44521B15.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's patterns (#4315 &4317) to get these made. Sooooo, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? Thanks, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 10:29:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SETFck016983 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:29:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SET6cB008616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:29:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SESaxt078867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SESYbR083663; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SESRBB083488 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.28]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060428142822.PUYP24762.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:28:22 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.28]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060428142821.VKWM21950.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:28:21 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060428092535.0287b050@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:28:18 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200604281007.k3SA7SKq075506@net.indra.com> References: <200604281007.k3SA7SKq075506@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445226B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cathy, I would certainly be interested in your list! Beth At 05:07 AM 4/28/2006, you wrote: >I can certainly come up with a list, but I'd probably forget some of the 16th >C ones as they are less interesting to me personally. On the other hand, you >may not care about some of the Migration Era/Anglo-Saxon/Viking era books I >just bought, or am currently lusting after. :-) >- >Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 10:33:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SEXGZd017038 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SEX7E7011158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SEWU4s079477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SEWPBt087631; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3SEWKvf087471 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCFEK3ZA4LAXR2 for (sender ); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LN25LJZL; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:30:40 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:29:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery Message-ID: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3948130166 X-MAIL-INFO: 591aaa6ad7a30be7a31b0b0a570aee0f57d7fedece2f6fbefebf2b X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgioJrMYEkHw5SjCguh/fhH0= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:33:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445227A3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi, "I'm new" is a great defense. SCA Rules ask only that their members make an *attempt* at period clothing. You've gone well above and beyond that. HUZZAH you! :-D Arlys On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:26 -0400 theresathreadgi@aol.com writes: > Hi, I have been reading the differing opinions about what to wear. > Hadn't thought about the few snobs that I had run into. Usually, no > > one would hassle you. Especially since you will be new to the > group. I > have been playing for 3 years and most people have been most kind, > even > those who would correct something that was "wrong" with my garb. So > go > out watch, enjoy the event, check out the arts and science, and most > of > all have fun. Sincerely, theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 11:16:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SFGW0o017696 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:16:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SFGOZP010813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SFFhCB084577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SFFdeE029340; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:15:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SFFOWT029159 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5590.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.144]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C061E262841 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:15:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002301c66ad6$983259a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:15:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Libertine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:16:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445231C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Many thanks for your replyes of my question about The Libertine. It opens tomorrow, but ill waite til monday and go and watch it. Its one of my favourite periods two. Thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 12:06:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SG6oGs018636 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:06:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SG6f87018665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SG6CPF093153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SG60gC079524; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3SG5p5K079276 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73845 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2006 16:05:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PCxT83mglbxvue7bLUBNnC6eJq/rV1ejuexUlmnlr9FBXg/Th8agUZ19trr7diVYBeIZNoGD1Onb91d2garmWP1oU+JV29l2HdxEsDifmYdZkglEr1gqRXK8vwHEZpieih5MkfPmxlvyAsbvXbGqONmL/GT2sKNTn2jfkEWgZ4E= ; Message-ID: <20060428160539.73843.qmail@web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:05:39 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604250232.k3P2WCIT067815@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44523D91.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes! That is it. Thank you. I love that dress and hope to make one like it - next year -when all the wedding stuff is done and I've had time to breathe and play in some of my other hobbies. Annette M (soon to be T) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:44:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures To: Historical Costume Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Kahlara wrote: > Wow, they were great. Very informative. I am sure she has saved me a > lot of time, frustration and money. I'm glad I put off making my dress > until after I went to the lectures. It also helped me narrow the > period of everyone else's clothing, as most of the women have picked a > variation of the GFD already! I'm so happy to hear this! I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures. The camera hates me and I have become used to that; every professional photographer I've been worked with has commented on it. (And people have been known to blurt out on first meeting, "Wow, you look so much better than your pictures!") As long as I think they aren't misleading about the costumes, though, and they don't break any copyright laws, I'll be happy for you to post them after I've seen them. > Robin - there was one painting you used for reference that depicted > several sleeve types, including a woman kneeling in the background > wearing a dark blue gown with white tippets. What is that > painting/illumination? and is it easily found either online or in a > book somewhere? I had a lot of sleeve examples, but only one I can think of with a kneeling woman with tippets; that would be the April calendar page from the Tres Riches Heures: http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/april.jpg Is that it? I believe this is the latest example, by far, that I've seen of tippets, which were out of fashion by a decade or two at the time of this painting (about 1410-15). It may be that this was a deliberate reference to a known person known to the patron (e.g. an older family member shown in her youth, or someone who had died earlier). I've never seen anyone discuss it, and I suspect that a costume archaism of a generation or less goes unnoticed by most art historians. --Robin --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 12:44:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGiFw9019282 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:44:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SGi6Kt014879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:44:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGh2Ve098064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGh1VA017191; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SEN54L078359 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.15]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IYF00HOYRXFFQH2@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:22:27 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:22:59 -0300 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:22:54 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources To: Historical Costume Message-id: <000901c66acf$3df99860$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:44:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44524656.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wish I was home for you to browse my books, Catherine - for female attire Silk Designs of the Eighteenth Century - Natalie Rothstein ISBN 0-8212-1812-3 comes to mind as well as the V&A Museum's Textile ollection - woven textile design in Britian to 1750 ISBN 1-55859-849-9 but there are many more - "Fashion in Detail" - both "Art of Dress" books... Dang it I have at least a half doz books you could check out - if you have no luck contact me off line and I'll scan some stuff for you Sarah ----- Original Message ----- > It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume > Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he > would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as > possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be > relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume > construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's > patterns (#4315 &4317) to get these made. > > Sooooo, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. > My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone > have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to > get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? > > Thanks, > Catherine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 12:45:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGjDVx019300 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:45:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SGj41v016820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:45:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGiaGE098339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGiXQ3018738; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SF1Rqp014851 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:01:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20060428150113m11005fvune>; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:01:13 +0000 Message-ID: <44522E38.2070208@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:01:12 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Jewellery References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44524690.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, it works very well. Here in An Tir, I've only gotten a few comments, mostly about my husband's lack of non-mundane pants, from humorous, well-meaning people. On the other hand, it seems that, at every event we go to, there is an obligatory cast of characters who look like they aren't even trying! I always make it a point to sit by them and remember, for myself, that some of us approach the SCA from the costuming/clothing angle and some do not. It's a very welcoming place and, in the end, nobody who gives you any crap is really worth listening to. :) -Marie >Suzi, >"I'm new" is a great defense. > >SCA Rules ask only that their members make an *attempt* at period >clothing. You've gone well above and beyond that. HUZZAH you! :-D > >Arlys > >On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:38:26 -0400 theresathreadgi@aol.com writes: > > >>Hi, I have been reading the differing opinions about what to wear. >>Hadn't thought about the few snobs that I had run into. Usually, no >> >>one would hassle you. Especially since you will be new to the >>group. I >>have been playing for 3 years and most people have been most kind, >>even >>those who would correct something that was "wrong" with my garb. So >>go >>out watch, enjoy the event, check out the arts and science, and most >>of >>all have fun. Sincerely, theresa >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 12:45:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGjGtH019302 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:45:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SGj6oV024533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:45:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGiiYi098387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGih2A018926; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SF34B8016623 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5590.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.144]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AF631A50074 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:03:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001001c66ad4$de654e70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:03:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.179]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:45:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44524692.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I would recomend you to get Nathalie Rothstein: Silk Designs of the Eighteenth Century with a complete catalogue. Huge book i have and its one of my favourites. Nest would be Lady of Fashion Barbara Johnsons Albums of Fashions and Styles. I am a little disapointed with this book, as i think the fabrics are rather dull and the colours are very very depressive. The third is on its way to me from Amazon, its Toilles de Joy. Printed linnens from the famous french factory.. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Fabric Resources > It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume > Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he > would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as > possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be > relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume > construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's > patterns (#4315 &4317) to get these made. > > Sooooo, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. > My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone > have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to > get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? > > Thanks, > Catherine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 12:46:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGkDn9019318 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:46:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SGk4mM015431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGjjUW098576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGjhYN019986; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGgvlb017055 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32108 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:17:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:17:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Robin Netherton/GFD and other lectures In-Reply-To: <20060428160539.73843.qmail@web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.178]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:46:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445246CC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Kahlara wrote: > Yes! That is it. Thank you. I love that dress and hope to make one > like it - next year -when all the wedding stuff is done and I've had > time to breathe and play in some of my other hobbies. That manuscript is considered the most beautiful of all medieval manuscripts, and it has many useful costumes in it, as do the others from the same period by the same artists (the Limbourg brothers). When you start that project, it would be worth your looking through all of the Tres Riches Heures and the Belles Heures, to get a sense of your range of options. Mazeltov on your upcoming status change! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 12:57:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGvuf6019574 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:57:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SGvlep023485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGuv2o000458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGgw1n017131; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3SGgbkA016767 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 26216 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 14:41:31 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:41:31 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1045.67.174.246.110.1146234915.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:57:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452498B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > It looks like I will be helping a local community theater costume > Moliere's The Miser. I've worked with this director once before, he > would like a period look and respects my attempts to be as authentic as > possible for the chosen era (18thC) That being said, since I will be > relying on family members of the cast for some of the costume > construction I will probably be resorting to some of Butterick's > patterns (#4315 &4317) to get these made. > > Sooooo, I would like to try to get the fabric as authentic as possible. > My 'eye' however is more trained for 16th C and earlier. Does anyone > have suggestions for a couple of books I could use to browse through to > get a feel for fabrics and patterns for this era? I just picked up the book "Dangerous Liaisons: Fashion and Furniture in the 18th Century" and it has page after page of paintings and real clothing from the time period. It was put out by the Met and (this is the best part) has multiple views of some outfits. Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. The Kyoto costume book (Fashion: The Collection of the Kyoto Costume Institute) also has many examples of real clothing from that time period. And I think that they are having a 25th anniversary sale right now so all the books are even more reasonably priced than normal. If you can borrow or buy this book, it is a great fashion reference for 18th century through the present. Good luck with your project! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 13:01:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SH11xh019622 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:01:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SH0qCp025363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:00:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SH06Bf000933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SH04Xs034295; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:00:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SGxhko034085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 10:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.83] (209-148-120-83.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.83]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k3SGxJ83003545 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:59:33 -0700 Message-ID: <445249D8.50307@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:59:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. 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Status: RO Yes, I have it, but thanks! Fran Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi Fran, > Oh yes if you dont have this, you will love it, full of drawings two of > rare examples of clothing. > Mens 17th & 18th Century Costume, Cut & Fashion Patterns for Men´s > Costumes. R.I. Davis Players Press. > ISBN 0-88734-637-5 > > Many greetings......... > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2006 projekt. > > >> >> >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>> I just got the book 17th and 18th century mens fashions and patterns >>> cut, wich is highly apreciated, with many many ideas to make, >> >> >> >> What is the formal title of this book, the author, and publisher (so I >> can buy it if I don't have it)? >> >> Thanks, >> Fran >> >> Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 14:34:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SIXxZd021121 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:34:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SIXo5L022305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:33:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SIXQGM013040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:33:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SIU1p8020739; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu [169.147.4.11]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SITv2G020597 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:29:51 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:29:37 -0500 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Fabric Resources X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:33:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452600E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you everyone for the references! I remember some discussion about the Dangerous Liasons book but hadn't noted it down at the time. We have a pretty good Interlibrary Loan system so I am going to give it a try first (altho your books are only one of the reasons I wish you still lived around here Sarah :) ). Onward to a new century! 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Status: RO Sharon Wrote: Now, Brown would be blameless in this -- like George Lucas is blameless for those few who really think there is a galaxy far, far away where Ewoks lived -- if he didn't himself actively encourage people to misuse his novel by claiming the "history" in it really is true. ************** But...then he would not sell as many books and make tons of money on the movie and.... What part of this would stop YOU from pushing your book? It is all about the oh might dollar this is his business, so whether Mr. Brown believes or not his hype is selling his book and people are buying it. In 5 years he could recant his words of today...but he would still be a very wealthy man. My husband is reading the book now and has asked me several times about points I know more about, and I have told him it is not what I have studied. It is a fictional book. Sadly it is more a point of our culture that we could go out and actually learn but instead a guy we don't know writes a fictional book and we learn history via it. Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 15:39:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SJdIIZ021990 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:39:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SJd99m004124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SJci7H020885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SJca39084998; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SJcVWn084919 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7EF336A1D for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:38:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Libertine Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <28198648.1146231277727.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:39:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44526F5D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO John Suckling was alleged to have invented cribbage by his biographer. John Wilmot was a part of an "artist" group that was said to be called the Merry Gang. -----Original Message----- I haven't seen it--it was at a nearby megaplex but stayed only a week--of course I WILL, if only to see Johnny Depp in full Restoration rig! As to Wilmot having wasted his talents, though, I have to object: there's that hugely obscene play he wrote, and then of course he's part of the original circle of CRIBBAGE-players (was it John Suckling who invented it for the pleasure of Charles, or did John Wilmot himself invent it? can't recall). Cribbage got me through grad school and was the vehicle for my meeting some really great lobstermen one night in a Boothbay Harbor bar.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 16:34:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKYsH3023682 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:34:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SKYjeI010247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:34:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKS9cb027912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKS60q034853; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKS28j034665 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.20e.152f3032 (3866) for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <20e.152f3032.3183d4c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:27:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: Surprisingly it was only $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through interlibrary loan. Less than $14 on Amazon! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 16:48:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKmHnU023863 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:48:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SKm80A019016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:48:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKlp0c030823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKlldo054307; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SKlQNE054041 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB097A6C37 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:47:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44527F65.3050505@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:47:33 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. 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Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dch@inreach.com writes: > > Surprisingly it was only > $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through > interlibrary loan. > > > > Less than $14 on Amazon! > > Ann Wass Dangerous Liaisons : Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications) Is there a good selection of men's clothing in this book, or is it strictly women's gowns? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 17:04:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SL4Hxo024110 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:04:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SL48Vk028122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SL3khj033161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SL3ejK069567; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SL3aDG069365 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5613A6C3F for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:03:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:03:53 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 17:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44528348.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 18:10:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMAcrS024847 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:10:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SMAUvF028964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMA5ke042183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SM9vS8029783; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SM9oEY029673 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247cb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.203]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C6787A50018 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:09:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002501c66b10$74dd0b50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20e.152f3032.3183d4c6@aol.com> <44527F65.3050505@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. 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Status: RO Hi Dawn, I dont know about this, my copy is on its way. Good book i would recomend with mens fashions is: "Klæder for tid och evighet" by Lena Rangstrøm, swedish, but gorgeous pictures of real mens costumes. Also "Modelejon" ( Fashion Lions) ditto swedish. A good american book with lots of fashionable mens costumes would be: "What Clothes Reveal" from Colonial Williamsburg. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> dch@inreach.com writes: >> >> Surprisingly it was only >> $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through >> interlibrary loan. >> >> >> >> Less than $14 on Amazon! >> Ann Wass > > Dangerous Liaisons : Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century > (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications) > > > Is there a good selection of men's clothing in this book, or is it > strictly women's gowns? > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 18:32:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMW4h6025068 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:32:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SMVtQR007985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:31:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMVY0g045227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMVUQt048824; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3SMVOs2048739 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 14197 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 20:46:47 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:46:47 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <60529.162.119.64.110.1146257236.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20e.152f3032.3183d4c6@aol.com> References: <20e.152f3032.3183d4c6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:31:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445297DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dch@inreach.com writes: > > Surprisingly it was only > $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through > interlibrary loan. > > > > Less than $14 on Amazon! Did ya *HAVE* to tell me that? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 18:44:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMi6nl025185 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:44:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3SMhtvE015487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:44:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMhJPP046539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3SMhEVw059028; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3SMh703058903 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 14715 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2006 21:38:10 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:38:10 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1505.162.119.64.110.1146259912.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <44527F65.3050505@reddawn.net> References: <20e.152f3032.3183d4c6@aol.com> <44527F65.3050505@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fabric Resources for 18th c. From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44529AAB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 4/28/2006 12:44:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> dch@inreach.com writes: >> >> Surprisingly it was only >> $30 but you may also be able to borrow a copy or get it through >> interlibrary loan. >> >> >> >> Less than $14 on Amazon! >> >> Ann Wass > > Dangerous Liaisons : Fashion and Furniture in the Eighteenth Century > (Metropolitan Museum of Art Publications) > > > Is there a good selection of men's clothing in this book, or is it > strictly women's gowns? There are both men's and women's. I don't have it in front of me right now but I know that there was at least 30% men's stuff.... 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Status: RO I have been in for more than 12 years and am finally getting out of the T-tunic and draw-string skirt level. I'm in the middle of making a fitted under kirtle (I have to hand make all those tiny 'buttonholes' for the cord. And I hate hand sewing). And I'm still a little leary of how fitted it is. I know it is SUPPOSED to be fitted, but when you have worn very loose clothing (both mundane and SCAdian) for all your life, a fitted dress feels 'funny'. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: theresathreadgi@aol.com > Hi, I have been reading the differing opinions about what to wear. > > Hadn't thought about the few snobs that I had run into. Usually, > no one would hassle you. Especially since you will be new to the > group. I have been playing for 3 years and most people have been most kind, > even those who would correct something that was "wrong" with my garb. > So go out watch, enjoy the event, check out the arts and science, and > most of all have fun. Sincerely, theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 22:35:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2Zcu9028311 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:35:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3T2ZTUK015659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2Z401069881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2YxQD030579; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2Yv5F030556 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so2962355pyc for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:34:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V9k/ekV2BkXgBeqEqFTf7QaYmTcdDMGDLdq28uC4WMhUxLBYqlDyjZbKIov/g0eVk+5HO8r0ZaFUE0C/SGDomfn3VLMych35o3rva9lMkk4yWbQNMpVwlYJC4VId42+U82aV5QRnZ1BYiXnO2RCQdB2fZ2BG2tAKGEIrLP8nnUI= Received: by 10.35.21.1 with SMTP id y1mr322558pyi; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.17 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604281934k7ad34197m4594956d964a296e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:34:56 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian In-Reply-To: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3T2Yv5F030556 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:35:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452D0F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I love the mid-90's, the skirt on this pattern seems slightly later, like maybe a year or three, than the bodice in shape; but maybe it's just the trim making it look more flared than it actually is. I would recommend, as a similar pattern, perhaps with fewer shortcuts/adaptations for the mass market, the Patterns of History Pattern from the State Historical Society of Wisconsin: http://shop.wisconsinhistory.org/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=22&idproduct=279 It is a nice pattern, I've made it a couple of times. The first time I made it, it was chosen for a set of bridesmaids, but the bride went on vacation before the dresses were made and the maids chose other dresses on their own. The bride did go ahead and have me make one dress for her. Katy On 4/28/06, Dawn wrote: > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 28 22:46:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2kJfl028495 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3T2kB3t022239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2jtMf070980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2jsR0037605; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T2jq8U037586 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1738927wra for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:45:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mkSBjMXXtHtGn/KL9/W89FK5R8xkABzfbG43nUjmInNIzkzzTyLHxvd/r/3WWhyvEKIBnDtNNw52dzkFQ4TPJRQb0N8T3qaiNmy2RlUmFTClE7W683/+ZiN5oKrZEnAW2VlHl8JC3ViJppJjvWQ/bqKCzoXAXflEQ1L8EIJtYzU= Received: by 10.54.146.7 with SMTP id t7mr1508922wrd; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.130.12 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:45:52 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3T2jq8U037586 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:46:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452D373.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is it me or are the sleeves -- droopy? Weren't the leg-o-mutton (I think that was the term for really large puffs on the sleeves with it going tight on the rest of the arm) puffs on the sleeves padded or stiffened and came about level with the woman's ears? Onaree On 4/28/06, Dawn wrote: > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > > > > Dawn -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 00:04:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T44IGm030375 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:04:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3T449nv030680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:04:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T43keM077738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T43dF7086466; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3T43Zhx086401 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 22:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so2974178pyc for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:03:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pRFFzz4yc1kCOuGMQ5fNNF6KLO6/cwv4EZyVKKCG7/Tr+g2iqcBWe2exG63t80w2MOMf7qwm4lfZK1ukgLtJ/Y0X8MElOxg0PAc3tQpJUi3/pvDKgR1uWU0P2eK6DFTOc1cPK0+bsr4dMwHOTeu5S6M/I7X4Mt4Gc5imKKHJbEo= Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr1679954pyj; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.17 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604282103q55d9257drd0fcba541a3233e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:03:34 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3T43Zhx086401 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4452E5B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One problem that can cause droopy sleeve puffs is that the shoulders might be a little too wide, the sleeves should start more on the shoulder rather than at or after the turn of the shoulder, that helps keep them from drooping. I also wonder if the model's shoulders are sloping or her neck is quite long. One TV show that really got 90's bodices right was The Bramwell series on PBS a few years ago. I am in the process of creating a webpage for 1890's day wear. http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1890d_det.html The page is in its very early stages of construction so it has no descriptions yet and it is not linked on the library menu. The first image, the colored plate, has a green suit which is reminiscent of the Simplicity pattern. It is from 1896. The 1896 skirt seems more A-line and less flared than the Simplicity skirt. But the skirt is not too far off, I'd like to see the shaping of the pattern pieces. Katy On 4/28/06, Onaree Berard wrote: > Is it me or are the sleeves -- droopy? > > Weren't the leg-o-mutton (I think that was the term for really large > puffs on the sleeves with it going tight on the rest of the arm) puffs > on the sleeves padded or stiffened and came about level with the > woman's ears? > > Onaree > > On 4/28/06, Dawn wrote: > > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > > > > > > > > Dawn > > -- > Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. 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Status: RO In a message dated 4/29/2006 12:04:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, katybishop64@gmail.com writes: One problem that can cause droopy sleeve puffs is that the shoulders might be a little too wide, the sleeves should start more on the shoulder rather than at or after the turn of the shoulder, that helps keep them from drooping. ***************** Indeed. Helps distinguish them from the large Gigot sleeves of the 1830s which do spring from off the shoulder. But since photography was off and running even before the 1890s, you can see in photographs all manner of droopy and perky and everything in between in sleeves. There's a fondness for structure in the 1890s...stiff fabrics and heavy trims held up by complex underpinnings. The skirt in the pattern sorta suffers from not being manipulated enough. I can't tell if she even has a petticoat. It seems a little too clingy in the hips and not full enough...things that do indeed start to happen as the decade wears on. In Janet Arnold you see the circular cut of the back of the skirts, achieved in several ways. Sometimes it is a big circle or semicircle cut out as one piece even if the fabric needs piecing to get a large enough width to do so. Sometimes it is gored. This is sewn to a front panel that is shaped to the hips. the whole thing is usually stiffened with something. In Arnold it says buckram....sometimes innerlining the lower half of the front gore and all of the back of the skirt. I've dressed extras in real 1890s stuff where the skirt practically stands on its own. As you move towards the turn of the century, the stiffness starts to wane and you end up at that droopy, flowing silhouette in light fabrics of the 1900s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 09:27:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TDReTc013669 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:27:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3TDRV4I011363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:27:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TDR6c9044909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TDR2vr043591; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TDQxfs043561 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so3055247pyc for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:26:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AihesrCDZNGgpkUAJRRRLvayup+QeaRZQPTgUccL64yIwZVs7vzxSVsRLJyZMFRgFdELwdZaHrUShcVb8bO8baxnAkM+kXGl2VCT5S9kxbUT9lUWrfZMdrwspqM71egJhJvjd32ieDCgv77zIuFjg0Wa/EkswGNCFrzljEqddiM= Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr150614pyl; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.17 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 06:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604290626y28cb202ehb23b07a1f9be71c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:26:58 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian In-Reply-To: <3d3.1ce8c16.31845c6b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <3d3.1ce8c16.31845c6b@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3TDQxfs043561 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:27:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445369C3.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, definitely not enough skirt stiffening for 1895 Katy On 4/29/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/29/2006 12:04:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > katybishop64@gmail.com writes: > > One problem that can cause droopy sleeve puffs is that the shoulders > might be a little too wide, the sleeves should start more on the > shoulder rather than at or after the turn of the shoulder, that helps > keep them from drooping. > > > ***************** > > Indeed. Helps distinguish them from the large Gigot sleeves of the 1830s > which do spring from off the shoulder. But since photography was off and running > even before the 1890s, you can see in photographs all manner of droopy and > perky and everything in between in sleeves. > > There's a fondness for structure in the 1890s...stiff fabrics and heavy > trims held up by complex underpinnings. The skirt in the pattern sorta suffers > from not being manipulated enough. I can't tell if she even has a petticoat. It > seems a little too clingy in the hips and not full enough...things that do > indeed start to happen as the decade wears on. In Janet Arnold you see the > circular cut of the back of the skirts, achieved in several ways. Sometimes it > is a big circle or semicircle cut out as one piece even if the fabric needs > piecing to get a large enough width to do so. Sometimes it is gored. This is > sewn to a front panel that is shaped to the hips. the whole thing is usually > stiffened with something. In Arnold it says buckram....sometimes innerlining > the lower half of the front gore and all of the back of the skirt. I've dressed > extras in real 1890s stuff where the skirt practically stands on its own. > > As you move towards the turn of the century, the stiffness starts to wane > and you end up at that droopy, flowing silhouette in light fabrics of the 1900s. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 12:53:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TGr24B019050 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:53:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3TGqrn8010483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:52:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TGqERP064118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TGqAf0085168; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from thog.systems.wvu.edu (thog.systems.wvu.edu [157.182.232.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TG5MeN051431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by thog.systems.wvu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TG5Gcq019428 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:05:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:05:16 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:05:05 -0400 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: "Historical Costume" , Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Libertine Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 12:52:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445399E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A Johnny Depp film. Yummy Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Beware how you pass judgement on your superiors at least until you know how to put yourself in their place and see from their view." "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." --Frank Herbert Weiner's Law of Libraries: There are no answers, only cross-references. >>> otsisto@socket.net 04/28/06 6:07 AM >>> Story of John Wilmot 2nd Earl of Rochester. Lived at the time of King Charles the second of England. 17th century, Restoration period. It was suppose to have come out in March of 2005 but I must have missed it. -----Original Message----- Hi, I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called "The Libertine" Have any here seen it? What period is it? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 16:34:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKYRNl024847 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:34:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3TKYIof007539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:34:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKXnaI099957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:33:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKXcOj038732; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKXZcf038624 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD9702E4; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:33:27 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 29 Apr 2006 16:33:15 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c66bcc$880d20e0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3d3.1ce8c16.31845c6b@aol.com> <3586f5070604290626y28cb202ehb23b07a1f9be71c0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:36:00 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4453CDCA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree that the skirt is not quite right, and if there are no underpinnings, it will not move right. Re the sleeve, one of the neat antique assessories that I have is a pair of kidney shaped 'pillows' that tie into the sleeve head. These small muslin bags about10"x7' are filled with down. They also appear in the Kyoto book in the underwear section for the first Q of the 19thC. I use them for both the log-o-mutton sleeve as well as this later one with some success of keeping the full sleeve distended as fashion required. Through the years, I have struggled with a variety of methods to preserve the full sleeve when being worn. One (not period, but it works) is to leave or make a smallish slit in the lining at about the elbow and stuff the upper sleeve with netting.This works for taffeta or other lighter weight materials, but if the fabric is heavy, they just won't lift it enough to hold... unless you over stuff it and that will not look right or be comfortable. My little pillows work really well here! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian > Yes, definitely not enough skirt stiffening for 1895 > > Katy > > On 4/29/06, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 4/29/2006 12:04:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > katybishop64@gmail.com writes: > > > > One problem that can cause droopy sleeve puffs is that the shoulders > > might be a little too wide, the sleeves should start more on the > > shoulder rather than at or after the turn of the shoulder, that helps > > keep them from drooping. > > > > > > ***************** > > > > Indeed. Helps distinguish them from the large Gigot sleeves of the 1830s > > which do spring from off the shoulder. But since photography was off and running > > even before the 1890s, you can see in photographs all manner of droopy and > > perky and everything in between in sleeves. > > > > There's a fondness for structure in the 1890s...stiff fabrics and heavy > > trims held up by complex underpinnings. The skirt in the pattern sorta suffers > > from not being manipulated enough. I can't tell if she even has a petticoat. It > > seems a little too clingy in the hips and not full enough...things that do > > indeed start to happen as the decade wears on. In Janet Arnold you see the > > circular cut of the back of the skirts, achieved in several ways. Sometimes it > > is a big circle or semicircle cut out as one piece even if the fabric needs > > piecing to get a large enough width to do so. Sometimes it is gored. This is > > sewn to a front panel that is shaped to the hips. the whole thing is usually > > stiffened with something. In Arnold it says buckram....sometimes innerlining > > the lower half of the front gore and all of the back of the skirt. I've dressed > > extras in real 1890s stuff where the skirt practically stands on its own. > > > > As you move towards the turn of the century, the stiffness starts to wane > > and you end up at that droopy, flowing silhouette in light fabrics of the 1900s. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 16:53:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKrqaJ025419 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:53:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3TKrhEN016884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:53:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKrRkS005737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKrQmi052401; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3TKrMXU052251 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68115 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2006 20:53:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gBe8ljCOA3MJ2znytVpBx2lwNSkMAbKiJa3ZYxWQRGIKlvWXv7RaSo2iuFph84xEPKA/xE+IhBQqi+1M4eoAoQvfOuEsb2S2ugOi0eLk4D4GRtaUTyrOQuKBf/4netVj7pPi2Im/18FTKvvfESE1jiJct6c3yYefRETgvJ5lZq4= ; Message-ID: <20060429205316.68113.qmail@web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.117.71] by web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:53:16 BST Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 21:53:16 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Alternatives To Elizabethan Epaulettes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4453D258.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! Can anyone suggest an alternative to the epaulettes on the 1569 Jean Hunnisett dress? I have managed to make (if only in an old sheet!) a four to five year old size bodice of this dress, though I did end up adapting a Simplicity pattern. I have spent the last three days doing a pattern for the epaulettes, and making three sets, without success. Any help will be much appreciated! All The Best! Jayne Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 16:54:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKs9LX025433 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:54:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3TKs0BP003025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:54:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKqpMR005556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:52:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKqnq0051903; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TKqjjA051794 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A217034C; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:52:39 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 29 Apr 2006 16:52:36 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c66bcf$3c0990e0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:55:21 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 16:54:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4453D268.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is a wonderful version of this style offered by the Wisconsin museum that is based on a garment in their collection. I have made it several times using variations that can be found in the various reprinted catalogues of that time period. I have even made one with the particular collar featured by #4156 (known as the Arum Lily collar). I haven't looked at how the skirt is shaped in the Simplicity pattern. The Wisconsin pattern is basically three gores; The front panel nearly goes from side to side for the hips and the two back panels finish the hip cover and then get pleated toward the center back...with a dart or two. The result is a skirt that swings and swishes at the whim of the wearer. My collection includes several of these suits so I have had a chance to double check the design of the original pattern. Since there are no zippers, there are several interesting variations of finishing the back placket with hooks and eyes judiciously placed to close the skirt but not impede the grace. (Hint, another wonderful use for stray shoulderpads! They are just the size of the bum pads that usually lurked under the back closing...or you can fashion one of matching fabric. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 17:48:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TLmg6h026846 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3TLmXsE006478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:48:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TLm8kf019079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TLm64O091795; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pproxy.gmail.com (pproxy.gmail.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3TLm33S091769 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by pproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c59so3128370pyc for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:48:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VmrA9EASubWyrG1xMdh8YDWcb9TkHx9M1Z1pwsMpyULzTsDU53cpjE8bAP5CvKK6M/pO/3ZYZt8SlPee5J+MKz9J9gLyPhxu0fBRDJ0oIjmAT8XlbDJsVHBPTx1lk5tOrCPrrcZgwlIVLfs8nVpvWreNpjSowc6wdjjcB/a1VtE= Received: by 10.35.112.3 with SMTP id p3mr1321673pym; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.13.17 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 14:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070604291448y75e1ffd3ua5e96889171e4b28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:48:02 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian In-Reply-To: <002101c66bcf$3c0990e0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44528339.5040701@reddawn.net> <002101c66bcf$3c0990e0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3TLm33S091769 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4453DF31.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is also a very similar mid 1890's dress in Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 2", with an applied collar instead of the jacket front. Katy On 4/29/06, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > There is a wonderful version of this style offered by the Wisconsin museum > that is based on a garment in their collection. I have made it several > times using variations that can be found in the various reprinted > catalogues of that time period. I have even made one with the particular > collar featured by #4156 (known as the Arum Lily collar). > > I haven't looked at how the skirt is shaped in the Simplicity pattern. The > Wisconsin pattern is basically three gores; The front panel nearly goes from > side to side for the hips and the two back panels finish the hip cover and > then get pleated toward the center back...with a dart or two. The result is > a skirt that swings and swishes at the whim of the wearer. > > My collection includes several of these suits so I have had a chance to > double check the design of the original pattern. Since there are no zippers, > there are several interesting variations of finishing the back placket with > hooks and eyes judiciously placed to close the skirt but not impede the > grace. (Hint, another wonderful use for stray shoulderpads! They are just > the size of the bum pads that usually lurked under the back closing...or you > can fashion one of matching fabric. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:03 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity 4156 - Victorian > > > > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa > 1895". > > > > > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 29 20:49:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U0nBHr031232 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:49:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U0n2qZ005842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U0mKAP062170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U0m8aD008940; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U0m3wf008875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25273 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fa06e-0002KX-W6 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:48:13 -0500 Message-ID: <052901c66bef$bf07e800$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02ba01c66977$bba11a80$9400a8c0@compaqub> <200604272140.16615.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 19:47:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454097E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > Can you be more specific? There are recently published (and to be > published) > books regarding different costuming periods. Similarly, some of the > interesting books were published last year--is that "lately" enough, in > your > opinion? I'm interested in the 15thC and early 16thC, and it's surprisingly hard to find good books that cover the first quarter of the 16thC in any depth. They all seem to skip right over it so they get to the titillating, off-with-her-head stuff, or to the Elizabethan mess. (I really couldn't care less about England, but I'm resigned to the fact that unless I break down and learn French, I'm not likely to get much other than Tudor stuff for my time period!) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 00:24:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U4O7si003966 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:24:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U4NwOR006814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:24:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U4NMac016308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U4NIxH049096; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U4NE7b049008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3U6BjgO028696 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:11:46 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:31:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604281007.k3SA7SKq075506@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060428092535.0287b050@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060428092535.0287b050@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604292331.01280.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:24:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44543BDE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Friday 28 April 2006 10:28 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Cathy, > > I would certainly be interested in your list! The original poster asked about "recent" stuff, not just upcoming stuff, which was what inspired my comment. You already mentioned the two "upcoming" items on my list--the Rogers book and the book on the Oseberg textiles. Here are some of the (slightly) older, but still "recent" books I was thinking of. (I've bought all of them, too; shows you how much willpower I have.) :-) Dress in Anglo-Saxon England, Revised and Enlarged Edition (Hardcover) by Gale R. Owen-Crocker Publisher: Boydell Press (November 2004) ISBN: 1843830817 Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland (Hardcover) by Else Ostergard, Else Stergard Publisher: Aarhus Universitetsforlag (November 2004) ISBN: 8772889357 Northern Archaeological Textiles, Nesat VII: Textile Symposium in Edinburgh, 5th-7th May 1999 (Hardcover) by Frances Prithchard (Editor), Peter Wild (Editor) Publisher: Oxbow Books Limited (July 2005) ISBN: 1842171623 (which you told me about) Priceless Invention of Humanity - Textiles (NESAT 8) Acta Archaeologica Lodziensia Nr 50/1 edited by Jerzy Maik. Publisher: Instytut Archaeologii I Etnologii Pan. Lodz Poland (2004) (which I think you also told me about) There are other books I'm yearning for, but most of them are out of print, and not remotely recent. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 01:06:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U56xmW005051 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:06:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U56o5s001859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U56Qec026681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U56MJn074531; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U56JRn074490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3U56FN0006093 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:06:18 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:06:43 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <052901c66bef$bf07e800$9400a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:06:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445445EA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm interested in the 15thC and early 16thC, and it's > surprisingly hard to > find good books that cover the first quarter of the 16thC in any depth. > They all seem to skip right over it so they get to the titillating, > off-with-her-head stuff, or to the Elizabethan mess. > > (I really couldn't care less about England, but I'm resigned to the fact > that unless I break down and learn French, I'm not likely to get > much other > than Tudor stuff for my time period!) > > -E House I guess I don't understand the problem as much because I _am_ interested in England :-). Because of this I'm presently immersed in Spanish early 16th Century as well as Holy Roman Empire and some French/Low Countries/Flemish. I got that way because I wanted to understand why Katheryne of Aragon (how she spelled it when she signed things) might have reacted the way she did. This means that I've been delving into Isabella and Ferdinand, Juana called The Mad, Charles V. All her family that shaped her. Then we go to Phillip, Mary of Burgundy, Margaret of Austria, Francis II, Henry II and Diane de Poitiers, Catherine de Medici, Bess of Hardwick (no too late!). Then there is the world of the Italians (Scwarey Stuff!) Halls Chronicles are available on-line at http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=halle& PagePosition=2 Go to the Henry VII and Henry VIII sections and look for names of non-English potentates. How about the Popes and the Medici? Several good books out about Lucretia Borgia and her clan as well as Isabella d'Este and the Sforzas. French: I just finished good books on Francis II, Catherine de Medici, and I'm looking for something on the Guises. The Cardinal's Hat : Money, Ambition, and Everyday Life in the Court of a Borgia Prince. Actually what is interesting is the young man's travel from Italy over the Alps to France and the stay and play in Francis' court. Can't help much when it comes to fiction, since I tend to find it a bit like candy. Love it occasionally, but not the meat and potatoes. If I'm going to buy a book it will be non-fiction. Fiction comes from the Library (unless it is Liadian Universe, then it comes mainline from the publisher :-) Wanda Pease > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 01:47:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U5lYZn005966 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:47:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U5lPaX023167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:47:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U5l5qd036015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U5kxTR097977; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.185] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U5kuR0097939 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l37so1808942nfc for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=J0inpK4tcDIueFt/j5JkwI6VmPUaFhOUAZolI2qv3lqebHXb1qnYysXkaxv753Y3p0YnhpJQN4nk7tA8mr+/8MW74rImvHw1bycz4naSYJiS/e92JHqJLus41V0h08l8+gdsN9rf1/biyscIjiGtueENao3jV7LZiaMQdyLcwuE= Received: by 10.49.18.10 with SMTP id v10mr2469877nfi; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.222.13 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0604292246gdc7b2d4of814204207ca439e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:46:55 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama In-Reply-To: <001801c66911$efa3fca0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003601c668b0$f6d3db50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <444EAAAC.1010808@lavoltapress.com> <001801c66911$efa3fca0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44544F6D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k3U5lYZn005966 Status: RO Bjarne, you've been given many good suggestions. The first 17th Century program I ever saw was one of the earliest Masterpiece Theater (BBC) productions. It was "The First Churchills." This was before I had interest in costuming, so I don't know if the costumes are any good, but I thought it was quite lush at the time. LynnD On 4/26/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi Fran, > Much obliged, that i will do. > Manny thanks > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavolta Press" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama > > > > The Broadway Theatre Archive has DVDs of stage plays--from a variety of > > theaters--from an old TV series. That, they say, is why the images tend > > to be rather fuzzy. The quality of the performances is all over the > map. > > There is a very good "Tartuffe," an awful "School for Scandal," a good > > "The Rivals," an interesting "Taming of the Shrew" done in the commedia > > dell' arte tradition, and a good "Cyrano de Bergerac" set in the 17th > > century. For modern, there's some good Eugene O'Neill if you like to > > spend an evening getting depressed (I call him America's Ibsen), and > some > > good Thornton Wilder. > > > > Search Amazon DVDs for "Broadway Theatre Archive," and you'll see dozens > > more. > > > > Fran > > Lavolta Press > > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Now this topic is up, does any of you know of any good tv plays to buy > on > >> tape or dvd? I remember back some years where i have seen quite many > >> interresting plays or tv dramas from the end of 17th century. I believe > >> it was real old plays from 17th century. There is one special i > remember > >> very well, it was gorgeous made with the costumes, but who could this > >> have ben? > >> It must have ben BBC who made it. > >> > >> Bjarne > >> > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 02:16:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6GCC5006708 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U6G3ea002836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:16:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6FpQL043520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6Form014069; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6FloX014019 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A4DE3DB053A; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:10:38 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:15:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c66c1d$83f12c30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Don't know who sent a request for this, but the group in England who make their clothing using only hand sewing and authentic fabrics is called "The Tudor Group". Please forgive if this was answered already, can't find the original post. Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 02:32:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6WdAP007071 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:32:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U6WSBd010397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:32:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6W18g047154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6W0FK023409; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U6VtFb023339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-122-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.122]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3U6VqMB029100 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:31:53 +1000 Message-ID: <000301c66c1f$c35f0c50$7af1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3d3.1ce8c16.31845c6b@aol.com> <3586f5070604290626y28cb202ehb23b07a1f9be71c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:31:49 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] On the topic of Simplicity patterns (was Re: Simplicity 4156 - Victorian) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:32:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445459FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO when I had a look at Simplicity's website I noticed that they have just discontinued Simplicity 8881(the Shakespeare in Love pattern) which is IMO the best big 3 pattern out there for Elizabethan, so if you're interested in a cheap farthingale and bumroll pattern as well as a good sleeve pattern (with the seam in the right place down the back of the arm) and a bodice pattern that is similar in shape to Eleanora di Toledo's gown (in Patterns of Fashion) once you remove the princess seams. Snap up a copy or several (think about newcomers to your group who might need such a pattern in the future) when your local fabric shop updates it's pattern catalogues and gets rid of the discontinued patterns. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 04:42:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U8gAXf017980 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:42:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3U8g1i9019509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:42:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U8dtAK074283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U8dFYj098229; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3U8dAiL098140 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 02:39:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14333 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 08:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 08:39:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060430092849.01e38690@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:39:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical films/ plays tv drama In-Reply-To: <8296995c0604292246gdc7b2d4of814204207ca439e@mail.gmail.com > References: <003601c668b0$f6d3db50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <444EAAAC.1010808@lavoltapress.com> <001801c66911$efa3fca0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <8296995c0604292246gdc7b2d4of814204207ca439e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:42:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44547859.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:46 30/04/2006, you wrote: >Bjarne, you've been given many good suggestions. The first 17th Century >program I ever saw was one of the earliest Masterpiece Theater (BBC) >productions. It was "The First Churchills." This was before I had interest >in costuming, so I don't know if the costumes are any good, but I thought it >was quite lush at the time. > >LynnD You've reminded me. I don't know if any of these are available on DVD but here goes. History of the English Speaking People (based on Churchill's book, and some costumes made by Jean Hunnisett - good shapes, odd fabrics.) Wars of the Roses - based on Shakespeare's plays, recording of the Royal Shakespeare Company's stage production - fabulous shapes, wrong fabrics (cottons with glue and glitter patterns - very effective on stage) The Age of Kings Kings from 1066 in England - don't remember costumes! Also you could try the BBC shop http://www.bbcshop.com/icat/homenewreleases Try clicking on Drama and Arts Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 08:10:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCAe8C027435 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:10:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UCAVSD030469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:10:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UC9vIA037485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UC9nFN017053; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3U7c2al064338 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 01:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QBRA+WpJQtxpbjYh/+FmtrZ/FyTMXk3TNkIxSX0faMcUCZ7fGYGVJezBeg3KqZ77; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.232.70] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fa6VF-0000fi-J4 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 03:38:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Heather Rose Jones Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:38:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4782088ab738735138637e020dbc15a62561b46e9cd25f34ac4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.232.70 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Surviving Garments Database X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:10:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454A937.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I really need to get to bed, so I'm not hitting all the lists with this announcement yet, but my searchable database of surviving garments up to 1500 is now available in useable form (although expect some minor aspects of the interface to change regularly in the next couple weeks). Check it out at: At some point I'll be interested in feedback, but since I _know_ it not only has a clunky interface at the moment, but needs some serious data clean-up, it would probably be better to wait for about a month and then see if the problems you've noticed are still there. Enjoy! Heather -- Heather Rose Jones heather.jones@earthlink.net http://www.heatherrosejones.com LJ:hrj _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 08:36:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCap5s028096 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:36:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UCagMT012997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:36:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCVKqU042054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCVJhF030575; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCVFwc030534 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E5D6B36991 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:31:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:31:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <043501c66a8b$9b1179d0$0301010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Esse collar RE: SCA sumptuary laws X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:36:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454AF5A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am still waiting for a reply but I have done some research when I have had the time. It would seem that I was incorrect about it being a collar of state. The Esses collar is referred to as Livery collars. The Esses collar is associated with the house of Lancaster which is why the esses collar is referred to as a Lancastrian collar. Those wearing the esse were showing support of the house of Lancaster. Henry, father of Henry 8th, created a livery collar that was the esses (Lancaster/Margaret) and the rose en soleil (York/Henry). I am check out the info that states that 3 English offices still use the esse livery collar, one of them allegedly being the office of heraldry but I do not have hard docs to this yet. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 08:57:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCv4BJ028578 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UCuuLQ024235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:56:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCuY4f047768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCuXDA046166; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UCuUDF046110 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5560.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.96]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 76F20FAC03E for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:56:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003401c66c55$8e584f90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <02ba01c66977$bba11a80$9400a8c0@compaqub><200604272140.16615.cathy@thyrsus.com> <052901c66bef$bf07e800$9400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:56:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:56:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454B418.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi How about Christine of Denmark? She was painted by Holbein. She had great influences in the politics of Europe. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" >> Can you be more specific? There are recently published (and to be >> published) >> books regarding different costuming periods. Similarly, some of the >> interesting books were published last year--is that "lately" enough, in >> your >> opinion? > > I'm interested in the 15thC and early 16thC, and it's surprisingly hard to > find good books that cover the first quarter of the 16thC in any depth. > They all seem to skip right over it so they get to the titillating, > off-with-her-head stuff, or to the Elizabethan mess. > > (I really couldn't care less about England, but I'm resigned to the fact > that unless I break down and learn French, I'm not likely to get much > other than Tudor stuff for my time period!) > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 09:22:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDMTrG029190 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:22:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UDMKja004894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:22:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDKdoq053524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDKbDS061438; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav5.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDKYHZ061369 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:20:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:20:29 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: First Qtr 16th century - was RE: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:20:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c66c58$df0a64c0$0301a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <052901c66bef$bf07e800$9400a8c0@compaqub> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2006 13:20:31.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB39ADB0:01C66C58] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:22:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454BA0C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I missed the original post, sorry if I repeat what was said earlier. Have you looked at Millia Davenport's book (s)? -The Book of Costume- I find it a good place to start when researching something new because it gives a decent regional overview in one place. You can pick it/them (it come in a two volume set often) second hand very reasonably. www.bookfinder.com Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New MCT Book was Update on Henry VIII book ----- Original Message ----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 09:36:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDaSUh029468 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:36:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UDaJWA012948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDa7eI057509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:36:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDa6xS071054; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UDa294070953 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47714 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2006 13:35:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qoS/ns0ozikI1G/EoHEp4Pzs3hHPdTLEnzQX+bWzLPTLkeDY0Pdlo34tNpdOU7Ys0R+SmGOacxXvPBD1MQ+zTuK2OdJYTRKYNFRLKnAybMrGwIwa2Pn4/4EKke1Cto2+4dWqf/TPPdvNEzKeCZRfM9PH76zP39NCSeqVSq3XUPI= ; Message-ID: <20060430133556.47712.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:35:56 PDT Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200604300842.k3U8gU2c000302@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 391 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454BD53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Heather, I know you said you weren't ready for feedback yet, but wow. Great project. I took a quick look at the periods that interest me (12th-15th c.) and even the short bits of data you include have piqued my interest to do more indepth research in the future. I'm sure it also includes resources I would have never been able to access or even considered. I can't begin to imagine the time you have put into this, but thank you. Main page looks great too - very clear on your parameters and intent. Annette M >Message: 11 >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:38:02 -0700 >From: Heather Rose Jones >Subject: [h-cost] Surviving Garments Database > > >I really need to get to bed, so I'm not hitting all the lists with >this announcement yet, but my searchable database of surviving >garments up to 1500 is now available in useable form (although expect >some minor aspects of the interface to change regularly in the next >couple weeks). Check it out at: > > > >At some point I'll be interested in feedback, but since I _know_ it >not only has a clunky interface at the moment, but needs some serious >data clean-up, it would probably be better to wait for about a month >and then see if the problems you've noticed are still there. > >Enjoy! > >Heather --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 09:41:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDfUP2029618 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:41:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UDfLnD015806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDdpfL058486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDdqCY073314; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDdneN073287 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19604 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:14:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:14:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank you all! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:41:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454BE81.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My publisher says that Medieval Clothing & Textiles is "selling like hot cakes." I know a substantial number of copies went to people on this list. Thanks for your interest, and your support! Feedback is always welcome. Y'all know where to find me... --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 09:58:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDw4Hg030173 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:58:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UDvtLW023106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:57:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDvY79062534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDvX0O084119; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UDvUr6084047 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.6]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060430135724.LEEW12807.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:57:24 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.6]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060430135723.SDTT21950.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:57:23 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060430084812.02693ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:57:20 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book In-Reply-To: <200604300842.k3U8gU2b000302@net.indra.com> References: <200604300842.k3U8gU2b000302@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:57:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454C263.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Willpower.. books... with me that's an oxymoron. I have very little willpower when it comes to books (if they are any good). I have the ones on your list. What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? Beth >Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:31:01 -0400 >From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > >On Friday 28 April 2006 10:28 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > Cathy, > > > > I would certainly be interested in your list! > >The original poster asked about "recent" stuff, not just upcoming stuff, >which >was what inspired my comment. > >You already mentioned the two "upcoming" items on my list--the Rogers book >and >the book on the Oseberg textiles. > >Here are some of the (slightly) older, but still "recent" books I was >thinking >of. (I've bought all of them, too; shows you how much willpower I >have.) :-) > >Dress in Anglo-Saxon England, Revised and Enlarged Edition (Hardcover) >by Gale R. Owen-Crocker >Publisher: Boydell Press (November 2004) >ISBN: 1843830817 > >Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland (Hardcover) >by Else Ostergard, Else Stergard Publisher: Aarhus Universitetsforlag >(November 2004) >ISBN: 8772889357 > >Northern Archaeological Textiles, Nesat VII: Textile Symposium in Edinburgh, >5th-7th May 1999 (Hardcover) >by Frances Prithchard (Editor), Peter Wild (Editor) >Publisher: Oxbow Books Limited (July 2005) >ISBN: 1842171623 >(which you told me about) > >Priceless Invention of Humanity - Textiles (NESAT 8) Acta Archaeologica >Lodziensia Nr 50/1 edited by Jerzy Maik. >Publisher: Instytut Archaeologii I Etnologii Pan. Lodz Poland (2004) >(which I think you also told me about) > >There are other books I'm yearning for, but most of them are out of print, >and >not remotely recent. > >-- >Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 11:18:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFIAeQ032320 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:18:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UFI0SG026977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:18:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFHGNr071070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFHCFJ041247; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UFH9eh041148 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCFKXHKAXJ2KXA for (sender ); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LN8CZZVN; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:16:33 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:14:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: was Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book Message-ID: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-7,10-12 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1708510154 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgs1OH/nhPXdDHA6IItg5X3I= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454D529.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? > > Beth _Fundamentals of Music_ by Boethius, trans. by Calvin Bower. Why such an incredibly important work would be allowed to go OP is beyond me (grumble grumble growse.....). Sorta costume related--I would love to find a book with nothing but notes on and photos of, everyday secular medeval English embroidery, although I doubt if such a critter exists. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 11:30:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFUWv1032633 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:30:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UFUOoV003808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFTCBS072083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFTCI9049098; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:29:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UFT7Zp049011 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 44613 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 15:29:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 15:29:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060430162611.01e46e60@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:29:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: Secular/Church embroidery In-Reply-To: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> References: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454D810.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:14 30/04/2006, you wrote: > > What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? > > > > Beth > >_Fundamentals of Music_ by Boethius, trans. by Calvin Bower. Why such an >incredibly important work would be allowed to go OP is beyond me (grumble >grumble growse.....). > >Sorta costume related--I would love to find a book with nothing but notes >on and photos of, everyday secular medeval English embroidery, although >I doubt if such a critter exists. > >Arlys I think there is a book on medieval embroidery put out by the Museum of London. I will climb up (it's on a top shelf. way above my head!) and see whether it is secular or Church. I have for disposal a book called "Byzantine Tradition in Church Embroidery" by Pauline Johnstone if anyone is interested? suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 11:31:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFVq0J032665 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:31:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UFVhaL011345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:31:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFVTA9072613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:31:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFVT04050820; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:31:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UFVP8t050717 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:31:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77796 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 15:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 15:31:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060430163045.01dc4d88@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:31:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: was Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book In-Reply-To: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> References: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:31:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4454D85F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:14 30/04/2006, you wrote: > > What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? > > > > Beth > >_Fundamentals of Music_ by Boethius, trans. by Calvin Bower. Why such an >incredibly important work would be allowed to go OP is beyond me (grumble >grumble growse.....). > >Sorta costume related--I would love to find a book with nothing but notes >on and photos of, everyday secular medeval English embroidery, although >I doubt if such a critter exists. Is this any good? the one I was referring to. http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Embroiderers-ISBN_0802069150.html?isrc=b-author _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 11:56:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFuhvi000839 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:56:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UFuYKB017141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:56:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFuN4W074966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UFuLW1067114; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UFuJJv067093 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:56:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 10185 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 08:54:47 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 10172, pid: 10177, t: 4.1455s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 08:54:43 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060430085043.022b43b8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:56:02 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alternatives To Elizabethan Epaulettes In-Reply-To: <20060429205316.68113.qmail@web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060429205316.68113.qmail@web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:56:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454DE32.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:53 PM 4/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi! > > Can anyone suggest an alternative to the epaulettes on the 1569 > Jean Hunnisett dress? I have managed to make (if only in an old > sheet!) a four to five year old size bodice of this dress, though I > did end up adapting a Simplicity pattern. I have spent the last > three days doing a pattern for the epaulettes, and making three > sets, without success. Any help will be much appreciated! > > All The Best! > Jayne Can you describe the problem(s) you are having? A simple crescent-shaped epaulette would also be appropriate (and much simpler to construct). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 12:32:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UGW3hr001830 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:32:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UGVst8007189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:31:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UGTHEd077837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UGTFsd088887; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UGTAJ0088844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3UGT3Mc014656 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:29:09 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:29:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Music Books was: Migration Era Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:31:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454E67A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO EEEK! $250 for the cheapest used copy I could find! Looks like ILL and a scanner would be your friend for this one. If I get REALLY good with my new OpticBook scanner (doesn't break the backs of books), and it's not enormous, this could be done. Regina > > > What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? > > > > Beth > > _Fundamentals of Music_ by Boethius, trans. by Calvin Bower. Why such an > incredibly important work would be allowed to go OP is beyond me (grumble > grumble growse.....). > > Sorta costume related--I would love to find a book with nothing but notes > on and photos of, everyday secular medeval English embroidery, although > I doubt if such a critter exists. > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 14:09:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UI9S7b004053 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:09:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UI9JEL027883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UI8Zqw089057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UI8XTM054512; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail87.messagelabs.com (mail87.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UI8TF5054466 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) X-Env-Sender: lisleong@k12.hi.us X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-87.messagelabs.com!1146420508!33271231!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [165.248.247.160] Received: (qmail 1824 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2006 18:08:28 -0000 Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (HELO mailrelay.k12.hi.us) (165.248.247.160) by server-12.tower-87.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2006 18:08:28 -0000 Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 697A03EE6 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:08:28 -1000 (HST) Received: From makani ([165.248.1.195]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1146420507711; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:08:27 -1000 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 08:08:27 -1000 (HST) From: lisa X-X-Sender: lisleong@makani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: was Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book In-Reply-To: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: References: <20060430.081618.396.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:09:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4454FD4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Sorta costume related--I would love to find a book with nothing but notes > on and photos of, everyday secular medeval English embroidery, although > I doubt if such a critter exists. You and me both. There is Domestic Needlework by Seligman and Hughes but almost all of it is from the 17th century and later. There are 3 items from the 13th and 14th century and a handful from the 15th and 16th, but the vast majority is post-1600. I have a few others that are specifically on domestic (as opposed to ecclesiastical) needlework but they concentrate on the 16th century so aren't really medieval. Let me know if you'd like the titles. lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 14:56:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UIuV4d005167 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:56:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UIuMuR019676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:56:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UItrs4094141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UIto9b086391; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UItj3Q086284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FaH52-00088o-Mi; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:55:40 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:55:40 -0400 Message-ID: <20060430145540.46ndkl7pq8ko00os@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:55:40 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Suzi Clarke : > At 15:14 30/04/2006, you wrote: >> > What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? >> > >> > Beth >> >> _Fundamentals of Music_ by Boethius, trans. by Calvin Bower. Why such an >> incredibly important work would be allowed to go OP is beyond me (grumble >> grumble growse.....). >> >> Sorta costume related--I would love to find a book with nothing but notes >> on and photos of, everyday secular medeval English embroidery, although >> I doubt if such a critter exists. > > > Is this any good? the one I was referring to. > > http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Embroiderers-ISBN_0802069150.html?isrc=b-author Nice book. There's not a lot of secular embroidery in there unfortunately. There are a couple of books that might work -- I thought that I still had them checked out, but it doesn't seem to be the case. *sigh* The history of English secular embroidery, by M. Jourdain -- published 1912. A picture book of English domestic embroidery of the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries. the author appears to be the Detroit Institute of the arts -- published 1948 Catalogue of English domestic embroidery of the sixteenth & seventeenth centuries, by John L. Nevinson -- published 1938. Jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 16:41:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UKfU4j007900 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:41:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UKfLOU012478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:41:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UKeJ7g003670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UKeBap054461; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k3UKe85J054372 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCFLJEJALZSBD2 for (sender ); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LN8XGF9S; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:39:01 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:38:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: was Migration Era books Message-ID: <20060430.133842.628.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-15,17-18,22-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:1377886857 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqC7BwCi0WbEop8CFARu2bQ= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:41:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445520F1.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > You and me both. There is Domestic Needlework by Seligman > and > Hughes but almost all of it is from the 17th century and later. > There are > 3 items from the 13th and 14th century and a handful from the 15th > and > 16th, but the vast majority is post-1600. > > I have a few others that are specifically on domestic (as > opposed > to ecclesiastical) needlework but they concentrate on the 16th > century so > aren't really medieval. Let me know if you'd like the titles. > > lisa Thank you for the offer. Renn isn't my thing but it's bound to be other folks. ;) I have a copy of Jourdain which is great, but still it seems that very few secular pieces survived. Although it would be interesting to find out what the secular elements were in chuch pieces--I understand that many of them used embroideries from secular sources as appliques and such. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 17:21:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ULL2ol008979 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:21:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ULKsZe029019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:20:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ULKZ7d007858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ULKX5L081641; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3ULKTpg081565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3ULKI6c014548 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:20:22 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:20:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060430145540.46ndkl7pq8ko00os@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery books was MCT and Wish lists X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44552A36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Would the books by Maria Schuette: A Pictorial History of Embroidery (the little one) or the huge two volume tombstone variety be of interest? The local County Library has the big ones and I intend to take my digital camera and a friend to photograph each page this summer since they are way too large to go on any Xerox I've ever been allowed to use. I also have the AGI Christie: English Medieval Embroidery that I got ILL and Xeroxed then scanned in. Regina Romsey > > > > > > Is this any good? the one I was referring to. > > > > > http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Embroiderers-ISBN_0802069150.html?isrc=b-author > > Nice book. There's not a lot of secular embroidery in there > unfortunately. There are a couple of books that might work -- I > thought that I still had them checked out, but it doesn't seem to be > the case. *sigh* > > The history of English secular embroidery, by M. Jourdain -- published > 1912. > > A picture book of English domestic embroidery of the sixteenth to the > nineteenth centuries. the author appears to be the Detroit Institute > of the arts -- published 1948 > > Catalogue of English domestic embroidery of the sixteenth & seventeenth > centuries, by John L. Nevinson -- published 1938. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 18:24:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMO5Wt010656 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:24:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UMNuqA024203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:23:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMMsNa014574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMMpmH022231; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMMlMN022118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FaKJR-00015A-TC; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:22:45 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:22:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20060430182245.q7l3gn8kgg08k4oc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:22:45 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Wanda Pease : > Would the books by Maria Schuette: A Pictorial History of Embroidery (the > little one) or the huge two volume tombstone variety be of interest? What's the difference in the 2 editions? I'm not sure I've ever run across anything about 2 different editions. The > local County Library has the big ones and I intend to take my digital camera > and a friend to photograph each page this summer since they are way too > large to go on any Xerox I've ever been allowed to use. I also have the AGI > Christie: English Medieval Embroidery that I got ILL and Xeroxed then > scanned in. Hmmm, sounds like your copy had a dreadful accident with a Toner Truck too ..... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 18:53:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMrCOH011576 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:53:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UMr3bs006873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMqkgY017429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMqjco041554; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UMqf2q041439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k410fHQI016924 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:41:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Migration Era books was Re: New MCT Book Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:00:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604300842.k3U8gU2b000302@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060430084812.02693ec0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060430084812.02693ec0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604301800.32720.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k3UMqf2q041439 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:53:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44553FCF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 30 April 2006 9:57 am, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Willpower.. books... with me that's an oxymoron. I have very little > willpower when it comes to books (if they are any good). I have the ones on > your list. > > What are the ones that you're yearning for that are out of print? Oh, that's easy. * The first three NESATs (I, II, and III) since by now I have all the rest. * Agnes Geijer. Birka III: Die Textilfunde aus den Gräbern, Mit 40 Tafeln und 50 Abbildungen im Texte. Uppsala, 1938. Bookfinder gave me a positive hit, but it's over $100 USD and that's hard for me to justify right now since I don't (yet) read German. * Inga Hagg. Die Textilfunde aus dem Hafen von Haithabu (Berichte über die Ausgrabungen in Haithabu) Publisher: Wachholtz (1984). ISBN: B0000EATK8 (yes, also in German) * Inga Hagg. Kvinnodrakten I Birka Publisher: Institutiomen for Arkeologi, Gustavianum, Uppsala 1974 ISBN: 9150600028 (This one's in Swedish, but I can absorb more meaning from Swedish than from German for some reason, even though I can speak neither language). I'd forgotten this one was so new--but almost nobody talks about pre-Roman textiles on the list: * Hallstatt Textiles: Technical Analysis, Scientific Investigation and Experiment on Iron Age Textiles edited by Peter Bichler, Karina Grömer, Regina Hoffman-de Keijzer, Anton Kern and Hans Reschreiter (Archaeopress BAR S1351, 2005) ISBN 1841716979. [Price: US $80.00 at Oxbow Books] And Oxbow Books still has this one--though that doesn't automatically mean it's in print. * Hochdorf IV: Die Textilfunde by Johanna Banck-Burgess (Konrad Theiss, Forschungen und Berichte zur Vor- und Frühgeschichte in Baden-Württemberg 70, 1999) ISBN 3806214530. [Price: US $130.00] This one is recent too, though as a book about textile tools it's less immediately relevant to a costumer: * Tools for Textile Production from Birka and Hedeby by Eva Andersson (Excavations in the Black Earth 1990-1995, Birk Studies 8, 2003) ISBN 9172092955. [Price US $80.00] There's a few more that I don't know whether they're out of print or not, but they are expensive and/or hard to find. * Stepping Through Time by Olaf Goubitz, Carol van Driel-Murray and Willy Groenman-van Waateringe (Stichting Promotie Archeologie 2001) ISBN 9070104469. Hardback. (I've seen this one for as little as $66 USD, so it'll probably be the one I go for next). I was yearning for Margareta Nockert's book on the Hogom Find (which is in English!), but a friend in Sweden located some copies, and is sending one to me. (I expect to see it sometime this week! Happy day!) That should give you the idea of the books I'm looking for at this point. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 19:01:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UN1NRg011652 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:01:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UN1F68010415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:01:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UN10gd018125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UN0xr0046605; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UN0tqi046560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.4/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k3UN0p8X015463 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:00:55 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery books was MCT and Wish lists Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:01:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20060430182245.q7l3gn8kgg08k4oc@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:01:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445541BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Two Volume one is not exactly a different edition. I'd say it is the full version and the Pictorial History is the Readers Digest version. It's not only huge, but it probably has 4 times the number of items. I think our Library got its copy as a gift in about 1927. Several of the pieces don't exist any longer thanks to WWII. Gestickte Bildteppiche und Decken des Mittelalters Schuette, Marie, 1878-1960. Leipzig, K. W. Hiersemann, 1927-v. double plates (part col.) 51 cm. R- 746.3 S38 I don't remember the text being in German. I was too busy holding my sleeve under my chin as I drooled! I tried to scan my smaller volume in, but the definition just sucked even at high resolution. Very important when you are looking at embroidery. For some reason the Christie seemed to come out clearer. I may still try the digital camera method just for grins and giggles. Regina > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 3:23 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery books was MCT and Wish lists > > > Quoting Wanda Pease : > > > Would the books by Maria Schuette: A Pictorial History of > Embroidery (the > > little one) or the huge two volume tombstone variety be of interest? > > What's the difference in the 2 editions? I'm not sure I've ever run > across anything about 2 different editions. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 19:12:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNCPsC011963 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:12:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UNCGLs015661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNBoIi019207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNBnZi053433; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNBgmn053312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4110HCE017260 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:00:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Surviving Garments Database Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:19:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604301819.33627.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:12:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44554450.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 30 April 2006 3:38 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > I really need to get to bed, so I'm not hitting all the lists with > this announcement yet, but my searchable database of surviving > garments up to 1500 is now available in useable form (although expect > some minor aspects of the interface to change regularly in the next > couple weeks). Check it out at: > > This is a *wonderful* idea. I will need more time to explore it and see what I can add. You should, in my opinion, be canonized for taking this task on. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 19:48:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNmBqk012616 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:48:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UNm3cU002681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:48:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNlDTs024725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNlBZC076948; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UIIFwg060767 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060430181807.CQSI26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:18:07 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book wish list: Secular/Church embroidery Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:18:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060430162611.01e46e60@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZsa6aoOINrwnYHRsavbd9D1ImsAQAFrIlw Message-Id: <20060430181807.CQSI26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:48:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44554CB3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Me, me Anne >I have for disposal a book called "Byzantine Tradition in Church >Embroidery" by Pauline Johnstone if anyone is interested? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 19:48:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNmKAG012620 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:48:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3UNmBi1027032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNln74024804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UNlnC5077381; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3UJGUgn099857 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AD06025C; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:16:22 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.150 ([209.131.80.150] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Apr 2006 15:16:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c66c8a$f208fdc0$965083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thank you all! Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:19:02 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44554CBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Looking to my summer reading!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 10:14 AM Subject: [h-cost] Thank you all! > > My publisher says that Medieval Clothing & Textiles is "selling like hot > cakes." > > I know a substantial number of copies went to people on this list. Thanks > for your interest, and your support! > > Feedback is always welcome. Y'all know where to find me... > > --Robin > > > ========================================================== > Robin Netherton > Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles > robin@nightowl.net > voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 > Life is just a bowl of queries. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 20:15:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k410FaU0013601 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:15:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k410FSY0017356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k410Exac027902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k410EuIa094803; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k410Ep6s094748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-221-165-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.221.165]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k410EmZe017308 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:14:49 +1000 Message-ID: <001a01c66cb4$40691760$a5ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> <200604301819.33627.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Surviving Garments Database Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:14:44 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:15:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44555320.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Check it out at: >> >> > > This is a *wonderful* idea. I will need more time to explore it and see > what > I can add. You should, in my opinion, be canonized for taking this task > on. > -- > Cathy Raymond Well as you need to be dead to be canonized I don't think we want that any time soon ;-) after all if Heather was a candidate for sainthood she couldn't update this site (unless she chose that as one of her miracles :-) Just kidding, we'd also miss your presence on the list. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 21:04:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4114JAQ015091 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:04:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4114AdG008037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:04:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4113nfc034614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4113iDT034041; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41135mh033591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k412pfGf019406 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:51:41 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Surviving Garments Database Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:10:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> <200604301819.33627.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001a01c66cb4$40691760$a5ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <001a01c66cb4$40691760$a5ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604302010.57367.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:04:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44555E8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 30 April 2006 8:14 pm, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Check it out at: > >> > > > > This is a *wonderful* idea. I will need more time to explore it and see > > what > > I can add. You should, in my opinion, be canonized for taking this task > > on. > > -- > > Cathy Raymond > > > > Well as you need to be dead to be canonized I don't think we want that any > time soon ;-) after all if Heather was a candidate for sainthood she > couldn't update this site (unless she chose that as one of her miracles :-) > Just kidding, we'd also miss your presence on the list. You make a good point, Elizabeth. I really meant "canonized, post mortem". :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 21:19:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k411JiN3015438 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:19:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k411JZU4015127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k411J7iW036107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k411J5pt043557; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k411J2g9043480 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 19:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A1FF021C; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:18:55 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.149 ([209.131.80.149] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 30 Apr 2006 21:18:52 -0400 Message-ID: <009101c66cbd$9a563ec0$955083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <362.2dacc67.31767064@aol.com><000701c6631d$fdb2e940$9d5083d1@rmitchellras> <6.2.1.2.0.20060418214910.03753978@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:21:40 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:19:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44556227.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kim, a little late on this, but I would suggest that you think of the bodice to be slightly one third of the costume in length. As I have said, it should be a little to the top of your waistline. I am working on a dress for a plus sized woman right now. Her waist measure is probably 50" So, for this, I will use 3 1/2 panels 45" for the skirt. this will allow fullness without being voluminous. I was watching "The Heiress" last eve (Olivia Haviland) and was struck by the grace the women's costumes provided for a glimpse of the mid 19thC. And the hair styles did Not nod to the time period of the production. A pagoda sleeve with gauze or fine linen undersleeve would be a nice choice (Especially if your upper arms are at all heavy) The trick is to make the sleeve big enough to cover without wrinkles at the armpit but remember that the re should be no gathers at the shoulder. I have found the PastPattern bodices to be Avery good choice for style. It will go nicely with any round skirt. Taking a hint from central European models, I set the panels on a split waist band which will allow you two pocket slits, one on either side. The actual pockets can be on your petticoat or on a twill band, much as they were in the late 18thC. The buttonholes go on the ends of the front and the back band should be about 2' longer. You will finish them with 2 sets of plain buttons either end. this also helps with larger/smaller fluctuations of weight . Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 12:51 AM Subject: [h-cost] Victorian proportions for plus sizes (was yardage required) > At 12:26 PM 4/18/2006, you wrote: > >In making Plus Size gowns, > > etc. for customers, it is sometimes a little dicey getting the right > >proportion for the period. > > > Hi Kathleen, > > As a plus sized woman who later this summer will, I promise, *will* make a > Victorian outfit for our County Sesquicentennial (I think I have that > right... 150 year anniversary), any suggestions or tips on getting that > right proportion? > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 22:07:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4127ZCW017030 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:07:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4127QLo009283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:07:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4126xQZ044632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4126rQM080280; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4126olH080193 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26419B5EC2 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200605010119.k411J7ES043570@net.indra.com> References: <200605010119.k411J7ES043570@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:06:33 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Book wish list: weavers pattern books up to 1800... 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Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 22:37:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k412b9t6018006 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:37:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k412b0mT032223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k412aZYW047827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:36:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k412aYUK099207; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k412aTEa099152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-221-165-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.221.165]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k412aRpo010429 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:36:28 +1000 Message-ID: <001b01c66cc8$0ca6e100$a5ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060429205316.68113.qmail@web25606.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Alternatives To Elizabethan Epaulettes Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:36:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:37:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4455744C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:53 AM Subject: [h-cost] Alternatives To Elizabethan Epaulettes > Hi! > > Can anyone suggest an alternative to the epaulettes on the 1569 Jean > Hunnisett dress? I have managed to make (if only in an old sheet!) a four > to five year old size bodice of this dress, though I did end up adapting a > Simplicity pattern. I have spent the last three days doing a pattern for > the epaulettes, and making three sets, without success. Any help will be > much appreciated! > > All The Best! > Jayne > If you aren't too committed to the idea of epaulettes the simplest alternative would probably be tabs which are little strips of fabric either with both ends sewn into the shoulder seam (and the fold sticking out) or about half the length and one end hangs free (the outer edge can be rounded or left square) tabs generally stick out about an inch from your shoulder IIRC this is the shoulder treatment on the little girl's dress in Patterns of Fashion. Otherwise you can make a shoulder roll using these instructions http://web.archive.org/web/20050209184231/www.saragrace.net/3A_SHLDR_ROLL_by_sg.htm (the original site has disappeared but fortunately it's still available via web archive) and you can try various ways of decorating it such as faked puffs. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 30 23:21:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k413LZqn019207 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:21:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k413LQjH020052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:21:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k413L2eD052329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k413KtWI026667; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k413Kp6g026589 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.40b.6845be (58677) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <40b.6845be.3186d88b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:20:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Libertine To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5121 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:21:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44557EB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw it the weekend it came out. It was supposed to have been released last September, then January. I don't know what the problem was, except the content of the film. It's rude, crude, lewd, and socially unacceptable -- or rather Lord Rochester was. It's well performed and generally well done. The costumes are good, but the film emphasizes the seamy side of Restoration-era England, so they aren't very fancy. Lots of mud and dirt -- even under the fingernails of the aristocracy. Since Rochester died of syphillis, which is portrayed pretty graphically, you can imagine that the film is not pretty. It was originally a play, and John Malkovich played Rochester (he playes Charles II here in a really bad fake nose), so it's kind of choppy. Malkovich held the rights to the play (to film it), but it took him so long to get the financing that he was too old to play Rochester. Johnny Depp was a great job, but he's not a very likeable character. I recommend it with reservations. It can gross you out. As a costume flick, it's OK, but you won't see much in the way of court dress -- theatrical costumes (when the actors wear clothes) and servant's clothes are more likely. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 00:23:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k414Ng15020754 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 00:23:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k414NXk5017212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 00:23:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k414N7oK058125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:23:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k414N02g063764; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k414MuF2063710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FaPri-0000Es-2Q for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:18:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery books was MCT and Wish lists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 00:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44558D45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Would the books by Maria Schuette: A Pictorial History of Embroidery (the > little one) or the huge two volume tombstone variety be of interest? The > local County Library has the big ones and I intend to take my digital camera > and a friend to photograph each page this summer since they are way too > large to go on any Xerox I've ever been allowed to use. I also have the AGI > Christie: English Medieval Embroidery that I got ILL and Xeroxed then > scanned in. > > Regina Romsey I have slides of all the photos in Christie (and digital of the text). Now that there is a scanner I can attach to my laptop I can scan them all in. Once that project is done I can see about burning CDs of it. For the photography I recommend getting your hands on a tripod. It will save your back. For the slides of Christie, I was the tripod, and my back has never forgiven me. 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