From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 04:23:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k418NbFZ028067 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 04:23:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k418NSBN016282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 04:23:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k418MxRB079788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 02:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k418MpW2009546; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing2.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k418MmTu009460 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katie_lewis@lycos.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id E0DAF18001AB for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:22:35 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 May 2006 08:16:32 -0000 Received: by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 10CDCCA0B6; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Katie Lewis" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 03:22:36 -0500 Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Libertine Received: from [149.169.241.66] by ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for katie_lewis@lycos.com; Mon, 01 May 2006 03:22:36 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 149.169.241.66 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20060501082236.10CDCCA0B6@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k418MmTu009460 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 04:23:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4455C580.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne wrote: > Hi, > I nust noticed a small advert about a moovie comming to Denmark called "The > Libertine" Have any here seen it? > What period is it? I saw it and it was worth seeing once. It isn't my period, but the costuming looked pretty good to me. I would have to see the costumes in better light, the person who did the lighting was of the "The past must be DARK" school of thought and in general there was a too liberal use of brown and mud. A warning-the last 15-20 minutes is not for the weak of stomach. There are lots of very tight close-ups of the the Earl of Rochester's face as he is dying from the effects of tertiary syphillis and mercury treatments. I had to look away a couple of times and I'm not easisly grossed out. -Katherine -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 07:11:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41BBJL6029783 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 07:11:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41BBAIS028732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 07:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41BAsRI000391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 05:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41BAr6C017679; Mon, 1 May 2006 05:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav15.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.87]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41B8n1g014900 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 05:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 May 2006 04:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 01 May 2006 11:08:43 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060430181807.CQSI26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: Secular/Church embroidery Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 07:10:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2006 11:08:45.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D31EE30:01C66D0F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 07:11:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4455ECCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm interested. What are you asking for it? I live in PA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book wish list: Secular/Church embroidery > Me, me > Anne > >>I have for disposal a book called "Byzantine Tradition in Church >>Embroidery" by Pauline Johnstone if anyone is interested? > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 09:44:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41DiokD008729 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 09:44:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41DigQm017516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 09:44:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41DhwC5018961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 07:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41DhsJZ032845; Mon, 1 May 2006 07:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k41DhoVv032740 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 07:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 57175 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 13:43:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 13:43:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060501144231.01e3e648@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:43:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book wish list: Secular/Church embroidery - sold In-Reply-To: References: <20060430181807.CQSI26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 09:44:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445610CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:10 01/05/2006, you wrote: >I'm interested. What are you asking for it? I live in PA. > > >>Me, me >>Anne >> >>>I have for disposal a book called "Byzantine Tradition in Church >>>Embroidery" by Pauline Johnstone if anyone is interested? Sorry, the book has now found a home. It went to the first e-mail I got. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 10:25:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41EP3kq009673 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:25:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41EOtPm015183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 10:24:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41EO37G023962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 08:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41ENvvK066194; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41ENrmF065952 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mischele1@cox.net) Received: from Mischele ([68.1.69.115]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with SMTP id <20060501142337.HBQD16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@Mischele> for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:23:37 -0400 Message-ID: <009601c66d2a$d34b4fa0$73450144@Mischele> From: "mischele1" To: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:23:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn (smell) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 10:24:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44561A37.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k41EP3kq009673 Status: RO This dress is caught in my mind. Is it allogorical (sp) http://www.musee-moyenage.fr/ang/pages/page_id18374_u1l2.htm I am toying with the idea of making it for SCA use. Thanks, Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 10:39:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41EdXSH010002 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:39:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41EdOq4026684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 10:39:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41EcxVp025967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 08:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41Ecw07079722; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k41EcrZw079541 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:38:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62804 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 14:38:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2006 14:38:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060501153738.01e39e80@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:38:45 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn (smell) In-Reply-To: <009601c66d2a$d34b4fa0$73450144@Mischele> References: <009601c66d2a$d34b4fa0$73450144@Mischele> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 10:39:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44561D9C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:23 01/05/2006, you wrote: >This dress is caught in my mind. >Is it allogorical (sp) >http://www.musee-moyenage.fr/ang/pages/page_id18374_u1l2.htm >I am toying with the idea of making it for SCA use. >Thanks, >Lyonet Can't help, but what a wonderful resource. I have been to the museum, but a very long time ago, so it's great to see such detail. Thanks for posting. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 12:08:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41G8nMT015220 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:08:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41G8efs007067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 12:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41G7tqF038812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 10:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41G7oF6065274; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52111.mail.yahoo.com (web52111.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.114]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k41G7jhQ065082 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 38555 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2006 16:07:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PUpyFgMjYDIN79IscAvLM+q2X0qDJNhItRd2Vp5uahN2SgE4mwu63Vo1LLoEPuU06/NIojoHyN8W1XIU4Hrhcw1Ecl+qS4QYMdvOGf3CuV4YdVkw/DcswkaSHTgkLVJ9J8hmD4kepOwPA5NLghyQsCvpGmIrQH3fq74wWQvok/U= ; Message-ID: <20060501160739.38553.qmail@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k41G7jhQ065082 Subject: [h-cost] Selling Stuff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44563288.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have decided to sell off bits of my stash I won't be using. I have packed it all onto a .pdf for anyone who is interested: http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/sale_inventory.pdf Mostly heirloom sewing stuff, some trims. I'll put it up on Ebay if there are no bites here. Email me off list before Wednesday the 3rd if you are really keen. Otherwise I'll be back after the 7th. Kathy Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 12:23:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GNEhK015463 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:23:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41GN57S016685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 12:23:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GMP42044128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GLvJL077647; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GLqlm077468 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c0.2011de8 (15901) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d4456358fd1; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:21:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060501160739.38553.qmail@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060501160739.38553.qmail@web52111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <1c68780ff35441759716882c6b2c2a4f@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Selling Stuff Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:32 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 12:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445635E9.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k41GNEhK015463 Status: RO Kathy- The site says Temporarily Unavailable when I try to view it. Boo, Hoo! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 1, 2006, at 12:07 PM, Kathy Page wrote: > I have decided to sell off bits of my stash I won't be using. I have > packed it all onto a .pdf for anyone who is interested: > http://ca.geocities.com/absynthe30/avatars/sale_inventory.pdf > Mostly heirloom sewing stuff, some trims. I'll put it up on Ebay if > there are no bites here. > > Email me off list before Wednesday the 3rd if you are really keen. > Otherwise I'll be back after the 7th. > > Kathy > > > Its never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 12:39:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GdoWj015769 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:39:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41GdgdG027872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 12:39:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GdGDG051316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 10:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41Gd2tg093613; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net (fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41GcK3j093078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 10:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.61]) by fall-pradero.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FabAr-0000x9-6E for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:23:01 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.229.66.128.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.128] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FabAS-0000DZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: <445643B9.8030604@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:22:01 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn (smell) References: <009601c66d2a$d34b4fa0$73450144@Mischele> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445639CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO mischele1 wrote: > This dress is caught in my mind. > Is it allogorical (sp) > http://www.musee-moyenage.fr/ang/pages/page_id18374_u1l2.htm Cool dress, but yes, it is allegorical. Short sleeves are generally a giveaway, as is a slit skirt. Now the lady to the left is more in line with "real" fashion. She has her overgown pinned up to the back of her waist to show off the lining and her red undergown. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 13:35:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41HZmOR017124 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:35:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41HZchH004558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 13:35:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41HYmD3070444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 11:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41HYdZw046372; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41HYWG3046209 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05641 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:08:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:08:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn (smell) In-Reply-To: <009601c66d2a$d34b4fa0$73450144@Mischele> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 13:35:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445646EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 1 May 2006, mischele1 wrote: > This dress is caught in my mind. > Is it allogorical (sp) > http://www.musee-moyenage.fr/ang/pages/page_id18374_u1l2.htm The short answer: In all six of the tapestries, the Lady's dress carries many elements associated with allegorical and fantasy figures. The skirt slit is the obvious indicator on this one; on others, it's the heavy jeweled hem or the headdress. But also the overall level of decoration. The maid's dress is far closer to real clothing of noblewomen, but occasional has some oddnesses (mostly in headdress). The long answer was the substance of a presentation Verna Rutz and I gave on this topic at the International Medieval Congress quite some years ago. Even if my research hadn't shown me the linkages between the lady's dress and other allegorical/fantasy images, I would have found it out just from doing the reproductions (I made a version of the Lady and one of the Maid, mostly from this very tapestry). Things like layers being in a different order on the sleeves/neckline/hem... easy enough to do in a picture, but no way to do it in real life unless you fake something. If you like this style, I encourage you to look at other secular tapestries from the period. There are a number on hunting, winemaking, and other courtly pursuits that are full of nobles without allegorical significance. Look carefully, though, as often tapestries do tell tales of historical or mythological heroes and heroines, and it can be easy to confuse them. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 15:59:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41JxkUv020646 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:59:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41JxbHa013804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 15:59:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41Jwbdl092638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 13:58:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41JwPfP084567; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41JwKQU084386 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IYL00KCRRG71B20@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 May 2006 15:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.38] (Forwarded-For: [64.232.31.99]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 01 May 2006 15:57:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:57:43 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn (smell) In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <009601c66d2a$d34b4fa0$73450144@Mischele> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 15:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445668A9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I remember seeing one on wine making - I especially liked one of the dresses. However all I can remember is that the dress was a long sleeved under dress with a short sleeve dress and (IIRC) a sleveless over dress. Kinda like each over layer had shorter and shorter sleeves. Hope this isn't too vague. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Netherton > > If you like this style, I encourage you to look at other secular > tapestries from the period. There are a number on hunting, > winemaking, and other courtly pursuits that are full of nobles without allegorical > significance. > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 16:13:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KDnDN020980 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:13:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41KDfnN023579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 16:13:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KCPxc094491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 14:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KC4Uk098127; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KBsc3097928 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FaekK3hJe-0007ag; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:11:54 -0400 Message-ID: <005f01c66d5b$7c51b960$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:11:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I'm Back (Long) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 16:13:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44566BF5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k41KDnDN020980 Status: RO I am back from Florida! Wow what a trip! I was only supposed to be there for two weeks. The John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art in Sarasota invited me to photograph their collections for a week. So I stayed an extra week and took about 1,500 photgraphs. Bradenton/Sarasota is a mecca for thrift and outlet stores. I had to buy a second suitcase and ship back home five boxes of things we purchased. I have two sisters who are addicted to shopping. When I returned to Virginia, I was hired to teach Contempary Fashion History (1850-1990) for the summer semester at Virginia Commonwealth University. One of my dream jobs! I might be hired to teach it in the fall too. They have opened up this course to the entire School of the Arts. Back to Florida... John Ringling was one of the five Ringling Brothers of the circus fame. John and Mable also were big art collectors. On my first day, we went through the Circus Museum and Cá d'Zan, the 47 room mansion of John & Mable Ringling, to decide what we wanted to photograph. The house was completed in 1925 and was the Ringlings' winter home. The first shoot was in the circus costume gallery. Most of the costumes were from the 1950s. Here is a link to one of the photos of the costumes. http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/temp/Girl045A.jpg Later that day, we did a photoshoot of the exterior of the Cá d'Zan. Here is a front view of the mansion: http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/2housefront150.jpg . You can't see the mansion's tower because the palm trees block the view. Here is one of the many images of a Venice Carnivale that is painted on the Gameroom's ceiling of the Cá d'Zan. http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/mansion4_035w.htm The artist was Willy Pogany, a famous children's book illustrator, costume designer for opera and theater, and was employed by Florence Ziegfeld. This massive collection was painted in the mid-1920s on canvas in New York City. Mr. Pogany installed the paintings in 1925-26 on the ceiling of the Gameroom. I have not counted but there are about 30 very large paintings and several smaller ones of people in this room. I took 91 photos of the Carnivale ceiling. I laid flat on the floor to take the Carnivale photos. Next I photgraphed the square columns in the GameRoom. Three sides of each column were painted masks for the Carnivale. I guess, there was about 16-20 columns. The Gameroom took up a large majority of the third floor. Another ceiling was painted by Mr. Pogany, the Ballroom. The ceiling is called Dancers of the Nations. There are 22 panels of international dancers set in octagon gilded coffers. In each corner of the room was a painting of a couple doing American dances. I have the Ballroom webpages about 50% complete. I have large detailed photos of each set of dancers. You can see video of the Cá d'Zan on the Ringling website: http://www.ringling.org/tours/ca_dzan/court.htm . When you look at the Ballroom, point your cursor towards the ceiling and you will see the Dancers of the Nations. The official website for the museum is http://www.ringling.org/index.asp A big thrill of the week, was doing a photoshoot of Mr. Ringling's wardrobe. They have an extensive collection of his shoes, canes, hats, suits, and ties. The majority of his wardobe was purchased on Fifth Ave. in NYC. I spent two days photographing his wardrobe. The staff at the museum was wonderful! I didn't get to visit their art museum. I ran out of time. But I was told that the art museum has a collection of 75 hand fans. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 16:20:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KKXno021097 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:20:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41KKOdU027492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 16:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KJxT5095782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 14:19:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KJvSQ006314; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k41JUrJ3057221 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 13:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14041 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2006 19:30:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hE2KyGZqHTHhUNOE/0LN+j4i08D7xmj2H0ZXr7s8IVXAkzQkX8/fdUncGAWk/hzETnb9SXtZEr5jCBlgvpMKuvSUxQfdBB7eE+4Kqqlpy0TC+5rBH4X5kaCK7ELdNqGVqti2TZhfV2llLjN+73sSQE04v1hAcLYKH+CdutvU6aQ= ; Message-ID: <20060501193045.14039.qmail@web25602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.204] by web25602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:30:45 BST Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:30:45 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Epaulettes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 16:20:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44566D88.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! Joan Thanks for your message! The problem is that the bodice pattern is a hybrid of a Simplicity pattern and the 1569 bodice pattern out of JH's book enlarged to sort of the correct size (my daughter still has a bit of 'toddler tum'!), which I made without too many problems. I drafted the epaulette base out of JH, which was too short, so I lengthened it, so in theory it would go around the back of the armhole, which I think is happening in the diagram on page 67. The problem is that I am trying to make the JH pattern fit the Simplicity armholes. I thought rather than make 'the square peg fit the round hole', I would try some other Elizabethan shoulder decoration, and make it original, rather than copying a painting, but at the same time, I don't want it to have the Simplicity Halloween look! I will have a go at the crescent -shaped shoulder decoration, and see how it looks. 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Messenger. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 16:29:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KTfZw021328 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:29:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41KTXaJ000771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 16:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KSo9P097107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 14:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KSnQE015085; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KSRhF014595 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mischele1@cox.net) Received: from Mischele ([68.1.69.115]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with SMTP id <20060501202821.HBA16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@Mischele> for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c66d5d$ca0948b0$73450144@Mischele> From: "mischele1" To: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:28:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 16:29:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44566FAD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k41KTfZw021328 Status: RO Thanks Melanie and Robin, Just as I thought. Guess I will be doing a bit of research. It is sooo very hard for me to decide on just one time period. Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 16:39:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KdLJY021537 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:39:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41KdCk4007340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 16:39:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KapaM098418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 14:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41Kak4Q022932; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41KagOO022762 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:36:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter44.comcast.net ([204.127.205.144]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006050120363001200mi2bue>; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:36:30 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter44.comcast.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:36:29 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:36:29 +0000 Message-Id: <050120062036.49.4456714D0002B72B0000003122007348409C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Short sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 16:39:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445671F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I know this is brought up every year when it becomes warmer. I'm trying to remember if there were some images in some of the Book of Hours of women with mid length sleeves on women. Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 17:01:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41L115T022106 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:01:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41L0qnR021596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 17:00:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41L0M3L002625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 15:00:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41L0DrV045551; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41L07DV045456 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s18so647661nze for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 14:00:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fFi6kPzDlmqBeIEIXHqIYfYCGLpa13X/UqwG1x6XL41eBKzupPYpcAlfD7TAldTYY/FnKmD63raJWlbvM11/NBnkJ6vsBiN/lOdpGbyR8+L8tYhj86ypha+eH7TKZ5rVHAd/fTUJ4NM0QsyD/AgJ049lm1v1/vRHV6OfqV5I1ro= Received: by 10.36.48.11 with SMTP id v11mr3448267nzv; Mon, 01 May 2006 14:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.113.1 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590605011400o2e7c56c4n8a6c9cb4ea035894@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:00:07 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabethan Epaulettes In-Reply-To: <20060501193045.14039.qmail@web25602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060501193045.14039.qmail@web25602.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 17:00:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44567705.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k41L115T022106 Status: RO Another simple one is to get wide gross grain ribbon, I like two inches or wider, use about a half a yard per row, per armhole (for an adult, a child's might not need as much) and usually two rows per. You'll be making loops about an inch and a half to two inches long(3 to 4 inchs total per loop plus seam allowances), start at the front and place the second loop right next to the first and work to the back where you want to stop it. For the second row I stagger it over the first, starting in the center of the first loop, adjusting the length of the loop to what looks good, sometimes the same as the first or shorter. Usually I don't cut the ribbon until I know how many loops and how long each piece is needed. Pin in place again and sew down. Tuck the raw edges inside and finish as required. This can be varied with matching ribbon or constrasting, or even two different colors in the ribbon. Because you are dealing with prefinished ribbon you don't have lots of edges to finish and the gross grain ribbon has lots of body so it will have the curl long after most fabrics have flattened out. alex On 5/1/06, Jayne Thomas wrote: > > Hi! Joan > > Thanks for your message! The problem is that the bodice pattern is a > hybrid of a Simplicity pattern and the 1569 bodice pattern out of JH's book > enlarged to sort of the correct size (my daughter still has a bit of > 'toddler tum'!), which I made without too many problems. I drafted the > epaulette base out of JH, which was too short, so I lengthened it, so in > theory it would go around the back of the armhole, which I think is > happening in the diagram on page 67. The problem is that I am trying to > make the JH pattern fit the Simplicity armholes. I thought rather than make > 'the square peg fit the round hole', I would try some other Elizabethan > shoulder decoration, and make it original, rather than copying a painting, > but at the same time, I don't want it to have the Simplicity Halloween > look! I will have a go at the crescent -shaped shoulder decoration, and see > how it looks. > > All The Best > Jayne > > > --------------------------------- > Win tickets to the 2006 FIFA World Cup Germany with Yahoo! 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Status: RO Quoting Susan Data-Samtak : > Kathy- > > The site says Temporarily Unavailable when I try to view it. I suspect that that PDF may be big enough to trip up the Geocities bandwidth restriction. I think I got 4 pages the first time I tried! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 17:36:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41La30S022916 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:36:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41LZtv7009097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 17:35:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41LUWDT006781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41LUVmc073361; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41LUPd2073277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29288 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FafyS-0006fz-7o for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:30:33 -0500 Message-ID: <05e801c66d66$78330860$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Lady and the Unicorn (smell) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 16:30:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44567F3B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" > If you like this style, I encourage you to look at other secular > tapestries from the period. There are a number on hunting, winemaking, and > other courtly pursuits that are full of nobles without allegorical > significance. Look carefully, though, as often tapestries do tell tales of > historical or mythological heroes and heroines, and it can be easy to > confuse them. Also, be extremely cautious of the decoration you see on garments in tapestries--At best, they tend to be on wrong scale for that garment; most commonly, they're completely wrong for the situation/social strata of the person depicted (for example, 4" deep goldwork embroidery on the edges of the garment of a hunter, or extremely fancy embroidery on the hem of the kilted up skirt of a peasant trampling grapes). The overall style of the garment is often spot on, but the decoration on the garment is almost always "what looks good on a tapestry" rather than "how they would have actually decorated that garment." -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 18:12:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41MCCUq023810 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:12:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41MC3FR030510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 18:12:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41MBJbT012883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 16:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41MBDBJ011816; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:11:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41MB74K011661 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A76C017C; Mon, 01 May 2006 18:10:52 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.145 ([209.131.80.145] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 1 May 2006 18:10:46 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c66d6c$7f410160$915083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005f01c66d5b$7c51b960$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] I'm Back (Long) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:13:33 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 18:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445687B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Penny what a wonderful time you have had! I look forward to viewing all the info you have generated for us. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny" To: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] I'm Back (Long) I am back from Florida! Wow what a trip! I was only supposed to be there for two weeks. The John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art in Sarasota invited me to photograph their collections for a week. So I stayed an extra week and took about 1,500 photgraphs. Bradenton/Sarasota is a mecca for thrift and outlet stores. I had to buy a second suitcase and ship back home five boxes of things we purchased. I have two sisters who are addicted to shopping. When I returned to Virginia, I was hired to teach Contempary Fashion History (1850-1990) for the summer semester at Virginia Commonwealth University. One of my dream jobs! I might be hired to teach it in the fall too. They have opened up this course to the entire School of the Arts. Back to Florida... John Ringling was one of the five Ringling Brothers of the circus fame. John and Mable also were big art collectors. On my first day, we went through the Circus Museum and Cá d'Zan, the 47 room mansion of John & Mable Ringling, to decide what we wanted to photograph. The house was completed in 1925 and was the Ringlings' winter home. The first shoot was in the circus costume gallery. Most of the costumes were from the 1950s. Here is a link to one of the photos of the costumes. http://www.costumegallery.com/Library/temp/Girl045A.jpg Later that day, we did a photoshoot of the exterior of the Cá d'Zan. Here is a front view of the mansion: http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/2housefront150.jpg . You can't see the mansion's tower because the palm trees block the view. Here is one of the many images of a Venice Carnivale that is painted on the Gameroom's ceiling of the Cá d'Zan. http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/mansion4_035w.htm The artist was Willy Pogany, a famous children's book illustrator, costume designer for opera and theater, and was employed by Florence Ziegfeld. This massive collection was painted in the mid-1920s on canvas in New York City. Mr. Pogany installed the paintings in 1925-26 on the ceiling of the Gameroom. I have not counted but there are about 30 very large paintings and several smaller ones of people in this room. I took 91 photos of the Carnivale ceiling. I laid flat on the floor to take the Carnivale photos. Next I photgraphed the square columns in the GameRoom. Three sides of each column were painted masks for the Carnivale. I guess, there was about 16-20 columns. The Gameroom took up a large majority of the third floor. Another ceiling was painted by Mr. Pogany, the Ballroom. The ceiling is called Dancers of the Nations. There are 22 panels of international dancers set in octagon gilded coffers. In each corner of the room was a painting of a couple doing American dances. I have the Ballroom webpages about 50% complete. I have large detailed photos of each set of dancers. You can see video of the Cá d'Zan on the Ringling website: http://www.ringling.org/tours/ca_dzan/court.htm . When you look at the Ballroom, point your cursor towards the ceiling and you will see the Dancers of the Nations. The official website for the museum is http://www.ringling.org/index.asp A big thrill of the week, was doing a photoshoot of Mr. Ringling's wardrobe. They have an extensive collection of his shoes, canes, hats, suits, and ties. The majority of his wardobe was purchased on Fifth Ave. in NYC. I spent two days photographing his wardrobe. The staff at the museum was wonderful! I didn't get to visit their art museum. I ran out of time. But I was told that the art museum has a collection of 75 hand fans. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 20:58:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k420wFbl027934 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:58:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k420w6IM027053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 20:58:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k420vj14034903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 18:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k420vPqt044966; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k420vHlQ044863 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.60.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.60] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FajCW-0000Dj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 01 May 2006 20:57:16 -0400 Message-ID: <4456BC58.7050103@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:56:40 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Short sleeves References: <050120062036.49.4456714D0002B72B0000003122007348409C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 20:58:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4456AE9E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > I know this is brought up every year when it becomes warmer. I'm > trying to remember if there were some images in some of the Book of > Hours of women with mid length sleeves on women. http://www.folkstory.com/images/june.jpg From the Tres Riches Heures of the Duc de Berry Sorry, I was writing in haste in response to the Unicorn Tapestry question. Short sleeves do not always equal fantasy. Caution is advised when there are short sleeves edged with some sort of trim, though. (Have I got it right this time, Robin?) And you generally see chemise sleeves rather than bare arms underneath. Melanie, who will now be good and return to working on her French hoods paper _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 21:27:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421RZAk028686 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:27:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k421RQ5w011193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 21:27:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421KoRZ037405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 19:20:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421Kmlg061439; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421KibQ061321 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from picmajik@aol.com) Received: from ibm65aec.bellsouth.net ([68.217.57.249]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060502012037.NVTN19017.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm65aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:20:37 -0400 Received: from debra ([68.217.57.249]) by ibm65aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060502012036.HKIE542.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@debra> for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:20:36 -0400 From: "Debra" To: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605012016.k41KFFAd001510@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] need to change email address please X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 21:27:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4456B57E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My current email address is picmajik@aol.com. I need to change mailings to my new address: picmajik@bellsouth.net. Thanks! I really enjoy the exchange of ideas on this site. Debra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 21:28:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421SJXD028708 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:28:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k421SAZE008116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 21:28:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421Rm3D038528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 19:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421RkNY066757; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421RgkA066711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-220-9.tpgi.com.au [220.244.220.9]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k421RemN027909 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 11:27:41 +1000 Message-ID: <001b01c66d87$9b40de10$09dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] need to change email address please Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:27:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.144]); Mon, 01 May 2006 21:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4456B5AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Follow the link at the bottom of every email you get from this list to make those sort of changes. As yesterday was the first of the month you will have recieved an email yesterday with the subject 'mail.indra.com mailing list memberships reminder' you'll need the password in that email to log in and make changes. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] need to change email address please > > My current email address is picmajik@aol.com. I need to change mailings to > my new address: picmajik@bellsouth.net. > > Thanks! > I really enjoy the exchange of ideas on this site. > Debra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 21:38:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421cb2S028956 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 21:38:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k421cSjB024928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 21:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421c5wL039928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 19:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421c36Z074252; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k421bvpT074151 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09547 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:11:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:11:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Short sleeves In-Reply-To: <4456BC58.7050103@faucet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 21:38:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4456B814.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 1 May 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > > I know this is brought up every year when it becomes warmer. I'm > > trying to remember if there were some images in some of the Book of > > Hours of women with mid length sleeves on women. > > http://www.folkstory.com/images/june.jpg > From the Tres Riches Heures of the Duc de Berry > > Sorry, I was writing in haste in response to the Unicorn Tapestry > question. Short sleeves do not always equal fantasy. Caution is > advised when there are short sleeves edged with some sort of trim, > though. (Have I got it right this time, Robin?) And you generally > see chemise sleeves rather than bare arms underneath. There was indeed a short-sleeved underdress style in the 15th c. that you see occasionally worn over a chemise with no overlayer. The women doing fieldwork in the TRH that Melanie points out are wearing something similar to this, but I have some hesitation about this particular picture because of the class level depicted in this dress. There are a reasonable number of images of fieldworkers, and this is the only one I've seen in which they are wearing fitted short-sleeved dresses. I suspect that they have been idealized for the purposes of creating an idyllic peasant scene for the Duke's book. Actual peasants seem more commonly to be dressed as shown elsewhere in that manuscript -- with looser gowns, and long sleeves. Still, you can probably make a short-sleeved fitted dress like this without too much problem, as there is support for it for middle- or upper-class women. However, I have never seen a woman in a medieval European image with bare arms, unless she is undressed. Use linen and lightweight wools, and you won't be as hot as you'd think. But of course it does get much hotter in many parts of the States, and when you start dealing with those 80- and 90-degree temperatures, you're going to have to make a non-period compromise to suit a non-period weather situation. (If the Middle Ages had occurred in Kansas, the clothing would have looked different.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 22:03:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4222vsP029582 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:03:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4222mDb009547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 22:02:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4222OiI043022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 20:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4222MMA091918; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4222IHb091805 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from picmajik@aol.com) Received: from ibm65aec.bellsouth.net ([68.217.57.249]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060502020213.RVHZ19017.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm65aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:02:13 -0400 Received: from debra ([68.217.57.249]) by ibm65aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060502020213.HXZU542.ibm65aec.bellsouth.net@debra> for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:02:13 -0400 From: "Debra" To: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 22:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605020138.k421c3PC074265@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I need 395 sent in digest form, it attached each email separately X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Mon, 01 May 2006 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4456BDC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 1 22:39:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k422dqdT030475 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:39:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k422dhET027897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 1 May 2006 22:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k422dWEd046999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 1 May 2006 20:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k422dWSX018056; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp103.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k422dRS5017917 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 53874 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 02:39:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Status: RO One can also follow the link at the bottom of each h-cost message and request your password. The password reminder (the on-demand one as well as the auto reminder) will only come to your h-cost subscribing address(es) another elizabeth (young) Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Follow the link at the bottom of every email you get from this list to > make those sort of changes. As yesterday was the first of the month you > will have recieved an email yesterday with the subject 'mail.indra.com > mailing list memberships reminder' you'll need the password in that > email to log in and make changes. > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:20 AM > Subject: [h-cost] need to change email address please > > >> >> My current email address is picmajik@aol.com. I need to change >> mailings to >> my new address: picmajik@bellsouth.net. >> >> Thanks! >> I really enjoy the exchange of ideas on this site. >> Debra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 08:19:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42CJ0wd016288 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 08:19:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42CIpnM018944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 08:18:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42CIHfY012543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 06:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42CI9Sj096064; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail4.tpgi.com.au (mail4.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42CI3JJ096002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-220-251.tpgi.com.au [220.244.220.251]) by mail4.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k42CI0fJ001336 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:18:01 +1000 Message-ID: <004801c66de2$74f9eb10$fbdcf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Short sleeves Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:18:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 02 May 2006 08:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44574E2B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Short sleeves > > On Mon, 1 May 2006, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >> roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >> > I know this is brought up every year when it becomes warmer. I'm >> > trying to remember if there were some images in some of the Book of >> > Hours of women with mid length sleeves on women. >> >> http://www.folkstory.com/images/june.jpg >> From the Tres Riches Heures of the Duc de Berry >> > There was indeed a short-sleeved underdress style in the 15th c. that you > see occasionally worn over a chemise with no overlayer. The women doing > fieldwork in the TRH that Melanie points out are wearing something similar > to this, but I have some hesitation about this particular picture because > of the class level depicted in this dress. There are a reasonable number > of images of fieldworkers, and this is the only one I've seen in which > they are wearing fitted short-sleeved dresses. I suspect that they have > been idealized for the purposes of creating an idyllic peasant scene for > the Duke's book. Actual peasants seem more commonly to be dressed as shown > elsewhere in that manuscript -- with looser gowns, and long sleeves. > --Robin There's also the early 16th century book of hours by Simon Bening which shows a very similar style of dress, which you can see here http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work/ (the second half of the page the first half has the Tres Riches Heures) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 08:39:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42CdSeg016998 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 08:39:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42CdJDg001713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 08:39:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42CcvgQ015116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 06:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42Ccsoj010674; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k42CcoKt010581 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14354 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 12:38:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 12:38:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060502133720.01dc2a10@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:38:41 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> References: <0DA23C8A-EF18-4796-86BA-652A9512A821@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Web site of Ecclesiastical Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 02 May 2006 08:39:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445752F7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Status: RO How expensive? I couldn't find a pricing. De -----Original Message----- I have been looking for this site for ages, simply for reference. They are very, very expensive, but so droolable. http://www.wattsandco.com/ Suzi _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 15:37:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42JbIfU001714 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42Jb9Wa024141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42JadAO099233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 13:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42JaZYI099421; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k42JaLBu099193 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 62513 invoked from network); 2 May 2006 19:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2006 19:36:18 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060502203337.01dd70e0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:36:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <004801c66de2$74f9eb10$fbdcf4dc@user4712b7d135> References: <004801c66de2$74f9eb10$fbdcf4dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Shirt sleeves fastening - Tudor Tailor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 02 May 2006 15:37:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4457B4E5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone recently posted a query about a shirt sleeve "toggle" fastening. As I have recently finished the job from hell, my brain has turned to mush, and I don't remember the poster, or the question. If you would like to post a repeat to me off list, I can send you a copy of a similar sleeve fastening from my research. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 15:54:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42Js4O3002515 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:54:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42JrtHo006536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 15:53:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42Jrb7s002661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 13:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42JrZP8020020; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42JrW7Y019842 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from roscelinlimoges@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter62.comcast.net ([204.127.205.162]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006050219532601100r4cede>; Tue, 2 May 2006 19:53:26 +0000 Received: from [67.171.202.102] by smailcenter62.comcast.net; Tue, 02 May 2006 19:53:26 +0000 From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com (Historic Costuming) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:53:26 +0000 Message-Id: <050220061953.1504.4457B8B60001DC88000005E022070016419C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: cm9zY2VsaW5saW1vZ2VzQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Off-set lacing holes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 02 May 2006 15:53:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4457B8D3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On the discusscion of placing lacing holes off-set. Does this concern any lacing holes during the Middle Ages through the Elizabethan periods? Roscelin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 16:20:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KKM6J003640 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:20:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42KKDT8031865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 16:20:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KJirf007210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 14:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KJdoN047974; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42JldgU013661 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k42JlYDU012058 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:47:37 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:34:49 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200605020138.k421c3aX074264@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ringling museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 02 May 2006 16:20:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4457BEFD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Penny: You missed a wonderful museum if you missed the art museum! Two years ago on a family trip we stopped to see the mansion on the free day (Monday, BTW), and on the way out I took a peep in the museum -- WOW! Look straight in the door and there is a GIGANTIC Rubens that just knocks your socks off. Well, mine anyway. Two crying kids meant it was time to head back, but the next year I planned an art museum trip! I expected a small collection, but it's really wonderful. The Rubens is from a whole series of "cartoons" he did for a set of tapestries about the Eucharist prefigured in the Old Testament. I think the set is called "The Triumph of the Eucharist." There is one tapestry, which I thought was rather ugly, but there are about a half a dozen of these "throw away" cartoons, which are gorgeous paintings done on paper instead of canvas. There are rooms of medieval and renaissance stuff, and all sorts of other wonderful things. The funniest part was the descriptions of religious paintings. They were all written as if by someone faintly surprised at the whole idea of religious painting, and definitely someone who couldn't imagine that they had any religious significance NOW. "People used to think," "people then believed," etc. etc. The catalogue on the Triumph of the Eucharist is even worse. But it's a great museum and there are lots of pictures and sculptures that are of interest to this list's readers, being different from those you usually see. I didn't see the circus museum, though! That was supposed to be this year, but we aren't going :-( Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 16:52:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KqFxx004892 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:52:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42Kq6mo025948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 16:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KpWsZ013364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 14:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KpT1C082591; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KpOBC082501 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 14:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M1Z9R0Q5IOAKE7DN@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 08:50:31 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M1Z9RS80H89URGLY@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 08:51:08 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 08:50:58 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-set lacing holes In-reply-to: <050220061953.1504.4457B8B60001DC88000005E022070016419C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4457C632.9020701@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <050220061953.1504.4457B8B60001DC88000005E022070016419C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [192.168.128.143]); Tue, 02 May 2006 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4457C676.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: >On the discusscion of placing lacing holes off-set. Does this concern any lacing holes during the Middle Ages through the Elizabethan periods? > > I can think of a few instrances where offsetting wouldn't be helpful-- Venetian v-fronted gowns, for example. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 18:38:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42McHpQ010641 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:38:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k42Mc8eR022289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 18:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42MbRo7032034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 16:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42MbE73089264; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42Mb9wE089159 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20048 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 17:10:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:10:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off-set lacing holes In-Reply-To: <050220061953.1504.4457B8B60001DC88000005E022070016419C0A09010307040207040A0C9C019D@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 May 2006 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4457DF50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 2 May 2006 roscelinlimoges@comcast.net wrote: > On the discusscion of placing lacing holes off-set. Does this concern > any lacing holes during the Middle Ages through the Elizabethan > periods? Only certain ones, depending on the styles, places, and times. You'd have to look at art from the specific period you're interested in to get a specific answer. In my experience, there are very few things you can generalize about in such a wide span of time as "the Middle Ages through the Elizabethan periods." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 2 20:44:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k430iAL2018285 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 20:44:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k430i1WQ022189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 May 2006 20:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k430hSdj052100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 18:43:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k430hEvg099254; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k430h8IU099164 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 18:43:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Fb5SK11ho-00022M; Tue, 02 May 2006 20:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c66e4a$85329dc0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:42:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ringling museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 02 May 2006 20:44:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4457FCD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gail, I so disappointed not the see the art museum, but it would have cost me me $400 extra for airfare to stay another day longer. The next day was good Friday and holiday fares kicked. I could have stayed until April 21st and the fares would have gone down drastically, but I wanted to see my grandbabies for Easter. There are so many good museums out there that people don't realize what wonderful collections they have. When I looked at the Ringling website, there are small phots and very few of them. They just added the videos of the mansion to their website. I really didn't know what they had at the museum, until my preview day for the photoshoot. The public relations director took me all over the site, but the art musuem. The Ringling complex is a bit overwhelming. There is so much there you can't see it all in a week. You will see when all of these photos go online. I was with the Keeper of the Ca d'Zan for four days. FYI, he is called the Keeper instead of curator because the Keeper is a European title. It means the person in charge of the entire mansion. I was doing the shoot in the Gameroom. The Keeper had very limited time that day. He asked, "Don't you want to shoot the ceiling of the Ballroom?" I asked why. Then he explained about how it was painted by the same artist and was of costumed dancers from different nations. When I first went through the Ballroom on preview day, I was talking with the powers-to-be and didn't look up at the ceiling. All the other days, we by-passed the Ballroom to go to the other floors. Because of the time constaint, I shoot the entire Ballroom 22 panels in an about an hour. All the photos in the room turned out wonderful except one or two. They needed tweaking. I think you all will be very surprised when you see the photos. I should have all Ballroom webpages online by next week. Every bit of this mansion is so ornate. It is like opening a Christmas package every time you turn a corner in the mansion. You can tell it that it was made during the art deco period but is called Venetian gothic. I took a lot of photos of the mansion's detailed borders to use as backgrounds on the webpages. I did photograph a good amount of the rose garden's statues. But didn't have time to stop and smell the roses. I really wanted to spent more time in the rose garden, but ran out of time. Growing roses is one of my hobbies. The statue photos will go into my Costume Heaven series that contains costumes in statues. I photographed a couple of the 18th Century tapestries in the mansion. Not sure how well they turned out because the photos are so large at this moment. I would love to go back and photograph more of the tapestries. The circus costume museum is the last museum before the mansion. The sign is not very large. I didn't get into the costume storage area because they are in the process of moving it. The asst. curator said that it will be in its new location next spring. I would also like to see the costume collection at their opera house. If anyone if planning a trip to Orlando, you might want to take a side trip to Sarasota and visit the Ringling Museum. It is well worth it! Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 01:23:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k435NkOF030913 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 01:23:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k435Nbrw023928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 01:23:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k435NASS087018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 2 May 2006 23:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k435N3wi094651; Tue, 2 May 2006 23:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k435MTpg094378 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 23:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 81474 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 05:22:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 05:22:23 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060503062018.01e20518@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 06:22:08 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Web site of Ecclesiastical Fabrics In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060502133720.01dc2a10@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k435MTpg094378 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 01:23:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44583E59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:19 02/05/2006, you wrote: >How expensive? I couldn't find a pricing. >De >-----Original Message----- >I have been looking for this site for ages, simply for reference. >They are very, very expensive, but so droolable. > >http://www.wattsandco.com/ > >Suzi You need to ask for whatever fabric you want. When I was there 15 years ago or so, they had cloth of gold at over £100.00 per metre, and the fabric I used for the houppelande on my web site was about £38.00 per metre! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 03:00:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4370iFi022903 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 03:00:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4370axv019194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 03:00:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k437011B097127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 01:00:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k436xsgL056184; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52206.mail.yahoo.com (web52206.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k436xpI4056100 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 36436 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2006 06:59:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T/uD81nAt0lRL7l8R8q8FmMSNvqFg4sncsSDOazl+IajQZv1yoPu1FX0UfFfCRqJuqPm8V546QeGId5s6xrx1TXpLEL1PZk32zcC/x4Z+xHfsRjiZjEXoJRIsghCtJymh+NOPkHJZaC4vTPySSZqYmQf9S6COGkoBjIwwMHfHNc= ; Message-ID: <20060503065946.36434.qmail@web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.216.226.32] by web52206.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2006 02:59:46 EDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 02:59:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] email about books gone missing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 03:00:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44585514.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone posted two books that were on sale at David Brown but I can't find the email. I've looked everywhere but it seems I must post to find out the name of the book I was going to look for. One was on cochineal dye and the other was??? Brin Kendall --------------------------------- Have a question? Yahoo! Canada Answers. Go to Yahoo! Canada Answers _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 04:11:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k438BXau002068 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 04:11:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k438BO5m005000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 04:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k438B4Aj003862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 02:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k438B1Jh000331; Wed, 3 May 2006 02:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k438AuT5000269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 02:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-216-10-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.216.10]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k438AsWg003667 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:10:56 +1000 Message-ID: <001a01c66e89$1a465670$0ad8f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:10:54 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] corded petticoats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 04:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445865AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone, I'm considering making a corded petticoat to wear under my Tudor (1530s-1540s) gowns but I've got a cotton velvet gown I'd like to wear over it and I'm concerned that a corded petticoat won't support the weight of about 3-4m of velvet. If anybody has tried wearing a velvet skirt over a corded petticoat how well did it stand up to the weight? -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 06:31:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43AVbEh002507 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:31:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43AVSfL019749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 06:31:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43AUxL6016805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 04:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43AUq1b089396; Wed, 3 May 2006 04:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43AUoMj089332 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 04:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E075100FC for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11031-01-60 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A56B85100F4 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c101c66e9c$94cca170$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66e4a$85329dc0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: ringling museum Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:30:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 06:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44588680.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > If anyone if planning a trip to Orlando, you might want to take a side > trip to Sarasota and visit the Ringling Museum. It is well worth it! > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner I have a dear friend I grew up with whose (now ex) wife was the one who introduced me to Ren Faires and the SCA. His brother graduated from the Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Clown College. He also was in charge of the jail at the Michigan Ren Faire the first year I went, 1994. And you know, knowing that family, I wasn't at all surprised. grins Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 08:24:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43COIPN011513 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:24:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43CO9t5028225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 08:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CNnCl046515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 06:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CNgLN069447; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k43CNa92069286 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:23:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 81726 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 12:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 12:23:31 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:23:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 08:24:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4458A0E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a group of dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg and here. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied from a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 years ago for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be asking the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 08:33:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CXWxI011886 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:33:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43CXNO2012624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 08:33:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CX2EB047616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 06:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CX0il077081; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CWuYl077018 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k43CWuZ0054617 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f601c66ead$b4620c80$220310ac@glregion.net> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:32:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 08:33:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4458A313.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k43CXWxI011886 Status: RO Hello everyone, I'm new to the group! Suzi, I just wanted to tell you that I think these costumes are great! Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a group of dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg and here. http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied from a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 years ago for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be asking the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 08:47:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CllSc012480 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:47:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43Clc8i003455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 08:47:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CkdlO049076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 06:46:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CkbMS087536; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43CkXBe087479 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 06:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247a9.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.169]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 33D3D8A008F for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:46:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003001c66eaf$a457afa0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:46:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 08:47:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4458A66A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, OOOOOOOOOh, how nice they are. Great costumes, and gorgeous collours. Thanks for the pics. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix > > Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a group of > dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ > > You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg > and here. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg > > The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied from > a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 years ago > for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. And why the > lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be asking > the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 09:32:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43DVw0c014090 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:32:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43DVnUA022860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 09:31:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43DStid053898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 07:28:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43DSkpu021132; Wed, 3 May 2006 07:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43DSgJV021076 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 07:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 943585964 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 03 May 2006 08:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: <010401c66eb5$8d539980$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:19:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 09:31:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4458B0C5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied from > a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 years ago > for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. And why the > lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be asking > the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! GREAT clothing! I love the one on the left in the first photo. Anyone who needs to argue with a customer about *Why* proper foundations are needed should keep a link to the first photo. Even my unpracticed eye can see the difference. The middle dress is beautiful, but it would be so much nicer looking with the corset under. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 10:22:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43EM1a6015738 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 10:22:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43ELquA028280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 10:21:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43EGIce061071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 08:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43EGG4L066211; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k43EGA6Y066043 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 74253 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 14:16:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 14:16:04 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060503151428.01e1f7c8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:16:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix In-Reply-To: <400.f75c5c.318a1317@aol.com> References: <400.f75c5c.318a1317@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 10:21:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4458BC80.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:07 03/05/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:24:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question >I shall be asking the next time I see her - her dress looks great >with the corset! > > > >*********************** > >I see you bumped her off before the 2nd pic. > >Very lovely. I especially like the all gold gown....the one hiding behind >that big stone ball in the second pic. :-P Bring her to the front, will ya?! That's my favourite too - lovely bronze shot taffeta, and subtle gold trim (well, compared to the others that is!). I hope to go and take my own photos later in the year. Suzi >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 14:34:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43IYQVc026653 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:34:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43IYHpH018843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 14:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43E7jLm059949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 08:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43E7f88058467; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43E7a0u058213 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.400.f75c5c (3948) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 10:07:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <400.f75c5c.318a1317@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 10:07:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 14:34:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4458F7A9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/3/2006 8:24:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be asking the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! *********************** I see you bumped her off before the 2nd pic. Very lovely. I especially like the all gold gown....the one hiding behind that big stone ball in the second pic. :-P Bring her to the front, will ya?! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 14:57:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43Iv1IE027851 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:57:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43Iurvb022691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 14:56:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43IuAOs010193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 12:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43IsobY022484; Wed, 3 May 2006 12:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43IqowW020939 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 12:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k43IqoXu080736 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <018201c66ee2$c6c6a810$220310ac@glregion.net> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <30a.3a1f8b9.318a4ed2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:52:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] busks with clasps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 14:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4458FCF5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k43Iv1IE027851 Status: RO Does anyone know when the busks with clasps came into use? From the reading I have been doing, it seems as if the "busk" referred to in 16c costuming was a solid piece of wood or whalebone, rather then two seperate pieces that clasped together. Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 16:34:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43KXtZY000715 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:33:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43KXkqA019503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43KSckV026333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 14:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43IUC9S000636; Wed, 3 May 2006 12:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43IMP6S093388 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 12:23:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.30a.3a1f8b9 (58677) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: <30a.3a1f8b9.318a4ed2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:22:10 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5027 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] faggoting stitch X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 16:33:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445913AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anyone tell me when this stitch came into use in sewing for joining two pieces of material? Thanks, Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 16:52:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43KqW2V001874 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:52:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43KqNgu006721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:52:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43Kq66S030486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 14:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43KpmLH035402; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:51:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43Kojpv034262 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.314.3f347a8 (30739) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <314.3f347a8.318a7195@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:50:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - 1895 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 16:52:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44591807.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 4/29/2006 1:09:42 AM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: On 4/28/06, Dawn wrote: > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa 1895". > If you want some excellent patterns for the Victorian period, try patterns from the "Truly Victorian" Company. www.trulyvictorian.com They have patterns from pre-Civil War (1830) through the 1890's. And their site has a photo gallery so you can see the different combinations of bodices and skirts for daytime and evening ballgown wear. If you are looking for something that is more historically based, try this. You won't regret it. I've made their bustle petticoat in a workshop at Costume College, and last year made my first 1885 bustle ballgown and the instructions were clear and understandable. Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 16:55:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43KtkEf002011 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:55:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43KtcOg007908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:55:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43Ks1UZ030886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 14:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43Ks0UU037715; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43KqJVp035889 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.246.aeaf201 (30740) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:52:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <246.aeaf201.318a71fa@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:52:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] busks with clasps To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 16:55:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445918CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/3/2006 2:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, natalieae@voyager.net writes: Does anyone know when the busks with clasps came into use? After the 1840s I believe. Before that it was a solid thing....bone [rarely whale bone though], wood, and eventually metal. The split busk has a few manifestations itself.... like the spoon busk of the 1880s. And it must be said it's really for ease in getting out of the corset, and only nominally for simplifying the getting into the corset. One should loosen all the lacing until it can be clasped around one easily [at least you didn't have to remove the lacing altogether]. Then, once closed up the front, the laces can be pulled tight. But to think you can just wrap it around you and do it up and voila! is wrong. [some people try, y'know.] One of my old teachers at school hated spit busks. She thought they took too long to put in the corset and didn't work well. She's one of those who expected to just do up the corset CF and be done. When she later became head of the costume department, she had all the split busks on existing corsets replaced with....are you sitting?.... separating industrial zippers. Yep. And she teaches to this day, I suppose, her students to do this. She thinks it's so very clever. I say she has rendered the corsets useless. They have huge zippers up the CF fer Christ sake! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 17:04:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43L4A98002352 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:04:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43L42mS014518; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43L3Y14032540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 15:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43L3Jo7047124; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:03:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k43GBYcS079237 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 10:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79177 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2006 16:11:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l8iteARHSQ0pA3ha50Hsm/sD4vKTliA3nKrEsdnDjBc/BS4lHDBYT2+toqZ4di1AT3cDlQ00GRqUoofdeYUb8NwbkFadWE2eQsGJexl4XUsCSKPBRC1hOeP/mOohzL++INBrPXdorIa8v/VXJyx7Rgzva4BvA1yC3tN1SDjj62U= ; Message-ID: <20060503161122.79175.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2006 09:11:22 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] cloak hoods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 17:04:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44591AC2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, I need some help with making hoods for (fantasy) cloaks, such as often appear in the movies like Lord of the Rings etc. I've searched though the internet and I found really a few, the only pattern I tried was one by Randall Whitlock - the page I got it from doesn't work any more - it looked like the hood on this web page: http://home.clara.net/arianrhod/Aldebaran/DoItYourself/Cloak02.html but instead of 33 cm it was 45 and instead of 26cm 45 again and there was no rounding, the hood was pointed. But that one was not what I wanted. It was not so wide and it was sort of standing out from the neck, I mean the hood was not partly lying on the shoulders, as often seen. I'm just asking if you have any experiences about that and if you have any idea how the patterns of the hoods here on the web pages could look like. One thing that suprised me was that I found that Galadriel's hood was of a semi-circular pattern, where the curved part was gathered to the neck opening. But it looks quite wide, I must say. http://www.jedielfqueen.com/lotr/costumes/Galadriel/cloakhood.jpg What do you think about gathering? Can you make a wide hood without it? http://search.msn.com/images/details.aspx?q=cloak+hood&color=both&size=1p&ht=400&wd=200&tht=128&twd=64&su=http%3a%2f%2ffantasy.dawndreams.com%2fcostumes.html&iu=http%3a%2f%2ffantasy.dawndreams.com%2fcostumes%2fcloakhood_blue_side.jpg&tu=http%3a%2f%2fimages.picsearch.com%2fis%3f2942056471169&sz=32 http://www.cloaksofireland.com/pics/Renaissance/LadyAoife/Lady_Aoife_Large.jpg http://www.bodyhangings.com/cloaks/kinsale.jpg http://www.cloaksofireland.com/Kerry3.jpg Please, if you have any advice or some links on te web, let me know. Zuzana Zuzka __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 17:17:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LH3gZ003343 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:17:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43LGqHf008325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LGdna035011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 15:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LGYjT060552; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k43JCQqL039025 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 2306 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 12:10:48 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2269, pid: 2294, t: 3.7459s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 3 May 2006 12:10:44 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060503121035.02399f48@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:12:12 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] busks with clasps In-Reply-To: <018201c66ee2$c6c6a810$220310ac@glregion.net> References: <30a.3a1f8b9.318a4ed2@aol.com> <018201c66ee2$c6c6a810$220310ac@glregion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 17:16:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44591DC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:52 AM 5/3/2006, you wrote: >Does anyone know when the busks with clasps came into use? From the >reading I have been doing, it seems as if the "busk" referred to in >16c costuming was a solid piece of wood or whalebone, rather then >two seperate pieces that clasped together. > >Natalie >_______________________________________________ Apparently they were patented in the early-mid 19th century. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 17:21:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LL4d7003813 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:21:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43LKtLV015392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 17:20:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LKcwo035865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 15:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LKaHv064527; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav3.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LKTlQ064404 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:20:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 03 May 2006 21:20:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:22:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 May 2006 21:20:28.0825 (UTC) FILETIME=[66DB1890:01C66EF7] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 17:20:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44591EB7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I love the red dress on the left end@ Can you/anyone tell me about that one? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix > > Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a group of > dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ > > You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg > and here. > http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg > > The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied from > a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 years ago > for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. And why the > lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be asking > the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 17:35:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LZZ7o005183 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:35:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43LZQWO022226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 17:35:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LYx1r038301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 15:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LYlq1078820; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LYLPV078385 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k43LYLg7001683 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:34:21 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.54.249] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-54-249.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.54.249]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LXnZa208204 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:34:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060503142255.033c1cf8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 14:26:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] busks with clasps In-Reply-To: <018201c66ee2$c6c6a810$220310ac@glregion.net> References: <30a.3a1f8b9.318a4ed2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 17:35:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4459221E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Does anyone know when the busks with clasps came into use? From the >reading I have been doing, it seems as if the "busk" referred to in 16c >costuming was a solid piece of wood or whalebone, rather then two seperate >pieces that clasped together. Those soft pre-1830s corsets still have one-piece busks, and the 1850s ones have the two-piece ones. So the change must have come sometime in between them, probably as steel became more common. Sometime after 1850 petticoats go from starched cotton and corded cotton to spring steel. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 18:02:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43M23bB006962 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:02:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43M1ssf022451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 18:01:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43M1WLb043230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:01:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43M1O21005981; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43M1CvP005743 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03329 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:01:02 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - 1895 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:00:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - 1895 Thread-Index: AcZu85ygxTaizhulSXiRVLeoR9/0HAABkkkg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k43M1CvP005743 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 18:01:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44592852.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have this pattern; picked it up at the latest $1.99 sale. The blouse/vest is faux and attached somehow to the jacket. For a commercial pattern, the style and cut of the jacket is pretty impressive. But you gotta be tall to pull off that mid 1890's look! The skirt is a bit weird in the picture. I haven't looked at the actual pattern pieces, but from the look of the skirt on the model, the possibility is 1)the proper petticoats and little bustle pad aren't being worn underneath and/or 2) the skirt is of too lightweight a fabric and not lined or interlined sufficiently to hold both the shape and the trimming. I believe the intent of the pattern is for stage production and or for turn-of-the-century celebrations many towns and cities hold in the summer. It is probably a replacement for an older Simplicity pattern that was a kind of 1898-1901 Belle Epoque style. There were three views: two blouse/skirt combinationations and a nautical top and skirt. I am hoping to see some new patterns from Martha McCain in the Simplicity collection, or something really 18th c, Directorie, or Regency in cut. Since the "Titanic" craze is done and Martha McCain covered the Civil War era so well, I'd like to see more authentic patterns for other eras made for a wider audience. Some of the current "RenFaire" type offerings can be altered to a more authentic cut, for those of us without in person access to shops carrying authentic patterns and fabrics--and when you are choosing patterns and fabrics, there are times when you need to look at the patterns, and handle fabrics and trims, not depend on the 'Net. McCalls and Butterick are due for their summer pattern books, so they might have some offerings as well. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 18:11:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MBZla007345 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43MBQPJ021634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 18:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LB43I034070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 15:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LB3Om054991; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:11:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LAw84054841 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.410.909408 (30739) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:10:47 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: <410.909408.318a7657@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:10:47 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: cloak hoods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 18:11:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44592A8E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/3/2006 1:12:44 PM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] cloak hoods Hi all, I need some help with making hoods for (fantasy) cloaks, such as often appear in the movies like Lord of the Rings etc. I've searched though the internet and I found really a few, the only pattern I tried was one by Randall Whitlock Hi Zuzana! The answers to your cloak questions can be found at LOTR_Costume@yahoo.com. They have done the Galadriel capes and others and could give you the help you need. Also try the website - www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr . That is a treasure trove of things to make! Good Luck! Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 18:14:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MELs8007483 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:14:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43MEC3O000911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 18:14:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MDIiL044986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MDCxp017752; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MD2aP017499 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE150A6C3F for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:12:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44592AEF.2060301@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 17:13:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods References: <20060503161122.79175.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060503161122.79175.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 18:14:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44592B34.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > What do you think about gathering? Can you make a wide hood without it? You need some way to bring in the fullness at the neck, so if you don't use gathers then you need to take large darts. > > Please, if you have any advice or some links on te web, let me know. > I'm not entirely sure what kind of hood you're looking to make. If you want one that lays on the shoulders, you need to make it taller, so that the extra length on the sides of the head can relax onto the shoulders. If you don't want a point in back, then round it off. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 18:23:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MNOxL007869 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:23:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43MNGSb023918; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MMTVN046617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MMLLM026342; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k43MMDWW026107 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14058 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 22:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 22:22:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060503231037.01e254b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:11:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix In-Reply-To: References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 18:23:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44592D54.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 22:22 03/05/2006, you wrote: >I love the red dress on the left end@ Can you/anyone tell me about that one? >----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" What do you want to know about it? Suzi >>Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a >>group of dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ >> >>You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. >>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg >>and here. >>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg >> >>The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress >>copied from a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made >>about 20 years ago for a previous customer, which is why it needs >>re-fitting. And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset >>is a question I shall be asking the next time I see her - her dress >>looks great with the corset! >> >>Suzi >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 18:23:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MNb4v007879 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:23:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43MNStG031172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 18:23:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MN66V046705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MMjL8026715; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MMW8A026547 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from genteelarts (oh-69-34-23-175.dyn.sprint-hsd.net [69.34.23.175]) by smtpauth00.csee.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056C432C018 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:22:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Carolann Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] busks with clasps Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:22:10 -0400 Organization: Genteel Arts Message-ID: <002601c66f00$0b320b30$0700a8c0@genteelarts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <018201c66ee2$c6c6a810$220310ac@glregion.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 18:23:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44592D60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From "Victorians Unbuttoned" by Sarah Levitt: "In 1853 Caleb Hill, a stay manufacturer of Cheddar, Somerset, registered a version of what was soon to become the standard fastening: a split metal busk, one side bearing studs, locked into 'keyholes' in the other. Many firms followed suit." I haven't had a chance to check the US Patent database to see what they have. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 1-4, 2007 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 19:31:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43NVFmQ012156 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:31:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k43NV7Wp017742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 19:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43NUMpR057608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43NUBNm090399; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com ([216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43NU5h3090261 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABC2AE804F6; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:24:50 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - 1895 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <005201c66f09$826da390$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <314.3f347a8.318a7195@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I made a costume like this for a show once, but I put kick pleats where this shows only different colored material. Maybe this was an attempt to get that look without actually making the pleats? Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of FyneHats2@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 1:50 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Simplicity 4156 - 1895 In a message dated 4/29/2006 1:09:42 AM Central Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: On 4/28/06, Dawn wrote: > This is new, and Wow, I love the sleeves! > > http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4156/4156.jpg > > > The skirt looks a bit odd to me though. Has anyone had a good look at > this yet? Is it based on something real? I see they date it as "circa > 1895". > If you want some excellent patterns for the Victorian period, try patterns from the "Truly Victorian" Company. www.trulyvictorian.com They have patterns from pre-Civil War (1830) through the 1890's. And their site has a photo gallery so you can see the different combinations of bodices and skirts for daytime and evening ballgown wear. If you are looking for something that is more historically based, try this. You won't regret it. I've made their bustle petticoat in a workshop at Costume College, and last year made my first 1885 bustle ballgown and the instructions were clear and understandable. Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 21:20:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k441KdYa017875 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:20:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k441KUks016092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 21:20:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k441K1Wq071458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 19:20:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k441JqMv076074; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav5.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k441JmQv076033 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 19:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:19:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 May 2006 01:19:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503231037.01e254b8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:21:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2006 01:19:48.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5AF46D0:01C66F18] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 21:20:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445956DE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is that style of dress come from a specific portrait and called a certain dress like the Eleanora de Toledo gown? Do you have a place I can get a similar pattern so I can make one for myself? I have lots of popular made patterns but not that one. I love the red and the split front. Any suggested online sources or images I can refer to long the way? I'm making one for my daughter from the Princess Elizabeth portrait 1545. It looks great so far. I love it. I can't wait to make one for myself. I thought of making several for us as we start our journey into Ren Faires and SCA events. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix > At 22:22 03/05/2006, you wrote: >>I love the red dress on the left end@ Can you/anyone tell me about that >>one? >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > > What do you want to know about it? > > Suzi > >>>Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a group of >>>dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ >>> >>>You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. >>>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg >>>and here. >>>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg >>> >>>The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied from >>>a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 years >>>ago for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. And why >>>the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I shall be >>>asking the next time I see her - her dress looks great with the corset! >>> >>>Suzi >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 22:37:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k442bTcQ022300 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:37:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k442bIf8023508; Wed, 3 May 2006 22:37:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MMTkC046618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43MMNp6026374; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k43MMEHR026111 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:22:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 14071 invoked from network); 3 May 2006 22:22:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2006 22:22:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060503232110.01e32b60@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:22:03 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] busks with clasps In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060503142255.033c1cf8@mail.frys.com> References: <30a.3a1f8b9.318a4ed2@aol.com> <4.3.1.2.20060503142255.033c1cf8@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 22:37:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445968DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 22:26 03/05/2006, you wrote: >>Does anyone know when the busks with clasps came into use? From the >>reading I have been doing, it seems as if the "busk" referred to in >>16c costuming was a solid piece of wood or whalebone, rather then >>two seperate pieces that clasped together. > >Those soft pre-1830s corsets still have one-piece busks, and the >1850s ones have the two-piece ones. So the change must have come >sometime in between them, probably as steel became more >common. Sometime after 1850 petticoats go from starched cotton and >corded cotton to spring steel. I believe crinoline, or sprung steel, was patented in about 1855/6 Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 3 23:15:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k443FO5E024338 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:15:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k443FFpl027425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 3 May 2006 23:15:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k443Dw7o086170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 21:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k443DqGC063895; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k443DlWS063768 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m93.in-tch.com [216.166.191.93]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k44346Y18967 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:04:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001501c66f29$cace5560$5dbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <30a.3a1f8b9.318a4ed2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] faggoting stitch Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:21:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 03 May 2006 23:15:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445971C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There are some 16th and early 17th century shifts that use something very similar to hold the pieces together.... --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: [h-cost] faggoting stitch > Can anyone tell me when this stitch came into use in sewing for joining two > pieces of material? > > Thanks, > > Nancy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 01:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k445QopQ030658 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 01:26:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k445Qgwi025906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 01:26:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k445PqmA001693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 May 2006 23:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k445PmwT061881; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k445PhsR061765 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 57049 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 05:25:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.133.233.0 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 05:25:37 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060504061631.01e2d1c8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 06:25:41 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix In-Reply-To: References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060503231037.01e254b8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 01:26:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44599092.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:21 04/05/2006, you wrote: >Is that style of dress come from a specific portrait and called a >certain dress like the Eleanora de Toledo gown? Do you have a place >I can get a similar pattern so I can make one for myself? I have >lots of popular made patterns but not that one. I love the red and >the split front. Any suggested online sources or images I can refer >to long the way? >I'm making one for my daughter from the Princess Elizabeth portrait >1545. It looks great so far. I love it. I can't wait to make one for >myself. I thought of making several for us as we start our journey >into Ren Faires and SCA events. No, the dress is not from a particular portrait, but is a similar style to many Elizabethan dresses. I draped the pattern from Jean Hunnisett's 1569 "Young Girl" pattern, as I don't use paper patterns. All the underwear is also from Hunnisett. The only thing I made up myself is the puffed oversleeves. All the dresses are based on the same pattern, except the Titian copy, which was based on the earlier pattern in the Hunnisett book. Just Google for "Tudor Images" or "Elizabethan Images". I have a very large library of costume books, postcards and photographs, and as I have been making costumes for a very long time, I have loads of images in my head - I don't often use online sources unless it is something specific, like my recent request for pregnant Tudor ladies for a student of mine. Hope that helps suzi >>>>Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a >>>>group of dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ >>>> >>>>You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. >>>>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg >>>>and here. >>>>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg >>>> >>>>The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress >>>>copied from a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I >>>>made about 20 years ago for a previous customer, which is why it >>>>needs re-fitting. And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a >>>>corset is a question I shall be asking the next time I see her - >>>>her dress looks great with the corset! >>>> >>>>Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 07:21:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44BLvZ1013373 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 07:21:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44BLmmh006690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 07:21:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44BL86A035614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 05:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44BL33l012803; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav6.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44BL0Xm012737 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 05:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 May 2006 04:20:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 May 2006 11:20:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060428.073018.2332.1.Cley@juno.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060503131636.01e1d0e8@127.0.0.1><6.2.3.4.0.20060503231037.01e254b8@127.0.0.1> <6.2.3.4.0.20060504061631.01e2d1c8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:22:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2006 11:20:57.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0B43560:01C66F6C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 07:21:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4459E3CC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have both of her books so I can start there. I've been researching Tudor/Elizabethan garments since last October so I'm always looking for more images to look at and study. I also have the Margo Anderson sets but haven't cut them yet. I've copied them onto other paper. I've borrowed the Queen Elizabeth Unlocked book from the library (lots of information in that one that I really didn't need to know). I've joined discussion boards for questions and tips. I've found so many I'd like to make but just don't have the money or time to make them all, so I decided on 2- an Eleanor de Toledo type and an Anne Boline one for when my daughter plays Princess Elizabeth. She wants us to dress alike but I think that is close enough. We'll be the same time period. I love the paned sleeves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Mary Queen of Scots" Costume Pix > At 02:21 04/05/2006, you wrote: >>Is that style of dress come from a specific portrait and called a certain >>dress like the Eleanora de Toledo gown? Do you have a place I can get a >>similar pattern so I can make one for myself? I have lots of popular made >>patterns but not that one. I love the red and the split front. Any >>suggested online sources or images I can refer to long the way? >>I'm making one for my daughter from the Princess Elizabeth portrait 1545. >>It looks great so far. I love it. I can't wait to make one for myself. I >>thought of making several for us as we start our journey into Ren Faires >>and SCA events. > > No, the dress is not from a particular portrait, but is a similar style to > many Elizabethan dresses. I draped the pattern from Jean Hunnisett's 1569 > "Young Girl" pattern, as I don't use paper patterns. All the underwear is > also from Hunnisett. The only thing I made up myself is the puffed > oversleeves. All the dresses are based on the same pattern, except the > Titian copy, which was based on the earlier pattern in the Hunnisett book. > > Just Google for "Tudor Images" or "Elizabethan Images". I have a very > large library of costume books, postcards and photographs, and as I have > been making costumes for a very long time, I have loads of images in my > head - I don't often use online sources unless it is something specific, > like my recent request for pregnant Tudor ladies for a student of mine. > > Hope that helps > > suzi > > >>>>>Earlier in the year, you may remember I made some costumes for a group >>>>>of dancers called Danse Ecosse http://www.apux03.dsl.pipex.com/ >>>>> >>>>>You can now see a photo, if you are interested, here. >>>>>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006003.jpg >>>>>and here. >>>>>http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/Sistersuzi/Various4thMarch2006008.jpg >>>>> >>>>>The lady on the right in the first picture is wearing a dress copied >>>>>from a Titian painting of Isabella of Portugal, which I made about 20 >>>>>years ago for a previous customer, which is why it needs re-fitting. >>>>>And why the lady in the middle is not wearing a corset is a question I >>>>>shall be asking the next time I see her - her dress looks great with >>>>>the corset! >>>>> >>>>>Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 11:27:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FRh11022520 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:27:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44FRYDp014763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 11:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FR78e069980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 09:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FQtbP030976; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44FQnfX030750 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:26:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97734 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2006 15:26:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QJvEuOyoq0TlfcLvACqO/VBsRqeCCcbrs4++ZgfrqsQqzDp5SmfR/r176IlBVQzCHLW0nhM9sXZKT8vwvtbUW54VXNmVxWkxFXHUTfanMDWTmDHBaZIf9dJ5uOuCzHPS8OXzTreUnMoG6Te4g/kX/q73GIVgZEdVYC3sMcaBhIY= ; Message-ID: <20060504152643.97732.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2006 08:26:43 PDT Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <44592AEF.2060301@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 11:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A1D66.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm looking for a rather wide hood like on the links I wrote before - surely they must be tall, but the question is, should they be gathered or pleated at the neck or not. One thing I really can't think out is this kind of hood: http://www.cloaksofireland.com/Kerry.htm it looks quite Ok with me but the gathering in the middle of the back part surprises me. How could such a pattern look like? Dawn wrote: Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > What do you think about gathering? Can you make a wide hood without it? You need some way to bring in the fullness at the neck, so if you don't use gathers then you need to take large darts. > > Please, if you have any advice or some links on te web, let me know. > I'm not entirely sure what kind of hood you're looking to make. If you want one that lays on the shoulders, you need to make it taller, so that the extra length on the sides of the head can relax onto the shoulders. If you don't want a point in back, then round it off. 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FareChase _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 11:44:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FiQb5022920 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:44:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44FiIlD026156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 11:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FhcrL077191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 09:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FhXbR048726; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:43:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44FhSkP048540 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 34327 invoked by uid 60001); 4 May 2006 15:43:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UlCuuYwMrG/CYDD6gLd2pgBOXZQRl/v+ECWDlNFTu3bgiNcyI1Ksz+F9gl9CQyBZ1W9wg5vKGUPDwUvwqfS1Qlx7XccR4SwCrUSoRmcUwx3A1frzX0l7MqoDLU0Cz3in+ArOrp6eDVqTSB6yvAytfWBdvBdGzL1E53G2w7lbtPQ= ; Message-ID: <20060504154323.34325.qmail@web25607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.5] by web25607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:43:23 BST Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:43:23 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] More Questions! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A2152.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! First of all, many thanks for the suggestions for the shoulder decorations, which I have sorted out! Secondly, just as I solve one problem, I have more questions! At the end of April, there where some messages about eyelet placing (safely stored in one of many e-mail folders!), and I wondered if the same rules apply for my daughters bodice, as Jean Hunnisett (the pattern is on page 68) seems to have hers matching at the back, rather than offset, as I have read on this group. The back of my daughters bodice measures 23cm from top to bottom. Many Thanks! Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 11:48:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FmBrA023046 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44Fm2kX000915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 11:48:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Fljvu078879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 09:47:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FleMn053198; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44FlWjx052964 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1810A6C35 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <445A221D.2070000@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 10:47:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods References: <20060504152643.97732.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060504152643.97732.qmail@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 11:48:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445A2232.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I'm looking for a rather wide hood like on the links I wrote before - surely they must be tall, but the question is, should they be gathered or pleated at the neck or not. One thing I really can't think out is this kind of hood: http://www.cloaksofireland.com/Kerry.htm > it looks quite Ok with me but the gathering in the middle of the back part surprises me. How could such a pattern look like? > I think you could do it either way, you could narrow the hood at the neck so there's no pleating, or you could cut it deeper so there is some. The gathering in back, well, you just make gathers along the seam. This brings in the fullness so you don't have a point in the back. Get some muslin and play with hood shapes. You can even make them in doll sizes. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 12:31:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44GVLlV024032 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:31:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44GVCed021972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 12:31:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44GUUco096973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 10:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44GUKam097432; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44GOUBM091147 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3b7.2b4182f (3858) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3b7.2b4182f.318b84af@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 12:31:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A2C50.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/4/2006 11:28:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, zkraemerova@yahoo.com writes: How could such a pattern look like? ************************* Well....that's why you pay for a pattern if you can't figure it out. But if you really want to know....it's on page 30 of Janet Arnold's 1st volume of "Patterns of Fashion". I suggest you take a rectangle of fabric the length you want the opening and the width being the depth you want the hood and start draping it on a person...with a head....since dress dummies don't have heads, as I'm sure you know. It's basically a rectangle arched over the head, with the short sides gathered or pleated into the neck of the cloak and meeting CB...then the back sewn up a bit [ to about height of the crown of the head...8" to 10" I think for a big hood....but it's only like 6" in Arnold] and the rest pleated or gathered closed, fanning out from one point. To reduce some bulk in the back pleating you can make that back side of the rectangle shorter than the front [open] side...which makes it now a trapezoid with the short sides slanting to the CB. Did that make any sense? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 13:04:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44H4NBX024932 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:04:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44H4E3G000755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 13:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44GxESB001192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 11:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44GlPfP012749; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Gl1KD012226 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.25a.a88fed0 (16110) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d44 (mblk-d44.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.228]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID122-3eee445a2ec43d3; Thu, 04 May 2006 12:41:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 12:41:53 -0400 Message-Id: <8C83DB0C8733488-117C-1B5@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> From: chindora@aol.com References: <3b7.2b4182f.318b84af@aol.com> Received: from 70.43.19.134 by mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 May 2006 12:41:53 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <3b7.2b4182f.318b84af@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.228 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 13:04:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445A340E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think you are making this way more difficult for yourself than you need to. There are several good hooded cloak patterns from the major pattern publishers available on the market. You could also check e-bay if you are not in a hurry. I have a couple of different patterns and have had great success with them. Sorry, I am at work and cannot pull up pattern numbers for you, but I am sure that they are fairly easy to find. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: AlbertCat@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 12:24:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods In a message dated 5/4/2006 11:28:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, zkraemerova@yahoo.com writes: How could such a pattern look like? ************************* Well....that's why you pay for a pattern if you can't figure it out. But if you really want to know....it's on page 30 of Janet Arnold's 1st volume of "Patterns of Fashion". I suggest you take a rectangle of fabric the length you want the opening and the width being the depth you want the hood and start draping it on a person...with a head....since dress dummies don't have heads, as I'm sure you know. It's basically a rectangle arched over the head, with the short sides gathered or pleated into the neck of the cloak and meeting CB...then the back sewn up a bit [ to about height of the crown of the head...8" to 10" I think for a big hood....but it's only like 6" in Arnold] and the rest pleated or gathered closed, fanning out from one point. To reduce some bulk in the back pleating you can make that back side of the rectangle shorter than the front [open] side...which makes it now a trapezoid with the short sides slanting to the CB. Did that make any sense? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 15:33:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JXKhp028374 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44JXBNs013284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:33:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JVuhD027482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 13:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JUPDq073386; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JTqEG072802 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:29:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k44JNEDV024673 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:29:47 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 15:16:20 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200605041800.k44I0Y8S087805@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: cordwainer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 15:33:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445A56F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The word cordwainer comes from "cordovan" leather, so it at least implies making shoes out of leather. I don't know what a person who makes chopines is called, but I did like "chopinero"! GAail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 15:37:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Jb5FO028461 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:37:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44Jau9q013860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JaOxH028144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 13:36:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JZeVY077559; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net.net [216.106.88.20] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JZN7Y077163 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0146838030 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:35:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:35:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <008801c66a66$d3f9a6c0$8cbfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Lancastrian collars, the esses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 15:36:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445A57D8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My friend replied to my inquiry About the Lancastrian collars. He said oddly enough he is presently doing research on this subject and collars in general. What he presently has is more then an email could handle but will, when time permits, send me a few sources. My main concern was for the person wearing the collar in Europe and getting in trouble with the law for "pretending to be.....". Answer to this, though the wearer may want to check with the local customs and laws, if he is wearing it with a costume he probably will not run into any trouble. The collar was used as a token of office or as a sign of favor from the Royalty. (So the Thomas More's collar may have been one or both) >From my understanding of the conversation. If the person is trying to be authentic to English wearing of the collar of that period he needs to be noble and above in rank to wear it and know that if he is not of an office that he is "saying " that he has the Royalty's favor. My friend's focus is mainly with the English use of the collars. Present day it is still used in some positions as a collar of office in England. If you find use of the esses collars used outside of England, I would be interested in hearing about it. Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 15:47:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JlNYH028598 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:47:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44JlDkv005945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:47:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JkjQf030285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 13:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JkaU1088389; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueuea.post.tele.dk (pqueuea.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44J8UBu053539 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by pqueuea.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807CA37711D for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:08:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.212]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D8F48A003B for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:07:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c66fae$0adaec70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:07:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 15:47:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445A5A41.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Today i got pictures from my client wearing the stays i made for her. In case some of you would like to see. http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm I also have worked a lot of the projekt with the new suit i am making for myself: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm It was nice to see that my client was happy with the result. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 15:49:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Jn2jw028674 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44Jmq9a016452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:48:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JmUEx030646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 13:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JmNZn090161; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44Fvbg9064169 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 09:57:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7172 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 15:57:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 15:57:28 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060504165316.01e1efb0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 16:57:17 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Questions! 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Status: RO At 16:43 04/05/2006, you wrote: >Hi! > First of all, many thanks for the suggestions for the shoulder > decorations, which I have sorted out! > Secondly, just as I solve one problem, I have more questions! At > the end of April, there where some messages about eyelet placing > (safely stored in one of many e-mail folders!), and I wondered if > the same rules apply for my daughters bodice, as Jean Hunnisett > (the pattern is on page 68) seems to have hers matching at the > back, rather than offset, as I have read on this group. The back of > my daughters bodice measures 23cm from top to bottom. > > Many Thanks! > Jayne Remember that Jean Hunnisett's book, while based on making costumes as accurately as possible from the research she had done, are actually for the theatre. sometimes, when working in the theatre with people who do not have the time to learn the "correct" type of lacing, it is easier to cross-lace, especially if you are touring - I speak from experience. By all means use a single lace with off set eyelets if you want to. I think there are most kinds of lacings on clothing in paintings. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 15:53:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JreM0028756 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:53:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44JrV3f016674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JmB4q030580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 13:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JllHf089558; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:47:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Ht9Wt082350 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 11:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i22so421607wra for ; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=cRXvol/cT4824cBKvDnT5V7zF57SnsgC9Wu5B+U0OEwqrzLeL0V4BIfFrTjYNLC+7kaoMbbhzN4rfpIRj7Yr17HrcoH2DlfkF0WXMn7WFn0r/OP/VzjCcbcppaxlwibwx6Lh1oSYOp6EwahwuYbZmNnhkAQX+sDlOWt/T1zKbsk= Received: by 10.54.103.19 with SMTP id a19mr1365263wrc; Thu, 04 May 2006 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.9 with HTTP; Thu, 4 May 2006 10:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:54:34 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k44Ht9Wt082350 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 15:53:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445A5BBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Corwainers cobblers... what's what? I was at 16th dance practice last night and one of the gents said he had to leave early to complete his cordwaining responsibilities. Since I know he's making a pair of chopines I puzzled whether this is the right word. Someone suggested "cobbler". Another suggested chopine-ista, to which yet another said was a great name for the wearer of chopines. Another posited "chopiñero" (that's the spanish n with the tilda on top) as the maker of chopines. Corwainers cobblers chopiñeros... what's what? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.comñ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 16:17:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KHQQX029312 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:17:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44KHHlR020472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 16:17:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KGjFk035917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 14:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KGZNQ017778; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44KGOnX017536 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 12516 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 13:09:43 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 12465, pid: 12476, t: 10.0766s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 4 May 2006 13:09:33 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060504130744.022b4280@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 13:09:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays and your new suit In-Reply-To: <000501c66fae$0adaec70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c66fae$0adaec70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445A614D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:07 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Today i got pictures from my client wearing the stays i made for >her. In case some of you would like to see. >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > >I also have worked a lot of the projekt with the new suit i am >making for myself: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > >It was nice to see that my client was happy with the result. > >Bjarne The stays look good on your client. And your new project is lovely (as usual). I like your idea of embroidering over the ribbon. I'm looking forward to seeing the entire suit. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 16:31:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KV5Kn029676 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:31:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44KUuEp002178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 16:31:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KUX6Z037942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 14:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KULWU029698; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KOgr4024909 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:24:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A2FF03D8; Thu, 04 May 2006 16:24:31 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.141 ([209.131.80.141] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 4 May 2006 16:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c66fb9$20b67860$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? 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Status: RO Just checked my dictionary for 'cordwainer'and got a second note that cordwainers also are/ can be specialists for certain parts of shoemaking.(Perhaps the party-leaving gent had some tweaking to do in the shop?) I am not sure, but I think that cobblers were more responsible for shoe repair and not necessarily shoe making. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? > Corwainers cobblers... what's what? > I was at 16th dance practice last night and one of the gents said he > had to leave early to complete his cordwaining responsibilities. > Since I know he's making a pair of chopines I puzzled whether this is > the right word. Someone suggested "cobbler". Another suggested > chopine-ista, to which yet another said was a great name for the > wearer of chopines. Another posited "chopiñero" (that's the spanish n > with the tilda on top) as the maker of chopines. > > > Corwainers cobblers chopiñeros... what's what? > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.comñ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 17:05:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44L5VPs030218 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:05:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44L5LI4016010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:05:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44L4cpm045134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44L3b0T059868; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44L3B3Z059384 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.212]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F7FCA5003C for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:02:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002501c66fbe$218dfa60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c66fae$0adaec70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060504130744.022b4280@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays and your new suit Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:02:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 17:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A6C91.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays and your new suit > The stays look good on your client. And your new project is lovely (as > usual). I like your idea of embroidering over the ribbon. I'm looking > forward to seeing the entire suit. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net Hi, Many thanks. The idea with embroidery on top of the ribbon was a new thing i learned from the book about 18th century embroidery teckniques. There is a chapter with an embroidered waistcoat, wich has a border ribbon, embroidered. Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 17:11:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LB7Kf030305 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:11:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44LAwk0029526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KwtNV043964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Jvn6U099559; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JvPAd099162 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44JvN11017967 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 14:57:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "klh" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? 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Status: RO A cobbler repairs shoes, and a cordwainer makes shoes. Chopines? I have no clue :) Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:55 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? Corwainers cobblers... what's what? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.comñ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 17:11:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LBTvd030309 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:11:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44LBJPH020241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44KwtNX043964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JxcGd001363; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav1.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44JxKqK001031 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 13:59:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 4 May 2006 12:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 04 May 2006 19:58:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c66fae$0adaec70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 16:00:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 May 2006 19:59:00.0873 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FD28F90:01C66FB5] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 17:11:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445A6DF7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I love that stay pattern. I might make one for myself since I've made my first one and it has taught me alot about this type of garment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1740-50 stays > Hi, > Today i got pictures from my client wearing the stays i made for her. In > case some of you would like to see. > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/stays_1740.htm > > I also have worked a lot of the projekt with the new suit i am making for > myself: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > > It was nice to see that my client was happy with the result. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 17:27:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LRVAM030658 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:27:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44LRLDQ026481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:27:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LR9N4048607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:27:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LQxQm079814; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LQrT8079643 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:26:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3e0.18e9508 (15703) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MBLK-M27 (mblk-m27.mblk.aol.com [64.12.136.71]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID54-3d57445a719568; Thu, 04 May 2006 17:26:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:26:59 -0400 Message-Id: <8C83DD89C4DFC64-1310-A64@MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200605041801.k44I0Y8T087805@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by MBLK-M27.sysops.aol.com (64.12.136.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 04 May 2006 17:26:58 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200605041801.k44I0Y8T087805@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.71 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: cloak hoods X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 17:27:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445A71B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think Folkwear's Kinsale Cloak is similar to the one you're describing. http://www.folkwear.com/romantic.html Their Burnoose pattern is also similar, but without the gathering on the back: http://www.folkwear.com/caravan.html Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 17:52:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LqD5k031190 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:52:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44Lq4HP031466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Ljiok050927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LjTYx094678; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LJptq074123 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from nataliexp (c-24-11-144-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[24.11.144.20]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006050421194301300hd43ne>; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:19:44 +0000 Message-ID: <009201c66fc0$95c24a60$0501a8c0@nataliexp> From: "Natalie Cornish" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002c01c66fb9$20b67860$8d5083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cordwainers cobblers... what's what? 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(VPS 0618-2, 05/04/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 17:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A7784.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What era are we talking about? In the classic Brother's Grimm tale, "The Elves and the Shoemaker," the shoemaker is also referred to as a cobbler. Dictionary.com defines a cobbler as one who makes shoes and boots. Dictionary.com also says cordwainer is an archaic word for a shoemaker. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? > Just checked my dictionary for 'cordwainer'and got a second note that > cordwainers also are/ can be specialists for certain parts of > shoemaking.(Perhaps the party-leaving gent had some tweaking to do in the > shop?) > I am not sure, but I think that cobblers were more responsible for shoe > repair and not necessarily shoe making. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cin" > To: "h-cost" > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:54 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Corwainers cobblers... what's what? > > >> Corwainers cobblers... what's what? >> I was at 16th dance practice last night and one of the gents said he >> had to leave early to complete his cordwaining responsibilities. >> Since I know he's making a pair of chopines I puzzled whether this is >> the right word. Someone suggested "cobbler". Another suggested >> chopine-ista, to which yet another said was a great name for the >> wearer of chopines. Another posited "chopiñero" (that's the spanish n >> with the tilda on top) as the maker of chopines. >> >> >> Corwainers cobblers chopiñeros... what's what? >> --cin >> Cynthia Barnes >> CinBarnes@gmail.comñ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 18:01:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44M1j1E031392 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:01:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44M1ZpZ003952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 18:01:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44M0Xa9053096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 16:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44M0RtU007865; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:00:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44LTBk2081825 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 15:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44LT8Gu028248 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 17:28:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk velvet! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 18:01:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445A79BF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Late last night I was surfing the net and clicked on a link that someone here supplied for Distinctive Fabric. Much to my surprise they list silk velvet for only $19 per yard. Being just a tad skeptical (only $19/yard *and* a 100% silk??!!), I emailed them. This is the response I received: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Distinctive Fabric" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Web inquiry (General inquiry) > Yes it's a 100% silk, our suppliers claim it to be and our burn tests > support their claim. Feel free to order samples to judge for yourself. > ___ > Distinctive Fabric Support > 877-721-7269 > http://www.distinctivefabric.com They've got a nice palette of colors in their special order page: http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SILKVELVET1&palette=special_order&expand=1 Special order colors require a minimum 5 yard cut. With regards, kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 18:14:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44ME0sj031577 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:14:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44MDpv0004538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 18:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44MBpAA054523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 16:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44MBgeS016003; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44MBZ7U015844 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 16:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 26351 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 22:11:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 22:11:29 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060504230131.01e232e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 23:11:34 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Lancastrian collars, the esses In-Reply-To: References: <008801c66a66$d3f9a6c0$8cbfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 18:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A7C9F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:35 04/05/2006, you wrote: >My friend replied to my inquiry About the Lancastrian collars. >He said oddly enough he is presently doing research on this subject and >collars in general. >What he presently has is more then an email could handle but will, when time >permits, send me a few sources. >My main concern was for the person wearing the collar in Europe and getting >in trouble with the law for "pretending to be.....". Answer to this, though >the wearer may want to check with the local customs and laws, if he is >wearing it with a costume he probably will not run into any trouble. I never had any intention of getting a collar of SS's for my husband to wear, although someone did suggest it in answer to my query. My problem was always about SCA rules, not about English rules. I have always found the College of Heralds very helpful if your friend does not already know about them, although he may have to wait a while for an answer if he e-mails them. I am very lucky as they are not far from where I live, so I can "call in" when I need information. >The collar was used as a token of office or as a sign of favor from the >Royalty. (So the Thomas More's collar may have been one or both) > >From my understanding of the conversation. If the person is trying to be >authentic to English wearing of the collar of that period he needs to be >noble and above in rank to wear it and know that if he is not of an office >that he is "saying " that he has the Royalty's favor. >My friend's focus is mainly with the English use of the collars. >Present day it is still used in some positions as a collar of office in >England. >If you find use of the esses collars used outside of England, I would be >interested in hearing about it. Thank you for passing on the information. I am sure others will find it interesting if they did not know. suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 19:02:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N2VAx032448 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:02:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44N2Kqb010781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:02:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N1RAm062859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N1Jnp057227; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nasc-out-2.nasc.inter.net (nasc-out-2.nasc.inter.net [203.176.60.254]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N15eo057002 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gwen@moonsandstars.com) Received: from [207.137.21.242] (helo=Wndyc) by app2.nasc.inter.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1Fbmod-0001Hw-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 May 2006 19:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c66fce$9733d360$6c01a8c0@Wndyc> From: "Gwen" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k44N2VAx032448 Status: RO Another place that has silk velvet is thai silks - www.thaisilks.com Their silk velvets are between 16.00 and 27.00 Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: Ailith Mackintosh To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 17:28 Subject: [h-cost] silk velvet! Late last night I was surfing the net and clicked on a link that someone here supplied for Distinctive Fabric. Much to my surprise they list silk velvet for only $19 per yard. Being just a tad skeptical (only $19/yard *and* a 100% silk??!!), I emailed them. This is the response I received: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Distinctive Fabric" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Web inquiry (General inquiry) > Yes it's a 100% silk, our suppliers claim it to be and our burn tests > support their claim. Feel free to order samples to judge for yourself. > ___ > Distinctive Fabric Support > 877-721-7269 > http://www.distinctivefabric.com They've got a nice palette of colors in their special order page: http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SILKVELVET1&palette=special_order&expand=1 Special order colors require a minimum 5 yard cut. With regards, kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 19:13:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NDSFC032614 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:13:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44NDJYj018963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:13:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N6dEV063614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N6XEA061623; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44N6PJ2061477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18233 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbmtg-0004Qy-QU for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <078a01c66fcf$51544b30$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO I _think_ I have a sample of this somewhere already--If I do, and if I still have some bleach around, I'll do a bleach test. Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to say--I'm not thrilled with it. It doesn't look or feel very luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm kind of hoping that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, because I've been hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if that's what it's like... sigh. If my swatch isn't the 100% silk velvet, I'll order a swatch of this stuff and test it. -E House (hasn't had to actually _pay_ for fabric in a long time--it'll hurt if I have to!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 19:15:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NFZqZ032657 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:15:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44NFQ1u019491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:15:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NDQiK064679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NDAJn066977; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:13:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k44ND4Gb066789 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48460 invoked from network); 4 May 2006 23:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2006 23:12:58 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505000905.01e21d18@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 00:12:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! In-Reply-To: <078a01c66fcf$51544b30$9400a8c0@compaqub> References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <078a01c66fcf$51544b30$9400a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 19:15:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445A8B0E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 00:05 05/05/2006, you wrote: >I _think_ I have a sample of this somewhere already--If I do, and if >I still have some bleach around, I'll do a bleach test. > >Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to >say--I'm not thrilled with it. It doesn't look or feel very >luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm >kind of hoping that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, >because I've been hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if >that's what it's like... sigh. If my swatch isn't the 100% silk >velvet, I'll order a swatch of this stuff and test it. > >-E House >(hasn't had to actually _pay_ for fabric in a long time--it'll hurt >if I have to!) I haven't found a source of 100% silk velvet in England that I can afford. What sells as silk velvet here has a rayon or viscose pile, and a 18% silk ground. It burns like 100% silk, and looks like it, but it is rather limp, without the body that silk velvet from earlier times has. Could you remind me of the bleach test, as I would like to test my silk/viscose piece for fun. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 19:43:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Nh8Gb000695 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:43:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44Ngwgs012082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:43:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NgXwV068141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Ndln9087669; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NdgPo087479 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060504233932.UWTT4215.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:39:32 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.162.138]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060504233931.JNC28130.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:39:31 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.392 [268.5.4/332]); Fri, 05 May 2006 11:39:40 +1200 Message-ID: <004501c66fd4$0370ecc0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan><078a01c66fcf$51544b30$9400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20060505000905.01e21d18@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO > >Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to > >say--I'm not thrilled with it. It doesn't look or feel very > >luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. The silk velvet I handled from the 1880s has a very short pile as well. In fact it looked and felt just like a good quality cotton velveteen (washed and dried to soften.) I couldn't tell which direction the pile ran in the sample though as it was made up into a cap. I saw a documentary about Shakespeare at the same time and a bolt of crimson silk velvet was rolled on a table which again was low sheen, fairly stiff to the hand and again looked like a good quality velveteen on screen. They were showing fabric because Shakespeare got a certain amount of red fabric as did other people for some purpose (James' Coronation I think) they were showing what the various fabrics could have been, they thought it likely he got wool though rather than the silk velvet. Needless to say I prefer velveteen I can get to the "silk" velvet I can get for dress before the early 20thC. > I haven't found a source of 100% silk velvet in England that I can > afford. What sells as silk velvet here has a rayon or viscose pile, > and a 18% silk ground. It burns like 100% silk, and looks like it, > but it is rather limp, without the body that silk velvet from earlier > times has. That's what the vast majority of what is sold actually is all around the world. If you can make burnout patterns, it's not pure silk. In fact the pile is a cellulose fibre.1 > Could you remind me of the bleach test, as I would like to test my > silk/viscose piece for fun. Just put a small piece in straight bleach. The silk will totally dissolve, the cellulose fibres will remain. At least after the first few hours. It'll break down eventually. Michaela de Bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 4/05/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 19:43:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Nh8Jn000697 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:43:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44Ngx3x012916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:43:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NgXQU068140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NeDM7088118; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Ne643087992 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A6EB633E99 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:40:05 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lancastrian collars, the esses Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 18:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060504230131.01e232e8@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 19:43:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445A9183.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My friend is the Kingdom Herald. :) But before he was put in the office he was familiar with European heraldry and in particular English. He has contact with European Heralds and I believe he belongs to the French, "Order of the Holy Spirit" so I trust him on knowing Heraldic stuff modern and medieval. But thank you for the recommendation. De -----Original Message----- I have always found the College of Heralds very helpful if your friend does not already know about them, although he may have to wait a while for an answer if he e-mails them. I am very lucky as they are not far from where I live, so I can "call in" when I need information. suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 19:46:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Nkwv9000836 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:46:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k44NknBf027840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:46:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NkVKF068564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 17:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NiBjg091488; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44Ni777091422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18971 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FbnUW-0007bm-7d for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <07a901c66fd4$a223e890$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <002401c66fce$9733d360$6c01a8c0@Wndyc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO Thai Silks doesn't claim to have the 100% stuff, though--they've got the standard silk/rayon blend. Neat iridescent velvet, though. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwen" Another place that has silk velvet is thai silks - www.thaisilks.com Their silk velvets are between 16.00 and 27.00 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 20:27:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450QxM4001541 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k450QoeR000643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 20:26:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450Q6d2073543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 18:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450Q0FO023698; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450PuJ2023645 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-207-119.cvip.net [129.8.207.119]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61F65D0C1 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060504171753.0348eef0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:19:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! In-Reply-To: <002401c66fce$9733d360$6c01a8c0@Wndyc> References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <002401c66fce$9733d360$6c01a8c0@Wndyc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 20:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445A9BCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:00 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Another place that has silk velvet is thai silks - www.thaisilks.com Their >silk velvets are between 16.00 and 27.00 > >Gwen If you look at the fiber content listed online, it is usually 18% silk, 82% rayon. Their "Long Pile/Flat Velvet, 50" " is 20%/80%. If they carry 100% silk velvet, I haven't seen it yet. As to the other store carrying 100% silk, I am willing to order a swatch, and submit it to a burn *and* bleach test, and see what happens. I'm looking for fabrics for my next project anyway. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 20:42:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450gtZp001812 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:42:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k450glaA007306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 20:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450gZHd075994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 18:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450gSvq035815; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k450gION035638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.67] (209-148-120-67.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k450gCLZ020988 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:42:13 -0700 Message-ID: <445A9F65.4090706@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 17:42:13 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO Speaking as someone who owns quite a number of original silk velvet garments from the 19th and early 20th centuries: The length of the pile, and the drape of the velvet, have nothing to do with the fiber content. The modern silk/rayon velvets currently popular for "burnout" designs have the same drape as, and don't look too different from, the silk "chiffon velvets" often used in the 1920s. Victorian velvets tend to be heavier. There is a type of (usually brown) silk velvet, or silk plush, which was heavily used to imitate sealskin for outer garments. It has a distinctly longer pile than chiffon velvet, and is much heavier in weight (and warmer). It is quite an attractive and plausible fake fur. A somewhat lighter and shorter-piled silk velvet was made in any number of colors for non-"sealskin" outer garments. It was also woven in designs onto silk satin backgrounds for the same purposes. Victorian dress velvets were shorter piled, closer to what we think of as a velveteen length, and somewhat lighter. Still, for a style with a lot of yardage, garments made from them can be quite heavy and hot. Although rayon does not have to be shiny, modern rayon velvets tend to be very shiny, excessively so for my taste. Silk velvet has a mild sheen, considerably less than the modern 100% rayon, and only slightly more than a good modern cotton velvet. The latter is a better approximation of a Victorian velvet than most rayon velvets. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming and Vintage Clothing http://www.lavoltapress.com It doesn't look or feel very luxurious, > has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm kind of hoping > that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, because I've been > hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if that's what it's > like... sigh. If my swatch isn't the 100% silk velvet, I'll order a > swatch of this stuff and test it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 21:07:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4517tha002219 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:07:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4517l5M003299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 21:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45170WV078670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4516vYE053723; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NEtNY068265 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-2-82.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.2.82]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 05 May 2006 07:14:49 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,90,1146412800"; d="scan'208"; a="257937649:sNHT16651954" Message-ID: <445A8AE9.4090807@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:14:49 +1000 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO Has anyone purchased from Anjorian silks? I like their colours. http://www.anjooriansilks.com/silk-velvet.html Aylwen E House wrote: > I _think_ I have a sample of this somewhere already--If I do, and if I > still have some bleach around, I'll do a bleach test. > > Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to > say--I'm not thrilled with it. It doesn't look or feel very > luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm > kind of hoping that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, > because I've been hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if > that's what it's like... sigh. If my swatch isn't the 100% silk > velvet, I'll order a swatch of this stuff and test it. > > -E House > (hasn't had to actually _pay_ for fabric in a long time--it'll hurt if > I have to!) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 21:37:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451avCE002679 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:36:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k451am0n032212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 21:36:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451aMva081623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451aHJ7076985; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451ZsHe076722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k453OpKB031112 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:24:51 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO On Thursday 04 May 2006 7:39 pm, michaela wrote: > > >Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to > > >say--I'm not thrilled with it. It doesn't look or feel very > > >luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. > > The silk velvet I handled from the 1880s has a very short pile as well. In > fact it looked and felt just like a good quality cotton velveteen (washed > and dried to soften.) I couldn't tell which direction the pile ran in the > sample though as it was made up into a cap. > I saw a documentary about Shakespeare at the same time and a bolt of > crimson silk velvet was rolled on a table which again was low sheen, fairly > stiff to the hand and again looked like a good quality velveteen on screen. > They were showing fabric because Shakespeare got a certain amount of red > fabric as did other people for some purpose (James' Coronation I think) > they were showing what the various fabrics could have been, they thought it > likely he got wool though rather than the silk velvet. > > Needless to say I prefer velveteen I can get to the "silk" velvet I can get > for dress before the early 20thC. For what it's worth, it is possible to find *wool* velvet. There's a high-end upholstery fabric dealer on Ebay called Carolina Fabrics that sells it. I haven't ordered any, so I don't know what its hand is like, but it doesn't come cheap. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 21:54:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451s6WX002948 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 21:54:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k451rvrU004855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 21:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451r1UZ083449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:53:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451qwHK089479; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k451qtq2089412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.67] (209-148-120-67.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k451qq7d000457 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 18:52:54 -0700 Message-ID: <445AAFF2.9000407@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:52:50 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <6.2.3.4.0.20060505000905.01e21d18@127.0.0.1> <004501c66fd4$0370ecc0$0301010a@michaela> <200605042044.07672.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200605042044.07672.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 04 May 2006 21:54:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445AB035.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Silk Trading company in San Francisco sometimes has 100% silk velvet, but it is heavy upholstery weight and very expensive. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > For what it's worth, it is possible to find *wool* velvet. There's a high-end > upholstery fabric dealer on Ebay called Carolina Fabrics that sells it. I > haven't ordered any, so I don't know what its hand is like, but it doesn't > come cheap. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 4 22:16:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k452G4WE003360 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 22:16:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k452FtiY004404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 May 2006 22:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k452FNRL085528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 20:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k452FL0s006903; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k452FDHK006770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:19057 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fbpqk-0003sF-RR for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 May 2006 21:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <07be01c66fe9$bd64f0d0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan><6.2.3.4.0.20060505000905.01e21d18@127.0.0.1><004501c66fd4$0370ecc0$0301010a@michaela> <200605042044.07672.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > For what it's worth, it is possible to find *wool* velvet. There's a > high-end > upholstery fabric dealer on Ebay called Carolina Fabrics that sells it. I > haven't ordered any, so I don't know what its hand is like, but it doesn't > come cheap. There's also linen velvet--beeyootiful. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 01:02:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4552cB8006300 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:02:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4552SKi015348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 01:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4517YCs078727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 19:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4517XRh054242; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k44NfCLb088919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18957 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FbnRh-0007O9-Co for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 04 May 2006 18:41:22 -0500 Message-ID: <07a501c66fd4$39f1b6d0$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan><078a01c66fcf$51544b30$9400a8c0@compaqub> <6.2.3.4.0.20060505000905.01e21d18@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" > Could you remind me of the bleach test, as I would like to test my > silk/viscose piece for fun. Cut a swatch of the fabric in question, and put it in a small, covered container with enough bleach to cover the fabric. Leave it for a few hours, or up to a day or two. Any protein content will dissolve in bleach, leaving behind whatever, if anything, was blended with it. A couple of caveats: first, use relatively new bleach, as it looses its efficacy surprisingly fast; second, bleach, like everything else under the sun, has been linked with cancer. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 02:01:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4561OY4007838 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 02:01:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4561FqO001108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 02:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k455xDYr010706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 May 2006 23:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k455x9wV061434; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k455x5bp061376 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 4277 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 06:04:01 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 May 2006 23:04:01 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 May 2006 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1068.67.174.246.110.1146808896.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <07be01c66fe9$bd64f0d0$9400a8c0@compaqub> References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan><6.2.3.4.0.20060505000905.01e21d18@127.0.0.1><004501c66fd4$0370ecc0$0301010a@michaela> <200605042044.07672.cathy@thyrsus.com> <07be01c66fe9$bd64f0d0$9400a8c0@compaqub> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 23:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Silk velvet...a question..... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 02:01:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445AEA2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Since we are talking about silk velvet..... ...If I can find it and offer it for sale, how much are you willing to pay per yard for it? And remember that it will have at least 3 times as much silk in it as a dupioni or taffeta..... You can send responses directly to me at dch@inreach.com Thanks for helping me to know my audience better :~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 03:26:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k457QP1A004073 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 03:26:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k457QGdY014418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 03:26:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k457PqrZ017754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 01:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k457PnsO017088; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:25:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k457Pj89016961 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 01:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47327 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 07:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 07:25:30 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505082007.01dc6300@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 08:25:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lancastrian collars, the esses In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060504230131.01e232e8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 03:26:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445AFE19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 00:40 05/05/2006, you wrote: >My friend is the Kingdom Herald. :) But before he was put in the office he >was familiar with European heraldry and in particular English. He has >contact with European Heralds and I believe he belongs to the French, "Order >of the Holy Spirit" so I trust him on knowing Heraldic stuff modern and >medieval. But thank you for the recommendation. >De > >-----Original Message----- >I have always found the College of Heralds very helpful if your friend does >not already know about them, although he may have to wait >a while for an answer if he e-mails them. I am very lucky as they are not >far from where I live, so I can "call in" when I need information. For anyone who doesn't know, the College of Arms (my mistake above - not the College of Heralds - wrote that in the middle of the night!) was initiated by Richard lll, I believe in 1485. These are the people who supervise the granting of arms by her Majesty the Queen, and draw up mottoes, coats of arms etc. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 07:40:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45BeSTp019318 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 07:40:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45BeKIr027094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 07:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Bdtnd069359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 05:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45BaEYm090430; Fri, 5 May 2006 05:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45BaAqJ090392 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 05:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FF5936999 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 06:36:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Lancastrian collars, the esses Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 06:36:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505082007.01dc6300@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 07:40:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445B39A4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah okay. :) That would still have confused me a bit as the SCA heraldry "powers that be" are also called College of Arms. Though it is King Laurel at Arms that is the head of the CoA. I believe that he knows of them but to what extent I am not sure. I pick up bits and pieces about heraldry from those who study it. My main interest in heraldry when I find the time is heraldic display, which I haven't found time of late as I have been quite busy. Thank you for the url. De -----Original Message----- For anyone who doesn't know, the College of Arms (my mistake above - not the College of Heralds - wrote that in the middle of the night!) was initiated by Richard lll, I believe in 1485. These are the people who supervise the granting of arms by her Majesty the Queen, and draw up mottoes, coats of arms etc. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 08:50:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45CoHFk022164 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:50:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45Co6sQ000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 08:50:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Cmf5R085205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 06:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45CmchF042166; Fri, 5 May 2006 06:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav16.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.88]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45CmYGE041998 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 06:48:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 May 2006 05:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 05 May 2006 12:48:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: shoulderroll site...saragrace.us....was ....RE: [h-cost] Alternatives To Elizabethan Epaulettes Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 05:48:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c67042$2fee59e0$0301a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001b01c66cc8$0ca6e100$a5ddf4dc@user4712b7d135> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2006 12:48:20.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[30407180:01C67042] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 08:50:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445B49FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Whoops...I guess I never let anyone know...my site is here: www.saragrace.us Same ole stuff unfortunately...life has been in my way... Sg (aka WickedFrau) -----Original Message----- http://web.archive.org/web/20050209184231/www.saragrace.net/3A_SHLDR_ROL L_by_sg.htm (the original site has disappeared but fortunately it's still available via web archive) and you can try various ways of decorating it such as faked _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 09:41:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45DfpNc025046 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 09:41:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45DfhOa027411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 09:41:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45DfM6W097879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 07:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45DfK7N085303; Fri, 5 May 2006 07:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts25.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45DfGtT085241 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 07:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.18]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060505134115.MIUA28586.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 09:41:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: To: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 9:41:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060505134115.MIUA28586.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Plain Weave Silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 09:41:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445B5617.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO All this talk about silk has got me thinking (dangerous, dangerous!) does anyone here have a good source for reasonably priced plain woven silk? I'm looking for shot silk in a medium shirt weight, somewhat crisp. Never having had the pleasure of actually getting my hands on silk taffeta, I don't know if that would be the right weight for the project I have in mind. I do know where I can get this in Toronto, but I don't get to that part of town more than once a year, mail order might be more convenient. :-) Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 10:20:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45EKFwv026962 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:20:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45EK4IQ013911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 10:20:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45EJO6N005467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 08:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45EJIkk018081; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k45EJCqL017868 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 68203 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2006 14:19:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Sk1Tn8nx7uy+We5X349skg9i5yjBfVA5ZJ1NF9ysJFd44Ce9hgtuZeBGMy9wl3eKdVp9BN56xzpI3+ZTC0Fy7Bgf1pdzkgHtd7GDEXjcXo4PDcg1RJJnQcGhIYFLxb+l/enqbFeFr+ejXvaJCC8u1wzzK+KtM+exQ9XgMt/sD6c= ; Message-ID: <20060505141906.68201.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:19:06 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 1630s suit - breech waist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 10:20:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445B5F15.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear all I am making a suit for a friend, based on the 1630s engravings by Bosse - doublet and breeches, since he already has a shirt and another friend is making his collar and cuffs. What I can't work out is the waist of the breeches: in Historical Costume in Detail, the development seems to be from points laced through the doublet to the outside, forming decorative bows (which remain after their functional job is gone) to using solid metal hooks on the inside of the doublet. None of this sits with the informal wear shown in Bosse, where the breeches are shown sitting at the natural waist or below the paunch since the doublet is generally worn open from mid-chest. Would they be gathered onto a solid waistband and then buttoned (as the flies were buttoned) or was there a 'drawstring' type option? Bucknell shows both styles, from the very wide 'bag' breeches to the narrower 'spanish' breeches, as being fastened to the doublet lining - but wouldn't that give (being blunt) the wearer a bit of a wedgy, especially since they are required for fencing? I hope that someone who has worn or made a pair before has some feedback on their comfort - it's not a style I've ever worn myself and I ain't fond of modern trousers either! :-) Thanks again - it's nice to be doing something different and a new type of research.. Katherine S. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 10:36:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Eakhk028127 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:36:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45Eab2i020742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 10:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Ea6Hj008775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 08:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Ea4ne033129; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k45EZwFB032962 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 60177 invoked from network); 5 May 2006 14:35:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2006 14:35:52 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060505153102.01dc8888@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:35:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1630s suit - breech waist In-Reply-To: <20060505141906.68201.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060505141906.68201.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 10:36:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445B62F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:19 05/05/2006, you wrote: >Dear all > >I am making a suit for a friend, based on the 1630s engravings by >Bosse - doublet and breeches, since he already has a shirt and >another friend is making his collar and cuffs. > >What I can't work out is the waist of the breeches: in Historical >Costume in Detail, the development seems to be from points laced >through the doublet to the outside, forming decorative bows (which >remain after their functional job is gone) to using solid metal >hooks on the inside of the doublet. > >None of this sits with the informal wear shown in Bosse, where the >breeches are shown sitting at the natural waist or below the paunch >since the doublet is generally worn open from mid-chest. Would they >be gathered onto a solid waistband and then buttoned (as the flies >were buttoned) or was there a 'drawstring' type option? > >Bucknell shows both styles, from the very wide 'bag' breeches to the >narrower 'spanish' breeches, as being fastened to the doublet lining >- but wouldn't that give (being blunt) the wearer a bit of a wedgy, >especially since they are required for fencing? > >I hope that someone who has worn or made a pair before has some >feedback on their comfort - it's not a style I've ever worn myself >and I ain't fond of modern trousers either! :-) > >Thanks again - it's nice to be doing something different and a new >type of research.. >Katherine S. There are good clear patterns in "Cut of Men's Clothes" by Norah Waugh, and in "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620" by Janet Arnold. You will find the Arnold the most helpful I think. (You can lace the breeches to the doublet on the inside, without the bows showing on the outside, or you can make hooks and bars to join them If your friend is planning on being particularly energetic, a theatre trick worth noting is to sew the hooks on so they hang from a short piece of elastic, sewing them to the doublet, and sew the bars to the breeches - it allows a bit more ease than sewing everything on tight.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 11:06:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45F6AiT029608 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:06:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45F61eE005349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 11:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45F0QAe014010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 09:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45F06CJ053950; Fri, 5 May 2006 09:00:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Exbtl053630 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c7.2498900 (58550) for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3c7.2498900.318cc250@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:59:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] cloak hoods To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 11:06:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445B69D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/4/2006 12:49:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, chindora@aol.com writes: I think you are making this way more difficult for yourself than you need to. ******************** It's not difficult at all. But, like trying to describe in words how to tie your shoes, it sounds difficult. Trapezoid...long end open...short slanted sides gathered to neck & meeting CB....back sewn up a bit then the rest gathered or pleated fan-like...VOILA! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 11:22:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45FM0NA030305 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:22:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45FLq30004320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 11:21:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45FKu29018613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 09:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45FKgin072348; Fri, 5 May 2006 09:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45FKSRa071964 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 09:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k45FKBh02434.; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:20:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 May 2006 16:20:11 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:19:49 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1630s suit - breech waist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88, clamav-milter version 0.87 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k45FKSRa071964 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 11:21:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445B6D90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I made a man's civilian suit for myself when I gave up soldiering (to wear when I didn't feel like trailing round in petticoats). I used a borrowed pattern (Merchant Adventurers, I think). The breeches are gathered onto a solid waistband closed with two buttons, and not attached to the doublet (although I know that is correct for the period). I think most of the men in my group wear breeches with a waistband. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 13:35:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45HZBFE004202 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:35:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45HZ233024958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 13:35:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45HYRol045433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 11:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45HYIvY009930; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45HYC3Q009726 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 11:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.263.99fa371 (29673) for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <263.99fa371.318ce68a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:34:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1630s suit - breech waist To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 13:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445B8CC6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 5/5/2006 10:37:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: (You can lace the breeches to the doublet on the inside, without the bows showing on the outside, or you can make hooks and bars to join them If your friend is planning on being particularly energetic, a theatre trick worth noting is to sew the hooks on so they hang from a short piece of elastic, sewing them to the doublet, and sew the bars to the breeches - it allows a bit more ease than sewing everything on tight.) ***************** Yes, the elastic trick is good. And, if you want that open doublet look with a bit of shirt showing at the waist, the breeches [hosen, really I guess if worn with a doublet] can be just hooked or laced across the back. It occurred to me you can lace to tie it up with elastic, if no one sees it. If you look at an etching ... _http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html_ (http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html) _http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html_ (http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html) ...you'll see how high the doublet waist is. A bit of shirt showing in front [as in the man seated at the easel] just emphasizes this fashion trait. Just linking them in the back would work for this. You'll also see how full the breeches are in the crotch...and if the rise of the crotch seam is sufficient in the back, no wedgies. I don't know if it's period or not but you could cut the waistband wider [higher] CB than in the front. And split it CB with a lace there like in some 18th century breeches. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 15:49:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Jmtk4011161 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 15:49:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k45JmkF5024203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 15:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Jlngo077063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 13:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k45Jlfh0044187; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k45Jl7aa043670 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 13:47:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 5121 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2006 19:46:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1mwVzQ/KQR8FnXk25DcOazg1TOdTehpHZ4prBRsUT8X76cwMOJI7+16NI4zpaz1MCSO8WFjnMJfEbgPJrgosMkX+74I+UDX18KSm4M/aj/BkyJLwO4v2DFkVbjqa5hwFj+d9MlKIAIOg3x6aGUa9dl5qWRL0iFeGa3zTslnMvNk= ; Message-ID: <20060505194623.5118.qmail@web25704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 19:46:23 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605051802.k45I0eBn037518@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 403 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 15:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445BAC1E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you all so much - that is extremely useful and practical help :-) I've got PoF coming from the library so will draft from that, but definitely go for the elastic trick and hey, if it's not authentic enough then it ain't my wedgy or me sewing the hooks and bars back on... Looking forward to getting started and posting the photos eventually, Thanks again, Katherine S ********************************************** Message: 3 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 15:35:50 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke There are good clear patterns in "Cut of Men's Clothes" by Norah Waugh, and in "Patterns of Fashion 1560-1620" by Janet Arnold. You will find the Arnold the most helpful I think. (You can lace the breeches to the doublet on the inside, without the bows showing on the outside, or you can make hooks and bars to join them If your friend is planning on being particularly energetic, a theatre trick worth noting is to sew the hooks on so they hang from a short piece of elastic, sewing them to the doublet, and sew the bars to the breeches - it allows a bit more ease than sewing everything on tight.) Message: 5 Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 16:19:49 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" I made a man's civilian suit for myself when I gave up soldiering (to wear when I didn't feel like trailing round in petticoats). I used a borrowed pattern (Merchant Adventurers, I think). The breeches are gathered onto a solid waistband closed with two buttons, and not attached to the doublet (although I know that is correct for the period). I think most of the men in my group wear breeches with a waistband. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor Message: 6 Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:34:02 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Yes, the elastic trick is good. And, if you want that open doublet look with a bit of shirt showing at the waist, the breeches [hosen, really I guess if worn with a doublet] can be just hooked or laced across the back. It occurred to me you can lace to tie it up with elastic, if no one sees it. If you look at an etching ... _http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html_ (http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html) _http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html_ (http://www.relewis.com/BosseStudio.html) ...you'll see how high the doublet waist is. A bit of shirt showing in front [as in the man seated at the easel] just emphasizes this fashion trait. Just linking them in the back would work for this. You'll also see how full the breeches are in the crotch...and if the rise of the crotch seam is sufficient in the back, no wedgies. I don't know if it's period or not but you could cut the waistband wider [higher] CB than in the front. And split it CB with a lace there like in some 18th century breeches. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 20:46:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460kFNx020524 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 20:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k460k6ql002132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 20:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460jgqn030856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 18:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460jYRI007127; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460jUmJ007087 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so735761wri for ; Fri, 05 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XCCHESCUF3lE5/+BneJISaZZyzXm09L0iW0wjeDzW800c956d705ilAfbRywL//N+Itl4pXSFEZRVFfYQMjQj/MBHFG87mDGCBqlN/w2JInBCbCAW6+Q90Qf+/C4ZMe6bsz5nwZiJuFJlSslr+9XsG585Q3wGp6RBm+gO0TyTug= Received: by 10.54.135.17 with SMTP id i17mr3230025wrd; Fri, 05 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605051801.k45I0eBm037518@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605051801.k45I0eBm037518@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k460jUmJ007087 Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 403 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 20:46:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445BF1CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I am making a suit for a friend, based on the 1630s engravings by Bosse - doublet and breeches... What I can't work out is the waist of the breeches: in Historical Costume in Detail, the development seems to be from points laced through the doublet to the outside, forming decorative bows (which remain after their functional job is gone) to using solid metal hooks on the inside of the doublet. >None of this sits with the informal wear shown in Bosse, where the breeches are shown sitting at the natural waist or below the paunch since the doublet is generally worn open from mid-chest. Would they be gathered onto a solid waistband and then buttoned (as the flies were buttoned) or was there a 'drawstring' type option? There's an example in Naomi Tarrant's book/Scottish Natl Costume Museum... 4 nice photos. to explain just how the hooks, WB and CF stiffener work to create the look. The doublet exterior fabric is pretty well shot, so all the interior construction details are visible, including a bit of whale bone vertically at the CF belly. I use a 19th style covered button placket as that's what Himself prefers. There's no requirement in my circle for slavish historicity. >Bucknell shows both styles, from the very wide 'bag' breeches to the narrower 'spanish' breeches, as being fastened to the doublet lining - but wouldn't that give (being blunt) the wearer a bit of a wedgy, especially since they are required for fencing? As a former kendo-ista & fencer, I'll like to recommend a fairly close fitting crotch seam. While it sounds counter intuitive, the tighter fit actually allow more freedom of moment in the balestra, pasada sotto, fleche & lunge moves. I'm currently making my 3rd early 17th c suit. I also make the WB rather high, about as high as men's trousers in the 1940s (think Bing Crosby in White Christmas). Modern men dont wear pants up there, but again, it may not be grunge fashion, but it gives great range of motion. Paunch or no paunch, that's where I'd put it for mobility. You might be considering skipping the breeches to doublet connection altogether. I'd recommend maintaining the connection. Connecting the doublet to the breeches WB, whether on not you use the elastic trick, tugs the doublet down makes it hang smoothly over the body. --cin CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 5 20:46:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460kFis020523 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 20:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k460k6BR005851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 May 2006 20:46:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460jgh2030857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 May 2006 18:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460jXi2007119; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k460jUPD007086 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 18:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so684179wra for ; Fri, 05 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XCCHESCUF3lE5/+BneJISaZZyzXm09L0iW0wjeDzW800c956d705ilAfbRywL//N+Itl4pXSFEZRVFfYQMjQj/MBHFG87mDGCBqlN/w2JInBCbCAW6+Q90Qf+/C4ZMe6bsz5nwZiJuFJlSslr+9XsG585Q3wGp6RBm+gO0TyTug= Received: by 10.54.135.17 with SMTP id i17mr3230025wrd; Fri, 05 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.9 with HTTP; Fri, 5 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:45:30 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605051801.k45I0eBm037518@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605051801.k45I0eBm037518@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k460jUPD007086 Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 403 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 05 May 2006 20:46:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445BF1CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I am making a suit for a friend, based on the 1630s engravings by Bosse - doublet and breeches... What I can't work out is the waist of the breeches: in Historical Costume in Detail, the development seems to be from points laced through the doublet to the outside, forming decorative bows (which remain after their functional job is gone) to using solid metal hooks on the inside of the doublet. >None of this sits with the informal wear shown in Bosse, where the breeches are shown sitting at the natural waist or below the paunch since the doublet is generally worn open from mid-chest. Would they be gathered onto a solid waistband and then buttoned (as the flies were buttoned) or was there a 'drawstring' type option? There's an example in Naomi Tarrant's book/Scottish Natl Costume Museum... 4 nice photos. to explain just how the hooks, WB and CF stiffener work to create the look. The doublet exterior fabric is pretty well shot, so all the interior construction details are visible, including a bit of whale bone vertically at the CF belly. I use a 19th style covered button placket as that's what Himself prefers. There's no requirement in my circle for slavish historicity. >Bucknell shows both styles, from the very wide 'bag' breeches to the narrower 'spanish' breeches, as being fastened to the doublet lining - but wouldn't that give (being blunt) the wearer a bit of a wedgy, especially since they are required for fencing? As a former kendo-ista & fencer, I'll like to recommend a fairly close fitting crotch seam. While it sounds counter intuitive, the tighter fit actually allow more freedom of moment in the balestra, pasada sotto, fleche & lunge moves. I'm currently making my 3rd early 17th c suit. I also make the WB rather high, about as high as men's trousers in the 1940s (think Bing Crosby in White Christmas). Modern men dont wear pants up there, but again, it may not be grunge fashion, but it gives great range of motion. Paunch or no paunch, that's where I'd put it for mobility. You might be considering skipping the breeches to doublet connection altogether. I'd recommend maintaining the connection. Connecting the doublet to the breeches WB, whether on not you use the elastic trick, tugs the doublet down makes it hang smoothly over the body. --cin CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 6 09:11:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46DBAoK009248 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 09:11:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k46DB19N027667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 May 2006 09:11:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46DA6WH034195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 May 2006 07:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46DA1g5027021; Sat, 6 May 2006 07:10:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46D9te6026945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 07:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-184-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.184]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k46D9qBA012721; Sat, 6 May 2006 23:09:54 +1000 Message-ID: <008301c6710e$5d75cd40$b8daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" , Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:09:52 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk Taffeta from 'Silk Connection' what quality is it (X post) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 May 2006 09:11:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445CA065.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry to those who get this message twice but I wanted to catch as many people as possible. Has anybody ordered the 'Spun Silk Taffeta' from Silk Connection? http://www.silkconnection.com/products/fabric/silk/taffeta/ it's a really good price (even if it is plain white) but I'm concerned by the fact that they describe it as Spun, because to me Spun silk is lesser quality stuff like Dupioni with slubs (as opposed to reeled silk which is smooth). The really good price reinforces the thought that maybe it's lesser quality. If you have ordered any Taffeta from them (or you've ordered their swatch set) what sort of quality is it? If there are slubs how frequent are they, could you cut around them if you were careful about where you put your pattern pieces? 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Status: RO I'm sure someone else has already complained about this.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner Begin forwarded message: > From: "Becca Rautine (via Flickr)" > Date: May 6, 2006 10:39:06 AM EDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Flickr] Becca Rautine has invited you to join! > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > Hi Historical Costume, > > Becca Rautine would like to share some photos with you! > > I want to share my photos with you on a cool site called > Flickr. If you're bored with my photos you can explore > photos from around the world too! > > > > Signing up for Flickr is free, and takes less than a > minute. Just click here: > > http://www.flickr.com/welcome/1496775/334584/ > > See you there! > > Becca Rautine > > > p.s. If you are not interested, just ignore this email. > Flickr won't bug you again and there's nothing special you > have to do. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 6 14:42:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46Igrl2022879 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 14:42:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k46IgiAZ017455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 May 2006 14:42:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46Ifi9d069149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 May 2006 12:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46IffmS078444; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46Ifbeg078368 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24787.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.135]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B9FD5A50030 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001201c6713c$bc8de4b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 20:41:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] drape of things X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 May 2006 14:42:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445CEE24.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi the list. I wondered if any here could explain to me, if a cotton rayon blend damask weave would drape the same way as a silk damask? I have this lovely brocade dark ivory, and it falls a little heavy. It is a dress fabric, i baught it some years ago. I thoaght about making something like the yellow damask silk from Koehler, fig. 424. Its a jacket and skirt. To me the skirt seems to have more of a dome shaped pannier, than a side extended pannier, what do you think, and another question, could i use the Diderot Stays for this? I wanted to make some alterations, i would make the jacket closed with ribbon lacing. The sleaves i would make pleated cuffs. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 6 18:19:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46MJFu2032614 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 18:19:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k46MJ6pD028461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 6 May 2006 18:19:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46MIJ26091329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 6 May 2006 16:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46MIGm5044381; Sat, 6 May 2006 16:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k46MI9Zq044231 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 16:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.301.4117d11 (14467); Sat, 6 May 2006 18:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <301.4117d11.318e7a94@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 18:17:56 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com, sca-laurels@ansteorra.org, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org, SCA-Card-Weaving@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oseberg textiles book now available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 06 May 2006 18:19:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445D20DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's at the museum shop in Oslo and ready to be mailed out, folks! Please pass this info to anyone who might be interested. "Oseberg Textiles" by Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, 400 pages ISBN 82-8984-024-9 990 NOK (Norwegian kroner) + 100 NOK postage (Total, this is about $173 USD.) They do not take credit cards, so you need to either send cash or perhaps arrange for a bank transfer. (I got the money at the airport.) The text is, alas, in Norwegian -- why, in the name of all that's holy, they didn't do it in English is completely beyond me -- but there are English summaries as well as captions in both Norwegian and English. Here is who to contact to purchase this book. Jorun Groenli Kruse foerstesekretaer, museumsbutikken Kulturhistoriske Museum, Universitetet i Oslo Postboks 6762, St. Olavs Plass N - 0130 Oslo Norway Jorun Kruse's email address is _j.g.kruse@khm.uio.no_ (mailto:j.g.kruse@khm.uio.no) and the URL for the museum web page is _www.khm.uio.no_ (http://www.khm.uio.no) . Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Kingdom of Atlantia "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. 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I was wondering how to get my hands on a copy if I did decide to pay the cover price. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 7 10:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47EFaEK019270 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:15:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k47EFRBC014066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 May 2006 10:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47EEtYr099093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 May 2006 08:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47EEkTk074082; Sun, 7 May 2006 08:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47EEeSl073958 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 08:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.127.154.123]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYW00B06FK3YCK0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 07 May 2006 09:14:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 10:14:50 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@indra.com, h-needlework@ansteorra.org Message-id: <445E00DA.5090002@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Smithsonian's National Museum of American History X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 May 2006 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445E00FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I *think* that I remembered to let you all know that the museum is closing for renovations in September. I just wanted to add that there are many exhibits closing before that, in preparation (there are quite a number remaining open through Labor Day as well). The Textiles Hall *is* closing this month, although a specific date hasn't been given yet. Finally found the lists of closing and not-closing on the web.... but I *have* noticed that the closing soon list doesn't *quite* match up with what I got in my docent e-mail (sorry, deleted it...but remember the list as longer... may have included a few specific items from other exhibits or something...). Closing before September 4th: http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/exhibition.cfm?key=38&exkey=792#closing Remaining open until the museum closes end of day September 4th: http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/exhibition.cfm?key=38&exkey=792#open Oh.. and the older First Ladies dresses *are* scheduled to be removed from public view some time in July. -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 7 13:51:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47Hp4IZ028251 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k47Hotjg020643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 May 2006 13:50:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47HoKqL021124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 May 2006 11:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47HoBYU019059; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k47Ho8sT018948 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 97684 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2006 17:50:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SiA4kQ4xYxSokwCEr2top1XSKEyRKFDSnqxnoYYg45J3JRmx59MR16cGIzD6ZigunfGqnncn3zWbZ3amfBAaANaCn+1OWzgqib8sSLY8lUQN1V4vlzGXU/DtX48EfekwVv/rowbHbmN+ZN4/we8QXVzMm3j8vGEYUQKnVFYLa1g= ; Message-ID: <20060507175000.97672.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 17:50:00 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 1630s suit again X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 May 2006 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445E337F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Cin >There's an example in Naomi Tarrant's book/Scottish Natl Costume >Museum... Naomi T. has written several books - do you remember exactly which one? I /may/ even try to swing a viewing, since I'm right here in Edinburgh :-) Your practical feedback is also great. I just find modern trousers a real pain in the behind, so don't wear them if I can help it. I think I understand why the closer fitting seam would work - I assume the legs were still full? Thanks again, this is invaluable advice, Katherine S. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright "Are you tugging my squirrel?" "...I will answer your questions but only in the language of a crow..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 7 18:07:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47M7N0t007664 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 18:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k47M7EOW021072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 7 May 2006 18:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47M6FrX047040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 7 May 2006 16:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47M64UV099349; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47M61c3099309 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i22so946108wra for ; Sun, 07 May 2006 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=XTLnbFfEtn1cAbk08ZEWIpQv8hnIJRhNb/ryn02Uo0G2v+M6g3cfTeMvkAnENQhD9balp/hTb8djeuaXHkcxrrldh5ooWgtHBxx3DbgPsAz/ebks+mka9mx5ojZfF9Ej7rH33BdW/fapnwczK1mHnKpgJauZztIodRcHDO69MPE= Received: by 10.54.134.1 with SMTP id h1mr1561148wrd; Sun, 07 May 2006 15:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.108.9 with HTTP; Sun, 7 May 2006 15:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 15:05:58 -0700 From: Cin To: katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk, h-cost Subject: [h-cost] 1630s suit again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k47M61c3099309 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 07 May 2006 18:07:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445E6F92.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>There's an example in Naomi Tarrant's book/Scottish Natl Costume >>Museum... >Naomi T. has written several books - do you remember exactly which one? > I /may/ even try to swing a viewing, since I'm right here in Edinburgh :-) Katherine S,, Consider me insanely jealous! I dont suppose you could manage a color photo or 2? I've never seen the whole thing, except those B/W pics in the book. Tarrant: Pink with Moroni's tailor on the front; probably History or Development of Dress/Costume/Fashion. All the good books have essentially the same name. She has croquis of the Marie of Hungary gown, the Charles de Blois pourpoint and a few others mixed in the text. >Your practical feedback is also great. I just find modern trousers a real pain >in the behind, so don't wear them if I can help it. I think I understand why > the closer fitting seam would work - I assume the legs were still full? >Thanks again, this is invaluable advice, On one suit, I have 8" wearing ease at mid-thigh. On another 10", so yes, very full compared to modern pants. (For WAG calibration purposes, the gentleman who wears these Stuart suits, wears Levi's 31"-32", he's quite skinny.) OTOH. compared to the Elizabethan trunkhose I made recently, the legs are not very full at all. Dont forget that men squat to pick up things, fencers get pretty active, so you'll need leg length 'round the butt & over the knee. Next, depending on where you put the breeches cuff, you'll need to account for flexed thigh or upper-calf muscles which bulk up. Garters are either a treasure or a torture for active people. Treasure, when they move smoothly, torture when they slip or pinch. Dont tell anyone, but I've been known to use a 2" piece of elastic tucked inside a cuff, at the inside-back of the knee. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 09:15:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48DFcd6018366 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 09:15:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k48DFTsT012696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 09:15:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48DEqVM037143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48DEaux043717; Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48DEUxY043643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 07:14:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-185-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.185]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k48DESqZ030941; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:14:29 +1000 Message-ID: <017301c672a1$56e8db40$b9dbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: , Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:14:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Visit 'Am I Period or Not' to submit your photos and critique others. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 09:15:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445F4471.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Good evening all, Many of the costumers out there will already have heard about 'Am I Period or Not' (or AIPON for short) but recently the flow of new photo submissions has slowed to a trickle (we've had one new photo in the last three months), so for those who have never heard of it or those who have new outfits (or new photos of old outfits) please consider submitting a photo of your work and enjoy the virtual adulation of people all across the globe. The re-enactment season is starting up soon in the Northern Hemisphere so if you've made something new over the winter send us a photo while it's still pristine so in a few years time you can show people how good it used to look before it got dragged through the mud, torn, mended, mysteriously stained etc. ;-) If you have a photo of a costume you have made, from any period of history, please submit it to 'Am I Period Or Not' http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ . The 16th century costumers still seem to be the most productive set (with more photos submitted than any other era), with the 19th century a close second. But there are so many other styles out there and it would be fabulous if we could see what costumers have been doing in all eras (even ones that never really existed like Lord of the Rings). Our Dark Ages and Byzantine section remains sadly empty, but I know there are a lot of Viking costumers who do some spectacular work (of course the section is not just for Vikings but Viking history is very popular with re-enactors). Please pass this on to anybody you think would be interested, after all it's much quicker and simpler to email a photo to us (see http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/photos.htm for submission rules) than setting up your own webpage (even if you do have your own webpage you can always put photos of your work on AIPON and include a link to your webpage to give people the full story). If you are unfamiliar with the concept here's a brief summary: People send in photos of the historical costumes they've made, the photos are loaded onto a website where people can view them, vote on how period accurate they are (or in the case of fantasy creations how creative or accurate to what they are recreating) and leave comments. While the original site (run by Kirrily Roberts a few years ago) was for pre 1600 costume only The New Am I Period Or Not website covers the fashions of any era you like, from the first civilisations to the day before yesterday (plus imaginary eras). The comments on the website are monitored and any offensive content will be removed as soon as we (the moderating team) are aware of it, we can't guarantee that such comments won't be posted but we can guarantee that we will do our best to keep on top of it and remove comments as soon as possible. I hope to see a flood of new and interesting photos in response to this email. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 18:19:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48MJSdO006391 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:19:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k48MJJjo014125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48MH6m1039323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 16:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48MGh9I060421; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48MGdRO060221 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from nataliexp (c-24-11-144-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[24.11.144.20]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060508221626m1200ar16he>; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:16:27 +0000 Message-ID: <006601c672ed$3e153270$0501a8c0@nataliexp> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017301c672a1$56e8db40$b9dbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:17:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0619-0, 05/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 18:19:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445FC3E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello everyone, I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice was of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in the waist. The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have been lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with bents, or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt of velvet. So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, I have designed the following: http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there really any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure yet what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late heat of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 19:33:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NXAaB008515 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:33:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k48NX1AG015519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 19:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NWP78050144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 17:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NWCQw027889; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:32:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NWAsl027850 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so1039233nfc for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aUo/KWoF1fdsxQTwbxuM8bbwWR7ieRGzKk+Y6z81IEHLL4xoUHaAnyrYgvRW2CGhk3CZlkZ8/vJbjAAaeP6XUs/fKi61kpY7YUwzNQoBQxBh651vYsHoSIlFqe9YtHtqyvPvqOgl/GjBRl+qMGLZA7DntFQoXj82U0I4dhnm3b8= Received: by 10.48.207.10 with SMTP id e10mr1604636nfg; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.222.11 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0605081632t7bdc58ddn21f8470b6281303f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:32:09 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: GBACGcostumers@yahoogroups.com, "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k48NWAsl027850 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] PBS Mystery - Jericho X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 19:33:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445FD52D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, and sorry for the cross-post, For those of us who believe that historic clothing does actually bleed into the 20th Century, did anyone watch the two-part Mystery over the past week? It's from the UK and is called "Jericho" from, I believe, books of the same name. (I missed the the credits while getting tea in preparation of watching the program. The mystery took place in 1950s London, and the clothes were FABulous, from the maid's outfit to the New Look dresses to the casual clothes worn by the Jamican men. The police look rumpled and wear overcoats everywhere. The makeup and hair were really well done; my daughter didn't have to hear either mom or dad complain about anything. I'm sorry I didn't mention it last week after the first half of the first mystery, but I didn't want to tease anyone who hadn't seen the first part. Now that I know there will be more mysteries in this series, I'd like to recommend them to you. Lynn Born in 1952, so I can remember some of the clothing in the program _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 19:45:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NjKA7008892 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:45:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k48NjBP6003997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 19:45:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48Nhg23051206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 17:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NheaN036902; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:43:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48NhaOZ036763 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.40b.13d4559 (39332) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:43:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <40b.13d4559.3191319f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:43:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Mystery - Jericho To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 19:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445FD807.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/8/2006 7:33:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lynndownward@gmail.com writes: For those of us who believe that historic clothing does actually bleed into the 20th Century, ***************************** Why would anyone think other than this? It was LAST century, after all. Those styles worn in 1906 [the year Cokacola stopped putting cocaine in the soft drink and the year of "rural free delivery"...which made Sears a major company] they're 100 years old! Most would consider them a "period". Even in the 1970s when I was studying costume in school, the 1920s , 30s, 40s and even the 50s were considered "period". Now the 70s are period! Even the 80's with those dropped waist, shoulder padded dresses worn with big hair, or the "Dynasty" look would be considered more than just old fashioned. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 20:05:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49056wg009459 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4904vTA026876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4904ej3053414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 18:04:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4904b8n052655; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:04:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4904X6e052527 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYZ00LGF1J3TU10@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 20:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:04:15 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: <006601c672ed$3e153270$0501a8c0@nataliexp> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 20:05:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445FDCA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Natalie-- You can make the gown without an underbodice and kirtle over a corset. How many people at the Faire will notice? You are the one dealing with the heat! About The Eleonora dress: The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown she was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. Now here is the story behind this. Eleonora died in December of 1562 and was NOT embalmed. Getting from Pisa, where she died, to Florence, where she was buried, took days since she was being moved in a "train" with wagons and horses, etc. I am sure that there was not a lot of ice around in those days ("Poor Judd is dead" the song from "Oklahoma" tells of the down side of being kept unburied without ice...) At any rate, by the time she got home, people were probably moving at warp 9 to get her dressed in something appropriate. Cosimo her husband was very distraught, (he had just lost 2 sons and a daughter within a very short time before Eleonora died, so "crazy with grief" was probably a good way to describe it), but he wanted his wife to be properly dressed-- jewels included-- for her appointment with her Maker. If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about the velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from TB on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. In the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended for the modern woman). The velvet bodice MIGHT have been something she wore as a substitute when breathing became difficult (my hypothesis). In the severe stages of TB there is terrible weight loss. If you look at some of the pics by Bronzino you can see how she gained weight over the course of her many (11) pregnancies, and then lost a lot of weight at the end. She was one sick lady. And putting the malaria on top of it, well, it is no surprise that the stuff in her wardrobe did not fit. The velvet bodice was probably more of a grave wrapping to keep her upper body set while the people were trying to get her gown laced. If you notice the gown is not laced through every hole-- they were working fast probably. And who would think that 500 years later what she wore in her grave would be the subject of such intense scrutiny? (The grave robbers who took her jewels flipped the body over, so that is why the back of the dress and velvet bodice are in such good shape. The body decays from the top down-- gravity and all that!) Eleonora's dress was probably lined in linen. Since linen is a natural fiber, it decomposes in the grave. It also protected the satin of the dress from the same fate, but if the body had been left to decompose long enough everything probably would have gone. The latest book on Eleonora, "Moda di Firenze" http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?ab~searchitemno~0~45409 gives a lot of details on the EoT gown and the restoration of both pieces. The skirt was cut so it would be worn without a forepart. Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an embroidered smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years earlier. Good luck with the gown! Best Regards- Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Hello everyone, I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice was of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in the waist. The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have been lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with bents, or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt of velvet. So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, I have designed the following: http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there really any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure yet what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late heat of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 20:23:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490N1TI009915 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:23:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k490Mq3p018060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490MBvk055411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 18:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490MAWG065981; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490M6Pl065904 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:22:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from nataliexp (c-24-11-144-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[24.11.144.20]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060509002200m1100o2oq8e>; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:22:00 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c672fe$c8e6daf0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:23:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0619-0, 05/08/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 20:22:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445FE0DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Monica, Thanks for the insight! I knew she had had many children, and was a woman of substance (like me!) but I didn't know how she had died. The velvet bodice makes perfect sense as an alternative to the steel corset for an aging/dying woman. Thanks for the help! Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > Hi Natalie-- > You can make the gown without an underbodice and kirtle over a corset. > How > many people at the Faire will notice? You are the one dealing with the > heat! > > About The Eleonora dress: > > The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It > had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of > buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown > she > was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. > > Now here is the story behind this. Eleonora died in December of 1562 and > was > NOT embalmed. Getting from Pisa, where she died, to Florence, where she > was > buried, took days since she was being moved in a "train" with wagons and > horses, etc. I am sure that there was not a lot of ice around in those > days > ("Poor Judd is dead" the song from "Oklahoma" tells of the down side of > being kept unburied without ice...) At any rate, by the time she got home, > people were probably moving at warp 9 to get her dressed in something > appropriate. Cosimo her husband was very distraught, (he had just lost 2 > sons and a daughter within a very short time before Eleonora died, so > "crazy > with grief" was probably a good way to describe it), but he wanted his > wife > to be properly dressed-- jewels included-- for her appointment with her > Maker. > > If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about > the > velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from > TB > on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. > In > the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended > for the modern woman). The velvet bodice MIGHT have been something she > wore > as a substitute when breathing became difficult (my hypothesis). In the > severe stages of TB there is terrible weight loss. If you look at some of > the pics by Bronzino you can see how she gained weight over the course of > her many (11) pregnancies, and then lost a lot of weight at the end. She > was > one sick lady. And putting the malaria on top of it, well, it is no > surprise > that the stuff in her wardrobe did not fit. The velvet bodice was probably > more of a grave wrapping to keep her upper body set while the people were > trying to get her gown laced. If you notice the gown is not laced through > every hole-- they were working fast probably. And who would think that 500 > years later what she wore in her grave would be the subject of such > intense > scrutiny? (The grave robbers who took her jewels flipped the body over, so > that is why the back of the dress and velvet bodice are in such good > shape. > The body decays from the top down-- gravity and all that!) > > Eleonora's dress was probably lined in linen. Since linen is a natural > fiber, it decomposes in the grave. It also protected the satin of the > dress > from the same fate, but if the body had been left to decompose long enough > everything probably would have gone. > > The latest book on Eleonora, "Moda di Firenze" > http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?ab~searchitemno~0~45409 gives a lot of > details on the EoT gown and the restoration of both pieces. The skirt was > cut so it would be worn without a forepart. > > Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this > new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an > embroidered > smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a > farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more > rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette > then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years > earlier. > > > Good luck with the gown! > Best Regards- > Monica > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Natalie > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > > > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read > over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, > but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice > was > of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with > linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in > the waist. > > The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have > been > lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. > > The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with > bents, > or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt > of velvet. > > So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, > I > have designed the following: > http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg > > My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there > really > any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure > yet > what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined > brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable > forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late > heat > of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! > > Natalie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 20:52:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490qKJS010695 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k490qCwD018879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:52:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490pML4058136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 18:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490pA0h088438; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490p6kH088287 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYZ00KHH3OJ1B24@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 20:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:50:43 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: <000801c672fe$c8e6daf0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 20:52:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 445FE7BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am glad to help! Eleonora is my pet subject! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Monica, Thanks for the insight! I knew she had had many children, and was a woman of substance (like me!) but I didn't know how she had died. The velvet bodice makes perfect sense as an alternative to the steel corset for an aging/dying woman. Thanks for the help! Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 8:04 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > Hi Natalie-- > You can make the gown without an underbodice and kirtle over a corset. > How > many people at the Faire will notice? You are the one dealing with the > heat! > > About The Eleonora dress: > > The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It > had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of > buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown > she > was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. > > Now here is the story behind this. Eleonora died in December of 1562 and > was > NOT embalmed. Getting from Pisa, where she died, to Florence, where she > was > buried, took days since she was being moved in a "train" with wagons and > horses, etc. I am sure that there was not a lot of ice around in those > days > ("Poor Judd is dead" the song from "Oklahoma" tells of the down side of > being kept unburied without ice...) At any rate, by the time she got home, > people were probably moving at warp 9 to get her dressed in something > appropriate. Cosimo her husband was very distraught, (he had just lost 2 > sons and a daughter within a very short time before Eleonora died, so > "crazy > with grief" was probably a good way to describe it), but he wanted his > wife > to be properly dressed-- jewels included-- for her appointment with her > Maker. > > If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about > the > velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from > TB > on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. > In > the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended > for the modern woman). The velvet bodice MIGHT have been something she > wore > as a substitute when breathing became difficult (my hypothesis). In the > severe stages of TB there is terrible weight loss. If you look at some of > the pics by Bronzino you can see how she gained weight over the course of > her many (11) pregnancies, and then lost a lot of weight at the end. She > was > one sick lady. And putting the malaria on top of it, well, it is no > surprise > that the stuff in her wardrobe did not fit. The velvet bodice was probably > more of a grave wrapping to keep her upper body set while the people were > trying to get her gown laced. If you notice the gown is not laced through > every hole-- they were working fast probably. And who would think that 500 > years later what she wore in her grave would be the subject of such > intense > scrutiny? (The grave robbers who took her jewels flipped the body over, so > that is why the back of the dress and velvet bodice are in such good > shape. > The body decays from the top down-- gravity and all that!) > > Eleonora's dress was probably lined in linen. Since linen is a natural > fiber, it decomposes in the grave. It also protected the satin of the > dress > from the same fate, but if the body had been left to decompose long enough > everything probably would have gone. > > The latest book on Eleonora, "Moda di Firenze" > http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?ab~searchitemno~0~45409 gives a lot of > details on the EoT gown and the restoration of both pieces. The skirt was > cut so it would be worn without a forepart. > > Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this > new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an > embroidered > smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a > farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more > rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette > then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years > earlier. > > > Good luck with the gown! > Best Regards- > Monica > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Natalie > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > > > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read > over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, > but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice > was > of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with > linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in > the waist. > > The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have > been > lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. > > The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with > bents, > or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt > of velvet. > > So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, > I > have designed the following: > http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg > > My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there > really > any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure > yet > what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined > brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable > forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late > heat > of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! > > Natalie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 21:03:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4913Ejl010965 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:03:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49135ls003791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 21:03:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49129Sg059217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 19:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49128pG096636; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49123Qu096479 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060509010155.CSLK15681.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:01:55 +1200 Received: from [10.1.1.3] ([219.89.180.67]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060509010155.VAVZ28130.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:01:55 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.392 [268.5.5/334]); Tue, 09 May 2006 13:01:58 +1200 Message-ID: <003a01c67304$2c6619b0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:01:58 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 21:03:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 445FEA49.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It > had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of > buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown she > was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. Is this some new information? I know in Patterns of Fashion there is mention that the edges are oversewn and there is a scrap of linen at the bottom that could be a lining or facing. PoF does mention that there were more satin finds in 1986 which helped in determining skirt layout, so it wouldn't surprise me if further examination revealed more. > If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about the > velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from TB > on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. In > the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended > for the modern woman). Again I'm curious about this. Is this mentioend in the new Moda di Firenze book as well? Would this have been for medicinal reasons? Faure did recommend splinting body parts with metal for certain diseases. A definite link between Eleanora's wasting disease (as it would probably have been called) and needing a metal corset would help in this area of research. > Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this > new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an embroidered > smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a > farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more > rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette > then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years > earlier. And I'm curious yet again;) Sorry, but I do not have the Moda di Firenze book nor do I have access to any of Arnold's articles in various costume jourals. A sleeveless smock is an option several people having been thinking about for various types of costume from the 16thC, and indeed I'm thinking of making one myself. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k491uOv3012328 Status: RO >> If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about > the >> velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from > TB >> on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. > In >> the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended >> for the modern woman). > > Again I'm curious about this. Is this mentioend in the new Moda di Firenze > book as well? Would this have been for medicinal reasons? Faure did > recommend splinting body parts with metal for certain diseases. A definite > link between Eleanora's wasting disease (as it would probably have been > called) and needing a metal corset would help in this area of research. I know not many like Norris, but I'm almost positive I've seen this in other places... I just can't find it at the moment. Anyway, in Tudor Costume and Fashion in the part about corsets, he has a drawing, copied from an existing iron corset from about 1530. He writes a whole paragraph on it, but basically says that these were somewhat common in England from 1533 to the 1580's, being made from iron and covered with soft leather, silk, or other materials.they were hinged on one side and fastened by hook and/or bolts. He says they were first made by Italians and Catherine de' Medici brought some in her trousseau when she came to France in 1533. So... take it with a grain of salt, it coming from Norris, but like I said, I am almost positive I've seen this elsewhere. I'm not sure if your question about the metal corset was about Eleanora specifically, or the corsets in general, but I hope that helps! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 22:09:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4929VMv012644 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:09:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4929M5r013602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:09:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4928qLG065643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4928pxq044716; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:08:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4928kK5044612 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYZ00MDK7A8YU40@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 22:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:08:32 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: <003a01c67304$2c6619b0$0301010a@michaela> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 22:09:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445FF9D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Michaela-- Right now I'm writing a book on Cosimo and Eleonora. (P579 and counting... ) so I have tons of information from really obscure sources. The "Moda" book has a LOT of new info. Some of the other info comes from my correspondance back in the 1990s with Janet Arnold about Eleonora's grave clothes. The possible smock she spoke of was not sleeveless, but having embroidered sleeves, the burial gown (which was called a "petticoat", actually) did not have the split sleeves that you see in the 1545 Bronzino portrait.. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of michaela Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It > had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of > buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown she > was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. Is this some new information? I know in Patterns of Fashion there is mention that the edges are oversewn and there is a scrap of linen at the bottom that could be a lining or facing. PoF does mention that there were more satin finds in 1986 which helped in determining skirt layout, so it wouldn't surprise me if further examination revealed more. > If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about the > velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from TB > on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. In > the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended > for the modern woman). Again I'm curious about this. Is this mentioend in the new Moda di Firenze book as well? Would this have been for medicinal reasons? Faure did recommend splinting body parts with metal for certain diseases. A definite link between Eleanora's wasting disease (as it would probably have been called) and needing a metal corset would help in this area of research. > Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this > new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an embroidered > smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a > farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more > rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette > then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years > earlier. And I'm curious yet again;) Sorry, but I do not have the Moda di Firenze book nor do I have access to any of Arnold's articles in various costume jourals. A sleeveless smock is an option several people having been thinking about for various types of costume from the 16thC, and indeed I'm thinking of making one myself. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/334 - Release Date: 8/05/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 22:16:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492GHnc012815 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:16:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k492G8hK025403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:16:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492FY8C066342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492FWNE049709; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492FSFY049562 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYZ00J7L7KJOYMX@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 22:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:14:44 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: <002201c6730b$d3aa36a0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 22:16:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 445FFB68.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Natalie-- There are references that I have found that say Eleonora's steel corsets were made by Master Lorenzo (I think that was his name...) who was Cosimo's cuirassier (armor maker). She wanted these to give her support so she could make public appearances with Cosimo. My opinion about Norris: While he was a wonderful source for his time, much has been written since then. If you need to look at his work, follow it up with work from more modern scholars. It takes some work to do it, but it is out there. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help >> If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about > the >> velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from > TB >> on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. > In >> the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended >> for the modern woman). > > Again I'm curious about this. Is this mentioend in the new Moda di Firenze > book as well? Would this have been for medicinal reasons? Faure did > recommend splinting body parts with metal for certain diseases. A definite > link between Eleanora's wasting disease (as it would probably have been > called) and needing a metal corset would help in this area of research. I know not many like Norris, but I'm almost positive I've seen this in other places... I just can't find it at the moment. Anyway, in Tudor Costume and Fashion in the part about corsets, he has a drawing, copied from an existing iron corset from about 1530. He writes a whole paragraph on it, but basically says that these were somewhat common in England from 1533 to the 1580's, being made from iron and covered with soft leather, silk, or other materials.they were hinged on one side and fastened by hook and/or bolts. He says they were first made by Italians and Catherine de' Medici brought some in her trousseau when she came to France in 1533. So... take it with a grain of salt, it coming from Norris, but like I said, I am almost positive I've seen this elsewhere. I'm not sure if your question about the metal corset was about Eleanora specifically, or the corsets in general, but I hope that helps! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 22:16:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492GKv2012816 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:16:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k492GBQc014990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:16:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492FY7k066343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492FWLp049704; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492FSFa049562 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYZ00J7L7KJOYMX@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 22:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:14:46 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 22:16:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 445FFB6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks! Glad to help! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Western Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Well, I just want to thank you for that very nice read. I have the new book, got it for Christmas...now classes are done for the semester I can sit and read. Thank you for the nudge. Elizabeth On 5/8/06 8:04 PM, "monica spence" wrote: > Hi Natalie-- > You can make the gown without an underbodice and kirtle over a corset. How > many people at the Faire will notice? You are the one dealing with the > heat! > > About The Eleonora dress: > > The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It > had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of > buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown she > was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. > > Now here is the story behind this. Eleonora died in December of 1562 and was > NOT embalmed. Getting from Pisa, where she died, to Florence, where she was > buried, took days since she was being moved in a "train" with wagons and > horses, etc. I am sure that there was not a lot of ice around in those days > ("Poor Judd is dead" the song from "Oklahoma" tells of the down side of > being kept unburied without ice...) At any rate, by the time she got home, > people were probably moving at warp 9 to get her dressed in something > appropriate. Cosimo her husband was very distraught, (he had just lost 2 > sons and a daughter within a very short time before Eleonora died, so "crazy > with grief" was probably a good way to describe it), but he wanted his wife > to be properly dressed-- jewels included-- for her appointment with her > Maker. > > If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about the > velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from TB > on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. In > the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended > for the modern woman). The velvet bodice MIGHT have been something she wore > as a substitute when breathing became difficult (my hypothesis). In the > severe stages of TB there is terrible weight loss. If you look at some of > the pics by Bronzino you can see how she gained weight over the course of > her many (11) pregnancies, and then lost a lot of weight at the end. She was > one sick lady. And putting the malaria on top of it, well, it is no surprise > that the stuff in her wardrobe did not fit. The velvet bodice was probably > more of a grave wrapping to keep her upper body set while the people were > trying to get her gown laced. If you notice the gown is not laced through > every hole-- they were working fast probably. And who would think that 500 > years later what she wore in her grave would be the subject of such intense > scrutiny? (The grave robbers who took her jewels flipped the body over, so > that is why the back of the dress and velvet bodice are in such good shape. > The body decays from the top down-- gravity and all that!) > > Eleonora's dress was probably lined in linen. Since linen is a natural > fiber, it decomposes in the grave. It also protected the satin of the dress > from the same fate, but if the body had been left to decompose long enough > everything probably would have gone. > > The latest book on Eleonora, "Moda di Firenze" > http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?ab~searchitemno~0~45409 gives a lot of > details on the EoT gown and the restoration of both pieces. The skirt was > cut so it would be worn without a forepart. > > Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this > new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an embroidered > smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a > farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more > rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette > then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years > earlier. > > > Good luck with the gown! > Best Regards- > Monica > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Natalie > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > > > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read > over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, > but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice was > of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with > linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in > the waist. > > The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have been > lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. > > The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with bents, > or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt > of velvet. > > So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, I > have designed the following: > http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg > > My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there really > any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure yet > what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined > brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable > forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late heat > of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! > > Natalie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 22:27:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492R7Rm013059 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:27:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k492QwMd017805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:27:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492QaJB067685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492QWwc057832; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492QTR1057658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FdHvX-0000FH-Q9; Mon, 08 May 2006 21:26:19 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20060508222619.k8h62l4lico844o0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 22:26:19 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > Hi Michaela-- > > Right now I'm writing a book on Cosimo and Eleonora. (P579 and counting... ) drooling. Any vague ideas of publication timeframe? (did I couch that in vague enough terms?) :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 8 22:31:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492V25o013146 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:31:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k492UrbI023558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:30:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492USi2068063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 20:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492URu4060780; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492UNQf060648 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-1-125.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.1.125]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony7.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 09 May 2006 10:30:15 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,103,1146412800"; d="scan'208"; a="262504125:sNHT3319757420" Message-ID: <445FFEB4.4090200@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:30:12 +1000 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , lochactailors@yahoogroups.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Dress Diary X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 08 May 2006 22:30:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 445FFEDD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have started a diary/instructions at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/renaissance3.htm for an Elizabethan low-necked gown and wondered if anyone could have a look and see if it makes sense? I have two students making their first bodice on the weekend and hope to send them to this page. They have not sewn before but are feeling quite brave. I will be supervising them at our regular Saturday morning sewing bee. Its not finished - more will be going up as I progress through the sewing today and tomorrow. And I apologise that the sewing methods are not historically accurate. Many thanks, Aylwen Garden _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 00:19:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k494Jnx1015680 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 00:19:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k494Jevb015807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 00:19:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k494Ini4078750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 22:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k494Ig1t039290; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k494IaUg039182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 22:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k494ITH3015923 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:18:32 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:19:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 00:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4460185C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Book Tease! So when is this coming out? Who is publishing it? Where can we pre-order? What are you doing wasting perfectly good reading/writing time on the likes of us (grin)! Honestly! I hear about books like this and it makes me want to lock people who can write them into the house-elf filled regions of Hogwarts until they come through with the goods. Regina (who wants a House Elf! I would be so good to one. No clothes! Nice clean tea towels, or even a brand new pillow case! Nice comfy beds with bright colored blankets and ...) > > Hi Michaela-- > > Right now I'm writing a book on Cosimo and Eleonora. (P579 and > counting... ) > so I have tons of information from really obscure sources. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 04:19:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k498JjHJ023839 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 04:19:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k498JZQ9027235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 04:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4912rkW059301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 8 May 2006 19:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4912rES097234; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4912n0d097140 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 19:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IYZ008B24850SV7@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 21:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 21:04:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth Western Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Thread-index: AcZzBJcs1afoUN73EdqzZQAUUag3ug== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 04:19:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44605097.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, I just want to thank you for that very nice read. I have the new book, got it for Christmas...now classes are done for the semester I can sit and read. Thank you for the nudge. Elizabeth On 5/8/06 8:04 PM, "monica spence" wrote: > Hi Natalie-- > You can make the gown without an underbodice and kirtle over a corset. How > many people at the Faire will notice? You are the one dealing with the > heat! > > About The Eleonora dress: > > The red velvet pair of bodies was lines with (believe it or not) paper. It > had no bones. You could probably substitute a hair canvas or a type of > buckram that does not react to heat/ sweat. It was not made for the gown she > was buried in-- it was too big and had a different waistline. > > Now here is the story behind this. Eleonora died in December of 1562 and was > NOT embalmed. Getting from Pisa, where she died, to Florence, where she was > buried, took days since she was being moved in a "train" with wagons and > horses, etc. I am sure that there was not a lot of ice around in those days > ("Poor Judd is dead" the song from "Oklahoma" tells of the down side of > being kept unburied without ice...) At any rate, by the time she got home, > people were probably moving at warp 9 to get her dressed in something > appropriate. Cosimo her husband was very distraught, (he had just lost 2 > sons and a daughter within a very short time before Eleonora died, so "crazy > with grief" was probably a good way to describe it), but he wanted his wife > to be properly dressed-- jewels included-- for her appointment with her > Maker. > > If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about the > velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from TB > on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. In > the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended > for the modern woman). The velvet bodice MIGHT have been something she wore > as a substitute when breathing became difficult (my hypothesis). In the > severe stages of TB there is terrible weight loss. If you look at some of > the pics by Bronzino you can see how she gained weight over the course of > her many (11) pregnancies, and then lost a lot of weight at the end. She was > one sick lady. And putting the malaria on top of it, well, it is no surprise > that the stuff in her wardrobe did not fit. The velvet bodice was probably > more of a grave wrapping to keep her upper body set while the people were > trying to get her gown laced. If you notice the gown is not laced through > every hole-- they were working fast probably. And who would think that 500 > years later what she wore in her grave would be the subject of such intense > scrutiny? (The grave robbers who took her jewels flipped the body over, so > that is why the back of the dress and velvet bodice are in such good shape. > The body decays from the top down-- gravity and all that!) > > Eleonora's dress was probably lined in linen. Since linen is a natural > fiber, it decomposes in the grave. It also protected the satin of the dress > from the same fate, but if the body had been left to decompose long enough > everything probably would have gone. > > The latest book on Eleonora, "Moda di Firenze" > http://www.artbooks.com/wc.dll?ab~searchitemno~0~45409 gives a lot of > details on the EoT gown and the restoration of both pieces. The skirt was > cut so it would be worn without a forepart. > > Janet Arnold did the preliminary work on the gown, but died prior to this > new book being released. Her theory was the gown probably had an embroidered > smock and no sleeves. She also theorized that Eleonora probably wore a > farthingale, because she was Spanish. The waistline of her gown was more > rounded than the Elizabethan style of 1575, and had a different silhouette > then the Eleonora gown from the Bronzino painting, which was 30 years > earlier. > > > Good luck with the gown! > Best Regards- > Monica > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Natalie > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:18 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > > > Hello everyone, > > I am looking for some guidance on the Eleanor of Toledo gown. I have read > over Janet Arnold's write up of this dress and the book describes not one, > but two bodices based on remnants of the actual dress. The first bodice was > of velvet, and fastens at the front with hooks and eyes, and lined with > linen, but no matching skirt was found, although there are stitch-holes in > the waist. > > The second bodice is of satin, with two seams at the back. It may have been > lined, but the evidence is not clear, per Arnold. > > The book theorizes that the velvet bodice may have been a corset with bents, > or a "pair of bodies," set into the linen lining, to support an underskirt > of velvet. > > So that's the back story. Based on that gown and the Elizabeth 1575 gown, I > have designed the following: > http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg > > My question is, if I wear a standard corset and farthingale, is there really > any need for the heavy under-bodice/skirt combo (kirtle?)? I am not sure yet > what I will make the overdress of, but it will probably be interlined > brocade, with something lighter for the underskirt and an interchangeable > forepart. I live in Michigan, and the faires here are held in the late heat > of summer, so I don't want to make it too heavy! > > Natalie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:30:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CUHOM000750 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:30:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49CU8wF003357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:30:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CTcnA040650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:29:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CTV73084145; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CTJnd083867 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k49CT5e10305.; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:29:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:29:05 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:28:51 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Mystery - Jericho Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k49CTJnd083867 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:30:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44608B50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO These were shown in the UK a few months ago. (Robert Lindsay, the leading actor, comes from a town a few miles from my home city.) I liked the '50s setting too (I was born in 1951), though as a detective drama I prefer "Foyle's War", set in the 1940s. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> lynndownward@gmail.com 09/05/2006 00:32 >>> Hi all, and sorry for the cross-post, For those of us who believe that historic clothing does actually bleed into the 20th Century, did anyone watch the two-part Mystery over the past week? It's from the UK and is called "Jericho" from, I believe, books of the same name. (I missed the the credits while getting tea in preparation of watching the program. The mystery took place in 1950s London, and the clothes were FABulous, from the maid's outfit to the New Look dresses to the casual clothes worn by the Jamican men. The police look rumpled and wear overcoats everywhere. 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Status: RO I'll second that question! I just got mine and even with company I had to look through it. Now, I can't wait for my company to go away so I can read it. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- wandap@hevanet.com wrote: From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New MCTBook Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:00:32 -0700 Got my MCT Book last week. My only Question: Robin! Are we going to have to wait a WHOLE YEAR for another? Are they taking pre-orders yet? Regina Romsey/Wanda in Portland _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. 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Status: RO That's wonderful news! Do you know whether it *will* be offered on Oxbow or anywhere like that? That I do not know. The book only arrived in the museum bookstore this week. Keep you fingers crossed that someone like Oxbow will distribute it. I wouldn't, however, hold my breath at this stage. And might there be anybody on this list who would be willing to translate some sections? Ideally consulting with the Museum to gain their permission to release the translations? I am planning on writing to both the authors AND the publisher as soon as I have the book in-hand to ask about the possibility of an English translation. That is almost unbelievable that, after waiting 112 years since the textiles were first discovered, they would so severely limit the number of people who will be able to easily access this information. Nancy Nancy Spies Arelate Studio _www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html_ (http://www.weavershand.com/ArelateStudio.html) Ingvild Josefsdatter, OL Kingdom of Atlantia "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:34:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYlC7000889 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:34:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49CYcBh004748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYJv3041505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYJhS088642; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav8.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4903JiH051708 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:03:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 09 May 2006 00:03:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:03:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c672fb$fc810730$0301a8c0@SG01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <006601c672ed$3e153270$0501a8c0@nataliexp> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 00:03:14.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7B24110:01C672FB] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44608C5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Without going and checking for sure, as I recall, there were no boned corsets in Eleanora's inventory. No you don't need the unboned bodice if you wear the corset et all. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:34:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYoEB000890 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:34:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49CYfRa011137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:34:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYSAW041575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYQMO088796; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k490R8qP069702 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.110.5e2e0473 (39332) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:26:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <110.5e2e0473.31913bd1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 20:26:57 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 2 costume movies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44608C62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just saw 2 films on DVD that were big costume films, both of which we've discussed here. Both have great costumes but one film is pretty good, and one is just...well...dumb. The good one is "The Affair of the Necklace". A yummy yarn with some very good portrayals. I love Marie Antoinette...the way she was portrayed was very believable. And Hillary Swank was also fine. Naturally, Jonathan Price puts in a good performance. I liked the clothes. But Milena Canonero always comes up with interesting looks. From "A Clockwork Orange" to "Dick Tracy" to "Titus" to this....you have to admit she gives you something interesting to look at....that enhances the film itself. I just saw again something "modern" she did....what was it? Oh yeah..."The Hunger". And she's responsible for "Marie Antoinette" too. [I wonder if she's sick of that period?] Here's her filmography: _http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134382/_ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134382/) Quite a list...full of memorable looks. And I noticed yardages. Remember our discussion of skimpy yardages? They work in "The Affair...." They don't seem skimpy because she's going for delicacy and the light fabrics, trimmings and modest underpinnings are balanced perfectly by less than sweeping skirts. An excellent study in restraint with elegance. Makes the gaudy, clunky necklace stand out even more. I must complain though about the anorexic court of Louis XVI. Everybody, and I mean everybody, is skinny as hell! And even though the story is quite good, the telling of it is lacking. Like so many films these days, the script needs another rewrite! If it's her story, flashbacked from her trial, why is it told by someone else? Why is the narrator the guy who figures out the plot? The detective so to speak. And if he's narrating, why isn't he telling HIS story...how he figured out everything and caught the culprits? That sounds like a good story. It's completely left out! And that music! It's just poorly thought out, IMHO....and you all know I'm a big critic. Which brings me to "Stage Beauty". Beautiful costumes! I loved the look. But what a dumb movie. That's the only word I can think of to describe it: DUMB. All that Stanislovsky Method in the 1660s? I don't think so...... They must think we're dumb! But turn the sound down, and just gaze at the beautiful clothes and art direction! Wonderful! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cb8Ht000965 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49CaxuC021948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CZO7M041872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CZOZs089820; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k495G40N078636 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m242.in-tch.com [216.166.191.242]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4956MY19580 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 23:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000501c67328$b496b6e0$f2bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 23:23:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44608CEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Me! Me! I want one, too. (book AND a house elf) Either one, I'd knit them *brand new* sockies. --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help > Book Tease! So when is this coming out? Who is publishing it? Where can we > pre-order? What are you doing wasting perfectly good reading/writing time > on the likes of us (grin)! > > Honestly! I hear about books like this and it makes me want to lock people > who can write them into the house-elf filled regions of Hogwarts until they > come through with the goods. > > Regina (who wants a House Elf! I would be so good to one. No clothes! Nice > clean tea towels, or even a brand new pillow case! Nice comfy beds with > bright colored blankets and ...) > > > > Hi Michaela-- > > > > Right now I'm writing a book on Cosimo and Eleonora. (P579 and > > counting... ) > > so I have tons of information from really obscure sources. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:38:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cc18d000994 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:38:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49CbqdW022337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:37:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cb2PZ042231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cb0fT091413; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CExkQ073050 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k49CEw8t065059 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e01c67362$307a79c0$220310ac@glregion.net> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:14:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:37:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44608D20.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k49Cc18d000994 Status: RO Oh, I definitely will, and have! That's just the one I had on hand at the moment. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: monica spence To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Hi Natalie-- There are references that I have found that say Eleonora's steel corsets were made by Master Lorenzo (I think that was his name...) who was Cosimo's cuirassier (armor maker). She wanted these to give her support so she could make public appearances with Cosimo. My opinion about Norris: While he was a wonderful source for his time, much has been written since then. If you need to look at his work, follow it up with work from more modern scholars. It takes some work to do it, but it is out there. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help >> If you look at the text of Janet Arnold's book she says something about > the >> velvet bodice overlapping in the front. Eleonora had been suffering from > TB >> on and off, getting progressively worse , since 1549/ 50 until her death. > In >> the early stages she wore a taffeta covered steel corset (not recommended >> for the modern woman). > > Again I'm curious about this. Is this mentioend in the new Moda di Firenze > book as well? Would this have been for medicinal reasons? Faure did > recommend splinting body parts with metal for certain diseases. A definite > link between Eleanora's wasting disease (as it would probably have been > called) and needing a metal corset would help in this area of research. I know not many like Norris, but I'm almost positive I've seen this in other places... I just can't find it at the moment. Anyway, in Tudor Costume and Fashion in the part about corsets, he has a drawing, copied from an existing iron corset from about 1530. He writes a whole paragraph on it, but basically says that these were somewhat common in England from 1533 to the 1580's, being made from iron and covered with soft leather, silk, or other materials.they were hinged on one side and fastened by hook and/or bolts. He says they were first made by Italians and Catherine de' Medici brought some in her trousseau when she came to France in 1533. So... take it with a grain of salt, it coming from Norris, but like I said, I am almost positive I've seen this elsewhere. I'm not sure if your question about the metal corset was about Eleanora specifically, or the corsets in general, but I hope that helps! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:50:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CoANP001386 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:50:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49Co1pY028132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:50:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CndBp043663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cnc53001892; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f28.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CnXSR001746 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caithlinn@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 May 2006 05:49:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 12:49:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.253.28.200] X-Originating-Email: [caithlinn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: caithlinn@hotmail.com From: "C M" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 22:49:26 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2006 12:49:28.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[02303FA0:01C67367] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Silk Velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:50:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44608FF9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Whoo, I nearly missed this one.... I have already offered at another list, where it came up, to have a look at that particular velvet from Distinctive Fabrics under the microscope, cause that's what I do with all my so called "silk velvets". The problem with burn testing is that rayon is sometimes hard to differentiate by smell and behaviour, but a bleach test will normally tell you straight away if it's rayon or silk. Under the microscope, you will see the striations of the silk (irregular, with small bits of sericin on the fibres) and you can compare them to rayon striations (which are very regular, seeing that it's pressed through a nozzle when the fibre is created, and no sericin of course). There is also a difference in thickness of an individal rayon fibre and a silk filament. The only place so far that I have been able to find easily obtainable 100% silk velvet is in Germany, a place called "Gewand und Tand" (very loosely translated: Garb and stuff). They sell white silk velvet, 140cm wide for ~€59 (~US$70)/m, and I've analysed the fibre content under the microscope, it's the real deal! The one from the Silk trading company is indeed very heavy, but only the pile is silk, since they need their fabrics for upholstery and make the backing out of tough man-made fibres for that purpose. Since I don't do later periods (as in 17th century upwards) I can't speak for those velvets, but some early velvets (14th, 15th century) in the V&A in London show a very low pile and beautiful sheen and that's even in a sample that has three different heights of cut and uncut velvet. The silk velvet from Germany has a low pile, but a wonderful sheen, which is nothing like the rayon pile. I got several samples to compare and I took it to the V&A as well and it really looks the part... the only difference is that the original textiles have a pattern woven in different colours.... but I'm working on at least getting a two height cut pattern working even if the fabric will be one colour only. It's not too heavy, but with a nice lining, it drapes wonderfully. Hope this helps, if anyone is interested in the German source, I can post the link. Cheers, Caithlinn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 08:54:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CsB81002034 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:54:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49Cs2TB029533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:54:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cr0LW043946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Cqxrr004510; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49Cqs4g004387 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58583 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 12:52:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 12:52:49 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509134256.01dca0b8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 13:52:49 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies In-Reply-To: <110.5e2e0473.31913bd1@aol.com> References: <110.5e2e0473.31913bd1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 08:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446090EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:26 09/05/2006, you wrote: >I just saw 2 films on DVD that were big costume films, both of which we've >discussed here. Both have great costumes but one film is pretty good, and one >is just...well...dumb. > >The good one is "The Affair of the Necklace". A yummy yarn with some very >good portrayals. I love Marie Antoinette...the way she was portrayed >was very >believable. And Hillary Swank was also fine. Naturally, Jonathan >Price puts in >a good performance. >I liked the clothes. But Milena Canonero always comes up with interesting >looks. From "A Clockwork Orange" to "Dick Tracy" to "Titus" to >this....you have >to admit she gives you something interesting to look at....that enhances the >film itself. I just saw again something "modern" she did....what was it? Oh >yeah..."The Hunger". And she's responsible for "Marie Antoinette" too. [I >wonder if she's sick of that period?] >Here's her filmography: > >_http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134382/_ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0134382/) > >Quite a list...full of memorable looks. > >And I noticed yardages. Remember our discussion of skimpy yardages? They >work in "The Affair...." They don't seem skimpy because she's going >for delicacy >and the light fabrics, trimmings and modest underpinnings are balanced >perfectly by less than sweeping skirts. An excellent study in restraint with >elegance. Makes the gaudy, clunky necklace stand out even more. > >I must complain though about the anorexic court of Louis XVI. Everybody, and >I mean everybody, is skinny as hell! And even though the story is quite >good, the telling of it is lacking. Like so many films these days, >the script >needs another rewrite! If it's her story, flashbacked from her >trial, why is it >told by someone else? Why is the narrator the guy who figures out the plot? >The detective so to speak. And if he's narrating, why isn't he telling HIS >story...how he figured out everything and caught the culprits? That >sounds like >a good story. It's completely left out! And that music! It's just poorly >thought out, IMHO....and you all know I'm a big critic. I hated "The Affair". thought the frocks were dire, and the acting appalling! But then it takes all sorts!! > >Which brings me to "Stage Beauty". Beautiful costumes! I loved the look. But >what a dumb movie. That's the only word I can think of to describe it: DUMB. >All that Stanislovsky Method in the 1660s? I don't think so...... They must >think we're dumb! But turn the sound down, and just gaze at the beautiful >clothes and art direction! Wonderful! "Stage Beauty" however was wonderful, although I had my doubts about some of the frocks. The theatre in England was being revived after the Commonwealth had virtually caused all public entertainment to be banned, and "acting" was able to change. There really was a change of style in the 1660's, led by the fact that girls/women were allowed to act on stage officially for the first time. I saw a brilliantly performed play starring Michael Gambon on this very subject, and watched him do "Elizabethan" style acting, full of gestures and body positions that would be recognisable to any theatre goer of the time. He then showed what was going to happen, and although it took many more years till truly natural acting became fashionable (mid to late Victorian - an actor/manager called Tom something - see "Trelawney of the Wells", by Pinero), it was natural by comparison. I also saw a lecture/demonstration by a member of the "Shakespeare Globe" team on the same subject, and he said pretty much what I had noted from the play. So your comment "All that Stanislavsky Method in the 1660s? I don't think so......", while accurate in some ways, doesn't take into account the facts of theatre in England. Sorry, stepping down of soap box now. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 09:11:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DBGqO002691 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:11:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49DB7m2027535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 09:11:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DAT2i046227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 07:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DASud019597; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DANUZ019506 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA31155 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:44:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:44:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New MCTBook In-Reply-To: <20060508084404.17A330F@resin04.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 09:11:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446094EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just back from Kalamazoo. Lots and lots of costume sessions but I'm too tired and overburdened to report in detail, so I hope someone else on this list will give the blow-by-blow. Wanda wrote: > Got my MCT Book last week. My only Question: > > Robin! Are we going to have to wait a WHOLE YEAR for another? Are they > taking pre-orders yet? Lalah added: > I'll second that question! I just got mine and even with company I > had to look through it. Now, I can't wait for my company to go away > so I can read it. Music to my ears! Yes, it's another year. The journal is an annual, published every April. For those who haven't seen them, the contents of vols. 1 and 2 are here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM I should also note that my publisher told me this week that Vol. 1 is nearly sold out; we're talking about the possibility of a reprint, which I sincerely hope will happen, but I can't make promises. In the newly released vol. 2, members of this list may be particularly interested in the pieces on early Irish dress, Italian Renaissance "flea furs," and Elizabethan women's embroidered jackets. But there are others that will be useful to people working in various specialties. I'm working on editing vol. 3 (2007) now (at breakneck pace, deadline approaching). At this moment, it looks like it will cover these topics: -- Anglo-Saxon use of textile home furnishings -- Anglo-Saxon vestments -- Opus Anglicanum embroidery in vestments -- Upper-class color preferences in Flemish woolens, 14th-16th c. -- Wool finishing techniques, 14th-16th c. -- Costume references in a 15th c. Spanish "Life of Mary" -- Fingerloop braiding -- Surviving textile bookmarkers -- Children's clothing references in the Lisle letters, 1530s England --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 09:26:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DQP3d003344 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:26:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49DQHh3032248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 09:26:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DPaAH048560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 07:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DPYCB032230; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49DPV83032158 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 5020 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 06:25:30 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 4713, pid: 4927, t: 4.1373s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 9 May 2006 06:25:26 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060509062406.022c15f0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 06:25:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k49DPV83032158 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 09:26:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44609879.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:49 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >Whoo, I nearly missed this one.... > >I have already offered at another list, where it >came up, to have a look at that particular >velvet from Distinctive Fabrics under the >microscope, cause that's what I do with all my >so called "silk velvets". The problem with burn >testing is that rayon is sometimes hard to >differentiate by smell and behaviour, but a >bleach test will normally tell you straight away >if it's rayon or silk. Under the microscope, you >will see the striations of the silk (irregular, >with small bits of sericin on the fibres) and >you can compare them to rayon striations (which >are very regular, seeing that it's pressed >through a nozzle when the fibre is created, and >no sericin of course). There is also a >difference in thickness of an individal rayon fibre and a silk filament. > >The only place so far that I have been able to >find easily obtainable 100% silk velvet is in >Germany, a place called "Gewand und Tand" (very >loosely translated: Garb and stuff). They sell >white silk velvet, 140cm wide for ~€59 >(~US$70)/m, and I've analysed the fibre content >under the microscope, it's the real deal! The >one from the Silk trading company is indeed very >heavy, but only the pile is silk, since they >need their fabrics for upholstery and make the >backing out of tough man-made fibres for that purpose. > >Since I don't do later periods (as in 17th >century upwards) I can't speak for those >velvets, but some early velvets (14th, 15th >century) in the V&A in London show a very low >pile and beautiful sheen and that's even in a >sample that has three different heights of cut >and uncut velvet. The silk velvet from Germany >has a low pile, but a wonderful sheen, which is >nothing like the rayon pile. I got several >samples to compare and I took it to the V&A as >well and it really looks the part... the only >difference is that the original textiles have a >pattern woven in different colours.... but I'm >working on at least getting a two height cut >pattern working even if the fabric will be one >colour only. It's not too heavy, but with a >nice lining, it drapes wonderfully. > >Hope this helps, if anyone is interested in the >German source, I can post the link. > >Cheers, > >Caithlinn I just received a sample of the black 'silk velvet' from Distinctive Fabrics. I will try the bleach test on it and report back. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 09:37:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DbKEm004282 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:37:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49DbBQn031172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 09:37:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DahlZ049647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 07:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Daa3A041245; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DaWmJ041069 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 07:36:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.19]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060509133624.SVSY23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:36:24 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.19]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060509133623.WIME21950.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:36:23 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509082225.0269b840@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 08:36:18 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200605091234.k49CYcbS089003@net.indra.com> References: <200605091234.k49CYcbS089003@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k49DaWmJ041069 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 09:37:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44609B07.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I received a reply today from Jorun Grønli Kruse (Kulturhistorisk museum, Universitetet i Oslo). Payment must be by electronic funds transfer to their bank's Swift account. Payment must be in Norway Kroners. When their bank approves payment, they will send the book. International EFT's are very expensive from my bank here. Any suggestions as to less expensive alternate's? Beth >Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:03:59 EDT >From: SNSpies@aol.com > >That's wonderful news! Do you know whether it *will* be offered on Oxbow or >anywhere like that? > >That I do not know. The book only arrived in the museum bookstore this >week. Keep you fingers crossed that someone like Oxbow will distribute >it. I >wouldn't, however, hold my breath at this stage. > >And might there be anybody on this list who would be willing to translate >some sections? Ideally consulting with the Museum to gain >their permission to >release the translations? > >I am planning on writing to both the authors AND the publisher as soon as I >have the book in-hand to ask about the possibility of an >English translation. > That is almost unbelievable that, after waiting 112 years since the >textiles were first discovered, they would so severely limit the number >of people >who will be able to easily access this information. > >Nancy > >Nancy Spies _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 10:21:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49ELhX9006858 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:21:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49ELYhZ025499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 10:21:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49ELBuE055140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 08:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49EL1WB078781; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49EKlfE078552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FdT4t-0002m2-OL; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:20:43 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:20:43 -0400 Message-ID: <20060509102043.b117yl4wcg4soo40@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 10:20:43 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 10:21:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4460A56E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > Hi Susan-- > I'm following a historical timeline...I'm up to 1553. Two kids and > counting. :-) > > I'd like to get it done before I have to go to Pittsburgh in late June for > my residency for my MA in Writing. I don't know if I am being optimistic or > what.At any rate I hope to have it done by late summer. However I have been > asked by an agent to allow her to read it when it is done. Here's hoping. > Thank you so much for the interest. I sometimes feel like no one but me > would care if it gets done. Silly woman! I know that feeling though. I"m working on a dissertation and I'd *really* like to have it done by late June ... (has to be defended and submitted by the end of July or I have to pay tuition for Fall ...) Good luck! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 11:07:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49F7hvB011178 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:07:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49F7YBb014979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 11:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49F788g061574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 09:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49F71X4021431; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-02.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-02.bluehost.com [70.103.189.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49F6rdA021298 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 30336 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2006 15:06:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 15:06:53 -0000 Received: from 16.84-48-121.nextgentel.com ([84.48.121.16] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FdTnY-0004TY-SS for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 09:06:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:06:44 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available References: <200605091234.k49CYcbS089003@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060509082225.0269b840@mail.alltel.net> From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509082225.0269b840@mail.alltel.net> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.48.121.16 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 11:07:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4460B036.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 09 May 2006 08:36:18 -0500, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > International EFT's are very expensive from my bank here. Any > suggestions as to less expensive alternate's? I can check around a little the next days and see if I find a bookshop that sells the book through the internet. That way you should be able to pay by Visa. Or you might ask them if you can pay through Paypal`? Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 11:21:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49FLwEd012125 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:21:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49FLnHf014596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 11:21:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49FL7R8063674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 09:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49FKw51033989; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:21:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49FKiJS033637 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IZ000B8B7XZLBZ0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:20:22 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 11:21:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4460B38D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually _- I'd like the house elf too. It would give me more time. Thanks for the support. When it gets published (even if I have to do it myself!), I PROMISE I'll put it out on the list. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 12:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Book Tease! So when is this coming out? Who is publishing it? Where can we pre-order? What are you doing wasting perfectly good reading/writing time on the likes of us (grin)! Honestly! I hear about books like this and it makes me want to lock people who can write them into the house-elf filled regions of Hogwarts until they come through with the goods. Regina (who wants a House Elf! I would be so good to one. No clothes! Nice clean tea towels, or even a brand new pillow case! Nice comfy beds with bright colored blankets and ...) > > Hi Michaela-- > > Right now I'm writing a book on Cosimo and Eleonora. (P579 and > counting... ) > so I have tons of information from really obscure sources. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 12:25:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49GPEB6016527 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 12:25:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49GP5Lx030876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 12:25:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49GNxd2073452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 10:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49GNgsu085543; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49GNZmh085335 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 10:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-244-104.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.104.244]) by pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k49GN7AY027128 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <4460C200.60403@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 12:23:28 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Period-correct yarn colors for US Civil War X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4460C261.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, all. A friend is knitting a capelet for someone who works in the Gettysburg battlefield area, and wants to make certain her yarn is a period-correct color. What colors would have been appropriate? Thanks, Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 14:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49IGjuK022355 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:16:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49IGaaf006689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 14:16:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49IFleS090220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 12:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49IFMuL082286; Tue, 9 May 2006 12:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49FrlBr061529 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.255.ad85c35 (29672) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:53:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <255.ad85c35.319214f6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:53:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 14:16:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4460DC84.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/9/2006 8:53:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: I hated "The Affair". thought the frocks were dire, and the acting appalling! But then it takes all sorts!! > ********************** LOL....yes it does take all sorts! You thought the costumes "dire" ????? C'mon! Why? I'm interested in why you hate them. Acting -wise, there was no one really stellar, but to keep that confusion of a script going took some talent. ******************* So your comment "All that Stanislavsky Method in the 1660s? I don't think so......", while accurate in some ways, doesn't take into account the facts of theatre in England. *************************** Yes I'm sure acting changed when women were allowed on stage, but not the stupid way it appears in the film. All of Restoration Comedy proves that! If it had changed like in the film, no one would have NEEDED Stanislovisky in the 19th century! And all that lame "sexual politics" stuff. Lines like "What do men DO when they have sex?" Pu-leez! Just DUMB! ....but beautiful! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 14:31:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49IVEbM023551 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:31:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49IV5XJ004752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 14:31:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49IUUru092120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 12:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49IUL8m095143; Tue, 9 May 2006 12:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49HUElq041926 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 11:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k49HUCBI016950 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005201c6738e$39d3cd10$220310ac@glregion.net> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:30:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] more gown help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 14:31:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4460DFE9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k49IVEbM023551 Status: RO With my dress design, there will be puffs and slashes in the sleeves, shoulder rolls and bodice front and back. However, in cosideration of how the layers go onto the body: Chemise, corset and farthingale, then bodice/sleeves/skirts... where do the puffs come from in the bodice? Are they false puffs? If they are false, it would be interesting to make them interchangeable so I can change the colors/look of the dress. Also, if they are false puffs, I may consider doing the same to the shoulder roll and sleeve puffs. Thanks in advance! Just for refresher, my gown is based on Eleanor of Toledo, but here is the actual design: http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 16:24:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KO7iG028528 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:24:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49KNx1P030834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 16:24:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KNSkq012001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 14:23:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KNHOC005592; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KNB5N005375 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IZ000892LODYLTX@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 16:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:17:00 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] more gown help In-reply-to: <005201c6738e$39d3cd10$220310ac@glregion.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4460FA5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The puffs can be the chemise pulled through, or a fake chemise sleeve tacked inside so it does not shift. You are doing Ren Faire, so the "look" is improtant. If you don't want to be pulling on your sleeves all day, go for the fake inner sleeve. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] more gown help With my dress design, there will be puffs and slashes in the sleeves, shoulder rolls and bodice front and back. However, in cosideration of how the layers go onto the body: Chemise, corset and farthingale, then bodice/sleeves/skirts... where do the puffs come from in the bodice? Are they false puffs? If they are false, it would be interesting to make them interchangeable so I can change the colors/look of the dress. Also, if they are false puffs, I may consider doing the same to the shoulder roll and sleeve puffs. Thanks in advance! Just for refresher, my gown is based on Eleanor of Toledo, but here is the actual design: http://www.fantasy-sewing.com/images/dressconcept.jpg Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 16:27:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KR0Yl028600 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:27:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49KQpFo031677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 16:26:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KQEFo012387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 14:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KOjBt007176; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49KNsRb006185 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 31529 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 20:23:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 20:23:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060509212158.01e23b08@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 21:23:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies In-Reply-To: <255.ad85c35.319214f6@aol.com> References: <255.ad85c35.319214f6@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 16:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4460FB0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:53 09/05/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/9/2006 8:53:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >I hated "The Affair". thought the frocks were dire, and the acting >appalling! But then it takes all sorts!! > >LOL....yes it does take all sorts! You thought the costumes "dire" ????? >C'mon! Why? I'm interested in why you hate them. >Acting -wise, there was no one really stellar, but to keep that confusion of >a script going took some talent. > I don't remember why I hated them - it's a while since I saw it and merely have it filed under "Frocks - dire" in my memory. > >So your comment "All that Stanislavsky Method in >the 1660s? I don't think so......", while accurate in some ways, >doesn't take into account the facts of theatre in England. >*************************** > >Yes I'm sure acting changed when women were allowed on stage, but not the >stupid way it appears in the film. All of Restoration Comedy proves >that! If it >had changed like in the film, no one would have NEEDED Stanislovisky in the >19th century! And all that lame "sexual politics" stuff. Lines like "What do >men DO when they have sex?" Pu-leez! Just DUMB! ....but beautiful! >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 16:37:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KbIaC028939 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49Kb9d8002677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 16:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KamN3014176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 14:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49KaaJd018817; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:36:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49Ka6WZ018221 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 14:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31170 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 20:35:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n7uibkZUb1ZvjMgNBAqqs8CVrIV2MuWreoUmh+a9stzi2QSJs/rTh9QziDxAmF5uCQsK9I0d9kBO9A8lglRiBVbRtVrzhW3OSwhrCEJL+EKwOJAujSJgwfTlb1sJdIJk+kE20vVtJepdJs7UnzSpotTu8QDFYQjGh4QsIoaggD0= ; Message-ID: <20060509203559.31168.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 13:35:59 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005201c6738e$39d3cd10$220310ac@glregion.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Peeved X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 16:37:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4460FD75.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 17:36:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49LabAO032211 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:36:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49LaS7g008376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 17:36:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYU6X041603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYSP6088825; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYOWi088735 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.216.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.216]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FdRPr-0006pZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:34:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <40b.13d4559.3191319f@aol.com> References: <40b.13d4559.3191319f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A903FA3-DF59-11DA-8821-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] PBS Mystery - Jericho Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:40:48 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 17:36:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44610B5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a couple of the more upscale Goodwill stores (anybody unfamiliar? you donate used clothing etc.; Goodwill employees--many of whom are marginally impaired physically or mentally--sort them, clean them, etc.; Goodwill stores staffed by more Goodwill employees sell them at bargain prices that are slowly rising as shopping at Goodwill becomes chic; the proceeds go back into the Goodwill organization), I'm seeing clothes from the 'nineties on racks marked "Vintage." Time is flying faster than we know! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 8, 2006, at 7:43 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/8/2006 7:33:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lynndownward@gmail.com writes: > > > For those of us who believe that historic clothing does actually bleed > into the 20th Century, > > > ***************************** > > Why would anyone think other than this? It was LAST century, after > all. > Those styles worn in 1906 [the year Cokacola stopped putting cocaine > in the soft > drink and the year of "rural free delivery"...which made Sears a major > company] they're 100 years old! Most would consider them a "period". > Even in the > 1970s when I was studying costume in school, the 1920s , 30s, 40s and > even the > 50s were considered "period". Now the 70s are period! Even the 80's > with those > dropped waist, shoulder padded dresses worn with big hair, or the > "Dynasty" > look would be considered more than just old fashioned. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 17:36:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49LabAM032211 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49LaS7e008376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYra3041717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49CYqIv089256; Tue, 9 May 2006 06:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k492d73s067615 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IYZ001W28OZSY30@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 08 May 2006 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 22:38:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help In-reply-to: <20060508222619.k8h62l4lico844o0@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 17:36:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44610B5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Susan-- I'm following a historical timeline...I'm up to 1553. Two kids and counting. :-) I'd like to get it done before I have to go to Pittsburgh in late June for my residency for my MA in Writing. I don't know if I am being optimistic or what.At any rate I hope to have it done by late summer. However I have been asked by an agent to allow her to read it when it is done. Here's hoping. Thank you so much for the interest. I sometimes feel like no one but me would care if it gets done. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eleanor of Toledo 1545 help Quoting monica spence : > Hi Michaela-- > > Right now I'm writing a book on Cosimo and Eleonora. (P579 and counting... ) drooling. Any vague ideas of publication timeframe? (did I couch that in vague enough terms?) :-) Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 18:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MGE0T002260 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:16:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49MG3NG028527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 18:16:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MEmiZ030915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 16:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MEhou009563; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:14:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51314.mail.yahoo.com (web51314.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.124]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49MEVNN009141 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:14:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89649 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2006 22:14:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KDAuBMS5IHqY7g/RdOq+gyB4R1gAJiVs+o404BaKWprsLiSOi/S2+MoqCoPT2kjOCr3OrFuvzGrWKFj+kLHiGjNJzeXkYraTKyUKay7IZq1qO69r6n67ClbukFmLi4a0p0eSALE5+INGBSGYMoxdVyOaZejnnQJZtKDSosQyars= ; Message-ID: <20060509221420.89645.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.182.135.74] by web51314.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 15:14:20 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:14:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509082225.0269b840@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 18:16:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 446114A3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Payment must be by electronic funds transfer > International EFT's are very expensive from my bank > here. Any suggestions as to less expensive alternate's? > > Beth Make a group order where the EFT fees would get spread out over many buyers. Transferring money to a foreign bank frequently costs a great deal on both the sending & receiving sides. I suspect the annoyance of the group order would outweigh the monetary relief, unless you have a local group of Oseberg enthusiasts who each want their own copies. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 18:53:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MrDNR004210 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:53:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49Mr4Ad025545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 18:53:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MqWSw037233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 16:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MqPXo044743; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MqLAi044687 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lherr@rightwaybusiness.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.111.172.120]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ000CBDSV13291@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:52:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 15:52:14 -0700 From: Lorraine Herr To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: <44611D1E.3010504@rightwaybusiness.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Overdying Wool! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 18:53:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44611D50.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO While looking for information on "overdying" wool fabric, I found allot of information about acid dyes and that they are the best with protein fibers like wool & silk. I've read about traditional Indigo dye, but how does that do with wool? I have 6 yards of dark blue "tropical weight" wool that I would like to overdye to gain a richer blue. Currently, it is not quite navy with a slightly lighter variegated thread. Its rather dull as it is. I know that it will not get lighter with overdying, I just want a richer blue tone than it has now. If indigo does well with wool, does anyone in the Portland-metro area have a working vat that I might use? I understand that an indigo vat can be used from generation to generation and its not something that I'm ready to commit to. I had a hard enough time keeping my "herman" alive in the refrigerator. :-) (a herman is a sour-dough starter.) Thanks in advance _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 18:57:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Mvxug004397 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:57:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49Mvo5D021945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 18:57:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Mv17Q038212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 16:57:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49Mv1OK049578; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:57:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49MuuNC049428 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 16:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2da.76837d0 (14457) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:56:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2da.76837d0.3192782d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:56:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 18:57:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44611E6E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/9/2006 6:22:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: and merely have it filed under "Frocks - dire" in my memory. ***************** LOL. I have a few of those. "Emma" is one. So is "Titanic". And how about that Columbus movie with Singourney Weaver as Isabella. Dire! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 19:19:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49NJmlw005089 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:19:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k49NJd16015830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 19:19:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49NJAAM041339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 17:19:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49NJ4Hg067713; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k49NI8Fd066951 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:18:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 25035 invoked from network); 9 May 2006 23:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.138.132.59 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2006 23:18:01 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060510001517.01e26cc8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:18:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies In-Reply-To: <2da.76837d0.3192782d@aol.com> References: <2da.76837d0.3192782d@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4461238B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:56 09/05/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/9/2006 6:22:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >and >merely have it filed under "Frocks - dire" in my memory. > > > >***************** > >LOL. I have a few of those. "Emma" is one. So is "Titanic". And how about >that Columbus movie with Singourney Weaver as Isabella. Dire! I have a few filed under "don't bother" too - "Titanic" and was it "1492" or "Carry on Columbus" - are on that list. I saw neither, so don't know casting!! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 20:17:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0HKil006820 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:17:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A0HB5a026975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 20:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0GlUS048719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 18:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0Gisi016070; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0Gegt015944 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.44]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060510001634.NSGA9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:16:34 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.44]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060510001634.NVFG19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 19:16:34 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 19:16:21 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available In-Reply-To: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 20:17:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44613107.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks Gunvor, MC, Visa or Paypal would be quite acceptable to me. I also pointed out that the Institutt for Arkeologi, Konservering og Historiske Studier at the Universitetet i Oslo does accept MasterCard for online purchases of their Occasional Papers: https://www.uio.no/pay/shop.ordercreate.action?project=1782 And asked if it would it be possible to arrange to take orders through them. Hopefully something will be worked out. Beth >Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:06:44 +0200 >From: "G.Vinje" > >On Tue, 09 May 2006 08:36:18 -0500, Beth and Bob Matney > wrote: > > > International EFT's are very expensive from my bank here. Any > > suggestions as to less expensive alternate's? > >I can check around a little the next days and see if I find a bookshop >that sells the book through the internet. That way you should be able to >pay by Visa. Or you might ask them if you can pay through Paypal`? > >Gunvor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 20:25:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0PWaZ007035 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:25:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A0PN8L019049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 20:25:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0Oan4049589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 18:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0OVr6022123; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0ORPi022052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:24:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.127.8] (209-148-127-8.arc16.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.127.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4A0OPpb031865; Tue, 9 May 2006 17:24:25 -0700 Message-ID: <446132BC.3080500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:24:28 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume , fsbks@mcn.org Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 20:25:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446132F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think Fred Struthers/Books on Cloth is looking into it; I asked him to get it for me anyway. His email is fsbks@mcn.org. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Thanks Gunvor, > > MC, Visa or Paypal would be quite acceptable to me. > > I also pointed out that the Institutt for Arkeologi, Konservering og > Historiske Studier at the Universitetet i Oslo does accept MasterCard > for online purchases of their Occasional Papers: > https://www.uio.no/pay/shop.ordercreate.action?project=1782 And asked if > it would it be possible to arrange to take orders through them. > > Hopefully something will be worked out. > > Beth > >> Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:06:44 +0200 >> From: "G.Vinje" >> >> On Tue, 09 May 2006 08:36:18 -0500, Beth and Bob Matney >> wrote: >> >> > International EFT's are very expensive from my bank here. Any >> > suggestions as to less expensive alternate's? >> >> I can check around a little the next days and see if I find a bookshop >> that sells the book through the internet. That way you should be able to >> pay by Visa. Or you might ask them if you can pay through Paypal`? >> >> Gunvor > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 20:34:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0Ym2Q007531 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:34:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A0Yd1h009193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 20:34:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0YRpg050517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 18:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A0YQsQ029685; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4A0YNge029540 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 18:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 29417 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2006 00:34:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BSmBzgF9uNjfOXlKjcsY/niF8RS22GPKZ4W/JQymUS4pFk//tlTuABo6mccQLKRe/CH+XY52z6E9sFOSVcUnhqpMy6z+gQ1VvpBf6HHNdSe7kUjIZGgcROFJLdVLfoSeRiQLwInr19+Y4CV2fuDIIcAnNEajC5rwgjPiT+YkOcY= ; Message-ID: <20060510003404.29411.qmail@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.250.189.45] by web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 May 2006 17:34:04 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:34:04 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Peeved To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060509203559.31168.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 20:34:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4461351F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I totally sympathize. Our area has lost all the independent vendors of fabric and needlework. We are now limited to whatever is carried by Wal-Mart or JoAnn's. As a result, several of my friends and I (all of us serious needlework addicts) get together about every three months and do a shop hop to either Columbus or Cleveland or up to Amish Country. One of these years we are going to get really serious and join a Red Hat shop hop to New York City and the garment district. The last time I was there I was seriously hampered by the presence of my other half who refused to let me buy another suitcase to carry fabric home in. Can you believe it! If they are having a going out of business sale, you'd better stock up! --- Tania Gruning wrote: > The last decent embroidery store in copenhagen is > closing. > 16'th of may is last day for the Broderi Antik, > now where am i going to find stuff for embroidery > other than the internet. Dang > > Tania Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 22:06:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A2696Q010779 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 22:06:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A2605u009418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 22:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A25cVx062601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 20:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A25aUk011325; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A25WVK011264 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BADCA369BE for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 21:05:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Peeved Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:05:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060510003404.29411.qmail@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 22:06:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44614A88.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Instead of retiring, a group of you could open an embroidery and fabric store. :) Lyse -----Original Message----- I totally sympathize. Our area has lost all the independent vendors of fabric and needlework. We are now limited to whatever is carried by Wal-Mart or JoAnn's. As a result, several of my friends and I (all of us serious needlework addicts) get together about every three months and do a shop hop to either Columbus or Cleveland or up to Amish Country. One of these years we are going to get really serious and join a Red Hat shop hop to New York City and the garment district. The last time I was there I was seriously hampered by the presence of my other half who refused to let me buy another suitcase to carry fabric home in. Can you believe it! If they are having a going out of business sale, you'd better stock up! --- Tania Gruning wrote: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 9 22:44:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A2iuEK012191 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 22:44:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A2ilM3005520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 22:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A2hdAL066665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 20:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A2hLdL041910; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A2gE0G040962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:43:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4A4VcSj006025 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:31:38 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 21:50:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605092150.56023.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 22:44:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4461539F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 09 May 2006 8:16 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: [snip] > I also pointed out that the Institutt for Arkeologi, Konservering og > Historiske Studier at the Universitetet i Oslo does accept MasterCard for > online purchases of their Occasional Papers: > https://www.uio.no/pay/shop.ordercreate.action?project=1782 And asked if it > would it be possible to arrange to take orders through them. > > Hopefully something will be worked out. Please, keep us all posted as to what you discover. I've decided I'm going to bite the bullet and buy a copy too. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 00:42:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A4gCNg015590 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:42:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A3GVoc015092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 May 2006 23:16:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A3FUXc070469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 21:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A3FQMX067162; Tue, 9 May 2006 21:15:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A3FMxD066996 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 21:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-10.cvip.net [129.8.205.10]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9731C5DB90 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 20:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509201027.038813f0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 20:14:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk velvet! In-Reply-To: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> References: <000a01c66fc1$c7357b20$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 09 May 2006 23:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44615B0F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 02:28 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote: >Late last night I was surfing the net and clicked on a link that someone >here supplied for Distinctive Fabric. Much to my surprise they list silk >velvet for only $19 per yard. >> >>Yes it's a 100% silk, our suppliers claim it to be and our burn tests >>support their claim. Feel free to order samples to judge for yourself. >>___ >>Distinctive Fabric Support >>877-721-7269 >>http://www.distinctivefabric.com Hi Kate and all, I ordered a few samples of their "silk velvet", which arrived yesterday. Just as I suspected, the bleach test has shown that the velvet has a silk backing, and a non-silk pile. Lots of short nubbies left floating in the baby jar of bleach. I did not do a burn test. And the samples did not look encouraging as to the quality of silk blend velvet, it was very short, had sticky stuff on the backs of some samples, and rather stiffer than I recall my other samples of silk/rayon velvet, but I haven't hunted those down yet to compare directly. Kimiko Kimiko Small Kimiko's Creative World: http://www.kimiko1.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We keep working and I think that's a pretty good example to set to your children, that whatever money you might have, self-worth really lies in finding out what you do best. It's doing your proper job, isn't it?" ~ J.K. Rowling _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 00:59:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A4xDGK016034 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:59:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A4x41i018255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 00:59:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A4w56l082794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 May 2006 22:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A4vuDM056075; Tue, 9 May 2006 22:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A4vqqi056002 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 22:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Fdglj17tI-0007fB; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:57:52 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c673ee$45595190$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: <445FFEB4.4090200@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:57:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New/Old Project X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 00:59:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44617318.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Some of you may remember my project with my daughter's first communion gown. I started collecting antique first communion/confirmation photos and fashion plates then with plans to put them online. My daughter was 8 y.o. then... now she is 14. I am finally putting the photos online! When I was started collecting, another h-costumer, Kathleen Mitchell, was collecting the antique photos too. Kathleen and I have combined our photo collections to put in my online Library. Together, we have app. 125-150 photos of children receiving these sacraments until the 1940s. I started putting the girls' photos online Easter Monday. My goal is to get as many of the photos online as possible before Pentecost, also called WhitSunday. >From the Catholic Encyclopedia website, http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15614b.htm : "Whitsunday is so called from the white garments which were worn by those who were baptised during the vigil; Pentecost ("Pfingsten" in German), is the Greek for "the fiftieth" (day after Easter)." I call this series "Sunday's Best-Dress Clothes." As of today, there are 36 photos of girls in the Library. There are three index pages you may view without having a Library subscription. There are also two free access webpages of photos that were a challenge to clean. Those pages shown a transition of how the photos were cleaned. I will also be adding boys and group photos to the series soon. Indexes: http://www.costumegallery.com/Religious/girls/1stCommunion/page1.htm http://www.costumegallery.com/Religious/girls/1stCommunion/page2.htm http://www.costumegallery.com/Religious/girls/Confirmation/page1.htm Free access pages: http://www.costumegallery.com/Religious/girls/1stCommunion/girl23.htm http://www.costumegallery.com/Religious/girls/1stCommunion/girl35.htm Please ignore if the url includes the words, first communion or confirmation. I had the categories set up before doing some extensive research. The conclusion after interviewing several priests, it is very difficult to determine by the child's clothing which sacrament was being received. The largest factor was that in 1910 Pope Pius X changed the order in which sacraments were received. Another factor was when the bishop went to rural parishes. Sometimes he went to the outer parishes every other year. The bishops confirmed the children. The age of recipients of the sacraments varied, so I couldn't go by the age of the child to determine the purpose of the photograph. The only time, I state on the webpage if the photo was for first communion and/or confirmation, was if it was stated on the photo. Another problem arose with a young girl, around the age of 4-6 y.o., in the photograph with an older veiled girl. The younger child could have been an attendant to the older child. The priests agreed that the young girl was probably the May Queen. If Easter ran last in the year, AND the sacraments were received during May, the May Queen would take their photo with the sacrament recipients. The May Queen was the young girl who lead the procession to crown the Virgin's statue. May is the month celebrating the Virgin. The procession to the statue would generally be held the same day as the sacrament mass. A couple of photos that will be added to the series, included the sacrament recipient with a wreath of flowers on a pillow. Kathleen and I hope you enjoy the series! 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Status: RO Hello all, I was looking for something else, when I came across this book on amazon.com. It may have been commented on this list already, but my reading has been sporadic lately. Anyone here have the book or know more about it? Patterns for Costume Accessories: The Solution to Almost Any Costume Accessory Need (Paperback) by Arnold S. Levine, Robin L. McGee ISBN: 0896762416 Paperback: 182 pages Publisher: Costume & Fashion Press; 1st edition (February 28, 2006) Language: English List Price: $35.00 I am wondering if it is worth the price, what time frame the patterns are for, and anything else of interest in the book. The title looks interesting, but there isn't much on amazon to go by. Thanks, Kimiko Kimiko Small Kimiko's Creative World: http://www.kimiko1.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "We keep working and I think that's a pretty good example to set to your children, that whatever money you might have, self-worth really lies in finding out what you do best. It's doing your proper job, isn't it?" ~ J.K. Rowling _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 02:22:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6MoZY026357 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:22:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A6MfRr030679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 02:22:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6MOPC091287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 00:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6M9RG026057; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6M594025427 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (c-24-1-85-230.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.85.230]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006051006212501100k5e6fe>; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <3bf701c673f9$f6f218f0$060ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509224306.038798e8@64.87.54.245> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: Patterns for Costume Accessories Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:21:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 02:22:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446186B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have the book on order. I am very interested to see what they did to the glove patterns. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] New book: Patterns for Costume Accessories > Hello all, > > I was looking for something else, when I came across this book on > amazon.com. It may have been commented on this list already, but my > reading has been sporadic lately. Anyone here have the book or know more > about it? > > Patterns for Costume Accessories: The Solution to Almost Any Costume > Accessory Need (Paperback) > by Arnold S. Levine, Robin L. McGee > ISBN: 0896762416 > Paperback: 182 pages > Publisher: Costume & Fashion Press; 1st edition (February 28, 2006) > Language: English > List Price: $35.00 > > I am wondering if it is worth the price, what time frame the patterns are > for, and anything else of interest in the book. The title looks > interesting, but there isn't much on amazon to go by. > > Thanks, > > Kimiko > > Kimiko Small > Kimiko's Creative World: http://www.kimiko1.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "We keep working and I think that's a pretty good example to set to your > children, that whatever money you might have, self-worth really lies in > finding out what you do best. It's doing your proper job, isn't it?" ~ > J.K. Rowling > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 02:53:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6rVkC005876 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:53:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4A6rMoR008176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 02:53:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6pBqd093634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 00:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6p991049045; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6p4ex048983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 00:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k4A6pGtf012907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:51:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k4A6pFVv012903 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:51:15 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:51:15 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available In-Reply-To: <200605092150.56023.cathy@thyrsus.com> Message-ID: References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> <200605092150.56023.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. X-Decna-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 02:53:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44618DE2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 9 May 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > I also pointed out that the Institutt for Arkeologi, Konservering og > > Historiske Studier at the Universitetet i Oslo does accept MasterCard for > > online purchases of their Occasional Papers: > > https://www.uio.no/pay/shop.ordercreate.action?project=1782 And asked if it > > would it be possible to arrange to take orders through them. > > > > Hopefully something will be worked out. > > Please, keep us all posted as to what you discover. I've decided I'm > going to bite the bullet and buy a copy too. Something can probably be arranged through the museum. But if they do decide to be difficult I can offer to be an intermediary, and receive the money through PayPal for you and pay the museum directly from here in Oslo. Those extra bank fees are such an unnecessary annoyance, and I'd be happy to help interested h-costers avoid them. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 08:05:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AC5DW0028387 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AC545C006498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AC4U9q034467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 06:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AC4Psd069377; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AC4MNE069325 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carolineebuckley@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so57531uge for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:04:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HVnW1oSb6vhWE9CNmNfBtxTvY0NaB/TKKvSZApwFAAobcjylKHdCZKN5ey9LcMcCYbbQ7oMfy3Yu9Odht3cetk0rfmQl/mhRkNT+6i8ZNF6nDhbQBYLwud9nYGk6odG+DtJfDbVhlioDJcFiA/i4Kt4xftgV6J2scXBqR+B4mSE= Received: by 10.78.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr105915huc; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.35.2 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37ee9e000605100504g5f395e48td1fe6019804d6639@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:04:21 +0100 From: Caroline To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> <200605092150.56023.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 08:05:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4461D6F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4AC5DW0028387 Status: RO For those in Britain - I have contacted Oxbow and they said they would let me know if they can get it. The did think they would be likely to stock it as soon as the publishers try to sell it them. On 10/05/06, Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > > On Tue, 9 May 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > > I also pointed out that the Institutt for Arkeologi, Konservering og > > > Historiske Studier at the Universitetet i Oslo does accept MasterCard > for > > > online purchases of their Occasional Papers: > > > https://www.uio.no/pay/shop.ordercreate.action?project=1782 And asked > if it > > > would it be possible to arrange to take orders through them. > > > > > > Hopefully something will be worked out. > > > > Please, keep us all posted as to what you discover. I've decided I'm > > going to bite the bullet and buy a copy too. > > Something can probably be arranged through the museum. But if they do > decide to be difficult I can offer to be an intermediary, and receive > the money through PayPal for you and pay the museum directly from here > in Oslo. Those extra bank fees are such an unnecessary annoyance, and > I'd be happy to help interested h-costers avoid them. :) > > Ingrid > > -- > This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no > Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Caroline "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." G B Shaw _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 08:46:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ACkZja029546 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 08:46:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ACkQ3T029670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 08:46:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ACeJtG037320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 06:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ACeIFc004817; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav4.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ACeE5j004688 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 May 2006 05:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:40:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dyed fur-history? 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Status: RO Hey Rose, I would be most grateful for any pointers. I am cc ing the list again because I know sometimes things get missed and I might be able to get more "hits" on the subject... Thanks, Sg -----Original Message----- From: roscelinlimoges@comcast.net [mailto:roscelinlimoges@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:36 AM To: Sg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyed fur-history? Hi Sg, I'm very behind on my e-mail. But I may have some info on a back-up disc that I need to go through anyway to look for some pictures. As soon as I have a few minutes I will see if I can find it. Rose -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: WickedFrau > Have you seen any references to dying fur, not just the leather, in > anything from 1100-1600? I've only seen one reference to fur of > purple, but I am not sure it was dyed. I figured they dyed leather, > hair, and cloth...you'd think someone would have thought of it.... > > Thanks, > > Sg > > I've asked this before (a few years ago) and not gotten any leads, but I > know there are new people on the list whose experiences and reading > might have come across this. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 09:19:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ADJJVJ030787 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:19:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ADJAsC013914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 09:19:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ADHPwm041415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 07:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ADHKwj038608; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav3.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ADHEVM038371 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 07:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:17:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.44.58 by BAY106-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:17:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.44.58] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com><6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net><200605092150.56023.cathy@thyrsus.com> <37ee9e000605100504g5f395e48td1fe6019804d6639@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:17:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:17:05 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 May 2006 13:17:08.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A6E4CC0:01C67434] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4461E84E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4ADJJVJ030787 Status: RO If Oxbow has it, it will also be available through their U.S. subsidiary, David Brown Books. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: Caroline To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available For those in Britain - I have contacted Oxbow and they said they would let me know if they can get it. The did think they would be likely to stock it as soon as the publishers try to sell it them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 12:09:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AG9n39003932 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:09:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AG9eur032283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 12:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AG8XMj064904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 10:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AG6P7U098337; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:07:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com [67.138.240.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4AG5dSS097611 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 10747 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2006 15:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 15:58:59 -0000 Received: from 16.84-48-121.nextgentel.com ([84.48.121.16] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fdr5W-0001rj-CV for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:58:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:57:32 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605091831.k49IUmLJ095617@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060509172826.02690480@mail.alltel.net> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.48.121.16 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Peaked at the Oseberg textiles book.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 12:09:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44621044.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I had a look at the book today and will buy it eventually. Mostly because I have a strong interest in textiles in general. It covers the tapestries, the silk fragments and some embroidery and other textile fragments. Lots of illustrations and photoes with norwegian and english captions. Quite an extensive english summary too. And some good closeups of textile fragments showing the weave patterns + a ruler so you get an idea of the size. It's not much help compared to Woven into the earth and the MOL books but definetly worth getting if you are into textile books. :-) It's worth cheking with local museums about ordering the book through them. I've done that before at one of the local museums here in Oslo. Or even a local bookshop. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 12:49:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AGnPum005156 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AGnGr1024241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 12:49:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AGlwZu069558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 10:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AGlAQN034895; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AGkuuA034558 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2af.4617412 (39329) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <2af.4617412.319372f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:46:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 12:49:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4462198C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO But the whole question of whether anybody needed Stanislavsky even in the 19th century is a debated point. A lot of what he 'invented' is really just common sense. Not that you'd guess that from modern acting classes. Debs (of whose life 'Stan' was the bane while she was at college) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 13:12:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHBwKv006060 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:12:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AHBn1W019825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:11:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHB5d0073079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 11:11:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHALS9056215; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-27.bluehost.com [67.138.240.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4AHAD7w056000 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:10:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 21388 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2006 17:10:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 10 May 2006 17:10:03 -0000 Received: from 16.84-48-121.nextgentel.com ([84.48.121.16] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FdsCJ-0000yW-1G for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:10:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:09:27 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 84.48.121.16 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oseberg book ,possible ordering option X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44621ED5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The local uni bookshop has a webbased shop. It's worth asking them if they'll get the book for you. Questions can be sent to ; support@akademika.no Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 13:21:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHL0gF006387 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:21:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AHKpUq017796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:20:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHKK4U074668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 11:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHJXp0064596; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHJHkL064313 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so798749pye for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:19:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J8VaTwedriOPmX2Ng0xLTSfqKxEVMA0QV0nOYgAqIVfihAtKfeaX/9AQm3Pq3ZXOz+Q/bM0ly33/Cd9IY2NPMA3bEf8G7S8KKBTbW95GmZ9zlBPqchdoVu/TYZh0Ui1X55DoW62Yz0k9NlC4x8m+p21PO70o3hFhgA6ZtRp5hUc= Received: by 10.35.54.20 with SMTP id g20mr269078pyk; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.3 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:19:17 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4AHJHkL064313 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:20:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446220F3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll confess first: Euphrosnia wears one of the ever popular Eleanor of Toledo knockoffs that so many of us are doing. It will be deep red velvet with gold garlands & grenadines. I have to redo the skirt as the back pleats dont lie smoothly. Adonis is wearing a c1605 velvet doublet that needs a collar. For some reason, he also sports a black fox stole c1940. --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 14:03:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AI3Bsn007732 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:03:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AI32Yc017924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 14:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AI2MJ0080736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 12:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AI2F4l005382; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:02:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-d04.mx.aol.com (imr-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AI27Dk005098 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.227]) by imr-d04.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN2-344622a94d; Wed, 10 May 2006 14:01:56 -0400 Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id f.452.35cd9 (63000); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:45:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <452.35cd9.3193809b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:44:59 EDT To: sca-laurels@ansteorra.org, h-costume@indra.com, SCA-Card-Weaving@yahoogroups.com, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_452.35cd9.3193809b_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.18.150.227 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [Norsefolk_2] Oseberg book out X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 14:03:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44622AD6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --part1_452.35cd9.3193809b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 My apologies. Apparently I've just committed both a copyright and ethics=20 violation by forwarding the message below without asking for permission. I= can=20 only beg indulgence based on my excitement. =20 =20 Nancy =20 =20 I've looked at the book today ; "Oseberg Textiles"=20 Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert,=20 ISBN 82-8984-024-9 There are lots of illustrations and photoes with english captions and=20 a fairly extensive english summary. Probably not extensive enough for=20 the true textile buff though. :-) Main topics ;=20 Tapestries, silk fragments, some embroidery and other textile=20 fragments. Good closeups of the textile fragments showing the weave=20 and pattern clearly. The size is easy to figure out due to a ruler=20 next to the fragments. Lots of drawings, photoes and more of the silk=20 fragments and tapestry photoes I haven't seen before. A glaring lack=20 of photoes and illustrations of the seams on the fragments containing=20 such though. Mind you I just skimmed the book. Less usefull than Woven into the earth, the MOL series and even the=20 H=F6gom book(migration era) but definetly a book to buy or at least =20 borrow and partially scan(illustrations and photoes) and =20 copy(summaries). For english speakers NOT too nutty in general about =20 textiles, the last option might be best. For the rest out there..... you might as well get it since you've already bought way more books=20 than you need anyway. :-D =20 ----------------- Forwarded Message:=20 Subj: [Norsefolk_2] Oseberg book out Date: 5/10/2006 1:08:36 P.M. Eastern=20 Standard Time From: _g.vinje@hotpop.com_ (mailto:g.vinje@hotpop.com) =20 Reply-to: _Norsefolk_2@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Norsefolk_2@yahoogroups.com)= To:=20 _Norsefolk_2@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Norsefolk_2@yahoogroups.com) Sent fr= om=20 the Internet _(Details)_ (aolmsg://03160720/inethdr/2) =20 I've looked at the book today ; "Oseberg Textiles" =20 Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert,=20 ISBN 82-8984-024-9 There are lots of illustrations and photoes with english captions and=20 a fairly extensive english summary. Probably not extensive enough for=20 the true textile buff though. :-) Main topics ; =20 Tapestries, silk fragments, some embroidery and other textile =20 fragments. Good closeups of the textile fragments showing the weave =20 and pattern clearly. The size is easy to figure out due to a ruler =20 next to the fragments. Lots of drawings, photoes and more of the silk =20 fragments and tapestry photoes I haven't seen before. A glaring lack =20 of photoes and illustrations of the seams on the fragments containing =20 such though. Mind you I just skimmed the book. Less usefull than Woven into the earth, the MOL series and even the=20 H=F6gom book(migration era) but definetly a book to buy or at least=20 borrow and partially scan(illustrations and photoes) and=20 copy(summaries). For english speakers NOT too nutty in general about=20 textiles, the last option might be best. For the rest out there..... you might as well get it since you've already bought way more books=20 than you need anyway. :-D The museum doesn't have a webbased shop, meaning you have to transfer=20 money. Which can get a bit expensive. One option is to try to get your=20 local bookstore to order it, your local museum bookshop or try the uni=20 bookshop here in Oslo. The price ; 990 NOK (Norwegian kroner) + 100 NOK postage Contact museum bookshop; j.g.kruse@khm.uio.no Or try to ask the uni bookshop if they can get the book for you, they=20 have a netbased shop and should accept Visa at least; support@akademika.no Gunvor ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->=20 Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's=20 free. _Click Here!_ (http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/PJ_qlB/TM)=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> =20 Post message: Norsefolk_2@yahoogroups.com=20 Subscribe: Norsefolk_2-subscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 Unsubscribe: Norsefolk_2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com=20 List owner: Norsefolk_2-owner@yahoogroups.com=20 Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Norsefolk_2/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Norsefolk_2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --part1_452.35cd9.3193809b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_452.35cd9.3193809b_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 17:50:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALoZrp016748 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:50:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ALoQQP022493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:50:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALmRAx013051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 15:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALmCpK003416; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AFnpwd084350 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.90]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060510144310.LNCU9150.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:43:10 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.90]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060510144309.WTQF19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:43:09 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060510092511.023ac800@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:43:02 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200605100458.k4A4w0Pd056126@net.indra.com> References: <200605100458.k4A4w0Pd056126@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:50:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44626022.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 17:24:28 -0700 >From: Lavolta Press > >I think Fred Struthers/Books on Cloth is looking into it; I asked him to >get it for me anyway. His email is fsbks@mcn.org. > >Fran They said credit card orders were not possible, but they will accept checks or cash by mail in NOK, so now I'm looking into ways to create a check in foreign currency. Perhaps Paypal? Anyone done this? I'll check with Fred Struthers. If the markup isn't too bad, I may go with him. Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 17:51:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALpKGq016769 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:51:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ALpBix008736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:51:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALoZES013834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 15:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALoWf8006007; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ALdnSj096060 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14803 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060510092511.023ac800@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:51:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4462604F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 10 May 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > They said credit card orders were not possible, but they will accept > checks or cash by mail in NOK, so now I'm looking into ways to create > a check in foreign currency. Perhaps Paypal? Anyone done this? I've always used Reusch International Monetary Services in Washington, D.C., which will issue a check in a foreign currency for a very small service charge. I was accustomed to just walking in and doing it at the counter when I lived in the area, but I know I've done it by mail since I moved away. Call them to see how to arrange that. I have them as 202-408-1200 in my rolodex, though it's been quite some years since I needed them so things may have changed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 18:31:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMVjQE018343 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:31:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AMVaTK000374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:31:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMRfnU022616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 16:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AFusC3090115; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AFuXds089815 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF52A6C41 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:56:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44620D2A.6010009@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:56:26 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: Patterns for Costume Accessories References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509224306.038798e8@64.87.54.245> In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509224306.038798e8@64.87.54.245> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446269C8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > > Patterns for Costume Accessories: The Solution to Almost Any Costume > Accessory Need (Paperback) > by Arnold S. Levine, Robin L. McGee ... > > I am wondering if it is worth the price, what time frame the patterns > are for, and anything else of interest in the book. The title looks > interesting, but there isn't much on amazon to go by. > The blurb for it on other sites says: "A collection of over 80 patterns for period and contemporary accessories. The headwear chapter includes 12 patterns from baseball caps to mob caps. There are 22 variations of neckwear. Also included are patterns for various hand-held accessories such as reticules and gauntlets. With complete instructions and illustrations of the finished pieces, you'll find a solution to almost any costume accessory need." Looks like a fairly broad time-range is covered. Grannd.com has it advertised for $26, almost $10 less than Amazon, but you'd have to pay shipping. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 18:31:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMVojI018350 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:31:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AMVfxi007488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:31:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMRfnW022616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 16:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHSomQ073597; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHSUiB073130 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 11:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id f.400.1b11508 (1320); Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:13 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <400.1b11508.31937cad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:13 EDT To: sca-laurels@ansteorra.org, h-costume@indra.com, SCA-Card-Weaving@yahoogroups.com, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_400.1b11508.31937cad_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: [Norsefolk_2] Oseberg book out X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:31:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 446269CD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --part1_400.1b11508.31937cad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 I've looked at the book today ; "Oseberg Textiles"=20 Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert,=20 ISBN 82-8984-024-9 There are lots of illustrations and photoes with english captions and=20 a fairly extensive english summary. Probably not extensive enough for=20 the true textile buff though. :-) Main topics ;=20 Tapestries, silk fragments, some embroidery and other textile=20 fragments. Good closeups of the textile fragments showing the weave=20 and pattern clearly. The size is easy to figure out due to a ruler=20 next to the fragments. Lots of drawings, photoes and more of the silk=20 fragments and tapestry photoes I haven't seen before. A glaring lack=20 of photoes and illustrations of the seams on the fragments containing=20 such though. Mind you I just skimmed the book. Less usefull than Woven into the earth, the MOL series and even the=20 H=F6gom book(migration era) but definetly a book to buy or at least=20 borrow and partially scan(illustrations and photoes) and=20 copy(summaries). For english speakers NOT too nutty in general about=20 textiles, the last option might be best. For the rest out there..... you might as well get it since you've already bought way more books=20 than you need anyway. :-D =20 --part1_400.1b11508.31937cad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_400.1b11508.31937cad_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 18:46:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMkIcQ018580 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:46:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AMkAAc010510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:46:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMjt7B025671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 16:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMjpxW058380; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMjkuM058278 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 16:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.6) with SMTP id 948662496 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:45:44 -0500 Message-ID: <038f01c67483$8582d6c0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:46:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:46:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44626D32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO A polo shirt (too small, but it's embroidered with the image of my fav. horse), a broomstick skirt (needs to be mended where the hem caught under office chair wheels), an empty backpack, a mesh bag of small leather purse kits (girl scouts), and 5 or 6 sea shell necklaces. She's a multi faceted individual. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 19:04:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AN4Zv0019421 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:04:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AN4QBM007722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 19:04:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AN3QU4028570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AN3NmJ075209; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AN3GjH075084 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:03:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4AN3Gne014731 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:03:17 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.51.150] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-51-150.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.51.150]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AN3EAF154138 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:03:14 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060510160133.02677b88@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:02:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <038f01c67483$8582d6c0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: [h-cost] what's your dress dummy's name? (was What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 19:04:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4462717A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Mine's name is Patience. Right now she's wearing several hats that don't have hat boxes, and several neckties waiting to be sewn together into a skirt. >A polo shirt (too small, but it's embroidered with the image of my fav. >horse), a broomstick skirt (needs to be mended where the hem caught under >office chair wheels), an empty backpack, a mesh bag of small leather purse >kits (girl scouts), and 5 or 6 sea shell necklaces. > >She's a multi faceted individual. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 19:35:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ANZlNg020135 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:35:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ANZcUP023330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 19:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ANXqjn032220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 17:33:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ANUJXM099976; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ANSOsk098376 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:29:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IZ200ENYP761RN0@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:28:16 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] what's your dress dummy's name? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Mine's Uniquely Moniquely-- it is a Uniquely You dressform. She is wearing a pearl partlet and nothing else. :-) Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] what's your dress dummy's name? (was What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? Mine's name is Patience. Right now she's wearing several hats that don't have hat boxes, and several neckties waiting to be sewn together into a skirt. >A polo shirt (too small, but it's embroidered with the image of my fav. >horse), a broomstick skirt (needs to be mended where the hem caught under >office chair wheels), an empty backpack, a mesh bag of small leather purse >kits (girl scouts), and 5 or 6 sea shell necklaces. > >She's a multi faceted individual. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 20:00:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B00t8c021285 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:00:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B00jDZ001712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 20:00:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B00MA3034627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 18:00:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B00J8M021371; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B00Fij021321 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:00:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DJAyl9woUZju5g8R3OPRj0Qk8PIYDJVUnpzseXXRfnGnQ3kF0eyTYrcgsjcF1mmP; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.53.22.112] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fdy9U-0003rW-G1 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:31:35 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220065310233124718@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO This spring, my nameless dummy is wearing at the moment half a woodland faerie costume, later she will be wearing a rendition of one of Inara's dresses to be finished by summer. Silvara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 22:33:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2X6d0025135 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:33:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B2Wump016056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 22:33:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2W9rd060443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 20:32:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2W6kI048178; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:32:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B0Sldg044294 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.259.b2d7def (30740) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <259.b2d7def.3193df32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:28:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO Mine was wearing a 5-year-old granddaughter's Easter bonnet. But, as she didn't come visit after all, it will be put away until next year. Not actually ON the form, but my current project--I pulled out an 1812-era ballgown that I only wore once. Will wear it to an event this summer, as no one there has ever seen it. I bought a lace with pearls and sequins for trim, and added pastel pearls, some of which had come off. I have those back on and am now making a turban to wear with it (I wore a tiara the first time but I really enjoy making and wearing turbans.) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 22:47:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2l9Uh025402 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:47:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B2l0qX019817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 22:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2klgP062532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 20:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2kkjY061903; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B2kgJr061820 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.29.21] (core-dc-4-21.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.29.21]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4B2kXgl023825 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:46:34 -0700 Message-ID: <4462A585.3040009@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:46:29 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO One of mine is wearing the top half of a plaid shirt dress (1940s era) with a 17th century pleated linen skirt (gotta give the cats something to play under!). The other is cross-dressing as Bilbo Baggins. -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 10 23:43:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B3h3tx026677 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:43:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B3gs3u031290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 10 May 2006 23:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B3gUbg073886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 21:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B3gRis010884; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B3gMt1010712 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.1bf.362f87c (29672) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:42:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <1bf.362f87c.31940c91@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:42:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 10 May 2006 23:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4462B2BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/10/2006 6:41:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: But the whole question of whether anybody needed Stanislavsky even in the 19th century is a debated point. ************************** Here's an interesting site on theatre in 19th century England. _http://www.peopleplayuk.org.uk/guided_tours/drama_tour/19th_century/default.p hp_ (http://www.peopleplayuk.org.uk/guided_tours/drama_tour/19th_century/default.php) It discusses popular forms like Melodrama [you know what that is] and Pictorial Drama [which emphasizes accuracy and design....but then wait til you see their mid 19th century versions of "MacBeth" and "Hamlet"....accuracy in the 19th century mind.] It's not til the 1880s that "Cup and Saucer" drama comes in....and is a new sensation because it deals with reality. Much stylization is evident in pre-Stanislovsky stage work. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 00:32:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B4WsAr027578 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 00:32:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B4Wj9c032388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 00:32:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B4WTPJ080933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 22:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B4WROW055198; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:32:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B4WNsE055142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:32:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.29] (209-148-123-29.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.29]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4AHiSNR012670 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:44:29 -0700 Message-ID: <4462267D.1020105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:44:29 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg book ,possible ordering option References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 00:32:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4462BE6E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fred Struthers (n California) said he was ordering 10 copies. Email is fsbks@mecn.org. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com G.Vinje wrote: > The local uni bookshop has a webbased shop. It's worth asking them if > they'll get the book for you. > Questions can be sent to ; > support@akademika.no > > Gunvor > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 01:38:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B5cJPo029186 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 01:38:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B5cA0W029550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 01:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B5bVeJ087740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 10 May 2006 23:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B5bReS006516; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from draco.its.csufresno.edu (draco.its.csufresno.edu [129.8.52.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B5bLdI006447 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-10.cvip.net [129.8.205.10]) by draco.its.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513CB5CF99 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 22:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060510223107.038c8dc8@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:33:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO A brown tape overform, a piece of elastic around the bust, and a bit of green velvet that was pinned in place as a mockup, but now is hanging. I am still busy trying to purchasing the fabric and making the pattern before it gets anything more. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 03:14:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B7Egja023802 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 03:14:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4B7EXIg014580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 03:14:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B7E9cK094738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 01:14:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B7E4pB083818; Thu, 11 May 2006 01:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4B7DxC2083658 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 01:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78923 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 07:13:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Vbz1SfSFjnvNhBdWamgoCUNgrrJBcFSj8HRsnXYdNhU1i/MKvSZ98qdShO4lYSLVAfbdsCCW0Zhx47aNcRzz7BMY6+XpyO7NGx0MAfby80mprEcVm5e3MKGK1bpRIUQq8nDmSiPSAjlX428PMIB0mbpVXUludok2nmQlAxBN7Pw= ; Message-ID: <20060511071353.78918.qmail@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.132] by web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:13:53 BST Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:13:53 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 03:14:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4462E459.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! My toddler size dummy is wearing a muslin of the Jean Hunnisett 1569 bodice, which I finished a couple of nights ago. As silly as sounds, I'm really pleased that I have done it, even if it has taken it a month! I hope to put it on my Yahoo! photos page soon, so I will let you all know, and tell me what you think. Just got to work out the skirt now....! All the best Jayne Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 06:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAYxmL030349 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 06:35:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BAYo4Z023041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 06:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAVqx3029233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 04:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAViVv031131; Thu, 11 May 2006 04:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f19.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAVeDn031111 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 04:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 May 2006 03:31:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:31:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:31:36 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 10:31:40.0478 (UTC) FILETIME=[170EBDE0:01C674E6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 06:34:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4463134A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jane, who lives at work, is wearing a series of 1915 blouses, finished another one yesterday...Judy, who lives at home, is fortunately finally naked! After a very long project, it's finally done and I may take the summer off...holy crap, did I just say that??? Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: Cin >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-cost >Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:19:17 -0700 > >I'll confess first: >Euphrosnia wears one of the ever popular Eleanor of Toledo knockoffs >that so many of us are doing. It will be deep red velvet with gold >garlands & grenadines. I have to redo the skirt as the back pleats >dont lie smoothly. > >Adonis is wearing a c1605 velvet doublet that needs a collar. For some >reason, he also sports a black fox stole c1940. >--cin > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 06:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAZINk030432 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 06:35:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BAZ9fD018112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 06:35:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAXuPe029326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 04:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAXtZW032352; Thu, 11 May 2006 04:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f12.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BAXo4B032266 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 04:33:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 May 2006 03:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:33:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060510092511.023ac800@mail.alltel.net> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles book now available Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:33:42 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 10:33:45.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[6175FBA0:01C674E6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 06:35:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4463135D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Beth, can you do an International money order? Your bank should be able to do this for you for a much smaller fee than paypal would charge you. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus > >They said credit card orders were not possible, but they will accept checks >or cash by mail in NOK, so now I'm looking into ways to create a check in >foreign currency. Perhaps Paypal? Anyone done this? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 08:16:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCGbem004838 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:16:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BCGSgZ013717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 08:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCG2xQ037637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 06:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCFxSZ014629; Thu, 11 May 2006 06:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCFtue014488 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 06:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AAF403A4; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:15:48 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.151 ([209.131.80.151] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 11 May 2006 08:15:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c674f5$08ddc900$975083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060511071353.78918.qmail@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO My dummy,or one of them, is presently "resting" after a busy week of being fitted with several vintage and antique wedding gowns. Another one is standing about sporting a rather Large ensemble circa 1906, in black and white, for a show this weekend. kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? > Hi! > > My toddler size dummy is wearing a muslin of the Jean Hunnisett 1569 bodice, which I finished a couple of nights ago. As silly as sounds, I'm really pleased that I have done it, even if it has taken it a month! I hope to put it on my Yahoo! photos page soon, so I will let you all know, and tell me what you think. Just got to work out the skirt now....! > > All the best > Jayne > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 08:51:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCpJ3s005522 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:51:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BCpAKj023067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 08:51:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCoOh4041156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 06:50:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCoNp7046317; Thu, 11 May 2006 06:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BCoIgi046210 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 06:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so127157nfc for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 05:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z2/IBI2sq48JE23VkJtZSwegF0RujW7/Z09Wgx7CkODtpkGhF6FDHN5ioXwYUCIWm0Wq868CNbv0UeRGiyi1G/vPOjL/x6GQnN6yL2R4ABQFLWZa0ULzqsB+406OqT8RyKJa9jm1rkrpuoRV/x8f8Ls7aXYYPT154ywwwdVRcko= Received: by 10.48.217.20 with SMTP id p20mr542503nfg; Thu, 11 May 2006 05:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.215.9 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 05:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590605110550h14077a26kc5b13345d2962d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:50:17 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4BCpJ3s005522 Status: RO I just got a dummy, and she's still riding around in the back of my car. I am hoping to soon start on an elizabethan gown that I think I have all the materials for now... black silk for the petticoat bodies, red-black shot silk for the over gown, velvet for the guards, and lots of 8 mm pearls and assorted metal beads to accent the embroidery to go on the guards. I've had the linen for the partlet and sleeves for quite some time and have the sleeves about 75% done, so I'm pushing to get that project done before I start the bodice work... when I'm not making or dressing my dolls, that is alex On 5/11/06, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > My dummy,or one of them, is presently "resting" after a busy week of being > fitted with several vintage and antique wedding gowns. Another one is > standing about sporting a rather Large ensemble circa 1906, in black and > white, for a show this weekend. > kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jayne Thomas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:13 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? > > > > Hi! > > > > My toddler size dummy is wearing a muslin of the Jean Hunnisett 1569 > bodice, which I finished a couple of nights ago. As silly as sounds, I'm > really pleased that I have done it, even if it has taken it a month! I > hope > to put it on my Yahoo! photos page soon, so I will let you all know, and > tell me what you think. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO Ethel (it's a grandfather thang) is wearing a pseudo-byzantine that I have no pictures of. I may have to take one .... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 10:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEORhr007648 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:24:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BEOIag022597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:24:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BENUlF052242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 08:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEN858039696; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEMvqG039435 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.71]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060511142251.PUNB23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:51 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.71]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060511142250.QOQH19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:50 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060511091738.02c3b0e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:22:41 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg book ,possible ordering option In-Reply-To: <200605111216.k4BCFx1v014622@net.indra.com> References: <200605111216.k4BCFx1v014622@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:24:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44634912.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I talked to Fred (seems like a nice guy), but he doesn't know what he will charge yet (with currency exchange and shipping to him) and then I'd have shipping from him as well... and I hate to wait... I need to get his list. He probably has other things that I want. Beth At 07:16 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:44:29 -0700 >From: Lavolta Press > >Fred Struthers (n California) said he was ordering 10 copies. Email is >fsbks@mecn.org. > >Fran >Lavolta Press _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 10:25:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEPt3d007684 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:25:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BEPk7a004913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:25:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEPSiq052687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 08:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEPQdl042146; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:25:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEPMh9041947 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.71]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060511142516.PXZL23942.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:25:16 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.71]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060511142515.QQHC19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:25:15 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060511091634.02c38620@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:25:09 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200605111216.k4BCFx1v014622@net.indra.com> References: <200605111216.k4BCFx1v014622@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Payment options was Re: Oseberg textiles book now available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:25:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4463496A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll check into them, but they want the check on a Norway bank. Thanks. Beth At 07:16 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:14:09 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton > >On Wed, 10 May 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > They said credit card orders were not possible, but they will accept > > checks or cash by mail in NOK, so now I'm looking into ways to create > > a check in foreign currency. Perhaps Paypal? Anyone done this? > >I've always used Reusch International Monetary Services in Washington, >D.C., which will issue a check in a foreign currency for a very small >service charge. I was accustomed to just walking in and doing it at the >counter when I lived in the area, but I know I've done it by mail since I >moved away. Call them to see how to arrange that. I have them as >202-408-1200 in my rolodex, though it's been quite some years since I >needed them so things may have changed. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 10:28:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BESCOf007790 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:28:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BES2Bm022450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:28:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BERF9n052959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 08:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEREj8044008; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BERAdL043929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FeC6z-0002vo-No for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:25:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:25:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:28:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446349F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Alas, I don't actually own a dummy. Yet. But I do early 13th c. and 9th c. England, so I really don't need one although I've been contemplating one anyway. My current project, a 9th c. Mercian overgown, is on the couch*, along with my embroidery basket. It's a lovely rust-colored wool twill, and there were just three yards of it so unfortunately I've had to do some creative cutting to imitate a 40" fabric width. The trim will be a combination of a very dark green very lightweight wool (I describe it as a very green shade of dark) and some nifty scrolly viney fabric that started life as decorator fabric and has now become trim. If I could find my neck facing pattern I'd be all set. *the residence of both current projects and homework until the college student tenant moves out and I can turn her room into an office Margaret/Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 10:35:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEZNgM008028 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BEZCRi030338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:35:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEYuNN053922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 08:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEYq2B051394; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEYjIR051163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FeCFV-0001Cw-Au; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:34:41 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20060511103441.3ik2zmfl3k8s480w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:34:41 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO Quoting Cat Dancer : > > My current project, a 9th c. Mercian overgown, is on the couch*, > along with my embroidery basket. It's a lovely rust-colored wool > twill, and there were just three yards of it so unfortunately I've > had to do some creative cutting to imitate a 40" fabric width. The > trim will be a combination of a very dark green very lightweight wool > (I describe it as a very green shade of dark) and some nifty scrolly > viney fabric that started life as decorator fabric and has now become > trim. If I could find my neck facing pattern I'd be all set. > > *the residence of both current projects and homework until the > college student tenant moves out and I can turn her room into an > office LOL sounds like my house, except *I'm* the college student! The living room is my workroom. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 12:37:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BGbBx5010940 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:37:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BGb1Uc022728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 12:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BGRqEP070267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 10:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BFaAOq014140; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BFZbvw013555 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.429.aadddb (32914) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:35:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <429.aadddb.3194b3bb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:35:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies (now ot) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 12:37:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4463682D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/11/06 1:17:25 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > It discusses popular forms like Melodrama [you know what that is] > melodramatic?? ;o) and > > Pictorial Drama [which emphasizes accuracy and design....but then wait til > you see > their mid 19th century versions of "MacBeth" and "Hamlet"....accuracy in > the > 19th century mind.] It's not til the 1880s that "Cup and Saucer" drama comes > > in....and is a new sensation because it deals with reality. Much > stylization > is evident in pre-Stanislovsky stage work. plenty of authors dealt with reality at the time they were writing (who can say that shakespeare, for example didn't), but cup and saucer drama means plays set in ordinary settings - I take reality to mean dealing with the human condition and human emotions. it could in fact, be argued that truly realistic theatre didn't appear until the fifties and sixties, with osbourne et al, and the royal court, etc. true, the natural styles of acting don't appear commonly till relatively late, but they're not all down to the lauded Stanislavsky, and they could be found before him (rarely I admit, because most punters preferred the 'oh my god, what have I done'-hand on head-mariah marten school of performance). but more natural styles were being utilised by others at the same time, as suzi pointed out. and of course, stan-boy has more to do with Russian theatre than English in the late C19th. plus people tend to forget how much natural acting owes to the appearance of more natural writing (thanks to writers like brecht and ibsen and checkhov (to whom stanislavski's style itself owes a lot)). and there were quite a lot of different styles and theories on theatre in general being sort of 'tried on', by practitioners such as artaud and craig. (admittedly not all of them english either.) the reason I say that most of stanislavski's teachings are basic common sense is because I (and quite a few friends who went on to become pro. actors), used stans methods without realising it (eg emotional memory, and circle of attention and all that). hence the fact that I hated studying it - becuase to me, there wasn't that much to study that I didn't already know. Debs (I did study all this for about six years btw, but that was a very long time ago). PS - just to get back on topic, costume got more realistic asthe acting did :oD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 13:12:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHCIjH011728 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:12:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BHC96S013795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 13:12:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHAerF077227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 11:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BGxw6W092880; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BGjoVX078722 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 10:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7EBA6C48 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:45:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44636A33.8010102@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:45:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? References: <20060511103441.3ik2zmfl3k8s480w@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060511103441.3ik2zmfl3k8s480w@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 13:12:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44637069.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't have room for a dummy, but if I did she'd be wearing either a renaissance fantasy gown in cheap purple velvet, or the ren-fest "harlot" dress I'm making in bright red jacquard. I need to get both finished "sometime real soon now". Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 13:40:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHecKm012411 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:40:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BHeTvO010833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 13:40:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHdxVW081149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 11:39:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHcgZQ025949; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHc3Q0025255 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25741 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:12:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:12:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sources on turbans X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 13:40:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4463770D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At Kalamazoo last week we had a speaker discussing the forms of turbans depicted in Flemish 15th c. art. We're continuing discussions on that topic with an eye to publishing that paper, and the question has come up about previously published work on this topic. I've seen at least one article by Charlotte Jirousek and the presenter found another by Charles Cutler, but otherwise sources are elusive. However, it seems to be a truism that artists of this time used the turban as an "historicizing" symbol for various saints and other personages. That understanding had to have come from somewhere, and I can't imagine no one has written on it. This is complicated by the fact that the presenter is a professor of English, not art history. That's the nature of costume history -- the topics tend to cross disciplinary lines, and it can be hard to find things in another discipline's literature. To make very clear: I'm not looking for images of turbans (the presenter has bucketsful of these!), or comments about turbans, or reconstructions of turbans, or websites on turbans. And we're not looking for information on turban-wearing cultures. We're looking for citations of academic books or articles that address the use of turbans in 15th c. Flemish art, for purposes of citation in another academic article. Related: Does anyone have a copy of Outcasts: Signs of Otherness in Northern European Art of the Late Middle Ages, by Ruth Mellinkoff? I don't have it, but if I did, that's where I'd start looking both for references to turbans and for footnotes thereon. If anyone has it to hand, can you let me know if there's any turban content and/or related footnotes? I don't need the text; I just want to know whether it's worth referring the presenter to this book. Thanks in advance, Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 13:46:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHksDV012543 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:46:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BHkjnf003842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 13:46:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHkBHr082105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 11:46:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHk7dH032375; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-08.bluehost.com [67.138.240.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4BHk2Qk032289 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 16421 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 2006 17:45:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 11 May 2006 17:45:58 -0000 Received: from 187.80-203-65.nextgentel.com ([80.203.65.187] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FeFEb-0003cX-Jk for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:45:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:45:16 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 80.203.65.187 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oseberg ordering query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44637885.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I've sent of a mail to the uni bookshop to ask about the possibility of buying the Oseberg book through them and paying with visa. Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 14:13:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIDoGW013173 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:13:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BIDd9C000764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:13:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BID3kh086127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 12:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BICa6H056248; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:12:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BICRdJ055958 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.452.251b76 (39331) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:12:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <452.251b76.3194d86d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:11:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2 costume movies (now ot) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44637ED3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/11/2006 1:25:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: plus people tend to forget how much natural acting owes to the appearance of more natural writing (thanks to writers like brecht and ibsen and checkhov (to whom stanislavski's style itself owes a lot)). ********************* I was trying to point that out myself. Didn't I mention "other arts"? No single art movement, in any medium, or artist for that matter, acts in a vacuum. It's all related to the times. That's why, whether you like the Mona Lisa now or not, doesn't determine its status as art. [Hell, the Mona Lisa has moved on from the "art" category into the "Icon" category...like Munch's "The Scream".... Or Grant Wood's "American Gothic". *************************** the reason I say that most of stanislavski's teachings are basic common sense is because I (and quite a few friends who went on to become pro. actors), used stans methods without realising it (eg emotional memory, and circle of attention and all that). hence the fact that I hated studying it - becuase to me, there wasn't that much to study that I didn't already know. ************************* I AGREE with you....wholeheartedly! But it didn't "take the stage" in England during the Restoration...which is what this tread was originally about. "Stage Beautify"...remember? And it's only slightly off topic since design is part of it all. And I thought the theatre site was kinda interesting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 14:17:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIHIot013280 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:17:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BIH5v2002789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:17:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIGYhf086704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 12:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIGToS060402; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4BIF3HP058630 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61884 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2006 18:08:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H3Ogr6z9INxgM/f5JHFhlfyBzAZMyPKJQkm++8sk58J4H2pAwmsx1SaWmoMIa97BhVAhMec1+/3+qtLkggMbdQast/0nltq8QiTKUyuY4tEfyCyQ85CrahAWM65aRSAI78DdGHGdGHLf2AF8dVhPnqwhbTaXzJj7mxH9l9l1aoI= ; Message-ID: <20060511180817.61882.qmail@web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [88.109.5.208] by web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:08:17 BST Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:08:17 +0100 (BST) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources on turbans To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:17:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44637FA1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --- Robin Netherton wrote: > Related: Does anyone have a copy of Outcasts: Signs > of Otherness in > Northern European Art of the Late Middle Ages, by > Ruth Mellinkoff? I don't > have it, but if I did, that's where I'd start > looking both for references > to turbans and for footnotes thereon. If anyone has > it to hand, can you > let me know if there's any turban content and/or > related footnotes? I > don't need the text; I just want to know whether > it's worth referring the presenter to this book. I've requested it, and will check tomorrow evening. /Lena Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 14:31:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIVxSj013675 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:31:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BIVoqq021234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIVBk1089414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 12:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIV14o075318; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIUFQw074387 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iHV1UbDELGbXHoAV57Hm+fPRZI6nGeVn8U5MuExtMIK6WXuhAiCK5RXEsYP5WaOJ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.47] (helo=boris) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FeFvS-0002cC-Cu for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c67529$00550a80$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060510160133.02677b88@mail.frys.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:30:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48e8881c4846dc04401751861dcfe27a18ac30c6e5e32ee181350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.47 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] H-cost: what's your dress dummy's name? (was What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:31:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44638316.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Mine's named Yasmine, and currently she's wearing the pinned together bodice of my new 17th cen. high necked bodice. Sprouting out of her neck are two beanie babies--a pink poodle and a pink and white hamster. Why, you'd have to ask my youngest daughter, who's home from college. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 14:51:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIpTtp014268 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:51:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BIpKUe012533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:51:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIocCA092390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 12:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIoUnu093899; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BIoJFl093669 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:50:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26677 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:24:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:24:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sources on turbans In-Reply-To: <20060511180817.61882.qmail@web26507.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:51:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446387A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Thu, 11 May 2006, Lena wrote: > --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > Related: Does anyone have a copy of Outcasts: Signs of Otherness in > > Northern European Art of the Late Middle Ages, by Ruth Mellinkoff? > > I've requested it, and will check tomorrow evening. Naturally I just heard from the presenter, and he has a copy in hand right now. So, I don't have to impose on your good nature! And thank you so much for stepping up. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 16:59:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BKx0rS018515 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:59:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BKwphK003840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 16:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BKwGf7012686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 14:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BKw6Oc021061; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BKvu5D020763 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IZ4004JRCVG92C0@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:57:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO I got a new dress dummy for Christmas a "Twin Fit" I love it! So far this Spring she is wearing a White Linen with Pink Embroidery Jacket I made this week. You can see here on my blog. http://girlinacafe.wordpress.com/ If I can, before going to summer school starting this Monday she will be wearing a Pirate Shirt made from Linen, and a Peasant Skirt with the Macramé belt I made, which can also be seen on my blog. Shameless self promotion I know. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 19:49:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BNn7mO023476 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:49:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BNmwtr022654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 19:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BNm5ha034708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 17:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BNlcTr080328; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BEQDg5042955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4BEQ7Ao055849 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:26:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:26:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <17441.65.117.156.5.1147357567.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20060511085736.zig7ka1jrkcs0scc@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060511071353.78918.qmail@web25604.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20060511085736.zig7ka1jrkcs0scc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:26:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? 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Status: RO The $3.00 garage sale girl is wearing something from a year and a half ago ..... http://www.glove.org/costume/current/pink_gold.jpg I am working on this pink one. Pink and gold with gold on white Cotton trim. (pre shrunk trim) I had to redo the sleeves and bodice so it is just pinned together so that I can redo the alignment. This was hard to do cause I wanted to match the pattern exactly all over. It needs to be pressed. The bodice will be attached to the skirt. The skirt for ease has a temporary waist band that will come off later. I need to redo the underskirt. It is a cream linen that is very light weight with a very subtle pattern of lines in it. I love how it feels! I predict that it will be August before I can get back to it so for now she sits and the fabric is hanging well. (I just got an order for 2 pairs of gloves for a reanactment display at Plymoth that I am very excited about. I will have to start a journal for them cause I have always dreamed about making a pair of gloves from the King James era, those gloves are to DIE for!!!) Grant it the fabric has been on her for a while now so the it should not pull when I put a lining in it. The lining has been hanging for a while too ... sigh. Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 19:51:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BNp4ht023584 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:51:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BNotLB022963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BNo8jY034867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 17:50:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BNmqlP081334; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BER26Y043663 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 08:27:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.71]) by ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060511142645.DYEZ26070.ispmxmta06-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:26:45 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.71]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060511142644.QRHZ19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:26:44 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060511091506.02c35660@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:26:16 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200605111216.k4BCFx1v014622@net.indra.com> References: <200605111216.k4BCFx1v014622@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Payment options was Re: Oseberg textiles book now available X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 19:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4463CDDF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Unfortunately, IMO's are not accepted... Thanks for the idea though. Beth At 07:16 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:33:42 -0300 >From: "Kelly Grant" > >Beth, can you do an International money order? Your bank should be able to >do this for you for a much smaller fee than paypal would charge you. > >Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 20:53:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C0rhRi026294 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:53:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C0rZ5s001358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:53:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C0r2x2039587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 18:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C0oSw0021380; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BHcmf6025933 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter99.comcast.net ([204.127.197.199]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060511155918m11009a6rae>; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:59:18 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter99.comcast.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:02:02 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New MCTBook Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:02:02 +0000 Message-Id: <051120061602.13948.44635FFA0005033F0000367C22135285730809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:53:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4463DC8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've come in at the end of this thread...What is the new MCT book? Thanks, Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Lalah" > I'll second that question! I just got mine and even with company I had to look > through it. Now, I can't wait for my company to go away so I can read it. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > --- wandap@hevanet.com wrote: > > From: "Wanda Pease" > To: "Historical Costume" > Cc: > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New MCTBook > Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 17:00:32 -0700 > > Got my MCT Book last week. My only Question: > > Robin! Are we going to have to wait a WHOLE YEAR for another? Are they > taking pre-orders yet? > > Regina Romsey/Wanda in Portland > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 22:07:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C27pYx028575 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:07:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C27gfK007216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:07:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C27JXJ044406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C24gqP067776; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C226Bf066043 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.446.2ab7ce (30739) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:55:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <446.2ab7ce.3195451a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:55:38 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5303 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:07:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4463EDEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO In a message dated 5/11/2006 5:01:20 P.M. 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 22:28:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2S8eK029014 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:28:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C2Rxvp028824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2RkAc045623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:27:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2PO9f081934; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:26:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BK0F3Q065981 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4BHsl111967 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:54:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4B63E6BD-DB77-4FC0-B397-23D63AF884CC@alfalfapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Althea Turner Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:54:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Interesting adaptation of Bronzino painting. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4463F2AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Interesting adaptation of Bronzino painting about half way down page. <-- obligatory costume content http://www.worth1000.com/cache/contest/contestcache.asp? contest_id=7794&display=photoshop..entries * * drink warning is issued for this web site. You've been warned. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4C2SwIi029027 Status: RO The old one, a duct tape double, was named Bess. The new one hasn't told me her name yet. alex On 5/11/06, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > > Mine's named Yasmine, and currently she's wearing the pinned together > bodice > of my new 17th cen. high necked bodice. Sprouting out of her neck are two > beanie babies--a pink poodle and a pink and white hamster. Why, you'd > have > to ask my youngest daughter, who's home from college. > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 22:55:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2tiE4029894 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:55:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C2tZpd002624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:55:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2t92w047900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2skom001821; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2sHK6001336 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:54:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30883 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:28:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:28:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New MCTBook In-Reply-To: <051120061602.13948.44635FFA0005033F0000367C22135285730809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:55:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4463F927.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 11 May 2006 elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > I've come in at the end of this thread...What is the new MCT book? Pardon the repetition for those who have heard this before... They're talking about "Medieval Clothing & Textiles," the journal I edit with Gale Owen-Crocker. The journal is an annual hardback, published every April. The contents of vols. 1 and 2 are here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43831236.HTM http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832038.HTM As I noted earlier, my publisher told me last week that Vol. 1 is nearly sold out; we're talking about the possibility of a reprint, which I sincerely hope will happen, but I can't make promises. I'd like to note that two of the papers in the just-released Vol. 2 were written by sometime members of this list: one by Drea Leed on 15th and 16th c. garment cleaning methods, and one by Danielle Nunn-Weinberg on Elizabethan women's embroidered jackets. Members of this list may also be especially interested in the pieces on early Irish dress (the footnotes to that one serve as a rundown of virtually everything that's out there on this topic) and Italian Renaissance "flea furs" (which includes a list of more than 70 documentary references to these remarkable items). There are other articles that will be useful to people working in various specialties; we try to cover a broad range of periods and disciplines in every volume. Feel free to forward this note around to other lists if you think their readers will be interested in these books (but please copy me in when you do). --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 22:58:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2wXpw030096 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 22:58:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C2wOsL030683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2w5dF048307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 20:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C2w5Cr004756; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4C2iEau094587 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 20:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 6759 invoked from network); 11 May 2006 19:44:13 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6739, pid: 6746, t: 4.7388s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 11 May 2006 19:44:09 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511194325.022b1ab8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:44:00 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting adaptation of Bronzino painting. In-Reply-To: <4B63E6BD-DB77-4FC0-B397-23D63AF884CC@alfalfapress.com> References: <4B63E6BD-DB77-4FC0-B397-23D63AF884CC@alfalfapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 22:58:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4463F9D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO At 10:54 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: >Interesting adaptation of Bronzino painting about half way down page. ><-- obligatory costume content > >http://www.worth1000.com/cache/contest/contestcache.asp? >contest_id=7794&display=photoshop..entries * > >* drink warning is issued for this web site. You've been warned. > >Althea Turner >althea@alfalfapress.com You need to be more specific. I don't feel like looking at every entry. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 23:07:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C37Qvx030293 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:07:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C37IXN032390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 23:07:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C36Zld049871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 21:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C36XnV012156; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C36Tg9012033 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30982 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:41:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Interesting adaptation of Bronzino painting. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060511194325.022b1ab8@surewest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 23:07:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4463FBE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 11 May 2006, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 10:54 AM 5/11/2006, you wrote: > >Interesting adaptation of Bronzino painting about half way down page. > ><-- obligatory costume content > > > >http://www.worth1000.com/cache/contest/contestcache.asp? > >contest_id=7794&display=photoshop..entries * > > You need to be more specific. I don't feel like looking at every entry. Do a text find for the term "Lily Munster" on that page, and you'll find it. It's about two-thirds down. But really, the Bronzino one isn't particularly witty, compared to the others -- I love Monet's Swampthing, for instance. (But I'm very fond of the Worth contests, even if they do take a century or two to load on dial-up.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 11 23:11:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C3BS0v030749 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:11:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C3BJra007531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 11 May 2006 23:11:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C3AnrZ050370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 21:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C3Anxd015604; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C3AlGA015516 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 21:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IZ4001LHU5R5TL6@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 23:10:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? In-reply-to: <446.2ab7ce.3195451a@aol.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] What's your dressmaker's dummy wearing this spring? Thread-index: AcZ1caeV5mmG9OFkEdqorwAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 11 May 2006 23:11:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4463FCD7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oppps sorry about that Ann I'm new to word press. You can go to my LJ "MissLemmon" to see the bigger pics and also pics of my Titanic Corset Mockup. http://misslemmon.livejournal.com/ On 5/11/06 9:55 PM, "AnnBWass@aol.com" wrote: > > In a message dated 5/11/2006 5:01:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > contessaisabel@optonline.net writes: > > http://girlinacafe.wordpress.com/ > > > > Wish your pics were a little bigger. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 01:07:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C573ub002075 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:07:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C56sZr030886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 01:06:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C55wCs065680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C55rAE013460; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C55led013295 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 23:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from dator1 (83.248.106.114) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.072.1) id 4461E044000836CD for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:05:41 +0200 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:10:39 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c67582$690d37b0$726af853@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200605120203.k4C1sZeA060967@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] SV: Sources on turbans - Mellinkoff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 01:06:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 446417EE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:12:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton Subject: [h-cost] Sources on turbans To: Historic Costume List >Related: Does anyone have a copy of Outcasts: Signs of Otherness in Northern European Art >of the Late Middle Ages, by Ruth Mellinkoff? I don't have it, but if I did, that's where >I'd start looking both for references to turbans and for footnotes thereon. If anyone has >it to hand, can you let me know if there's any turban content and/or related footnotes? I >don't need the text; I just want to know whether it's worth referring the presenter to >this book. I have it at work and will chevk today. I don't recall anything about turbans, but she writes a lot about headwear. Since turbans don't occur in Swedish or Norwegian medieval dress, and that's what my dissertation is about, I didn't take notice if she wrote about that or not. /Eva http://web.comhem.se/~u31138198/main.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 03:17:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C7HAER031017 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 03:17:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C7GxTw017300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 03:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C7GHDs078892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 01:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C7G9Im018830; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.24]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4C7G4xs018695 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48401 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2006 07:15:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vvDw1tbySLuuZsAXPHGDUi7UBUZH2kzkRE1iffK+8AhCXn+c/tEkykjyVrLp8LTouSbg2XDos2b5dTjcwv9OSo0GR9/dmd6tHCvEDP/jQ3c0/2E4CL2dlxicV/i7iRKZhJQkQJw6qpo84VwnirRqNWHOK1g9bfIzkKfXWmis9xA= ; Message-ID: <20060512071555.48399.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.35] by web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:15:55 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 03:17:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4464366B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HI, Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether piercing was consider "Crude" or lower class? If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they were wires what shape were they? Any and all info greatly appreciated. melody __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 03:56:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C7u79s002258 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 03:56:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C7twjI023737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 03:56:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C7tVSZ083068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 01:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C7tTlp051519; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4C7tPrk051395 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 01:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 906 invoked from network); 12 May 2006 07:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.125 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 07:55:19 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060512084621.01e2ceb8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:55:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery In-Reply-To: <20060512071555.48399.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060512071555.48399.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 03:56:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44643F8E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:15 12/05/2006, you wrote: >HI, > Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor > and Elizabethan jewelery? > Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to > reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had > pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether > piercing was consider "Crude" or lower class? > If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from > the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they > were wires what shape were they? > Any and all info greatly appreciated. > melody There is a catalogue of an exhibition called "Princely Magnificence" which has photos of jewellery for the period you are interested in. It has scholarly articles, and photos of people wearing jewellery as well as the jewellery itself. I have a copy and can post more details if it would help. It is quite old, though, (maybe 15-20 years) and possibly out of print. I seem to remember it was an exhibition at the V and A. To answer your question, pierced ears have been fashionable for hundreds of years, and I believe that you can see earrings on most of the portraits of Queen Elizabeth that are pierced in style. However, you also see them "hung" on the ears with narrow, usually black, ribbon. Unfortunately I cannot remember which particular painting I've seen with this effect. I don't know what style of wire is correct, but when Annie the Pedlar (http://www.anniethepedlar.com/) made the earrings for my Elizabeth figure, she did a lot of research, and made earrings with a sort of concealed fastening so the "rings" looked like complete hoops. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 04:20:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C8Jx5a005773 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:20:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4C8JnkR028602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 04:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C8JJBm086142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 02:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C8JE9Q070177; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C8JAYe070062 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 02:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1772E5100F6 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09436-02-6 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F3EA5100F5 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <030501c6759c$b5d0b620$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060512071555.48399.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 04:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 04:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44644525.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melody Watts" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 3:15 AM Subject: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery > HI, > Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and > Elizabethan jewelery? There is one called Tudor Jewelry by Diana Scarisbrick that is just jammed with pretty pictures. It's out of print, but I've seen it at abebooks, for under $50. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 06:47:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CAkv3V009557 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 06:47:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CAkmEe030633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 06:46:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CAkBap019051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 04:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CAk8Cr097700; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au (relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au [203.220.32.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CAk4C2097635 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@dodo.com.au) Received: from [61.68.234.168] (helo=GILGAMESH) by relay01.mail-hub.dodo.com.au with smtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 1FeV9l-0005rV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:46:02 +1000 Message-ID: <001f01c675b1$5e524930$a8ea443d@GILGAMESH> From: "Purple Elephant" To: References: <200605120203.k4C1sZeA060967@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:16:45 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 414 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 06:46:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44646798.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jayne Thomas" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:13 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's your dressmakers dummy wearing this spring? > Mine has neither name nor form at the moment, being disassembled in the shed. But if she wasn't she'd probably be wearing my new red linen kirtle. I'm not entirely content with the fit because I lost some weight over the four months or so it took me to make it, and I had to keep taking it in. Eventually I got to point where I thought 'stuff it, I'm sure I'll put the weight back on again'. I might dig her out again, because I've just started a new houppelande, and I'm not sure I can put the V bit in the back properly without it being on the dummy. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 07:28:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CBSW5o014977 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:28:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CBSN0C029686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 07:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CBRk5c023166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 05:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CBRif8033365; Fri, 12 May 2006 05:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-16.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-16.bluehost.com [70.98.111.231]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4CBRfSN033319 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 05:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 15932 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2006 11:27:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 12 May 2006 11:27:41 -0000 Received: from 96.80-202-68.nextgentel.com ([80.202.68.96] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FeVo5-0006Vj-85 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 May 2006 05:27:41 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:26:20 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 80.202.68.96 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Latest on Oseberg buying X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 07:28:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44647157.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've talked with the people at the uni bookshop. Yes, you can order through them and pay with Visa. You have to send the card info by e-mail though (divide the info and send 2 mails). You can not pay through the website for some reason. They are not quite sure about the price since they don't know if the museum will sell the book to them with a discount or not. The larger the discount, the less additional cost you'll have to pay. I've sent them the bookinfo they needed and asked about the price. They hadn't even heard of the book and needed full details to order it. "Osebergtekstilene" Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, ISBN 82-8984-024-9 Kulturhistorisk Museum, Oslo If you want to get in touch with the uni bookshop and the people who will take care of the bookorder; hfavd@akademika.no The woman I talked with suggested I have a word with the museum shop. She could see no reason why they couldn't get the necessary card info by mail and arrange the payment in the shop if the uni bookshop can. I'll be passing by the museum again within the next 2-3 days and will ask if it's possible to arrange things in the suggested manner. It might be a good idea if people who want to get the book gets in touch and asks about doing it that way too. j.g.kruse@khm.uio.no Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 12:39:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CGd5T4025788 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CGcu20000802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CGcAnY061779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 10:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CGc2nw040874; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CGbsVv040558 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from dator1 (83.248.106.114) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.072.1) id 4461E044000B5D02 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:37:40 +0200 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:43:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c675e3$2e49c3d0$726af853@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605120820.k4C8JFNj070183@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] SV:re:sources on tourbans - Mellinkoff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 12:39:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4464BA20.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Mellinkoff does mention tourbans. Since her focus is on outcasts she doen't discuss tourban as sign of holiness but other symbolic meanings, chiefly as a sign of the Other. 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Status: RO Thanks! ========================================================== Robin Netherton // Editor at Large robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1333 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 17:02:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL1wKb003395 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CL1ndT005208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:01:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL1HC2002605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 15:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL1B8M008319; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4CL14B0008084 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97446 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2006 21:00:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KormTmhO10oEqtqt8oTpCnZigfhl6ryWPBlT2r8toHOI8sKgnM06iGLsg0v/fbQ8XHnpgZI5QsLltVkY14vC3INPxvI0/kSYj0QsIvMcWjX/VyOlc6/n55009fSiCfr9Vsty8CzNJN0EcbRRcrxUnyWQj309k8EBZr1RXcbH5G0= ; Message-ID: <20060512210059.97444.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:00:59 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4464F7BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I need some help. I'm trying to find some ideas on costumes from the crusades, I mean that kind of mixture of christian and arabian clothing worn approx. at the end of 12th century. Maybe something like the costumes from the Kingdom of heaven, but rather some sort of noble-costume. I've really been searching for it quite long and I still can't find anything. Please if someone has any idea of some web page about it or whatever sort of information, tell me:-)) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 17:06:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL6WhS003855 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:06:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CL6MY4032649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL5hZO003200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL5ZWH012786; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rhombus.bright.net (rhombus.bright.net [209.143.0.75]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CL5K36012646 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from premier@bright.net) Received: from PremierDesigns (pool-70-105-75-211.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net [70.105.75.211]) by rhombus.bright.net (8.13.6/8.12.10) with SMTP id k4CL5GuD015037 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c67607$c65e5f40$463dfea9@PremierDesigns> From: "Premier Designs" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060512210059.97444.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:05:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:06:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4464F8CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, The only website I know of is www.costumes.org, this is a large reference site, and has all time periods. You may find some items on this site. Lena Meyer Premier Designs Historic Clothing 76 Jefferson Street Huron, OH 44839 Email: premier@bright.net Website: www.premierclothing.com 1-800-427-0907 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing > Hi, > I need some help. I'm trying to find some ideas on costumes from the > crusades, I mean that kind of mixture of christian and arabian clothing > worn approx. at the end of 12th century. Maybe something like the costumes > from the Kingdom of heaven, but rather some sort of noble-costume. I've > really been searching for it quite long and I still can't find anything. > Please if someone has any idea of some web page about it or whatever sort > of information, tell me:-)) > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 17:57:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CLvoK9005905 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CLvfi9019214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CLvRqA010488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 15:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CLvPQ7064286; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CLvK76064214 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21695 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:57:19 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:57:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing Thread-Index: AcZ2CBruR8v/dHMVSxuElbeb0vcqkgABPwgg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4CLvK76064214 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446504D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If you look at the Herbert Norris book(my copy is at home)of Medieval English Costume--it runs roughly 1066-1485. There is a 20's air to the scholarship and in the color plates, but the line drawings are pretty accurate, it seems. I'm no expert, but it seems that the influence of the Crusades on noble costume was more influencial as to importation of fabrics, like silk and precious metals, than actual costume as worn in the Holy Land. During the reign of Stephen, there was a short-lived "fad" for the use of lots of silk, crinkled or pleated in some way(not quite like the later creations of Marino Fortuny, but fairly close), into gowns for men and women that were not only long, but sometimes overlong, with very voluminous sleeves to match. Tight lacing of women's gowns to fit tighter around the torso had begun earlier around the time of King Richard I and King John. There was a lot a preaching against such fashions throwing a lot a Christian morality around, but of course those that could afford such fashions wore them anyway. There was some Eastern influence as too generously criss-cross belting and a kimino-like overrobe for women. Nothing directly Asian or Middle Eastern, but filtered through what Northern European nobility thought proper. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:01 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing Hi, I need some help. I'm trying to find some ideas on costumes from the crusades, I mean that kind of mixture of christian and arabian clothing worn approx. at the end of 12th century. Maybe something like the costumes from the Kingdom of heaven, but rather some sort of noble-costume. I've really been searching for it quite long and I still can't find anything. Please if someone has any idea of some web page about it or whatever sort of information, tell me:-)) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO Thanks, Gunvor. I've talked to Jorun Grønli Kruse as was told that they do not accept credit cards.. even in person. The museum requires EFT, check on a Norway bank or cash in NOK. Please keep us informed about the uni bookshop as you hear what the price would be. Beth >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:26:20 +0200 >From: "G.Vinje" > >I've talked with the people at the uni bookshop. Yes, you can order >through them and pay with Visa. You have to send the card info by e-mail >though (divide the info and send 2 mails). You can not pay through the >website for some reason. They are not quite sure about the price since >they don't know if the museum will sell the book to them with a discount >or not. The larger the discount, the less additional cost you'll have to >pay. I've sent them the bookinfo they needed and asked about the price. >They hadn't even heard of the book and needed full details to order it. > >"Osebergtekstilene" >Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, >ISBN 82-8984-024-9 >Kulturhistorisk Museum, Oslo > >If you want to get in touch with the uni bookshop and the people who will >take care of the bookorder; >hfavd@akademika.no > > >The woman I talked with suggested I have a word with the museum shop. She >could see no reason why they couldn't get the necessary card info by mail >and arrange the payment in the shop if the uni bookshop can. I'll be >passing by the museum again within the next 2-3 days and will ask if it's >possible to arrange things in the suggested manner. It might be a good >idea if people who want to get the book gets in touch and asks about doing >it that way too. >j.g.kruse@khm.uio.no > >Gunvor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 18:03:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CM3Qs4006042 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:03:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CM3Ihh029073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 18:03:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CM1Jup011146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 16:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CM1HSL067677; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4CLUiR2038424 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77642 invoked by uid 60001); 12 May 2006 21:30:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tvVHe8/9YHMtLFaYs9HMEcLtstvuexeH9/ccu3CcV3fR55XtHBouO1lk+MZzPyvYei6jLcSbwh/xd6NUNovNHzLXibHOPguDmjsDgUrClQFF39SxBySXUD52cHBoaoF0KhNun8ZGLkSGXN6zm5tqa7SJe7+Oornv4ua8CFFrCD0= ; Message-ID: <20060512213038.77640.qmail@web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.12] by web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:30:38 BST Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:30:38 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Skirt Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 18:03:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44650626.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. Many Thanks Jayne PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. 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Status: RO Greetings-- Abel, Cynthia wrote: > During the reign of Stephen, there was a short-lived "fad" for the use > of lots of silk, crinkled or pleated in some way(not quite like the > later creations of Marino Fortuny, but fairly close), into gowns for men > and women that were not only long, but sometimes overlong, with very > voluminous sleeves to match. Tight lacing of women's gowns to fit > tighter around the torso had begun earlier around the time of King > Richard I and King John. > I think this chronology is a little off. Richard and John came considerably after Stephen. By the end of John's reign (1216), the gowns are actually starting to loosen considerably through the body, although often retaining tight lower sleeves. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 19:58:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CNvxYH010747 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:58:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CNvnIB021810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 19:57:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CNvOhw023580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CNvG0K072384; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CNvCa4072327 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so393684nfc for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cL/o1OXSECx4k5ZN5BB+GpvxUlc1cJSMLBIGkqPCmTczBGvdfWhZpWDEG6OoWunr1WXbjPYi8HEjtF0vxZxfgVeSL63Wn8PjvqShR7o7+WBfftmATw9YAz0NdMWTsVK6Rnf7K1yMKwgyT/oChmQuGBM02qklcwXROX8zhtKvolM= Received: by 10.48.4.4 with SMTP id 4mr206186nfd; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.221.14 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0605121657h403f8808qab711f4ea202d1b9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:57:11 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Skirt Questions In-Reply-To: <20060512213038.77640.qmail@web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060512213038.77640.qmail@web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4CNvCa4072327 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 19:57:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446520FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Jayne, the best bet is to find a skirt or pants where the waist band is comfortable for your daughter and use that measurement. or you can always use a pair of grommets or eyelets on either side of the waistband for some give for a growing child. if it's underneath the bodice point, no one will see it. velvet isn't that heavy and should be just fine; i use cotton velveteen all the time and there's never a problem (unless i'm missing something in your question). i don't know how young your daughter is, but mine started wearing court dresses with hoops at 3 and velvet and good wool seemed to be interchangable. i never used anything that was blended with polyester; too hot even with hoops and it sparkles unnaturally in the sunlight. not to mention that bodice and skirt usually match with the forepart or forepart and sleeves contrasting. looking forward to seeing your pictures, lynn On 5/12/06, Jayne Thomas wrote: > Hi! > > I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. > Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. > > Many Thanks > Jayne > > PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 12 20:48:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D0mLtK012479 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 20:48:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4D0mCmM031668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 12 May 2006 20:48:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D0lTX2027914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 18:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D0lQ7D017999; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz (fep02.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D0lKoQ017848 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.161.9]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060513004710.TXAA15142.fep02.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 12:47:10 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.392 [268.5.6/338]); Sat, 13 May 2006 12:47:21 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c67626$cb53f630$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060512213038.77640.qmail@web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Skirt Questions Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:47:21 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 12 May 2006 20:48:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44652CCC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. > Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. It would look better made from the same fabric. If you are worried about the weight, do not use a cartridge pleated skirt. ou are going to wind up with a lot of fabric. Why not cut the skirt from gored panels? It was the way every pattern and every extant item before 1600 we have was done. Piecing of gores and wide varied though. It's not too hard to do, and is rather more graceful, and reduces bulk but still gives you a good flare at the hem. http://www.vertetsable.com/research_b181.htm http://www.vertetsable.com/research_f47.htm#pattern http://www.vertetsable.com/research_f41.htm http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/womens.html There are images which show what could be straight cut skirt panels, but they tend to be Venetian or a particularly finely pleated German style. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayne Thomas" To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 7:30 AM Subject: [h-cost] Skirt Questions > Hi! > > I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 > gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt > (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got > home from purchasing the velvet. > Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a > black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her > waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise > the wear she will get out of it. > > Many Thanks > Jayne > > PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. > In general I think waistbands are more trouble than they are worth for 16th century gowns and for a little girl with no hips my recommendation to attach the bodice and skirt is doubly strong. It's much easier to suspend a garment from a child's shoulders than their waist. If you do make a waistband you may have to resort to elastic to keep the balance between comfortable and not falling down. I haven't seen evidence for mismatched bodices and skirts in England before the advent of the wheel farthingale (and even those are vanishingly rare) so I'd suggest using the velvet and following Michaela's advice on cutting down on the fabric you use. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 13 01:06:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D5612A019364 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:06:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4D55qLg024732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D54iqa049379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 12 May 2006 23:04:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D54dTg032521; Fri, 12 May 2006 23:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D54a1q032474 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 23:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.18] (acty3018.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.18]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D815CB97 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446568E0.5060702@dandy.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:04:32 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor/Elizabethan Jewelery References: <20060512071555.48399.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060512071555.48399.qmail@web36607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44656930.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. I don't know if they ever did a reprint, but there is the London Museum Catalog #2 Cheapside Hoard dated 1928. It doesn't seem to have anything definitely an earring, though, but has some pendants which might have been, but who knows? Sorry, Mike T. Melody Watts wrote: >HI, > Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? > Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether piercing was consider "Crude" or lower class? > If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they were wires what shape were they? > Any and all info greatly appreciated. > melody > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO Have you asked the people on the 12centurygarb list? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12thcenturygarb/ /Lena --- Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > I need some help. I'm trying to find some ideas on > costumes from the crusades, I mean that kind of > mixture of christian and arabian clothing worn > approx. at the end of 12th century. Maybe something > like the costumes from the Kingdom of heaven, but > rather some sort of noble-costume. I've really been > searching for it quite long and I still can't find > anything. Please if someone has any idea of some web > page about it or whatever sort of information, tell > me:-)) > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO At 06:04 13/05/2006, you wrote: >Hi. I don't know if they ever did a reprint, but there is the London >Museum Catalog #2 Cheapside Hoard dated 1928. It doesn't seem to >have anything definitely an earring, though, but has some pendants >which might have been, but who knows? Sorry, Mike T. > There is a brand new, little, book about the Cheapside hoard, available from the museum shop but that is later than Tudor, and I would not have thought would be suitable. Suzi >Melody Watts wrote: > >>HI, Can anyone reccomend a book ,with drawings or photos , of >>Tudor and Elizabethan jewelery? >> Or even leads to good paintings would help... I 'm trying to >> reproduce Elizabethan earrings and I don't know wether they had >> pierced ears ,for ladies and gents, at that time period,or wether >> piercing was consider "Crude" or lower class? >> If it was acceptable, how were pearls or jewels suspended from >> the wires? I'm assuming they were wires- not post/studs-, if they >> were wires what shape were they? >> Any and all info greatly appreciated. >> melody _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 13 12:29:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DGSx5j016807 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 12:29:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4DGSoMv005978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 May 2006 12:28:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DGS6EC026236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 May 2006 10:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DGS1qv016463; Sat, 13 May 2006 10:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DGRwOZ016393 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 10:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aoghann@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so457730nfc for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:27:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f2V+l93R81tZMH1bFeBKuJ0G1VTAf2K6bDS034gdFaTTy2AIZtDB2vgXl7MFdB1pg+mIALEq4VOqP6DP6ZX2vTHJMsqsDthxxEfBCRytKRkfw4fogjBu1UpE1IrdjPNT7EMK6TE9jI4Q/V3Ps24dtMCE7R2G9IFcrKCN8ytDxB4= Received: by 10.48.47.7 with SMTP id u7mr2012499nfu; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.157.18 with HTTP; Sat, 13 May 2006 09:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:27:54 -0400 From: "Lonnie D. Harvel" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 12c crusades clothing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4DGRwOZ016393 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 13 May 2006 12:28:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44660942.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 5/12/06, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > I'm no expert, but it seems that the influence of the Crusades on noble > costume was more influencial as to importation of fabrics, like silk and > precious metals, than actual costume as worn in the Holy Land. I have a question regarding the silk. What modern silk fabrics would be good for use as cotes, surcotes, and such? Lonnie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 13 13:10:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DHAIwv018674 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:10:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4DHA9aH015401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 May 2006 13:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DH9FEM029719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 May 2006 11:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DH9DbH054277; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4DH99hK054133 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 93140 invoked from network); 13 May 2006 17:09:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F1bmTKx+bpPNI1/VRV0WlRI2vro3lIlb+5OBnnd0H7JP+wwY9AOC7SfQUB+lRNs5Un922TC9m8kd5REM0+DEGEs+WrT/B2gFBCvzTOkXzJbQknfyhdNjy91lhn27D60MMwp6tlzQBRGaCTv6oKwTKybs/tr3M0gh4ymhgmzRdmc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) 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Status: RO Greetings-- Lonnie D. Harvel wrote: > I have a question regarding the silk. What modern silk fabrics would > be good for use as cotes, surcotes, and such? I'm fond of silk taffeta, although you will likely need to line most of the weights obtainable without breaking the bank. I buy mine from our East Indian district here in Toronto, and it ranges from $12-$14 a yard. It definitely does need that lining, though. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 13 15:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DJpg6Y025817 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 15:51:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4DJpXgU014743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 May 2006 15:51:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DJp6He044846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 May 2006 13:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DJp36p090809; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:51:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DJoxpA090761 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:51:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7696C4031A; Sat, 13 May 2006 19:45:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Skirt Questions Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:51:13 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c676c6$96f61670$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060512213038.77640.qmail@web27502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Make the skirt long enough for her in a few years, then hem it to her height now. That way you can let it out and cover the line with some trim. If you pleat the material into the skirt, you can redo it onto a longer waistband in a few years. Just save some of the velvet to make another waistband. Personally, I'd do both bodice and skirt in the same material. Make it in wool if the velvet is too heavy. It's actually cooler and lighter in weight. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jayne Thomas Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:31 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Skirt Questions Hi! I'm back with more questions! I was planning to make my daughters 1569 gown in black velvet, only to have a concern with the weight of the skirt (I'm putting in a forepart, rather than have a full petticoat) when I got home from purchasing the velvet. Would it be alright to do the bodice in the velvet, and the skirt in a black wool blend? Also, how much ease do I put into the waistband - her waist size is 20 and a half inches? I'm doing separate pieces to maximise the wear she will get out of it. Many Thanks Jayne PS I hope to download the photos of the bodice over the weekend. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 13 19:51:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DNpEKX001428 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 19:51:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4DNp55p020510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 May 2006 19:51:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DNoJ2p069739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 May 2006 17:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DNoDbx084277; Sat, 13 May 2006 17:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DNo92F084217 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 17:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21743 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:24:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:24:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seeking source: Mayo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 13 May 2006 19:51:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446670E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone have a copy of Janet Mayo's, A History of Ecclesiastical Dress at hand? I need a page number of a source. (No need for anyone to go requesting or ILL'ing it on my account -- I'll do that if necessary -- but if someone has it in arm's reach that could save me the trouble!) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 13 23:08:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4E38SYV008151 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 23:08:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4E38J2u021383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 13 May 2006 23:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4E37vEM086674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 13 May 2006 21:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4E37qHB042588; Sat, 13 May 2006 21:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4E37nwE042461 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 21:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from susannaheanes@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 6869 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2006 03:07:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yKO6uvLVMCf+pffzoEUdGOcH78ihYvu+cB8aPywXEM14JsyHUtVNhmnJm1i08YUvar8ihS71cAzNwHe6AWpj/rFMODw8U1P+x4nUpK8OQommWcZdH0DQxz4v6KOYlP8tHFRagj9NUqD7OelWVULuILNfctVzWAFp1WTMUxmkWZI= ; Message-ID: <20060514030743.6867.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.19.132.26] by web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 May 2006 20:07:43 PDT Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: susannah eanes To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 13 May 2006 23:08:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44669F23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO i am making one last effort to find an extant set of regency era unboned stays (or having only a few bones). in my travels i have seen only 4 or 5 of these, and all are very different from one another. i do have one pattern a colleague is sharing for a front-closing version, but would really like to find at least 3 good examples that could reasonably be made by the average seamstress with a good pattern. if anyone knows of a set in either a private or public or any museum collection that we could go & study, that would be really nice. if anyone has access to or can share information on these, i would appreciate it. we are working on this pattern for docent use at a living history site c. 1800-1815. thanks for any and all information, susannah Fig & Folly Historic Patterns www.fig-n-folly.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 14 13:25:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EHOtC7019840 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:24:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4EHOkg0017929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 May 2006 13:24:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EHO9Ce090219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 11:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EHO35J057139; Sun, 14 May 2006 11:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EGB3lO086365 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 10:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FfJBJ-0006vh-00 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 02:10:57 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060514030743.6867.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060514030743.6867.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 02:12:41 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 May 2006 13:24:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446767DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 14/05/2006, at 1:07 PM, susannah eanes wrote: > I am making one last effort to find an extant set of regency era > unboned stays (or having only a few bones). In my travels I have seen > only 4 or 5 of these, and all are very different from one another. I > do have one pattern a colleague is sharing for a front-closing > version, but would really like to find at least 3 good examples that > could reasonably be made by the average seamstress with a good > pattern. If anyone knows of a set in either a private or public or > any museum collection that we could go & study, that would be really > nice. > > If anyone has access to or can share information on these, I would > appreciate it. We are working on this pattern for docent use at a > living history site c. > 1800-1815. > > thanks for any and all information, > susannah > Fig & Folly Historic Patterns > www.fig-n-folly.com > Hi, Susannah, The Kyoto Costume Institute sponsored an exhibit many years ago which travelled the world, called "Revolution in Fashion, 1715-1815." The original catalogue from that exhibit has become a seriously expensive collector's item, has now been re-printed, and, I have heard, is on the internet somewhere, although I haven't checked it out personally. The catalogue has at least 3 pages of corsetry covering/bracketing your period, so I've listed here the two most relevant. Page 101 (with description on page 152) shows four corsets from the late 18th C (three from 1785, including one child's corset; and one from 1790). All of these pieces have boning in them to some degree, although one has only a little boning supplementing quilting. Page 103 shows three corsets and a brassiere from 1820 or so (commentary for this page is also written up on page 152, along with a picture of the brassiere laid out flat). The 1820 corset is stiffened only with cording quilted in. The other three pieces are dated only as "early nineteenth century." The brassiere is described as "boned at bust" only; the other two corsets rely only on cord-quilting for their shapes. Page 152 also has a French print of 1809, called "The Fad for Corsets," showing four women being laced into their corsets by their(?) menfolk. The corset shapes are a bit exaggerated, but the picture is clear enough to give you some idea of corsetry between the eras represented by the photo examples. There are no credits given for the owners of any of these; it's fairly safe to assume that they all (still) belong to the Kyoto Costume Institute. Hope this helps! Beth Schoenberg --- in warm and overcast autumnal Canberra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 14 16:46:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKkX9L026543 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:46:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4EKkNMT032323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 May 2006 16:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKj5ng011845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 14:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKiv07038963; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKiTJU038675 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A6A402EC; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:44:20 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 14 May 2006 16:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c67797$93f1c420$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060514030743.6867.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:47:11 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 May 2006 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44679720.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The one I own is made similar to a sort of 'longline bra. It is a wrap around with the opening in the front. Of a heavy weight canvas or duck. it offers a more than adequate bust control. Would be glad to share the pattern I have developed with it. SASE. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Schoenberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays > > On 14/05/2006, at 1:07 PM, susannah eanes wrote: > > > I am making one last effort to find an extant set of regency era > > unboned stays (or having only a few bones). In my travels I have seen > > only 4 or 5 of these, and all are very different from one another. I > > do have one pattern a colleague is sharing for a front-closing > > version, but would really like to find at least 3 good examples that > > could reasonably be made by the average seamstress with a good > > pattern. If anyone knows of a set in either a private or public or > > any museum collection that we could go & study, that would be really > > nice. > > > > If anyone has access to or can share information on these, I would > > appreciate it. We are working on this pattern for docent use at a > > living history site c. > > 1800-1815. > > > > thanks for any and all information, > > susannah > > Fig & Folly Historic Patterns > > www.fig-n-folly.com > > > > Hi, Susannah, > > The Kyoto Costume Institute sponsored an exhibit many years ago which > travelled the world, called "Revolution in Fashion, 1715-1815." The > original catalogue from that exhibit has become a seriously expensive > collector's item, has now been re-printed, and, I have heard, is on the > internet somewhere, although I haven't checked it out personally. > > The catalogue has at least 3 pages of corsetry covering/bracketing your > period, so I've listed here the two most relevant. Page 101 (with > description on page 152) shows four corsets from the late 18th C (three > from 1785, including one child's corset; and one from 1790). All of > these pieces have boning in them to some degree, although one has only > a little boning supplementing quilting. > > Page 103 shows three corsets and a brassiere from 1820 or so > (commentary for this page is also written up on page 152, along with a > picture of the brassiere laid out flat). The 1820 corset is stiffened > only with cording quilted in. The other three pieces are dated only > as "early nineteenth century." The brassiere is described as "boned > at bust" only; the other two corsets rely only on cord-quilting for > their shapes. > > Page 152 also has a French print of 1809, called "The Fad for Corsets," > showing four women being laced into their corsets by their(?) menfolk. > The corset shapes are a bit exaggerated, but the picture is clear > enough to give you some idea of corsetry between the eras represented > by the photo examples. > > There are no credits given for the owners of any of these; it's fairly > safe to assume that they all (still) belong to the Kyoto Costume > Institute. > > Hope this helps! > > Beth Schoenberg > --- in warm and overcast autumnal Canberra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 14 16:56:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKuOKp027079 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:56:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4EKuFTe001442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 May 2006 16:56:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKtvRo012908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKtu5K048079; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKtpWY047936 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3e0.2872442 (15865) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID64-3df94467994cad; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:55:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <001301c67797$93f1c420$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> References: <20060514030743.6867.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001301c67797$93f1c420$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> Message-Id: <1bbfdce34badd1d08028f9ccb2a0efc6@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:55:38 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 May 2006 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4467996F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathleen, You pattern sounds good and comfortable. WOuld you post it somewhere to share? Thanks. Susan "Gentlemen, in the little moment that remains to us between the crisis and the catastrophe, we may as well drink a glass of Champagne." Paul Claudel On May 14, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > The one I own is made similar to a sort of 'longline bra. It is a wrap > around with the opening in the front. Of a heavy weight canvas or > duck. it > offers a more than adequate bust control. Would be glad to share the > pattern > I have developed with it. SASE. > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth Schoenberg" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays > > >> >> On 14/05/2006, at 1:07 PM, susannah eanes wrote: >> >>> I am making one last effort to find an extant set of regency era >>> unboned stays (or having only a few bones). In my travels I have >>> seen >>> only 4 or 5 of these, and all are very different from one another. I >>> do have one pattern a colleague is sharing for a front-closing >>> version, but would really like to find at least 3 good examples that >>> could reasonably be made by the average seamstress with a good >>> pattern. If anyone knows of a set in either a private or public or >>> any museum collection that we could go & study, that would be really >>> nice. >>> >>> If anyone has access to or can share information on these, I would >>> appreciate it. We are working on this pattern for docent use at a >>> living history site c. >>> 1800-1815. >>> >>> thanks for any and all information, >>> susannah >>> Fig & Folly Historic Patterns >>> www.fig-n-folly.com >>> >> >> Hi, Susannah, >> >> The Kyoto Costume Institute sponsored an exhibit many years ago which >> travelled the world, called "Revolution in Fashion, 1715-1815." The >> original catalogue from that exhibit has become a seriously expensive >> collector's item, has now been re-printed, and, I have heard, is on >> the >> internet somewhere, although I haven't checked it out personally. >> >> The catalogue has at least 3 pages of corsetry covering/bracketing >> your >> period, so I've listed here the two most relevant. Page 101 (with >> description on page 152) shows four corsets from the late 18th C >> (three >> from 1785, including one child's corset; and one from 1790). All of >> these pieces have boning in them to some degree, although one has only >> a little boning supplementing quilting. >> >> Page 103 shows three corsets and a brassiere from 1820 or so >> (commentary for this page is also written up on page 152, along with a >> picture of the brassiere laid out flat). The 1820 corset is >> stiffened >> only with cording quilted in. The other three pieces are dated only >> as "early nineteenth century." The brassiere is described as "boned >> at bust" only; the other two corsets rely only on cord-quilting for >> their shapes. >> >> Page 152 also has a French print of 1809, called "The Fad for >> Corsets," >> showing four women being laced into their corsets by their(?) >> menfolk. >> The corset shapes are a bit exaggerated, but the picture is clear >> enough to give you some idea of corsetry between the eras represented >> by the photo examples. >> >> There are no credits given for the owners of any of these; it's >> fairly >> safe to assume that they all (still) belong to the Kyoto Costume >> Institute. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> Beth Schoenberg >> --- in warm and overcast autumnal Canberra >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 14 18:25:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMPijI029283 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:25:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4EMPZIe029963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 May 2006 18:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMOkWC021243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 16:24:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMOhft023538; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMOdxc023472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.221] (209-148-122-221.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4EMOb7V019007 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:24:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4467AE2C.3080606@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:24:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1825-1829 laced dress bodices X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 May 2006 18:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4467AE5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am making a dress from the second half of the 1820s that laces up the back. I am aware that back lacing was not universal but it was sometimes used and I need pictures of how it was done. A question for those who have seen actual examples of laced-up dress bodices from 1825-1829: Do they have staggered eyelets or symmetrical ones on the right and left backs? The only original dresses I own from that period are closed by other means. Thanks for any definite info. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 14 18:54:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMsE3x030617 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4EMs4Vr001760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMrkYS024511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 16:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMrj3F048788; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMre4j048639 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A4EB0178; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:53:31 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.159 ([209.131.80.159] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 14 May 2006 18:53:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c677a9$9820c2a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060514030743.6867.qmail@web30314.mail.mud.yahoo.com><001301c67797$93f1c420$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> <1bbfdce34badd1d08028f9ccb2a0efc6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:56:07 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 May 2006 18:54:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4467B50C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As I suggested, I can do it SASE. Our computer equipment isn't quite up to more sophisticated stuff. Just supply me with an address. KSM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays > Kathleen, > > You pattern sounds good and comfortable. WOuld you post it somewhere > to share? > > Thanks. > > Susan > "Gentlemen, in the little moment that remains to us between the crisis > and the catastrophe, we may as well drink a glass of Champagne." Paul > Claudel > > On May 14, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > > The one I own is made similar to a sort of 'longline bra. It is a wrap > > around with the opening in the front. Of a heavy weight canvas or > > duck. it > > offers a more than adequate bust control. Would be glad to share the > > pattern > > I have developed with it. SASE. > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Beth Schoenberg" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays > > > > > >> > >> On 14/05/2006, at 1:07 PM, susannah eanes wrote: > >> > >>> I am making one last effort to find an extant set of regency era > >>> unboned stays (or having only a few bones). In my travels I have > >>> seen > >>> only 4 or 5 of these, and all are very different from one another. I > >>> do have one pattern a colleague is sharing for a front-closing > >>> version, but would really like to find at least 3 good examples that > >>> could reasonably be made by the average seamstress with a good > >>> pattern. If anyone knows of a set in either a private or public or > >>> any museum collection that we could go & study, that would be really > >>> nice. > >>> > >>> If anyone has access to or can share information on these, I would > >>> appreciate it. We are working on this pattern for docent use at a > >>> living history site c. > >>> 1800-1815. > >>> > >>> thanks for any and all information, > >>> susannah > >>> Fig & Folly Historic Patterns > >>> www.fig-n-folly.com > >>> > >> > >> Hi, Susannah, > >> > >> The Kyoto Costume Institute sponsored an exhibit many years ago which > >> travelled the world, called "Revolution in Fashion, 1715-1815." The > >> original catalogue from that exhibit has become a seriously expensive > >> collector's item, has now been re-printed, and, I have heard, is on > >> the > >> internet somewhere, although I haven't checked it out personally. > >> > >> The catalogue has at least 3 pages of corsetry covering/bracketing > >> your > >> period, so I've listed here the two most relevant. Page 101 (with > >> description on page 152) shows four corsets from the late 18th C > >> (three > >> from 1785, including one child's corset; and one from 1790). All of > >> these pieces have boning in them to some degree, although one has only > >> a little boning supplementing quilting. > >> > >> Page 103 shows three corsets and a brassiere from 1820 or so > >> (commentary for this page is also written up on page 152, along with a > >> picture of the brassiere laid out flat). The 1820 corset is > >> stiffened > >> only with cording quilted in. The other three pieces are dated only > >> as "early nineteenth century." The brassiere is described as "boned > >> at bust" only; the other two corsets rely only on cord-quilting for > >> their shapes. > >> > >> Page 152 also has a French print of 1809, called "The Fad for > >> Corsets," > >> showing four women being laced into their corsets by their(?) > >> menfolk. > >> The corset shapes are a bit exaggerated, but the picture is clear > >> enough to give you some idea of corsetry between the eras represented > >> by the photo examples. > >> > >> There are no credits given for the owners of any of these; it's > >> fairly > >> safe to assume that they all (still) belong to the Kyoto Costume > >> Institute. > >> > >> Hope this helps! > >> > >> Beth Schoenberg > >> --- in warm and overcast autumnal Canberra > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 14 21:12:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F1Chkm001578 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:12:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4F1CYV7031924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 14 May 2006 21:12:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F1Bsl7038612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 19:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F1Bos2061748; Sun, 14 May 2006 19:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F1Bjiu061614 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 19:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IZA00CRL8NC8FO0@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 14 May 2006 21:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 21:11:32 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for extant late 18c - early 19c stays In-reply-to: <002201c677a9$9820c2a0$9f5083d1@rmitchellras> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 14 May 2006 21:12:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4467D582.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry to jump in late on this, but the Costume museum at the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City, N.Y. had one on display until May 13th . The exhibit is down now, but contact them and maybe they can help you. Best Regards- Monica Spence > >> On 14/05/2006, at 1:07 PM, susannah eanes wrote: > >> > >>> I am making one last effort to find an extant set of regency era > >>> unboned stays (or having only a few bones). In my travels I have > >>> seen > >>> only 4 or 5 of these, and all are very different from one another. I > >>> do have one pattern a colleague is sharing for a front-closing > >>> version, but would really like to find at least 3 good examples that > >>> could reasonably be made by the average seamstress with a good > >>> pattern. If anyone knows of a set in either a private or public or > >>> any museum collection that we could go & study, that would be really > >>> nice. > >>> > >>> If anyone has access to or can share information on these, I would > >>> appreciate it. We are working on this pattern for docent use at a > >>> living history site c. > >>> 1800-1815. > >>> > >>> thanks for any and all information, > >>> susannah > >>> Fig & Folly Historic Patterns > >>> www.fig-n-folly.com > >>> > >> > >> Hi, Susannah, > >> > >> The Kyoto Costume Institute sponsored an exhibit many years ago which > >> travelled the world, called "Revolution in Fashion, 1715-1815." The > >> original catalogue from that exhibit has become a seriously expensive > >> collector's item, has now been re-printed, and, I have heard, is on > >> the > >> internet somewhere, although I haven't checked it out personally. > >> > >> The catalogue has at least 3 pages of corsetry covering/bracketing > >> your > >> period, so I've listed here the two most relevant. Page 101 (with > >> description on page 152) shows four corsets from the late 18th C > >> (three > >> from 1785, including one child's corset; and one from 1790). All of > >> these pieces have boning in them to some degree, although one has only > >> a little boning supplementing quilting. > >> > >> Page 103 shows three corsets and a brassiere from 1820 or so > >> (commentary for this page is also written up on page 152, along with a > >> picture of the brassiere laid out flat). The 1820 corset is > >> stiffened > >> only with cording quilted in. The other three pieces are dated only > >> as "early nineteenth century." The brassiere is described as "boned > >> at bust" only; the other two corsets rely only on cord-quilting for > >> their shapes. > >> > >> Page 152 also has a French print of 1809, called "The Fad for > >> Corsets," > >> showing four women being laced into their corsets by their(?) > >> menfolk. > >> The corset shapes are a bit exaggerated, but the picture is clear > >> enough to give you some idea of corsetry between the eras represented > >> by the photo examples. > >> > >> There are no credits given for the owners of any of these; it's > >> fairly > >> safe to assume that they all (still) belong to the Kyoto Costume > >> Institute. > >> > >> Hope this helps! > >> > >> Beth Schoenberg > >> --- in warm and overcast autumnal Canberra > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 15 00:02:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F41wOC003711 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:02:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4F41s1v003502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 May 2006 00:01:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F41Dfr054831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 14 May 2006 22:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F418E3009471; Sun, 14 May 2006 22:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4F4154L009423 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 22:01:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FfUGW-0003tW-01 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 15 May 2006 00:01:04 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060514225931.02b305e8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:00:45 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200605141800.k4EI0Pfh091655@net.indra.com> References: <200605141800.k4EI0Pfh091655@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Ecclesiastical Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 May 2006 00:01:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4467FD32.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin, We have it - what page do you need??? Sandy At 01:00 PM 5/14/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:24:46 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >Subject: [h-cost] Seeking source: Mayo > >Does anyone have a copy of Janet Mayo's, A History of Ecclesiastical Dress >at hand? I need a page number of a source. > >(No need for anyone to go requesting or ILL'ing it on my account -- I'll >do that if necessary -- but if someone has it in arm's reach that could >save me the trouble!) > >--Robin "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 15 23:08:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G380T2016705 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 23:08:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4G37uUb005532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 May 2006 23:08:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G37TsV049879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 May 2006 21:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G37OSf039385; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G37Kxq039298 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-10.cvip.net [129.8.205.10]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CE31745C for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 20:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060515194100.0377c7b0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:41:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: Patterns for Costume Accessories In-Reply-To: <3bf701c673f9$f6f218f0$060ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509224306.038798e8@64.87.54.245> <3bf701c673f9$f6f218f0$060ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 May 2006 23:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4469420C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:21 PM 5/9/2006, you wrote: >I have the book on order. I am very interested to see what they did to the >glove patterns. > >Chiara Hi Chiara, Please let us know how what you think when you get it in. Thanks, Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 15 23:09:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G391wg016820 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 23:09:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4G38CLj007010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 15 May 2006 23:08:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G37T6e049880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 15 May 2006 21:07:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G37Og5039384; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shadow.csufresno.edu (relay-1.csufresno.edu [129.8.57.22]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G37KhB039291 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 21:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kimiko@kimiko1.com) Received: from earthlink.kimiko1.com (cvip-dsl-205-10.cvip.net [129.8.205.10]) by shadow.csufresno.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686DD17451 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 20:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20060515194028.0383d8c0@64.87.54.245> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:40:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] New book: Patterns for Costume Accessories In-Reply-To: <44620D2A.6010009@reddawn.net> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509224306.038798e8@64.87.54.245> <44620D2A.6010009@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 15 May 2006 23:08:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4469421C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:56 AM 5/10/2006, you wrote: >The blurb for it on other sites says: "A collection of over 80 patterns >for period and contemporary accessories. The headwear chapter includes 12 >patterns from baseball caps to mob caps. There are 22 variations of >neckwear. Also included are patterns for various hand-held accessories >such as reticules and gauntlets. With complete instructions and >illustrations of the finished pieces, you'll find a solution to almost any >costume accessory need." > >Looks like a fairly broad time-range is covered. > >Grannd.com has it advertised for $26, almost $10 less than Amazon, but >you'd have to pay shipping. Thank you Dawn for this blurb. Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 03:32:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7WLKk026992 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 03:32:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4G7WHdm015530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 03:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7TkHG076836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 01:29:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7TdD6053940; Tue, 16 May 2006 01:29:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7TZxU053884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 01:29:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 10440 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 00:29:35 -0700 Received: from spc2-port1-0-0-cust609.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (86.6.30.98) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 16 May 2006 00:29:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c678ba$96d48c80$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200605151800.k4FI0Qx6091635@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:29:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Disaster! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 03:32:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44698001.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, can anyone offer any advice please, I'm desperate! I made a set of swaddling clothes, biggin, coif, forehead cloths, shirt, 4 12ft long swaddling bands, tail clouts, belly band etc. etc.all from beautiful old french linen, fully hand stitched. I've been boiling them up regularly with home made soap to soften the linen, it's been working really well. When I stayed with a friend who was going to photograph the set for me she put the clothes into her machine for a boil. Unfortunately she had previously been felting some red wool fabric in the machine and now I have a set of pink baby linen. I've tried the Dylon dye remover and chlorine bleach and it's not made any difference. Avice to remove the colour (or evidence of pink baby linen!) would be gratefully recieved. I know in the great scheme of things there are worse things that could happen, but last night I started to cut out a new set of clothes and ended up in floods of tears. My partner has said we can still photograph the clothing and he can use the computer to make the clothing look the right colour but I've spent three years researching and making this project, was hoping to start school presentations in September. Thanks for listening. regards Joy Shillaker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 03:39:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7dlCI027716 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 03:39:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4G7cxG3017041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 03:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7clsP077735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 01:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7ck4R061392; Tue, 16 May 2006 01:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G7ceqm061311 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 01:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0444F602D4; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:33:24 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Disaster! 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Status: RO I got dye out of cotton with Rit dye remover, I don't know if it's the same as the Dylon remover, but isn't that cold water? Rit works in simmering water. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joy Shillaker Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:30 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Disaster! Hello, can anyone offer any advice please, I'm desperate! I made a set of swaddling clothes, biggin, coif, forehead cloths, shirt, 4 12ft long swaddling bands, tail clouts, belly band etc. etc.all from beautiful old french linen, fully hand stitched. I've been boiling them up regularly with home made soap to soften the linen, it's been working really well. When I stayed with a friend who was going to photograph the set for me she put the clothes into her machine for a boil. Unfortunately she had previously been felting some red wool fabric in the machine and now I have a set of pink baby linen. I've tried the Dylon dye remover and chlorine bleach and it's not made any difference. Avice to remove the colour (or evidence of pink baby linen!) would be gratefully recieved. I know in the great scheme of things there are worse things that could happen, but last night I started to cut out a new set of clothes and ended up in floods of tears. My partner has said we can still photograph the clothing and he can use the computer to make the clothing look the right colour but I've spent three years researching and making this project, was hoping to start school presentations in September. Thanks for listening. regards Joy Shillaker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 04:05:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G859nO030309 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 04:05:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4G855ux023924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 04:05:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G84UjY079787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 02:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G84TVb081042; Tue, 16 May 2006 02:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4G84PlE080980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 02:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29830 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FfuXY-0000a2-Ab for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 May 2006 03:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <0b3e01c678bf$57de7040$9400a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c678bb$c20e1c80$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! 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Status: RO You poor thing--how frustrating! I second the suggestion of RIT color remover, but if you do it by simmering (instead of a hot water washing machine load/tub) I also suggest that you do it piece by piece and remove the linen from the pot the second it turns back to white. If you leave it longer, it always seems to turn yellow, and that yellow is just about impossible to remove. Also, be sure to pre-wash the linen several times, as the RIT color remover reacts with bleach, turning the fabric orange when exposed to both and then to air, and probably sending off a lot of nasty fumes as well. (This happened to me on linen, even after having sent the color-removered linen through a wash cycle before trying the bleach.) That orange can be bleached out though, if I remember right. (Isn't chemistry fun.) Aaaanyway. Dharma Trading sells a color remover which might be worth a try: http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1535-AA.shtml In my experience, it's pretty similar to the RIT stuff, but it may be different chemically. Also, hydrogen peroxide might be worth trying. Specific types of bleach to try are enzymatic bleach, which should get rid of any protein-based material (hey, it could be bug red), and oxygen bleaches such as oxy-clean, which are hydrogen peroxide based. Silly though this may sound, you also might want to just try washing it normally a couple more times. I had this cotton cardigan which got absolutely covered in purple ink when a pen burst; I tried washing it once just to see if any of the ink would budge--it didn't--then left it in the laundry room to wait for me to feel like dealing with it; it stayed there until I'd forgotten why it was there in the first place. A few months later, I accidentally put it in with a load of laundry, and it came out clean. Weird. Hope some of this helps, -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 08:19:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCJKRZ015518 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GCJGFn008178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 08:19:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCIspX019744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCIoKj072614; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCIlUi072494 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so1526596pyg for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SBKImh8Bflf/AIyV9ouSCtEpaidc0qxcqop1r12qjemh0PUtvmoyHHeNuGTINL+5FV02kcEG8EKvPgefDs6TsT7ObZdxmHeYiHs93XqOoGURMD5KuMAcb7+mAuIC1lWlHzwzNaprfdrBonSJeRdevoGqbGBaTjoTXE6lTzvIGMs= Received: by 10.35.113.12 with SMTP id q12mr3326528pym; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.8 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070605160518y2af71623g505bb144aa16bbb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:18:42 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! 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Status: RO Maybe laying it on a bush or lawn in the sun damp with lemon juice. Has worked for me in the past to lighten stains. No sun here, we are in the midst of 8 days of rain with no end in sight, floods everywhere. Luckily we are on a hill built on bedrock..... Katy On 5/16/06, Joy Shillaker wrote: > Hello, > > can anyone offer any advice please, I'm desperate! > > I made a set of swaddling clothes, biggin, coif, forehead cloths, shirt, 4 > 12ft long swaddling bands, tail clouts, belly band etc. etc.all from > beautiful old french linen, fully hand stitched. I've been boiling them up > regularly with home made soap to soften the linen, it's been working really > well. > > When I stayed with a friend who was going to photograph the set for me she > put the clothes into her machine for a boil. Unfortunately she had > previously been felting some red wool fabric in the machine and now I have a > set of pink baby linen. I've tried the Dylon dye remover and chlorine bleach > and it's not made any difference. > > Avice to remove the colour (or evidence of pink baby linen!) would be > gratefully recieved. > > I know in the great scheme of things there are worse things that could > happen, but last night I started to cut out a new set of clothes and ended > up in floods of tears. My partner has said we can still photograph the > clothing and he can use the computer to make the clothing look the right > colour but I've spent three years researching and making this project, was > hoping to start school presentations in September. > > Thanks for listening. > > regards > > Joy Shillaker > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 08:57:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCvPQl019496 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:57:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GCvMnO023582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 08:57:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCuZIZ023700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 06:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCuY7a004231; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GCuVaM004107 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 06:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.43b.b6ecce (32913) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:56:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <43b.b6ecce.319b25f1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:56:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! 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Status: RO In a message dated 5/16/2006 8:20:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, katybishop64@gmail.com writes: When I stayed with a friend who was going to photograph the set for me she > put the clothes into her machine for a boil. Unfortunately she had > previously been felting some red wool fabric in the machine and now I have a > set of pink baby linen. I've tried the Dylon dye remover and chlorine bleach > and it's not made any difference. I second everyone else's suggestions, but have one more. I have found the Carbona stain removers to be fantastic--the only thing that takes red wine out. There are various formulas, and I'm thinking the one that removes lipstick might be worth a try, as the colors used in lipstick are probably similar. I would try one piece and see if it does anything. Some of these are powders and some are liquids, and it would probably take a LOT of the liquid, but if it works, I think it would be worth the expense. But try it before you invest in a dozen bottles of the stuff. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 10:00:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GE0lW5022736 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 10:00:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GE0hvF021185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 10:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GDxaMc031484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 07:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GDxWhx064771; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-06.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-06.bluehost.com [67.138.240.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GDxSGA064695 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from g.vinje@drakt.org) Received: (qmail 13912 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 2006 13:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box77.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.77) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 13:59:27 -0000 Received: from 96.80-202-68.nextgentel.com ([80.202.68.96] helo=acer) by box77.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg058-00087p-Sn for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 May 2006 07:59:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:58:43 +0200 To: "Historical Costume" From: "G.Vinje" Organization: privat Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (Win32, build 3865) X-Identified-User: {515:box77.bluehost.com:draktorg:drakt.org} {sentby:smtp auth 80.202.68.96 authed with g.vinje+drakt.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Oseberg+uni shop X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 10:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4469DB0B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just heard from the uni shop. The woman I was in touch with had checked with the museum and the price should be about the same. Get in touch with either ; Kirsti.Kjerkreit@akademika.no Or ; hfavd@akademika.no Gunvor -- "Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov" Anders (nesten 4 år) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 11:11:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GFBqRc026002 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GFBmWh022395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 11:11:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GF5trk040341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 09:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GF5qmt031844; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GF5kSa031612 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCGV4STAPVHK4S for (sender ); Tue, 16 May 2006 08:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQHJNQPT; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:04:06 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:33:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! 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Status: RO O my God...that makes your heart hurt. :( I have no advice to give, but I wish you all the best of luck. Arlys On Tue, 16 May 2006 08:29:49 +0100 "Joy Shillaker" writes: > Hello, > > can anyone offer any advice please, I'm desperate! > > I made a set of swaddling clothes, biggin, coif, forehead cloths, > shirt, 4 > 12ft long swaddling bands, tail clouts, belly band etc. etc.all from > > beautiful old french linen, fully hand stitched. I've been boiling > them up > regularly with home made soap to soften the linen, it's been working > really > well. 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Status: RO Hello, There are so many nice movies to get from Amerika, but i heard they are specially coded and that your dvd player has to be special coded to show them. How do i find out if my player will take them? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 15:55:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GJtXdK003996 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GJtRph001923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GJsONl083682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 13:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GJsFQI024990; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:54:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GJs8s3024835 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s9so44731wxc for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:54:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UxEJEjwdPrFGth9vG0/a3QTO4e2jwqxGzXDkcNKVvd8znmmU7xZajrl0swnVjgqtdVTCllO9ZhEH8nRbLgln/+HnzYZFRkr9k9vD6sjOu2MLhQOOA/5fU2V9i79v3ochJfXylljMJePQCBzUJK/zmkcBTgZWaHRk93Nd9gxfuJE= Received: by 10.70.46.14 with SMTP id t14mr131530wxt; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.14 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 12:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605161254r32045a1as546fb47616fda31f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:54:07 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes In-Reply-To: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446A2E2F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4GJtXdK003996 Status: RO It's my understanding that you would need a special dvd player that can play the various codes. DVDs are coded by "region", just like there are various types of vcr tapes and players (PAL, NTSC, and the version they use in France). It's worth doing some research... even for myself... as I'll be in Germany this summer and would like to bring back a couple of movies (and be able to watch them). Kristin On 5/16/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hello, > There are so many nice movies to get from Amerika, but i heard they are > specially coded and that your dvd player has to be special coded to show > them. > How do i find out if my player will take them? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 16:23:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GKNFDv004761 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:23:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GKNBks011813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:23:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GKL7Lu087745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 14:21:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GKKpLd050396; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GKKeKF050121 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20476 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 20:20:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.125 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 20:20:33 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060516210822.01de49a8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:20:34 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes In-Reply-To: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:23:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446A34AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:38 16/05/2006, you wrote: >Hello, >There are so many nice movies to get from Amerika, but i heard they >are specially coded and that your dvd player has to be special coded >to show them. >How do i find out if my player will take them? > >Bjarne There should be a help desk address with the instructions that came with the player. Try contacting them to find out. (Or see if it says in the handbook?) I bought one a player, very cheaply, that plays all zones, and we have another that just plays European ones. These are Zone 2, which I suspect is what you are. You will find this on the back of each DVD. But you will need to know if your player is multi zone. Hope that makes sense. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 16:32:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GKWDjr005067 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:32:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GKW9qS031253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GKQr6W088599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 14:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GKQVYW056093; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GKQLC7055778 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 37672 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 20:26:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.125 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 20:26:00 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060516212156.01dda528@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:23:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.0.20060515194028.0383d8c0@64.87.54.245> References: <6.2.1.2.0.20060509224306.038798e8@64.87.54.245> <44620D2A.6010009@reddawn.net> <6.2.1.2.0.20060515194028.0383d8c0@64.87.54.245> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flossing - corsets, not teeth!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446A36C9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have some lovely pictures of the kind of flossing that was used in the late 19th century, but they do not come with instructions. Can anyone point me at a website, or instructions please? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 17:59:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLxpgG007118 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:59:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GLxl8p004990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:59:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLwntm001730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLwgBs037972; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GK4J4Z034897 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:04:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FuXd1T0dyU4HsPvDzYaWYZLpatIIxU17aGt9rOaArNIMQp7Nll+gFO3oTItBumt5; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.47] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fg5mC-0007rk-5g for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: <050401c67923$ee7e7900$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:04:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48ec755f243f31ae4559f8321bfa2ee4f7133ed92d71017c35350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.47 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: Costume Price X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:59:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446A4B53.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4GLxpgG007118 Status: RO Please excuse the forwarded message, but I can't take this commission and I thought maybe someone here would be interested. Please reply to the original sender, not me. Thanks, Melusine From: tyiles To: moreplentyn@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 4:16 AM Subject: Costume Price Hello, You are an amazing artesian! Your work is beautiful. I envy your talent (I cannot sew on a button, sad isn't it?). My daughter has to do a presentation on Abraham Lincoln and she has to wear a Lincoln costume. Is this something you are interested in or able to do? She will need the long coat, vest and tie, white shirt, and pants. The fabric cannot be wool, she has to stand in her costume for a couple hours repeating her Lincoln speech (she is supposed to be the wax version of Lincoln). She will be in the gym with 75 other kids and in the past it as been very hot that week. If you are interested, what would you charge? Kelly Iles _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 17:59:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLxjV0007114 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:59:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GLxfAJ028688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLwnTV001734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 15:58:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLwkhJ038033; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GJnh4M020526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4GJne43021772 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:49:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:49:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <27416.65.117.156.5.1147808980.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:49:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446A4B4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I ran into this a couple of times. The coding is sometimes specific to the region of the world you live in. * Region 1 - The U.S., U.S. territories and Canada * Region 2 - Europe, Japan, the Middle East, Egypt, South Africa, Greenland * Region 3 - Taiwan, Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia, Hong Kong * Region 4 - Mexico, South America, Central America, Australia, New Zealand, Pacific Islands, Caribbean * Region 5 - Russia (okay, former Russia), Eastern Europe, India, most of Africa, North Korea, Mongolia * Region 6 - China Most of the DVD's will have text on the back of the packaging that it is for a specific region or you will see a globe with the number superimposed on it. It will be very obvious on there what you have. If you are purchasing sight unseen you will have to ask the seller what region it is specific to before you make your final purchase. I currently own a very nice copy of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. As you can tell from the title ... it is not for my region. :) Chiara On Tue, May 16, 2006 2:38 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hello, > There are so many nice movies to get from Amerika, but i heard they > are > specially coded and that your dvd player has to be special coded to > show > them. > How do i find out if my player will take them? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 18:21:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMLC58007829 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:21:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GML81A010471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:21:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMFOol003891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMEXp8051221; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMEJVB050927 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.414.1e9b2b9 (62976) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:07:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <414.1e9b2b9.319ba737@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:07:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:21:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446A5054.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/16/2006 4:22:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > These are Zone 2, which I > suspect is what you are. You will find this on the back of each > DVD. But you will need to know if your player is multi zone. > ******************************* Yes, My David Attenburough nature shows [which I love] came from the UK because you can't get them here in America....so they are Zone 2. My DVD player only plays Zone 1. But I can watch them on my computer. I'm still thinking of getting a player that plays any zone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 18:23:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMNSdu007890 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:23:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GMNO8A014529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:23:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMMewt004913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMMaT7058403; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMM31F058087 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5516.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.22]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 70A54FAC01A for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:22:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001801c67937$2c36d130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <414.1e9b2b9.319ba737@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:22:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446A50DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AAhhhhh that would be a solution, i can play all DVD´s on my computer cant i? Thanks a lot for that solution, i would not mind if i only could watch it on the puter. Its because i found a place that had the version with Teatre du Solleil about Mollieres life, and there are many other historical costume dramas available, like Quills, wich i never did see and so on. Thanks Albertcat........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes > In a message dated 5/16/2006 4:22:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >> These are Zone 2, which I >> suspect is what you are. You will find this on the back of each >> DVD. But you will need to know if your player is multi zone. >> > > ******************************* > > > Yes, My David Attenburough nature shows [which I love] came from the UK > because you can't get them here in America....so they are Zone 2. My DVD > player > only plays Zone 1. But I can watch them on my computer. I'm still thinking > of > getting a player that plays any zone. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 18:25:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMPY8l007955 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:25:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GMPUkm015169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMJvdM004531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMJtnI056212; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav12.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMJoa5056111 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.242.61 by BAY106-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:19:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.242.61] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002301c67920$58008020$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:20:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:20:51 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2006 22:19:50.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[D907A6B0:01C67936] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446A515A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4GMPY8l007955 Status: RO My recommendation? DVD players are cheap and relatively light. Get a cheap one and have a friend from the US ship it to you, that way you will be covered, instead of trying to figure out DVD coding. Someone on the East Coast could probably get it to you cheaper than I could, but if you want me to track down a cheap WalMart model and shipping, let me know. LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes Hello, There are so many nice movies to get from Amerika, but i heard they are specially coded and that your dvd player has to be special coded to show them. How do i find out if my player will take them? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 18:40:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMeo8u008430 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:40:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GMekUE022074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:40:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMdfL7007964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 16:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GMdYDf073946; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GMdPTm073735 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30952 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2006 22:39:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w/5A2m0P9QN9VXVhFcMnnbaRuA1tSxxLDu09nf9A/hCvYSwDoL8/d4oSI68xoki0KARN/gtRcxSrnhJOSTfLqf4BNOqj5KQoevEfpYSwkQ9AJaus3ukRpqAu38wV4marxdAq/wDwuJ9qDB2+tMo0yddDcvPrCvhcprQ86i5wVDA= ; Message-ID: <20060516223920.30950.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.107.3.20] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39:20 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:39:20 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <414.1e9b2b9.319ba737@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:40:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446A54EE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You can also try shopping at Amazon.ca (Canada) That's where my Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone came from. Both Region 1 *and* with the original title. MaggiRos --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Yes, My David Attenburough nature shows [which I > love] came from the UK > because you can't get them here in America....so > they are Zone 2. My DVD player > only plays Zone 1. But I can watch them on my > computer. I'm still thinking of > getting a player that plays any zone. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 19:01:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GN1RCl008933 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:01:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GN1NMj027789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 19:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GN0c09010741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GN0Wje092502; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4GN0RJJ092366 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 4085 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2006 23:00:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PxgzyRcc1nPJ+xm/iqeMZaB/3G5InrqpVYp2aI2ALKM+nq0K+1sanDilVNq+DQvNU18MdWPoDfjJdoHEizlPnYnrgnMYDxe2uhE4a8brgxMwOIIZFjhRMQoj2KRV9ZpLftgcl06Z4JY/Z8fImL4Fx9y+SWXX3kqtRbiaAJlM34w= ; Message-ID: <20060516230022.4083.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.8] by web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:00:22 EST Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:00:22 +1000 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060516210822.01de49a8@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 19:01:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446A59C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: >>>There should be a help desk address with the instructions that came with the player. Try contacting them to find out. (Or see if it says in the handbook?)<<< I agree with Suzi - it should tell you in the manual that came with your player if it plays 'all regions'. If you don't have the manual try phoning the company that makes it to find out (and yes, like Adele said you will need to find out if it can play PAL and NTSC dvds too). You will need the brand and model number to do that, but you will need it again if it isn't an 'all regions' player - with the brand and model number you can most likely find someone selling a code for it that unlocks the DVD player. That's what we did anyhow - found a guy selling a code book (pdf file sent via e-mail) on eBay. :-) Bella --------------------------------- The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 19:32:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GNWirP009714 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GNWVkG000935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GNVS86014531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 17:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GNVPPt019475; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from up13.dnshub.net (up13.dnshub.net [206.71.169.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GNVHx1019361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 19010 invoked from network); 16 May 2006 16:31:10 -0700 Received: from spc2-port1-0-0-cust609.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO athlon2500) (86.6.30.98) by up13.dnshub.net with SMTP; 16 May 2006 16:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c67940$d5a3afa0$6401a8c0@athlon2500> From: "Joy Shillaker" To: References: <200605162143.k4GLhmC0024809@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:30:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Disaster X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 19:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446A610F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thankyou so much for all the advice and suggestions. It feels so much better that there might be a way to sort things out. As my knowledge of Chemistry is rudimentary, I'd assumed that if good old bleach didn't work nothing would. Is Rit an American product? thanks again regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 20:10:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H0Asot010732 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:10:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H0Anss030904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 20:10:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H09qRq019262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H09oVt052096; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-5.paradise.net.nz (bm-5a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H09iK3051986 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-5.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IZD006B6V46TI@linda-5.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:09:42 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-62-162.paradise.net.nz [210.246.62.162]) by smtp-1.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F3551F68B for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 12:09:41 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:09:40 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes In-reply-to: <20060516230022.4083.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <446A69C4.8010502@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) References: <20060516230022.4083.qmail@web31509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 20:10:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446A6A0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bella wrote: > I agree with Suzi - it should tell you in the manual that came with your player if it plays 'all regions'. If you don't have the manual try phoning the company that makes it to find out (and yes, like Adele said you will need to find out if it can play PAL and NTSC dvds too). Actually, the issue there is whether your TV can display both modes. Sets made in the last ten years often can, but you need to check the manual to be sure. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 20:38:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H0ciMM011666 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:38:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H0ceBT014313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 20:38:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H0cKQj023372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 18:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H0cIU5075777; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4H0cDGI075623 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 65553 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 00:38:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eHJaPKNprPZBr3ejGv4TV3IDCHt9YQDjr3ZaOpmOnQrM7vz4JuP2YlaQ1Yd6P9I7e/aAVEjerTZrvHgjETa+zU+MWVKp6SuC3MNIDFuAmifhsw1kjzR5SW7PpdrTCf5gP0UGMRBewhL40SVeq3brPaeKIzwjNRZO5n+PwHHqf80= ; Message-ID: <20060517003808.65548.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.23.152.8] by web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:38:08 EST Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:38:08 +1000 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <446A69C4.8010502@paradise.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 20:38:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446A7090.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Good point Adele - mine is less than ten years old and I forgot about that important detail. Adele de Maisieres wrote: >>>Actually, the issue there is whether your TV can display both modes. 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Status: RO Kristin wrote: > It's my understanding that you would need a special dvd player that > can play > the various codes. DVDs are coded by "region", just like there are > various > types of vcr tapes and players (PAL, NTSC, and the version they use in > France). DVD region codes and PAL/NTSC/etc formatting are _not_ the same thing. PAL/NTSC are different TV picture formats used in different parts of the world. They serve no special purpose; they're just different. DVD region codes are a way of attempting to enforce DVD manufacturers' distribution plans (by making discs unplayable outside their intended zone) and, supposedly, preventing piracy. This is purely a locking mechanism, _not_ a difference in disc format. Anyway. It's possible that your DVD player can play all zones. It's also possible that there's a hack available to "unlock" your DVD player-- if you can unlock the player, you'll be able to play discs from other zones. . -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 16 21:59:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H1xHXB019707 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:59:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H1wqJw005143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 May 2006 21:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H1wDHx041900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H1w8Vx043811; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H1w4wl043697 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m190.in-tch.com [216.166.191.190]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4H1mEY00829 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 19:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003e01c67956$60895880$bebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605151800.k4FI0Qx6091635@net.indra.com> <001001c678ba$96d48c80$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:05:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 16 May 2006 21:58:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446A835C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, boyohboy, does that ever make me wince in sympathy! About a decade ago, I had something similar happen, involving an embroidered linen coif. The embroidery was done in red silk, and about the 5th time it got washed (in Woolite...yes, I know better now), the dye in the silk cut loose and turned the entire thing a spotty pink mess. I was horrified, and couldn't even bleach it because of the embroidery. What worked for me was a recommendation from a lady who owns a lot of unusual textiles. There's a fairly common laundry treatment called "Biz" that you dissolve in hot water and use to soak your items. I put my poor coif through two separate soaks, and a good wash, and it's almost 100% clear of the pink stain. I think there's also something called synthropol? that Dharma Trading sells for use in dyeing fabrics. I think it's good for removing vagrant dyes, so you might try that, as well.... Good luck! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Shillaker" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] Disaster! > Hello, > > can anyone offer any advice please, I'm desperate! > > I made a set of swaddling clothes, biggin, coif, forehead cloths, shirt, 4 > 12ft long swaddling bands, tail clouts, belly band etc. etc.all from > beautiful old french linen, fully hand stitched. I've been boiling them up > regularly with home made soap to soften the linen, it's been working really > well. > > When I stayed with a friend who was going to photograph the set for me she > put the clothes into her machine for a boil. Unfortunately she had > previously been felting some red wool fabric in the machine and now I have a > set of pink baby linen. I've tried the Dylon dye remover and chlorine bleach > and it's not made any difference. > > Avice to remove the colour (or evidence of pink baby linen!) would be > gratefully recieved. > > I know in the great scheme of things there are worse things that could > happen, but last night I started to cut out a new set of clothes and ended > up in floods of tears. My partner has said we can still photograph the > clothing and he can use the computer to make the clothing look the right > colour but I've spent three years researching and making this project, was > hoping to start school presentations in September. > > Thanks for listening. > > regards > > Joy Shillaker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 00:15:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H4Fe9V024779 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:15:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H4FYsX030442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 00:15:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H4CI5t058781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 16 May 2006 22:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H4C0e5059134; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H4BuDK059048 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A150EDB02FC; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:06:40 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Disaster Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:12:01 -0700 Message-ID: <003d01c67968$0c511d40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <000601c67940$d5a3afa0$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4H4BuDK059048 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 00:15:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446AA366.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, widely available at grocery and drug stores. Where are you? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joy Shillaker Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Disaster Thankyou so much for all the advice and suggestions. It feels so much better that there might be a way to sort things out. As my knowledge of Chemistry is rudimentary, I'd assumed that if good old bleach didn't work nothing would. Is Rit an American product? thanks again regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 02:52:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H6qdHA017525 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 02:52:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H6qZS4004843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 02:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H6oswO076003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 00:50:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H6onxr090480; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4H6oifr090321 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92330 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 06:50:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=1abuw6RmmIGsrHaXys23EWI+Jjk+EbfI7w6LDIkf0rFkMVMFN7F7yON4CIds/POKrkx8L8pyrVaamAlAGq9e3IFP3XtY5JSavtOL8iMET0oJ7QtiS1OVcLoNRYOv5tZPRYXBoaOYSy16V/OW34ygdhOTY17EpNpXcjU5qp5lmJE= ; Message-ID: <20060517065038.92328.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:50:38 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Corset flossing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 02:52:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446AC833.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "I have some lovely pictures of the kind of flossing that was used in the late 19th century, but they do not come with instructions. Can anyone point me at a website, or instructions please? Suzi" Suzi - I've not found anything about how to actually do it on the web or indeed in any books. However, playing around on a couple of corsets I've found that using two or three strands of cotton embroidery floss (since I'm not going to be washing them), secured with a couple of small stitches inside and then building up the design over and through the spiral from the front works. It is /very/ hard on your fingers especially until you get the feel for the spacing between coils but can be very effective. I'm sorry that I can't be more help but if I find anything will be sure to post it here. Katherine S. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright "Are you tugging my squirrel?" "...I will answer your questions but only in the language of a crow..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 03:17:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H7HZFh025572 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:17:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H7HWrJ010942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 03:17:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H7HEXF078901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 01:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H7HD27012686; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36612.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36612.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.29]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4H7H9SC012574 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31511 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 07:17:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uGcA4AOIjK43FvKcDRClypUODjIFGfE0pZwD4/febzK2u+Ad9fJn3kehBCedKN4StSbmecELvnS2NmnBkV3f0DBp481UAZhwtOa9irTyRewUB5ZzSfcR9yzZc5LSGKxwI/A6E8mrJyEwukb3QANhQxSeQ+fFjkPIxwg25isha7A= ; Message-ID: <20060517071704.31509.qmail@web36612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.103.126.35] by web36612.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:17:04 PDT Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 00:17:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] filigree metal plaques... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 03:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446ACE0C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Does anyone know where you can purchase filigree metal plaques for making a Tudor / Elizabethan girdle? I'd like to be able to glue stones to the plaques to "dress" them up. I know there are people selling these girdles premade, so they have to be getting them from somewhere. Thanks Melody --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! 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Bryan" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] filigree metal plaques... 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Status: RO I would also love to hear of anyone who has wholesale or inexpensive pieces. I go to the gem show and they have some but it is about 89.00 for what I need. They are not very big either. Also? Does anyone know a place that sells pearls on chain? Cilean -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:17 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] filigree metal plaques... Hi, Does anyone know where you can purchase filigree metal plaques for making a Tudor / Elizabethan girdle? I'd like to be able to glue stones to the plaques to "dress" them up. I know there are people selling these girdles premade, so they have to be getting them from somewhere. Thanks Melody --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 03:59:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H7xhBn030334 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:59:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H7xcEf026063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 03:59:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H7xO2i083068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 01:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H7xMEP045393; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:59:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4H7xDbO045261 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 7256 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 07:59:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.139.175.125 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 07:59:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060517085654.01dc5e00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:59:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset flossing In-Reply-To: <20060517065038.92328.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060517065038.92328.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 03:59:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446AD7EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 07:50 17/05/2006, you wrote: >"I have some lovely pictures of the kind of flossing that was used in >the late 19th century, but they do not come with instructions. Can >anyone point me at a website, or instructions please? Suzi" > >Suzi - I've not found anything about how to actually do it on the >web or indeed in any books. However, playing around on a couple of >corsets I've found that using two or three strands of cotton >embroidery floss (since I'm not going to be washing them), secured >with a couple of small stitches inside and then building up the >design over and through the spiral from the front works. It is >/very/ hard on your fingers especially until you get the feel for >the spacing between coils but can be very effective. > >I'm sorry that I can't be more help but if I find anything will be >sure to post it here. > Katherine Thanks for that - I have actually done fairly simple style flossing with proper flossing silk - bought in a charity shop many years ago!! But I would really like to do it properly. And yes, I agree, it is hard on the fingers - and the needles - bent at least two trying to fight one through a space that wasn't there! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 04:19:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H8JeGR002696 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:19:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H8JZ6f032735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 04:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H8Ihx8085172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 02:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H8Ie1I059153; Wed, 17 May 2006 02:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H8IbDl059089 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 02:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5516.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.22]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DB03A8A0075 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:18:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003601c6798a$83e46930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:18:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dvd codes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 04:19:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446ADC97.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello. Many thanks for all your help with the DVD problems. I have to look in my manual, But the idea that i can look all dvds on my computer, made me think, i want to buy movies now. Many thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 05:07:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H97TRt014720 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 05:07:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4H97OhB012856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 05:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H962q1091090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 03:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4H960fv097383; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4H95uGf097303 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 03:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46086 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2006 09:05:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Dobq4YQCKqYADe/FQnHcHeuI42prNqqSDq7Bbk918GsysAcoY2017aG5MlgCL5FVd9Qp+bUYc+dRG32PXu5lQpNCMjY+aULOCCA615jeQEMR5xvgvceeC8eKFjRtMuFGDVlSBKkWT3oN0wlDGLRGYLpiy1+FVgu2M6MxgJKVD9A= ; Message-ID: <20060517090554.46084.qmail@web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.67] by web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:05:53 BST Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:05:53 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Photos of 1569 Bodice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 05:07:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446AE7CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I've finally managed to get some photos of the muslin of my daughters 1569 bodice. It can be found at http://photos.yahoo.com/dresspattern .Please excuse the pink shirt, it's pretending to be a white chemise! She has tried it on, and fits perfectly now (I cut it on age 5!), so I'm worried by the time that I get the real thing finished, it will not fit. I only get about 7 or 8 hours sewing a week, and at the moment I'm doing the muslin of the skirt. The velvet and the forepart material have cost me a small fortune, and I need to get it right before I cut the 'good stuff'! Best Wishes Jayne Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 06:25:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HAPH4D031965 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:25:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HAPDgY029797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 06:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HAOSqu014739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 04:24:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HAOPPK059182; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HAOK71059113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 04:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-162-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.162]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4HAOI7k002731 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:24:19 +1000 Message-ID: <00c701c6799c$0efb3100$a2ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003601c6798a$83e46930$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dvd codes Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:24:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 06:25:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446AFA09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You might want to ask whoever you bought your computer from some computer DVD drives are programmed to do a set number of switches between different regions before it locks and the counter has to be reset by a professional. So if for example your DVD drive is set to do 3 switches before it locks (though the number won't actually be that low) and you have region 1 and region 2 DVDs you want to play on your computer if you play the region 1 DVD followed by the region 2 DVD that's one switch, then next time you play a region 1 DVD you're up to two switches then playing one more region 1 DVD is your third switch, at this point your computer will only play region 1 DVDs until you take it in to be serviced (in some cases it's a program in the computer which is keeping count and somebody with technical knowledge could probably work out how to reset it but other times it's the actual DVD drive itself and there's a physical switch which needs to be reset manually) Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] dvd codes > Hello. > Many thanks for all your help with the DVD problems. > I have to look in my manual, > But the idea that i can look all dvds on my computer, made me think, i > want to buy movies now. > > Many thanks > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 16/05/2006 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 09:20:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HDKPLT024014 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:20:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HDKLT5029236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 09:20:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HDI47i034595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 07:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HDI1G1017536; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HDHv1q017336 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060517131749.DWXA16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 09:17:49 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] off topic DVD codes Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:17:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <27416.65.117.156.5.1147808980.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Thread-Index: AcZ5NF9BwozqJk+0T2S+hR5kD+VfkgAf6FXw Message-Id: <20060517131749.DWXA16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 09:20:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446B2315.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My niece and her husband live in Switzerland. They are constantly ordering DVDs from Amazon.com and having them sent to me (in Virginia). I then send them on to Switzerland. They have no trouble playing them on either of their machines. Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 10:15:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HEFFnm027381 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:15:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HEF727023485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:15:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HEEq1u044173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 08:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HEElaF071591; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:14:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav23.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HEEbUM071317 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 May 2006 07:14:23 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.58.144 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:14:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.58.144] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605162143.k4GLhmC0024809@net.indra.com> <000601c67940$d5a3afa0$6401a8c0@athlon2500> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:14:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:14:24 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2006 14:14:23.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[32420D80:01C679BC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] filigree X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:15:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446B2FEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4HEFFnm027381 Status: RO Try http://www.fancifulsinc.com/ for filigree pieces. Their web site is kind of a pain to use but they have a great selection. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 10:59:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HExXWl030335 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HExSrS011815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 10:59:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HExA3N050205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 08:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HEx67Y015373; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HEwnXG015031 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 08:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.1.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.1] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FgNU5-0006Ze-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 10:58:46 -0400 Message-ID: <446B47D4.7070208@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:57:08 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] filigree metal plaques... 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Status: RO I've used some from these pages before: http://www.natures-gems.com/mefi.html http://www.natures-gems.com/plgo.html They're thin enough that you can bend them if you try, but I have a girdle and carcanet made from some with glass pearls in between, and they've held up for years. Melanie Schuessler Melody Watts wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know where you can purchase filigree metal plaques for making a Tudor / Elizabethan girdle? > I'd like to be able to glue stones to the plaques to "dress" them up. > I know there are people selling these girdles premade, so they have to be getting them from somewhere. > Thanks > Melody > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4HKjk17012398 Status: RO Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. Any help on sourcing appreciated. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 16:53:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKrfLc012567 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:53:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HKrXGP003862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 16:53:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKrIE7005237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 14:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKqwJm057933; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.129]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKqidD057714 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4HKqg9c015443 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 15:52:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "klh" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 16:53:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446B8D4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You shouldn't have to pay more than about a buck and a half per yard, even at retail. In my opinion, $69 for 15 yards is a ripoff... -- Talia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 16:56:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKuHr8012626 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:56:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HKuCBk010791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 16:56:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKtZ7x005609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 14:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKtWeU060243; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HKtQiY060075 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 14:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.459.9ef0f6 (30739) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:55:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <459.9ef0f6.319ce7a8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:55:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 16:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446B8DED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/17/2006 4:46:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, angelalazear@sbcglobal.net writes: 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? That is more than $4 a yard, and doesn't sound like a good deal to me, unless it is the extra wide kind (60" or 90"). I think you should be able to find 45" for $2 a yard or so.: Just checked--Joann on-line has both bleached and unbleached, 44-45" wide, 50 yard bolts for $98.99: _http://www.joannfabrics.com/search/search_results.jhtml;$sessionid$IZE5QWQAAB OVMP4SY5NBJAR50LD3OEPO?CATID=3&keywords=muslin&_requestid=86389_ (http://www.joannfabrics.com/search/search_results.jhtml;$sessionid$IZE5QWQAABOVMP4SY5NBJAR 50LD3OEPO?CATID=3&keywords=muslin&_requestid=86389) Hancock's on-line price is $2.49/yd. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 19:40:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNeXQ2016994 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:40:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HNeTkw008658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 19:40:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNdnnR028815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 17:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNdhCx003571; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNdeCQ003448 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A432031C; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:39:30 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.152 ([209.131.80.152] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 17 May 2006 19:39:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c67a0b$87bbd260$985083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:42:12 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 19:40:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446BB46D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What is the theatrical use you envision for this muslin? Most muslin for general theater use can be found for about $1 a yard if you shop around. If you are needing it for flats(scene) of unusual width(72"/109"), the price you mention may not be too bad. For misc. costume use, you can find it for a much cheaper price!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela F Lazear" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] pricing muslin Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. Any help on sourcing appreciated. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 19:55:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNtLX1017292 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:55:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4HNtHJN023427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 19:55:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNshmR030392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 17:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNsf3d016012; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav23.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HNsaN2015857 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:54:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.32.242.61 by BAY106-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:54:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.32.242.61] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:55:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 17 May 2006 16:55:38 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2006 23:54:32.0487 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E4A7B70:01C67A0D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 19:55:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446BB7E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4HNtLX1017292 Status: RO Boy, I wouldn't pay that for it. If it's utility muslin, I get the 99 cent a yard stuff on a full bolt from JoAnn's, and use a 40% off coupon. Grand total for a 50 yard bolt? Thirty bucks and tax... LuAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela F Lazear To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: [h-cost] pricing muslin Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. Any help on sourcing appreciated. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. 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Status: RO I did a google search and this is one that came up. Looks promising, I'm bookmarking it for future investigation. http://www.magnafabrics.com/category/536.htm Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 20:02:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I01xor017430 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:01:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I01tRG007937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 20:01:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I01D2k030922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 18:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I01DA1021241; Wed, 17 May 2006 18:01:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep04.xtra.co.nz (fep04.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I019Mw021089 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 18:01:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.160.10]) by fep04.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060518000058.NXCR19789.fep04.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 12:00:58 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.392 [268.6.0/342]); Thu, 18 May 2006 12:01:04 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01c67a0e$280f73f0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> <001001c67a0b$87bbd260$985083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:01:04 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 20:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446BB973.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good > deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus > yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. Lightweight and transparent sounds like actual muslin to me rather than calico which is what is usually called muslin in the US. That may mean the price is better than it appears;) And then there is this muslin for use in the theatre: http://setshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=130 And then I found this: http://www.fishmansfabrics.com/mus_ltwgt.htm Contents:70% polyester,30% cotton Description: lightweight,semi-sheer So it may be helpful for a bit more description in terms of what the fabric is for. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 17/05/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 21:11:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I1BB8H019001 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:11:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I1B7L6015492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 21:11:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I1AlCr039259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 19:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I1AiCh078512; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I1AeoM078390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4I30lBx021321 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:00:48 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 20:20:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> In-Reply-To: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605172020.06838.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 21:11:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446BC9AB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wednesday 17 May 2006 4:44 pm, Angela F Lazear wrote: > Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good > deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus > yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. I assume $69 is US $69? If so, it's a ripoff. I've usually seen muslin go for $2.50-$3.50 around here (SE Pennsylvania) at the most. $69 for 15 yards is about $4.60. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 22:15:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2Fp5h020245 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:15:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I2FldF024620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 22:15:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2FTJ7045543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 20:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2FQfl028690; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2FNTN028641 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CD2936AD5 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:15:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002f01c67a0e$280f73f0$0301010a@michaela> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 22:15:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446BD8D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Odd, I have always called muslin, muslin and calico was a floral print. Learn something new every day. De -----Original Message----- Lightweight and transparent sounds like actual muslin to me rather than calico which is what is usually called muslin in the US. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 22:52:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2qXCH020895 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 22:52:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I2qS57012130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 22:52:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2pkgU049571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 20:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2piN9058096; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4HMU5At044779 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 68794 invoked from network); 17 May 2006 22:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2006 22:29:58 -0000 Message-ID: <010f01c67a01$6ce5bff0$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <459.9ef0f6.319ce7a8@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:29:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446BE16C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It is the extra wide kind, at 108". How much does that affect pricing? Sorry, I should know this stuff, but you are all so generous with your time and info. Thank you! angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin > > In a message dated 5/17/2006 4:46:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > angelalazear@sbcglobal.net writes: > > 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? > > > That is more than $4 a yard, and doesn't sound like a good deal to me, > unless it is the extra wide kind (60" or 90"). I think you should be able > to find > 45" for $2 a yard or so.: > > Just checked--Joann on-line has both bleached and unbleached, 44-45" wide, > 50 yard bolts for $98.99: > > > _http://www.joannfabrics.com/search/search_results.jhtml;$sessionid$IZE5QWQAAB > OVMP4SY5NBJAR50LD3OEPO?CATID=3&keywords=muslin&_requestid=86389_ > (http://www.joannfabrics.com/search/search_results.jhtml;$sessionid$IZE5QWQAABOVMP4SY5NBJAR > 50LD3OEPO?CATID=3&keywords=muslin&_requestid=86389) > > Hancock's on-line price is $2.49/yd. > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 17 23:15:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I3F7bK021236 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:15:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I3F3vr010211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 17 May 2006 23:15:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I3E90M051959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 21:14:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I3E6ZD075877; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I3E2mS075750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4I54AKl024397 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:04:10 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:23:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <459.9ef0f6.319ce7a8@aol.com> <010f01c67a01$6ce5bff0$0701a8c0@lazear1> In-Reply-To: <010f01c67a01$6ce5bff0$0701a8c0@lazear1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605172223.29366.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 17 May 2006 23:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446BE6B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wednesday 17 May 2006 6:29 pm, Cabbage Rose Costumes wrote: > It is the extra wide kind, at 108". How much does that affect pricing? > Sorry, I should know this stuff, but you are all so generous with your time > and info. If it's 108", that makes more sense, since you're getting so much more than, say, the muslin at my local Jo-Ann's, which averages 45" wide. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 18 01:35:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I5Zs1K023801 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:35:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I5ZoC9015506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2006 01:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I5YtkI065051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 23:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I5Ynwl078376; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4I5Yjf6078288 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 23:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 95851 invoked from network); 18 May 2006 05:34:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lazear1) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@67.118.230.145 with login) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2006 05:34:39 -0000 Message-ID: <008601c67a3c$c189fc70$0701a8c0@lazear1> From: "Cabbage Rose Costumes" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> <001001c67a0b$87bbd260$985083d1@rmitchellras> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:34:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 May 2006 01:35:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446C07B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's for draping the stage. Ceiling to floor and in layers. Should also be sheer, as we'll be projecting light through it in addition to onto it. Theatrical sheers at that width are $89.99 according to one website passed along, so maybe it's not so bad a price for the width. We'll need a LOT so it probably needs to be the wider variety, or we'll be sewing 100's of yards together. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin > What is the theatrical use you envision for this muslin? > Most muslin for general theater use can be found for about $1 a yard if > you > shop around. If you are needing it for flats(scene) of unusual > width(72"/109"), the price you mention may not be too bad. For misc. > costume > use, you can find it for a much cheaper price!! > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela F Lazear" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:44 PM > Subject: [h-cost] pricing muslin > > > Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a > good > deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus > yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. > > Any help on sourcing appreciated. > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > W. Shakespeare > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 18 02:21:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I6L5Xm032062 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 02:21:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I6L1WE016043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2006 02:21:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2q2wa049603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I2q1Oj058318; Wed, 17 May 2006 20:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HN3Z0f073224 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 17:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0IZF00M05MOBTBL0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:02:33 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] pricing muslin In-reply-to: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 May 2006 02:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446C124D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where are you? If you are in the New York/ New Jersey area you can get muslin for about .99 - 2.00 a yard at Joannes, depending on the width. Less if you have a coupon. Unless you are looking for a really wide width that sounds like a LOT of money. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Angela F Lazear Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:44 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] pricing muslin Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. Any help on sourcing appreciated. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." W. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 18 03:42:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I7gNQ5021472 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 03:42:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4I7gJoW002189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2006 03:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I7fuso075233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 May 2006 01:41:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I7fp2Y069799; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4I7flLb069744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-22-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.22]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4I7fjsR011737 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:41:46 +1000 Message-ID: <006101c67a4e$83b73ea0$16d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:41:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 May 2006 03:42:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 446C255B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's a language evolution thing around the beginning of the 19th century Calico and Muslin were names for two different varieties of the expensive light weight cottons which were popular in Regency fashions (OK, I know Regency is an inaccurate term for the whole period of light weight cottons and high waists but it's terminology that people understand), then the names were applied to something different. Cheap poor quality cotton became known as Calico in the UK, Australia and New Zealand (and possibly elsewhere too though these are the places I know of) in the US (and presumably Canada) the same fabric was called Muslin. In the US and Canada (?) calico became the name for a certain style of print, in the UK, Australia and New Zealand Muslin still means a light weight cotton (though they aren't expensive any more) Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] pricing muslin > Odd, I have always called muslin, muslin and calico was a floral print. > Learn something new every day. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Lightweight and transparent sounds like actual muslin to me rather than > calico which is what is usually called muslin in the US. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 18 08:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (cerberus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ICFZvv004705 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 08:15:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ICFVZu028476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 18 May 2006 08:15:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ICEoSv022250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 18 May 2006 06:14:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ICEkXT073103; Thu, 18 May 2006 06:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ICEi9G073071 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 06:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so622345pya for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:14:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ce979QD0TMNJEzwvwsC0skJlK38C6Xpyciy40TIRqZEX72hYiT7NeHecAqSXrQCrO3x73iawUcUu0VElDwVExEWr0ii3RjshJxt7TUy+USqtxH9rPit5nOqeU6iPaXoBS0uLPSvtM/kO5IEv2J4IZ1v0YdT/iSlaAhrXcPRURD0= Received: by 10.35.17.8 with SMTP id u8mr458421pyi; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.8 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 05:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070605180514x44e85d62j493c63f8da371c55@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:14:43 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] pricing muslin In-Reply-To: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <013e01c679f2$a7705040$0701a8c0@lazear1> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4ICEi9G073071 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 18 May 2006 08:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446C6563.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I get my muslins wholesale from New England Quilt Supply. They carry 90" cotton 200 count sheeting ($3-4 a yard?), and I am sure they carry wide muslins but I've never ordered wide muslin from them (their website is under construction so particular fabrics are not listed). I get my 45" wide muslin (Springmaid) there for $1.55 a yard with posatge. Perhaps there is a more local-to-you wholesale quilting supplier. At that width $69 seems ok. I did a google search for wholesale muslin and came up with this: http://www.magnafabrics.com/category/536.htm Katy On 5/17/06, Angela F Lazear wrote: > Can anyone tell me if purchasing a 15 yard bolt of muslin for $69 is a good deal? It's for theatrical purposes, and we may need a total of 100 plus yards, fairly lightweight transparent muslin. > > Any help on sourcing appreciated. > > angela > +++++ > Angela F. Lazear > Cabbage Rose Costumes > www.cabbagerosecostumes.com > Theatrical Costume Design > > "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: > be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, > and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: > be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." > W. Shakespeare > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 19 02:06:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J66Rix010636 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:06:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4J66Lib010088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 May 2006 02:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J65k4L068879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 May 2006 00:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J65dwD090265; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J65WeA090148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:05:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-197-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.197]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4J65Rq9004847 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:28 +1000 Message-ID: <006b01c67b0a$39b01bd0$c5d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <40a.22a6b8b.319c954c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] dvd codes Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 May 2006 02:06:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446D605D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Yes! > > Mine has 4 more switches left. > > Isn't this all bogus! Just why can't we watch what we want???? Because it means they can cut down competition and therefore make more profit. And why should they care about their customers? :-P Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 19 04:26:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J8QqSl012784 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:26:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4J8Qm2X013115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 May 2006 04:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J8PVII092794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 May 2006 02:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4J8PSVb088024; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:25:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52113.mail.yahoo.com (web52113.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4J8PQxZ087916 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 65674 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2006 08:25:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DbNbsOpkpwugDLxPnTOmF3p2+sdCGFtYF5uy0A0P05pdF6AycTM3BSxozQiU4FvJA3+NWX74t+nzi2oNYHvAE0Lkr1xQc96Z90fGFSqqnzL8GRpHqcd8GpP+mty8Qw5K4YF7W5PStK0XA81csTX18PG8OXP3rvrHzLA6eRfKulE= ; Message-ID: <20060519082520.65672.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4J8PQxZ087916 Subject: [h-cost] Onto Something X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 May 2006 04:26:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 446D8148.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO just not sure what, exactly. I am finally getting around to webbing my Bella Nani documentation. While doing so, several photos I have that didn't make it into the competition paper were being prepped for uploading when it hit me: the pattern on those sleeves were finally familiar. I had recently flipped through several digitised lacemaking and embroidery pattern books. In particular, one German (dated 1527), one Venezia(dated 1561). I noted at the time the repeating knotwork motif that occurs. I have uploaded all these images onto a page: http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/Sleeve_Theory.html Please pardon the margin issues, it's rather late. For whatever reason, 2+2 suddenly added to 4: Veronese was possibly using those pattern books as embellishment inspiration. Some were so close that I could practically say with confidence that was the actual pattern used. I compared the other two with the same sleeve style, and sure enough, they too match with stunning familiarity. I thought perhaps that Veronese had designed some pattern books. It seemed logical, he has a tendancy toward strong architectural environments in his paintings. Upon a very cursory search of the net, there is no known connection between Paolo Caliari and embroidery designs. But... I did find out that his younger brother, Benedetto was the one who tended toward the grandiose architecture in the backgrounds. His sons, Carlo (or Carletto) and Gabriele, along with Benedetto, were all occupied with finishing Paolo's paintings after his death. I have to wonder if these paintings were not done entirely by Paolo himself, but his brother in particular had a hand in designing them, adding into them a geometric, architectural element by using embroidery pattern books? Benedetto in his own right has frescoes attributed to him at Villa Cornaro, and Villa Gradenigo, and shares attribution with Paolo for San Sebastiano, which accounts for each of these common sources. Having taken a look at Carlo and Benedetto's works, there are few differences in style and composition. Maybe this is what accounts for the relative novelty of these paintings? Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 19 06:52:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JAqnNA012853 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4JAqjqm011169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JAqDe9015009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 May 2006 04:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JAqAiE094596; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail93.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JAq4C6094487 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 04:52:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=iwePHP=7H=srclink.net=shilo@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailscan28.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.28] helo=mailscan28.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Fh2aR-0004tp-K0 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:03 -0400 Received: from webmail07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.7] ident=exim) by mailscan28.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1Fh2aR-00065t-Fn for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:03 -0400 Received: from webmail07.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.16.7] helo=webmail07.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan28.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1Fh2aP-00065H-Lj for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:01 -0400 Received: from [70.160.99.190] by webmail07.yourhostingaccount.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:01 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "" To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: AtMail Corp 3.64 - http://webbasedemail.com/ X-Origin: 70.160.99.190 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:51:30 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Disaster! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 May 2006 06:52:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446DA37D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Further note on Biz: You can place your project in Biz for as long as you would like. Just swish it gently every so often and change out the water for a fresh solution when it changes color. It can literally soak for a few days without hurting the fabric! Megh E. On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:02 , h-costume-request@indra.com sent: > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:05:29 -0600 >From: "Sue Clemenger" mooncat@in-tch.com> >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! >To: "Historical Costume" h-costume@indra.com> >Message-ID: bebfa6d8@pavilion> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > .....................There's a fairly common laundry treatment called "Biz" >that you dissolve in hot water and use to soak your items. I put my poor >coif through two separate soaks, and a good wash, and it's almost 100% clear >of the pink stain....................... >Good luck! >--Sue > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 19 10:52:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JEqBPc022909 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:52:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4JEq53d028109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 May 2006 10:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JEpWh6044025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 May 2006 08:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JEpRpn097844; Fri, 19 May 2006 08:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JEpJ3j097720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 08:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:15816 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fh6K2-0002eI-LE for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c67b53$b09ed8a0$9000a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060519082520.65672.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Onto Something Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 May 2006 10:52:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446DDB95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yep, that sleeve definitely seems to match the bottom second image on the last row from the patternbooks! But, are you certain that the sleeve is invented? Perhaps the lady's dressmaker is the one with the patternbook. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 19 15:53:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JJrpbp005544 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 15:53:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4JJrlah010619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 19 May 2006 15:53:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JJrEtI091833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 May 2006 13:53:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JJrAM6011404; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4JJr6hl011242 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 73119 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2006 19:53:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gbKmbxV6BQ1NJWAMkWJWCFNVgA+a3gBQxN9WCekFwIG7BdKNt3Jv99OPxSw484rnkNs2vrZ3QbM+IzlQhqrywu3cOAIeLaqx8DCHeLJIle9yfWllVjaBNZCj9aUsp/1rF3H7GjnfAsGwtL9DzGbyIygT02v3BIlrT6jou7T94F8= ; Message-ID: <20060519195301.73114.qmail@web52107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 12:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605191802.k4JI2Lnr086671@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4JJr6hl011242 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Onto Something X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 19 May 2006 15:53:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446E224B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Good! I'm glad it wasn't some bizarre waking dream I was having! Glas someone else sees it too! :-) There is much debate as to the origins of "Bella Nani" in particular. Some say it is Caliari's wife. This is possible, since she had posed for several of his allegorical paintings and the face matches. He was married very close to the date of this painting, so again, there is a match. All circumstantial, however. Other say that is is one of the Nani family members. There is some kind of relationship between the Nanis and Paolo, but no one can lay a finger on which one it is, or when exactly the family had contact with him. There is another theory out there that this woman is completely imaginary: the idealised woman; the renaissance pin up girl, if you wish. Elementally all the virtues of the ideal wife is there. Men would commission paintings like this for their private chambers, not unlike the calendar girls often found in husbands' garages. I personally think it's a little bit of the first and third. I have done a lot of studying and reading about his works, and have come to find a consistency in his images. He will tend to add completely fantastic, outrageous, over the top jewellry and costuming to the people who are not likely to be real persons, or those real persons representing a mythological persona. In short, I think he idealised his own wife. The huge pauldrons were the major giveaway - I can't find anything else like them anywhere, at any time in history - short of one pair of "real" pauldrons carved into a tomb stone. It's the same case with those sleeve styles. Only Veronese uses them, and all in the same period of time. There are no extant pieces of textile nor surviving painting by another unrelated painter that shows it as actually existing. For a while I had thought perhaps it was voided velvet or some variation on that theme, but the way the sleeve hang is just... off, for some reason. I had thought perhaps that they were actually embroidered, or even overlayed with punto in aria lace, but he is detailed enough that he would have shown threads and stitches. I can't recall any surviving piece of velvet that was embroidered, either. That stuff is a pain to cover up decently with embroidery silk. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 Yep, that sleeve definitely seems to match the bottom second image on the last row from the patternbooks! But, are you certain that the sleeve is invented? Perhaps the lady's dressmaker is the one with the patternbook. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 10:12:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEC9b8028881 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 10:12:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KEC4C5026558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 10:12:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEBXJ4000272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 08:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEBQG4027472; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4KEBMq4027303 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCG8J6BAA99X4A for (sender ); Sat, 20 May 2006 07:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQTQ79FV; Sat, 20 May 2006 07:10:56 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 07:10:22 -0700 Message-ID: <20060520.071047.420.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3265664925 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhggwTT3abRxyl0QTTXszS3Ac= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hello out there?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 May 2006 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446F23B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all. Have recieved nothing from this list since yesterday (Friday) morning. Everything ok? Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 10:41:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEfmou029858 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 10:41:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KEfhno014038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 10:41:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEfO3g003372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 08:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEfNLx052881; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KEfK3A052755 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m128.in-tch.com [216.166.191.128]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4KEVS228447 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001101c67c1c$8122ae20$80bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.071047.420.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. I think it's just really quiet.... --Sue, checking email before heading out to the gardens..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] hello out there?? > Hi all. Have recieved nothing from this list since yesterday (Friday) > morning. Everything ok? > > Arlys > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 11:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KFJZOc031473 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 11:19:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KFJVrh024844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 11:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KFJ0e7006884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 09:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KFIvw4083947; Sat, 20 May 2006 09:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4KFIs8x083840 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 09:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCG8N33A2VJ65J for (sender ); Sat, 20 May 2006 08:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQTU2PEU; Sat, 20 May 2006 08:17:48 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 08:16:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO Thanks, Sue. :-) Feel like discussing latest projects? Arlys On Sat, 20 May 2006 08:48:46 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. > I think it's just really quiet.... > --Sue, checking email before heading out to the gardens..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:10 AM > Subject: [h-cost] hello out there?? > > > > Hi all. Have recieved nothing from this list since yesterday > (Friday) > > morning. Everything ok? > > > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 13:22:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KHMVb0003644 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:22:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KHMRl9025591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 13:22:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KHLoF2045661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 11:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KHLjM6089043; Sat, 20 May 2006 11:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KHLeSS088877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 11:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4KJC26h017923 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:12:02 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO On Saturday 20 May 2006 10:48 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. > I think it's just really quiet.... Same here. I'm finding H-costume quiet at the moment, too. It's not surprising--it usually slows down a lot during the summer, especially during sunny weekends. Somebody say something! :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 14:06:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KI6Hir005184 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KI6DM4012497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KI5sTe050640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 12:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KI5pti024072; Sat, 20 May 2006 12:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav2.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KI5lbj023966 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 12:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 20 May 2006 11:05:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 20 May 2006 18:05:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:05:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:05:41 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2006 18:05:41.0056 (UTC) FILETIME=[016CD400:01C67C38] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My latest gig! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:06:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446F5A95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4KI6Hir005184 Status: RO I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very expensive!! http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/ Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx anything by announcing it!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? Feel like discussing latest projects? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 14:35:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIZsFp006287 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:35:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KIZoOq018868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:35:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIYrvV053480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 12:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIYmhT045856; Sat, 20 May 2006 12:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIYiX4045736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 12:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FhWHe-0003Eb-0p; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:34:38 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:34:37 -0400 Message-ID: <20060520143437.0qbqtbrwmcogo8ko@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:34:37 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Quoting Saragrace Knauf : > I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do > costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the > Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope > like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They > even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very > expens1ive!! WooHoo! You go, Girl! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 15:10:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJAiCR007408 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KJAetJ017558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJA525057267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 13:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJA3H4074803; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:10:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJ9x42074644 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:10:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter91.comcast.net ([204.127.197.191]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060520190954m1200pq2tqe>; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:09:54 +0000 Received: from [67.183.234.19] by rmailcenter91.comcast.net; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:09:53 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Congratulations! You go and have loads of fun!!! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do costumes > in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! > Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen > Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be funds since they realized it > could be very expensive!! > > http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/> etails/833/> > > Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx anything by > announcing it!) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cynthia J Ley > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > Feel like discussing latest projects? > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 15:38:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJcYnJ008260 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:38:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KJc4iZ010163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJbQRb060259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 13:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJbN7w096925; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KJbKB0096818 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:37:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20060520193714m1300gkdcse>; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:37:15 +0000 Message-ID: <446F7063.4070002@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 12:39:15 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Saturday 20 May 2006 10:48 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > >>You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. >>I think it's just really quiet.... >> >> > >Same here. I'm finding H-costume quiet at the moment, too. It's not >surprising--it usually slows down a lot during the summer, especially during >sunny weekends. > >Somebody say something! :-) > > > > Yeah, you know how hard it is to convince someone--anyone--to pin a hem for you when the weather is this good? :P Marie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 16:22:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKM70A009703 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:22:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KKM1Ic013596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 16:22:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKLeTu064541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKLdRe033892; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKLZOK033732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4KMBttk021613 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 18:11:56 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO On Saturday 20 May 2006 3:39 pm, Marie Schnoor wrote: > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > >On Saturday 20 May 2006 10:48 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > >>You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. > >>I think it's just really quiet.... > > > >Same here. I'm finding H-costume quiet at the moment, too. It's not > >surprising--it usually slows down a lot during the summer, especially > > during sunny weekends. > > > >Somebody say something! :-) > > Yeah, you know how hard it is to convince someone--anyone--to pin a hem > for you when the weather is this good? :P No, but I can just imagine. Heck, I have a hard time working up the interest to do my *own* hemming when the weather is this good. :-) -- Cathy "heading to a cookout tonight" Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 16:22:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKMlJs009720 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:22:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KKMhXF019305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 16:22:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKMLxM064659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKMJi6034488; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKMFUG034344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:22:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4KMCbqM021624 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 18:12:37 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO On Saturday 20 May 2006 2:05 pm, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do > costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum > from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask > me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be > funds since they realized it could be very expensive!! > > http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/ons/details/833/> Congratulations! You will post URLs to pictures of your work when it's done, right? :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 16:59:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKxliY010900 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:59:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KKxhEA014724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 16:59:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKwpY8068443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:58:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKwlGi065498; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKwhlN065388 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m33.in-tch.com [216.166.191.33]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4KKmp202065 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:48:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO Sure! Always! I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them peripherally (sp?) associated with historical costuming, in that they're fiber-related. I'm preparing wool and yarns at the moment (getting them ready for a weekend natural dyeing workshop next weekend), and some of that will become historical clothing and accessories. I've got myself about a pound of lovely, loosely-plied unmercerized (natural-colored) cotton, half of which is going to get indigo'd but *good,* with the idea of making Mamluke stockings from it. I have about three pounds of a 2-ply fingering-weight wool that has been mordanted, and which I'll dye with indigo, cochineal, and a blend (not sure if I want purple or green ;o). 3 separate batches, that yarn, and it will make different pairs of 16th century stockings (English/Irish). I'm also processing a couple of raw fleeces, with the aim of spinning it myself and making woven fabric from it for a couple of earlier-SCA period outfits. One of the fleeces is a Romney, which is a more modern breed of sheep, but I lucked out *hugely* with it, and it's such a nice fleece, it just *needs* to be made into a garment. I have something like 6? 7? pounds of it, and if my spinning can do it justice, it'll become a tunic done in a broken lozenge twill. I'm also making a few new sets of (Western Norse/Danish, 10th c.) garb, all in linen and wool. Don't have the time to handsew them entirely, though. I've got a deadline on those, because the single largest regional event for my SCA area is coming up in early June. Oh, and I *am* working on a handsewn 12th century (Norman) outfit, using ideas I got from reading Robin's article of a few years ago..... What's going on in your neck of the costuming world? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > Thanks, Sue. :-) > > Feel like discussing latest projects? > > Arlys > > On Sat, 20 May 2006 08:48:46 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" > writes: > > You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. > > I think it's just really quiet.... > > --Sue, checking email before heading out to the gardens..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:10 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] hello out there?? > > > > > > > Hi all. Have recieved nothing from this list since yesterday > > (Friday) > > > morning. Everything ok? > > > > > > Arlys > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:04:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL4JqR011043 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:04:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KL4Fh2030583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL3wJA068919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL3vrd069948; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL3rQ9069773 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m33.in-tch.com [216.166.191.33]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4KKs1202926 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:54:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001e01c67c51$f14a2040$21bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Awesome, Saragrace! That just totally rocks! ;o) --sue, channeling the sea turtle in "Finding Nemo" for some reason.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] My latest gig! > I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very expensive!! > > http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/ > > Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx anything by announcing it!) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cynthia J Ley > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > Feel like discussing latest projects? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:05:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL5Vv2011072 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:05:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KL5Ree003586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:05:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL5Eqc069085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL5EVE071075; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KL55LV070919 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:05:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m33.in-tch.com [216.166.191.33]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4KKtE203125 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:55:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002d01c67c52$1ca3d7e0$21bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.071047.420.0.Cley@juno.com> <001101c67c1c$8122ae20$80bfa6d8@pavilion><200605201231.21543.cathy@thyrsus.com> <446F7063.4070002@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO Yeah. I'm bribing a friend with locally-famous fried chicken to help me with mine next week. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Schnoor" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > >On Saturday 20 May 2006 10:48 am, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > > > >>You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. > >>I think it's just really quiet.... > >> > >> > > > >Same here. I'm finding H-costume quiet at the moment, too. It's not > >surprising--it usually slows down a lot during the summer, especially during > >sunny weekends. > > > >Somebody say something! :-) > > > > > > > > > Yeah, you know how hard it is to convince someone--anyone--to pin a hem > for you when the weather is this good? :P > > Marie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:30:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLU92n011866 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:30:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KLU5oj011479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLTS0p071779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLTRDI091927; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4KLTKfX091810 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCG9CR6ALCVF3S for (sender ); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQUH8HGV; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:27:59 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:24:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:06:09 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Sure! Always! > I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them > peripherally > (sp?) associated with historical costuming, in that they're > fiber-related. > I'm preparing wool and yarns at the moment (getting them ready for a > weekend > natural dyeing workshop next weekend), and some of that will become > historical clothing and accessories. I've got myself about a pound > What's going on in your neck of the costuming world? > --Sue Oh gosh, nothing nearly as exciting as what you're doing! :-) Mamluk, huh? I have a friend who needs to talk to you! My project right now involves revamping a blackwork class that I'll be teaching in August--I am digging out docs and pictures, and making another sampler to go with the class. I don't costume at all, but enjoy the discussions and take classes when I can so I can understand it better--I just don't have time for it, as music and embroidery keep me very busy! ;) I'm also working on improving my SCA persona kit. From a costuming end, a friend is making me a GFD in the next month or so. Yay! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:30:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLUKKZ011880 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:30:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KLUGKl023271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:30:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLTSE7071777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLTRkI091921; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4KLTKcP091811 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCG9CR6ATVRDD2 for (sender ); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQUH8HG2; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:27:59 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:25:59 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Bjarne, hope all heals well with your knee. Are you going to be doing physical therapy after? Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:30:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLUTEM011889 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:30:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KLTt2S029490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLTSTs071778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLTR5T091920; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4KLTKGk091813 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCG9CR6AWX8YX2 for (sender ); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQUH8HGX; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:27:59 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:25:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Wow, Saragrace! Just WOW!!! We look forward to hearing more about this as it progresses and seeing pics! Arlys > > I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to > do > costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the > Rijksmuseum from > Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask > me to > do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be > funds > since they realized it could be very expensive!! > > > > > http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/ ns/details/833/> > > > > Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx > anything > by announcing it!) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cynthia J Ley > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > > Feel like discussing latest projects? > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:43:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLhc2x012402 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KLhYmo004074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLhNGW073729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLhMBr004216; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLhGIK004077 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.459.f73590 (16099) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee3446f8d693b6; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:43:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060520143437.0qbqtbrwmcogo8ko@www.goldsword.com> References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <20060520143437.0qbqtbrwmcogo8ko@www.goldsword.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4KLhc2x012402 Status: RO Great! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 20, 2006, at 2:34 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Saragrace Knauf : > >> I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do >> costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the >> Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope >> like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They >> even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very >> expens1ive!! > > WooHoo! You go, Girl! > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 17:55:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLtwRB013120 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:55:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KLtspD019125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:55:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLtJcR075145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 15:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLtHWV014812; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KLtEJX014662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FhZPc-00035X-7S; Sat, 20 May 2006 16:55:04 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:55:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20060520175504.ei72r2wqpwggcwks@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 17:55:04 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Hi, > How nice for you, that is lovely. Please keep us updated with this! > > Bjarne who is not well at the moment. Had a knee operation yesterday, > and have many pains today, but it will be fine again soon. Hope you are indeed up and around soon! I went through arthroscopic surgery with my husband and knee replacements with my mother- and father-in-law. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 19:35:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KNZ2Yx016616 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:35:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4KNYVmx016760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 19:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KNWpKI085774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 17:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KNWfWj091456; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KNWcTM091415 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 17:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Fhaw037X0-0001zw; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:32:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c67c65$a7e5bc70$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <001e01c67c51$f14a2040$21bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Saragrace, This is such wonderful news! Congrads! Ask if the museum cares if you make an online dress diary. It gives the museum and you more publicity. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 20:08:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L08OpC017731 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 20:08:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L08KXM030349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 20:08:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIHDn8051604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 12:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIHBFK031865; Sat, 20 May 2006 12:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KIH8tK031822 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 12:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24715.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.21]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E4E68A001F for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 20:17:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003201c67c39$a49de870$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO Hi, How nice for you, that is lovely. Please keep us updated with this! Bjarne who is not well at the moment. Had a knee operation yesterday, and have many pains today, but it will be fine again soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] My latest gig! I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very expensive!! http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/ Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx anything by announcing it!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia J Ley Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? Feel like discussing latest projects? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 21:05:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L15NB8019746 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:05:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L15IMZ006995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 21:05:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L14ifV096603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 19:04:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L14g5S069093; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:04:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L14dSW069042 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 19:04:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FhcN32v4a-0001wn; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:04:38 -0400 Message-ID: <004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:04:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 May 2006 21:05:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 446FBCCF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw earlier this week the thread "What's on your dressform" and didn't have time to answer. A lot has been on my dressforms during the past week. I have been photographing the fashion collection at Virginia Commonwealth University. I start teaching the fashion history class Monday at the university. I will be using some of the sturdier pieces in the classroom. The frial pieces are photographed to show the students projected from my laptop via a motorized screen. Some of the collection's costumes are misdated. Each archive box is like opening Christmas packages... you never know what you will find inside. A lot of fun! I found a bodice in a box named 1900. The bodice is clearly not from 1900, as were several other items in the box. I think it might be date from 1840s or 1860s. My class time frame is from 1860-1990. If this piece is from 1860, I can use these photos in my class. Would you all please look at some photgraphs of the bodice and let me know what time frame you think it is from. The center front and center back have a point at the waist. Front view: ( I didn't pad out the waistline curve to show the full point) www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010112.jpg Flat view of the inside of bodice: www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010111.jpg Flat view of the back of bodice: www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010107.jpg Thank you for your help. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 22:34:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L2Yk1J023596 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:34:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L2Yfoa025689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 22:34:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKNJI9064727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKNJ18035301; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKNFki035194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4KMDbY3021647 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 18:13:38 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Oseberg+uni shop Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:32:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605201532.57656.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 May 2006 22:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446FD1C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 16 May 2006 9:58 am, G.Vinje wrote: > I just heard from the uni shop. The woman I was in touch with had checked > with the museum and the price should be about the same. Get in touch with > either ; > Kirsti.Kjerkreit@akademika.no > Or ; > hfavd@akademika.no Thanks for the information. I'm presently ordering a book from Finland and have buying plans for several others right now, but I may buy the Oseberg book yet! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 22:34:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L2Yk1L023596 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:34:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L2Yfoc025689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 22:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKKRqE064416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 14:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKKQxV032906; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4KKKLMs032730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4KMAiwX021591 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 18:10:44 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Status: RO On Saturday 20 May 2006 2:17 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > How nice for you, that is lovely. Please keep us updated with this! > > Bjarne who is not well at the moment. Had a knee operation yesterday, and > have many pains today, but it will be fine again soon. Sorry to hear about your knee, Bjarne. Get better soon! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 23:03:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L33Bsu024962 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:03:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L337nd001720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 23:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L32eVw014043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 21:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L32bfK075727; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L32Wsd075641 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A70261704EC; Sun, 21 May 2006 02:57:06 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4L32Wsd075641 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 20 May 2006 23:03:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446FD86B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where will your class be taught? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? On Sat, 20 May 2006 15:06:09 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Sure! Always! > I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them > peripherally > (sp?) associated with historical costuming, in that they're > fiber-related. > I'm preparing wool and yarns at the moment (getting them ready for a > weekend > natural dyeing workshop next weekend), and some of that will become > historical clothing and accessories. I've got myself about a pound > What's going on in your neck of the costuming world? > --Sue Oh gosh, nothing nearly as exciting as what you're doing! :-) Mamluk, huh? I have a friend who needs to talk to you! My project right now involves revamping a blackwork class that I'll be teaching in August--I am digging out docs and pictures, and making another sampler to go with the class. I don't costume at all, but enjoy the discussions and take classes when I can so I can understand it better--I just don't have time for it, as music and embroidery keep me very busy! ;) I'm also working on improving my SCA persona kit. From a costuming end, a friend is making me a GFD in the next month or so. Yay! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 23:37:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3bcjt026496 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:37:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L3bXLl006704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 23:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3bF9e018754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 21:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3bEPF008674; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3b9GN008468 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FhekY-0004L4-00 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 13:37:02 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <200605201531.15337.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <20060520.071047.420.0.Cley@juno.com> <200605201231.21543.cathy@thyrsus.com> <446F7063.4070002@comcast.net> <200605201531.15337.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO >>> ......It's not surprising--it usually slows down a lot during the >>> summer, especially during sunny weekends. >>> >>> Somebody say something! :-) >> >> Yeah, you know how hard it is to convince someone--anyone--to pin a >> hem for you when the weather is this good? :P > > No, but I can just imagine. Heck, I have a hard time working up the > interest to do my *own* hemming when the weather is this good. :-) > No problem! Just do what we do here in Canberra, and take the hemming/sewing outdoors! Find a flat place/patio under a nice tree that's still colorful, but hasn't yet dropped those gorgeous leaves, especially if there are a few late-blooming flowers nearby, and you can't ask for better. My roses are still blooming like crazy, even after the few nights of light frost we've had recently; although my birches are already looking a little winter-forlorn, having dropped just about all their leaves. Sadly, I had to prune a lot of already-budding branches off of my winter-blooming grevillea shrub this past week. I wish I could follow my own advice today, but I'm stuck indoors with a sinus infection (possibly the flu as well). Maybe next week -- I have two 16C Italian dresses needing hems. Though we really need rain, I'll take warm, gentle sunshine if that's all that's offered! (And it's all that's been offered for over a week now!) Weather like this is a good argument for having truly portable sewing kits and beautiful garden pavilions. Beth, ex-pat New Jerseyan, now settled in Canberra, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 20 23:48:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3mDQq027669 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:48:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L3m9Fv025912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 20 May 2006 23:48:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3ltJB020253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 21:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L3ls4V018576; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4L3lSd9018270 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 21:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCG92XDA3WGPZ2 for (sender ); Sat, 20 May 2006 20:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQU7VU6S; Sat, 20 May 2006 20:46:39 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:42:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO The class is for my Kingdom's Royal University, and it will be taught at a local (Portland area, OR) event in August. I've taught it before, but there's always stuff to refine. Arlys On Sat, 20 May 2006 20:02:20 -0700 "Sharon at Collierfam.com" writes: > Where will your class be taught? > Sharon >> My big project right now involves revamping a blackwork class that I'll >> be teaching in August--I am digging out docs and pictures, and making >> another sampler to go with the class. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 00:57:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L4vC0e031271 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 00:57:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L4v8sO031871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 00:57:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L4uaTP029351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 20 May 2006 22:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L4uW66082301; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L4uT8L082258 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FhfzQ-0000EM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 21 May 2006 00:56:28 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060520234959.03100ba0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 23:56:10 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200605202129.k4KLTnQL092262@net.indra.com> References: <200605202129.k4KLTnQL092262@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What's going on... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 00:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 446FF324.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well..... Costume Con 24 starts in less than a week - my Historical competition entry got done tonight, I'm still building my Fashion Show costume, I'm running the Fashion Show, so I need to finish writing the script and find music, I'm the outgoing Corresponding Secretary, so I need to put all my files on disc to hand over to the next one, and I'm giving at least one panel and probably more. Plus judging the Fantasy and SF competition. DH is finishing his Fashion Show costume, plus he has several panels to give (one of which requires a DVD compilation), is one of the con co-chairs, and is MC of the F/SF competition. I'll be GLAD when Memorial Day is over and I can sleep for a week!! Sandy At 04:29 PM 5/20/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:06:09 -0600 >From: "Sue Clemenger" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > >I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them peripherally >(sp?) associated with historical costuming, in that they're fiber-related. > >What's going on in your neck of the costuming world? >--Sue "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 04:43:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L8hGEA017832 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 04:43:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4L8hC5N012441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 04:43:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L8gmIc056228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 02:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L8eOct093513; Sun, 21 May 2006 02:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L8eJ4t093373 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 02:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247aa.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.170]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C37EFFAC047 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 10:40:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.142649.3164.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:40:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 04:43:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44702820.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Thanks for your concerns. It was an operation of the meniscus. I am going trough well, yesterday was much worse than today, but i limb a lot. There wont be any therapy after, because i have full movemement with the knee all ready. It just have to heal and the threads are moved away in 10 days by my doctor. Then there will be not so much time again to embroider, because i am off to my job then. I have ben sick from my job for 3 months, just because i had to waite for this operation. The 3 months, gave me time to finish the right side of the waistcoat embroidery. I am making buttons now, and i plan to set up the left side to my embroidery frame next week. The waistcoat is here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm Thanks for your concerns. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! > Bjarne, hope all heals well with your knee. Are you going to be doing > physical therapy after? > > Arlys > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 07:46:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBkKga002903 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:46:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LBkGMH026214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 07:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBiRVA080031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 05:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBiNPP071521; Sun, 21 May 2006 05:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-dav18.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBiK2u071466 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 05:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 May 2006 04:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 21 May 2006 11:44:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:44:18 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2006 11:44:20.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5E17080:01C67CCB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 07:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44705308.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Penny, I think it's from a little later than 1860, and buttons in the front. That's just my opinion, before coffee though...I'll see what I can find. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform >I saw earlier this week the thread "What's on your dressform" and didn't >have time to answer. A lot has been on my dressforms during the past week. >I have been photographing the fashion collection at Virginia Commonwealth >University. I start teaching the fashion history class Monday at the >university. I will be using some of the sturdier pieces in the classroom. >The frial pieces are photographed to show the students projected from my >laptop via a motorized screen. > > Some of the collection's costumes are misdated. Each archive box is like > opening Christmas packages... you never know what you will find inside. A > lot of fun! I found a bodice in a box named 1900. The bodice is clearly > not from 1900, as were several other items in the box. I think it might be > date from 1840s or 1860s. My class time frame is from 1860-1990. If this > piece is from 1860, I can use these photos in my class. > > Would you all please look at some photgraphs of the bodice and let me know > what time frame you think it is from. The center front and center back > have a point at the waist. > > Front view: ( I didn't pad out the waistline curve to show the full point) > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010112.jpg > > Flat view of the inside of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010111.jpg > > Flat view of the back of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010107.jpg > > Thank you for your help. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 07:55:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBtee3003431 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:55:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LBta2a024557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 07:55:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBtNra081408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 05:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBtLP2082166; Sun, 21 May 2006 05:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LBtHWQ082014 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 05:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A51E0254; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:55:10 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 21 May 2006 07:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c67ccd$cc7e3180$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 07:57:53 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 07:55:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44705538.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Penny, your project and class opportunity sound like fun. Re the dating, I have a suspicion that the boxes being misdated is probably because the person labeling the tags simply did not understand the difference between Nineteenth Century and 1900s. I have dealt with that issue a lot. In our school tours last week for fifth graders I hammered the point as part of my speil. I once had a customer have me do her up in a "Nineteenth C." ball gown for a dancing party. When she returned it, she explained to me that it was lovely, but not the right period. I then had the conversation with her about the Ages!! All news to her. Sigh Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform > I saw earlier this week the thread "What's on your dressform" and didn't > have time to answer. A lot has been on my dressforms during the past week. I > have been photographing the fashion collection at Virginia Commonwealth > University. I start teaching the fashion history class Monday at the > university. I will be using some of the sturdier pieces in the classroom. > The frial pieces are photographed to show the students projected from my > laptop via a motorized screen. > > Some of the collection's costumes are misdated. Each archive box is like > opening Christmas packages... you never know what you will find inside. A > lot of fun! I found a bodice in a box named 1900. The bodice is clearly > not from 1900, as were several other items in the box. I think it might be > date from 1840s or 1860s. My class time frame is from 1860-1990. If this > piece is from 1860, I can use these photos in my class. > > Would you all please look at some photgraphs of the bodice and let me know > what time frame you think it is from. The center front and center back have > a point at the waist. > > Front view: ( I didn't pad out the waistline curve to show the full point) > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010112.jpg > > Flat view of the inside of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010111.jpg > > Flat view of the back of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010107.jpg > > Thank you for your help. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 08:57:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LCvBfI006191 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:57:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LCv61G032650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 08:57:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LCubIA090994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 06:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LCuYvk043080; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LCuVGX042947 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.474.ecfb96 (15700) for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID52-3d544470637810; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:56:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20060520.142649.3164.2.Cley@juno.com> <002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <3beec5afdad31b8b2cab195af5fb5cd2@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:56:23 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 08:57:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447063A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4LCvBfI006191 Status: RO Bjarne, Take it easy with your knee. Don't rush the healing process. A little extra time spent recovering now, will make you very happy with the results later. Too many people rush their recovery time and do not get the full benefits of the surgery. Your embroidery is gorgeous! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 21, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for your concerns. It was an operation of the meniscus. I am > going trough well, yesterday was much worse than today, but i limb a > lot. There wont be any therapy after, because i have full movemement > with the knee all ready. It just have to heal and the threads are > moved away in 10 days by my doctor. Then there will be not so much > time again to embroider, because i am off to my job then. I have ben > sick from my job for 3 months, just because i had to waite for this > operation. > The 3 months, gave me time to finish the right side of the waistcoat > embroidery. I am making buttons now, and i plan to set up the left > side to my embroidery frame next week. > The waistcoat is here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm > Thanks for your concerns. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! > > >> Bjarne, hope all heals well with your knee. Are you going to be doing >> physical therapy after? >> >> Arlys >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 09:08:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LD8dlK006608 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 09:08:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LD8ZpY019594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 09:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LD84b5094764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 07:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LD7xIW053758; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz (fep02.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LD7tQm053630 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.160.10]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060521130721.WESP17995.fep02.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 01:07:21 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.392 [268.6.1/344]); Mon, 22 May 2006 01:07:21 +1200 Message-ID: <026b01c67cd7$7ef6e380$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 01:07:20 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 09:08:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44706653.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > Some of the collection's costumes are misdated. Each archive box is like > > opening Christmas packages... you never know what you will find inside. A > > lot of fun! I found a bodice in a box named 1900. The bodice is clearly > > not from 1900, as were several other items in the box. I think it might be > > date from 1840s or 1860s. My class time frame is from 1860-1990. If this > > piece is from 1860, I can use these photos in my class. It looks like 1879-1882 with the very deep point yet cut high on the hips. The bottom of the bodice sits below the waist of the bodice too. The half length sleeves and the way the bodice is lined also suggest this later date. There are fish darts at the waist which is interesting. The extra room at the back under the point suggests a bustle, so it could even be a little later. http://www.antique-lace.com/date2/2207/2207.htm This is a similarly shaped bodice which buttons up the front as well. It does havea lot more trimming though. > > Front view: ( I didn't pad out the waistline curve to show the full point) > > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010112.jpg I would suggest that this is the back, the bodice buttoning up the front. The darts always go to the front if there is a mix of darts and seams. At least for the 19thC;) I know there was a top someone was looking at from a present day soap opera that had darts at the back and princess seams at the front. > > Flat view of the inside of bodice: > > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010111.jpg > > > > Flat view of the back of bodice: > > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010107.jpg As per above, this would be the front. It looks like the sleeves curve slightly towards the buttoned side. A very sweet simple bodice. Is there any evidence of any trim being removed? There ought to be something at the sleeve openings anyway. Michaela de Bruce going mad beading and sequining a 16thC headdress. http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 10:29:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LETgsm010380 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 10:29:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LETcUv022612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 10:29:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LET2lc017005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 08:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LESsWx032699; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LESpBj032624 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so1446965pya for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eg6sUIy9GK6aXs088jLfauwIOVse5HWaxDRxgAUABtbFD7HtMvoc2C0rxt3iSoRWnQnZXA4fBwIUCRYpC+20ilkcpIS07Wb1DzF4tLM4D7kYTByVavK5hf1mIhmFHgvVtjWVeR/mYKYoCk+AwUR71G4ATIbOO4//EjZ82g8+Dsg= Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr1169408pym; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.8 with HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070605210728sedeb8e7ya159d784e4a1477e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:28:50 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform In-Reply-To: <004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4LESpBj032624 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 10:29:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44707952.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear penny, This bodice seems to be a fairly typical 1880's bodice. The buttons would be in the front. One sees this type of button quite often. The 3/4 sleeves are common in the 80's. One good way to tell 1860/70's from 1880/90's is the placement of the shoulder seam. in the 80/90s the shoulder seam is higher creating a narrower shoulder and more vertical look. In the 60/70's the shoulder line is dropped (to varying degrees) creating a wider, more curved, softer silhouette. I have scanned pictures from Harper's Bazar 1883 and 1884: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/1884_nov29_hb_b.jpg http://www.vintagevictorian.com/1883_sep22_hb.jpg Didn't have time to find a low cut bodice but these show the general 80's shape pretty well, pointed waist, front buttons covered by trim, 3/4 sleeves. The fact that your bodice does not extend below the waist tells me it was most likely from a year when there was more fullness in the skirt just below the waist, a bigger bustle. Rather than from when the bustle was very narrow (like 1880) and the bodice often extended well below the waist. I have a page up for 1880's evening dress, but no day dress yet. it's brand new, no quite finished: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1880e.html Katy On 5/20/06, Penny wrote: > I saw earlier this week the thread "What's on your dressform" and didn't > have time to answer. A lot has been on my dressforms during the past week. I > have been photographing the fashion collection at Virginia Commonwealth > University. I start teaching the fashion history class Monday at the > university. I will be using some of the sturdier pieces in the classroom. > The frial pieces are photographed to show the students projected from my > laptop via a motorized screen. > > Some of the collection's costumes are misdated. Each archive box is like > opening Christmas packages... you never know what you will find inside. A > lot of fun! I found a bodice in a box named 1900. The bodice is clearly > not from 1900, as were several other items in the box. I think it might be > date from 1840s or 1860s. My class time frame is from 1860-1990. If this > piece is from 1860, I can use these photos in my class. > > Would you all please look at some photgraphs of the bodice and let me know > what time frame you think it is from. The center front and center back have > a point at the waist. > > Front view: ( I didn't pad out the waistline curve to show the full point) > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010112.jpg > > Flat view of the inside of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010111.jpg > > Flat view of the back of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010107.jpg > > Thank you for your help. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 10:51:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LEppIW012222 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 10:51:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LEplTs030498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 10:51:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LEpUi3020090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 08:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LEpPw9055644; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4LEpKki055520 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97984 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2006 14:51:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fc/wRNhy46ji6NeJNxy56nloJjkjl3saIjZ8nCfO8wk9prmpClC4G6wXkqs66YokNmt57vB5EY56GuaEd9tI5LrC8skkuTISn/lkfcA9q/YAotIDh7CfJ1Fx1CE9SU0NVapZxLoGOXWv6zxLGt4uywbs1VJN6ic3K0Usy/WbA2w= ; Message-ID: <20060521145114.97982.qmail@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:51:14 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 07:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605202130.k4KLTnQM092262@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: My latest gig! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 10:51:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44707E84.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Very cool !! Congratulations. Any idea if the exhibit will be coming to Seattle or anywhere near it? Annette M Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 11:05:41 -0700 From: "Saragrace Knauf" Subject: [h-cost] My latest gig! I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very expensive!! http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/ Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx anything by announcing it!) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 13:21:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LHLOAS018042 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 13:21:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LHLKXc006875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 13:21:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LHKwVS037818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 11:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LHKt8d081068; Sun, 21 May 2006 11:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LHKoMN080941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 11:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4LJBHhp012412 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:11:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 12:30:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060520.142649.3164.2.Cley@juno.com> <002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605211230.37149.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 13:21:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4470A190.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 21 May 2006 4:40 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Thanks for your concerns. It was an operation of the meniscus. I am going > trough well, yesterday was much worse than today, but i limb a lot. There > wont be any therapy after, because i have full movemement with the knee all > ready. It just have to heal and the threads are moved away in 10 days by my > doctor. Then there will be not so much time again to embroider, because i > am off to my job then. I have ben sick from my job for 3 months, just > because i had to waite for this operation. > The 3 months, gave me time to finish the right side of the waistcoat > embroidery. I am making buttons now, and i plan to set up the left side to > my embroidery frame next week. It looks absolutely stunning. I can hardly wait to see the completed coat (and the rest of the suit?) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 14:23:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIN392020022 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 14:23:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LIMxVN002501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 14:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIMcDg045222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 12:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIMXSC032733; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIMRvQ032641 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.139]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BB6AA50040 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002901c67d03$9382e200$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.142649.3164.2.Cley@juno.com><002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <3beec5afdad31b8b2cab195af5fb5cd2@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:22:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4470B003.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Data-Samtak" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee Bjarne, Take it easy with your knee. Don't rush the healing process. A little extra time spent recovering now, will make you very happy with the results later. Too many people rush their recovery time and do not get the full benefits of the surgery. Your embroidery is gorgeous! Susan Hi Susan, Many thanks, yes i promise i will take it easy. Ill ask my doctor when he takes out the threads, when i can start to work again. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 14:24:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIOS3g020048 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 14:24:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LIOOPg010452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 14:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIOD5M045317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 12:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIODxI034080; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LIO96p034022 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 12:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f558b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.139]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BCB9FAC06A for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:24:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002f01c67d03$ce4e4e10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.142649.3164.2.Cley@juno.com><002201c67cb2$39c03ac0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <200605211230.37149.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:24:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 14:24:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4470B058.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! bjarnes knee > It looks absolutely stunning. I can hardly wait to see the completed coat > (and the rest of the suit?) > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) Thanks, ill keep you updated with it, promise Bjarne _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 17:49:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLnfGo025835 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:49:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LLnbWl009838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLnALp072012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 15:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLn4oM013812; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:49:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L463Sn034771 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 22:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060521040558m1200pu7l3e>; Sun, 21 May 2006 04:05:58 +0000 Message-ID: <446FE753.4070609@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:06:43 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO Cynthia J Ley wrote: >The class is for my Kingdom's Royal University, and it will be taught at >a local (Portland area, OR) event in August. I've taught it before, but >there's always stuff to refine. > >Arlys > > > *Hears Portland and perks up* Oh? An Ithra in August? Do tell... Marie :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 17:54:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLsX5X025944 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:54:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LLsSH3016154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:54:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLs9Ew072811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 15:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLs8Iu018617; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LCWlWf020726 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 06:32:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ADE80294; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:32:40 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.144 ([209.131.80.144] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 21 May 2006 08:32:34 -0400 Message-ID: <006701c67cd3$0e0fd4a0$905083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <004d01c67c72$829f9410$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:35:32 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:54:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4470E194.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Penny, how is the bodice closed in the back, and how was the sleeve finished at the bottom? The neckline differs for both '40's and '50's of the bodices I have for these periods. Did it ever have a skirt fastened to the bodice? My 1840's dress is one piece; the sleeve is puffed at the top and flares out slightly from just above the elbow. The neckline is at neck level and fastens in the front with hooks and eyes. The three bodices I have from the next decade have a more oval neckline that goes from shoulderbone to shoulderbone. They are plainly for a two piece dress. Two were made for the same skirt; one is matching and the other in coordinated contrast. This ensemble also has a jacket that was made at some time from a panel of the skirt. The sleeve is shaped more like the very early1860s. At the time I found this set in a shop, the skirt had been remodeled for about 1879/80. After researching the styles of these periods, I settled on 1855, based on the shapes total items and the 'extra fabric' included. With some fear and trepidation, I took the skirt apart and was excited and relieved to discover that the skirt sham was the original and it was clear that my proposed renovation was the right choice. There were the stitching lines that would support the two tiered skirt and the 'extra fabric' was meant to be the 8" ruffle at the bottom!! Sigh Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there and what's on your dressform > I saw earlier this week the thread "What's on your dressform" and didn't > have time to answer. A lot has been on my dressforms during the past week. I > have been photographing the fashion collection at Virginia Commonwealth > University. I start teaching the fashion history class Monday at the > university. I will be using some of the sturdier pieces in the classroom. > The frial pieces are photographed to show the students projected from my > laptop via a motorized screen. > > Some of the collection's costumes are misdated. Each archive box is like > opening Christmas packages... you never know what you will find inside. A > lot of fun! I found a bodice in a box named 1900. The bodice is clearly > not from 1900, as were several other items in the box. I think it might be > date from 1840s or 1860s. My class time frame is from 1860-1990. If this > piece is from 1860, I can use these photos in my class. > > Would you all please look at some photgraphs of the bodice and let me know > what time frame you think it is from. The center front and center back have > a point at the waist. > > Front view: ( I didn't pad out the waistline curve to show the full point) > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010112.jpg > > Flat view of the inside of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010111.jpg > > Flat view of the back of bodice: > www.costumegallery.com/help/P1010107.jpg > > Thank you for your help. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 17:57:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLv2bm025984 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:57:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LLuw00001087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLujnB073185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 15:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLujWK020987; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav2.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LERSNU031063 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 May 2006 07:27:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 21 May 2006 14:27:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4LLv2bm025984 Status: RO I couldn't think of not keeping you all up to date on the project....I will make a diary. I am to get the list of artworks early next week.... Thanks for all your happy words, Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: [h-cost] My latest gig! I do, I do! The Phoenix Art Museum just called me and asked me to do costumes in conjunction with the traveling exhibit from the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam! Wheeeee! I am soooo exited. I hope like heck they ask me to do the "Kitchen Maid" by Vermeer. They even said there would be funds since they realized it could be very expensive!! http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/833/> Sg (who can hardly believe it herself, and hopes she doesn't jinx anything by announcing it!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia J Ley> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? Feel like discussing latest projects? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 17:55:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLrhdL025924 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LLrcDD026177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:53:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLpco4072338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 15:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLpbB0016048; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4L55Jx1089993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 23:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4L6tibR031789 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 02:55:44 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO On Saturday 20 May 2006 5:06 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Sure! Always! > I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them peripherally > (sp?) associated with historical costuming, Wow, neat stuff, Sue! Since nothing else is going on here, this may be a good time for people to talk about their current costume/textile-related projects. Let's see. What am I working on now? Ignoring the stuff that's gotten pushed so far down the list it's a misrepresentation to claim I'm working on it at the moment, we have: * A Viking apron dress of the same style as the reconstruction in the Danish National Museum (I forget the official name of the museum just now, sorry!) * A plain linen smock or two to wear with it and other period garb (none of my smocks are linen, and I'm trying to make my garb more properly historic.) * An ornamented shawl of a style found in Lithuanian digs dated to about the 10th century. * Teaching myself nalbinding so that I can eventually make myself a properly period pair of socks. My first project is a kind of floppy dome I'm trying to turn into a simple hat. * Remaking a classical Roman matron's tunic to be more period; * Making a stola (sleeveless overdress--*not* a shawl or stole, despite the name) to wear with the above. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 17:58:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLwpgC026023 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:58:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4LLwl4T012661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLwSP7073376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 15:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LLwR9P022469; Sun, 21 May 2006 15:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4LFf7V7098317 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 09:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24240 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2006 15:41:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yIpaKYH/PRA1NB/fVcLyhd+q4HDqgAC059ycUv4j7tRszu4slQl9hbDI/ddwOYTwlU1bkkNXGxRSEC8S2FbU0RMEi5ck68D14rxhQtwfPjtbvg+Ltu9eA+DGl6Cqy3HSxd6ZZyHGs5s0KMuiraIhAqYVdrMy+owhZ25hFDASvNw= ; Message-ID: <20060521154100.24238.qmail@web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35606.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 08:41:00 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO Wedding clothes! I know the styles are from several different periods, but I'm about the only one that will actually be there that knows this. 2 or 4 linen men's 'tunics' - rather modified from the leine as they are only for this one time 1 - ionar/kilcommon jacket adaption - also for just this one time, although I suspect he will really like it and want to wear it again when I haul him to some SCA events :-D 1 or 2 pair of "trousers" 1 or 2 semi-heraldic tabards 4 - linen chemises 4 - underdresses 2 - fitted overgowns with short sleeves and tippets 1 - overdress/tabard thing (adapted from the gold brocade 15th c. florentine gown in braun and schneider) 1 - sideless surcotte - I almost bought a silver fox jacket at the second hand store for trimming this one, but it was in such perfect condition I knew I couldn't bring myself to cut it apart, and I really want a shorter fur for this if I use one. I am having three of the underdresses (should really be GFD's) made from commercial patterns for a couple of reasons. 1. my honor attendant really hasn't any use for a period dress 2. my flower girl/usherette is going to grow out of hers before too long 3. I haven't found anyone that gets the idea of the GFD enough to help me with mine - nor have I been able to find a fabric that I like well enough to do the extra work (really good lightweight wool is very difficult to find around here, and I hate to order online sight unseen) 4. I like the allegorical look for this and that will be easier to do messing with a modern pattern style that I am more familiar with. Oh - and about a dozen 'silk' pennants in various colors taken from our different families' 'supposed' coat of arms. And yes, I have help with all this sewing! Annette M Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:15:03 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond Subject: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) On Saturday 20 May 2006 5:06 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Sure! Always! > I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them peripherally > (sp?) associated with historical costuming, Wow, neat stuff, Sue! Since nothing else is going on here, this may be a good time for people to talk about their current costume/textile-related projects. Let's see. What am I working on now? Ignoring the stuff that's gotten pushed so far down the list it's a misrepresentation to claim I'm working on it at the moment, we have: * A Viking apron dress of the same style as the reconstruction in the Danish National Museum (I forget the official name of the museum just now, sorry!) * A plain linen smock or two to wear with it and other period garb (none of my smocks are linen, and I'm trying to make my garb more properly historic.) * An ornamented shawl of a style found in Lithuanian digs dated to about the 10th century. * Teaching myself nalbinding so that I can eventually make myself a properly period pair of socks. My first project is a kind of floppy dome I'm trying to turn into a simple hat. * Remaking a classical Roman matron's tunic to be more period; * Making a stola (sleeveless overdress--*not* a shawl or stole, despite the name) to wear with the above. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 20:57:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M0v6j8030513 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 20:57:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M0v2bq016110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 20:57:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M0uadf095402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 18:56:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M0uWni077450; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4M0uTY2077315 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 18:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCHCDAVAVL8VS2 for (sender ); Sun, 21 May 2006 17:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQXGFVS4; Sun, 21 May 2006 17:54:47 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 17:49:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? Message-ID: <20060521.175422.220.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-23 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 8:4:904738343 X-MAIL-INFO: 13e990e59020e40020e459c0e459388034d9a1b0b90dd94414a9b9a544b184bd4410cdd5e999e964a05991e4e9c0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgkVEDw67l7lV0X7z2g5O43Y= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 21 May 2006 20:57:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44710C5E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO replied to privately. On Sat, 20 May 2006 21:06:43 -0700 Marie Schnoor writes: > Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > >The class is for my Kingdom's Royal University, and it will be > taught at > >a local (Portland area, OR) event in August. I've taught it before, > but > >there's always stuff to refine. > > > >Arlys > > > > > > > *Hears Portland and perks up* Oh? An Ithra in August? Do tell... > > Marie :) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 21 23:41:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M3fL1P001823 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:41:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M3fHvE003505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 21 May 2006 23:41:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M3enOq014555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 21:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M3ekpE010343; Sun, 21 May 2006 21:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M3ehLB010217 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 21:40:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m24.in-tch.com [216.166.191.24]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4M3Un221337 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 21:30:50 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO I think I'm right about where you are, garb-wise, Cathy. My "laundry list" wasn't really an indication of my Extreme Expertise and Skills, but more like the results of being consitutionally incapable of project monogamy. Deity help me, a couple of weeks ago, I was encountering my first power tool (a drill press) in a friend's garage, learning to register soapstone molds so I can carve the molds and make my own pewter buttons for fitted gowns. I'd love to hear more about you Lithuanian shawl! --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > On Saturday 20 May 2006 5:06 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > Sure! Always! > > I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them peripherally > > (sp?) associated with historical costuming, > > Wow, neat stuff, Sue! > > Since nothing else is going on here, this may be a good time for people to > talk about their current costume/textile-related projects. > > Let's see. What am I working on now? Ignoring the stuff that's gotten pushed > so far down the list it's a misrepresentation to claim I'm working on it at > the moment, we have: > > * A Viking apron dress of the same style as the reconstruction in the Danish > National Museum (I forget the official name of the museum just now, sorry!) > > * A plain linen smock or two to wear with it and other period garb (none of > my smocks are linen, and I'm trying to make my garb more properly historic.) > > * An ornamented shawl of a style found in Lithuanian digs dated to about the > 10th century. > > * Teaching myself nalbinding so that I can eventually make myself a properly > period pair of socks. My first project is a kind of floppy dome I'm trying > to turn into a simple hat. > > * Remaking a classical Roman matron's tunic to be more period; > > * Making a stola (sleeveless overdress--*not* a shawl or stole, despite the > name) to wear with the above. > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 00:17:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4HXrR002683 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:17:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M4GunM027710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 00:17:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4GGOu017853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 22:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4GDAT035995; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4M4G56Q035854 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 46791 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2006 04:16:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xYRxgfYgJoOOTqQQ6lW9BWn8DD6NxS8qiAMKXzD5ZM+cyR0+wv5lwGgEQ98VUYMnxUyeHTLFi58KanvWSCcVj5+q9CL5R1Oa2jp2krElX+1bdaZlco4sC9MG5qJpmVljV9COmV4xQYtRRFz9RDu9nvDW3Y7ctPrI6fagJs8LBK0= ; Message-ID: <20060522041600.46789.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.250.189.45] by web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 21 May 2006 21:16:00 PDT Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 21:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] quick info needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 00:17:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44713B38.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anybody tell me how many yards it will take to make a ruff for a man with a 16" neck? I think I found a deal on some lace trim, but I'm not sure there will be enough for two ruff sets. There is 25 yds on the spool. Will that be enough for two ruff and cuff sets? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 00:21:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4L2DD002771 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:21:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M4KwLQ001584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 00:21:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4KfXr018471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 22:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4KeDM039151; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4Kalu039032 for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4M4KT510235 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:20:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 21:20:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Current projects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 00:21:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44713C2A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm working on a new gown to go under my surcoat. It's at the bottom of the page. http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca/costume_projects.html I'm almost done finishing the seams on the inside and will move to embroidering over the seams on the outside, then I can start embroidering the collar band. Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 00:52:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4qaba003651 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:52:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M4qWmq000555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 00:52:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4q53f022782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 May 2006 22:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4pxw5062036; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:52:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M4ptNv061957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4M6gOre026725 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:42:25 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO On Sunday 21 May 2006 11:48 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I think I'm right about where you are, garb-wise, Cathy. My "laundry list" > wasn't really an indication of my Extreme Expertise and Skills, but more > like the results of being consitutionally incapable of project monogamy. Same here, which was part of my point. However, you have attempted a wider variety of projects than I have (see below). > Deity help me, a couple of weeks ago, I was encountering my first power > tool (a drill press) in a friend's garage, learning to register soapstone > molds so I can carve the molds and make my own pewter buttons for fitted > gowns. Now anything that requires power tools is a bit farther than I've cared to go! I'm still waffling about using that sheet copper I bought to try to make a Viking style needlecase-and I can do that with only a dowel and a pair of pliers (and maybe crazy glue). > I'd love to hear more about you Lithuanian shawl! One of the things the lands along the Baltic seem to have in common (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, parts of Finland, even Novogorod) is that the rich tended to ornament their clothes by working bronze coils and rings into them. (Most of the 1st-10th c textile finds in those areas have survived because the bronze ornaments preserve a fair amount of the cloth. Since most of the ornamentation was at the edges, you get a good idea of the size of the ornamented items.) Based on where the metal ornaments were found, it appears that there was a standard shawl size (roughly 30 inches by 40 inches). The proper way to do the ornamentation would be to weave the shawl to order, and wrap strips of sheet bronze or bits of bronze wire around certain warp threads as I worked, but I'm not likely to learn how to weave anything bigger than a tablet-woven belt anytime soon. So what I'll probably do is kind of corkscrew pieces of copper wire into already woven wool (I have some nice wool melton cut and fringed for the purpose). Then, I will make smaller coils of copper wire, string them onto a cord, and couch them onto each short end. Raymond's Quiet Press started making the kind of stick pins that (it has been theorized) were used to fasten these shawls. There's a picture of the design here: http://www.quietpress.com/New2004.html (look under "new in October 2004"; it's the left-hand picture, the item on the far right). They were used in pairs, fastened together with bronze chains. The pins attached to them are huge--as big as knitting needles (the same is true of the actual survivals Raymond's model is based upon). Having finally bought myself a pair from Raymond as a birthday present, my theory is that the pins were never meant to go through anything other than the shawl. Once you fasten them to the shawl (I've already tried this) you can take the shawl off and on over your head (really, really carefully, to make sure you don't gouge out your eyes) as a unit, without risking damage to the rest of your body or clothes. I have already finished most of the rest of the costume the shawl is to be worn with. When I finally finish the shawl, I'll put a picture in the MedCos gallery and post the URL to it here. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 04:06:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M8612H005893 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:06:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M85uKL012877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 04:06:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M85XXR041405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 02:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M85Tqp023261; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M85RSl023207 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:05:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247af.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.175]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DB2BFAC046 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:05:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Current projects Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:05:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 04:06:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447170E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Gosh how wonderfull you made the sleaves. Thanks for posting. Please let us know when there are more pictures! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Current projects > I'm working on a new gown to go under my surcoat. It's at the bottom of > the page. > http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca/costume_projects.html > > I'm almost done finishing the seams on the inside and will move to > embroidering over the seams on the outside, then I can start embroidering > the collar band. > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company > in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they > want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." > William of Conches, 12th century > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 04:16:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M8GtDv009244 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:16:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M8Gp8t013951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 04:16:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M8E15s042513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 02:14:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M8E0pN031598; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M8DrdM031370 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 02:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k4M8DlH20412.; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:46 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:32 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO You're lucky. It's cold and very wet in the UK (and I have my first camping event of the season next weekend!) I've been too busy with domestic problems to do any dressmaking this year. I have a query, though. I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) and have found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to store such things in acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what kind of shops sell such paper. Any suggestions? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> cathy@thyrsus.com 20/05/2006 20:31 >>> No, but I can just imagine. Heck, I have a hard time working up the interest to do my *own* hemming when the weather is this good. :-) -- Cathy "heading to a cookout tonight" Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 05:13:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M9DE0E022779 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:13:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4M9DAGW006794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 05:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M9CL4C050477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 03:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M9CI8Z090939; Mon, 22 May 2006 03:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4M9CEIc090777 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 03:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4686 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 09:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.36.98 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 09:12:09 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:12:04 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 05:13:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447180A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to talking about when we started sewing. One friend is a re-enactor, the other a former wardrobe mistress for the National Theatre among other things. Both of them had started very early, making clothes for themselves and for dolls. And they did it for pleasure! (And I am a professional costume maker.) Now I never made clothes for dolls that I remember. As a teenager I occasionally, and very badly, made the odd skirt or blouse for myself. I started work in the maintenance wardrobe of the RSC at 24, and the first serious making I did was in a rep company a couple of years later when I found it was part of my job as a wardrobe mistress to make the pantomime costumes. (I hate pantomime!) I got out of that very quickly, and went back to maintenance, eventually got married, had a son, and went to college as a mature student of 40 to learn to cut and make costumes. I discovered I was good enough never to have been out of work since I left college 20 mumble years ago. But I still hate sewing up the costumes! I love the working out of what the customer wants, the choosing of the fabrics, the making of the patterns and cutting them out, (skip the next bit - the sewing up) love hand finishing, trimming, and fitting. But please could someone tell me where to get a magic wand to sew everything together? Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. Suzi (about to sew the 5th Mary Queen of Scots costume, and putting it off!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 06:18:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAI2x9002677 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:18:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MAHwB8013003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 06:18:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAHERF058708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAHBCa061555; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAH71h061456 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247af.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.175]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 98CF6A50045 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:17:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c67d88$ebb26880$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com><001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? > > In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to talking > about when we started sewing. One friend is a re-enactor, snip I started early, at the age of 6 years to make clothes for my Barby dolls. My mom teached me. And i continued this many years. I did play with model trains, and toy cars also, but i always enjoyed the dolls more. At the age of 12 i started to try to make an 18th century hoop petticoat, and i used canes. I loved to play with draping on the hoop. Then in my pubity, stopped this mostly because it was embarrasing for me, if my friends would discover this strange behaviour of mine. I loved to draw ladies dressed in 18th century style, and even at the school in the drawing lessons, i continuously did this. I didnt think about a career with this, then, and actually i started an education after school to become a ship navigator. I went trough tests, and was hired for a danish shipping company. They sended me to a officers school, one of the hardest and most oldfashioned schools in Denmark called Kogtved Søfartsskole. Later when i went to sea, i longed for my family and i skipped this education. Many in my family, shamed me to do such a thing because it was a wonderfull future career i skipped. I went to entrance examination to the danish design school and i was getting in. I studyed 4 years here, and i was like a fish in water. The end, i have told you all about before, i made costumes for renaissance dansers as my final test. And i dont have a cat. If i would be allowed in this flat, i would have a King Charles Spanniel. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 06:19:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAJJtU002854 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:19:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MAIXCk008617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 06:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAHPOu058732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAHPBa061811; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAHLVY061629 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.44a.14392b3 (58435) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <44a.14392b3.31a2e9a8@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO In a message dated 5/22/2006 5:13:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Both of them had started very early, making clothes for themselves and for dolls. And they did it for pleasure! I first started sewing when I got a Babette (cheap imitation Barbie) in 4th grade. Before that, my mom sewed for me and my dolls. My first efforts were trying to copy what the commercial Barbies had, but then I started getting creative. It was great when the first commercial patterns for these dolls came out. I graduated to sewing for myself when I took home ec. in 7th grade. I made most of my clothes in high school, and my family had limited funds. Majored in home ec. ed in college, where I took two very rigorous clothing construction classes. Flat pattern was only offered in summer school, which I couldn't afford, so I bought the text and tried to learn on my own--later took that in graduate school. But I know what you mean about sewing. The design, fabric selection, and figuring out how to do the project are what I enjoy most. The actual sewing, only if I'm doing something new. That is one reason I didn't last in theatre--I was only a stitcher, and too old to wait to work my up in the hierarchy to get to the design part. As a reenactor, I get to do the fun part--designing! Before I took up reenacting, 10 years ago, I went through other sewing phases. Made active wear for a while--leotards and swimsuits, mostly. And I did some lingerie. The occasional formal dress. And then my husband and I started square dancing, and I made outfits for that--another way to indulge a fondness for fun fabrics and trims. I almost never make daywear anymore, but now I have two granddaughters, and I make some things for them. I had forgotten, though, how tedious it is to manipulate size 3 parts! Sometimes wish I had mice, like the Tailor of Gloucester, to do some of the stitching. Or, as someone said, we have these high tech sewing machines. Why can't we just put the fabric on and they do the rest? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 06:31:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAVbo7007265 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:31:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MAVXxJ010666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 06:31:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAUCgJ060253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 04:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAUAUu075545; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MAU1G9075287 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.444.13f3c92 (39330) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:29:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <444.13f3c92.31a2eca0@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:29:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO My Nana taught me to sew when I was 3. I started making clothes when I was about 6 or 7. (Slightly strangely, they were always for me or my nana, never for dolls - nana knitted the clothes for my sindy dolls). I begged my Nana for a fashion wheel (kids toy where you can rotate it to create different outfits and do rubbings on paper), for years, and finally got that and a sewing machine when I was 10. Started designing clothes and cutting patterns about the same time. Started making costumes when I was at college doing theatre. Studied fashion. And have been costuming for a while now. 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? > > In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to talking > about when we started sewing. One friend is a re-enactor, the other a > former wardrobe mistress for the National Theatre among other things. Both > of them had started very early, making clothes for themselves and for > dolls. And they did it for pleasure! (And I am a professional costume > maker.) > > Now I never made clothes for dolls that I remember. As a teenager I > occasionally, and very badly, made the odd skirt or blouse for myself. I, too, started out making Barbie clothes. And I loved Madame Alexander dolls for their exquisite costumes. > > But I still hate sewing up the costumes! I love the working out of what > the customer wants, the choosing of the fabrics, the making of the > patterns and cutting them out, (skip the next bit - the sewing up) love > hand finishing, trimming, and fitting. But please could someone tell me > where to get a magic wand to sew everything together?>> The only part of the above that I DON'T love is the fitting. I truly, truly enjoy sewing. I do get impatient toward the end of the finishing up stage first. For my own costumes, I've started sewing by hand , mostly for authenticity, partly because it forces me to slow down and really savor the process. coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it > was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or > occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do.>> Nope. I rent my house, and my husband hates cats. Besides, I have a cockatiel and an African grey parrot, and I would really prefer that they not become kitty kibble. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 07:01:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MB1qlx014169 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:01:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MB0vK7020307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:01:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MB0Whf063726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 05:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MB0Vv4006308; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MB0Pue006135 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.442.13f56b3 (39953) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:00:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <442.13f56b3.31a2f3b2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:00:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:01:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 447199E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/22/2006 5:13:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: we wondered if it was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. Oh, and I have a cat now, but did not always have one. Just the last 15 years or so. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 07:25:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBPH13016490 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:25:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MBPDeZ010508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBO5Wr066068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 05:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBO1GO030200; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBNvwC030046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0717150038 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07211-05-26 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C39D315005F for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <017901c67d92$307e0420$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:23:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Current projects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:25:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44719F99.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > Since nothing else is going on here, this may be a good time for people to > talk about their current costume/textile-related projects. Currently working on: 2 wedding dresses--one a simple "Irish Dress" in cotton, the other is an Italian gown, with chemise, undergown, and open-front overgown. The two bottom layers are linen (white and a gorgeous dark green), the overgown is a pretty burgundy that the bride purchased. For myself- restitching a few of the pearls on my velvet Gown of Doom so I can wear it to an event next Sunday, and I'm in the planning stages of a new dress for Pennsic. I have eight yards of ivory tropical weight wool, and I'm considering sleeves and forepart in either gold or navy silk. And the Evil Mentor to whom I am Minion showed me Saturday how to make spangles out of gold wire! I also have 25 yards of 3.5 oz linen to make underwear for Pennsic. The ultimate goal is underwear equaling number of days at event +1, but I won't quite be there by Pennsic. I promised my husband I would reduce what I'm taking thyis year, and I'm thinking along the lines of "all my underwear and four-five gowns". I also need hats and veils. Busy busy busy! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 08:00:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MC0AVp022875 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:00:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MC068D015721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:00:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBxfkU072124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 05:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBxZKT066404; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBxJV0066198 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so1653904pya for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:59:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iZboKYXrJ/tVmMqWjIT1y4g4qY6dcbDg0h3mIlgI6s+zkJvbGUc86Iq4C9mPg7xmeyFvED4zasWlA4qo0KNStERS2BTl6n+OjNzIxeJrHeI9MvIlzwbD20aodszCfZwSwxdVEhDwGCNFdnGredbDD7m4iRPCJusK6yfLN0C3tBE= Received: by 10.35.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr3276737pyl; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.8 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 04:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070605220459q214f892p81f4e024873d5417@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:59:18 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Current projects In-Reply-To: <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4MBxJV0066198 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4471A7C6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My current project is an 1880's ball dress. I've wanted to make one for years, and finally there is an 1880's ball on the schedule. I have been trying to decide what year of the 1880's I want to emulate. I only have two weeks until the ball so I need to get working this week. I will probably use a pattern from Janet Arnold to start with. I've made a webpage with inspiration for the ball-goers: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1880e.html I am leaning towards something like the first big color picture. Probably in pink because I just can't find a blue I like in the right weave. A friend sent me the cutest wire bustle: http://rivercrossinginc.tripod.com/corset.html It looks really close to the original. I will probably make the gown to fit over this bustle so will emulate an 1883-84 line. Petticoats and chemise are on the schedule for this week. And one last fabric foray to the local home dec store with silks to-die-for. Katy On 5/22/06, Althea Turner wrote: > I'm working on a new gown to go under my surcoat. It's at the bottom > of the page. > http://www.alfalfapress.com/sca/costume_projects.html > > I'm almost done finishing the seams on the inside and will move to > embroidering over the seams on the outside, then I can start > embroidering the collar band. > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > reasons behind things." > William of Conches, 12th century > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 08:44:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MCihrT024430 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:44:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MCidOX013957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:44:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MCho7O084397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 06:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MChkUT014800; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:43:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.217]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MChguM014651 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 85107 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2006 12:43:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sT8fQqmFKcqWq2oHquXK+yAPV1US8SkFg+OkH6nKqEfnVFVqjhW6rA6v8mGgv/+8rwjxFVxGc+bXAdJj3FguId4uLdhfUzBJrvnzPj+/CAPZEcUDCWM7lw/8V4nMTOraCxGlyejrbprFHyUKXfRNeWhoKM4q/ICegT3pOHC8y7s= ; Message-ID: <20060522124336.85105.qmail@web27513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.117.6] by web27513.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:43:36 BST Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:43:36 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: When and how did you start making costumes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:44:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4471B237.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I learnt to sew when I was twenty-ish, by going to Adult Education classes, because I was unemployed, and wanted to fill a bit of the void (plus Employment Services paid for the course!). I started costuming a couple of years ago, as it was more fun than making everyday clothes for my daughter. My current project is my first serious attempt at making costumes. You can see what the mess I am making on-line at http://photos.yahoo.com/dresspattern. Only the muslin of the bodice at the moment (skirt is in progress!), but I hope to get on with it soon - small child permitting!! All the best! Jayne Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 09:12:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDCwMS025189 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:12:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MDCsTB016161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:12:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDCYEV096425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDCXe8044489; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDCTEl044367 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m21.in-tch.com [216.166.191.21]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4MD2Z203111 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:02:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000f01c67da2$6cdaf260$15bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com><001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:19:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:12:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4471B8D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hmm...interesting topic! My mom used to say that I was trying to make things when I was a toddler. I know that by the time I was 5 or so, I was only really happy if I was "making," as we called it, or reading. But it wasn't sewing or embroidery until I was 9 or so. Started embroidery in Girl Scouts, and a couple of years later, learned to sew in 4-H (which is a club for farm kids, or was, when I was growing up). I got very ambitious right away with what I thought I could do, and normally did do--green velvet miniskirt that first year, and not a bad job. Did ordinary clothes sewing for myself throughout high school, and played with embroidery (mostly needlepoint and crewel work) and quilting. I don't know that I made many clothes for dolls for my own purposes, but for a few years, I did churn out a LOT of clothes for my little sister's Cabbage Patch dolls. I was pretty much all self-taught, as my mom was *not* a sewer, and the nearest relative who had done things like that lived 2000 miles away and had died in 1971 (my grandfather). It wasn't until I was looking for a job during college that I ever made a "costume," let alone, a historical one. Got a job in the costume shop of the drama/dance department. Graduated. Ended up with a job as an alterations and repair person at a dry-cleaners. Went back to school after a couple of years of that. Worked in the costume shop, and while there, got introduced to the SCA, finished school and then spent 7 years wrecking my hands as a professional tent/tipi/awning/outfitters' products sewer. The rest is history....;o) I think that last job did a fair bit towards eventually ruining my fondness for working with a sewing machine. As it is now, the actual sewing bit is my least favorite part of making garb. I'd much rather do the research and planning.... Of course, I still gotta read and still gotta keep my hands busy to be happy, but these days, it's fine sewing/embroidery (I have a passion for various kinds of monochrome embroidery), or other textile arts (spinning, knitting, weaving). --Sue in Montana, who does have 4 cats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:12 AM Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? > > In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to > talking about when we started sewing. One friend is a re-enactor, > the other a former wardrobe mistress for the National Theatre among > other things. Both of them had started very early, making clothes for > themselves and for dolls. And they did it for pleasure! (And I am a > professional costume maker.) > > Now I never made clothes for dolls that I remember. As a teenager I > occasionally, and very badly, made the odd skirt or blouse for > myself. I started work in the maintenance wardrobe of the RSC at 24, > and the first serious making I did was in a rep company a couple of > years later when I found it was part of my job as a wardrobe mistress > to make the pantomime costumes. (I hate pantomime!) I got out of that > very quickly, and went back to maintenance, eventually got married, > had a son, and went to college as a mature student of 40 to learn to > cut and make costumes. I discovered I was good enough never to have > been out of work since I left college 20 mumble years ago. > > But I still hate sewing up the costumes! I love the working out of > what the customer wants, the choosing of the fabrics, the making of > the patterns and cutting them out, (skip the next bit - the sewing > up) love hand finishing, trimming, and fitting. But please could > someone tell me where to get a magic wand to sew everything together? > > Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it > was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted > amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. > > Suzi (about to sew the 5th Mary Queen of Scots costume, and putting it off!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 09:38:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDc29U025681 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:38:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MDbwjY028486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDbjuU002027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 07:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDbhTR070386; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MDbcJN070284 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pmKsGGrhqcQIZJ25p/YVPOiUS+v1BhecdC5VVjYk8FmNUR4chL5fdUdkhlSTxoZk; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.47] (helo=boris) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FiAbJ-0005OT-MA for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:37:37 -0400 Message-ID: <022301c67da5$05855da0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com><001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I come from a family of sewers. My paternal great-grandmother was a dressmaker. She literally could copy anything she saw, including most types of lace. I inherited many of her tools and a ton of handmade lace and lace samples, which I used on my own wedding dress, and my niece's christening dress. My maternal great-grandmother was the one who first taught me to sew, when I was 4. I learned to machine sew by sitting on her lap while she ran the pedal of the treadle sewing machine and helped me learn to manipulate the fabric. I made doll clothes all through my childhood, preferring to dress the dolls rather than actually playing with them. My mother made all my school clothes until I was about 12 or so, and I helped her with many of them, which is probably why to this day I hate stroking gathers. When I was 13 I was signed out of the manditory sewing class because my mother refused to have me make the required projects (a gathered half-apron and a tote bag) since they had to be done at the pace of the rest of the class, and she considered that a waste of my time. The summer I was 14 I had my first real paying job sewing costumes for a summer stock production of Pirates of Penzance. I worked for that theater company for the next 7 summers, and also did high school drama productions. I worked just about every tech job there was, and acted a bit, usually as a singer/dancer, but I always worked on the costumes. I started historical reenactment when I was 17, and of course costuming was a big draw. As an adult, I've worked as an alterations seamstress (yuk!), had my own business producing accessories and children's clothes, line production sewing for a ski clothing manufacturer, sewing instructor, patternmaking and production sewing for an airplane manufacturer, and currently I'm making costumes, mostly reenactment costumes, free-lance. I do costumes for a community theater group when they have a period piece and can afford me, but I'm mostly working for 2 private clients with seemingly inexhaustable costuming needs. I'm entirely self-taught, with my grandmothers and my first theater director being my greatest mentors. I would like to take a few classes, fashion drawing and some advanced patternmaking would be good, but I can't find any locally that won't require me to take an entire course, which I can't afford and don't have time for. Oh, and I do have a cat, but I haven't always, and have had dogs in the past, and will again when we find the right puppy. My current cat has a silk fetish, and so is banished from the sewing room, since he insists on dragging any silk fabric around the house with his teeth. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 10:03:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ME37TY026116 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:03:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ME330e004850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:03:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ME2Ggq005269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ME2DrI095693; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ME280V095534 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with SMTP id <0IZO00HA76YSHM20@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:01:40 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? In-reply-to: <000f01c67da2$6cdaf260$15bfa6d8@pavilion> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4471C497.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wow-- someone else had a Babette doll. Cool. I started sewing when I inherited my great aunt's sewing machine. No one else wanted it, but I sure did! I started making clothes for my Babette doll by hand, and "graduated" when I got the machine to using the sewing machine. I found a length of cloth in the seat of the bench and decided to make a dress of "an old fashioned girl"-- a bustle style dress. It was a disaster, but I kept going, undiscouraged by the failure. I made dresses for my mom and myself. I still get teased about using ric-rack as trim down the length of a sleeve. (I cut the sleeve wrong and needed to cover it up.) Then I decided to give a Halloween party and decided to do as Scarlett O'Hara, because the movie had been re-released and it had impressed me a lot. The costume was pretty elaborate and was the duplicate of the sketch in the pattern envelope. I think I was 16 at the time. I continued to make costumes and clothes through high school and became a Theatre major. Ended up loving the Technical stuff because I HATED learning lines. In Grad school I also majored in Theatre/ Costume. I did theatre costumes for 6 years, moved to Long Island and needed a "real" job, so I got hired to design swimwear. Twenty four years later, my design job went off shore and I got a job teaching fashion in a college where I teach sewing, among other things. Belonging to the SCA fills my costuming "need" -- Elizabethan and Florentine clothing of the 16th C. are my specialties. My husband and I have dogs (Westies) at our house, who like to "butt test" the fabric when it gets laid on the floor. Regards to all- Monica Spence _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 10:42:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEgORw026519 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:42:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MEgKsF004785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEfr1n009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEfic1036340; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEfKnu036019 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.43.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.43] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FiBax-0000ei-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4471DB78.7000201@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:40:40 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] quick info needed References: <20060522041600.46789.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4471CDCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: > Can anybody tell me how many yards it will take to > make a ruff for a man with a 16" neck? It depends on how wide and deep the ruff will be. For a relatively narrow ruff (say 2-3" wide from neck to outer edge) that will be 2" or less from top to bottom, you probably won't need more than 5 yards. I never use more than 4 yards for mine, and they're about that size (though my neck of course is more like 14 or 14 1/2"). Wrist ruffs take much less, of course, so I think 25 yards is a gracious plenty unless you mean to make really large ruffs. Melanie Schuessler http://www.faucet.net/costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 10:56:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEum5E026660 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:56:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MEu4ng022082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:56:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M9D5ao050593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 03:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4M9D5rh091798; Mon, 22 May 2006 03:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4M9CEGm090774 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 03:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 4681 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 09:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.36.98 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 09:12:08 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522095734.01e37258@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:00:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:56:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4471D104.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:13 22/05/2006, you wrote: >You're lucky. It's cold and very wet in the UK (and I have my first >camping event of the season next weekend!) >I've been too busy with domestic problems to do any dressmaking this >year. I have a query, though. > >I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) >and have found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to >store such things in acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what >kind of shops sell such paper. Any suggestions? > >Kate Bunting >Librarian and 17th century reenactor John Lewis in London used to sell it (in small packets) in their haberdashery department - they may still do so. Mine came through a museum contact of mine, (but it was a huge packet!) You could try asking your local museum? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:02:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF2Z3e026733 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MF2VXS014152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:02:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF1xhM012620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:01:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF1vG7057992; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF1rII057806 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:01:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9745DA6D19 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:01:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4471D262.60002@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:01:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO My story is much like everyone else's. Mom sewed, came from a large farm family where grandma made everything from the underwear out. I learned to sew around the time I stopped putting things into my mouth. By 6 or 7 I was making doll clothes and quilts for them. Did home ec and high school theatre, but not the clothing or costuming. Didn't have much use for sewing as I got older, until the college theatre group made us responsible for our own costumes and I made a dress from a 1959 thrift shop pattern. Then there was the SCA. Quilted for a long time, too, until that got to be too trendy. Took up dance so I could play with sequins. The last ten years or so I've been experimenting with a wide variety of historical and fantasy costumes. Lately the research has interested me more than the design or the sewing or the wearing. I'm currently working on a ren-fest rush job for this weekend. I discovered a few years ago that the same people who laughed at my sewing hobby in school are now willing to pay me.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:09:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF94BA026807 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:09:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MF90mi031972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:09:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF8fIu013546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF8a9K065444; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBXSFq039939 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k4MBXMr15647.; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:33:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:33:22 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:33:01 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I hate sewing, though I quite enjoy embroidery and knitting. My Mum hated it too, and I got little help or encouragement from needlework classes at school. I used to make clothes for teenage dolls, but they were very crude and amateurish. I've made a few garments for myself, but mostly on odd occasions that I've really wanted a particular style that I couldn't buy ready-made. I love reenactment, but I make the costumes in order to pursue the hobby rather than the other way round, and because I want something better than the "mass-produced" kit sold by traders at events. I've never had a cat; I keep dwarf hamsters because (apart from being cute) they can look after themselves for a night or two when I'm away at weekend events. I hope to get a dog when I have more spare time! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:10:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFAJR6026820 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:10:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFAFl0017510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF9gJb013693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MF9eVY066643; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MC7NbM074638 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 06:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so1656052pya for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:07:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UzY/7Q3LshG+VGdT5INQ4/r5yQ1LP7I2GHORqn8t5QB2xjVIOnpv6dV7XdqVp9dzdpuGf6eZVgM8J2ICQhqTl1St7muDFneKZ2SNRdfzmBSWU1qnpJPpzsxrje6I/3P5UySJ7NkVRZHEmASfdBWJTPcwDdfkJuCOmKzWIsYQqHA= Received: by 10.35.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr3285713pyl; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.8 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 05:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070605220507l20044235kb633d2001c187f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:07:21 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO I did a google search (acid free tissue uk) and came up with this UK supplier among others: http://www.conservation-by-design.co.uk/papers/papers26.html Katy On 5/22/06, Kate M Bunting wrote: > You're lucky. It's cold and very wet in the UK (and I have my first camping event of the season next weekend!) > I've been too busy with domestic problems to do any dressmaking this year. I have a query, though. > > I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) and have found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to store such things in acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what kind of shops sell such paper. Any suggestions? > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >>> cathy@thyrsus.com 20/05/2006 20:31 >>> > > No, but I can just imagine. Heck, I have a hard time working up the interest > to do my *own* hemming when the weather is this good. :-) > > > -- > Cathy "heading to a cookout tonight" Raymond > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:11:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFBS2i026837 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:11:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFBPYg018012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFBBH6013960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFB8cG068375; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net (eastrmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MD1cJR034227 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060522130132.HIGF9931.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:01:32 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO The "magic wand" is called a sewing machine (evil grin) >Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it >was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted >amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. Ah, yes! They provide quality control, doncha know! >Suzi (about to sew the 5th Mary Queen of Scots costume, and putting it off!) Now, get back to work!! (snap of virtual whip). You have LESS than five weeks!!!!!! Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4MFCpmN026862 Status: RO >Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. >Suzi (about to sew the 5th Mary Queen of Scots costume, and putting it off!) Sadly, I don't have cats due to the hubby being deathly allergic. But I wish I did! Natalie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:16:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFGYhg026923 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:16:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFGT5J013460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFGGo7014800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFGEbD073847; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ME3eJ8097272 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FC8401A6 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:03:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060522070340.4A87E2F9@resin02.mta.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:03:40 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO <<>> I grew up in a home with a parrot and cats. Trust me, the cats are the ones most likely to become kibble. Sorry about your husband - he doesn't know what great pets cats can be. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- goofy1@suscom.net wrote: From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:53:21 -0400 _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:17:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFHwk5026946 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:17:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFHsVo020677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFHdYI015076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:17:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFHcJ1075451; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEjjSK040505 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm27.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8212B407DB for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm27 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060522074545.5C8CC8D5@resin02.mta.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:45:45 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I started sewing when I was about five. My mother made handkerchiefs for my father and she would give me one to hem. I remember sitting there trying to make tiny little stitches, and failing. However, my father was a love and used them anyhow. Mother had a treadle Singer (we didn't have electricity at the time), and as soon as I could reach the treadle I started sewing doll clothes on it. I quickly found they were easier to do by hand. My first dress was actually a pinafore of white pique with little blue flowers. It had a ruffle around the hem and ruffles on the straps over the shoulders. And I was sooo proud of it. I loved to sew until I took home ec in the 10th grade. After that horrible experience I didn't sew for several years. In college I went back to it because I couldn't afford to buy formals. And I have been sewing ever since. I even made a living being a seamstress for several years, but hated the alterations and finally quit that. Costumes - ah yes, I made costumes for Halloween and then did the entire cast of a period play in college. That was a blast! I made costumes for friends and their kids off and on for years. Then I joined a Star Trek group and made Star Trek uniforms for most of the "crew". Science Fiction conventions required costumes for me and for friends. Then I joined SCA and really got into some serious research. Most of my period costumes are made by hand for authenticity and because I have learned to enjoy doing the hand work now that I am retired and have the time. I enjoy the research, design, finding just the right fabric and trim, and the sewing. I don't really like the cutting out because it is boring and makes my hands hurt. I have a closet full of hand made costumes, and ended up buying three pairs of slacks to take on a trip last month. I must get around to making myself some modern clothes one of these days. Cats - oh yes! Somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty or so. I seem to be the favorite place for everyone to palm off their unwanted cats and kittens (or cats about to have kittens). But I love them and they have an acre of land (and the woods on three sides) to wander in. I have them spayed or neutered so they don't continue to reproduce unwanted kittens, and they get their shots annually. Every month I take two or three to the vet for check-ups and shots. They also have their own door so the can come and go as they please. The only rooms off limits are the guest room and the sewing room. They can get in way too much trouble in the sewing room, and I like to keep the guest room for guests who may or may not be in love with cats. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- suzi@suziclarke.co.uk wrote: From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Cc: Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:12:04 +0100 In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to talking about when we started sewing. One friend is a re-enactor, the other a former wardrobe mistress for the National Theatre among other things. Both of them had started very early, making clothes for themselves and for dolls. And they did it for pleasure! (And I am a professional costume maker.) Now I never made clothes for dolls that I remember. As a teenager I occasionally, and very badly, made the odd skirt or blouse for myself. I started work in the maintenance wardrobe of the RSC at 24, and the first serious making I did was in a rep company a couple of years later when I found it was part of my job as a wardrobe mistress to make the pantomime costumes. (I hate pantomime!) I got out of that very quickly, and went back to maintenance, eventually got married, had a son, and went to college as a mature student of 40 to learn to cut and make costumes. I discovered I was good enough never to have been out of work since I left college 20 mumble years ago. But I still hate sewing up the costumes! I love the working out of what the customer wants, the choosing of the fabrics, the making of the patterns and cutting them out, (skip the next bit - the sewing up) love hand finishing, trimming, and fitting. But please could someone tell me where to get a magic wand to sew everything together? Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. Suzi (about to sew the 5th Mary Queen of Scots costume, and putting it off!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:19:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFJVVt026970 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:19:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFJRZR014509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:19:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFJB67015391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFJ6Xb077124; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MF4RQh060505 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCHDWYYAHMJENS for (sender ); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQYYY6UH; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:03:05 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 07:43:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO > > In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to > talking > > about when we started sewing. When I first joined the SCA, I made some rudimentary costumes but never particularly enjoyed it. What I enjoy tremendously is embroidery and embellishment, which started when I was looking to learn a handcraft that wasn't hard on my arthritic hands. A friend taught me blackwork, which rocks! Since then, the arthritis has gotten a lot better with treatment, and I keep learning more medieval forms of embroidery. I also create the vast majority of my designs. Plus I have pals who love to costume, and are darned good at it. And two cats who have learned that Mama's silk threads are nothing to tamper with. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:39:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFdOk2027112 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:39:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFdKRP023154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:39:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFclue018538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFcjdg098503; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (mxo6.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFcgaF098334 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44622E009B for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200605221514.k4MFEScs071928@net.indra.com> References: <200605221514.k4MFEScs071928@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38:25 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Current projects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:39:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4471DB28.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi I too have this bundle of 25 yds of linen staring at me...I'm starting small with an 18th cent cap while carefully figguring and measuring cuts for the underclothes--2 sets per weekend x 2 people x 3-4 Eras... Hey at least I'll be savin on gas by being home and sewing like a mad monkey! And then the stays construction resumes... Oh and this is also a cat free household--large Psittacines = cats, yum! (and that is the evil Cockatoo talking!) and then there are the whippets. Ta Carol, hey do the neighbors strays that live in the barn count? They bring new meaning to the term wild cat! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 11:55:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFtwLD027249 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:55:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MFtsqY029580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:55:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFtdja021159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 09:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFtXBD016628; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MFtLDI016267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4MFtBT8043318 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:55:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:55:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <30095.65.117.156.5.1148313311.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:55:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I started sewing around age 4, well, actually, that is not entirely true. I was knitting at age 4. Not my idea, it was Mom actually. She was pregnant with my baby sister and was exasperated with my energy level one day and handed me her knitting. Not only did I stop talking and moving, which pleased her to no end, I sat down and tried to knit. This is her story, she is sticking to it. I do have a memory of this but in my memory I sat down on a chair and pretended to do what she was doing. I would not call it knitting. She did teach me how to do it and I did help her finish my baby sister's blanket. After that she started to tell everyone what I was doing and Grandmother got into the gig. She started me on sewing together quilt squares for her when I was over at her place. Next sewing gig, Kindergarten. The nuns were from France and made us make our own little white gloves. I finished mine first while the other struggled to thread the needles. Shakes head. God would they ever get in trouble today if they handed kindergartners needles. These are not the gloves that we use with fourchettes and bolton thumbs. We cut a long strip and went from the outside of the glove, over the thumb, between the fingers, and terminated it at the pinky. We basically traced our hands on paper and like a cartoon looking hand and cut that out of that strange knit fabric you do not see around anymore. They were stretchy. That hooked me on to gloves and I still make them today. I am pair number 3 on my list this week and hope to be done by thursday. I have to ship one pair off and hand the other two off this weekend to a couple of really cool buddies. When I was home with Grandma I had dogs and cats. When I went off to college I have always had cats. After I got married we had a dog for a day. He eat a hole in the fence and we gave him back the next day. I like making elizabethan costumes on occasion, Italians however are my passion and when I find a really good one specifically from Sienna I make it. Flemish intreges me and I may try that some day ... when I am caught up on gloves that is. ;) Chiara On Mon, May 22, 2006 4:12 am, Suzi Clarke said: > > In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to > talking about when we started sewing. > > Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it > was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted > amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. > > Suzi (about to sew the 5th Mary Queen of Scots costume, and putting > it off!) > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 12:05:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MG5Hsx027397 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:05:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MG5BgA005996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MG4tRP022572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 10:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MG4pMA027391; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MG4kSe027128 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:04:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83271 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2006 16:04:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iyWZ3Jopt007VaQzgcUZd2Lo55d6yYgfsBYbJ7TmE527e4mW2UvxAQafQT06L+hcmtUwn2ftXFTCZiZ7TAGsco+EDztoBp+OqLo0Aq29RSZGkFuAjlPMhPZPqB4uGSO+LtqA+yLV+kPHeJY0MSgOX6zSY4av55PjSlhWnaQfPoI= ; Message-ID: <20060522160441.83269.qmail@web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35615.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:04:41 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605221018.k4MAHwYl062494@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: When and how did you start making costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:05:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4471E137.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I remember from a young age having a "dress-up" closet made up of less than perfect vintage clothes my mother had picked up at the second hand store. There was one very yellow gown made of either silk or satin with a tulle overskirt and lace over the bodice that I remember well. So I guess I was interested in costume early on. My mother also made my costumes for ballet recitals, horse shows and halloween as well as some every day clothes, so she helped start my interest in sewing and making costumes. I used to make crude doll clothes, and as it was the fashion at the time, crochet ponchos for my barbie dolls out of doilies. My mom was just beginning to teach me to machine sew when she died so I am mostly self taught, scorning Home-Ec class to take drafting, and wood and metal shop. I've dabble in costume somewhat, even had a load of fun designing the set and costumes for a theoretical production of "Much Ado About Nothing" for a class in college, but it is only recently that I have gotten really interested in doing truely accurate period costume. And I have 4 cats, 2 horses, 2 gold fish and 1 dog. The cats provide way too much "supervision" and quality control. Annette M --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 13:26:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHQxma028737 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:26:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MHQtEK017236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:26:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHQJJv034908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHPvn4015152; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHPrlq014935 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.38d.37bfb1f (3948) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <38d.37bfb1f.31a34e14@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: I started making clothes for my Babette doll I dressed Babette as the Empress Josephine in her coronation gown for a high school class and she still wears that to this day, 35 years later. For the record, I think Babette has a prettier face than the original Barbie. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 13:31:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHVFNG028806 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:31:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MHVBJ2018824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:31:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHUeVD035565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHUSY8019421; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:30:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHUHud019240 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:30:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MHU7pZ018467 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ac01c67dc5$5d7d9b60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I started sewing when I was 5. My gran sewed clothing and made quilts. I remember sitting on the floor watching the wheel spin on her treadle sewing machine. I kept on sewing, making my own halloween costumes. I, too, became interested in Star Trek and made several costumes for aliens to wear. :-) I made my wedding gown on a treadle machine. It was the only one that I had at the time. Unfortunately, it wasn't my gran's machine. It apparently went to charity when they moved to a smaller house in 1970. In addition to the beautiful treadle that I bought at a yard sale, I have a very old Viking (the first "computerized" machine), an old JC Penney machine, an old Singer in a bent wood case, a Euro-Pro basic machine and a little battery operated machine that goes with me to events (in case of a major clothing malfunction!). In 1990 I attended my first SCA event and the costume bug bit hard! Sixteenth century Florentine is my passion. I love how I feel when I wear one of my gowns. Lately, though, I've taken to wearing the Greenland-style gowns. They're easier for me to maneuver around in. Oh - I do have cats and have had since I was 6. :-) kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 13:37:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHbIRu028895 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:37:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MHbE6N006397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:37:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHb0kp036351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHaqif025701; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHaim7025566 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so217089nfc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RuvxbRv3wIEdVq/UJW1A/piC+aAtqTFpPUofLP5cgJMmyf/UPeSTl8BMUVEGQP9AkB2YtXZCI/h37De1/hmsDv31D/YkQKiFhBLqWuoz1i90vlL7Bm2buqgoJ2ao+EzBCY4JE6VrOBQPI5VwyPafdG8gq0lsQzcoQgyeIx6AEhY= Received: by 10.49.71.16 with SMTP id y16mr3979222nfk; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.17 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605221036l27444afcka4c6a61e0d2b1158@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:36:43 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: When and how did you start making costume? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4MHbIRu028895 Status: RO Hmmm... the first memory I have is with one of those little plastic child-size Singer machines with a real needle, and playing with that. I must have been about 6 at that point. As a child, my parents were convinced that I'd become a fashion designer, as I'd take old shower curtains and other fabrics and turn them into costumes. My grandmother would help me out as a child, when I spent summers with her in the Midwest. In middle school and high school I did make a number of my own outfits... skirts and dresses that I actually wore. In my early 20's I took a design course at Wash. U. where I learned how to create a flat pattern from a sloper. I made a French Maid's costume one year for Halloween... I used a pattern, but did all the sewing entirely by hand. When I got married, I made my own wedding dress, since I wanted silk, and simple, and didn't see anything I liked that I could afford. My sewing has been a bit sporadic over the years, as I like to do a number of different things with my hands. I like ceramics, painting, gardening, and sewing (both machine and hand). At the moment, I'm working on an 18th century pair of stays. This past fall I found some fabric at a church flea market, that I thought would make a nice 18th century outfit, which I've wanted to do for a long time. I'm still working on the quilted petticoat, but have the gown done. I know it's not totally accurate, but I figure it's a first try and I can learn from what's wrong with it. I'm thinking that I may have to get into re-enacting just to have an excuse to wear all the stuff I'm making and want to make! Anyone know of any good groups in the Philadelphia area? Oh... I don't have any cats at the moment, but I'm definitely a cat person (and may end up adopting two stray kittens that have found a home in my mother's garage). Kristin On 5/22/06, Kahlara wrote: > > I remember from a young age having a "dress-up" closet made up of less > than perfect vintage clothes my mother had picked up at the second hand > store. There was one very yellow gown made of either silk or satin with a > tulle overskirt and lace over the bodice that I remember well. So I guess I > was interested in costume early on. > > My mother also made my costumes for ballet recitals, horse shows and > halloween as well as some every day clothes, so she helped start my interest > in sewing and making costumes. > > I used to make crude doll clothes, and as it was the fashion at the time, > crochet ponchos for my barbie dolls out of doilies. > > My mom was just beginning to teach me to machine sew when she died so I am > mostly self taught, scorning Home-Ec class to take drafting, and wood and > metal shop. > > I've dabble in costume somewhat, even had a load of fun designing the set > and costumes for a theoretical production of "Much Ado About Nothing" for a > class in college, but it is only recently that I have gotten really > interested in doing truely accurate period costume. > > And I have 4 cats, 2 horses, 2 gold fish and 1 dog. The cats provide way > too much "supervision" and quality control. > > Annette M > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 13:39:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHdhaA028934 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:39:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MHddvH007265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHccVC036593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHcWVC027460; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHcDx8027167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.102] (209-148-120-102.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4MHcAqj002033 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:38:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4471F704.7070909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:38:12 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Where did you learn to sew and what is your dress form wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4471F75B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I started sewing as a child, doing my father's mending and alterations. (My mother didn't sew much.) My father bought me an antique treadle machine because it was cheap, simple to operate, and hard to break. He also taught me what I knew about sewing at that point in my life. I took Home Ec for two years in junior high, which taught me nothing, and almost turned me off sewing for life. I started collecting vintage clothes when I was in my teens. My parents were always going to country estate auctions--they collected Victorian furniture (and all kinds of other things). They encouraged me to have an interest in something antique, and were happy to buy me box lots of Victorian and Edwardian clothes, which were going cheap at the time. I taught myself how to clean, mend, and alter the clothes, though I read a lot more about those techniques starting a few years later. I really got interested in sewing in my last two years of high school. I wanted to make clothes that were interesting and different (also ones that fit, since I'm 4'9"). I designed my own clothes by drawing around basic ones I owned and winging it from there. Sometimes my designs worked, but often they didn't. Which was frustrating, and made me realize I needed some formal training. I wasn't contemplating a career in clothing design--my parents wanted me to be an academic--but I managed to fit in almost all of both the clothing design and textile courses around my requirements as a history major. I took several beginning to advanced sewing courses, couture sewing and design, flat pattern work, drafting, weaving, and crochet. (My father bought me my first electric machine, a Sears Kenmore.) I did a lot of reading on clothing history--I'd done some when I was in high school, but got really serious about it when I was in college. I made a lot of my daily clothes, and they were as historically inspired as I could wear in modern life. But I wanted to make the real thing; which is how I got involved in reenactment type activities. First I wanted a place to wear the clothes, but husband and I soon took up historic dance (we'd previously been doing other types of dance). The other thing I'd been doing since childhood was writing. After I got my history degree I ended up with a career in publishing. (Although early in it I also completed a publishing program at another college, spending several years in night school.) I worked my way up from being an editorial assistant through being a project manager/senior editor, at various book and magazine publishers. I also wrote software manuals in Silicon Valley. Eventually I decided to start my own business. It was obvious that I should publish books on costuming, considering I'd been studying it almost all my life. Right now I'm doing something I haven't done in years--designing my daily clothes. I was only interested in "accurate" historic ones for a long time. Historic clothes got too outré for daily life as styles changed (although I remember when I could go into work as an editor wearing Ralph Lauren skirts with vintage Edwardian blouses and boots and huge repro hats). New petites lines made it easier to buy modern clothes RTW, and I wasn't interested in spending my time making simple things I could buy off the rack. But now, it's possible to look more interesting. So I've been working on a series of skirts made from vintage embroidered tablecloths. (More than I really need of course, but with me, the practical need for an item of clothing has never been the point.) I buy them on eBay, colored when I can, but I've bought a lot of sturdier ones white and dyed them. I'm doing draped and layered effects inspired by bustle dress styles, but updated, things I can wear in daily life. (At least, since I'm willing to be a little different.) I'm doing the designs by draping the tablecloth on a dress form till it looks good. There are a lot of interesting things you can do with a fancy tablecloth. I've also been making tops to go with them. Some are made from embroidered placemats or napkins that came with the tablecloths. The other thing I'm doing is, I bought dozens of T-shirts and tops in various styles from Dharma Trading. I've been doing a load of machine dyeing every week for months. I'm leaving a lot of them as is--my goal was partly to have one long-sleeved shirt, one short-sleeved shirt, one camisole or tank, and one pair of socks in every one of my favorite colors and shades. But some I'm decorating with bits of vintage lace and crochet, small yardage, medallions, doilies, collars and cuffs, in various more or less Victorian/Edwardian ways. I'm trying to use up things I've accumulated for years, which are otherwise not very usable, and not buy new. I try not to cut up the shirts, but sometimes I have to. I'm almost done with the dye lots, I have only five or six more loads/weeks to go. Three of those will be very light shades, so I can transfer colored Victorian fashion plates to them with transfer paper, and decorate from there. Although I’ve made historic clothing for my husband, I prefer not to do it for anyone but us two. When you make things for yourself, you can spend as much money and time as you want, and make exactly what you want. When you make things for other people, you’re always working with their constraints. I emphatically do not want a cat, or any kind of pet. I don’t want cat claws in my silks, or a puppy chewing up my library of rare publications. (Nor do I want a child—that would be even more destructive, as well as time consuming.) Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 13:45:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHjMaV029043 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:45:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MHjGs3006928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:45:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHiNbW037322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHi3e7032947; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHha4b032417 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so218296nfc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:43:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nv9REacHVg73j0+zV74BkSK41CKjCREs6c0WNAqBGb4jCuy6RoGGrWfF4uqfr4kLbCGmbPPxUh4kS777qJQVWAzfBk1CZ35AS1S3Ke/zgPUH3s0TSDnSqWZ2XLl6c9CumMflG7Bv3eBTANM+oS1DaWe26LG+EG00JNXjbCpmRLQ= Received: by 10.49.20.20 with SMTP id x20mr3985104nfi; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.215.9 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590605221043r548eedfid9dbba61469831b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:43:35 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4MHjMaV029043 Status: RO I starting hand sewing things when I was pretty young, pretty much taking fabric scraps from my mother's sewing room and making doll clothes, which lead to making dolls too because I didn't think I had enough. I didn't start regular sewing until I was nearly a teenager. What I remember most about the first thing I made was that I was working with left over's from one of my mom's projects, so I dodn't have quite enough to make the sleeves, unless I pieces the fabric together. My mom's comment when she saw what I'd done was "Good work" She had been taught to sew as a child from an aunt and had been sewing for all eight of her kids. She'd also spent a year or so working at a fabric store and was always put out with the people that believed that if the pattern said you had to have 5/8 inch buttons, you couldn't use 1/2 inch buttons instead. So my first solo project pleased her in that I didn't worry too much about what the pattern said, if I got a function top out of the process. I had gone on to sew mundane clothing through high school, did some sewing for my children when they were young. for a year or two I had taken up hand quilting, when I lived in Germany and didn't have a sewing machine available. Over the years I've sewed less and less mudane stuff, doing more costumes until I found the SCA, a reason to make lots and lots of costumes of different types. As I've gone on I sometimes sew for my granddaughter little dresses, more things for her to dress up in- like the baby blue satin and gold lame "elizabethan" last Christmas, when great with her roller blades... As to costume sewing I regularlly look for "garbie dolls", people who need costumes, but don't sew for whatever reason. Since they pay for the fabric, and sometimes for labor, I get to "feed" my habit without cost to myself. The last couple of years I've been researching 16th century dolls, so I have been making them and dressing them, which brings together many of the skills I've worked to delevop up to this point, since their clothing require the same forms and layers as regular people. And now I have my granddaughter for the summer, and I get to dress her for events too. She's a lot of fun in that she loves to dress up and play with dolls where her mother only did if other kids wanted to but it was never her favorite game. And I've only had cats inside with me the last five years or so, before that it was always dogs. I still have a dog, but the cats have taken over my house. I have a long hair black cat that believes silk is for her, especially the red-black shot I had draped on the sewing table, that showed her off beautifully. Then there's Quasimoto who not only lays on whatever I'm working on, he grabs at the cloth as it moves around. I swear he keeps it up, he's going to get his whiskers clipped, and it won't be intentional. As to the sewing itself, I guess I do live to sew at the machine, but after a car accident years ago I developed calcium on the spine and I can only do a couple of hours before it becomes extremely painful. So I've been doing more handsewing and embroidery in my nicy comfy lazy boy with my feet propped up. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 13:46:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHkJYl029058 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:46:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MHjv08025223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:46:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHjOM2037540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 11:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHjMEA034419; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:45:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from toq8-srv.bellnexxia.net (toq8.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MHhBZP031902 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([67.71.125.27]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060522171112.IUVV10262.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:11:12 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060522124406.00bc3960@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:10:58 -0400 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] re:1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:46:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4471F8D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Anne wrote: Based on the recent discussion of the split busk being invented in 1853, it seems I should use a wooden busk for this transitional corset. However, given the curve along CF, how is that going to work? (snip) Do you suppose you need a specially made curved busk? The pattern indicates the busk runs entirely top to bottom--16.5 inches on me. I am concerned that if I get a busk that long that I am going to have it poking me in the pubic bone when I sit down. (snip) Anne, I'm going to disagree with the earlier discussion you mentioned. Valerie Steele in her book "The Corset, A Cultural History" shows a fashion plate dated 1837 (page 42) which clearly shows a front separating busk. To my eyes and given the size the image is shown (about half size) it looks very, very much like the type of separating busks available to us today. In the "The History of Underclothes" Phillis and C. Willett Cunnington mention that by 1847 front fastening corsets are commonly advertised. That is not to say 1844 is still not a transitional period. It is and the wooden busk is also very common. The wooden busks can be carved and curved somewhat. I don't know about a busk that runs 16.5 inches! I was taught that the busk must fit the individual body - and I can't imagine a body that needs a busk that long unless the individual is over 6 feet tall (an "average" busk length is 12 inches - but this of course varies on short waisted or long waisted proportions). I was taught that the busk runs from the top of the corset to a spot that is comfortable when sitting on a hard flat chair or stool (at pubic bone area). If the corset busk is longer than that, sitting becomes very difficult and when you do sit, it pushes the bust upward in the extreme. Your bust should not be under your chin when you sit down. If the corset is to be longer than the busk, the lower portion of the corset is fastened with hooks and eyes, allowing it to be flexible for sitting. I hope this helps with your project somewhat. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:09:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MI9jNm029438 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MI9fKS016149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:09:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MI8WiB040800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MI85Mk055092; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MI7qBM054751 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941D2403CD for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060522110749.4A845596@resin04.mta.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:07:49 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I made a fashion doll (pre Barbie) a Marie Antoinett gown, complete with a wig made from cotton balls when I was in the ninth grade for a history project. Don't have a clue what happened to her though. We moved a lot. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: From: AnnBWass@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:25:40 EDT In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:03:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, monicaspence@optonline.net writes: I started making clothes for my Babette doll I dressed Babette as the Empress Josephine in her coronation gown for a high school class and she still wears that to this day, 35 years later. For the record, I think Babette has a prettier face than the original Barbie. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4MIGYRT029565 Status: RO Annette, We have 2 Paso Fino horses. I sew Parade stuff for them and us. I got into some historically oriented activities- volunteering at local sites- one is Rev War and one is Victorian. When possible, I ride sidesaddle in costume. What type of horses do you have? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 22, 2006, at 12:04 PM, Kahlara wrote: > I remember from a young age having a "dress-up" closet made up of less > than perfect vintage clothes my mother had picked up at the second > hand store. There was one very yellow gown made of either silk or > satin with a tulle overskirt and lace over the bodice that I remember > well. So I guess I was interested in costume early on. > > My mother also made my costumes for ballet recitals, horse shows and > halloween as well as some every day clothes, so she helped start my > interest in sewing and making costumes. > > I used to make crude doll clothes, and as it was the fashion at the > time, crochet ponchos for my barbie dolls out of doilies. > > My mom was just beginning to teach me to machine sew when she died > so I am mostly self taught, scorning Home-Ec class to take drafting, > and wood and metal shop. > > I've dabble in costume somewhat, even had a load of fun designing > the set and costumes for a theoretical production of "Much Ado About > Nothing" for a class in college, but it is only recently that I have > gotten really interested in doing truely accurate period costume. > > And I have 4 cats, 2 horses, 2 gold fish and 1 dog. The cats provide > way too much "supervision" and quality control. > > Annette M > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:18:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIIfeQ029597 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:18:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MIIaUc000768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:18:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIIGFO042222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIHjlF064394; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:17:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIGTBn063090 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.225.4a006b8 (29672) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <225.4a006b8.31a359d9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:19:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: ended up buying three pairs of slacks to take on a trip last month. I must get around to making myself some modern clothes one of these days. But why waste your precious sewing time making what you can buy? And no way could I make a pair of lined wool slacks with fly front zipper as cheaply as I can buy them. Materials alone would probably be almost as much, and my time is worth SOMETHING! (As I'm not retired yet, I have to ration my sewing time!) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:23:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MINTmO029665 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:23:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MINPek021017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:23:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIN2dk042938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIMr0V069546; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIMSKK069021 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060522182233012005evt9e>; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:22:34 +0000 Message-ID: <447201E3.1080904@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:24:35 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO Alexandria Doyle wrote: > ...As to costume sewing I regularlly look for "garbie dolls", people > who need > costumes, but don't sew for whatever reason. Since they pay for the > fabric, > and sometimes for labor, I get to "feed" my habit without cost to myself. *snicker* I love it! Garbie dolls. I'll remember that one. :) I started sewing as a kind as well, don't remember how young. My birthday is Halloween, so, obviously, I was born with the costume bug. My mom would sew at the table and she taught me how to do hand stitches and work the machine. I don't have a machine these days; I do my work by hand because it always looks better and gets me in a Sewing-Zen sort of state. But I think I still have barbies with costumes on them. I vividly remember reading about Elizabethan corsets and using cardbord and masking tape to make poor barbie into the proper shape. I think my first real complete costume was a Jedi outfit. :D Marie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:32:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIWmpK029873 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:32:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MIWiCI004917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:32:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIWQI4043919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIWNZq077644; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIWDYQ077484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27986 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FiFCU-0005oE-VT for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:32:19 -0500 Message-ID: <00fa01c67dce$0c31c0c0$9000a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <5.1.1.6.2.20060522124406.00bc3960@pop8.sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re:1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:32:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:32:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447203CC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Without going downstairs to look at C&C for the exact date, the modern style of busk was invented in the late 1820s; 1828 sticks in my head. They didn't come into widespread use until the 1840s, but it's definitely not impossible to find them earlier. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:37:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIbxYg029987 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MIbtfW026135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIbKsq044463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIbDD5081504; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MIYTHJ079402 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 28130 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 18:27:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.36.98 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 18:27:44 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522191953.01e36af8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:27:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <870801590605221043r548eedfid9dbba61469831b6@mail.gmail.com > References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> <870801590605221043r548eedfid9dbba61469831b6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] In an ideal "sewing" world.............. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:37:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44720503.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The discussion about when and where you all started sewing seems to show me that I am, so far, the only one who has no childhood background of sewing. (I think this was because my mother, a brilliant seamstress, had no patience with my clumsy efforts, and as she was left handed, had problems teaching me. This is only a guess.) However, it leads me on to thinking about my ideal "sewing" (remember I hate making up clothes) situation. For a start I wish I had met my tutors twenty years later, and set up my business twenty years sooner. I would then have had a small workroom, with ladies who like "making up" to do the bits I don't enjoy. Then I could research, and make patterns and cut, and decide on fabrics to my heart's content. I might have to allow others to do some of the bits, but as the "boss" I get to choose what to do. (And I don't get to do the making up - oh dream on!!) Interestingly, I would still do what I do, only more so if I had a workroom, only I might have been sufficiently experienced to work in movies, or theatre, and not been dogged by deadlines if there was help. Any other daydreams? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:48:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MImeBd030597 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:48:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MImaSL009403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:48:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MImOg4046264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MImJFT091589; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MImAwI091339 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247af.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.175]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 907CA8A0046 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:47:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002e01c67dd0$46c4f3e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:48:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:48:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44720784.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) and have found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to store such things in acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what kind of shops sell such paper. Any suggestions? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor Hi Kate. Here in Denmark we have a nice shop that sells all kinds of papers for offices, and also arts papers. They carry the acid free tissue paper, so if you have a shop like that, try and ask them! You could also try some bookshops, perhaps? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:53:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIrVJ8030698 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:53:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MIrR4W014621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:53:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEg1sk009799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 08:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEg0dC036643; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MEftWx036552 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABB7810462; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:33:27 -0400 Message-ID: <4471CDA2.4030105@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:41:38 -0400 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:53:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447208A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello all! I am glad to see some discussion going again. To add to it I am still (very slowly) working on this corset. My next question for those who have made it before is about the busk. Based on the recent discussion of the split busk being invented in 1853, it seems I should use a wooden busk for this transitional corset. However, given the curve along CF, how is that going to work? Following the seam line exactly, the corset front is quite straight until just below the waist, where it suddenly curves inward ending just above my pubic bone (I hope that makes sense). Do you suppose you need a specially made curved busk? Can you short cut around this and either have the busk end before the lower curve or straighten out the seam line? Obviously that is going to change the line of the corset. The pattern indicates the busk runs entirely top to bottom--16.5 inches on me. I am concerned that if I get a busk that long that I am going to have it poking me in the pubic bone when I sit down. I already have this problem on my existing 1830s corset when I bend over to tie my shoe or cook. Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated and thanks in advance! Anne -- Anne Dealy adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 14:59:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIxrMp030816 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MIxn55003600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:59:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIxL2e048360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 12:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIx9DY002627; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MIwsg8002216 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:59:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 20152 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 18:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.36.98 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2006 18:58:47 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522195545.01e3e2a0@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:58:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? In-Reply-To: <225.4a006b8.31a359d9@aol.com> References: <225.4a006b8.31a359d9@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:59:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44720A25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:15 22/05/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:19:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: > >ended up buying three pairs of slacks to take on a trip last month. I must >get around to making myself some modern clothes one of these days. > > > > >But why waste your precious sewing time making what you can buy? And no way >could I make a pair of lined wool slacks with fly front zipper as cheaply as >I can buy them. Materials alone would probably be almost as much, and my >time is worth SOMETHING! (As I'm not retired yet, I have to >ration my sewing >time!) I almost never make for myself - 1. because I don't like to, and 2. as Ann says - why waste time sewing for yourself when you can buy cheaper (and in my case, probably better!) Also if I am making for myself, I am not making for other people, therefore I am not earning money. (And to anyone who suggests evenings or weekends - would you do your weekday job in the evenings and weekend as well as in the day? No way thank you!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 15:39:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJddQS031809 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:39:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MJdZCC029797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:39:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJckFF053570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJaqZk037128; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.209]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MJTgGm030786 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 77558 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 19:29:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > In discussion with a couple of friends at the weekend, we fell to > talking about when we started sewing. > (snipped) > Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it was > a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or > occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. I've been sewing since I was a little girl. My mom would let me sit on her lap in front of the sewing machine and "move" the fabric. I started making clothes for a teddy bear once I could use the machine (it had a knee-lever for power, so I did not have to reach the floor). I don't know how old I was, probably 7? I progressed to Barbie clothes and then clothes for a fancy European-made doll Mom got me (I think she got tired of finding dismembered Barbies around (the only way to get a regular blouse on a Barbie is to remove her head and her arms, stuff the arms in the sleeves (from the inside) pull the blouse and arms over her neck, and then reattach her head). Putting the arms back in the sockets was always annoying)). Dolls and teddybear alike had lots of costumes. Mom gave me a battered long pink floral silk scarf which I turned into a sari for Barbie. There was a contest at a local bank to make "international" costumes for dolls. I made several costumes for those dolls. The first garment I made for myself was a gathered-at-the-waist skirt, with a button, buttonhole, and zipper, and an interfaced waistband. I found Folkwear patterns after that and had fun making unusual clothes to wear. I made a Darth Vader costume in highschool (my friends and I were all 'under the influence' of Star wars). It was pretty cool. Then I got into science fiction fandom in college and started making lots of costumes. Most of them were from novels I had read and enjoyed. I would make historical costumes to wear for halloween. They were not very 'authentic' but people could mostly figure out who I was supposed to be. Now most of the costume sewing I do is for use in the SCA or to wear to work/school (I consider, for the purposes of this email, that any pre 1990 clothes or fantasy clothes I make to be costume). I did own cats, but that was only because I was not supposed to have ANY pets in the apartment and me and all my neighbors figured cats were easier to hide than dogs. Now I have a dog. Totally a dog person. Note: I do not dress my dog in costumes. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 15:43:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJhBrZ031934 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:43:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MJh7jE018002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:43:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJgrdX054160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJgmnC042255; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJgKb9041843 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so237637nfc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:42:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OPw0SdhJUH0onYI1O/ajnQAvSVngOYlUzjj7mAg/5evvz7U7vDD3asA+ZBIM0QDu53BI91l+PlvFKhg9LQ5eL4PMHgETa5jEq5fzpfzx0PJs6JKxLwr/06dHik1X/1g5p4iOjgwKay4j448GQ6j3Y40A/Z56xWYgbgWio+HZGt8= Received: by 10.49.71.16 with SMTP id y16mr4082626nfk; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.4 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0605221242y140442a0j296c326bd8f2d25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:42:18 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I started sewing when I joined the SCA. Before that, my mother would make me wonderful Halloween costumes, and I'd help her by sewing the straight seams on the machine, but that's about it. I never even made doll clothes, or anything of the kind before. But I LOVED historical clothing. Ever since I was a child I've loved dressing up, not in funny clothes, but in clothes of other cultures or of eras past. So, when I joined the SCA, sewing became the way to obtain the costumes I wanted. I think to this day I like "having made" something more than I like "making" it. I had to learn to make clothes without a pattern (thanks Kass - and her reconstructinghistory website), something my mother wouldn't do. I learned mostly by reading mailing lists and websites. I love thinking about projects, planning, researching, buying fabric and accessories, washing, preparing and ironing the fabric, but then I get stuck because I HATE HATE HATE marking, pinning and cutting. Sometimes a project will sit in a box for years before I start because I just can't bring myself to lay it out and cut. The sewing stage itself doesn't bother me. It's not something I enjoy doing, but I don't hate it either. Fitting doesn't bother me either, but fitting myself is kind of a hassle - I really have to get a dress dummy at some point. Then I get to the other part I love - hand-finishing. Hemming, finishing the inside seams, all of that. I also love cats, and used to have one (he'd find a squishy spot somewhere close by and sleep there while I worked - wonderful to have that kind of company) but I'm allergic and doubt I'll ever have another one. You're right though - when I think of it, all (or almost all) costumers I know have cats. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 15:53:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJrRLv032284 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:53:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MJrNdM021856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJr2KT056055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 13:53:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJqxtX051265; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJqq3x051160 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MJ6Ycb006570 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c67dd2$d714da30$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:05:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Yippee!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:53:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447216B3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My copy of Moda a Firenze arrived in today's mail!!! I'm so excited!! There are portraits that I've never seen in it AND there's a page-sized image of the portrait of Laudomia de Medici as well. Hurrah!! kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 16:19:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKJqlX000540 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:19:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MKJm0u032481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKI5xd060272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:18:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKHvHk075293; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKHlQF075109 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FiGqX-000PQy-8g for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:17:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:16:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I don't remember voluntarily sewing articles as a child. I remember making a toy rabbit at Brownies, and Binker embroidered mats at primary school, but I never made clothes for dolls or anything like that. My mother was a needlework teacher, so I learned the basics, and we had to do needlework for a year in high school. I think my mother did most of the dressmaking because she was quicker and better at it. It was only when I got into re-enactment that I saw a reason to sew for myself, and all that I had absorbed without noticing came out - and Mother was quite stunned at my readiness to make garments without a pattern! (only t-tunics etc, but it's a start.) I enjoy the making, and the wearing. Research is not really my scene. I hate cutting out, but once I get going on putting it together, and sitting gently hemming, I'm very happy. I wish I lived closer to someone who liked the other parts, and we coud share. Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 16:24:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKOeop000695 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:24:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MKOatI007156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKNuXp060949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKNnnv080324; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:23:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKNgqa080067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FiGwG-0001uI-Rm; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:23:40 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <20060522162340.j384b4nxkw48sc4k@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:23:40 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Costumers "helpers" (was Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > > In a message dated 5/22/2006 5:13:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > we wondered if it > was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted > amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. > 3. As to my Current Project? Finishing this Dissertation. *then* I'll get to the sewing .... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 16:42:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKgLi3001167 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MKgHFL013109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKfvRb062884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKfgdU095767; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MKfQpF095443 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.45d.1286f58 (14501) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <45d.1286f58.31a37bec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:41:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44722229.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:42:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com writes: I already have this problem on my existing 1830s corset when I bend over to tie my shoe or cook. **************** Put your shoes on first...then the corset. ...:-P Ok ok, I'm teasing. But remember, many corset wearers, in their period, had a fleet of servants. [There's a wonderful scene in "Little Dorrit" where, after having been in Debtor's Prison, but now out and with a fortune, Mr. Dorrit's coffee is cold. Amy, his daughter born in the prison and only knowing that life, picks up the tray to get more. "No no no!" says Mr. Dorrit, "Call someone! It is highly improper to do the servants work for them and make them feel we can dispense with any of their services at any time." ] Anyway, corsets restrict movement. As for sitting, it shouldn't bother you if you sit up straight. Ladies often just perch on the edge of the chair. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 17:02:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML2upm001706 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:02:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ML2q67024183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:02:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML2O37066024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML2Kt8015443; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML2Edm015269 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M2R7Y7ZCSGAKMCRB@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:01:14 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M2R7X5GTA89W49T8@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:00:23 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:01:57 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] quick info needed In-reply-to: <20060522041600.46789.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <447226C5.10707@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <20060522041600.46789.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:02:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447226FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: >Can anybody tell me how many yards it will take to >make a ruff for a man with a 16" neck? > >I think I found a deal on some lace trim, but I'm not >sure there will be enough for two ruff sets. There is >25 yds on the spool. Will that be enough for two ruff >and cuff sets? > > There's no quick answer to that. It depends on the style of ruff. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 17:07:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML7gxU001874 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ML7aOc017343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:07:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML7CY0066449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML6gLu019064; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ML4Gir017218 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A60FA3004D0; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:58:55 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO My husband wanted drop front trousers to wear at Dickens Fair, so we hit the fancy fabric store, and found, in the sale section, wool/silk material, which he says is "like buttah". And he sewed them HIMSELF! And then went on to make a frock coat. Pretty good when you consider he had only made a very simple shirt 20 years ago to wear to a Ren faire. I started sewing in high school, self taught, with horrible results, so I took a home ec class to learn the basics. Then majored in Tech theatre in college, so took the costume classes-History, Design, and Pattern Drafting. I made all my kids' Halloween and dress-up costumes. I've done some theatre costumes, but for the last few years, have been working on Renfaire costumes-Household and noble costumes for my daughter and myself, and Dickens fair costumes. Now my daughter has taken a sewing class, so she is sewing her own costumes- good because we also go to local "period/fantasy costume balls", for which she and her friends sew madly (usually until the wee hours of the night before). Right now I'm beading my noble dress. I have decided I hate beading. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:16 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? In a message dated 5/22/2006 11:19:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lalahcatlady@netscape.com writes: ended up buying three pairs of slacks to take on a trip last month. I must get around to making myself some modern clothes one of these days. But why waste your precious sewing time making what you can buy? And no way could I make a pair of lined wool slacks with fly front zipper as cheaply as I can buy them. Materials alone would probably be almost as much, and my time is worth SOMETHING! (As I'm not retired yet, I have to ration my sewing time!) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 17:34:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLYalZ002598 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:34:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MLYWk4024628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:34:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLXiKB069677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLXNP3041235; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net (jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLWmXf040729 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bone@peoplepc.com) Received: from 0-1pool93-181.nas99.washington1.dc.us.da.qwest.net ([65.136.93.181] helo=yourbes5v9ftq9) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FiI19-0006h7-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:32:47 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01c67de7$45255630$b55d8841@yourbes5v9ftq9> From: "Kathy Bone" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:32:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Biblical weaving X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:34:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44722E68.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4MLYalZ002598 Status: RO Does anyone here have information on the type of material and weave that was used during the ministry of Christ? I am particularly interested in finding out more about the robe of Jesus that is mentioned in John 19:23. I know one type article of clothing worn then was a khiton. However, this was Roman garb and I don't know if a Jewish peasant would have wore the same thing. If anyone has any info or references for finding out that you would like to share, I'd really appreciate it. TIA - Kathy bone@peoplepc.com "Mountaineers Are Always Free" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 17:45:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLjVkx002825 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:45:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MLjRNb028941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:45:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLicIb070772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 15:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MLiTBh050431; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MLiCT6050091 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 53813 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 21:37:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3zMDbkv/jLBW/1t4BOd15ozeqmrIoAaAbbUonBoKauk/chgWpGGAHozer5HwWBxlmmEfqEsmwIBbpMWuOYkw7Apu+1arRoXCbKGwfgaXm0dTdTy7OyT7L5UWUL6Na2RcBN0seLkTXX1wTc/co9lNwRxbd70/NxGVQIOe3Hb8YQ0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?70.27.127.33?) 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Status: RO Greetings! Although I did a fair bit of craft sewing, embroidery, and crochet from the time I was about eight, my first attempt at something historical-ish was in my senior year in high school, for my church's madrigal dinner. I was playing the head page who turns out to be an evil sorceress. So I made a sort of fancy tunic thing and put glitter in my hair. My next exposure--and first exposure to costume research--was for making some garments for the "human chessboard" my dorm used to do at the Ohio State Renaissance Fair. This is where I learned such important things as: the hole for the head in a tunic is lower in front than in back, and upholstery velvet is a b*tch to sew sometimes :-) The research consisted of going to the public library and looking at their one book on historical costume and deciding that "Byzantine" was the look I was going for. My first serious attempts came my first year in grad school, when I joined the SCA. Although my first garment was something I now refer to as the "Ostrogothic prom dress" (green taffeta bog-style gown), I "got better" fairly quickly, since being a history grad student did make me start glomming on to what was a good source and what wasn't fairly quickly. (The design of that first dress wasn't the issue--I just had no clue about fabric at the time....) But I think I have to trace my interest in historical clothing back to the sixth grade, when we did "Shakespeare in the Schools." I played Hamlet. Susan > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 18:28:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMSesR004130 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:28:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MMSaeY012010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 18:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMRvxo076808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMRdhn087575; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMRJwY087145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:28196 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FiIrh-0002iF-0F for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:27:06 -0500 Message-ID: <016401c67dee$d524e050$9000a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Current projects Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:26:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 18:28:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44723B15.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm about to start teaching myself goldwork. I've been doing embroidery since I was 7 or 8, so I'm hoping some of that will carry over, but it's a different enough technique that it all feels very new at the moment. Right now, I'm trying to figure out what widths and lengths I need for the project I have in mind... sigh. (One of those early 16thC Flemish hoods, which look like black half-circle veils with a gold edging along the front.) I _think_ I've at least managed to figure out which kinds of bullion, pearl purl, etc that I need, but despite my hoard of samples I'll probably only know for sure after I've wasted money on the wrong thing! Once I've gotten the hang of it with that, I'm going to work on decorating a gown in goldwork, using designs from some of the early 16thC pattern/modelbuchs, or possibly copying from Holbein paintings. I've just had my first MS attack, and am supposed to avoid physical and mental stress. Luckily, it's very easy on me physically and mentally to lie on the couch and sew by hand! =} -E "the glass is half full" House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 19:00:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MN06cD004917 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:00:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MN01JN022203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:00:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMw975080981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMw65M014974; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:58:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MMw19A014885 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SVnSmyHBc+1H6qvJEoUlk/GPlh/2UzE4J7i7l4AJljkzKr89sjJzTOmX1Im+DB5O; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.47] (helo=boris) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FiJLc-0000tP-Lf for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:58:00 -0400 Message-ID: <034c01c67df3$2cccebf0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1><30095.65.117.156.5.1148313311.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <44722F16.9070905@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO snip > My first serious attempts came my first year in grad school, when I joined > the SCA. Although my first garment was something I now refer to as the > "Ostrogothic prom dress" (green taffeta bog-style gown), I "got better" > fairly quickly, since being a history grad student did make me start > glomming on to what was a good source and what wasn't fairly quickly. (The > design of that first dress wasn't the issue--I just had no clue about > fabric at the time....) snip > Susan Oh, I love this description-----can I steal it? My first SCA dress was made of stretch panne velvet, in a fitted coathardie style. Again, the design wasn't half bad, I just didn't have the fabric sense I quickly gained. Strangely enough, that first dress, made 30 years ago, bore a strange resemblance to some of the costumes seen in the Lord of the Rings movies. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 19:09:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MN9YNa005167 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:09:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MN9UoN027412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:09:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MN9Be9082352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MN9Aqh024666; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MN97mx024607 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Qgzf0XKOPUOO89S70JIrLD6ZDwG7Ch3b10b9wUrGdIrxQblNk6czoHjtA1+Hr8TG; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.47] (helo=boris) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FiJWM-0004KC-Iq for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:09:06 -0400 Message-ID: <035101c67df4$b9c426d0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com><001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <016401c67dee$d524e050$9000a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Current projects Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:09:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48db7e0af87897964a1d4fc765d3f6721eac30c6e5e32ee181350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.6.47 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:09:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447244AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My current projects are: 2 17th cen. shirts, a turkish coat, and a doublet, all for a customer. The shirts need to be finished by Weds., I'd like to have the rest done by next week. A pair of "goat leggings" out of a microfibre "fur" that really does look like goat hair, and a "pirate" coat. These are for a second customer and need to be finished by June 1st. I have a late renaissance loose coat cut out for myself, that I'd like to have done by the first weekend in June, since I'm going to a SCA event by myself and only have back lacing corsets. I have also just recieved 5 yards of the fabric I want to use to decorate my studio. http://zandsfabrics.com/item.asp?cID=155&scID=233&PID=2359 , only with pink corsets. I'm also getting a pink and white, or pink, black and white stripe to go with it. My husband is rolling his eyes over the pink, but he's relieved that it's only going to be in the studio, not all over the house. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 19:55:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MNt79u006326 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:55:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4MNt32Y008328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MNsYYU087806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 17:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MNsWC5063704; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4MNsTEP063541 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCHEV2UABMD7HJ for (sender ); Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQZXBA4Q; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:52:54 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Current projects Message-ID: <20060522.165233.3880.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,7-14,16-21 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:3593959460 X-MAIL-INFO: 2b7d2114f52964294de5644d458420e420cdf0e4cdf1e07070edf161a0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgu+A6j2LDlnr6BeFvqDjhS8= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:55:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44724F57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Your post reminded me--I went to Powells yesterday and lucked into a re-issue of Jane Lemon's _Metal Thread Embroidery_ (ooooooaaaaaahhhhh). It's a trade paperback, gorgeous photos, $24.95 U.S. Not bad at all, considering the quality of the book. Published by B. T. Batsford, ISBN 0 7134 8926 X. Metal thread embroidery is one of those things I keep meaning to learn. Now I have no excuses. Good luck with the MS and the needlework! Arlys On Mon, 22 May 2006 17:26:52 -0500 "E House" writes: > I'm about to start teaching myself goldwork. I've been doing > embroidery > since I was 7 or 8, so I'm hoping some of that will carry over, but > it's a > different enough technique that it all feels very new at the moment. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 20:06:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N06Pl9006658 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:06:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N06L6t011738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:06:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N05Lxo088879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 18:05:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N04qtG072986; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N04l1e072920 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:04:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YXRg/Nb/YVeASqMoYcGL/xg67w22VsdUc6yFPNe0zniDzjevhOijzftNqgRiI1g/; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.6.47] (helo=boris) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FiKOE-0002H9-Ud for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:04:47 -0400 Message-ID: <037901c67dfc$8108dc70$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com><001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1><870801590605221043r548eedfid9dbba61469831b6@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522191953.01e36af8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] In an ideal "sewing" world.............. 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Status: RO My biggest daydream is to have someone to do the plain sewing. I love the designing, the research, the patterning and even the initial cutting and testing a garment. After I have it figured out, I don't want to do the sewing. I love the finishing, especially fine details, but I'd love to have someone to do the boring parts. I am actually looking into working with one of the local trade schools to have a student on an internship to do this. There are certain tax breaks for their wages, and some other benefits, as well as getting the work done. I think I might be able to swing this next year. Other than that, I want a bigger studio, or perhaps a separate room for the cutting, since my current studio handles the rest just fine. Oh, and the fibromyalgia and arthritis could go away, too. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 20:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0E9rt006845 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:14:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N0E3vp014384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:14:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0D9jD089669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 18:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0D8kS080093; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37909.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37909.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.124.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4N0D4mp079901 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86848 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2006 00:12:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C3fukXA54S4ZQoN8IJ6egr4rH+mFHaOViv+4hSsrdoB8QBtYUX7XH8f59jAdchKDbb9EBFMutrusfgZ+y+xQ3A0yYA8doWMr/+zQPizqmVVLtrZFpud0fhUF6oyZ6bx5bmkr9uG7/bLIrvXbC47EL/bvNhB+fNJZ5/mPzB4Cn0I= ; Message-ID: <20060523001259.86846.qmail@web37909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web37909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:12:59 PDT Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Galadriel Lothlorien To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605222042.k4MKfg4R095770@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: In an ideal "sewing" world.............. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447253CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The discussion about when and where you all started > sewing seems to > show me that I am, so far, the only one who has no > childhood > background of sewing. Add me into that figure. I was self-taught and started at about 19 years old when I wanted a Star Wars costume that wasn't crap, and didn't want to pay a lot of money because I didn't have it, so I made my own "Lady Han Solo" costume. That year I ended up making 4 Star Wars costumes, and after that, more Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and Jane Austen events just kept me going and going! Now I'm working on my graduate degree in costume technology. Go figure! I always wanted to be a scientist. You never know where you're going to end up. --Rachel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 20:32:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0WQK8007324 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:32:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N0WM88012021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:32:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0VcsO091948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 18:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0VZBo096186; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N0VOOf096026 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from janette@webone.com.au) Received: from 202-161-10-5.dyn.iinet.net.au ([202.161.10.5]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony4.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 23 May 2006 08:31:11 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,158,1146412800"; d="scan'208,59"; a="744376380:sNHT24248612" Received: by 202-161-10-5.dyn.iinet.net.au with Microsoft Mail id <01C67E54.379E1F20@202-161-10-5.dyn.iinet.net.au>; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:32:40 +1000 Message-ID: <01C67E54.379E1F20@202-161-10-5.dyn.iinet.net.au> From: Janette Humphrey To: "'h-costume@indra.com'" Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:32:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01C67E54.37A746E0" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44725816.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ------ =_NextPart_000_01C67E54.37A746E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:12:04 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. Suzi I have to come out of lurkdom to admit to being a costume designer and maker for Theatre companies here and also having 2 cats. (I always have my fingers crossed that no one in the cast is allergic!) Janette in a chilly Canberra Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I started sewing by age 9 or 10 - I remember begging my mother to let me take a class at Sears in the summer when I was 12. She made many of our clothes when I was under age 8 or so. I made all my long dresses for whatever I needed them for in high school and college, but at that point my costuming was only for Halloween parties. I did not branch out of Halloween costumes and regular clothing until I was about 30, when I found my first Renaissance Festival, and discovered a need for more costumes. Then I found the SCA and a need for more costumes, and then started learning about historical costume and another world opened up. I also learned crochet/knitting/embroidery/macramé about the same time as I learned sewing (as a kid). Now I'm back to some mundane clothing as well, and incorporating some features of historic clothing into my mundane wear. -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 21:22:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1M2VA008572 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:22:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N1Lwlx027639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 21:22:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1LdKe099577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1LbCn041080; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1LY6e041039 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so281659nfc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jDkNZo8+FkobJNUwXTWE7M0N/zNnaUEQcHg1EgN2L7nVUg9g8dAbcQntLkAke333CCTg3LyuI3SINE4l8+LjvM0Z6ePSTfSAlYTzO1KulEUPWKnl9PPtiyqdfDdWOhmyWEOKJ4oiexnPilV7aFT9gRu3v4Zs92WjvNJY9rcYEgY= Received: by 10.49.94.19 with SMTP id w19mr14783nfl; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.17 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:21:34 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4N1M2VA008572 Status: RO Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this evening, but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since the fall: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q I'm procrastinating on the quilted petticoat again, by making a pair of stays. I guess I'll be finished with the binding within the next week and will have to go back to quilting for a while. My next procrastination project is to make pockets... and then maybe start making another shift, but of linen this time around... and then... I'm so very happy to see that I'm not the only one who works on multiple projects simultaneously. It used to drive my ex nuts... but I guess he was never around anyone else who had a creative streak in them! Kristin On 5/22/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > > On Sunday 21 May 2006 11:48 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > I think I'm right about where you are, garb-wise, Cathy. My "laundry > list" > > wasn't really an indication of my Extreme Expertise and Skills, but more > > like the results of being consitutionally incapable of project monogamy. > > Same here, which was part of my point. However, you have attempted a > wider > variety of projects than I have (see below). > > > Deity help me, a couple of weeks ago, I was encountering my first power > > tool (a drill press) in a friend's garage, learning to register > soapstone > > molds so I can carve the molds and make my own pewter buttons for fitted > > gowns. > > Now anything that requires power tools is a bit farther than I've cared to > go! > I'm still waffling about using that sheet copper I bought to try to make a > Viking style needlecase-and I can do that with only a dowel and a pair of > pliers (and maybe crazy glue). > > > > I'd love to hear more about you Lithuanian shawl! > > One of the things the lands along the Baltic seem to have in common > (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, parts of Finland, even Novogorod) is that the > rich tended to ornament their clothes by working bronze coils and rings > into > them. (Most of the 1st-10th c textile finds in those areas have survived > because the bronze ornaments preserve a fair amount of the cloth. Since > most > of the ornamentation was at the edges, you get a good idea of the size of > the > ornamented items.) > > Based on where the metal ornaments were found, it appears that there was a > standard shawl size (roughly 30 inches by 40 inches). The proper way to > do > the ornamentation would be to weave the shawl to order, and wrap strips of > sheet bronze or bits of bronze wire around certain warp threads as I > worked, > but I'm not likely to learn how to weave anything bigger than a > tablet-woven > belt anytime soon. So what I'll probably do is kind of corkscrew pieces > of > copper wire into already woven wool (I have some nice wool melton cut and > fringed for the purpose). Then, I will make smaller coils of copper wire, > string them onto a cord, and couch them onto each short end. > > Raymond's Quiet Press started making the kind of stick pins that (it has > been > theorized) were used to fasten these shawls. There's a picture of the > design > here: > > http://www.quietpress.com/New2004.html > > (look under "new in October 2004"; it's the left-hand picture, the item on > the > far right). > > They were used in pairs, fastened together with bronze chains. The pins > attached to them are huge--as big as knitting needles (the same is true of > the actual survivals Raymond's model is based upon). > > Having finally bought myself a pair from Raymond as a birthday present, my > theory is that the pins were never meant to go through anything other than > the shawl. Once you fasten them to the shawl (I've already tried this) > you > can take the shawl off and on over your head (really, really carefully, > to > make sure you don't gouge out your eyes) as a unit, without risking damage > to > the rest of your body or clothes. > > I have already finished most of the rest of the costume the shawl is to be > worn with. When I finally finish the shawl, I'll put a picture in the > MedCos > gallery and post the URL to it here. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 21:55:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1taSq009541 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:55:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N1tVYm011277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 21:55:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1sb7d003454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 19:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1sa8S068081; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N1sD9I067700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4N3imW0027170 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:44:48 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO On Monday 22 May 2006 4:13 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > You're lucky. It's cold and very wet in the UK (and I have my first camping > event of the season next weekend!) It's been drier than usual here in Pennsylvania, but also colder than usual--it barely stayed warm enough for us to finish eating on Saturday. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 22:01:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N21q6U009709 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:01:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N21mHw009591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:01:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N21bN7004270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N21ZJZ074029; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:01:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N21S1i073821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4N3pxfW027339 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:51:59 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO I made dresses for my Barbie dolls largely because my parents couldn't afford to buy lots of doll clothes for me, but my interest in historic costume dates to my adolescence, when I saw the Masterpiece Theater series "Six Wives of Henry VIII" on television. I dove into histories of the period, to see how much of the series was based on fact, and branched out from there into costume history. My mother sewed in a dress factory. Her specialty was sewing on buttons, but she knew the basics of how to use a sewing machine and how to follow a simple pattern, and she helped me out with my first projects. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 22:06:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N26jLq009870 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:06:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N26gx8015160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:06:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N25RxE004535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N25QUF077156; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N25LDD076988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4N3ttDP027440 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:55:55 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO [snip] > I've never had a cat; I keep dwarf hamsters because (apart from being cute) > they can look after themselves for a night or two when I'm away at weekend > events. I hope to get a dog when I have more spare time! P.S. My father hated cats, and wouldn't allow us to have one; all of our pets when I was growing up were dogs. Big dogs, like Labradors and Weimaraners. But my mother liked all kinds of animals, and so did her second husband. The pet they had the year they both died was a charming gray and white tabby, who is now my costuming companion. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 22:13:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2DORq010080 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:13:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N2DLAZ017447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2D5kR005282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:13:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2D0gc083670; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2CvEw083544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4N43VVi027598 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:03:32 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:22:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> <16a2233a0605221242y140442a0j296c326bd8f2d25@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0605221242y140442a0j296c326bd8f2d25@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605222122.51511.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:13:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44726FC1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Monday 22 May 2006 3:42 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: [snip] > So, when I joined the SCA, sewing became the way to obtain the > costumes I wanted. I think to this day I like "having made" something > more than I like "making" it. I am *so* with you there. That is *exactly* why I sew, and if I could get exactly what I want without sewing it myself (and could afford to pay for it, of course) I would. When I can, I do. > I had to learn to make clothes without a > pattern (thanks Kass - and her reconstructinghistory website), > something my mother wouldn't do. Something my mother *couldn't* do. She sewed in a "sweatshop" for a living, and didn't really enjoy it. > I learned mostly by reading mailing > lists and websites. Ditto. > > I love thinking about projects, planning, researching, buying fabric > and accessories, In agreement with you so far! > washing, preparing and ironing the fabric, This part I can live without. > but then I > get stuck because I HATE HATE HATE marking, pinning and cutting. > Sometimes a project will sit in a box for years before I start because > I just can't bring myself to lay it out and cut. Me too. Though "hate" isn't quite the right word for the way I feel. "Dread" is more like it. > The sewing stage > itself doesn't bother me. It's not something I enjoy doing, but I > don't hate it either. Ditto. > Fitting doesn't bother me either, but fitting > myself is kind of a hassle - I really have to get a dress dummy at > some point. There's a reason I seldom make styles that require any significant amounts of fitting.... > Then I get to the other part I love - hand-finishing. > Hemming, finishing the inside seams, all of that. I don't mind doing hand-finishing--so long as there isn't too much of it, but I'm not wild about it either. It's refreshing, hearing somebody else give vent to my pet peeves about costuming, for a change! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 22:30:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2Uu5O010628 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:30:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N2UmjG028688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:30:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2TvoX007161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2TtA0098332; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from seer.dracolore.com (h-67-100-119-212.snvacaid.covad.net [67.100.119.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4N2TpXr098179 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cilean@DracoLore.com) Received: from Stitch ([192.168.42.1]) by seer.dracolore.com with hMailServer ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:29:45 -0700 From: "Simone A. Bryan" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:29:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c67e10$c302e080$652aa8c0@Stitch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZ+AFp+l8nDYB6FROOarR+NeL1ktQADOQ/AAACuS9A= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:30:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447273D8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When? 1994 or A.S. XXVIII, I was married and I wanted to be Elizabethan and I did not know how to sew. I priced some gowns in the marketplace, but they were not authentic enough to please me nor was their price in my range of life. I was living in An Tir, in Adiantum. I was approached by a lady there, and she said she would 'help' me to learn how to sew....and so I purchased a Bernina older sewing machine for $75.00, but did not know how to use it! As time went on I found out I was on this journey by myself, and I made a lot of mistakes and tragic outfits. My poor Hubby and kid looked pretty badly most of the time! But I hung in there. I own a Husqvarna Designer SE now, and I have had compliments on what comes from my sewing room....no longer "Well it was a good effort" LOL!!! I still want to do better, and I shall continue to strive!!! Cilean -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Janette Humphrey Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:32 PM To: 'h-costume@indra.com' Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:12:04 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> Oh, and coincidentally to the sewing conversation, we wondered if it was a given that costume makers, whether professional, gifted amateur, or occasional maker, have cats? All the ones I know do. Suzi I have to come out of lurkdom to admit to being a costume designer and maker for Theatre companies here and also having 2 cats. (I always have my fingers crossed that no one in the cast is allergic!) Janette in a chilly Canberra Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Status: RO On Monday 22 May 2006 9:21 pm, Kristin wrote: > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this evening, > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since the > fall: > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> Really neat. I agree that the print may not be quite in the right scale for 18th c, but the color scheme is beautiful and dead on. Thanks for sharing! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 22 22:56:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2uvto011355 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:56:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N2uq5R006955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:56:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2uPdx010560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 20:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2uOVI020692; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N2uK98020538 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 20:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.41f.1e76018 (15699) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d53447279c46e; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:56:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605220001.44231.cathy@thyrsus.com> <33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <9fb4fdffdc939e442277f3dd0d622107@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4N2uvto011355 Status: RO Beautiful ! Thanks for sharing. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 22, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Kristin wrote: > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > evening, > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > the > fall: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q //www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > I'm procrastinating on the quilted petticoat again, by making a pair of > stays. I guess I'll be finished with the binding within the next week > and > will have to go back to quilting for a while. My next procrastination > project is to make pockets... and then maybe start making another > shift, but > of linen this time around... and then... > > I'm so very happy to see that I'm not the only one who works on > multiple > projects simultaneously. It used to drive my ex nuts... but I guess > he was > never around anyone else who had a creative streak in them! > > Kristin > > > > On 5/22/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >> >> On Sunday 21 May 2006 11:48 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: >> > I think I'm right about where you are, garb-wise, Cathy. My >> "laundry >> list" >> > wasn't really an indication of my Extreme Expertise and Skills, but >> more >> > like the results of being consitutionally incapable of project >> monogamy. >> >> Same here, which was part of my point. However, you have attempted a >> wider >> variety of projects than I have (see below). >> >> > Deity help me, a couple of weeks ago, I was encountering my first >> power >> > tool (a drill press) in a friend's garage, learning to register >> soapstone >> > molds so I can carve the molds and make my own pewter buttons for >> fitted >> > gowns. >> >> Now anything that requires power tools is a bit farther than I've >> cared to >> go! >> I'm still waffling about using that sheet copper I bought to try to >> make a >> Viking style needlecase-and I can do that with only a dowel and a >> pair of >> pliers (and maybe crazy glue). >> >> >> > I'd love to hear more about you Lithuanian shawl! >> >> One of the things the lands along the Baltic seem to have in common >> (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, parts of Finland, even Novogorod) is >> that the >> rich tended to ornament their clothes by working bronze coils and >> rings >> into >> them. (Most of the 1st-10th c textile finds in those areas have >> survived >> because the bronze ornaments preserve a fair amount of the cloth. >> Since >> most >> of the ornamentation was at the edges, you get a good idea of the >> size of >> the >> ornamented items.) >> >> Based on where the metal ornaments were found, it appears that there >> was a >> standard shawl size (roughly 30 inches by 40 inches). The proper way >> to >> do >> the ornamentation would be to weave the shawl to order, and wrap >> strips of >> sheet bronze or bits of bronze wire around certain warp threads as I >> worked, >> but I'm not likely to learn how to weave anything bigger than a >> tablet-woven >> belt anytime soon. So what I'll probably do is kind of corkscrew >> pieces >> of >> copper wire into already woven wool (I have some nice wool melton cut >> and >> fringed for the purpose). Then, I will make smaller coils of copper >> wire, >> string them onto a cord, and couch them onto each short end. >> >> Raymond's Quiet Press started making the kind of stick pins that (it >> has >> been >> theorized) were used to fasten these shawls. There's a picture of the >> design >> here: >> >> http://www.quietpress.com/New2004.html >> >> (look under "new in October 2004"; it's the left-hand picture, the >> item on >> the >> far right). >> >> They were used in pairs, fastened together with bronze chains. The >> pins >> attached to them are huge--as big as knitting needles (the same is >> true of >> the actual survivals Raymond's model is based upon). >> >> Having finally bought myself a pair from Raymond as a birthday >> present, my >> theory is that the pins were never meant to go through anything other >> than >> the shawl. Once you fasten them to the shawl (I've already tried >> this) >> you >> can take the shawl off and on over your head (really, really >> carefully, >> to >> make sure you don't gouge out your eyes) as a unit, without risking >> damage >> to >> the rest of your body or clothes. >> >> I have already finished most of the rest of the costume the shawl is >> to be >> worn with. When I finally finish the shawl, I'll put a picture in the >> MedCos >> gallery and post the URL to it here. >> >> >> -- >> Cathy Raymond >> >> "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." >> --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 00:09:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N49es3013699 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:09:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N49afd029812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 00:09:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N49Fvw018582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N49DPP080652; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N49Aca080536 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (180.birmingham-04rh16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.175.180]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20060523040904112005e6f4e>; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:09:04 +0000 Message-ID: <014a01c67e1e$9ca3ffb0$b4af4a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523010942.75A7614D9E9@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO In about 1948 or 1949. I wanted to be a princess like the pictures in one of our books. Probably very styalised but thaniks to 4H training the costume passed mustard. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 00:24:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4OtsG014229 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:24:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N4OpHu018291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 00:24:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4O9EB020102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4O6JU092091; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4O1vZ091986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4N6Ea4G030709 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:14:37 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Biblical weaving Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:33:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <003f01c67de7$45255630$b55d8841@yourbes5v9ftq9> In-Reply-To: <003f01c67de7$45255630$b55d8841@yourbes5v9ftq9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605222333.56588.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 00:24:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44728E93.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Monday 22 May 2006 5:32 pm, Kathy Bone wrote: > Does anyone here have information on the type of material and weave that > was used during the ministry of Christ? I am particularly interested in > finding out more about the robe of Jesus that is mentioned in John 19:23. > I know one type article of clothing worn then was a khiton. However, this > was Roman garb and I don't know if a Jewish peasant would have wore the > same thing. However, I read recently in a book on the Hogom find that late in antiquity (like the 4th c CE, say) cloaks in general were woven to size (usually, a specifically sized rectangle) throughout what had been the Empire, and were not cut to shape. It seems likely that that was the practice in Roman areas in early times as well, since Roman and Greek clothing was not shaped to the body and thus did not have to be cut if it was woven properly to size. When Jesus lived, Palestine was a Roman subject state, and probably used a similar weaving technology. Even if the Jewish subjects used different weaving techniques, Roman-style cloaks were probably easy to find in all price ranges. I also know that throughout what we now often call the Middle East (such as Egypt) horizontal looms fastened to the ground were typically used for weaving, and they could make cloth of practically any width since all you needed was a few more inches of ground. I'd suggest that you look for a good book on the history of looms and weaving to start with. Good luck. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 00:55:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4t7xT015528 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 00:55:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N4t1s9006797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 00:55:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4sjPi022976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 May 2006 22:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N4sgjU014387; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4N4sdeG014343 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 16391 invoked from network); 22 May 2006 21:54:39 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16376, pid: 16378, t: 4.5476s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 22 May 2006 21:54:34 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060522214116.023a3030@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:54:26 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Biblical weaving In-Reply-To: <200605222333.56588.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <003f01c67de7$45255630$b55d8841@yourbes5v9ftq9> <200605222333.56588.cathy@thyrsus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 00:55:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447295A5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:33 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote: >On Monday 22 May 2006 5:32 pm, Kathy Bone wrote: > > Does anyone here have information on the type of material and weave that > > was used during the ministry of Christ? I am particularly interested in > > finding out more about the robe of Jesus that is mentioned in John 19:23. > > I know one type article of clothing worn then was a khiton. However, this > > was Roman garb and I don't know if a Jewish peasant would have wore the > > same thing. > >However, I read recently in a book on the Hogom find that late in antiquity >(like the 4th c CE, say) cloaks in general were woven to size (usually, a >specifically sized rectangle) throughout what had been the Empire, and were >not cut to shape. It seems likely that that was the practice in Roman areas >in early times as well, since Roman and Greek clothing was not shaped to the >body and thus did not have to be cut if it was woven properly to size. When >Jesus lived, Palestine was a Roman subject state, and probably used a similar >weaving technology. Even if the Jewish subjects used different weaving >techniques, Roman-style cloaks were probably easy to find in all price >ranges. > >I also know that throughout what we now often call the Middle East (such as >Egypt) horizontal looms fastened to the ground were typically used for >weaving, and they could make cloth of practically any width since all you >needed was a few more inches of ground. > >I'd suggest that you look for a good book on the history of looms and weaving >to start with. Good luck. > >-- >Cathy Raymond May I suggest that you look for "Prehistoric Textiles: The development of cloth in the Neolithic and Bronze Ages, with special reference to the Aegean", by Elizabeth J. W. Barber, or her other book titled "Women's Work: the first 20,000 years". The first is very scholarly and goes into great detail, but ends about the time that written records are predominant. The second book is more for the non-scholar. I have, and have repeatedly read, both of them. The Romans and Greeks used the warp-weighted loom for their weaving. The ground loom was prevalent in the dryer climates of Egypt and Mesopotamia. By Roman times, the looms types were no longer so limited in their distribution, though the warp-weighted loom continued in use in Europe into the Middle Ages, and longer in some more peripheral areas (like in Scandinavia). Unfortunately, the climate in Palestine as well as Europe is not very conducive to the survival of fabric over the centuries, unless it's a very special set of circumstances, so we have few remains to work from. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 04:08:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N87vvf018054 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4N87rs4026186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 04:07:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N87TYr040967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 02:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N87OqK001088; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N87LkZ000912 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 02:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.44d.161875f (58550) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:07:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <44d.161875f.31a41cab@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 04:07:07 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO Oh, forgot to say have two cats. Had cats as a kid too, (along with the budgies, the canary, the rabbits, the dog, the hamsters, and the fish - surprizingley perhaps, none of the smaller non-feline animals ever came close to being eaten!). Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 06:52:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NAqNXh019800 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NAqJWN030329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NApSuH063156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 04:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NApQEW065322; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NApM8J065162 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 04:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51165100FE for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06148-01-71 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AE1715100F9 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <028d01c67e56$cc6ef9b0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605222115.15484.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:51:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4472E963.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I hope to get a dog when I have more spare time! > > P.S. My father hated cats, and wouldn't allow us to have one; all of our > pets > when I was growing up were dogs. Big dogs, like Labradors and > Weimaraners. > > But my mother liked all kinds of animals, and so did her second husband. > The > pet they had the year they both died was a charming gray and white tabby, > who > is now my costuming companion. :-) I grew up with cats, so sometimes I miss them. But I don't miss litter boxes. I do mis having a dog, especially when I have three little boys here, and I firmly believe a boy should have a dog. When I buy a house, hopefully within the next year, I'm going to buy a dog. They want just a dog--I want a Sheltie, and I won't settle for anything else. That's what I grew up with, and that's what I want. They are the perfect dog--smart, gentle, and beautiful. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 08:13:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCDT59002869 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:13:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NCDPkx000322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:13:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCCIB9086726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 06:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCCFLC047419; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCCB5D047260 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id AC1401BC; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:12:04 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.154 ([209.131.80.154] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 23 May 2006 08:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c67e62$838eb3a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605222104.07855.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO Hey Cathy, what end of the state do You live in? We had rain on and off All last week! (SW Pa.) Costume content: Pike Festival (Sorry, National Road Festival) Yard sales from Addison, Pa. to Ohio line. Found some very nice fabric scraps for stomacher foundations. Also unusual costume jewelry for period recreations. Real find re antique children's/infant clothing. All this between the clouds... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > On Monday 22 May 2006 4:13 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > You're lucky. It's cold and very wet in the UK (and I have my first camping > > event of the season next weekend!) > > It's been drier than usual here in Pennsylvania, but also colder than > usual--it barely stayed warm enough for us to finish eating on Saturday. > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 08:19:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCJrsb003200 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:19:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NCJmS0023719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:19:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCJBVV087621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 06:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCJBEB055123; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net (jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCJ7pT055040 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bone@peoplepc.com) Received: from 0-1pool93-242.nas99.washington1.dc.us.da.qwest.net ([65.136.93.242] helo=yourbes5v9ftq9) by jacob.mail.atl.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FiVqr-0002S8-00 for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c67e63$144053e0$f25d8841@yourbes5v9ftq9> From: "Kathy Bone" To: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 08:19:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:When and how did you start making costumes? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:19:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4472FDE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NCJrsb003200 Status: RO I began like a lot of folks here, by sewing for my Barbie. I grew up in a very rural area and my only neighbors within walking distance was a family with 18 kids - 10 of which were girls. None of us had money, but people from town always gave their family clothes. So, some of the ones they didn't use we cut up for Barbie clothes. We had real fur, satin, silk, velvet, etc. Mom showed me the basics of stitching and I was off! I was about nine. She taught me to use her sewing machine when I was about 10. I got my own at 17, when I got married. Since then, I have made school play costumes, my brother-in-laws "Mountain Man" costume, two of my daughter's wedding gowns (one was Medieval), tons of street clothes, alterations, quilts, blah, blah, blah. I must say of all the crafts I have learned in my life, sewing has given me the most pleasure, been the most thrifty and proved to be the most useful of all. Kathy in WV "Mountaineers Are Always Free" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 08:53:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCrAmM006312 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:53:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NCr5d5009160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:53:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCqI3Q091946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCqIck092387; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCqDJb092177 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k4NCq7U13952.; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:07 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:51:52 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this evening, but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since the fall: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 08:55:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCtBf4006395 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:55:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NCt7MW019729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:55:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCnDL3091619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 06:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCnBn2088943; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NCn4x3088680 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k4NCmvU13572.; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:48:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:48:57 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:48:43 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> cathy@thyrsus.com 23/05/2006 02:22 >>> >On Monday 22 May 2006 3:42 pm, Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >[snip] >> So, when I joined the SCA, sewing became the way to obtain the >> costumes I wanted. I think to this day I like "having made" something >> more than I like "making" it. >I am *so* with you there. That is *exactly* why I sew, and if I could get >exactly what I want without sewing it myself (and could afford to pay for it, >of course) I would. When I can, I do. Me, too! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 09:14:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDEA0b007522 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:14:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NDE6X8032105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:14:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDDf1L094833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 07:13:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDDbW6017179; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:13:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDDWBE016982 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.172.131]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060523131324.WQGU26685.fep06.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 01:13:24 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.392 [268.7.0/345]); Wed, 24 May 2006 01:13:29 +1200 Message-ID: <00fd01c67e6a$af311360$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1><16a2233a0605221242y140442a0j296c326bd8f2d25@mail.gmail.com> <200605222122.51511.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO > > So, when I joined the SCA, sewing became the way to obtain the > > costumes I wanted. I think to this day I like "having made" something > > more than I like "making" it. > > I am *so* with you there. That is *exactly* why I sew, and if I could get > exactly what I want without sewing it myself (and could afford to pay for it, > of course) I would. When I can, I do. I'm halfway between:) Physical limitations mean I would dearly love to have someone else do the hard work for me;) But I'm a stubborn goat and want things made by myself. I'm not exactly sure why, but I don't want to wear something someone else made and be complimented about it, egotistical maybe, more likely the ugly duckling syndrome and never feeling like I grew into a swan;) On the other hand, I know my shape and what my body will and will not look good in and it's usually not what someone else wants;) But that's half design half construction methods. > > I had to learn to make clothes without a > > pattern (thanks Kass - and her reconstructinghistory website), > > something my mother wouldn't do. As for most things in this world I cannot find a single start. I can find lots of events that lead to me taking up costuming as an art. As a kid I drew pretty dresses and superhero costumes and occasionally made felt animals, puppets, dolls etc and as a teen I was most inspired by two costumer designers (Maria Bjornson and Eiko, worls apart yet both strive for visualisation of character and mood) and dreamt about making things like that eventually. It wasn't until 1994 that I actually put fabric to machine to sew up a costume rather than cobble it together or make something for a doll (OOAK polymer clay dolls at that stage.) And it wasn't until I got sick that I really got into production and to a level I consider at least reasonable. Which is perhaps ironic given that I have a degenerative joint disease and this sewing lark is only going to last so long;) Michaela de Bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO > >> So, when I joined the SCA, sewing became the way to obtain the > >> costumes I wanted. I think to this day I like "having made" something > >> more than I like "making" it. > > >I am *so* with you there. That is *exactly* why I sew, and if I could get > >exactly what I want without sewing it myself (and could afford to pay for it, > >of course) I would. When I can, I do. > > Me, too! > Ah, but I think I like saying people "I made it" a little too much. If someone else did it, I'd have to say "She made it for me" and it just wouldn't be the same ;-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 09:33:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDXMSU008360 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:33:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NDXI9V011118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDRMRm096926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 07:27:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDRJqf032114; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:27:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDRBYU031868 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:27:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.320.4aaa2c7 (15862) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d49 (mblk-d49.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.233]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID61-3df644730da6121; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:01 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84C83B547CA8E-1414-30F2@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com> <000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com> <001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion> <18FD3B7D-7E4E-40EA-97E9-78F598D1B9CA@alfalfapress.com> <001c01c67d76$86c30ae0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522100022.01e2d508@127.0.0.1> <870801590605221043r548eedfid9dbba61469831b6@mail.gmail.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060522191953.01e36af8@127.0.0.1> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.233) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:27:00 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060522191953.01e36af8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: Re: [h-cost] In an ideal "sewing" world.............. 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Status: RO -Ideal sewing situation would be, not only an area just for my projects, but the imagination to do all of the wonderful things I see. My mother didn't start sewing until after I left home, so no chance of teaching me. Most of what I know is self taught. But in the SCA I have many great people who have supported my efforts to learn, and helped me not make a total mess of my projects. So not only would I want the sewing space but to have been introduced to the wonderful world of recreation sooner. theresa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 09:55:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDtpTC009687 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:55:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NDtlbK012313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:55:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDtPYg001074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 07:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDtMfr063696; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:55:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDtKi3063640 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so357710nfc for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FiWsjSROxHsZBT3wHgFmLlVj92XI4JyZrCaNUF7hCebJiE3nPCvnnQtWmg0ANnBD9nf9P4UF+ajwLKrHYfJs//Zj8IRM3ST3UkRPof6wviSRDTd1f3KPlt2Vv4kFZA/31sE03k6yLQlnpUt+gMd+7lP0YmyZwJrf4Ax9rLuBIwY= Received: by 10.48.237.18 with SMTP id k18mr4773715nfh; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.17 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605230655k7fce2e0clc8dade51349d7366@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:55:19 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NDtpTC009687 Status: RO Thank you Catherine, Susan and Kate! So if the pattern and colors are okay (but perhaps the scale a bit off), am I okay for 1770's, or would the dress be a bit earlier? I'm still so new to this... and my idea was that I'd just go ahead and do it and figure out what was wrong with it later. Kristin On 5/23/06, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > >>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this evening, > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since the > fall: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 10:04:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NE3x0U010261 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:03:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NE3tEL031529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 10:03:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NE3eSO002050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NE3c8g072582; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NE3Xgn072495 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so359163nfc for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HDAQuYPFN8BmysD36lk9u3y1d+Ui8p3LjVXagJeWk0wAu3/k6dGDmWZPnVzWXxijFIZbzH9xollx/4fuUQWff7/ZvmY0NNfofDCA9IDvO5Fue4zhEl4q29oRbk0oljlH7GT/mvWw9VVY/qtbz/R6KMGvuuWxeZ7JOveytETiXUE= Received: by 10.48.204.2 with SMTP id b2mr4779675nfg; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.215.9 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590605230703n2163c077j810810bb4ddc18ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:03:32 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:When and how did you start making costumes? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NE3x0U010261 Status: RO > I must say of all the crafts I have learned in my life, sewing has given > me the most pleasure, been the most thrifty and proved to be the most useful > of all. > > Kathy in WV > "Mountaineers Are Always Free" I had to laugh at this one, sewing has given me more pleasure than just about anything else I've done, and while at times it has saved me money, I've spent more of my money on cloth and sewing supplies, so I can't call it a thrifty hobby. alex I can quit sewing any time I want. 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Status: RO Sorry to hear you are under the weather, hope you feel better soon, theresa -----Original Message----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 20 May 2006 20:17:23 +0200 Subject: Re: [h-cost] My latest gig! Hi, How nice for you, that is lovely. Please keep us updated with this! Bjarne who is not well at the moment. 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Status: RO All I can say is wow!!! please put up pictures of your projects. thanks theresa -----Original Message----- From: Sue Clemenger To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:06:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? Sure! Always! I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them peripherally (sp?) associated with historical costuming, in that they're fiber-related. I'm preparing wool and yarns at the moment (getting them ready for a weekend natural dyeing workshop next weekend), and some of that will become historical clothing and accessories. I've got myself about a pound of lovely, loosely-plied unmercerized (natural-colored) cotton, half of which is going to get indigo'd but *good,* with the idea of making Mamluke stockings from it. I have about three pounds of a 2-ply fingering-weight wool that has been mordanted, and which I'll dye with indigo, cochineal, and a blend (not sure if I want purple or green ;o). 3 separate batches, that yarn, and it will make different pairs of 16th century stockings (English/Irish). I'm also processing a couple of raw fleeces, with the aim of spinning it myself and making woven fabric from it for a couple of earlier-SCA period outfits. One of the fleeces is a Romney, which is a more modern breed of sheep, but I lucked out *hugely* with it, and it's such a nice fleece, it just *needs* to be made into a garment. I have something like 6? 7? pounds of it, and if my spinning can do it justice, it'll become a tunic done in a broken lozenge twill. I'm also making a few new sets of (Western Norse/Danish, 10th c.) garb, all in linen and wool. Don't have the time to handsew them entirely, though. I've got a deadline on those, because the single largest regional event for my SCA area is coming up in early June. Oh, and I *am* working on a handsewn 12th century (Norman) outfit, using ideas I got from reading Robin's article of a few years ago..... What's going on in your neck of the costuming world? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > Thanks, Sue. :-) > > Feel like discussing latest projects? > > Arlys > > On Sat, 20 May 2006 08:48:46 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" > writes: > > You came through just fine, Arlys. At least, on my end. > > I think it's just really quiet.... > > --Sue, checking email before heading out to the gardens..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Cynthia J Ley" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:10 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] hello out there?? > > > > > > > Hi all. Have recieved nothing from this list since yesterday > > (Friday) > > > morning. Everything ok? > > > > > > Arlys > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 11:26:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFQH4L015298 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:26:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NFQDPO003434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFPIIj014417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFPHrF060151; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFPDIs060047 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.252]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C6E50A50029 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:25:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c67e7d$219c9700$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. I would have loved to see. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this evening, > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since the > fall: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 11:44:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFinlO016159 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:44:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NFikhb008248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFiEwx017253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFi0im079633; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFhrpk079342 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m11.in-tch.com [216.166.191.11]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4NFXp202264 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:33:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001e01c67e80$b914ce60$0bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><000801c67c51$38b7c280$21bfa6d8@pavilion> <8C84C93921B0A16-11C0-87FB@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? 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Status: RO I would if I could, but I don't have a website or blog or anything. ;o( I've always been intrigued by the great websites some of our list members have (and some of the others I've seen, too), and especially wonderful things like dress diaries, which I find especially fascinating and enlightening. But thanks for the "wow." As I said to someone else, it's more a factor of just not being able to handle project monogamy--sort of a craftsman's version of ADD. I'm forever getting bored with what I'm doing and wandering off to tinker with something else. I restrict myself to 8 or 10 active projects, and kinda circulate among them, and when one is finished, I slip in another one. ;o) --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > All I can say is wow!!! please put up pictures of your projects. thanks > theresa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Clemenger > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:06:09 -0600 > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hello out there?? > > Sure! Always! > I've got a variety of things going at the moment, some of them > peripherally > (sp?) associated with historical costuming, in that they're > fiber-related. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 12:36:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NGaOaE019477 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:36:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NGaJIT003089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 12:36:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NGZJxI026198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 10:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NGZCNS038038; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxv1.wvu.edu (mxv1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NGYsOp037525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 10:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxv1.wvu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NGYKsI022677 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:34:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:34:19 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:33:55 -0400 From: "Rhonda Donaldson" To: "Historical Costume" , Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my start at making costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 12:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44733A03.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NGaOaE019477 Status: RO I started doing small hand sewing when I was a kid. Never made doll clothes, but did make myself a purse out of an old pair bluejeans. Then in highschool I had 5 years of home economics; ½ time sewing and half cooking. I don't always use a pattern the right way, but I try to sew it together the way it will fit the person I am making it for. I have made myself a couple of costumes, but would rather sew for others. So far I have done them as gifts. I am not good enough to sell them and lately haven't had the time to even turn around. Ask Suzi lol...will send out some pictures sometime to see what you guys think... Rhonda Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Beware how you pass judgement on your superiors at least until you know how to put yourself in their place and see from their view." "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. 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Status: RO I do have cats too Rhonda Donaldson LTA II e-Reserves Jr. Guru Access Services Downtown Campus Library P O Box 6069 Morgantown, WV 26506 293-4040 x4094 rhonda.donaldson@mail.wvu.edu "Beware how you pass judgement on your superiors at least until you know how to put yourself in their place and see from their view." "Without change, something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NHFghq022615 Status: RO I don't know why that happened. Here's the link again: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q I need to start my own website, instead of just using the Kodak site, but then it's where I upload my pictures and order the prints. On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. > I would have loved to see. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kate M Bunting" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > > > Kate Bunting > > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > evening, > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > the > > fall: > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 13:37:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHaxUh023562 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:37:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NHatjh003767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:36:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHaHfG037126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHZujU001192; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4N7qCss085345 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 01:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dixEwIIjqxsq1HS9yPdCwwmzNLnR1aLIsRgFLAKq5hKdioAOmkYnaASESPFOilhS; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.53.23.29] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FiRgZ-0007IQ-Di for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 23 May 2006 03:52:12 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220065223752715@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 00:52:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794fbc526476c78667fc34ce073bd45c06350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.53.23.29 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:36:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44734837.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO coltide.com has them and acid free garment boxes too Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > To: > Date: 5/22/2006 3:47:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper > > I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) and have > found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to store such things in > acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what kind of shops sell such paper. > Any suggestions? > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > Hi Kate. > Here in Denmark we have a nice shop that sells all kinds of papers for > offices, and also arts papers. They carry the acid free tissue paper, so if > you have a shop like that, try and ask them! > You could also try some bookshops, perhaps? > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 13:48:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHm74r024110 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:48:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NHm3Ox013630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:48:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHlktL039185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHleFL013370; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHlYiT013164 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.46b.12e6ed2 (16099) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d37 (mblk-d37.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.221]) by air-id11.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID113-3ee344734aab254; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:47:23 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84CA814AFE09D-1B70-1699@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> From: theresathreadgi@aol.com References: <000901c67e7d$219c9700$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <33a78bfb0605230950j460a710dk3291d14d4ebd2096@mail.gmail.com> Received: from 206.132.138.1 by mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.221) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:47:23 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <33a78bfb0605230950j460a710dk3291d14d4ebd2096@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO Thank you so much for resending I just thought it was my school computer being difficult again. The pictures are fantastic you have done an absolutely lovely job. Again thanks for sharing. Theresa -----Original Message----- From: Kristin To: Historical Costume Sent: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:50:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) I don't know why that happened. Here's the link again: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q I need to start my own website, instead of just using the Kodak site, but then it's where I upload my pictures and order the prints. On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. > I would have loved to see. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kate M Bunting" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > > > Kate Bunting > > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > evening, > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > the > > fall: > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 13:52:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHqh68024332 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NHqctg010673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHpx5S040101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHpqD4017937; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NE015l068731 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so358523nfc for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oFZW27/KD4FAvafNRawedyFiDhT91lYkC/MItgrDGVtdtwzhUv7eHWPbiRvhdo0i5VrPsJ6zx7ga9JrM4DY13xMu3dORKJYrQKyqkiItbEk+olQ+C/lVEP85gbs2wRPIuztVx8qnwE+Pjzzl7UwfWEzjw2ak14h3TguiHJYw4+I= Received: by 10.49.7.18 with SMTP id k18mr4775875nfi; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.17 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605230700u6abb2fc6x37ee3f01dcacf8c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:00:00 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NHqh68024332 Status: RO We just finished up with some very heavy rains here in Eastern PA... and now it's chilly! On 5/23/06, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > > Hey Cathy, what end of the state do You live in? We had rain on and off > All > last week! (SW Pa.) > Costume content: Pike Festival (Sorry, National Road Festival) Yard sales > from Addison, Pa. to Ohio line. Found some very nice fabric scraps for > stomacher foundations. Also unusual costume jewelry for period > recreations. Real find re antique children's/infant clothing. > All this between the clouds... > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 9:04 PM > Subject: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > On Monday 22 May 2006 4:13 am, Kate M Bunting wrote: > > > You're lucky. It's cold and very wet in the UK (and I have my first > camping > > > event of the season next weekend!) > > > > It's been drier than usual here in Pennsylvania, but also colder than > > usual--it barely stayed warm enough for us to finish eating on Saturday. > > > > > > > > -- > > Cathy Raymond > > > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 13:52:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHqsvW024349 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NHqoBM015940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHp9Xx039965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHp2mb017080; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NDnwCT057679 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 07:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k4NDnogG062202 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b101c67e6f$c3582040$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><200605220001.44231.cathy@thyrsus.com> <33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:49:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Current projects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:52:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44734BF2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NHqsvW024349 Status: RO I'm currently working on a wedding party. I'm doing doublets for the groom and two ushers. I'm also slowly but surely gathering fabrics for my Elizabethan gown. Natalie "The only twelve-step program I want to be in, is the 12 steps from my fabric to my sewing machine" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 15:39:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NJdg1c002263 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NJda9O024473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NJcwTW058421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 13:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NJbm1Q022131; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NJNFLl007091 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.252]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A5348A0023 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 21:23:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c67e9e$5259d7b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:23:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 15:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447364F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. I have this brokade wich i told you about before. Its a cotton/rayon dressing brokade. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/brm.htm I noticed a dress in the Dangerous Liasions catalogue, wich looks very similar, in colour and texture. But is this pattern two victorian to use for 18th century? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 16:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKJeSb008703 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:19:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NKJYWK014876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:19:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKIaAV067533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKIS90063262; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NIfTpm066701 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.252]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BF6C8A004F for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:41:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002b01c67e98$7f0153c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c67e7d$219c9700$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <33a78bfb0605230950j460a710dk3291d14d4ebd2096@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO Hi Kristin, That worked. Oh its lovely. How beautifull you made the quilting, and the fabric you have for the polonaise, is so lovely. Thanks for sharing Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) I don't know why that happened. Here's the link again: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q I need to start my own website, instead of just using the Kodak site, but then it's where I upload my pictures and order the prints. On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. > I would have loved to see. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kate M Bunting" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > > > Kate Bunting > > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > evening, > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > the > > fall: > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 16:23:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKNUSQ008858 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:23:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NKNO3m006983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKLffh068261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKLAw3066198; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKKx6q065956 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD66E810440; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:15:34 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] In an ideal "sewing" world.............. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4NKKx6q065956 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:23:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44736F3D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where do you live? I help a friend of mine when she's doing shows, and I don't mind the plain stuff. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carmen Beaudry Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] In an ideal "sewing" world.............. My biggest daydream is to have someone to do the plain sewing. I love the designing, the research, the patterning and even the initial cutting and testing a garment. After I have it figured out, I don't want to do the sewing. I love the finishing, especially fine details, but I'd love to have someone to do the boring parts. I am actually looking into working with one of the local trade schools to have a student on an internship to do this. There are certain tax breaks for their wages, and some other benefits, as well as getting the work done. I think I might be able to swing this next year. Other than that, I want a bigger studio, or perhaps a separate room for the cutting, since my current studio handles the rest just fine. Oh, and the fibromyalgia and arthritis could go away, too. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 16:26:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKQm1A008982 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:26:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NKQhTI027030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:26:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKPkxK069048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKPFXI069735; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKP8Ka069553 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE5B31F04CE; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:19:39 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO I keep getting "album not found" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) Beautiful ! Thanks for sharing. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 22, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Kristin wrote: > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > evening, > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > the > fall: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q //www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > I'm procrastinating on the quilted petticoat again, by making a pair > of stays. I guess I'll be finished with the binding within the next week > and > will have to go back to quilting for a while. My next procrastination > project is to make pockets... and then maybe start making another > shift, but > of linen this time around... and then... > > I'm so very happy to see that I'm not the only one who works on > multiple > projects simultaneously. It used to drive my ex nuts... but I guess > he was > never around anyone else who had a creative streak in them! > > Kristin > > > > On 5/22/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >> >> On Sunday 21 May 2006 11:48 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: >> > I think I'm right about where you are, garb-wise, Cathy. My >> "laundry >> list" >> > wasn't really an indication of my Extreme Expertise and Skills, but >> more >> > like the results of being consitutionally incapable of project >> monogamy. >> >> Same here, which was part of my point. However, you have attempted a >> wider variety of projects than I have (see below). >> >> > Deity help me, a couple of weeks ago, I was encountering my first >> power >> > tool (a drill press) in a friend's garage, learning to register >> soapstone >> > molds so I can carve the molds and make my own pewter buttons for >> fitted >> > gowns. >> >> Now anything that requires power tools is a bit farther than I've >> cared to >> go! >> I'm still waffling about using that sheet copper I bought to try to >> make a >> Viking style needlecase-and I can do that with only a dowel and a >> pair of >> pliers (and maybe crazy glue). >> >> >> > I'd love to hear more about you Lithuanian shawl! >> >> One of the things the lands along the Baltic seem to have in common >> (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, parts of Finland, even Novogorod) is >> that the >> rich tended to ornament their clothes by working bronze coils and >> rings >> into >> them. (Most of the 1st-10th c textile finds in those areas have >> survived >> because the bronze ornaments preserve a fair amount of the cloth. >> Since >> most >> of the ornamentation was at the edges, you get a good idea of the >> size of >> the >> ornamented items.) >> >> Based on where the metal ornaments were found, it appears that there >> was a >> standard shawl size (roughly 30 inches by 40 inches). The proper way >> to >> do >> the ornamentation would be to weave the shawl to order, and wrap >> strips of >> sheet bronze or bits of bronze wire around certain warp threads as I >> worked, >> but I'm not likely to learn how to weave anything bigger than a >> tablet-woven >> belt anytime soon. So what I'll probably do is kind of corkscrew >> pieces >> of >> copper wire into already woven wool (I have some nice wool melton cut >> and >> fringed for the purpose). Then, I will make smaller coils of copper >> wire, >> string them onto a cord, and couch them onto each short end. >> >> Raymond's Quiet Press started making the kind of stick pins that (it >> has >> been >> theorized) were used to fasten these shawls. There's a picture of the >> design >> here: >> >> http://www.quietpress.com/New2004.html >> >> (look under "new in October 2004"; it's the left-hand picture, the >> item on >> the >> far right). >> >> They were used in pairs, fastened together with bronze chains. The >> pins >> attached to them are huge--as big as knitting needles (the same is >> true of >> the actual survivals Raymond's model is based upon). >> >> Having finally bought myself a pair from Raymond as a birthday >> present, my >> theory is that the pins were never meant to go through anything other >> than >> the shawl. Once you fasten them to the shawl (I've already tried >> this) >> you >> can take the shawl off and on over your head (really, really >> carefully, >> to >> make sure you don't gouge out your eyes) as a unit, without risking >> damage >> to >> the rest of your body or clothes. >> >> I have already finished most of the rest of the costume the shawl is >> to be >> worn with. When I finally finish the shawl, I'll put a picture in the >> MedCos >> gallery and post the URL to it here. >> >> >> -- >> Cathy Raymond >> >> "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General >> Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 16:32:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWsvd009225 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:32:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NKWo4r011262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:32:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWVMN070713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWS4s076476; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWLY6076362 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so51223nfa for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OOQjKrf+YBDnlc/nNahnrh6RD8/W1DRAxAtJXZJfyvCelWfLnPoDaOqrRweUOF3fPO7xvyxSRzlBLus6WT6vNJUCf2brDGTdjzU1QjYII/RhdEMx3EqEy6YHJ05B5vInXikD5U7p3xdwf13KlUmSs7XVumY5st1ikSW2SVd9jRs= Received: by 10.49.27.12 with SMTP id e12mr5069460nfj; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.17 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605231332x18eff893h551a50b4a9ce9e8e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:32:20 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NKWsvd009225 Status: RO I think the link has repeated itself and is getting squished together twice in a row... maybe that's why it's seems to having that issue. In any case, here's the link again: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q On 5/23/06, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > > I keep getting "album not found" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Susan Data-Samtak > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > Beautiful ! Thanks for sharing. > > Susan > > "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too > fast and you miss all you are traveling for". - "Ride the Dark Trail" by > Louis L'Amour > > On May 22, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Kristin wrote: > > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > > evening, > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > > the > > fall: > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > //www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > I'm procrastinating on the quilted petticoat again, by making a pair > > of stays. I guess I'll be finished with the binding within the next > week > > and > > will have to go back to quilting for a while. My next procrastination > > project is to make pockets... and then maybe start making another > > shift, but > > of linen this time around... and then... > > > > I'm so very happy to see that I'm not the only one who works on > > multiple > > projects simultaneously. It used to drive my ex nuts... but I guess > > he was > > never around anyone else who had a creative streak in them! > > > > Kristin > > > > > > > > On 5/22/06, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > >> > >> On Sunday 21 May 2006 11:48 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: > >> > I think I'm right about where you are, garb-wise, Cathy. My > >> "laundry > >> list" > >> > wasn't really an indication of my Extreme Expertise and Skills, but > >> more > >> > like the results of being consitutionally incapable of project > >> monogamy. > >> > >> Same here, which was part of my point. However, you have attempted a > >> wider variety of projects than I have (see below). > >> > >> > Deity help me, a couple of weeks ago, I was encountering my first > >> power > >> > tool (a drill press) in a friend's garage, learning to register > >> soapstone > >> > molds so I can carve the molds and make my own pewter buttons for > >> fitted > >> > gowns. > >> > >> Now anything that requires power tools is a bit farther than I've > >> cared to > >> go! > >> I'm still waffling about using that sheet copper I bought to try to > >> make a > >> Viking style needlecase-and I can do that with only a dowel and a > >> pair of > >> pliers (and maybe crazy glue). > >> > >> > >> > I'd love to hear more about you Lithuanian shawl! > >> > >> One of the things the lands along the Baltic seem to have in common > >> (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, parts of Finland, even Novogorod) is > >> that the > >> rich tended to ornament their clothes by working bronze coils and > >> rings > >> into > >> them. (Most of the 1st-10th c textile finds in those areas have > >> survived > >> because the bronze ornaments preserve a fair amount of the cloth. > >> Since > >> most > >> of the ornamentation was at the edges, you get a good idea of the > >> size of > >> the > >> ornamented items.) > >> > >> Based on where the metal ornaments were found, it appears that there > >> was a > >> standard shawl size (roughly 30 inches by 40 inches). The proper way > >> to > >> do > >> the ornamentation would be to weave the shawl to order, and wrap > >> strips of > >> sheet bronze or bits of bronze wire around certain warp threads as I > >> worked, > >> but I'm not likely to learn how to weave anything bigger than a > >> tablet-woven > >> belt anytime soon. So what I'll probably do is kind of corkscrew > >> pieces > >> of > >> copper wire into already woven wool (I have some nice wool melton cut > >> and > >> fringed for the purpose). Then, I will make smaller coils of copper > >> wire, > >> string them onto a cord, and couch them onto each short end. > >> > >> Raymond's Quiet Press started making the kind of stick pins that (it > >> has > >> been > >> theorized) were used to fasten these shawls. There's a picture of the > >> design > >> here: > >> > >> http://www.quietpress.com/New2004.html > >> > >> (look under "new in October 2004"; it's the left-hand picture, the > >> item on > >> the > >> far right). > >> > >> They were used in pairs, fastened together with bronze chains. The > >> pins > >> attached to them are huge--as big as knitting needles (the same is > >> true of > >> the actual survivals Raymond's model is based upon). > >> > >> Having finally bought myself a pair from Raymond as a birthday > >> present, my > >> theory is that the pins were never meant to go through anything other > >> than > >> the shawl. Once you fasten them to the shawl (I've already tried > >> this) > >> you > >> can take the shawl off and on over your head (really, really > >> carefully, > >> to > >> make sure you don't gouge out your eyes) as a unit, without risking > >> damage > >> to > >> the rest of your body or clothes. > >> > >> I have already finished most of the rest of the costume the shawl is > >> to be > >> worn with. When I finally finish the shawl, I'll put a picture in the > >> MedCos > >> gallery and post the URL to it here. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cathy Raymond > >> > >> "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General > >> Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 16:34:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKYrvt009297 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NKYmSw031153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKYQVk071172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKYPBd078106; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKYLFF078023 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kristinolivia@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so15241nfc for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:34:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=F+JuLT9en7jgnNO+UFJc5I7MBv83uPp6D/UaDTLE/uITl9WSMZaNEZ2YDl//SeBKQgKrshYY8mfcBXEq/hR2LaDaNN4PDgCgH3+aNZ/7Vw8te57HXYUguDWx2+T9osqP50eKwrk3tu8wlC1SnUAMxj0sbSQiIL9uKXEJGmNr6NM= Received: by 10.49.94.19 with SMTP id w19mr785100nfl; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.17 with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33a78bfb0605231334y768986cfs80a3d740a46ce777@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:19 -0400 From: Kristin To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NKYrvt009297 Status: RO Thank you! It's so nice to "hear" other sewers (I don't consider myself a costumer at this point) admire my work. I hope you are doing well after your surgery, Bjarne! Kristin On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi Kristin, > That worked. Oh its lovely. How beautifull you made the quilting, and the > fabric you have for the polonaise, is so lovely. > Thanks for sharing > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kristin" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > I don't know why that happened. Here's the link again: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > > I need to start my own website, instead of just using the Kodak site, but > then it's where I upload my pictures and order the prints. > > > On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. > > I would have loved to see. > > > > Bjarne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kate M Bunting" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > > > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > > > > > Kate Bunting > > > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > > > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > > evening, > > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > > the > > > fall: > > > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 16:38:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKc3oM009475 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:38:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NKbxMo013722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWasT070737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWZxr076603; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NKWRAZ076384 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5AA1D0005 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21690-01 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C94C11D0004 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d701c67ea7$fe01d910$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200605222104.07855.cathy@thyrsus.com><000901c67e62$838eb3a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> <33a78bfb0605230700u6abb2fc6x37ee3f01dcacf8c7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:00 AM Subject: Re: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) We just finished up with some very heavy rains here in Eastern PA... and now it's chilly! A group of us Eastern PA fiber geeks had gotten together on Saturday to dye fabric and fibers, and we were intending to make a felted wool rug--had the frame set up and everything--but it was just too blasted cold to get that wet and messy. Quite annoying, really, I really wanted to learn how to do that! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NL0RTo010239 Status: RO Thank you, Theresa! On 5/23/06, theresathreadgi@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you so much for resending I just thought it was my school > computer being difficult again. The pictures are fantastic you have > done an absolutely lovely job. Again thanks for sharing. > > Theresa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristin > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:50:01 -0400 > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > I don't know why that happened. Here's the link again: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > > I need to start my own website, instead of just using the Kodak site, > but > then it's where I upload my pictures and order the prints. > > On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. > > I would have loved to see. > > > > Bjarne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kate M Bunting" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > > > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the > style. > > > > > > Kate Bunting > > > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > > > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > > evening, > > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on > since > > the > > > fall: > > > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 17:02:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL2S6p010333 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:02:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NL1flO028844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL15fX077033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 15:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL10S7004170; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL0rTq003984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:00:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 70801D42A4; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49533D3FE0 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:00:21 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c67eab$f6528b70$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605231709.k4NH9WEi075288@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] In the spirit of current projects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:02:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44737835.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm working on two new jackets for myself for modern wear, both of which are inspired by historical garments. One is based on a Jacobean style jacket with embroidery design from the Baroque Era, and stitches common to Elizabethan Black-work. The other is based on an early Baroque style men's frock coat, with Baroque embroidery design and stitches. I'm very excited about both and thought I'd share: http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_916.html Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 17:09:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL9q9a010988 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NL9mt3013934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL9A9L078476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 15:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NL96vs012844; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4NL8wA1012628 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCHG8PSAG46MW2 for (sender ); Tue, 23 May 2006 14:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQ379Z44; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:07:58 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:07:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2901093548 X-MAIL-INFO: 25b3eb1f2e3783d3ee33aabe2aea375ef7 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhggEzrG3k73AYBif7SQF35a4= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] in search of a lost person X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:09:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44737A1C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Would the kind individual who wrote me about blackwork please do so again? Your letter was accidentally deleted, for which I apologize. :( Arlys Cley@juno.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 18:29:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NMTM6e014110 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:29:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NMTIB2024228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 18:29:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NMSq5a092911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 16:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NMSmRB095975; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NMSiXa095898 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247fc.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.252]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 92EB78A0022 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:28:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c67eb8$41027480$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c67e7d$219c9700$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><33a78bfb0605230950j460a710dk3291d14d4ebd2096@mail.gmail.com><002b01c67e98$7f0153c0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <33a78bfb0605231334y768986cfs80a3d740a46ce777@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??)bjarnes knee Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:28:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 18:29:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44738CBE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Kristin, Oh thanks for your concern. Yes i am feeling much better now, and i have told my job that i will be back 1st. of june. I remooved my bandages and the knee looks good, but its still a little swollen. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kristin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:34 PM Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) Thank you! It's so nice to "hear" other sewers (I don't consider myself a costumer at this point) admire my work. I hope you are doing well after your surgery, Bjarne! Kristin On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Hi Kristin, > That worked. Oh its lovely. How beautifull you made the quilting, and the > fabric you have for the polonaise, is so lovely. > Thanks for sharing > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kristin" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > I don't know why that happened. Here's the link again: > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q > > I need to start my own website, instead of just using the Kodak site, but > then it's where I upload my pictures and order the prints. > > > On 5/23/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > Why is it that the website tells me the album doesnt excist. > > I would have loved to see. > > > > Bjarne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kate M Bunting" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) > > > > > > > Lovely, Kristin! That flower print fabric is perfect for the style. > > > > > > Kate Bunting > > > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > > > >>>> kristinolivia@gmail.com 23/05/2006 02:21 >>> > > > Well, I haven't had a chance to upload recent pictures until this > > evening, > > > but here's a link to the late 1700's outfit I've been working on since > > the > > > fall: > > > > > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q< > > http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=jq8t100.nqqmx58&x=0&y=-tik0q> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > h-costume mailing list > > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 19:21:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNL6j7016191 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:21:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NNL2mT010278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 19:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNJnP5000837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNJk32045826; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay116-dav9.bay116.hotmail.com [64.4.38.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNJhMe045651 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 May 2006 16:19:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.194.96 by BAY116-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 23 May 2006 23:19:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.194.96] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:19:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:19:47 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2006 23:19:37.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C29E2A0:01C67EBF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] God and fabric stashers.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 19:21:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447398DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NNL6j7016191 Status: RO A fellow stasher shared this with me and I knew some of you would just love it! "I'm this way with fabric: if there are 7 yards or more, it's a sign God loves me. If there are barely 7 yards, it's a sign He loves me so much, He wants me to be frugal with His blessings. If there are only about 5.5-6 yards, it's a sign He loves me so much, He trusts I'll use the creativity He gave me, and cut it very clever. If it's less than 1 yard, it's a sign He wants me to add to my quilt stash. Any way you look at it, He loves me, and I love fabric." Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 19:52:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNqGmO017402 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:52:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NNqCSl027986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 19:52:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNpW6M005108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNpQEl075818; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNpMJn075624 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4a1.7784ed (16087) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed744739fe6373; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:51:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] God and fabric stashers.... 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4NNqGmO017402 Status: RO Perfect- Divine Inspiration! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 23, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > A fellow stasher shared this with me and I knew some of you would just > love it! > > > "I'm this way with fabric: if there are 7 yards or more, it's a sign > God loves me. If there are barely 7 yards, it's a sign He loves me so > much, He wants me to be frugal with His blessings. If there are only > about 5.5-6 yards, it's a sign He loves me so much, He trusts I'll use > the creativity He gave me, and cut it very clever. If it's less than > 1 yard, it's a sign He wants me to add to my quilt stash. > > Any way you look at it, He loves me, and I love fabric." > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 19:57:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNvbLl018033 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:57:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NNupqc001994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 19:57:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNu2Wu005692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 17:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNu03m080272; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:56:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NNttsv080052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:55:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4O1kUC6030998 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 21:46:30 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: OT--the Weather (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:05:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605222104.07855.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000901c67e62$838eb3a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> In-Reply-To: <000901c67e62$838eb3a0$9a5083d1@rmitchellras> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200605231905.50431.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 19:57:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4473A143.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 23 May 2006 8:14 am, Lloyd Mitchell wrote: > Hey Cathy, what end of the state do You live in? We had rain on and off > All last week! (SW Pa.) I live about 25 miles northwest of Philadelphia, so I'm in the far southeastern corner. They promised us that last week would be nearly non-stop rain, but we ended mostly with sunshine anyway. (And drought warnings). :-( > Costume content: Pike Festival (Sorry, National Road Festival) Yard sales > from Addison, Pa. to Ohio line. Found some very nice fabric scraps for > stomacher foundations. Also unusual costume jewelry for period > recreations. Real find re antique children's/infant clothing. > All this between the clouds... Sounds neat, but that end of the state is a 5 hour drive for me, and I haven't had time to make it yet. (I do have friends in Pittsburgh, now, so I do have an excuse to go, at least). :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 20:06:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O06WGU018394 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:06:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4O06S8G031085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 20:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O05csq007076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 18:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O05b6V089145; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O05W2i089037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4O1uBQp031293 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 21:56:11 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When and how did you start making costume? 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Status: RO On Tuesday 23 May 2006 9:13 am, michaela wrote: [snip] > > I'm halfway between:) Physical limitations mean I would dearly love to have > someone else do the hard work for me;) But I'm a stubborn goat and want > things made by myself. I'm not exactly sure why, but I don't want to wear > something someone else made and be complimented about it, egotistical > maybe, more likely the ugly duckling syndrome and never feeling like I grew > into a swan;) On the other hand, I know my shape and what my body will and > will not look good in and it's usually not what someone else wants;) But > that's half design half construction methods. In my case, making it myself often means that it will be made less sturdily than someone else would make it--another reason I would rather buy than sew. That isn't always the case, though, and the process of determining whether I can make a particular item more satisfactorily than I could buy it is, for me, often a source of fun. [snip] > And it wasn't until I got sick that I really got into production and to a > level I consider at least reasonable. Which is perhaps ironic given that I > have a degenerative joint disease and this sewing lark is only going to > last so long;) Or maybe your persistence at doing something you love will help you beat the odds.... Good luck. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 20:55:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O0tSWJ020553 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:55:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4O0tNQJ013337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 20:55:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O0sjZj013604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 18:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O0se26036028; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:54:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O0sbrR035881 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.455.15386b2 (15900) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v109.12) with ESMTP id MAILINID93-3e1c4473aec3c7; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:54:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000201c67eab$f6528b70$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <000201c67eab$f6528b70$6400a8c0@MAIN> Message-Id: <32755638123dfa4d42e57c758fda0eff@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] In the spirit of current projects Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:54:26 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 20:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4473AEFB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4O0tSWJ020553 Status: RO WOW- thanks for sharing. You folks are all so talented! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 23, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > I'm working on two new jackets for myself for modern wear, both of > which are inspired by historical garments. One is based on a Jacobean > style > jacket with embroidery design from the Baroque Era, and stitches > common to > Elizabethan Black-work. The other is based on an early Baroque style > men's > frock coat, with Baroque embroidery design and stitches. I'm very > excited > about both and thought I'd share: > > http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_916.html > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted > cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 21:45:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O1jpZW022021 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 21:45:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4O1jkIX019995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 21:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O1jWfJ020294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 19:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O1jVxd084201; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O1jRXY084064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 19:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4O3a6HK001000 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 23:36:06 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] In the spirit of current projects Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:55:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <000201c67eab$f6528b70$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <000201c67eab$f6528b70$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605232055.26464.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 23 May 2006 21:45:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4473BACA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 23 May 2006 5:00 pm, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > I'm working on two new jackets for myself for modern wear, both of > which are inspired by historical garments. One is based on a Jacobean style > jacket with embroidery design from the Baroque Era, and stitches common to > Elizabethan Black-work. The other is based on an early Baroque style men's > frock coat, with Baroque embroidery design and stitches. I'm very excited > about both and thought I'd share: > > http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_916.html I'm impressed. You do lovely work! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 23 22:11:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O2Bbgh022493 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 22:11:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4O2B2xM027122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 23 May 2006 22:11:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O29q0c022882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 23 May 2006 20:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O29ogY003969; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O29kDT003831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 20:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4O40PEd001566 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:00:26 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) 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Status: RO On Tuesday 23 May 2006 9:55 am, Kristin wrote: > Thank you Catherine, Susan and Kate! > > So if the pattern and colors are okay (but perhaps the scale a bit off), am > I okay for 1770's, or would the dress be a bit earlier? I'm still so new > to this... and my idea was that I'd just go ahead and do it and figure out > what was wrong with it later. I don't have the chronology of styles nailed down in my head for the 18th century the way I do for the Victorian era or for, say, Italian Renaissance. My impression is that your dress is closer to the 1760s, but I could be wrong about that. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 24 03:48:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O7mg3P021814 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 03:48:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4O7mbes010174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 May 2006 03:48:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O7ke8t053988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 May 2006 01:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4O7kcW6062286; Wed, 24 May 2006 01:46:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from seer.dracolore.com (h-67-100-119-212.snvacaid.covad.net [67.100.119.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4O7kWbX062156 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 01:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cilean@DracoLore.com) Received: from Stitch ([192.168.42.1]) by seer.dracolore.com with hMailServer ; Wed, 24 May 2006 00:46:26 -0700 From: "Simone A. Bryan" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] In an ideal "sewing" world.............. 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Status: RO >>Theresa wrote But in the SCA I have many great people who have supported my efforts to learn, and helped me not make a total mess of my projects. So not only would I want the sewing space but to have been introduced to the wonderful world of recreation sooner. << *********** Here Here!!!! If it were not for my wonderous friends? I would be sitting in Faire Garb my entire life! LOL Not that Faire Garb is bad, it is just I wanted the big giant gorgeous gowns that made people swoon. So I am so very glad and happy to have met lovely people in which to play and learn from! Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 24 11:37:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFbHRR004278 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:37:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4OFbBhJ024397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 May 2006 11:37:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFaB73018769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 May 2006 09:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFa1TY062607; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFZuMS062401 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from picmajik@aol.com) Received: from ibm57aec.bellsouth.net ([68.158.137.175]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060524153551.TUYJ27369.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm57aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:35:51 -0400 Received: from debra ([68.158.137.175]) by ibm57aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060524153551.GLMF23598.ibm57aec.bellsouth.net@debra> for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:35:51 -0400 From: "Debra" To: Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:35:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605191802.k4JI2Lnt086671@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] unsubscribe picmajik@aol.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 May 2006 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44747DA7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 2:03 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 425 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: dvd codes (Elizabeth Walpole) 2. Onto Something (Kathy Page) 3. Re: Disaster! (shilo@srclink.net) 4. Re: Onto Something (E House) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:05:26 +1000 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: Re: [h-cost] dvd codes To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <006b01c67b0a$39b01bd0$c5d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > > Yes! > > Mine has 4 more switches left. > > Isn't this all bogus! Just why can't we watch what we want???? Because it means they can cut down competition and therefore make more profit. And why should they care about their customers? :-P Elizabeth ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:25:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page Subject: [h-cost] Onto Something To: Historical Costume List Message-ID: <20060519082520.65672.qmail@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 just not sure what, exactly. I am finally getting around to webbing my Bella Nani documentation. While doing so, several photos I have that didn't make it into the competition paper were being prepped for uploading when it hit me: the pattern on those sleeves were finally familiar. I had recently flipped through several digitised lacemaking and embroidery pattern books. In particular, one German (dated 1527), one Venezia(dated 1561). I noted at the time the repeating knotwork motif that occurs. I have uploaded all these images onto a page: http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/Sleeve_Theory.html Please pardon the margin issues, it's rather late. For whatever reason, 2+2 suddenly added to 4: Veronese was possibly using those pattern books as embellishment inspiration. Some were so close that I could practically say with confidence that was the actual pattern used. I compared the other two with the same sleeve style, and sure enough, they too match with stunning familiarity. I thought perhaps that Veronese had designed some pattern books. It seemed logical, he has a tendancy toward strong architectural environments in his paintings. Upon a very cursory search of the net, there is no known connection between Paolo Caliari and embroidery designs. But... I did find out that his younger brother, Benedetto was the one who tended toward the grandiose architecture in the backgrounds. His sons, Carlo (or Carletto) and Gabriele, along with Benedetto, were all occupied with finishing Paolo's paintings after his death. I have to wonder if these paintings were not done entirely by Paolo himself, but his brother in particular had a hand in designing them, adding into them a geometric, architectural element by using embroidery pattern books? Benedetto in his own right has frescoes attributed to him at Villa Cornaro, and Villa Gradenigo, and shares attribution with Paolo for San Sebastiano, which accounts for each of these common sources. Having taken a look at Carlo and Benedetto's works, there are few differences in style and composition. Maybe this is what accounts for the relative novelty of these paintings? Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eslais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 06:51:30 -0400 From: "" Subject: [h-cost] Re: Disaster! To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Further note on Biz: You can place your project in Biz for as long as you would like. Just swish it gently every so often and change out the water for a fresh solution when it changes color. It can literally soak for a few days without hurting the fabric! Megh E. On Wed, 17 May 2006 12:02 , h-costume-request@indra.com sent: > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:05:29 -0600 >From: "Sue Clemenger" mooncat@in-tch.com> >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Disaster! >To: "Historical Costume" h-costume@indra.com> >Message-ID: bebfa6d8@pavilion> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > .....................There's a fairly common laundry treatment called "Biz" >that you dissolve in hot water and use to soak your items. I put my poor >coif through two separate soaks, and a good wash, and it's almost 100% clear >of the pink stain....................... >Good luck! >--Sue > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 09:51:17 -0500 From: "E House" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Onto Something To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <001201c67b53$b09ed8a0$9000a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yep, that sleeve definitely seems to match the bottom second image on the last row from the patternbooks! But, are you certain that the sleeve is invented? Perhaps the lady's dressmaker is the one with the patternbook. -E House ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 425 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 24 11:51:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFpUu6004566 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:51:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4OFpQe3010307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 May 2006 11:51:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFjSdu020306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 May 2006 09:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFjOEv072953; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OFjFvf072708 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Lkaycelaya@aol.com) Received: from Lkaycelaya@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.278.9c47a25 (3699) for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 11:45:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Lkaycelaya@aol.com Message-ID: <278.9c47a25.31a5d97e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:45:02 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] unsubscribe picmajik@aol.com To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5027 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 May 2006 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447480FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4OHiB68006647 Status: RO There was most likely several of us. Was I one? SCA Blackwork Laurel. Studied for 22 years. On 5/23/06, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > Would the kind individual who wrote me about blackwork please do so > again? Your letter was accidentally deleted, for which I apologize. :( > > -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 24 15:49:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OJnC7U008461 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4OJn70d006935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OJlvHq052815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 May 2006 13:47:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OJlmfg030793; Wed, 24 May 2006 13:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4OJl5wn030241 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 13:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 14DDF387BC for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 14:45:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric question Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:45:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c67e9e$5259d7b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 May 2006 15:49:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4474B8B3.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It looks like it could pass for 1500s/16th century. De -----Original Message----- Hi. I have this brokade wich i told you about before. Its a cotton/rayon dressing brokade. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/brm.htm I noticed a dress in the Dangerous Liasions catalogue, wich looks very similar, in colour and texture. But is this pattern two victorian to use for 18th century? Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 24 21:53:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P1rdVu017499 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 21:53:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4P1rZ4q026836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 24 May 2006 21:53:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P1qvt3003336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 May 2006 19:52:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P1qnsF056861; Wed, 24 May 2006 19:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P1qjhq056806 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 19:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.248.32] (acty3032.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.248.32]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8260D5CBF5 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 21:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44750DDF.9040706@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:52:31 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Biblical weaving References: <003f01c67de7$45255630$b55d8841@yourbes5v9ftq9> <200605222333.56588.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200605222333.56588.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 24 May 2006 21:53:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44750E1F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. There is a Roman poncho (unfortunately dated about the date of the Hogom find) in the University of Pennsylvania Museum. When last I was there it was out of it's case for conservation, but I would suggest that someone there at the Museum could help you out, as they have a large collection of Middle Eastern and Roman era artifacts. Good luck, Mike T. Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: >On Monday 22 May 2006 5:32 pm, Kathy Bone wrote: > > >>Does anyone here have information on the type of material and weave that >>was used during the ministry of Christ? I am particularly interested in >>finding out more about the robe of Jesus that is mentioned in John 19:23. >>I know one type article of clothing worn then was a khiton. However, this >>was Roman garb and I don't know if a Jewish peasant would have wore the >>same thing. >> >> > >However, I read recently in a book on the Hogom find that late in antiquity >(like the 4th c CE, say) cloaks in general were woven to size (usually, a >specifically sized rectangle) throughout what had been the Empire, and were >not cut to shape. It seems likely that that was the practice in Roman areas >in early times as well, since Roman and Greek clothing was not shaped to the >body and thus did not have to be cut if it was woven properly to size. When >Jesus lived, Palestine was a Roman subject state, and probably used a similar >weaving technology. Even if the Jewish subjects used different weaving >techniques, Roman-style cloaks were probably easy to find in all price >ranges. > >I also know that throughout what we now often call the Middle East (such as >Egypt) horizontal looms fastened to the ground were typically used for >weaving, and they could make cloth of practically any width since all you >needed was a few more inches of ground. > >I'd suggest that you look for a good book on the history of looms and weaving >to start with. Good luck. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 00:59:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P4wvwL020714 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 00:59:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4P4wBlM012154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 00:58:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P4vNah024604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 24 May 2006 22:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P4vIJW024437; Wed, 24 May 2006 22:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4P4vEcx024226 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 22:57:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m131.in-tch.com [216.166.191.131]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4P4lIB14134 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 22:47:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 23:04:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 00:58:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44753963.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, cool! There's another one of us! ;o) --sue, who got laureled for blackwork, she thinks (wierd peerage ceremony...what can I say?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person > There was most likely several of us. Was I one? SCA Blackwork Laurel. > Studied for 22 years. > > On 5/23/06, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > > > Would the kind individual who wrote me about blackwork please do so > > again? Your letter was accidentally deleted, for which I apologize. :( > > > > -- > > Aspasia Moonwind > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 06:44:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PAiLOW015641 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:44:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PAiHYu016161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 06:44:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PAhegJ080754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 04:43:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PAhX4W056503; Thu, 25 May 2006 04:43:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PAhRkP056403; Thu, 25 May 2006 04:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d29.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.30]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k4PAhPmB044287; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:43:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 06:35:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4475504A.887.5653AB17@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200605222045.k4MKhAjf097208@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Yippee!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 06:44:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44758A81.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OOOooooh, you got it! Can I come over on Monday? Mary Kate/Ailith said: My copy of Moda a Firenze arrived in today's mail!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 07:51:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PBp3ig028504 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:51:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PBoxqN009697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 07:51:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PBoW1R087445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 05:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PBoTfN016140; Thu, 25 May 2006 05:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PBoQqb015968 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 05:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from rmitchellras [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A9FB01AC; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:50:19 -0400 Received: from 209.131.80.148 ([209.131.80.148] helo=rmitchellras) by ASSP-nospam; 25 May 2006 07:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: <00fc01c67ff1$cfab6540$945083d1@rmitchellras> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000201c67eab$f6528b70$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] In the spirit of current projects Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:53:15 -0400 Organization: Washington & Jefferson College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 07:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44759A23.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I love these pieces. And your descriptions add to the beauty of the items. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 5:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] In the spirit of current projects > I'm working on two new jackets for myself for modern wear, both of > which are inspired by historical garments. One is based on a Jacobean style > jacket with embroidery design from the Baroque Era, and stitches common to > Elizabethan Black-work. The other is based on an early Baroque style men's > frock coat, with Baroque embroidery design and stitches. I'm very excited > about both and thought I'd share: > > http://www.5rivers.org/en-gb/p_916.html > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 08:16:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCG1NU028821 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PCFvMQ003605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCFXPk090117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 06:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCFW7j041786; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCFR1r041620 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:15:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.41c.23b1459 (30740) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <41c.23b1459.31a6f9d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:15:15 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5303 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:16:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44759FFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here is an article about the film--it was booed at Cannes. We Americans will have to wait until October to see it--our European friends will see it sooner. One scene features shoes designed by Manolo Blahnik! Costume designer Milena Canonero (who did "Chariots of Fire" and "Barry Lyndon") "used the 18th century as her inspirational template but then went way contempo." The music is also described, as we discussed when Bjarne showed us the trailer. _http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR20060524028 21.html_ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402821.html) Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 08:35:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCZhW1029153 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:35:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PCZdT1009812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:35:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCZAqO092500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 06:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCZ7DB064944; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PCZ4XF064844 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 06:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55d6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.214]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 49A5B8A0042 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:35:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001101c67ff7$aaacf870$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <41c.23b1459.31a6f9d3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:35:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:35:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4475A49B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Wasnt it also Milena who did the affair of the necklace? I liked her costumes for this, very nice. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette > Here is an article about the film--it was booed at Cannes. We Americans > will have to wait until October to see it--our European friends will see > it > sooner. > > One scene features shoes designed by Manolo Blahnik! Costume designer > Milena Canonero (who did "Chariots of Fire" and "Barry Lyndon") "used the > 18th > century as her inspirational template but then went way contempo." > > The music is also described, as we discussed when Bjarne showed us the > trailer. > > _http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR20060524028 > 21.html_ > (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052402821.html) > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 10:34:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEYlrS031234 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:34:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PEYhlR002051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 10:34:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEWZoa007145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEWSRS082191; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEWOMC082073 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.451.1b7f203 (41811) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <451.1b7f203.31a719eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:32:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 10:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4475C083.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/25/2006 8:35:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Wasnt it also Milena who did the affair of the necklace? I liked her costumes for this, very nice. ************** Yes. Her stuff I find is usually very interesting. Sometimes it works better than at other times. I mean she's got "Barry Lyndon", "Clockwork Orange" and "Titus"... definitely an interesting designer. But there's bound to be a miss somewhere. I love Sandy Powell's costumes too but you also get hits ["Interview with the Vampire", "Shakespeare in Love", "Velvet Goldmine"] and misses ["Gangs of New York"] with her. Both designers like to push the envelope, so to speak. That can be exciting...but dangerous. It's a shame, IMHO, that filmmakers think they have to make Mozart a rock star and Marie a Paris Hilton to make their stories "relevant" for modern audiences. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 10:35:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEZd89031252 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:35:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PEZZ60005705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 10:35:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEXlL7007332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEXkZE083467; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4PEXi7K083300 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCHMSBSAXQAGYS for (sender ); Thu, 25 May 2006 07:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LQ8NFK2H; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:32:38 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 07:28:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Message-ID: <20060525.073134.3672.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-11 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3698179777 X-MAIL-INFO: 09c38a0f47232f2fb3e7438a2f0e5e2e6fbf1a022efb X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgqRtx/mAORBhoWdz8V7BWTI= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4475C0B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 24 May 2006 23:04:42 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" writes: > Oh, cool! There's another one of us! ;o) > --sue, who got laureled for blackwork, she thinks (wierd peerage > ceremony...what can I say?) Pray tell? :-) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 10:49:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEnfQT031576 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PEnbTw012445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PElfx2009043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 08:47:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PEldhO097518; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PElZG6097404 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 08:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11939 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:47:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Thread-Index: AcZ/98pZfOEuy+aESy+1hkmiuJaxJQAEL3NA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4PElZG6097404 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4475C401.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would like to see the film, but living in Omaha, NE, I may have to wait for the video. It may be one of the films I watch just to see where accuracy in history and costuming goes out the window in favor of present-day esthetics. But sometimes those movies are fun, anyway. I did preorder the book about the making of the film from Amazon.com, but wonder now if it will even be published, stateside, if the movie promises to tank. I wonder if the movie will be tinkered with between what was seen at Cannes and what we may see in October. From the brief clips and the online preview it looks as though the costumes are fairly accurate, but amped up in glamour to look attractive to present-day eyes. And, of course, there's nary a speck of dust to be seen! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 13:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PHFXLM001840 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:15:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PHFRuX024115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 13:15:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PHEZsa029664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 11:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PHEU2t049891; Thu, 25 May 2006 11:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PHEQaw049684 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 11:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3FA3CEFF for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 12:14:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4475E5F5.4040603@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:14:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette References: <41c.23b1459.31a6f9d3@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <41c.23b1459.31a6f9d3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 13:15:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4475E62F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Here is an article about the film--it was booed at Cannes. We Americans > will have to wait until October to see it--our European friends will see it > sooner. "I didn't want to do a historical epic," Coppola said ... What she wanted was "an impressionist portrait," a retelling based on Lady Antonia Fraser's best-selling revisionist biography... Well, at least they aren't pretending it's an accurate and true re-telling of the events, like some other films have done. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 15:06:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJ68Le003819 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PJ5JiI019159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 15:05:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJ4SeZ044519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 13:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJ4I3h054193; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4PJ4E6v053939 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006052515040027851 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:04:00 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJ3qvu010575 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 15:05:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4475FFEF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ask museums where they get theirs. Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Silvara Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper coltide.com has them and acid free garment boxes too Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > To: > Date: 5/22/2006 3:47:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper > > I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) and have > found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to store such things in > acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what kind of shops sell such paper. > Any suggestions? > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > Hi Kate. > Here in Denmark we have a nice shop that sells all kinds of papers for > offices, and also arts papers. They carry the acid free tissue paper, so if > you have a shop like that, try and ask them! > You could also try some bookshops, perhaps? > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 15:44:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJiXFJ004692 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:44:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PJiSW4031575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 15:44:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJi4C3049937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 13:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJhkLK092834; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4PJhZo8092574 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28152 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2006 19:43:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Y619MeqzmsEsyYcCfEPWR/wi+s+bHvBNoyAFApL8B5U7j4BEaUtleN2QlQkwRcUnlsucxDR7hKg73bTfYKGNxWY5AuUvVJLtDTYbbK5u9lXuoaxRx1HVQ04I9PiuTSM68atLXAbcJmWEjQ/YXM6MSrHje73rBjpUWaFy6rB5uC8= ; Message-ID: <20060525194329.28150.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 12:43:29 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:43:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 15:44:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4476091C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hiya all. I would like some comments from embroiderers on this list on a book I have made. The pics can be seen in my livejournal http://tania-gru.livejournal.com/ I don't have anyone nearby to talk embroidery with, and would like some feedback and suggestions to improve. Tania --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 16:30:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PKU4M7005647 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:30:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PKTxSx008875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 16:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PKTF3Z055456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 14:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PKTAWr038051; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJM31D070419 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 60164601 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:12:59 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <036001c68030$e14e52f0$6701a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcaALgi7bsKxLCrtScerIX56NsgRQQAArFxg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 174, in=290, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 16:30:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447613C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I order mine from Talas: http://www.talasonline.com/ Be sure and get the Unbuffered. Buffered tissue can cause damage on protein fibers (silk, wool, leather). Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate Pinner Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:04 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper Ask museums where they get theirs. Kate -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Silvara Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 3:52 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper coltide.com has them and acid free garment boxes too Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > To: > Date: 5/22/2006 3:47:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper > > I've been clearing my mother's house (she is now in a nursing home) and have > found some vintage garments. I know you are supposed to store such things in > acid-free tissue paper, but have no idea what kind of shops sell such paper. > Any suggestions? > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > Hi Kate. > Here in Denmark we have a nice shop that sells all kinds of papers for > offices, and also arts papers. They carry the acid free tissue paper, so if > you have a shop like that, try and ask them! > You could also try some bookshops, perhaps? > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 18:07:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PM7idj007959 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 18:07:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PM7eNl015397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:07:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PM2Ia4002356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 16:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PLlUwX013636; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PLlPOb013449 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.443.1c21984 (40520) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 17:47:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <443.1c21984.31a77fe6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:47:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:07:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44762AAC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/25/2006 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: And, of course, there's nary a speck of dust to be seen! *************** And, like with "The Affair of the Necklace"...the anorexic court of Louis XVI. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 18:08:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PM8Nkp007979 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 18:08:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PM8JfE005888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PM2IaE002356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 16:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PLQhC3091995; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PLQdCs091932 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:26:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so22040nfa for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=As3+KdKQZ0e3FmrUoXHv0DDnI0/USHyvfOZAeGpDcfMoNtX8fINvdKubptM3qR+2KcKkYd145+ELdJtGxL1jo2fpaYOjejxQr0ZO9x2OLN7snN9w+loGA+fVpJVJT4irjoSJ2t36ubku95SDj3BOtauv/gXqwvsVnlhxpgvpbh8= Received: by 10.49.54.10 with SMTP id g10mr1078057nfk; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.58.16 with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:26:38 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person In-Reply-To: <004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com> <004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44762AD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4PM8Nkp007979 Status: RO On 5/25/06, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > Oh, cool! There's another one of us! ;o) > --sue, who got laureled for blackwork, she thinks (wierd peerage > ceremony...what can I say?) > > "Blackwork, Lace, Costuming, and a myrid of other things." Some 15 years > ago. And you? > -- > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 18:19:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMJPIl008188 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 18:19:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PMJLYn009187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:19:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMIusw005927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 16:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMIsLp045871; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMIn6G045774 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.180]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DB561FAC026 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 00:18:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001f01c68049$3869bee0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <443.1c21984.31a77fe6@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:18:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:19:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44762D69.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I believe i read somewhere that Marie Antoinette, replaced all her maids of honnour with young and pretty ladys same age as herself, and skipped the oldfashioned and ugly famillies from her court. Many of the old an honnourable famillies was shocked and angry about this, but she really did. Now i dont know if those young new ladies were anorexic, but you are right about it looked a little monotone in the movie. Marie Antoinette herself were not anorexic looking at all, she had a litttle chubby look herself. For those of you who really would like to read a book about her, i warmly recomend to read Stefan Zweigs book "Marie Antoinette" I dont think any have ever got that close to the past as he did with this. Bjarne who often wished he could have ben a fly in her dressing room. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette > > In a message dated 5/25/2006 10:48:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: > > And, of > course, there's nary a speck of dust to be seen! > > > > *************** > > And, like with "The Affair of the Necklace"...the anorexic court of Louis > XVI. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 18:27:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMR72J008316 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 18:27:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4PMR36A015498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:27:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMQplm006964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 16:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PMQnkS053856; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4PMQjhJ053702 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 16:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 23369 invoked from network); 25 May 2006 22:26:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.39 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2006 22:26:38 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060525232426.01e40830@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:26:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In-Reply-To: <001f01c68049$3869bee0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <443.1c21984.31a77fe6@aol.com> <001f01c68049$3869bee0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 18:27:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44762F37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 23:18 25/05/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >I believe i read somewhere that Marie Antoinette, replaced all her >maids of honnour with young and pretty ladys same age as herself, >and skipped the oldfashioned and ugly famillies from her court. Many >of the old an honnourable famillies was shocked and angry about >this, but she really did. >Now i dont know if those young new ladies were anorexic, but you are >right about it looked a little monotone in the movie. >Marie Antoinette herself were not anorexic looking at all, she had a >litttle chubby look herself. >For those of you who really would like to read a book about her, i >warmly recomend to read Stefan Zweigs book "Marie Antoinette" I dont >think any have ever got that close to the past as he did with this. > >Bjarne who often wished he could have ben a fly in her dressing room. There is a supposed bodice of hers in Corsets and Crinolines or Cut of Women's Clothes - too lazy to go and check. And if it really was hers, anorexic she wasn't - well developed is more a phrase I would have used, or Noel Coward's very telling "She's a "Big" girl"! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 21:14:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q1DxHO011249 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:13:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q1DthB025367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 21:13:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q1Cs9c025453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 19:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q1CpSR001828; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q1Cl3t001705 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.279.9886a9a (29678) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:12:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <279.9886a9a.31a7b006@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:12:38 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5303 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 21:13:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44765653.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/25/2006 6:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: "...the anorexic court of Louis XVI. According to the article, at least not Louis himself. He is described as "pudgy," and Jason Schwartzman gained 45 pounds for the role. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 22:16:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2Gmd9012360 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:16:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q2Ghih012287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 22:16:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2Fv1c031456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 20:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2FqUN054256; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2FnHB054214 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so281085wra for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=UQMcl7RMONlXAYKlVL/TTfVfQmypdw73yJ5AeHlIOPXBLoocU1Ny2HkgoJbXFn6DOX+FUA6Fr2MDiN2wditCCj3+Fg/FrQR4o/BN5Vncsq28ZOX7JEbl1szhZzd9ZF0h7u4bx39OBD+7B1EFAtzIK0L5S4a+AfxOir/cUiS2H9s= Received: by 10.64.83.10 with SMTP id g10mr1305512qbb; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c5sm1011600qbc.2006.05.25.19.15.48; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <046201c6806a$563bb4c0$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001f01c67dd2$d714da30$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yippee!! Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 22:16:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4476650B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > My copy of Moda a Firenze arrived in today's mail!!! > > I'm so excited!! There are portraits that I've never seen in it AND > there's a page-sized image of the portrait of Laudomia de Medici as well. Colour? Wow... I've been looking for THAT for years... looked through books and books and books and couldn't find it... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 22:28:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2SXYK012528 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:28:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q2STn5015276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 22:28:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2RidD033130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 20:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2RgdV066213; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2RePQ066148 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so282892wra for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=XgnXkfyt1fJGkS4EJx1HPbUB75Oh20Ocn62OVktZq60N30E4haDyjpbdAkBhlfk8EtP5HLjxzWOUmW+hHsI0Q/6jAXTcYOByXlyupyosOFuSjbZ6Z18k5/Pqf9nIcSrX+nKi1ooVwtlcwVfIrFjjQrdPXYbbSrZB1TVZYEB14p4= Received: by 10.64.241.8 with SMTP id o8mr34132qbh; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e14sm3585569qba.2006.05.25.19.27.38; Thu, 25 May 2006 19:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <04cd01c6806b$fdeb7380$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><200605220001.44231.cathy@thyrsus.com> <33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:27:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447667CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm so very happy to see that I'm not the only one who works on multiple > projects simultaneously. It used to drive my ex nuts... but I guess he > was > never around anyone else who had a creative streak in them! I simply CAN NOT work on only one thing at once. Eventually I get bored and just sit in front of the TV feeling bad about sitting there doing nothing. Or if I'm unsure of how to proceed with a project, I'll need to let it sit for a few weeks. Right now, I'm planning to do my Master's Degree directed work (like a thesis, but shorter) - it's translation work, but I'm translating patterns so it's related. I'm also planning on working with FIMO to do fake ivory (a small casket and a weaving tool). I'm taking Mandarine lessons, reading Chinese books, watching Chinese movies and reading travel guides for a trip in the Fall. I'm still planning to get started on my black Elizabethan some time this summer, I also have to sew a pavillion cover for a lady in our Barony, and I have to make a few basic clothing items such as hose, hoods and wool tunics for cold weather. I'm also doing some cardweaving, knitting a scarf and a pair of socks, working on FIMO jewelry and trying to finish watching the 3rd season of 24 so I can give it back to my friend. I also do archery in my Barony. And I have to make padded bags to store the Baronial thrones. Well... I'm simply not going to be able to finish everything this summer!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 22:56:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2uMrI013074 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 22:56:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q2uIpH021069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 22:56:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2u6Il035778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 20:56:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2u5kg090598; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q2u1bu090536 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m137.in-tch.com [216.166.191.137]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4Q2k8B22149 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:46:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001001c68070$facd7860$89bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060525.073134.3672.3.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:03:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44766E52.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was laureled back when Artemisia was still a fairly young principality in Atenveldt, and with one (very inactive) exception, am actually the "oldest" laurel in the whole state of Montana. Blackwork (and other forms of counted-thread embroidery) grabbed me really, really fast, and a year or so after I first joined, I set out to do what I thought would be a relatively simple project. Clear graphs, basic Holbein stitch, good linen and black silk thread. My first big project, pretty much all self-taught because there just wasn't anyone, for 100s of miles, doing anything even remotely similar. I reproduced the cuffs on the Holbein portrait of Queen Jane. On 60 count linen. And loved it. And have been doing it ever since. At any rate, peerages back then were pretty much all drive-by's, with a little more attention paid to the Chiv. No warning, no special outfits, no vigils, nada. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am...next? sort of thing. The day I got nabbed was at an event with really horrible, muddy weather, and I knew *something* was up, because someone who'd been trying to get my whole name down (spelling and pronunciation) was a little TOO obvious. (My SCA name is in an older form of Irish, and it's long, and pretty unpronouncable to most Sasenachs ;o). Court that night was held in a small building, without electricity, just a few coleman lanterns. My reaction, when I realized it was me, and what they were doing, was pretty much "oh, shit!" (in a nice way). The scroll was a marker-colored photocopy on some sort of dreadful fake parchment, the ink of which ran in the rain that weekend. The king and queen, who happened to be from the Sun and also happened to be the same people who'd given me an AoA a couple of years before, were later banished from the Society. I am moderately sure I'm mostly a blackwork laurel because that was one thing mentioned in the ceremony, although I was really involved in other things as well (late period costuming, primarily, and some cooking). It's just that I'm mostly known for itsy-bitsy blackwork. I adore the simplicity and clarity of monochrome embroidery, and would really love to do some extended research into the various forms it takes in different ethnic groups--contrasting, say, the different styles of early and late 16th century England, with Spanish, and German, and Italian, and French, and all of the loverly, loverly Islamic stuff...*sigh* ;o) I should add, my Pelican ceremony (that's a service award, for you non-SCAers) was even stranger. I seem to attract weirdness. (in a nice way) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person > > > On Wed, 24 May 2006 23:04:42 -0600 "Sue Clemenger" > writes: > > Oh, cool! There's another one of us! ;o) > > --sue, who got laureled for blackwork, she thinks (wierd peerage > > ceremony...what can I say?) > > > Pray tell? :-) > > Arlys > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 23:10:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3ACI9013344 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:10:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q3A8FY024475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 23:10:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q39Uh6038169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 21:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q39TJZ001294; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q39Pwc001166 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m137.in-tch.com [216.166.191.137]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4Q2xSB25058 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:59:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:16:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 23:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44767190.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Blackwork, I think. It wasn't specified. I was also heavily into late-period European costuming and food. These days, it's expanded into lace (a little), various textile arts, early and middle-period European costuming, more food, and in my non-SCA time, a dabble of 18th century costuming, which I'd love to spend more time with, but have no local groups to play with. Oh, and learning to crochet so I can make a Mrs Weasley cardigan. ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person > On 5/25/06, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > > Oh, cool! There's another one of us! ;o) > > --sue, who got laureled for blackwork, she thinks (wierd peerage > > ceremony...what can I say?) > > > > "Blackwork, Lace, Costuming, and a myrid of other things." Some 15 years > > ago. And you? > > -- > > Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 23:15:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3FbXl013440 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:15:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q3FXgs025909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 23:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3FHsh038822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 21:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3FFMI005890; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3FC5r005832 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m137.in-tch.com [216.166.191.137]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4Q35KB26308 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:05:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00bb01c68073$a9b5dbe0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><200605220001.44231.cathy@thyrsus.com><33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com> <04cd01c6806b$fdeb7380$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:22:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 23:15:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447672D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What kind of fimo jewelry are you doing? I've seen some really interesting pieces--the lady on this list who lives in Germany (Dierdre? probably mangling her name...) did some great bits, a while back for a partlet, IIRC. I've always been kind of intrigued with the idea of playing with some of the stuff that's got real metal in it. Would be nice for tokens for tourneys and such.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) I'm also doing some cardweaving, knitting > a scarf and a pair of socks, working on FIMO jewelry and trying to finish > watching the 3rd season of 24 so I can give it back to my friend. I also do > archery in my Barony. And I have to make padded bags to store the Baronial > thrones. > > Well... I'm simply not going to be able to finish everything this summer!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu May 25 23:47:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3l9E8014502 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 23:47:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q3l497016431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 25 May 2006 23:47:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3kKcp041630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 25 May 2006 21:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3kJXg029826; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q3kGpZ029794 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 21:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i5so293737wra for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:46:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=fo2va3rhAZb4GhfT4MHSc7Qggw8Vkk6Nw+GXbiTYNbdBqnCPYJ99VimMpZIu9mSDywU6pQZbgMYxn/Xf7j2ONSDIL06bOPZLLTHx1X6gAjGtDA2G18X2gMX2FWpIB5kKVLHZKAFWmpGQuC0WVdaxbJVWsDFe6/Ak66VyGrqR1VA= Received: by 10.65.95.18 with SMTP id x18mr85924qbl; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q18sm6181qbq.2006.05.25.20.46.15; Thu, 25 May 2006 20:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0b4f01c68076$f9467b80$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060520.081654.3968.0.Cley@juno.com><200605210015.03571.cathy@thyrsus.com><001301c67d52$8c9b0e00$18bfa6d8@pavilion><200605220001.44231.cathy@thyrsus.com><33a78bfb0605221821q1a067819ge717bf31fb9a7a9a@mail.gmail.com><04cd01c6806b$fdeb7380$0302a8c0@p4audrey> <00bb01c68073$a9b5dbe0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: Current projects (was Re: [h-cost] hello out there??) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 23:46:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 25 May 2006 23:47:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44767A39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > What kind of fimo jewelry are you doing? Very modern, bright-coloured stuff, for the moment. I'm planning on doing a few period pieces eventually though. There's a book I've heard about "Make your own antique jewelry" or something similar that I really need to get my hands on at some point. > I've seen some really interesting > pieces--the lady on this list who lives in Germany (Dierdre? probably > mangling her name...) did some great bits, a while back for a partlet, > IIRC. Yes, and it was very, very beautiful. > I've always been kind of intrigued with the idea of playing with some of > the > stuff that's got real metal in it. Would be nice for tokens for tourneys > and such.... Well, for one thing, you need a pottery oven to bake it. Regular FIMO goes in a regular baking oven, but the metal stuff needs much higher temps. And it's far from cheap. If I ever do something of the kind though, I'll most likely make it out of regular FIMO and then use one of the very convincing metallic paints over it, or even real silver or gold foil. Hey, it's a period technique, after all - using foil, I mean, not FIMO :-) > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 05:37:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q9b3gF031401 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:37:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4Q9axGl007769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 05:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q9aKiC070787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 03:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q9aEh4089736; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q9aBSA089633 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 03:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.326.5349c55 (39954) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 05:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <326.5349c55.31a825ff@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 05:35:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: acid free tissue paper X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 05:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4476CC3B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Status: RO I reproduced the cuffs on the Holbein portrait of Queen > Jane. On 60 count linen. Oh my! What was your stitch to ground ratio? And loved it. And have been doing it ever since. > At any rate, peerages back then were pretty much all drive-by's, > with a > little more attention paid to the Chiv. No warning, no special > outfits, no > vigils, nada. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am...next? sort of thing. > The day I > got nabbed was at an event with really horrible, muddy weather, and > I knew > *something* was up, because someone who'd been trying to get my > whole name > down (spelling and pronunciation) was a little TOO obvious. (My SCA > name is > in an older form of Irish, and it's long, and pretty unpronouncable > to most > Sasenachs ;o). Court that night was held in a small building, > without > electricity, just a few coleman lanterns. My reaction, when I > realized it > was me, and what they were doing, was pretty much "oh, shit!" (in a > nice > way). The scroll was a marker-colored photocopy on some sort of > dreadful > fake parchment, the ink of which ran in the rain that weekend. The > king and > queen, who happened to be from the Sun and also happened to be the > same > people who'd given me an AoA a couple of years before, were later > banished > from the Society. How bizarre. I am moderately sure I'm mostly a blackwork > laurel > because that was one thing mentioned in the ceremony, although I was > really > involved in other things as well (late period costuming, primarily, > and some > cooking). It's just that I'm mostly known for itsy-bitsy blackwork. > I > adore the simplicity and clarity of monochrome embroidery, and would > really > love to do some extended research into the various forms it takes in > different ethnic groups--contrasting, say, the different styles of > early and > late 16th century England, with Spanish, and German, and Italian, > and > French, and all of the loverly, loverly Islamic stuff...*sigh* ;o) I'm with you. Blackwork has zip nada zilch to do with my persona, but I love its crispness and surprisingly simple elegance--it's just a matter of breaking down the pattern elements. Have you found any evidence of blackwork (in any permutation) in England prior to the Tudors? > I should add, my Pelican ceremony (that's a service award, for you > non-SCAers) was even stranger. I seem to attract weirdness. (in a > nice way) > --Sue Time for another storytelling. :-) I was Pel'd sitting down (I can't kneel), for "I suffer from a surfiet of height whereas Her Majesty does not." My "circlet" was a beautiful scholar's hood, and Her Majesty had to be able to reach! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 11:23:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFNjhY000330 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:23:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QFNfrT029712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:23:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFNOVG008973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 09:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFNIQt006460; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:Ob1u/JiDix+qZArrHSkfNw9YBq5JLfqv@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFN7Pf006203 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.15] (206-124-5-15.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.15]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k4QFIuH30785; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:18:56 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8512dd428b5939006fa55873aaba02f4@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:23:04 -0600 To: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] online portfolios, resumes, etc X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:23:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44771D7D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I currently have my portfolio online but want to spice it up a little in adding a cover page, photo, other info. Do any of you out there have such online portfolios/resumes that I could look at just for some style suggestions? WHile I am very creative at costuming, I kind of draw a blank at graphic design and could just use some ideas. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 11:34:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFYpWD000673 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QFYkDF000561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFYRfk010545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 09:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFYL9v018485; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4QFYE4H018299 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 92745 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 15:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.39 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 15:34:07 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060526163246.01e39318@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 16:34:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] online portfolios, resumes, etc In-Reply-To: <8512dd428b5939006fa55873aaba02f4@ntw.net> References: <8512dd428b5939006fa55873aaba02f4@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44772016.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 16:23 26/05/2006, you wrote: >I currently have my portfolio online but want to spice it up a >little in adding a cover page, photo, other info. Do any of you out >there have such online portfolios/resumes that I could look at just >for some style suggestions? WHile I am very creative at costuming, >I kind of draw a blank at graphic design and could just use some ideas. > >Sylrog As I am a professional costume maker, I have a web site. www.suziclarke.co.uk Is this the kind of thing you mean? My clever geek son made it for me. (But I can modify it!!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 14:41:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QIfGiY005746 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:41:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QIf8xf018736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 14:41:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QIe08j060138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 12:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QIdtvr008111; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QIdpxX007976 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id t32so251018pyc for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=AHWt6e5kggpuKNFa6ZAWVwf6SUnSSgwKDlYGndHEUF3bwLNPXJdymmTaFNo2EZ/FNuzl78XTTfzqsLhBmk9kPh7ruRsiPHvTteOmhzGJzmUyfgb916uNE5YOy8es9arD7xavYJaf7u36h0uEADN0C1oi3wvVjE2d+Ba/oJsMtB4= Received: by 10.35.81.10 with SMTP id i10mr997342pyl; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.3 with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:39:13 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper - sources MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4QIdpxX007976 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 14:41:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44774BC4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Ask museums where they get theirs. The photo dept at the Smithsonian uses Light Impressions. www.lightimpressionsdirect.com I started buying there for protective sleeves & archival boxes for my large collection of vintage photos and 19th c fashion plates. There's also liner paper & buffered boxes for fabric storage up to quilt sizes. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 15:00:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJ0hPO006129 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:00:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QJ0dw6004833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:00:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJ0Jn1062854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 13:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJ0Gkg029478; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJ07xH029299 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b4.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.180]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A7A0A50044 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:00:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c680f6$a571da10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:00:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric support X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44775057.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I wondered if any have suggestions i could use to "stiffen" a fabric. I am talking about that cotton/viscose damask weawed fabric wich i baught a lot of. It is a little two heavy when draping. I wondered if there might be any fabrics i could use to line it with, to help it get more support. I am planning a francaise dress with this, and thoaght about maybe to use a quilted petticoat over the hip panniers, to hide the sharp edges of the bones. Do you think perhaps a organza fabric would help the fabric to get more body to it? Any other suggestions. I am determined to use this fabric, as i otherwise didnt know what to do with it, and i thoaght it would be a waste, not to use it. Maybe the finished dress would be ok? Its not a big pannier dress, only small hip panniers, inspired by the dress in Dangerous Liasions, the woman playing the harp. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 15:42:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJgn9o006900 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:42:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QJgjKT023007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:42:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJgKMG070342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 13:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJgFUE075761; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJgBqG075602 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BFC1D000E for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18103-10 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 317AB1D0009 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 15:42:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:42:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44775A35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO . > Oh, and learning to crochet so I can make a Mrs Weasley cardigan. ;o) > --Sue Oh, now THAT I want to see!! Crochet is easy. Knitting drives me completely around the bend. I know how to do, but I hate it. It seems to take too long. (Said by the woman whose first crochet project was a filet lace wall hanging, about 15x20, in size 30 thread.) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 15:53:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJrRaH007162 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:53:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QJrNBs021183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:53:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJrBfR071866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJrAZZ087290; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:53:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QJr63X087144 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <2006052619530001400snjpbe>; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:55:02 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> In-Reply-To: <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:53:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44775CB3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh man, I have to totally dissagree with you there! Crochet just makes me feel like a fish in a net! I start off with that wee hook thing and loop it around and I end up tying my toes together... somehow... But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward. I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most people I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who can do both knit and crochet. I do, however, agree with the Mrs. Weasley cardigan. :D Marie > > . > >> Oh, and learning to crochet so I can make a Mrs Weasley cardigan. ;o) >> --Sue > > > Oh, now THAT I want to see!! > > Crochet is easy. Knitting drives me completely around the bend. I know > how to do, but I hate it. It seems to take too long. (Said by the > woman whose first crochet project was a filet lace wall hanging, about > 15x20, in size 30 thread.) > > Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 16:39:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKdMPw008024 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:39:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QKdIhh011472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 16:39:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKd44F078309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 14:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKcxA6034863; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-4.paradise.net.nz (bm-4a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKcWts034594 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-4.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IZW002D1407F6@linda-4.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:38:31 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-24-23.paradise.net.nz [210.246.24.23]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DF14728C1 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:38:30 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:38:29 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person In-reply-to: <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44776745.5090707@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com> <004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 16:39:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44776776.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Marie Schnoor wrote: > Oh man, I have to totally dissagree with you there! Crochet just > makes me feel like a fish in a net! I start off with that wee hook > thing and loop it around and I end up tying my toes together... > somehow... > > But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward. > > I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most > people I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who can > do both knit and crochet. I can. I learned to crochet as a child, but only taught myself to knit a few years ago. Knitting is _so_ much easier to mess up and so much harder to fix when you do. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 16:44:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKi1el008102 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:44:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QKhLNc015590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 16:43:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKgnfb079052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 14:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QKgjkt039097; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4QKgeVF038866 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 98663 invoked from network); 26 May 2006 20:42:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.39 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2006 20:42:21 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060526214031.01e40748@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:42:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting, sewing, tatting was in search of a lost person In-Reply-To: <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com> <004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 16:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44776869.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 20:55 26/05/2006, you wrote: >Oh man, I have to totally dissagree with you there! Crochet just >makes me feel like a fish in a net! I start off with that wee hook >thing and loop it around and I end up tying my toes together... somehow... > >But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward. > >I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most >people I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who >can do both knit and crochet. I do both, but I'm d*mned if I can get my head round tatting. I've got books, diagrams, everything, but I always end up with a knot on the wrong thread. Suzi >I do, however, agree with the Mrs. Weasley cardigan. :D > >Marie > >> >>. >> >>>Oh, and learning to crochet so I can make a Mrs Weasley cardigan. ;o) >>>--Sue >> >> >>Oh, now THAT I want to see!! >> >>Crochet is easy. Knitting drives me completely around the bend. I >>know how to do, but I hate it. It seems to take too long. (Said by >>the woman whose first crochet project was a filet lace wall >>hanging, about 15x20, in size 30 thread.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 17:38:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLcTqc009055 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:38:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QLcPhj030176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 17:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLboKh087656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLbj0A095192; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav7.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLbfPN095107; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:37:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:37:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:37:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: , "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:37:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 21:37:40.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D598C40:01C6810C] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Survey questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 17:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44777551.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4QLcTqc009055 Status: RO Main question is 1. Do you laugh every day? Yes/No 2. How many times a day? 1-5, 5-10 or more 3. Gender? Maler or Female 4. Do you laugh more in a group or alone? 5. How does it make you feel? Happy, Tired, Rejuvinated or other 6. Where do you laugh more: at home or at work? 7. Where are you located? US or Europe or (somewhere else and say where) 8. Do you laugh more with others or at others? (Such as laughing at a = joke or laughing when someone falls down/slapstick comedy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 17:46:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLkL4u009208 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QLkHI2000309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLjhTf088652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 15:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLjXk8002693; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav4.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QLjOKt002494 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 15:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:45:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:45:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:45:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 21:45:20.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFA5BB70:01C6810D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 17:46:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44777729.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Forgot one... 9. Age group: <20, 20-30, 30-40, 40-50, 50+... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Becky" To: ; "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] Survey questions Main question is 1. Do you laugh every day? Yes/No 2. How many times a day? 1-5, 5-10 or more 3. Gender? Maler or Female 4. Do you laugh more in a group or alone? 5. How does it make you feel? Happy, Tired, Rejuvinated or other 6. Where do you laugh more: at home or at work? 7. Where are you located? US or Europe or (somewhere else and say where) 8. Do you laugh more with others or at others? (Such as laughing at a = joke or laughing when someone falls down/slapstick comedy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 18:05:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QM5GqW009435 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:05:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QM5BYd012836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:05:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QM4ucM091134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 16:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QM4t4Y021021; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from linda-1.paradise.net.nz (bm-1a.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QM4pKN020921 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (tclsnelb1-src-1.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.172]) by linda-1.paradise.net.nz (Paradise.net.nz) with ESMTP id <0IZW00KT3801WU@linda-1.paradise.net.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:04:49 +1200 (NZST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (210-246-24-23.paradise.net.nz [210.246.24.23]) by smtp-3.paradise.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8362F1299E18 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:04:48 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:04:47 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44777B7F.1030008@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:05:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44777B97.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky wrote: > Main question is 1. Do you laugh every day? Yes/No > 2. How many times a day? 1-5, 5-10 or more > 3. Gender? Maler or Female > 4. Do you laugh more in a group or alone? > 5. How does it make you feel? Happy, Tired, Rejuvinated or other > 6. Where do you laugh more: at home or at work? > 7. Where are you located? US or Europe or (somewhere else and say where) > 8. Do you laugh more with others or at others? (Such as laughing at a = > joke or laughing when someone falls down/slapstick comedy) > _______________________________________________ > What does this have to do with historic costuming? -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 18:10:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QMAT5O009514 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:10:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QMAQbD014970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:10:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QMACro091896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 16:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QMA9Wg025805; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QM9fdK025628 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 16:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=p39wTcKZwIqFxED2KGf3vV/dW9k8CX1VhSAsaDcMCWui9wZrEWCKS93UcVmyadeQ; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.155.57.104] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FjkV0-0001PC-VY for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: <012101c68111$131eca90$68399b04@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion><013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 18:09:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0b115be592418891fdb0f5dc44670a470d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.155.57.104 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:10:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44777CD2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Marie wrote: > But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward... > I don't know anyone who can do both knit and crochet. I'm with you. I can knit, standing up in the subway even, but I can't crochet worth a damn. I end up with a twisty thing that won't lie flat. Now my grandmother could do both, sort of a human perpetual motion machine. Annual output: 2 sweaters each per son and grandchild, 1 per daughter-in-law and other miscellaneous extended family, plus hats, scarves, and mittens for all, including the crossing guards. And these amazing two-piece dresses for herself that I swear she knitted on toothpicks. The crochet haul included assorted afghans, laces tablecloths, antimacassars and doilies. And she quilted. And sewed. And gardened. And cooked. All day. I learned a lot from her. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 19:37:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QNbDQr013518 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:37:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4QNb9KV032136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 19:37:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QNapSQ004254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 17:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QNak5N001429; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QNafkJ001288 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC271D0005 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01516-06 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B828B1D0004 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003301c6811d$36fb6e80$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion><013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:36:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 19:37:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44779125.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Schnoor" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person . > > I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most people > I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who can do both > knit and crochet. lol...My parents were of the first rock and roll generation, so I was lucky enough to learn to appreciate both Elvis AND the Beatles--my mom adored Elvis, and the first album I remember owning was Beatles 65, though I know we had Monkees albums before that.. I don't know what it is about knitting that bothers me so. I just know it drives me up a wall. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 20:08:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R088bE013964 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:08:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R084sp008912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:08:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R07E3J007504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R07D2B021258; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R077Y2021196 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.246.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.246]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FjmKf-0004sd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:07:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <012101c68111$131eca90$68399b04@HELENPINTO> References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion><013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> <012101c68111$131eca90$68399b04@HELENPINTO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:13:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:08:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44779864.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry to brag on myself, but I can knit AND crochet (if it's very elaborate I'd rather knit, but I've crocheted shawls, tablecloths, bedspreads, hats, and a few ponchos!). Also tat. And quilt. And embroider (although not in the same league with Bjarne and Lorina--hell, not on the same PLANET...). And basic weaving. To put it very oddly, I have polio to thank for many of these skills. That is, when I was a young kid the polio vaccines hadn't been developed yet. Mothers kept their children indoors and quiet during the hottest hours of the summer days--this was the accepted method of prevention. My mother taught me to knit and embroider; my grandmother taught me to crochet. I taught myself to sew the bizarre clothes in which I dressed my dolls. In between, I read Nancy Drew mysteries and dreamed of having a roadster of my own. My girlfriend Joyce learned to tat from her mother in the same circumstances--she gave tatted bookmarks as gifts one Christmas. I loved those long summer days at the time, and wish I could structure my time that way again! (Glad parents don't have to live in dread of their kids' catching polio nowadays, though!) When I was in college everybody knitted, even a couple of the guys. We knit in class, at choir rehearsals, at the movies....that's when I learned to turn cables and found myself in huge demand ("If I buy the wool, would you knit me an Aran Isles sweater?") I pulled an all-nighter once to finish a knitted openwork sweater for a friend who was wearing it with a long skirt to a formal dance. I came into my own as a crocheter while watching the Fischer-Spassky chess match on television one grad-school summer. I didn't learn to tat from Joyce; I taught myself from a book, which is also how I learned to make bobbin lace. Give me a piece of string and I'm happy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 26, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: > Marie wrote: >> But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward... >> I don't know anyone who can do both knit and crochet. > > I'm with you. I can knit, standing up in the subway even, but I can't > crochet worth a damn. I end up with a twisty thing that won't lie > flat. > > Now my grandmother could do both, sort of a human perpetual motion > machine. Annual output: 2 sweaters each per son and grandchild, 1 per > daughter-in-law and other miscellaneous extended family, plus hats, > scarves, and mittens for all, including the crossing guards. And > these amazing two-piece dresses for herself that I swear she knitted > on toothpicks. The crochet haul included assorted afghans, laces > tablecloths, antimacassars and doilies. And she quilted. And sewed. > And gardened. And cooked. All day. I learned a lot from her. > > -Helen/Aidan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 20:26:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0QoON014216 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:26:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R0QkSZ032331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0QQ6X009760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0QNux033349; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav6.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0QLNo033297 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:26:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:26:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44777B7F.1030008@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:26:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2006 00:26:17.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B9A0E00:01C68124] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:26:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44779CC6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO n. I just don't have anyone to ask for my class? So I sent it through the message boards to those people with whom I talk costuming. That's all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adele de Maisieres" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions > Becky wrote: >> Main question is 1. Do you laugh every day? Yes/No >> 2. How many times a day? 1-5, 5-10 or more >> 3. Gender? Maler or Female >> 4. Do you laugh more in a group or alone? >> 5. How does it make you feel? Happy, Tired, Rejuvinated or other >> 6. Where do you laugh more: at home or at work? >> 7. Where are you located? US or Europe or (somewhere else and say >> where) >> 8. Do you laugh more with others or at others? (Such as laughing at a >> = >> joke or laughing when someone falls down/slapstick comedy) >> _______________________________________________ >> > > What does this have to do with historic costuming? > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Habeo metrum - musicamque, > hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? > -Georgeus Gershwinus > ----------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 20:36:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0a547014369 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:36:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R0a1pv002912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:36:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0ZKlu010982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0ZIDu038988; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0ZCGJ038865 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.477.1aad9fe (48600) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:34:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <477.1aad9fe.31a8f8af@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:34:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:36:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44779EF1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:27:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: I just don't have anyone to ask for my class? And what class is that? I think we would have been more receptive to your original message if you had prefaced the survey with, "I have been assigned to give this survey for my class in xxxxx, and I would appreciate it if you could assist me by answering it." Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 20:41:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0f68S014424 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:41:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R0extW029851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:41:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0eUO7011785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 18:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0eRnU042487; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R0eLun042324 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 18:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com) Received: from BOSTONHAHN@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.47b.16af512 (15702) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d40 (mblk-d40.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.224]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID53-3d5644779feef5; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:40:14 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 20:40:14 -0400 Message-Id: <8C84F3D41160DEB-1C44-1F44@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> From: bostonhahn@aol.com References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com> <004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion> <009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> <44775D16.6030609@comcast.net> <44776745.5090707@paradise.net.nz> Received: from 69.160.1.224 by mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.224) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:40:14 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <44776745.5090707@paradise.net.nz> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.224 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4R0eLun042324 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:41:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4477A01C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I guess that us Europeans have it a bit easier. In elementary school 1st grade I learned to crochet. In second grade I learned to knot. We also learned the various embroidery stitches and some sewing. I remember my first crochet project in school was a stuffed elf. The first knitting project was a pair of house slippers with a felt sole we had to saew the knitted upper to. Laster we learned to knit gloes and socks. We crochet doilies and afgans and eve a sweater. My first sewing project was i 5th grade. We sewed a christening gown of all things that was decorated with shadow stitch embroidery. The embroidery is done on the wrong side of the very fine linnen, with bright colors so it shines throughin pastel tones. The sewing was all by hand. I remember my Mom was really upset at the useless Christening gown! Afterall we were only 10 years old! O, I forgot to say I grew up in Germany! Now I live in the States, but I still knit, crochewt, sew, quilt, etc. etc. Sometimes I even read a book while knitting! Hope that does not make me too strange! Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: Adele de Maisieres To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:38:29 +1200 Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Marie Schnoor wrote:  > Oh man, I have to totally dissagree with you there! Crochet just > makes me feel like a fish in a net! I start off with that wee hook > thing and loop it around and I end up tying my toes together... > somehow...  >  > But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward.  >  > I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most > people I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who can > do both knit and crochet.    I can. I learned to crochet as a child, but only taught myself to knit a few years ago. Knitting is _so_ much easier to mess up and so much harder to fix when you do.    -- Adele de Maisieres    -----------------------------  Habeo metrum - musicamque,  hominem meam. Expectat alium quid?  -Georgeus Gershwinus  -----------------------------    _______________________________________________  h-costume mailing list  h-costume@mail.indra.com  http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume  _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 22:29:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2TGD7016124 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:29:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R2TAut021527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 22:29:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2SDqB024909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2S7hY019746; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2S3mU019688 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7F373630072; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:22:43 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Yippee!! 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Status: RO How much does the book cost and where did you get it? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:16 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yippee!! > My copy of Moda a Firenze arrived in today's mail!!! > > I'm so excited!! There are portraits that I've never seen in it AND > there's a page-sized image of the portrait of Laudomia de Medici as well. Colour? Wow... I've been looking for THAT for years... looked through books and books and books and couldn't find it... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 22:39:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2dLtP016262 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:39:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R2dHLx026317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 22:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2ctaR026122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 20:38:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2cs36030244; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2cpjJ030198 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA7C8CF054C; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:33:32 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:39:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-reply-to: <8C84F3D41160DEB-1C44-1F44@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO My senior year in high school I took a textile arts class. We did embroidery, appliqué, netting, spinning, natural dyeing, and weaving. It was a great class. I still have and use the shawl I wove. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of bostonhahn@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 5:40 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person I guess that us Europeans have it a bit easier. In elementary school 1st grade I learned to crochet. In second grade I learned to knot. We also learned the various embroidery stitches and some sewing. I remember my first crochet project in school was a stuffed elf. The first knitting project was a pair of house slippers with a felt sole we had to saew the knitted upper to. Laster we learned to knit gloes and socks. We crochet doilies and afgans and eve a sweater. My first sewing project was i 5th grade. We sewed a christening gown of all things that was decorated with shadow stitch embroidery. The embroidery is done on the wrong side of the very fine linnen, with bright colors so it shines throughin pastel tones. The sewing was all by hand. I remember my Mom was really upset at the useless Christening gown! Afterall we were only 10 years old! O, I forgot to say I grew up in Germany! Now I live in the States, but I still knit, crochewt, sew, quilt, etc. etc. Sometimes I even read a book while knitting! Hope that does not make me too strange! Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: Adele de Maisieres To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:38:29 +1200 Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Marie Schnoor wrote:  > Oh man, I have to totally dissagree with you there! Crochet just > makes me feel like a fish in a net! I start off with that wee hook > thing and loop it around and I end up tying my toes together... > somehow...  >  > But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward. >  > I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most > people I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who can > do both knit and crochet.   I can. I learned to crochet as a child, but only taught myself to knit a few years ago. Knitting is _so_ much easier to mess up and so much harder to fix when you do.    -- Adele de Maisieres    -----------------------------  Habeo metrum - musicamque,  hominem meam. Expectat alium quid?  -Georgeus Gershwinus  -----------------------------    _______________________________________________  h-costume mailing list  h-costume@mail.indra.com  http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume  _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri May 26 23:23:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R3N071016827 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 23:23:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R3MucK022422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 26 May 2006 23:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R3MdI3031043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 21:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R3Mb9q070562; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R3MXpR070491 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-04 ([10.24.12.14]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R3MWo7024080 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 23:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from columbus.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IZW001N7MPKCW@ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 26 May 2006 23:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.24.12.108] (Forwarded-For: [66.64.128.107]) by ms-mss-04.columbus.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 26 May 2006 23:22:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 23:22:32 -0400 From: ailith@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Yippee!! 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Status: RO I got it at a very special price. A friend got them from someone in Houston and then sold me a copy for what she paid, so it was a good deal less than what the book's currently going for. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" Date: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:33 pm Subject: RE: [h-cost] Yippee!! To: 'Historical Costume' > How much does the book cost and where did you get it? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:16 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Yippee!! > > > > My copy of Moda a Firenze arrived in today's mail!!! > > > > I'm so excited!! There are portraits that I've never seen in it AND > > there's a page-sized image of the portrait of Laudomia de Medici > as well. > > Colour? Wow... I've been looking for THAT for years... looked > through books > and books and books and couldn't find it... > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h- > costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 00:07:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R47dea017567 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:07:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R47Yr3003928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 00:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R47ALB035956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 26 May 2006 22:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R477xj010735; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav9.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R472Ln010661 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:07:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:07:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <477.1aad9fe.31a8f8af@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 00:06:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2006 04:07:00.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[012B88A0:01C68143] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 00:07:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4477D086.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am taking an online class where the only time I see the other students in the class is aset test time and maybe not even then for the times are over 3 days. test takers come whenever they want to, because the time is under a proctored examinator. I met 5 last night at orientation. The others that could not be there can review the taped session at the HACC library here is Harrisburg area. I received my syllabus yesterday and within it's lists is the assignment of this survey. TO ask a question that can be answered with yes or not, then other related information to use as graphed or plotted points to find certain information that will lead to the locabulary words of the textbook. It is to teach us how to apply some of this new information as well as show us why it is used. I'm sorry if such a online discussion question offends you. I thought the formum would be an open discussion area since I've seen unrelated messages and topics before this. Reply only if you wish to. Nothing is required, just volunteer. All information is confidential and names are not important for the plotting of this data gathering assignment. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions > > In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:27:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: > > I just don't have anyone to ask for my class? > > > And what class is that? I think we would have been more receptive to > your > original message if you had prefaced the survey with, "I have been > assigned to > give this survey for my class in xxxxx, and I would appreciate it if you > could assist me by answering it." > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 08:29:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCTeX1030863 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:29:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RCTa7m017586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCSv4Z000378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 06:28:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCSoHa027498; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [66.94.32.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R145fn057628 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from DrJksnSgy@ttlc.net) Received: from [206.15.138.12] [206.15.138.12] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A57E7C540290; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <4477A57C.3040206@ttlc.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:03:56 -0400 From: Dot + Lee Fisher User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 18cWoman@yahoogroups.com, 19cWoman@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Current projects X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44784630.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Seems like a bunch of the lists I'm on have a thread going about current projects. So thanks to all of you who answered my plea for some sort of idea of what to charge for contract work. Well, I'm now under contract to do a bunch of 20th century sewing, 1919, 1943, and early 1950's. Thank heavens it's in an era where it is mainly machine work, since it needs to be done by July 10. I think it is wild that I'll probably be getting more money for this than if I was still on wages. The explanation is that the museum can take the money from a different pot, one that couldn't have been used for wages. Oh the craziness of restricted funds. What really gets me is that I think this was the plan from the very beginning. Dot Fisher Now self employed, working for her former employer Strawbery Banke Museum _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 08:32:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCWjKJ030983 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:32:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RCWfE2019506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:32:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCWUbF002104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 06:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCWUIb031098; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R2YbmT026183 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 20:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A97D80B80338; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:29:17 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:34:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c68136$1fdf41e0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO A teacher at my kids' school had ALL her 7-8 graders doing a fabric project for a local shelter- either knitting, crocheting or quilting. And all the kids got into it. It was great seeing those tall, lanky 8th grade boys with their knitting. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 5:14 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Sorry to brag on myself, but I can knit AND crochet (if it's very elaborate I'd rather knit, but I've crocheted shawls, tablecloths, bedspreads, hats, and a few ponchos!). Also tat. And quilt. And embroider (although not in the same league with Bjarne and Lorina--hell, not on the same PLANET...). And basic weaving. To put it very oddly, I have polio to thank for many of these skills. That is, when I was a young kid the polio vaccines hadn't been developed yet. Mothers kept their children indoors and quiet during the hottest hours of the summer days--this was the accepted method of prevention. My mother taught me to knit and embroider; my grandmother taught me to crochet. I taught myself to sew the bizarre clothes in which I dressed my dolls. In between, I read Nancy Drew mysteries and dreamed of having a roadster of my own. My girlfriend Joyce learned to tat from her mother in the same circumstances--she gave tatted bookmarks as gifts one Christmas. I loved those long summer days at the time, and wish I could structure my time that way again! (Glad parents don't have to live in dread of their kids' catching polio nowadays, though!) When I was in college everybody knitted, even a couple of the guys. We knit in class, at choir rehearsals, at the movies....that's when I learned to turn cables and found myself in huge demand ("If I buy the wool, would you knit me an Aran Isles sweater?") I pulled an all-nighter once to finish a knitted openwork sweater for a friend who was wearing it with a long skirt to a formal dance. I came into my own as a crocheter while watching the Fischer-Spassky chess match on television one grad-school summer. I didn't learn to tat from Joyce; I taught myself from a book, which is also how I learned to make bobbin lace. Give me a piece of string and I'm happy! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 26, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Helen Pinto wrote: > Marie wrote: >> But knitting, that's orderly and straightforward... >> I don't know anyone who can do both knit and crochet. > > I'm with you. I can knit, standing up in the subway even, but I can't > crochet worth a damn. I end up with a twisty thing that won't lie > flat. > > Now my grandmother could do both, sort of a human perpetual motion > machine. Annual output: 2 sweaters each per son and grandchild, 1 per > daughter-in-law and other miscellaneous extended family, plus hats, > scarves, and mittens for all, including the crossing guards. And > these amazing two-piece dresses for herself that I swear she knitted > on toothpicks. The crochet haul included assorted afghans, laces > tablecloths, antimacassars and doilies. And she quilted. And sewed. > And gardened. And cooked. All day. I learned a lot from her. > > -Helen/Aidan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 08:35:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCZZ7e031063 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:35:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RCZW7v020242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:35:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCZGdI003139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 06:35:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCZGkf033648; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R746Kj065779 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.46f.1b3b101 (29678) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:03:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <46f.1b3b101.31a953db@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 03:03:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric support To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:35:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44784794.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Silk organza would be the classic fabric to use if you want the top fabric to have more body, (due to it's static retention, it sticks to the outer fabric of its own accord). Don't think it works with the synthetic stuff. A quilted peticoat would work well to prevent boning coming through (my pockets are quilted and hide all the bumps from the stuff I fill them with brilliantly) - though you might need to test out different weights of quilting - obviously, if very light the hoops might still show - if very heavy it might make the hoops droop. An extra petticoat made up of layers of cotton voile or muslin, underneath the skirts would work too - a bit like a layered victorian petticoat. (although this wouldn't be historically correct for C18th as far as I know, it does work). Debs In a message dated 5/27/06 1:27:34 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 21:00:20 +0200 > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Subject: [h-cost] fabric support > To: > Message-ID: <002001c680f6$a571da10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > I wondered if any have suggestions i could use to "stiffen" a fabric. I am > talking about that cotton/viscose damask weawed fabric wich i baught a lot > of. > It is a little two heavy when draping. I wondered if there might be any > fabrics i could use to line it with, to help it get more support. > I am planning a francaise dress with this, and thoaght about maybe to use a > quilted petticoat over the hip panniers, to hide the sharp edges of the > bones. > Do you think perhaps a organza fabric would help the fabric to get more body > > to it? > Any other suggestions. > I am determined to use this fabric, as i otherwise didnt know what to do > with it, and i thoaght it would be a waste, not to use it. Maybe the > finished dress would be ok? > Its not a big pannier dress, only small hip panniers, inspired by the dress > in Dangerous Liasions, the woman playing the harp. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 08:38:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCbxpJ031140 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:37:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RCbtcZ020923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:37:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCbhVi003937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 06:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCbhJg035868; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4R7HkUS076342 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.450.1f69b31 (29678) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:17:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <450.1f69b31.31a95713@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 03:17:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitting, sewing, tatting was in search of a lost person To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44784823.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My Nana could knit and crochet (and was the best dressmaker *and* tailor I've ever seen, as well as being an incredible cook and baker - aren't some people just annoyingly talented??!!) My mother, although useless at sew-y things (she broke sewing machines) could knit and crochet without having to really think about either. Personally I'm useless at knitting and crochet. (Am *slowly* teaching myself to knit, and have just about got casting on and plain stitch and a couple of others sorted. Haven't yet worked out casting off yet though, as am not up to there yet!) Oh, and I like the beatles and elvis (which comes from dad being beatles fan, and mother being obsessed with elvis). Debbie In a message dated 5/27/06 1:27:34 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I always say, it's like being a Beatles fan or and Elvis fan; most > >people I know are either one or the other. I don't know anyone who > >can do both knit and crochet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 08:40:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCeouW031201 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 08:40:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RCekqc011335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:40:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCeZHg005029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 06:40:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RCeYON038415; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4R86JU5013499 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 02:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59691 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2006 08:06:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iEOH/XtNurOHGvzjd2x66abVHGgWcB7eyDd7qEMq3KpNhxUxwaBvt4JmPik0y89jJPHjL8iig9N+PCJ59EgqsdYOYlvcua6vI5z6Bko/vRk0kJUBUKzWkOl7h2sdxzn7fXvvBqynUY6E8L2ACnbBXH5EhhvEnOrXJdjZ457TRHI= ; Message-ID: <20060527080613.59689.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2006 01:06:13 PDT Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 01:06:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 08:40:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447848CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Becky. The problem was not asking the questions. The problem was that you did not start off by explaining what the questions are for and an explanation of how they would be used. Unrelated messages on this list are usually an offspring of a costume discussion. I dont think Ann had any problem with the survey either, except for the fact that it appeared without explanation and purpose and totally unrelated to the discussions. When you do surveys like this, you really need to write a synopsis of "what is the purpose with this survey" " How will the information be used" and "In what context will the information be used". Sorry to be a little pedantic here, but I have had statistics at college and my professor was very strict with the "design" of the inquiry. Tania Becky wrote: I am taking an online class where the only time I see the other students in the class is aset test time and maybe not even then for the times are over 3 days. test takers come whenever they want to, because the time is under a proctored examinator. I met 5 last night at orientation. The others that could not be there can review the taped session at the HACC library here is Harrisburg area. I received my syllabus yesterday and within it's lists is the assignment of this survey. TO ask a question that can be answered with yes or not, then other related information to use as graphed or plotted points to find certain information that will lead to the locabulary words of the textbook. It is to teach us how to apply some of this new information as well as show us why it is used. I'm sorry if such a online discussion question offends you. I thought the formum would be an open discussion area since I've seen unrelated messages and topics before this. Reply only if you wish to. Nothing is required, just volunteer. All information is confidential and names are not important for the plotting of this data gathering assignment. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions > > In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:27:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: > > I just don't have anyone to ask for my class? > > > And what class is that? I think we would have been more receptive to > your > original message if you had prefaced the survey with, "I have been > assigned to > give this survey for my class in xxxxx, and I would appreciate it if you > could assist me by answering it." > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 09:47:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDlWcv002122 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:47:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RDlSFF030944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 09:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDl1aG017565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 07:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDkviZ098180; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDkrWm098095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.20] (pool180-190.patriot.net [209.249.180.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k4RDkaI7006842 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:46:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:46:21 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Multiple textile techniques... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 09:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44785870.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I learned to crochet first when I was little, and discovered it was very easy to shape it various ways. I was actually resistant to knitting, because at the time it was not as interesting. I remember a Girl Scout troop project (I was about 9), knitting scarves. They only showed us garter stitch, and the girls who already knew how to knit got smaller needles. I know now they were keeping it very simple for the whole group, but it was torture doing the same thing over and over and over! I got over that, and I enjoy knitting. I haven't crocheted in years, but I still can if I want to. A friend has been trying to teach her daughter to knit (she's 8), and I may suggest crochet first for her. It's a lot more instant gratification, useful for those with a small attention span. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 09:55:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDtJK0002247 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:55:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RDtFQg009823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 09:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDss35018798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 07:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDsrOn005980; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay110-dav17.bay110.hotmail.com [65.54.229.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDslLP005866 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 May 2006 06:54:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.254.124.168 by BAY110-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:54:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.254.124.168] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060527080613.59689.qmail@web31911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:54:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2006 13:54:47.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DD33910:01C68195] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 09:55:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44785A43.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I did on the first submission but it came back So I cut it shorter. Like I said, this is my first assignment and it was a broad issue with little specifics except a question that cam be answered yes/no. So I'm learning how to ask a question as well as how to gather data. It's a learning experience. It's all done now. As far as off-topic, I've seen several that were not far from this so I thought it would be fine to ask on this board. I'll limit my responses to costuming from now on. I'll ask if anyone wants to help, then send it privately. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions > Hi Becky. > The problem was not asking the questions. The problem was that you did > not start off by explaining what the questions are for and an explanation > of how they would be used. > Unrelated messages on this list are usually an offspring of a costume > discussion. > I dont think Ann had any problem with the survey either, except for the > fact that it appeared without explanation and purpose and totally > unrelated to the discussions. > When you do surveys like this, you really need to write a synopsis of > "what is the purpose with this survey" " How will the information be used" > and "In what context will the information be used". > Sorry to be a little pedantic here, but I have had statistics at college > and my professor was very strict with the "design" of the inquiry. > > Tania > > Becky wrote: > I am taking an online class where the only time I see the other students > in > the class is aset test time and maybe not even then for the times are over > 3 > days. test takers come whenever they want to, because the time is under a > proctored examinator. I met 5 last night at orientation. The others that > could not be there can review the taped session at the HACC library here > is > Harrisburg area. > I received my syllabus yesterday and within it's lists is the assignment > of > this survey. TO ask a question that can be answered with yes or not, then > other related information to use as graphed or plotted points to find > certain information that will lead to the locabulary words of the > textbook. > It is to teach us how to apply some of this new information as well as > show > us why it is used. > I'm sorry if such a online discussion question offends you. I thought the > formum would be an open discussion area since I've seen unrelated messages > and topics before this. Reply only if you wish to. Nothing is required, > just > volunteer. All information is confidential and names are not important for > the plotting of this data gathering assignment. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 8:34 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Survey questions > > >> >> In a message dated 5/26/2006 8:27:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: >> >> I just don't have anyone to ask for my class? >> >> >> And what class is that? I think we would have been more receptive to >> your >> original message if you had prefaced the survey with, "I have been >> assigned to >> give this survey for my class in xxxxx, and I would appreciate it if you >> could assist me by answering it." >> >> Ann Wass >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just > 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 12:55:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RGtpgX008958 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:55:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RGtlGi024177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 12:55:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RGsW0T043030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 10:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RGsQAR066962; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RGsLaA066891 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 10:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.176] (pm5-176.eos.net [205.133.149.176]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k4RGsJUl011434 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:54:20 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 12:41:03 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200605270806.k4R86OUJ013619@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: knit and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 12:55:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44788493.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ??? I don't understand the problem here. I can knit and crochet (and quilt and embroider), and I could both knit and crochet when I was a child. My grandmother taught me -- my mother taught me to hook rugs and needlepoint and cross stitch. This was long after polio, but I was a crafty kid (I also learned macrame and tons of other crafts). I did a couple of crocheted afghans when I was around 12, and lots of knitted scarves and things (I wasn't interested enough in knitting to learn to make sweaters). Knitting and crocheting are both very simple. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 13:15:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RHFLN6009282 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:15:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RHFHDW028215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 13:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RHF6lC046290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 11:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RHF4B6086731; Sat, 27 May 2006 11:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net (smtp1.suscom.net [64.78.119.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RHF0iG086593 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 11:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0EE01D0004 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10909-08 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp1.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 81DD81D0002 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007c01c681b1$110c96b0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Multiple textile techniques... Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:14:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 13:15:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44788925.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > A friend has been trying to teach her daughter to knit (she's > 8), and I may suggest crochet first for her. It's a lot more instant > gratification, useful for those with a small attention span. grins..yup, that's why I like it so much! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 14:51:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RIp25W012016 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:51:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RIowfv008108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 14:51:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RIoV0i057864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 12:50:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RIoNOR067636; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:50:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RIoJjR067550 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 12:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 83AD636AD6 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:50:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:50:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Procedures was: Survey questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 14:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44789F92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Becky, What is trying to be conveyed is a procedure in off topic posting. Off topic posts are not banned. When posting a non costume related topic it is appropriate to place in the subject heading "OT" for off topic posts (even the old timers forget this once in a while). Then in the post, a simple explanation of what is going on, example: "I have this class in .... and I need input and I don't have access to many people so I was hoping some here would be kind enough to help me with this" and then post the questions. An explanation helps us determine whether we are looking at SPAM or an actual request from a member. When I read your post/questionnaire I thought it was SPAM so I immediately deleted it. Hope this explains that we are not saying you should not have posted the OT, just that you needed a little more to help us identify what we were reading. De -----Original Message----- "I'm sorry if such a online discussion question offends you. I thought the formum would be an open discussion area since I've seen unrelated messages and topics before this. " "I thought it would be fine to ask on this board. I'll limit my responses to costuming from now on. " _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 15:07:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RJ7KxG012338 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 15:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4RJ7Ffp027465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 15:07:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RJ63r8059633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 13:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RJ62od079526; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RJ5wjL079442 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 13:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0564A36AD6 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 14:05:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: knit and crochet Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 14:06:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 15:07:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4478A363.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO People's minds are not programmed in the same way. I can do okay knitting, not very good at all with crocheting, I can do real good beadwork. My sister is excellent in knitting and crocheting but can't do beadwork. She is an excellent sewer but has problems with being creative with designs. I am not an excellent sewer but I sew well and can be creative with designs. Example: When my sister was trying on her wedding dress which had a Edwardian style to it, she was dreading the loop on the wrist for the train. I immediately saw that you could place buttons under a strip of lace and strategic loops on the train and pull up the train into a bustle look. Give my sister a pattern she will alter it to fit and sew it like it looks on the cover. She is a left brain person and I am a mostly right brained person. :) De -----Original Message----- ??? I don't understand the problem here. I can knit and crochet (and quilt and embroider), and I could both knit and crochet when I was a child. My grandmother taught me -- my mother taught me to hook rugs and needlepoint and cross stitch. This was long after polio, but I was a crafty kid (I also learned macrame and tons of other crafts). I did a couple of crocheted afghans when I was around 12, and lots of knitted scarves and things (I wasn't interested enough in knitting to learn to make sweaters). Knitting and crocheting are both very simple. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat May 27 21:51:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4S1piIq019378 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:51:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4S1pdKl015213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 27 May 2006 21:51:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4S1pAuR008201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 27 May 2006 19:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4S1p5Vv035096; Sat, 27 May 2006 19:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4S1p1kx035028 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 19:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l37so0nfc for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 18:51:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pi6cyadplrzSXM8pcCS0/O9Z4kPAuedHlfhjwakc4anRhMlpxWCMsuGbfzmDLbqiGry+azrwzhcVIN4VlINVbddbgNaYW7RmDfz/7xRw7SBw9DvYofvDiFFOsuk8PNyO0daRKftrjvQ4SUUwE2Ntrp9Oa4voYpE0eQH2ivtyqWU= Received: by 10.48.208.8 with SMTP id f8mr691266nfg; Sat, 27 May 2006 18:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.231.1 with HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2006 18:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070605271851x4095ce2ege8c1ba4fc8e53e60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 21:51:01 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] online portfolios, resumes, etc In-Reply-To: <8512dd428b5939006fa55873aaba02f4@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <8512dd428b5939006fa55873aaba02f4@ntw.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4S1p1kx035028 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 27 May 2006 21:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4479022B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Sylvia, I have been working on an on-line portfolio, organised by era, with a thumbnails page: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/Dress.html The pictures are clickable and take you to a more detailed page for each period; eventually I hope to have individual pages for each outfit, but so far I've only done that for 1 dress. http://www.vintagevictorian.com/Dress_95_Idy.html There are just not enough hours in the day. I am so torn between wanting to add more and more to my website and wanting/needing to make clothing. I don't know what my boys are going to wear in the parade on Monday. I am finding it really hard to balance the two. And my housekeeping is definitely suffering..:~P Katy On 5/26/06, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I currently have my portfolio online but want to spice it up a little > in adding a cover page, photo, other info. Do any of you out there > have such online portfolios/resumes that I could look at just for some > style suggestions? WHile I am very creative at costuming, I kind of > draw a blank at graphic design and could just use some ideas. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 28 08:38:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SCcPaO010901 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 08:38:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4SCcLGu004034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 May 2006 08:38:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SCbkfS005572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 May 2006 06:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SCbfQ7024779; Sun, 28 May 2006 06:37:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SCbaKc024685 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 06:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247d6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.214]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A3945FAC026 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 14:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801c68253$8c241830$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46f.1b3b101.31a953db@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric support Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:37:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 May 2006 08:38:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447999BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Debs. Thanks for your reply. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric support > Silk organza would be the classic fabric to use if you want the top fabric > to > have more body, (due to it's static retention, it sticks to the outer > fabric > of its own accord). Don't think it works with the synthetic stuff. > > A quilted peticoat would work well to prevent boning coming through (my > pockets are quilted and hide all the bumps from the stuff I fill them with > brilliantly) - though you might need to test out different weights of > quilting - > obviously, if very light the hoops might still show - if very heavy it > might make > the hoops droop. > > An extra petticoat made up of layers of cotton voile or muslin, underneath > the skirts would work too - a bit like a layered victorian petticoat. > (although > this wouldn't be historically correct for C18th as far as I know, it does > work). > > Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 28 14:07:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SI7TC4017119 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 14:07:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4SI7P1t028605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 May 2006 14:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SI6mmw059907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 May 2006 12:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SI6idc040384; Sun, 28 May 2006 12:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SI6fBH040334 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 12:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f554e.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.78]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6805B8A0026 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:06:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:06:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 May 2006 14:07:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4479E6DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have an original embroidery pattern for a ladys stomacher made with the whitework tecknique. Also a ladys cape. The patterns comes from a collection at Nordiska Museum in Stockholm, where they belonged to a lady called Beata Jacquette Ribbing. She lived in the first half of the 18th century, so my guess would be these patterns being made between 1730- 50. I have made a high resolution scanning of the patterns, and i could blow them up to normal size without problems. They are insane beautifull, and especially the stomacher it is possible to rekonstrukt. The pattern of the cape needs to be rekonstrukted in some of the areas, but with patience and skill its possible. If anyone is interrested, i would not mind to post it to my website, so that you could copy it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 28 20:16:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0GSp5024600 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:16:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4T0GOEh006239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 May 2006 20:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0Fb0N003705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 May 2006 18:15:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0FUFM047944; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0FQHT047827 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060529001521.ZSQZ15470.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:15:21 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c682b4$f4525b40$0300a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcaCgjOeEmav4r9FSe2VOgwXwk7GhQACpRXA In-Reply-To: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 May 2006 20:16:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447A3D58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would LOVE to see the stomacher. Thanks, Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.3/350 - Release Date: 5/28/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun May 28 20:54:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0s4MN025778 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:54:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4T0s02e012965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 28 May 2006 20:54:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0rihu008912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 28 May 2006 18:53:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T0riPT077791; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:53:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4T0re4t077681 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13622 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2006 00:53:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cmMJmPlJt+TJC4xCq/cjtyE7lh/tp5O9MlKXeD8Lq9VqUpK1m5PzhRp03w2sEeerFBlMtaZ6a0eNaEyEFnj/a6M8hcojanTtAvfquxD/nCdzUND6SjAurQjc1/i6azpYUAFOM49tcLfDsROpeFFtkziQ+SxQ3CqKbkYDBfGXV/M= ; Message-ID: <20060529005334.13620.qmail@web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.111.195.188] by web31012.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:53:34 PDT Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 28 May 2006 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447A4628.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh yes, please! Thanks Bjarne :) Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: I have an original embroidery pattern for a ladys stomacher made with the whitework tecknique. Also a ladys cape. The patterns comes from a collection at Nordiska Museum in Stockholm, where they belonged to a lady called Beata Jacquette Ribbing. She lived in the first half of the 18th century, so my guess would be these patterns being made between 1730- 50. I have made a high resolution scanning of the patterns, and i could blow them up to normal size without problems. They are insane beautifull, and especially the stomacher it is possible to rekonstrukt. The pattern of the cape needs to be rekonstrukted in some of the areas, but with patience and skill its possible. If anyone is interrested, i would not mind to post it to my website, so that you could copy it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 05:48:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T9mVat015072 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 05:48:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4T9mRWu005740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 05:48:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T9luRa073986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 03:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T9lpfr043969; Mon, 29 May 2006 03:47:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T9lnkv043885 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 03:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247ab.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.171]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id A34FA8A0078 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:47:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 05:48:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447AC36B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Here is the link to the stomacher and cape patterns. They belonged to Beate Jacquette Ribbing in first half of 18th century. She was the daughter of a minister. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm Bjarne To get a full size scale of the pattern, depending of wich size you want, it has to be blown up to something between 400 and 500 % Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 08:19:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCJJNK009225 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TCJFwE019809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:19:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCIf5Q010603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 06:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCIa9N082168; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SJBUip099482 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 13:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.22.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.22]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FkQfh-0003no-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 28 May 2006 15:11:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:18:24 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447AE6C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I probably wouldn't be expecting to copy the stomacher pattern but I sure would love to see it, Bjarne! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On May 28, 2006, at 2:06 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I have an original embroidery pattern for a ladys stomacher made with > the whitework tecknique. Also a ladys cape. > The patterns comes from a collection at Nordiska Museum in Stockholm, > where they belonged to a lady called Beata Jacquette Ribbing. She > lived in the first half of the 18th century, so my guess would be > these patterns being made between 1730- 50. > I have made a high resolution scanning of the patterns, and i could > blow them up to normal size without problems. They are insane > beautifull, and especially the stomacher it is possible to > rekonstrukt. The pattern of the cape needs to be rekonstrukted in some > of the areas, but with patience and skill its possible. > If anyone is interrested, i would not mind to post it to my website, > so that you could copy it. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 08:22:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCM4Zk009243 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:22:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TCM0qD020838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:22:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCLiDF010920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 06:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCLhkv085129; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4SK23Xf042105 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 14:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A07965D0490; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:56:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 13:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c68291$9573c960$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO YES! PLEASE! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:07 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher I have an original embroidery pattern for a ladys stomacher made with the whitework tecknique. Also a ladys cape. The patterns comes from a collection at Nordiska Museum in Stockholm, where they belonged to a lady called Beata Jacquette Ribbing. She lived in the first half of the 18th century, so my guess would be these patterns being made between 1730- 50. I have made a high resolution scanning of the patterns, and i could blow them up to normal size without problems. They are insane beautifull, and especially the stomacher it is possible to rekonstrukt. The pattern of the cape needs to be rekonstrukted in some of the areas, but with patience and skill its possible. If anyone is interrested, i would not mind to post it to my website, so that you could copy it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 08:26:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCQREj009295 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:26:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TCQNR9011799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:26:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCPkc9011451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 06:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCPidS089042; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4T4krXN068887 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m146.in-tch.com [216.166.191.146]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4T4awB25709 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:36:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003401c682db$f8228b60$92bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060523.140750.976.2.Cley@juno.com><004201c67fb8$bd4714a0$83bfa6d8@pavilion><009801c68072$d7cb74a0$89bfa6d8@pavilion> <013f01c680fc$75642890$154d4e40@Stuckis> Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:50:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:26:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447AE86F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My goal is to have it done and wear it when the last book comes out (next year, I here). I promise to get pictures--I want the cardigan, a set of robes, the whole bit.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person > > . > > Oh, and learning to crochet so I can make a Mrs Weasley cardigan. ;o) > > --Sue > > Oh, now THAT I want to see!! > > Crochet is easy. Knitting drives me completely around the bend. I know how > to do, but I hate it. It seems to take too long. (Said by the woman whose > first crochet project was a filet lace wall hanging, about 15x20, in size 30 > thread.) > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 08:28:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCSp3N009327 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:28:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TCSlq5023416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:28:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCSbdA011731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 06:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TCSamp092074; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:28:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4TACLtJ067347 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 04:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 69986 invoked from network); 29 May 2006 10:12:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.39 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2006 10:12:15 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060529110347.01e2fc00@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:06:28 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher In-Reply-To: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:28:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447AE8FF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:47 29/05/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >Here is the link to the stomacher and cape patterns. >They belonged to Beate Jacquette Ribbing in first half of 18th >century. She was the daughter of a minister. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm >Bjarne > >To get a full size scale of the pattern, depending of wich size you >want, it has to be blown up to something between 400 and 500 % > >Bjarne I suspect very strongly that this is trapunto work, not embroidery as such. A Danish friend of mine has a waistcoat embroidered in a very similar style, and of the same date. I have photos of it in close-up, and of the back, and you can see where the candlewick ends are left. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 08:47:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TClkWd009585 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:47:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TClfPQ030447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:47:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TClSeI014525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 06:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TClQte011339; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TClMXs011269 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 06:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.138.4.46]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C76E814D9E2 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 05:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] was "in search of a lost person" now Mrs. Weasley/Potter Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:47:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <003401c682db$f8228b60$92bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaDG11XNX+zNpfEQweWa8vlxdmqRwAAlqSQ Message-Id: <20060529124721.C76E814D9E2@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447AED6D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And what are you making the robes from? What pattern? I want to do a Professor Magonagal robe and dress set, but can't decide which outfit from which movie to do. Is there a picture of the sweater you are doing anywhere? -Megam -----Original Message----- Sue Clemenger wrote: My goal is to have it done and wear it when the last book comes out (next year, I here). I promise to get pictures--I want the cardigan, a set of robes, the whole bit.... --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 10:56:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TEuOwA011930 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:56:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TEuKiU026255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 10:56:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TEtl6j030741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 08:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TEtiIt034190; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TEtZ5t034054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:55:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k4TEtUiI031413 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:55:33 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64002.72.13.239.193.1148914534.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060529110347.01e2fc00@127.0.0.1> References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060529110347.01e2fc00@127.0.0.1> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 10:56:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447B0B94.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm > I suspect very strongly that this is trapunto work, not embroidery as > such. A Danish friend of mine has a waistcoat embroidered in a very > similar style, and of the same date. I have photos of it in close-up, > and of the back, and you can see where the candlewick ends are left. > > Suzi I agree with Suzi. I've also seen it described as "cord quilted". Besides being beautiful, the technique makes the item stiffer. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 11:32:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFWbE7012815 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TFWXFm012253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:32:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFVtfu036220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 09:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFVrQB069182; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFVoYq069139 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4TFLtB13156 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:21:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <007c01c681b1$110c96b0$154d4e40@Stuckis> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Multiple textile techniques... Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:39:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:32:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447B1411.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just wasn't interested in it (crochet) until I thought of it as a means to an end (the Mrs. Weasley cardigan). It still seems...limited. Afghans, potholders, stiff ugly vests, nasty looking lace (okay...sue's weasel words..."filet crochet is not to my personal taste). I do like the more delicate-looking crocheted laces and edgings, but when I was growing up (60's and 70's) the crochet I saw was clunky and chunky and stiff. Had tried to learn to knit a few times, but none successful or of long duration until 2 years ago, when I decided I wanted to know how for simple 16th century knitted items. I can tat, a little, but it's needle tatting, which I found far easier than tatting with a shuttle. --Sue, a sort-of whole-brained leftie (knit right-handed, crochet/tat left-handed, sewing is ambidextrous ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Multiple textile techniques... > > > A friend has been trying to teach her daughter to knit (she's > > 8), and I may suggest crochet first for her. It's a lot more instant > > gratification, useful for those with a small attention span. > > grins..yup, that's why I like it so much! > > Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 11:38:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFc6vt012929 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:38:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TFc2rY015065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:38:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFbJgx037134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 09:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFbGNB073996; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFb4WU073722 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4TFR6B14134 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00b401c68336$cafeb2c0$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:44:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:38:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447B155A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, that would be *wonderful!* Thank you very much for the offer! I absolutely adore 18th century Danish white embroidery.... *sighs happily* --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher > I have an original embroidery pattern for a ladys stomacher made with the > whitework tecknique. Also a ladys cape. > The patterns comes from a collection at Nordiska Museum in Stockholm, where > they belonged to a lady called Beata Jacquette Ribbing. She lived in the > first half of the 18th century, so my guess would be these patterns being > made between 1730- 50. > I have made a high resolution scanning of the patterns, and i could blow > them up to normal size without problems. They are insane beautifull, and > especially the stomacher it is possible to rekonstrukt. The pattern of the > cape needs to be rekonstrukted in some of the areas, but with patience and > skill its possible. > If anyone is interrested, i would not mind to post it to my website, so that > you could copy it. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 11:43:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFh9D6013013 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:43:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TFh41t022596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:43:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFgN3O037953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 09:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFgMpA078947; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TFgJuf078809 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m35.in-tch.com [216.166.191.35]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4TFWJB15135 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:32:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00d101c68337$852d0d40$23bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060529124721.C76E814D9E2@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] was "in search of a lost person" now Mrs. Weasley/Potter Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 09:49:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447B1688.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Haven't decided any of the details (fabric, etc.). Will probably monkey about with a modified combination of houpelande and scholar's clothing to get the right look. There are actually a fair number of pictures online of the sweater. I'll try to dig up some of my links. If you get impatient in the meantime, try googling for "Mrs. Weasley" and "sweater." It was a fairly hot topic on a few lists when the movie came out, if only because Mrs. W is famous for knitting and the cardigan sleeves are clearly crocheted. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 6:47 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] was "in search of a lost person" now Mrs. Weasley/Potter > And what are you making the robes from? What pattern? I want to do a > Professor Magonagal robe and dress set, but can't decide which outfit from > which movie to do. Is there a picture of the sweater you are doing > anywhere? > -Megam > > -----Original Message----- > Sue Clemenger wrote: > My goal is to have it done and wear it when the last book comes out (next > year, I here). I promise to get pictures--I want the cardigan, a set of > robes, the whole bit.... > --Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 12:14:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGE30g013522 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:14:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TGDwM6010210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:14:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGDb3E042727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 10:13:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGDZQ9010317; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4TGDWBY010162 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 387 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2006 16:13:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zUIcrXn8ftFxM83SOO24571JUSZyEwAlJ61SJHVdfDT5jgcpihF01ViIW9XLf3vZtlOvNi6mw/+UEfBkDtvTrcWXmON5cPUH2Jq+sLbQ+kzG1xTXmGB+fxoJgUvacmcDaI4j+vwiCT8IfEzRY1kfSSR3x80YF7+9byudzx5FK3o= ; Message-ID: <20060529161326.385.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.188.116.70] by web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:13:26 BST Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:13:26 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Photos of Flamenco Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:14:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447B1DC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I have made an album on my Yahoo! photos page of my first project of this year, a Flamenco dress for my daughter. It took me two months to make, and the photos where taken in March, after a lot of persuading my daughter to wear it! After that, she danced around the house to Bizet's 'Carmen' for about a month in it, which is when she grew out of the dress! The photos can be found at http://photos.yahoo.com/dresspattern. The easiest way to view them is to click on the album, then click on 'View Slide Show'. Please tell me what you think of it! I have (finally!) finished the muslin of the 1569 gown, and ready to cut it for real! My daughter enjoys wearing the muslin, playing QEI, having her teddies and dolls as her subjects! All the best! Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 12:28:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGS4vY013854 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:28:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TGRw45006727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGRS6s044718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 10:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGRQsI023945; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:27:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGRMwJ023760 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.43b.247dd10 (15888) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID83-3e10447b20dd2c8; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:27:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000701c68291$9573c960$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000701c68291$9573c960$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Message-Id: <0e065fb0c2507954a58eb201b01e63d0@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:27:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447B210E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k4TGS4vY013854 Status: RO Gorgeous! WAAAY above my level of expertise, though. Thanks for sharing. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On May 28, 2006, at 4:02 PM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > YES! PLEASE! > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 11:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher > > > I have an original embroidery pattern for a ladys stomacher made with > the > whitework tecknique. Also a ladys cape. > The patterns comes from a collection at Nordiska Museum in Stockholm, > where > they belonged to a lady called Beata Jacquette Ribbing. She lived in > the > first half of the 18th century, so my guess would be these patterns > being > made between 1730- 50. > I have made a high resolution scanning of the patterns, and i could > blow > them up to normal size without problems. They are insane beautifull, > and > especially the stomacher it is possible to rekonstrukt. The pattern of > the > cape needs to be rekonstrukted in some of the areas, but with patience > and > skill its possible. > If anyone is interrested, i would not mind to post it to my website, > so that > > you could copy it. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 12:34:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGYBHJ013997 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:34:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TGY72U008750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:34:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGXF0T045503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 10:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGXFHb029731; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGXBp8029591 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.458.2047c88 (57341) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <458.2047c88.31ac7c3d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:33:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Flamenco Dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:34:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447B227F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 5/29/2006 12:18:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk writes: I have made an album on my Yahoo! photos page of my first project of this year, a Flamenco dress for my daughter. It looks great. Thanks for sharing. I believe I remember your asking about patterns. What did you end up using? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 12:39:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGdiZN014101 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:39:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TGdeV7023166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:39:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGdK03046268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 10:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGdHUE035835; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TGdBp2035718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k4TGd6qn008134 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:39:09 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64713.72.13.239.193.1148920749.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060529161326.385.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20060529161326.385.qmail@web27510.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Photos of Flamenco Dress From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:39:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447B23CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's very cute! I especially like the bustle effect with the horse. :-) It's difficult to have an adult style look good on a child, and the trim works well there. With all those seams, is there nothing to let out so she can wear it a bit longer? -Carol > I have made an album on my Yahoo! photos page of my first project of > this year, a Flamenco dress for my daughter. It took me two months to > make, and the photos where taken in March, after a lot of persuading my > daughter to wear it! After that, she danced around the house to Bizet's > 'Carmen' for about a month in it, which is when she grew out of the > dress! The photos can be found at http://photos.yahoo.com/dresspattern. > The easiest way to view them is to click on the album, then click on > 'View Slide Show'. Please tell me what you think of it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 13:10:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4THAvVY015001 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:10:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4THArVO002363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 13:10:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4THA76k050840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4THA6NU066455; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4THA2ev066383 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:10:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4TH5EIn005764 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605291627.k4TGRVpA024036@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447B2B1D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you so much for shating this. Isn't the top item a cap, rather than a cape? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 14:14:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIEmYJ016582 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:14:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TIEhcv023740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:14:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIEIk8060293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIEFRf029239; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIECMD029184 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4TI4GdY015972 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:14:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200605291800.k4TI0PrT015900@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The spelling gods got me! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:14:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447B3A13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I DO think I meant "sharing"! That's teach me to hit SEND before SPELL-CHECK. Especially since I was asking about CAP versus CAPE. Martha Thank you so much for shating this. Isn't the top item a cap, rather than a cape? Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 14:44:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIifI3017205 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:44:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TIibFa002674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:44:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIhtn5064550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:43:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIhsCB057336; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:43:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIhoft057263 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:43:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24758.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.88]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AC590A500A0 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:43:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c6834f$dd1936b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:44:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:44:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447B4115.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Yes it is, its me spelling bad. Sorry. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Kelly" To: Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] embroidered stomacher > Thank you so much for shating this. Isn't the top item a cap, rather than > a > cape? > > Martha > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 14:49:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIn8pW017323 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:49:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TIn1YI030122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:49:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TImllu065351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TImkM4062079; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TImg7L061995 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24758.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.88]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B6C1A5001D for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:48:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002801c68350$8ff7ec90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001801c68281$7b66e210$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <00b401c68336$cafeb2c0$23bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:49:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:49:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447B421E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidered linen stomacher > Bjarne, that would be *wonderful!* Thank you very much for the offer! > I absolutely adore 18th century Danish white embroidery.... > *sighs happily* > --Sue Hi, It is not danish, but swedish. It is a collection they have at Nordiska Museet in Stockholm, Sweden. The collection has 50 embroidery patterns. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 14:55:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TItQPB017486 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:55:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TItLTU029734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TItAXM066492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 12:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIt7Pq068093; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TIt1Q0067974 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24758.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.88]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id D35F58A0042 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004c01c68351$6f40dfb0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <6.2.3.4.0.20060529110347.01e2fc00@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:55:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 14:55:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447B4399.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Suzi, Thanks for the informations. When it comes to these points of what i wrongly call whitework, i am totally blank because i dont know the different teckniques used to these. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher > At 10:47 29/05/2006, you wrote: >>Hi, >>Here is the link to the stomacher and cape patterns. >>They belonged to Beate Jacquette Ribbing in first half of 18th century. >>She was the daughter of a minister. >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm >>Bjarne >> >>To get a full size scale of the pattern, depending of wich size you want, >>it has to be blown up to something between 400 and 500 % >> >>Bjarne > > > I suspect very strongly that this is trapunto work, not embroidery as > such. A Danish friend of mine has a waistcoat embroidered in a very > similar style, and of the same date. I have photos of it in close-up, and > of the back, and you can see where the candlewick ends are left. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 15:10:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJAm0l017829 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:10:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TJAhau009760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 15:10:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJ9xBF069064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJ9rJN084044; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJ9nZd083927 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5BC5B504C0; Mon, 29 May 2006 19:04:28 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:09:51 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4TJ9nZd083927 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 15:10:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447B4733.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you, Bjarne! They look like a real challenge. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 2:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher Hi, Here is the link to the stomacher and cape patterns. They belonged to Beate Jacquette Ribbing in first half of 18th century. She was the daughter of a minister. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm Bjarne To get a full size scale of the pattern, depending of wich size you want, it has to be blown up to something between 400 and 500 % Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 15:23:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJNKtq018153 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:23:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TJNGPC006939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 15:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJMuCF071096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 13:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJMmTg097682; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TJMZSW097524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k4TJMRuP012979 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:22:34 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50451.72.13.239.193.1148930554.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 15:23:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447B4A24.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I haven't tried that technique, but it's fairly simple. You use a running stitch along the lines, then run the cording into the spaces with a tapestry needle from the back. Use fleece for any larger spots. Embroidery seems more challenging to me, because of the different stitches and tension of the base fabric, not to mention color choices! These pieces are just quilting & stuffing. -Carol > Thank you, Bjarne! They look like a real challenge. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 17:17:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TLHJm9021122 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:17:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4TLHF90020626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 17:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TLGItr083872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 15:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TLGFOD099032; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net (smtp5.suscom.net [64.78.83.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4TLG91w098869 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8145100F8 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp5 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28586-01-46 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp5.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9931B5100F4 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02c801c68365$12c19590$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: knit and crochet Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:15:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 17:17:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447B64DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fiant simii!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: knit and crochet I did a couple of crocheted > afghans when I was around 12, and lots of knitted scarves and things (I > wasn't interested enough in knitting to learn to make sweaters). Knitting > and crocheting are both very simple. > > Gail Finke I know how to knit, no problem. I just don't enjoy it. My mother liked to knit, but wasn't nuts about crochet. I sew, crochet, paint, and embroider. I can live without knitting. :-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon May 29 23:45:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U3jRUf028965 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:45:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4U3jNPA001198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 29 May 2006 23:45:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U3inYh035016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U3ijNm052247; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U3ig4G052205 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 687AE36A83 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:44:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen embroidered stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:44:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <64002.72.13.239.193.1148914534.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 29 May 2006 23:45:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447BBFD3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am more inclined to believe that it is simply, quilted. I have seen quilted work from some extent petticoats that look like this but I wouldn't rule out trapunto. Can anyone read what it says under the picture? Also note that the cap and the cap pattern do not match. Same goes for the forepart. Similarities but not the same. De -----Original Message----- >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm > I suspect very strongly that this is trapunto work, not embroidery as > such. A Danish friend of mine has a waistcoat embroidered in a very > similar style, and of the same date. I have photos of it in close-up, > and of the back, and you can see where the candlewick ends are left. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 00:05:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U45Qgd029327 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 00:05:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4U45M0t005996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 00:05:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U454XQ038010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 22:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U4532g070603; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U44wuC070500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:17584 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FkvTh-0001pg-Eh for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:05:10 -0500 Message-ID: <008601c6839e$369eb540$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <50451.72.13.239.193.1148930554.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:04:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447BC482.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > I haven't tried that technique, but it's fairly simple. As someone who's done a lot of cording, it's a simple principle, but sigh, it's not quite as easy as it looks. Especially when it comes to keeping the channels perfectly parallel on a curve! It's also extremely hard to keep the wrinkles out of your work. A complex pattern like that one would probably be a LOT easier to embroider than do in trapunto (and more fun). On the other hand, I just read something saying that trapunto (or a similar technique) goes back at least as far as 1485, and possibly back to the 14thC, so I may have to get into it! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 01:11:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U5BJAw031114 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 01:11:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4U5BEK8012759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 01:11:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U5AspK049049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 29 May 2006 23:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U5ApWf033601; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4U5Alb4033472 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 50821 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 05:10:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.39 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 05:10:41 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060530060445.01df0cf8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 06:10:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen embroidered stomacher In-Reply-To: References: <64002.72.13.239.193.1148914534.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 01:11:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447BD3F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 04:44 30/05/2006, you wrote: >I am more inclined to believe that it is simply, quilted. I have seen >quilted work from some extent petticoats that look like this but I wouldn't >rule out trapunto. Can anyone read what it says under the picture? >Also note that the cap and the cap pattern do not match. Same goes for the >forepart. Similarities but not the same. >De > >-----Original Message----- > >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm > > > I suspect very strongly that this is trapunto work, not embroidery as > > such. A Danish friend of mine has a waistcoat embroidered in a very > > similar style, and of the same date. I have photos of it in close-up, > > and of the back, and you can see where the candlewick ends are left. The reason I think it is trapunto is that I have seen several pieces of this period, in white, on linen, and have been able to look at the backs, where you can clearly see that they are not just quilted, but threaded with what I have always been told was candlewick. If it was quilted, rather than threaded, these "threads" would not be visible. There are extant bedgowns in the V and A which use this method, but on a much larger scale. My Danish friend's piece is on a very small scale, as the Swedish pieces seem to be. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 03:24:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U7OXrV030676 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:24:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4U7OTc6004775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 03:24:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U7O3vA064602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 01:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U7O0pH062566; Tue, 30 May 2006 01:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27514.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27514.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.218]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4U7NrUd062387 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 01:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 58624 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2006 07:23:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u7rOA7kD//ohSFBXOhxw+ARu9vEC5NaFNUx8P0l5Ibysk9Tp5JRvYNTOUgt8NIx+MQ2BMphGdJKA3csyKSfiKAJbJmKnX19vX+d2M57c/lr4EWMJHSxjnNlz0kRxrbzbbbf3OplujkHqQz4m1qrnXsgUdnwjU5vhh8+Jov4G4DA= ; Message-ID: <20060530072347.58622.qmail@web27514.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.199] by web27514.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:23:47 BST Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:23:47 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Flamenco Dress Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 03:24:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447BF32D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! I used an old Butterick pattern for a child's and Miss's Medieval outfit (I can't get to it at the moment, as we are putting new shelving up in the store room -my fabric stash and sewing books brought the last lot crashing down!!) , which I added a train and made a split at the front. I had to hand sew the lace (all ten metres of it!) on the dress, though I originally wanted frills, which looked too much for such a small dress. My daughter has grown out of it around the chest and the arms are too short; to be honest there is no turn up on the sleeves, so the over locking is hidden with the lace! I will have another look at the dress, to see if I can make it bigger- I could make it sleeveless, with lace around the armhole, and let out the seam a bit under the arms. Glad you liked the photos! All the best Jayne Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 04:56:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U8u1Da015398 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:56:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4U8tv9J015777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 04:56:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U8skg9078939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 02:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U8sIiR052449; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:54:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U8sAMg052101 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 02:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E58B236AA4 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:54:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen embroidered stomacher Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 03:54:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060530060445.01df0cf8@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 04:56:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447C089D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm Candlewicking doesn't look at all like trapunto. Scroll down to see example: http://crossstitch.about.com/ http://www.garyclarkedesigns.com/candlewicking.html Most trapunto that I have seen has been a white thread on white with early works. The shear white cotton fabric with white embroidered design and coloured threads under the shear cotton seems to have come about in the 1800s. This is simple quilting but has the raised puckering that can be found with the stomacher. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_189.htm To achieve trapunto with this small of a design would be difficult though not impossible. Some areas like the stems look as if they might be trapunto but I am more incline to believe that the stomacher is all or mostly quilting. What I am familiar with as trapunto is the stitching of a design though 2 - 3 layers and then a cord or tuft of batting is placed between two of the layers to raise the design more. Sometimes trapunto has been referred to as stuffed work. I am not ruling out trapunto but IMHO the stomacher is regular quilting. De -----Original Message----- The reason I think it is trapunto is that I have seen several pieces of this period, in white, on linen, and have been able to look at the backs, where you can clearly see that they are not just quilted, but threaded with what I have always been told was candlewick. If it was quilted, rather than threaded, these "threads" would not be visible. There are extant bedgowns in the V and A which use this method, but on a much larger scale. My Danish friend's piece is on a very small scale, as the Swedish pieces seem to be. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 08:39:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UCdpvI023896 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:39:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UCdlIu002111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 08:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UCdOCi007894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 06:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UCdIHl071806; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4U7lKon085483 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 01:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55bd.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.189]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id B541AA50024 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:47:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002e01c683bd$547bb990$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:47:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 08:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447C3D13.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. I am sorry i didnt read the text before i posted the link. It says that the cap and the stomacher are made with cotton. Does any of you know how much shrinking there would be of such a close embroidery? It seems to me, that there would be much shrinking. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 08:45:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UCjTIJ024030 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:45:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UCjPIE000929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 08:45:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UCiQfw008538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 06:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UCiNUg077577; Tue, 30 May 2006 06:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4U9djXv098188 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 03:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 78874 invoked from network); 30 May 2006 09:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.190.39 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2006 09:39:39 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060530100328.01e3a3e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:39:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen embroidered stomacher In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.0.20060530060445.01df0cf8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 08:45:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447C3E65.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:54 30/05/2006, you wrote: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm > >Candlewicking doesn't look at all like trapunto. >Scroll down to see example: >http://crossstitch.about.com/ >http://www.garyclarkedesigns.com/candlewicking.html >Most trapunto that I have seen has been a white thread on white with early >works. The shear white cotton fabric with white embroidered design and >coloured threads under the shear cotton seems to have come about in the >1800s. >This is simple quilting but has the raised puckering that can be found with >the stomacher. >http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_189.htm > >To achieve trapunto with this small of a design would be difficult though >not impossible. Some areas like the stems look as if they might be trapunto >but I am more incline to believe that the stomacher is all or mostly >quilting. What I am familiar with as trapunto is the stitching of a design >though 2 - 3 layers and then a cord or tuft of batting is placed between two >of the layers to raise the design more. Sometimes trapunto has been referred >to as stuffed work. >I am not ruling out trapunto but IMHO the stomacher is regular quilting. >De I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Your top two examples are modern, not 18th century, and while the trapunto is similar in style to some bed gowns I have seen, the candlewick is a completely different technique from that used in the 18th century. Your description of trapunto that you are familiar with is precisely the technique used on the Danish piece I have been referring to, which is so similar to the pieces in Bjarne's photos. (It is very small, very precise, and quite beautiful.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 09:43:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UDhRhZ025640 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:43:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UDhMWZ009854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 09:43:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UDguPg017025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 07:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UDgqMc044241; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UDgjC7043953 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 07:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([219.89.172.131]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060530134231.WLQN26685.fep06.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 01:42:31 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.7.4/351]); Wed, 31 May 2006 01:42:37 +1200 Message-ID: <00f401c683ee$e9badaf0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc><50451.72.13.239.193.1148930554.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <008601c6839e$369eb540$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:42:36 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 09:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447C4BFB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > On the other hand, I just read something saying that trapunto (or a similar > technique) goes back at least as far as 1485, and possibly back to the > 14thC, so I may have to get into it! Nooooooooo!!!!! I have been thinking of trapunto stays from the 1840s now you have to tempt me with hints that it was used prior to 1600! I'd love to know more:) Especially if I can then go and find out if it was used in 16thC Germany/Netherlands;) Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.7.4/351 - Release Date: 29/05/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 10:12:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UECwwc026435 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:12:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UECrss001821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 10:12:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UEBord021484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 08:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UEBmi1077417; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UEBihF077321 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m18.in-tch.com [216.166.191.18]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k4UE1mB13925 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004701c683f4$0b3ace60$12bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc><50451.72.13.239.193.1148930554.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net><008601c6839e$369eb540$dd00a8c0@compaqub> <00f401c683ee$e9badaf0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:19:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 10:12:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447C52E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry, Michaela, but she's right. There are definitely pre-17th century extant pieces (rather large, in fact) with some trapunto in them. There is, however, absolutely NO evidence of which I am aware of anything like that being used to form one's body (in that same time period). The closest that I've seen have been the theoretical constructions that people have done with "corded" corsets/pairs of bodys. Come to think of it, I don't off-hand recall it being used on clothing prior to 1600....Does anyone else? It's not my specific area of interest.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher > > On the other hand, I just read something saying that trapunto (or a > similar > > technique) goes back at least as far as 1485, and possibly back to the > > 14thC, so I may have to get into it! > > Nooooooooo!!!!! I have been thinking of trapunto stays from the 1840s now > you have to tempt me with hints that it was used prior to 1600! > > I'd love to know more:) Especially if I can then go and find out if it was > used in 16thC Germany/Netherlands;) > > Michaela > http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 12:52:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UGqpxn003115 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UGqjsw015240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UGpDHC072229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 10:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UGovZF073563; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UEcmbj009377 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.43d.262edc4 (32915) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:38:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <43d.262edc4.31adb2ea@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:38:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447C785D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Check out what Museum Illinois has to say on the subject. _http://www.museum.state.il.us/muslink/art/htmls/ks_tech_t.html_ (http://www.museum.state.il.us/muslink/art/htmls/ks_tech_t.html) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 12:53:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UGrUFE003170 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UGrNLZ016708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UGr5AJ072496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 10:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UGr5eu076022; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:53:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52110.mail.yahoo.com (web52110.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4UGquNP075802 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:52:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 50157 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2006 16:52:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fsaI7zD7VCmVR/PDl/v+guXfv3gUU5es006nf2IiS88JqUF5a3HglKB0x8Q7G0hHbpsjx7GQl04LC1JsPbSfS9s3a29Z7xOQKwGmKENgq40mIvZwQgesRqHudfoHr3WZU66/jgNUIjAAYzuD2/NX9FHFKp7NeoZsebhdL7J/DV4= ; Message-ID: <20060530165250.50155.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200605301346.k4UDk8Af048151@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4UGquNP075802 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Trapunto was: linnen embroidered stomacher X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447C7883.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm already half a step ahead. I had decided to make a baby quilt for a friend and was looking into trapunto. There are several extant examples of it, the V&A quilt is linen with brown and white linen thread, stuffed with cotton. Museum Number 1391-1904, referred to as "The Tristan Quilt". This one is Sicilian circa 1400. There are a couple other Italian quilts apparently, and some from Henry VIII. Some have been silk top with linen bases, variously coloured threads. I caught a glimpse of one that was polychrome embroidered first, then quilted. I wish I could get my hands on that image... I don't know where or when it was from. This type of quilting is most certainly within SCA-period, that I am aware, not as clothing, but as bed covers. I know there is a yahoo group for quilting you might want to sign onto. If you want some insta-boing answers, you could track down Lisa Evans, a quilt historian who presented at K'zoo. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > On the other hand, I just read something saying that trapunto (or a similar > technique) goes back at least as far as 1485, and possibly back to the > 14thC, so I may have to get into it! Nooooooooo!!!!! I have been thinking of trapunto stays from the 1840s now you have to tempt me with hints that it was used prior to 1600! I'd love to know more:) Especially if I can then go and find out if it was used in 16thC Germany/Netherlands;) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 13:34:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHYBfe005622 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:34:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UHY6RT000827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 13:34:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHXO5a079928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 11:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHXKEv026011; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHXENl025815 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a4so121281nfc for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:33:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mpXxlBKcbVnhQuwiVTSkn5K21WsLSi3cxTGazIzqfshTXv3M0w6/4zZq1YuqmGaSpBzRRLw9/rFNuAqJW5juitN6BPSuLpUxXo7coaJqsaZ4MsW7ea60uNEd5CY7QN1+KelRNwbDuab6NRBxvb5GzdmHmw74lUYEpmX6jlJiRac= Received: by 10.48.144.8 with SMTP id r8mr2765803nfd; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.7.19 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 10:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:33:07 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of a lost person In-Reply-To: <001001c68070$facd7860$89bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060525.073134.3672.3.Cley@juno.com> <001001c68070$facd7860$89bfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 13:34:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447C820F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 5/25/06, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > I was laureled back when Artemisia was still a fairly young principality > in > Atenveldt, and with one (very inactive) exception, am actually the > "oldest" > laurel in the whole state of Montana. I got mine at 3:00 in the morning. We had one of those forever courts Trimaris used to have. I think they now have a cut-off time. Half the court left to party. The other half had gone to bed. Only a few strays were left, so it was low keyed. The Laurel Circle in Trimaris (Florida) was very small then, around a dozen I think, and a fairly new kingdom. No one else did it, or even researched it. I did the Jane Seymour sleeves with a magnifying glass and graph paper. We had no Internet, only books to go by. I was a librarian at the time, so that was handy. Love that ILL too. My "masterwork piece" was a linen coif done in silk, Blackwork touched with gold, that I gave my Laurel. Duchess Elspeth is Elizabethan, I'm 15th century. It toured this country in a display and twice in England as a replica. The design came from a pillow at V/A. At any rate, peerages back then were pretty much all drive-by's, with a > little more attention paid to the Chiv. No warning, no special outfits, > no > vigils, nada. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am...next? sort of thing. The knights got all kinds of attention when elevated...vigils, cleansing, the whole bit. The other peers got a good luck back then. Now they can have something special only if they let it be known. I have always done all kinds of crafts. I grew up in the country where nothing was wasted. I had to make a handkerchief for each of my grandmothers for Christmas every year. It could be embroidered, have crochet or tatted lace, drawn work, or whatever, but it had to be special. I learned all kinds of things to prevent being bored. Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 13:46:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHkVBl006059 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:46:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UHkRE4027248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 13:46:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHk51M081975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 11:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHk1Mm040962; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UHjrKF040835 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3901597039C; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:32 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:45:58 -0700 Message-ID: <003901c68410$e8a6b360$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <002e01c683bd$547bb990$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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That may help. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap Hi. I am sorry i didnt read the text before i posted the link. It says that the cap and the stomacher are made with cotton. Does any of you know how much shrinking there would be of such a close embroidery? It seems to me, that there would be much shrinking. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 14:05:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UI5Cme006565 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:05:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UI5659020403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:05:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UI4hsN085053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UI49f7061334; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.241]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4UI2bnV059611 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 47608 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2006 18:02:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XOaBDiH9uhZJxgUr1GL9MGuDI3OQpFTYfD2sVLiAwQiC+8CC27ni+hC9poFv9NkzoVohazDFPqWokHX/yO+sfxYPX2cwQtccGIFO5Qx8OapOAFqBPaP96eEBHwcLfwVgtwt9lFUIIb5Y4tQ7nCZhZ8Io+rbMWWTTtTOxdD8DZ58= ; Message-ID: <20060530180230.47606.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:30 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] regency stays: seam construction ideas & details about 1770s stays X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:05:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447C8952.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello! I am at a crucial stage is making my regency stays: the main three layers (cotton, two of linen, which will then have another cotton layer as the lining) are all basted together and ready to be joined and have gussets inserted. I was really hoping that my visit to the museum today would yield a similar item so that I could examine how they were sewn together but alas - one 1770s set, one around 1900, one around 1895-1900 (they were totally slack on the dating: SO little information...) but nothing inbetween. The photographs in the Kyoto 'Fashion' book aren't close enough up to really show how the pieces are joined. Anyone done a regular seam and then corded it? I'd like to get these done before the end of June so can't wait another six weeks for a museum appointment ( patience being a virtue very foreign to me...) Most intriguing things about the 1760s-1770s stays (most like the 1776 ones in Didero's L'Encyclopaedie) 1. REALLY narrow boning - rounded and no more than 2mm wide. Bents? I don't know, they were still v. flexible, apart from the broad pieces at CB and CF. I'm sure someone knows better than me. 2. The offset lacing: one left side, two holes close together at the top, on the left side, two holes close together at bottom, so you get 12 holes each side but offset. 'Mock lacing' at front but no more than 1inch wide at top and terribly close together (40 rows of fine thread over no more than 6 inches length, narrowing to nothing at bottom). 3. An intriguing pattern which reminded me of a Scottish saltire flag, embroidered at the top between the bones - it being no more than half boned and with very fine boning at that, three on either side of front busk area and two on each back piece (1 1/2 inch high, just a little wider). This wasn't boned in itself and the broad bone which runs around the inner top of the stays was hidden inside the linen lining. Overall they were pretty mucky but seemed to be plain cream linen/cotton, matching thread and plain white linen lining. Tassets sewn separately on lining but NOT on the main pieces. These were very narrow - several about 2inches long and no more than 1/2 inch wide at the top. Hope that is interesting and useful - any more questions, I'll do my best. Photos taken but only for my reference I'm afraid: I can't afford the fees! Cheers, Katherine p.s. I'll post this on historic corsets just in case it misses anyone, sorry if you get it twice. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright "Are you tugging my squirrel?" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 14:33:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIXgqQ007730 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:33:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UIXbPU030981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIW5S7088695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:32:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIW3r8092427; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIVmbl092108 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247b8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.184]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DB815A50066 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:31:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001e01c68417$4a8e45b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003901c68410$e8a6b360$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:31:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:33:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447C9002.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Yes its a must, if the stomacher is going to be washed after it has ben embroidered. But i thoaght about the very heavy embroidery might shrink the stomacher rather much with all that stuffing of the lines. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap > Pre-shrink your fabric AND your thread. That may help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:48 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap > > > Hi. > I am sorry i didnt read the text before i posted the link. > It says that the cap and the stomacher are made with cotton. Does any of > you > know how much shrinking there would be of such a close > embroidery? It seems to me, that there would be much shrinking. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 14:53:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIrb14009982 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:53:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UIrXqX032701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIqUW2091666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIqD9G015468; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UIpr3p015033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k4UIpnOI002053 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:51:52 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56230.72.13.239.193.1149015112.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001e01c68417$4a8e45b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <003901c68410$e8a6b360$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <001e01c68417$4a8e45b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:53:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447C94AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There will be some "shrinkage" due to the cording taking up the base fabrics and turning them 3 dimensional. I discovered that the hard way when making corded stays. Oops! Fortunately I was able to insert a panel and get them back to size. I know it's tedious, but maybe the trick is to do a small sample to see how much length and breadth is taken up, and then size the pattern accordingly before making it. Bjarne, does embroidery usually shrink the item you're making? I thought that was the point of putting the fabric under tension, to avoid the threads pulling the base fabric. -Carol > Yes its a must, if the stomacher is going to be washed after it has ben > embroidered. > But i thoaght about the very heavy embroidery might shrink the stomacher > rather much with all that stuffing of the lines. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" > >> Pre-shrink your fabric AND your thread. That may help. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 16:43:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKhHS6020743 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:43:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UKhCYK030415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 16:43:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKgc1n006600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKfvem035221; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UJBULP037137 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247b8.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.184]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 28A218A007D for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:11:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c6841c$dcd20560$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003901c68410$e8a6b360$0200a8c0@bob3pc><001e01c68417$4a8e45b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <56230.72.13.239.193.1149015112.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:11:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 16:43:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447CAE60.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Bjarne, does embroidery usually shrink the item you're making? I > thought that was the point of putting the fabric under tension, to > avoid the threads pulling the base fabric. > > -Carol Hi Carol. No it does not shrink at all, but this is also a much different tecknique. I use a large frame to stretch my fabric, and for ordinary embroidery where it only is motifs made with satin and long short stitches, it does not shrink. This trapunto work, i think would shrink just as much as heavy quilting would do. Bjarne of the lines. >> >> Bjarne >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" >> >>> Pre-shrink your fabric AND your thread. That may help. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 16:56:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKuE6A021973 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:56:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UKuAFJ031292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 16:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKtMBK008398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKtCbk049034; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:55:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UK2MI6093257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.198] (209-148-124-198.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.198]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4UK2Crv023637 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: <447CA4C3.8050305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:02:11 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knitted slippers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 16:56:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447CB16A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone know where to find a photo of a pair of 1820s knitted slippers? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 17:38:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULcWHl026365 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:38:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ULcSvn030148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 17:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULcEeI017773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 15:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULbZF1093083; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULaSJW091937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.126.191] (209-148-126-191.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4ULaMho004484 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:36:23 -0700 Message-ID: <447CBAD6.9050803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:36:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silkish brocade References: <002e01c683bd$547bb990$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <37850.131.107.0.105.1149022282.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> In-Reply-To: <37850.131.107.0.105.1149022282.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447CBB54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have not ordered from this store, but I think I know the fabric. There is a certain type of Oriental silk or silk/rayon blend, a kind of smooth, supple, nonmetallic brocaded satin. It is not upholstery fabric, but it is not of the very lightest weight. It often has Oriental type motifs in the pattern, but if they are not "period" for your use, you can always find a pattern without them. This fabric is usually reasonably priced, as these things go, and it's also quite lovely. This looks like the stuff. There are other stores that carry it--I've seen it in Thai Silks' brick-and-mortar store, and I think their website may also list it but have not checked. I've sen it in a lot of fabric stores around here, but then we have a large Oriental population. Anyway, if your concern is the fabric and not the vendor--I have never bought from them but their selection and prices look good--as long as you're not looking for a really lightweight brocade, it's very nice. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com scourney@nwlink.com wrote: > Hi, > > Have any of you heard of or used this store? > > http://www.transprism.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=62 > > I like some of their tapestries, but am not sure about ordering from them. > > Thanks, Susan in Bellevue. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 17:51:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULptWn027844 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:51:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ULpoqc015620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 17:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULp9vr019016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 15:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULo98k005212; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ULnNqA004287 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:50:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.44d.25eb225 (40521) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:49:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <44d.25eb225.31ae17d9@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:49:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 17:51:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447CBE76.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Since this has brought up embroidery and its techniques.... 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Status: RO --- Katy Bishop wrote: > I have been working on an on-line portfolio, > organised by era, with a thumbnails page: > > http://www.vintagevictorian.com/Dress.html > > Katy People have been checking out Katy's site of wonderful clothes, right? She does really cool nineteenth and early twentieth century styles very well, and hangs out with other people who do likewise. Well worth a good long look. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 20:15:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V0FLIE032521 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:15:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V0FHDY028978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 20:15:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V0E3GS040759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 18:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V0Dw1N042951; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V0Ds3J042892 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE8118A501D8; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:08:33 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: <003701c68447$1d5a27f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <001e01c68417$4a8e45b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 20:15:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447CE015.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Oh, now I understand what you mean. Why not make a small piece first, maybe 4 inches square and see how much it shrinks in both directions? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap Hi, Yes its a must, if the stomacher is going to be washed after it has ben embroidered. But i thoaght about the very heavy embroidery might shrink the stomacher rather much with all that stuffing of the lines. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap > Pre-shrink your fabric AND your thread. That may help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:48 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] linnen stomacher and cap > > > Hi. > I am sorry i didnt read the text before i posted the link. > It says that the cap and the stomacher are made with cotton. Does any > of > you > know how much shrinking there would be of such a close > embroidery? It seems to me, that there would be much shrinking. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 21:02:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V120S2001297 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:02:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V11AxP013093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 21:01:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V10PS6049300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 19:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V10MrK092691; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52115.mail.yahoo.com (web52115.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4V10BWD092319 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 28841 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2006 01:00:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tB4dNM9auBNCUBC+RKupIz37pQptp64cMvQhpytxBQ6zz1xhr30ajgh1BtCkjU+lHu3zM/b6iPHESq25ewWzLjTZ+R9oS2b6AdRXjPzaxibtBBlqOTV9AvT4qtN0JRY/9e0JdHJmT9pig2wq07PgzTzRPbZ6OV8OsZqMkSknJDM= ; Message-ID: <20060531010005.28833.qmail@web52115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k4V10BWD092319 Subject: [h-cost] I'm Stumped X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 21:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 447CEAD6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am toiling away at this commission and I am at something of a loss. It's those damned men's hose again, I swear they are my bane. I have the foot and leg, right to the thigh fitting beautifully. It's his behind I am having trouble with. The source of inspiration for this is "Adoration of the Magi" by Botticelli: (close up)http://www.wga.hu/art/b/botticel/21/21adorat.jpg (full length detail) http://www.wga.hu/art/b/botticel/21/20adorat.jpg Which is dated to 1465-67, putting it right at the cusp before connected hose. Contemporary art shows the behind mostly covered save for a small gap right were he would sit, and of course the front is mostly open. The back should look like this: http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/francesco-heraclius-det3.JPG (Victory of Heracleus 1452-66) and the front: http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/crivelli-st-roch-wallace.jpg (Saint Roch, probably 1450) As long as he is standing, I have it looking exactly right. It's when he sits that the problem becomes apparent - there is just no seat space. Yet there is no evidence of the typical saggy bum - I'm not getting it. Best I can figure is to cut back the back of the hose to the underside of his behind curving up to the hip then add in a curved section, a la http://home.earthlink.net/~lizjones429/hose-farsetto-shop.JPG (Castle Challant, Issogne, 1489-1502) Problem is, the client is rather far away now, I have to do this by educated guess. I don't have the luxury of making him stand still while I stab him with pins for hours on end. Anyone out there done something like this that can give me some helpful hints on construction? The prototypes are made of linen with a 3% lycra stretch, the "good" ones will be made of a light wool. hopefully they react largely the same to the pattern and I won't have to redraft a great deal to account for differences in stretch. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] linnen embroidered stomacher References: <000501c68304$f48fcb10$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><002b01c68353$760ff7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc><50451.72.13.239.193.1148930554.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> <008601c6839e$369eb540$dd00a8c0@compaqub> <00f401c683ee$e9badaf0$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <00f401c683ee$e9badaf0$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 21:51:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447CF69F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting michaela : >> On the other hand, I just read something saying that trapunto (or a > similar >> technique) goes back at least as far as 1485, and possibly back to the >> 14thC, so I may have to get into it! > > Nooooooooo!!!!! I have been thinking of trapunto stays from the 1840s now > you have to tempt me with hints that it was used prior to 1600! > > I'd love to know more:) Especially if I can then go and find out if it was > used in 16thC Germany/Netherlands;) > According to Staniland (if memory serves), the Tristan Quilt is Trapunto. Dunno if it was a technique that ever showed up in clothing or not. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 22:28:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V2SQgg003612 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:28:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V2SMSJ001292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 22:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V2RoPo062265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 20:27:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V2RmUX085760; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:27:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V2RiAb085589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k4V4J1VZ017585 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:19:02 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: A Few Thoughts about Crochet (was Re: [h-cost] Multiple textile techniques...) 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Status: RO On Monday 29 May 2006 11:39 am, you wrote: > I just wasn't interested in it (crochet) until I thought of it as a means > to an end (the Mrs. Weasley cardigan). It still seems...limited. I agree. I've never been interested in it because (1) most of the things I've seen made in that technique look ugly to me, and (2) it's primarily a Victorian technique, and I'm not really that interested in Victorian costume. > Afghans, > potholders, stiff ugly vests, nasty looking lace (okay...sue's weasel > words..."filet crochet is not to my personal taste). I do like the more > delicate-looking crocheted laces and edgings, but when I was growing up > (60's and 70's) the crochet I saw was clunky and chunky and stiff. Ah, I see you agree with me, then. :-) > Had > tried to learn to knit a few times, I knew how to knit as a kid, but at the time was not really interested in keeping the skill up, and it's not really a period technique for the Dark Ages costumes I'm interested in doing now. (That's why I've taken up nalbinding).... -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 30 23:32:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V3WdRa005323 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V3WZL6023855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKuFo8008601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 14:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKu8vN050077; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:56:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4UKpOE5045221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from webmail.nwlink.com (web05-proaxis [64.255.238.65]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E63713FC5 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 131.107.0.105 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user scourney@nwlink.com) by webmail.iinet.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37850.131.107.0.105.1149022282.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> In-Reply-To: <002e01c683bd$547bb990$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <002e01c683bd$547bb990$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) From: scourney@nwlink.com To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=56% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silkish brocade X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 30 May 2006 23:32:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447D0E53.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, Susan in Bellevue. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 31 00:36:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V4a4Tu007288 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:36:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V4a0Yq000432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 May 2006 00:36:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V4ZFLL080533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 May 2006 22:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V4ZBd8015532; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V4Z72W015463 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:35:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 742E03D1CF for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:35:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] online portfolios, resumes, etc Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060530220835.45090.qmail@web51313.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 May 2006 00:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447D1D30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lovely site. Does need a once over for spelling corrections. Beautiful dresses. De -----Original Message----- --- Katy Bishop wrote: > I have been working on an on-line portfolio, > organised by era, with a thumbnails page: > > http://www.vintagevictorian.com/Dress.html > > Katy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 31 02:39:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V6dHcm026095 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 02:39:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V6dDM9001758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 May 2006 02:39:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V6cfVu097398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 May 2006 00:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V6cUDk039026; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4V6bcWg038326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-236-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.236]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4V6badB012467 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:37:38 +1000 Message-ID: <004101c6847c$b5894080$ecddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] linen embroidered stomacher Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:37:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 May 2006 02:39:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447D3A11.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] linen embroidered stomacher > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/l-stomacher.htm > > Candlewicking doesn't look at all like trapunto. > Scroll down to see example: > http://crossstitch.about.com/ > http://www.garyclarkedesigns.com/candlewicking.html I think there's some confusion over terms I took Suzi's description of the extant pieces she saw to mean that they had used the same string/cord that would have been used to make candle wicks (so a relatively fine cord) in the trapunto not that they were doing this knot based surface embroidery, even if it is called Candlewicking. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 31 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VCQp0r021665 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:26:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4VCQj7E030073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 May 2006 08:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VCPqpF066807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 May 2006 06:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VCPlwO084345; Wed, 31 May 2006 06:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VAYpxi071513 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 04:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.422.2e5b9eb (40521) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 06:34:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <422.2e5b9eb.31aecb42@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 06:34:42 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 452 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 May 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447D8B85.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have been to the site before (about six months ago, I think), but have never used. Debbie In a message dated 5/31/06 5:36:37 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 13:51:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: scourney@nwlink.com > Subject: [h-cost] silkish brocade > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <37850.131.107.0.105.1149022282.squirrel@webmail.iinet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi, > > Have any of you heard of or used this store? > > http://www.transprism.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=62 > > I like some of their tapestries, but am not sure about ordering from them. > > Thanks, Susan in Bellevue. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 31 09:25:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VDPNcG023738 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:25:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4VDPJFd025211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 May 2006 09:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VDP6Ut076465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 May 2006 07:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VDP4KY050175; Wed, 31 May 2006 07:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VDP1C2050104 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 07:25:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so46606nfc for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 06:25:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UDbJS/VfAn7mXZdBAx9Zb6ZRuZi0px9QHBRdSwlEAGZDPhUAEuS+69T3bq6DQw4wvG3YnyVU6ELp4YLWoLvwM4GQCG00uDGkV6p7d76SG9OIAKoI1fQpay/4rKcn0JgcEtiK4oiuDbKPl/b/PXoXRO9dXr9rCvsnOcv5jSYqBuE= Received: by 10.49.5.15 with SMTP id h15mr264901nfi; Wed, 31 May 2006 06:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.10 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 06:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0605310624sd565b8ct9e4a3e21cb6cb6af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:24:55 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency stays: seam construction ideas & details about 1770s stay In-Reply-To: <20060530180230.47606.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060530180230.47606.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 May 2006 09:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447D993F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > 2. The offset lacing: one left side, two holes close together at the top, on the left side, two holes close together at bottom, so you get 12 holes each side but offset. Spiral lacing, done the right way, Those are almost always laced wrong on eBay and other such places :-) Start at one end, go through the hole straight across, and then spiral through to the other end, finishing with two holes straight across again. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 31 13:22:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VHMSj1003506 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:22:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4VHMNbk007523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 May 2006 13:22:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VHLrDN013994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 May 2006 11:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VHLS8c012850; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VHLIuN012593 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 11:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k4VHLCuk017516 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:21:12 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4VHL1qk172100 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:21:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060531094824.025c2d28@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:54:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows In-Reply-To: <200605302138.23165.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc> <007c01c681b1$110c96b0$154d4e40@Stuckis> <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: A Few Thoughts about Crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 May 2006 13:22:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447DD0CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I just wasn't interested in it (crochet) until I thought of it as a means > > to an end (the Mrs. Weasley cardigan). It still seems...limited. > >I agree. I've never been interested in it because (1) most of the things >I've >seen made in that technique look ugly to me, and (2) it's primarily a >Victorian technique, and I'm not really that interested in Victorian costume. What about those elegant Edwardian Irish crochet dresses and waists? I too remember the clunky crochet stuff produced in the 1960s (I kinda liked them even if you didn't), but modern crochet sweaters look as nice as knitted sweaters do. Crochet is actually not as limited as some people think. I will agree it's not for everyone. But then, I only knit if I'm doing a period when crochet hadn't been invented yet. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed May 31 20:18:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k510IYvO023255 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:18:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k510IThg008295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 31 May 2006 20:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k510I07S091997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 31 May 2006 18:18:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k510Hp40056066; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k510HQXg055758 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from madlystitching@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.246.129.21.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([4.246.129.21]) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Flarw-0004sO-00; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:16:57 -0400 Message-ID: <447E31A8.2020603@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:15:36 -0700 From: Stephen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danegeld_Tor@yahoogroups.com, Eileen Hook , GroveOfTheOak@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume , Maija Beattie , margospatterns@yahoogroups.com, "Sutter's Fort SHP" , ClothiersGuild@yahoogroups.com, Joan Jurancich Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Stash Enhancement Possibilities X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 31 May 2006 20:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 447E3255.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Good news, bad news, and more bad news. The good news is that Hancock Fabrics at 7900 Florin Road in Sacramento CA has everything marked off at least 30%. The bad news is that the sale is because they are closing up the store. So this is a good chance to stock up on notions and staples as well as getting some nice fabric and yarn at a good price. The more bad news is that the reason the store is closing is because the area is not that safe. They have an armed guard in the store. So I would not plan on going after dark. Don’t know how long this sale is going to last, but the first ones there get the best bones! Stephen Bergdahl _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 1 08:36:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51CaELo011798 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:36:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k51CaASX012903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 08:36:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51CZf7r032449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51CZdUG084873; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 06:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k512Qca1082973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k514I1CY019444 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 00:18:01 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: A Few Thoughts about Crochet Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:37:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> <4.3.1.2.20060531094824.025c2d28@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060531094824.025c2d28@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605312137.22905.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:36:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 447EDF3A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wednesday 31 May 2006 12:54 pm, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > > I just wasn't interested in it (crochet) until I thought of it as a > > > means to an end (the Mrs. Weasley cardigan). It still seems...limited. > > > >I agree. I've never been interested in it because (1) most of the things > >I've > >seen made in that technique look ugly to me, and (2) it's primarily a > >Victorian technique, and I'm not really that interested in Victorian > > costume. > > What about those elegant Edwardian Irish crochet dresses and waists? I did say "most". Those are not among the exceptions that came to my mind, though. Some of the crocheted lace collars (of the type especially popular in the 1860s) made of fine thread are nice. > I too > remember the clunky crochet stuff produced in the 1960s (I kinda liked them > even if you didn't), but modern crochet sweaters look as nice as knitted > sweaters do. I don't care much even for the modern ones. > Crochet is actually not as limited as some people think. I > will agree it's not for everyone. But then, I only knit if I'm doing a > period when crochet hadn't been invented yet. Fair enough. I admit I was trumpeting my own tastes here, and everyone's mileage varies when it comes to taste. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume