From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 1 12:09:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51G9Ffd018165 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:09:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k51G9Ab5022549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:09:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51G8LZI074968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51G8Brd028221; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51G7w1V027896 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net (rmailcenter73.comcast.net?[204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20060601160752m1500cgenne>; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:07:52 +0000 Received: from [67.176.125.129] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:07:52 +0000 From: eirenetz@comcast.net To: h-costume@mail.indra.com (Historic Costume list) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:07:52 +0000 Message-Id: <060120061607.2451.447F10D7000ED054000009932207300793969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWlyZW5ldHpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Victorian help? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:09:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447F1126.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just purchased Fashions of the Guilded Age, Vol. 1 to do some Victorian-inspired fantasy clothing. It's a wonderful book with patterns and everything, but I'm bamboozled. I've done SCA-era clothing ("Patterns? We don't need no steeenking patterns!") for years, but I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to interpreting these patterns. One obviously has to be conversant with Victorian tailoring for these drawings and directions to be meaningful. For instance, the directions will say, "Cut a slit in the back along the solid line, and hem the edges narrow." Which solid line?; there are two. Then what?? Or, "pleat the front and back as indicated on the pattern." The number of circles and x's don't necessarily match. And then there the inexplicable solid lines at odd angles, marked with circles and x's. What are they? Cut them open or not? If I cut it open, there's a flap of fabric dangling, and the directions give no clue as to where it goes. The topography makes no sense. Is there a guide to Victorian patterns for the modern sewer out there anywhere? Melanie Unruh-Bays _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 1 13:54:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51Hs5KP021482 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:54:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k51HrIc1007547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51HqNH4089101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51HqK3V037476; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51HqDGA037349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 11:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.162] (209-148-121-162.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k51Hq8cq008558 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:52:09 -0700 Message-ID: <447F2949.7050004@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:52:09 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? References: <060120061607.2451.447F10D7000ED054000009932207300793969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <060120061607.2451.447F10D7000ED054000009932207300793969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 13:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 447F298E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO eirenetz@comcast.net wrote: > I just purchased Fashions of the Guilded Age, Vol. 1 to do some Victorian-inspired fantasy clothing. It's a wonderful book with patterns and everything, but I'm bamboozled. I've done SCA-era clothing ("Patterns? We don't need no steeenking patterns!") for years, but I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to interpreting these patterns. One obviously has to be conversant with Victorian tailoring for these drawings and directions to be meaningful. Do you mean _Fashions of the GILDED Age?_ I'm surprised you're having trouble working with it. It contains more construction information than similar anthologies such as Janet Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion_ series, Norah Waugh's _Cut of Men's/Women's Clothes_ series, Jean Hunnisett's _Period Costume for Stage and Screen_ series, and Robb Shep's tailoring reprints. (H-costume members who are unfamiliar with our books and want some idea what they are about should visit our web site, http://www.lavoltapress.com. In addition to the information given for specific books, the FAQ shows samples of interior pages, including patterns and instructions.) Although, if you've been making only T-tunics, I can see how the styles would look really different. Women's garments of the 1870s and 1880s are inherently among the most complicated ever made. There is no getting around that if you want to make them authentically. If you just want a modern garment with aGoth-y flavor, you might be better off adapting a modern pattern from Vogue, Butterick, Simplicity, or McCall’s. If you do want an authentic outfit, I suggest that you start with a very simple garment such as a chemise (there are 19 different chemise patterns in Volume 1), a petticoat (there are 4 petticoat patterns), or corset cover (there are 2 corset cover patterns). You're going to have to make the underwear first anyway and fit everything else over it. You're also going to have to make the corset early on (there are 7 corset patterns in Volume 1, 5 of them designed to be enlarged with the apportioning scales in the back of each volume to the wearer's exact measurements). A corset is more complicated than a chemise, but that's just the way it is. The “natural form” era is actually one of back emphasis, it’s just less pronounced than that of the preceding and following periods of big bustles. So unless you use flounces on the dress or petticoat—Volume I contains information on the former, and patterns for the latter—you will need a bustle constructed with bones or steels. (Volume 1 contains 3 such patterns.) The dress has to be fitted over the bustle too. I also suggest that your first project be one of the simple "princess" dresses in Volume 1; the ones that consist of one main garment instead of a bodice/skirt/overskirt combination. For example, the Princess Dress, the Grenadine and Gauze Dress, the Loose Watteau Wrapper, the Grosgrain Wrapper, the Morning Dress, or the Double-Breasted, Long Morning Dress. However, the skirts for the bodice/skirt/overskirt type outfits are usually simple. Volume 1 contains 4 separate skirt patterns. Three more are given as part of complete dress patterns, and those can be also used with other bodices in the book. While the bodices need to be well fitted to the body--which may seem strange if you're used to T-tunics--most are not inherently mysterious in terms of construction. Volume 1 contains 42 day bodice patterns and 11 evening bodice patterns (in addition to several provided with complete dresses). Most of these are designed to be enlarged to the wearer's size with the apportioning scales, which helps in fitting. So it seems like your "it's all too complicated" reaction relates to the draped overskirts and polonaises typical of this era. They're very different from medieval and Renaissance styles, but they can be made. The patterns I provide were designed to be used by home sewers of the era. Granted, you were not born in that era; which means you need to do a little research. If you're starting to costume or use patterns from an era new to you, that's just something you have to do. I have provided as much information as I possibly could to that end. It was drawn from 17 books (some quite rare) and several hundred issues of six different fashion magazines of the era (all sources are listed in the bibliography given with both volumes). You should read the 44 illustrated pages on enlarging and using the patterns, and the detailed information on fitting, given with both volumes. You could also try buying Volume 2. It contains the dressmaking manual for the anthology. This is 87 pages long and illustrated, and was researched and rewritten from over a dozen sources of the late 1870s and 1880s. It includes sections on draping polonaises and overskirts. You need to read carefully not only the instructions given with the pattern you are using, but the pages of construction information from fashion columns given at the beginning of the chapter focusing on that type of garment. Volume 1 contains about 15 pages of such information (2-3 pages per chapter), in addition to the instructions given with the pattern. I rewrote all those for clarity. For some patterns I provided specific additional information or instructions for that type of pattern, from other sources. The pattern marks are transferred from the originals. I went over all of them several times to make sure they were all there and to figure out how each garment worked. I added some additional marks and notes. The directions are all from the originals, and rewritten for clarity. All the fashion plates given with each pattern are provided, and all these were restored and edited. You need to examine the fashion plates closely, because sources of the era expected readers to derive some of their information visually. The 10-page glossary given with each volume may also be helpful. I had to split up the anthology into two volumes. Volume 1 contains 469 8 1/2 by 11-inch pages; patterns for 160 garments; and 200 illustrations. Volume 2 contains 541 pages, patterns for 184 garments, trims, and accessories; and 541 illustrations. It was just too much information to bind in one volume. I use a book format because it can include a great many patterns and styles at much lower cost to readers than sized paper patterns in envelopes. The patterns in Volume 1 work out to 31 cents per garment; the ones in Volume 2 work out to 27 cents per garment, trimming, or accessory pattern. It can also be distributed much more widely to readers: There are a great many more bookstores than outlets for patterns in envelopes. There's more construction information for this era in both Volumes of _Fashions of the Gilded Age_ combined, than you are likely to easily find anywhere else. However, you do need to read the information I provide. You need to learn something about the era's styles, and you need to think about the construction for each garment you plan to make. I've provided everything I can. If you don't make use of it I can't help you. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 1 15:40:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51JeRbd029786 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:40:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k51JeMlm002651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51JdqII007279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51JdjBo051170; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51JddhW050954 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:39:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41B4E000234 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:39:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <447F426D.3010809@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:39:25 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> <4.3.1.2.20060531094824.025c2d28@mail.frys.com> <200605312137.22905.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200605312137.22905.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:40:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447F42A6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I heard about this miniature on the BBC radio news this evening:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm If you click to enlarge the image, you'll also see more of the painting. It's just been donated to the Berlin museum by a reporter who'd set out discover if -as it was - art looted during World War II. It goes on display tomorrow. If you'd like to hear the story told by the man himself, you should be able to find it on the BBC website's "Listen Again" facility, or maybe as a podcast download. It was the very last item, just before 6.00pm, on tonight's "PM" programme on Radio 4. Linda Walton, (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 1 15:52:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51Jq5kW030107 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:52:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k51Jq11u001230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51Jo7Zn009112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51Jo6im061875; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51Jnxu5061760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 13:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:22417 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FltBF-0003qN-Mi for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 14:50:06 -0500 Message-ID: <027501c685b4$9078c840$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> <4.3.1.2.20060531094824.025c2d28@mail.frys.com><200605312137.22905.cathy@thyrsus.com> <447F426D.3010809@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:49:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:52:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 447F4561.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ooooo, that's one of the very few dresses that's ever tempted me to try that era. Thanks for the link. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Walton" > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 1 16:02:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51K2V9J030361 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:02:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k51K2R0T012271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:02:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51K2AhQ011342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51K27Nb074396; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:02:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k51K1xtP074260 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5577.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.119]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 010C08A0068 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:01:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004501c685b6$491e4360$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:02:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] little off topic, Earl og Bothswell X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:02:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 447F47D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, This is a little off topic, but a little history after all. You know Mary Stuarts husband Earl of Bothswell was taken prisoner in Denmark, and died here, and is burried in a small church at the castle where he was prisoned. Now his scottish family wants him back to Scotland, they showed it in the news yesterday. But i dont think Denmark wants to release him, he is a little attraction to have at the castle wich is called Dragsholm. I dont know what to think, if his family wants him back, ill say yes off cause, but i am not to deside............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 10:58:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52EwAoG004764 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:58:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Ew5sl023924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:58:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Ev8iG074705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Ev38n016031; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:57:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Eueio015652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id C97EDD475F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A6AD4744 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:56:04 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c68654$b815f760$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] June Joy Sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:58:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448051FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought some of you might want to know about the June Joy sale we're having here at Five Rivers - 20% off all in-stock merchandise, which means patterns, patterns, patterns. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 11:01:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52F1Jlb004854 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:01:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52F1EAS027763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:01:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52F0q4X075262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52F0qd8019420; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52ExMB1017974 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:59:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.24c.bb6d146 (65100) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:59:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <24c.bb6d146.31b1ac3d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:59:09 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:01:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448052BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, "Victorian" covers a lot of time [1839-1906?] and a lot of silhouettes so you need to be a little more specific. I mean, an 1840s frock coat does not look like an 1890s frock coat. And lots of clothes were still made by hand, and the patterns reflect this, up until the late 1860s [they all were until the 1840s...and then it was considered sorta low life to have machine made clothes, especially women's, until the 1870s]. Things get complicated in a new way when the machine comes into play. You'll have to give us more info, because the developing pattern business of the time HAD no real standards yet [for markings and symbols] and many patterns have the pieces printed on top of one another. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:02:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52G2Qt1006528 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:02:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52G2Loo029289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:02:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52G1aPJ083966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52G1TGF077162; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k521pqAq081305 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J0700892MI2NC30@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:51:36 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo In-reply-to: <447F426D.3010809@dsl.pipex.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:02:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4480610D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You know... I can't be called an expert on art, but this does not look like Eleonora of Toledo, 2nd Duchess of Florence, to me. It looks like "our Eleonora's " niece Eleonora of Toledo,(she was the daughter of her brother Garcia). The younger Eleonora married Cosimo and Eleonora's youngest son Pietro (their 11th child)and was later murdered by him for supposed infidelity. (Not that he was any prize, but let's not go there...) The little dog (which is the same breed as the one shown in the painting Bronzino did called "the Lady with the Dog"( she is wearing a brilliant red dress) which has recently been identified as Maria Salviati, Cosimo's mother), means fidelity, but also sexual or marital love... The portrait in the BBC article is similar to at least 2 other paintings of the younger Eleonora I know of. I think the dress is in this portrait too late in style for "our Eleonora"-- the standing collar is a muchlater style. Our Eleonora had a very distinctive style that she brought with her to Florence. Also, if it was by Allori, I think he would have painted a more flattering portrait , such as the one in Duke Francesco's Studiolo, which made her look beautiful and healthy, just the was Francesco wanted to remember his mom. Alorri painting would have been posthumous anyway... Bronzino's portraits of "our" Eleonora show her very gaunt toward the end of her life and her style of clothing is consistant. Best Regards, Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Linda Walton Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 3:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo I heard about this miniature on the BBC radio news this evening:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm If you click to enlarge the image, you'll also see more of the painting. It's just been donated to the Berlin museum by a reporter who'd set out discover if -as it was - art looted during World War II. It goes on display tomorrow. If you'd like to hear the story told by the man himself, you should be able to find it on the BBC website's "Listen Again" facility, or maybe as a podcast download. It was the very last item, just before 6.00pm, on tonight's "PM" programme on Radio 4. Linda Walton, (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:05:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52G5Gd1006591 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:05:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52G5BbE004891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:05:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52G4uEX084303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52G4nrW080463; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:04:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k521tk74084436 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (69-29-247-140.dyn.centurytel.net[69.29.247.140]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2006060201554011200652s5e>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 01:55:40 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20060601185112.02099d38@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:55:37 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net In-Reply-To: <200606012200.k51LxYWS086951@net.indra.com> References: <200606012200.k51LxYWS086951@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Stash Enhancement Possibilities X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:05:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448061B7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 03:00 PM 6/1/2006, you wrote: >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:15:36 -0700 >From: Stephen >Subject: [h-cost] Stash Enhancement Possibilities > >Good news, bad news, and more bad news. > >The good news is that Hancock Fabrics at 7900 Florin Road in Sacramento >CA has everything marked off at least 30%. The bad news is that the sale >is because they are closing up the store. > >So this is a good chance to stock up on notions and staples as well as >getting some nice fabric and yarn at a good price. > >The more bad news is that the reason the store is closing is because the >area is not that safe. They have an armed guard in the store. So I would >not plan on going after dark. > >Don't know how long this sale is going to last, but the first ones there >get the best bones! > >Stephen Bergdahl That's very interesting, and somewhat disconcerting. The Hancock Fabrics in Bremerton, Washington (on Wheaton Way) is also closing, and also has everything currently at 30% off. No real excuse why the store is closing, but it just "isn't doing well". It's in a poor area. Not outright unsafe, but sort of grungy-commercial. Lots of discount type stores nearby. I sure hope this doesn't indicate something worse in store for the future of Hancocks. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:15:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GFKWG006943 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:15:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52GFGct021514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:15:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GEsRC085521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GEh4m088961; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:14:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5257Xlq029048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-86-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.86]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5257Up6023163 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:31 +1000 Message-ID: <00d601c68602$73617060$56daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1850s ballgown a lace berthe or fichu X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:15:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44806414.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO hello to the Victorian costumer's on the list (and my apologies to those who have already received this message from the reenactment ladies list), I've got a costume ball coming up in a couple of weeks and I'm wearing a very plain 1840s-50s style ballgown (it's a modern formal dress as I still haven't finished my 19th century corset so there's no point in constructing anything more authentic to go over the top) it has absolutely no decoration so I thought that I would dress it up with either a lace berthe like the woman on the right in this fashion plate http://formetoknow.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?full=1&set_albumName=album01&id=1853_Day_Evening_and_Bridal_Wear_L_iris28 (if that breaks up try http://snipurl.com/r8kw ) or a fichu like this 1859 'Marie Antoinette Fichu' http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/godey/images/s5901068.jpg (the pattern is here http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/godey/images/s5901069.jpg ). So does anybody know of a good resource on what lace looked like in this period preferably online? My original thought for recreating the lace berthe (which I would prefer as the bodice point is much more early 1850s than late 1850s) was to buy an embroidered sheer lace like the first 2 on this page http://www.trimfabric.com/sheer-lace-3.html and sew it onto a piece of organza so I've got one straight and one scalloped edge or an embroidered net lace like these http://www.trimfabric.com/embroidered-lace-3.html sewn onto tulle (the soft type used for bridal veils rather than the aggressive type used on modern bridal hoopskirts) my favourite at the moment is probably http://www.trimfabric.com/lt-80.html as my dress is dark purple and I like the idea of pink and purple but I can see possible problems matching the shade, so I'd probably be better off sticking with white. Other ideas on how to dress up a plain dress without any extra dress fabric are welcome but I've got time (I've got one week in which I can work solidly on this project after I've handed in my last essay for this term) and budget constraints. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:19:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GJ6T2007062 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52GJ1KE007718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GIj3I086140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GIZw1092940; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:18:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52AnWbk038695 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:49:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:49:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <447F2949.7050004@lavoltapress.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] WWI, was Victorian help? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:49:27 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 10:49:31.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[3ABC3EE0:01C68632] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:19:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448064F5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran, Is there a book on the 19teen years in the works??? The other books are amazing sources of information, but I don't work in to Victorian era any more...looking for more information, always, but now looking into the first part of the 20thC. Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:20:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GKak6007104 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:20:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52GKWgP008361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:20:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GI89Z086001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GEXbp088808; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:14:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k524KlUw093303 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m195.in-tch.com [216.166.191.195]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k524AmK09750 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:10:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001d01c685fc$fb35d5e0$c3bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> <4.3.1.2.20060531094824.025c2d28@mail.frys.com><200605312137.22905.cathy@thyrsus.com> <447F426D.3010809@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 22:28:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:20:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44806550.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sweet! Thanks for sharing! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo > I heard about this miniature on the BBC radio news > this evening:- > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm > If you click to enlarge the image, you'll also see > more of the painting. > > It's just been donated to the Berlin museum by a > reporter who'd set out discover if -as it was - > art looted during World War II. It goes on > display tomorrow. If you'd like to hear the story > told by the man himself, you should be able to > find it on the BBC website's "Listen Again" > facility, or maybe as a podcast download. It was > the very last item, just before 6.00pm, on > tonight's "PM" programme on Radio 4. > > Linda Walton, > (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:40:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GelSk007668 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52GehmM016258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:40:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GeSBO089876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GeCok013759; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Ge2Ol013490 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060602163947m1100gp009e>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:39:47 +0000 Received: from [192.150.22.150] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:39:47 +0000 From: colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:39:47 +0000 Message-Id: <060220061639.1287.448069D300062B680000050722007613940B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y29sbGVlbi5tY2RvbmFsZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:40:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44806A0B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Stephen Bergdahl wrote: <> Julie wrote: <> The Hancock Fabrics near 85th and Greenwood in Seattle is also closing. I wonder what's going on? I've had fairly good luck finding nice wools at Hancock in the winter. Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 12:49:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Gn7gG007901 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:49:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Gn3jn020863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:49:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52GmJFZ090946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Gm8F4020833; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:48:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Gm2c2020707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.120.102] (209-148-120-102.arc15.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.120.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k52Glw1f029103 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:47:59 -0700 Message-ID: <44806BBF.3050906@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:47:59 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WWI, was Victorian help? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44806BFF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We're going to do the entire period from the early 19th century into the early 1920s eventually, and are working on a book now (we're always working on one). However, we don't discuss any book until it's published, and we don't publish them in era-chronological order. Thanks for your interest. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Kelly Grant wrote: > > Fran, > Is there a book on the 19teen years in the works??? The other books are > amazing sources of information, but I don't work in to Victorian era any > more...looking for more information, always, but now looking into the > first part of the 20thC. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 13:14:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HEY3K008593 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HETtm031632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HCjNF094223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HCfN2043674; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:12:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52HCZvC043566 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:12:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 11325 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 17:21:43 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:21:43 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <63621.162.119.64.110.1149268474.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <060220061639.1287.448069D300062B680000050722007613940B040E02010B0C03D 2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> References: <060220061639.1287.448069D300062B680000050722007613940B040E02010B0C03D2020A0A0404010C@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 10:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:14:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448071F5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Stephen Bergdahl wrote: > < CA has everything marked off at least 30%. The bad news is that the sale > is because they are closing up the store.>> > Julie wrote: > < Bremerton, Washington (on Wheaton Way) is also closing, and also has > everything currently at 30% off.>> > The Hancock Fabrics near 85th and Greenwood in Seattle is also closing. > > I wonder what's going on? I've had fairly good luck finding nice wools at > Hancock in the winter. Colleen, If you need nice wools, please check out my website: www.RenaissanceFabrics.net My wool flannels are supplied by the same people that supplied Hancocks. And I try to keep my prices reasonable. I also will do special orders. Not being able to find good fabrics is why I started my fabric business :~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HQ8dK008923 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQ3YS005624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HPgSQ096231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HPePv056423; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HPakv056176 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2e3.7a177bf (2168) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:25:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2e3.7a177bf.31b1ce73@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:25:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850s ballgown a lace berthe or fichu To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:26:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448074AB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The fichu isn't very ball gown to me. A bertha would be more formal I think. I made an entire Ball gown out of Cafe curtain fabric I bought by the pound at a mill outlet. The stuff was only like 18" or 20" wide and I cut the hem off...which made it look very curtain-like...instead cutting around the lace pattern just above the straight hem...which made it scalloped. Yes it was 100% polyester but it looked great! So I'd say hit the curtain department of your local mill outlet and see what's lacy. You could even get enough to sew some tiers on the skirt maybe. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 13:55:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Htf6W009674 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:55:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HtZhR029043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:55:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HtCkJ005523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Ht7Jo083251; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52HsuNO083040 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16674 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:54:55 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:53:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing Thread-Index: AcaGaBpTx7rAl7TkTNKIAsMLS+InEwAA6ccg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k52HsuNO083040 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:55:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44807B97.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hancock's is part of a bigger corporation and if a store doesn't meet a certain profit margin, it gets closed. Wonder if Hancock's chain owners have changed in recent years--I've seen this happen here in Omaha when long-time independent or small chain stores voluntary sell controlling interests to a corporation. Sometimes, some stores get closed immediately; in others I've seen selections get fewer and/or "who the heck is choosing this stuff that no one would want to buy"--crosses my mind. Therefore, these stores stop attracting paying customers and then don't meet their profit margins. In the big business world, closing unprofitable stores, whether actual or created deliberately, is a tax write-off. Notice if your favorite chain fabric store isn't what is used to be for selection or not. The real owners may want to close it, forcing customers to drive further to another store in the chain, or go online. Like we are going to buy all of our fabric online--sometimes you do have to see, feel(and smell)fabric for real before laying out big bucks! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 14:06:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52I6TcU009931 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:06:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52I6PTG030643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:06:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52I5Nb9007064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52I5BYp093491; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu [169.147.4.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52I558i093220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k52I4vh36644 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:04:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 02 Jun 2006 13:04:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:04:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:04:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Another Hancock's closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:06:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44807E21.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Stephen Bergdahl wrote: <> Julie wrote: <> The Hancock Fabrics near 85th and Greenwood in Seattle is also closing. I wonder what's going on? I've had fairly good luck finding nice wools at Hancock in the winter. Colleen =============================== Chalk up another one in the Greater Kansas City area on the Missouri side. Not a bad area of town but it has had a few upheavels over the last several years from road construction. Sounds like they are consolidating. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 14:13:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IDkOP010090 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:13:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52IDgo4005373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:13:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52ICtUP007931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52ICfmg000866; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52ICPMh000574 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 23385 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 18:12:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.195.66 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jun 2006 18:12:19 -0000 Message-ID: <44807F84.4070002@fenris.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:12:20 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44807FD6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Abel, Cynthia wrote: > Notice if your favorite chain fabric store isn't what is used to be for > selection or not. The real owners may want to close it, forcing > customers to drive further to another store in the chain, or go online. > Like we are going to buy all of our fabric online--sometimes you do have > to see, feel(and smell)fabric for real before laying out big bucks! The cutters at the local (chain) fabric store always ask me what I am working on (I only buy stuff like muslin for patterning, really cheap $2 fabric for experiments, commercial patterns on sale, and some notions from local fabric stores). When I tell them, for instance, that I am working on a wool suit they ask "where did you find wool?" I tell them "on-line". So sad when the people working in a fabric store are desperate to find out where wool and silk and linen are available. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 14:20:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IKSrB010233 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52IKO1j007039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IJQN5008688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IJBRW006226; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts43.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IJ2Jc006037 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.18]) by tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:18:36 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: To: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:18:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cotton conundrum? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44808168.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Forwarded from a friend: ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Dating back to ancient Egypt, India and Peru, short-fiber cotton was grown in a variety of natural colors (tan, red, green, gray, and brown). Around 300 B.C.,, Alexander the Great brought the "vegetable wool" to Europe, and the natural varieties flourished there for centuries." This is a direct quote from the back page of Threads magazine (July 2006 number 125), which shows a picture of colored cotton. I wasn't aware that you could grow colored cotton and thought I would share this. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This somehow sounds strange to me, does anyone here know the validity of it? Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 14:20:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IKkTt010243 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52IKgpj032401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IJmV5008795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IJlbn006827; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IJhD9006674 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (69-29-247-140.dyn.centurytel.net[69.29.247.140]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20060602181937113007pa5pe>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:19:38 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20060602111028.0206bdf8@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:19:35 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing In-Reply-To: <200606021755.k52HtOt3083504@net.indra.com> References: <200606021755.k52HtOt3083504@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:20:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4480817A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 10:55 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: >Message: 15 >Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:53:53 -0500 >From: "Abel, Cynthia" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Another Hancock's closing >To: "Historical Costume" > >Hancock's is part of a bigger corporation and if a store doesn't meet a >certain profit margin, it gets closed. Wonder if Hancock's chain owners >have changed in recent years--I've seen this happen here in Omaha when >long-time independent or small chain stores voluntary sell controlling >interests to a corporation. Sometimes, some stores get closed >immediately; in others I've seen selections get fewer and/or "who the >heck is choosing this stuff that no one would want to buy"--crosses my >mind. Therefore, these stores stop attracting paying customers and then >don't meet their profit margins. In the big business world, closing >unprofitable stores, whether actual or created deliberately, is a tax >write-off. > >Notice if your favorite chain fabric store isn't what is used to be for >selection or not. The real owners may want to close it, forcing >customers to drive further to another store in the chain, or go online. >Like we are going to buy all of our fabric online--sometimes you do have >to see, feel(and smell)fabric for real before laying out big bucks! > >Cindy Abel I don't know about the chain in general, but the Bremerton Hancocks has a couple of problems unique to it's location. It is in an awkward spot on the street, sort of behind a lumberyard and very easy to drive right past it. Also, it is right across the street from Pacific Fabrics, a local chain fabric store with a very extensive, high quality inventory. I think Hancocks was the lower in that particular competition. Also, just down the road in Silverdale is a large JoAnn's ETC store. The Bremerton Hancocks just did a big reorganization of the store last fall, perhaps in an attempt to spiff up their image, but I guess it was too little, too late. The store manager said Hancocks has no plans to repoen the store in another/better location (even though there is the perfect location in Silverdale that will be vacant in about 4 months). I'm starting to have a bad feeling about the future of Hancock Fabrics.... Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 14:28:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IS5LK010367 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:28:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52IS1gT004003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:28:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IRi1g009768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IRSsK013211; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52IRME0012994 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 49910 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 18:27:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j1Zn22t0BxGKfsOslSbpu8w2MXpvv6pmExqcqWdb1HdFFalG24ZkmbPNBVccw7OhDE/g1rK14h5mgprzCQYqn/n2QB2WgvSKlV9WYHR2qzloENIjGqJmkc73q3S6dDt1TQYhFKWH/wjqGdtcAwuQTonuEEmO0rrS4KL45fIMrlk= ; Message-ID: <20060602182716.49908.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:27:16 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:28:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44808331.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just did an article search and it seems that Hancock will be closing 50 stores and go from 5 regions to 3. I couldn't find a listing of which stores are being closed. There are 8 locations listed in Ohio, but the closest to me is over an hour away. When I want to do some serious shopping I go visit my folks in Washington, DC and go to G Street. Boy do I miss living near Los Angeles and the garment district!!! Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 14:33:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IX30W010492 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:33:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52IWxjq006399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:33:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IWgE2010354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52IWeGv017620; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52IWcV7017508 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 31049 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 18:32:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=STJy4hF8rk59G9ikT3E39eImHNlHlx+HrBkbshQvZtlwhweTJHPFBSVWJoun8Yj3+Nv71MGzxakeTl9qCfzN5d1eQ9YV+hnqlxHzOk4FNBtNbahyutotszuYwK5lta9B1NCWV45HsQF7F4JsEDOhcc2YD30Hvnx7b7D++2U8v/w= ; Message-ID: <20060602183232.31047.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:32:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606021755.k52HtOt2083504@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k52IWcV7017508 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:33:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4480845B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, that painting is nearly dead-on to about 5 paintings attributed to several artists. A few months back I was digging into the source of an lithograph I had found in Levi-Piesetsky (sp? I'm lazy today). I was trying to find out who this Bahuet guy was, and we came to the general conclusion that she made an error in the translations to his name or something like that, that it was likely based on something else. I had said the same thing, that the dates given didn't match that of Eleanora. Some of the other paintings that came up relative said they were ladies of her court, not Herself. The others that look like this one are dated in the 1540-1560's range. I have the fabric and trimmings, even the gold couching pattern ready.... just a matter of getting to making the thing.... so many projects, so little time. Especially when I have one that has me painted into a corner like that Florentine hose I am knawing on.... no one has any ideas on how to do this? Anyone? Bueller? Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 I heard about this miniature on the BBC radio news this evening:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm If you click to enlarge the image, you'll also see more of the painting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 15:00:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J0XGa011214 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:00:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52J0S2h018485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:00:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J0D1F014324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J06RI042679; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J00Zm042472 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:00:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ed.326fee1 (16109) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d44 (mblk-d44.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.228]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed44808aa389; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:59:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:59:47 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8548DDA886EA7-1B3C-E19@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:59:47 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.228 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Slightly OT -- pattern art X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44808ACC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ever wondered what to do with those defunct pattern pieces? Need just the right piece of art for your sewing room wall? Take a look at this website. http://esart.com/paintings/showwork.php?s=pattern My favorites are the "rockpiles." :) Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 15:04:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J4KaP011370 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:04:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52J4FUE029319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J3ZQx014721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J3ZS2046030; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52J3BeO045533 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:03:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c9.3517d6e (15702) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d44 (mblk-d44.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.228]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID53-3d5644808b6689; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:03:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:03:02 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8548E4E84B3B7-1B3C-E5B@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:03:02 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 17385 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.228 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Leather dyeing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:04:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44808BAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all-- Can one of you dye experts out there tell me if Procion dyes work on leather? I'm about to take the leap into dyeing my own fabrics for my dolls, and it would be cool if I could buy a bleached hide and dye my own leather for their shoes, too. Thanks! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 15:15:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JFvMR011666 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:15:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52JFq91027743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:15:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JFQaq016302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:15:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JFGMx056680; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JEZC3056090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.125.181] (209-148-125-181.arc16.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.125.181]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k52JEUeN005357 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:14:31 -0700 Message-ID: <44808E18.3030105@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:14:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton conundrum? References: <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44808E68.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh yes. There's a modern revival. I've owned socks made of it. Here is a web page on the history of colored cotton: http://www.perunaturtex.com/scientif.htm Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca wrote: > Forwarded from a friend: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Dating back to ancient Egypt, India and Peru, short-fiber cotton was grown in a variety of natural colors (tan, red, green, gray, and brown). Around 300 B.C.,, Alexander the Great brought the "vegetable wool" to Europe, and the natural varieties flourished there for centuries." > This is a direct quote from the back page of Threads magazine (July 2006 number 125), which shows a picture of colored cotton. > I wasn't aware that you could grow colored cotton and thought I would share this. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 15:55:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JtcuE012771 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:55:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52JtYjx030343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:55:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JtACq022331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Jt4R5092450; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:55:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Jssem092231 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52JsfbX014329 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003c01c6867e$61bb6470$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060602182716.49908.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:54:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:55:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448097B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There used to be loads more Hancock stores in Ohio. A several years ago, on the way home from Pennsic, I stopped at the store in Boardman. The manager told me that all of the stores in a 200 mile radius had been closed. So far as I can see, there are no more Hancocks in the Cleveland area. I once wrote to them 4 or 5 years ago and asked if they'd consider putting a store in the Akron/Canton area and was told that there wasn't a customer base. I think that they're afraid of Jo-Anns (corporate office in Hudson, just 15 minutes north of Akron). kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 15:59:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JxaLE012884 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:59:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52JxVNt016110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JxHRw022905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JxBnd096422; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:59:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52JvCHY094395 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39707 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 19:57:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FlXmsKOTiHVEUwvh1+ZvBTmQe2j/i6ktJOoT9SL0D9cijkTi4Ie5T5gHE86OSkjmb6MqDkZ6QVERqNj+CMOjIImB8iEIff0hf/0uRypn7Jb8N7uKhYWEV/2i1ZlQ8qyM2OGrph8G81gtk+AyZyQb+zbKTvlpAVb9I5lWZNlsHTE= ; Message-ID: <20060602195706.39705.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:57:06 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:57:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Hancock's closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:59:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448098A3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is definitely something rotten in the state of ....HANCOCK'S. The two down here in Charlotte, NC are stinky. They reek to me of "this store is going out of business, this store in on the verge of bankruptcy" After a while you can get to be able to tell the symptoms. And this is horrible for the state of home sewing in the states. There are some home dec stores down here, but Hancock's was really the only game in town for garment sewing besides Walmart, which I hate to patronize because they are partially responsible in the first place for the lack of smaller stores, The nearest Jo'ann's is about 90 miles away, but it looks like I'll have to start going there. I yearn for G street fabrics in the Washington DC area, and it's broad upmarket selection. Wal mart is really the kudzu of retail. They're cheep, put they never really have what you want or need. And they kill off all the competition, and don't have real wool or other natural fibres Wild generalizations follows.....I really hate that so much of America doesn't really make any thing (present company excepted) Everybody is marketing and advertising and selling. For me knitting, and sewing, and quilting, actually making things, even if they don't come out so good. After a day pushing papers and pounding keyboards, it's good to have something in my hands. Costume content...and further ranting Has anybody else this side of the pond had a conniption over the price of linnen? I went to buy a bit to make an 18c cent shirt. and WOW, it was about 4-5 US dollars more than the last bit I bout last year!! now the quality available was really nice and I want tot buy some for some caps, but it was a bit too fine for a common soldiers shirt. I guess I have to break down and buy a bolt. Mia in Charlotte, NC and you wondered why they call me Snappy Mia and I'm now going into the corner to cool off __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 16:04:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52K3xNV013021 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:03:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52K3rXA025445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:03:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52K3ZuC023548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52K3U1x000500; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net (mail1.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Iq0ha035150 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k52IpxcF077999 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00e201c68675$a1103f50$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:51:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cotton conundrum? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k52K3xNV013021 Status: RO For some reason, I can never find "Threads" articles online, but I was able to find these website about color-grown cottons: http://www.perunaturtex.com/scientif.htm and http://invention.smithsonian.org/centerpieces/ilives/lecture12.html and http://www.vreseis.com/sally_fox_story.htm Natalie http://www.fantasy-sewing.com I'm an addict, but the only 12 Step program I'm interested in is the twelve steps from here over to that bolt of fabric over there... ----- Original Message ----- From: shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cotton conundrum? Forwarded from a friend: ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Dating back to ancient Egypt, India and Peru, short-fiber cotton was grown in a variety of natural colors (tan, red, green, gray, and brown). Around 300 B.C.,, Alexander the Great brought the "vegetable wool" to Europe, and the natural varieties flourished there for centuries." This is a direct quote from the back page of Threads magazine (July 2006 number 125), which shows a picture of colored cotton. I wasn't aware that you could grow colored cotton and thought I would share this. -------------------------------------------------------------------- This somehow sounds strange to me, does anyone here know the validity of it? Sheridan P. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 16:07:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52K7IfV013102 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:07:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52K7Eo7026997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:07:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52K6taA024041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52K6nBW003560; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52IuFCs038978 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 12:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from primevalooze@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87150 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 18:56:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Eq0OuhLoQitHC9NifI0M/DtH+ota6X1INfzmXYxK8lZ8aB/dQ91NHkBGE6CYafv2BtYZg6c//eF/OM6ccuPg1OmW2jXy3CQjjjg6yggU+MBiIIesfzP9YoUvnW0KJRkt/aIC4zoTghqGdtYDQUAC9Bn6VvekXm9X6Lq71yOkfqI= ; Message-ID: <20060602185610.87148.qmail@web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.65.105.218] by web82306.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:56:10 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynda Boots Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton conundrum? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:07:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44809A72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In Arizona, a tan and a green cotton are grown today. Don't know about colors in antiquity. Lynda --- shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca wrote: > Forwarded from a friend: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Dating back to ancient Egypt, India and Peru, > short-fiber cotton was grown in a variety of natural > colors (tan, red, green, gray, and brown). Around > 300 B.C.,, Alexander the Great brought the > "vegetable wool" to Europe, and the natural > varieties flourished there for centuries." > This is a direct quote from the back page of Threads > magazine (July 2006 number 125), which shows a > picture of colored cotton. > I wasn't aware that you could grow colored cotton > and thought I would share this. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This somehow sounds strange to me, does anyone here > know the validity of it? > > Sheridan P. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 16:19:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KJJ45013467 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:19:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52KJFKY011381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:19:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KIddp025664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KIXZw013440; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52JgJup080972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FmFXF-00049h-GS; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:42:17 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:42:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20060602154217.7gcu550q74oo00o0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:42:17 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cotton conundrum? 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Status: RO Quoting shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca: > Forwarded from a friend: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Dating back to ancient Egypt, India and Peru, short-fiber cotton was > grown in a variety of natural colors (tan, red, green, gray, and > brown). Around 300 B.C.,, Alexander the Great brought the "vegetable > wool" to Europe, and the natural varieties flourished there for > centuries." > This is a direct quote from the back page of Threads magazine (July > 2006 number 125), which shows a picture of colored cotton. > I wasn't aware that you could grow colored cotton and thought I would > share this. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This somehow sounds strange to me, does anyone here know the validity of it? > If you're asking about the Historical Validity of colored cotton, I can't say. However, I do know that colored cotton is currently being grown. Dunno if they're heirloom plants or not. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 16:21:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KL4YF013517 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:21:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52KL0It000314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:21:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KKLEx025994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KKKsu015233; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52KKENL014955 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 49535 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 20:20:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xTiPIf+U/iV6I7dU0OFjPoOvWE4cJEjI5xcrhB66EZBwK3gY1kaHGFzW7wtfYABLTL/dN8cdExLtYXyOITLzXQRUNmE79ql3lOItCO+IwFVh7a3Kogbv8BDIfWsZ4VmKMn57MEBoL+pHxFHGKWSGNhp1oP6D1nLZsF0XYVtBqwo= ; Message-ID: <20060602202006.49533.qmail@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:20:06 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:20:06 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003c01c6867e$61bb6470$2f02a8c0@Duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:21:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44809DAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, they must have heard you because they list a store in Poland, which is in the Akron/Canton area. Then there is one in Columbus area and the others are split between Dayton and Cincinnati. I don't think they have much to worry about from JoAnn's. From what I can see they are turning into a craft/decorating store. My local store has less and less fine fashion fabric while the craft and quilting sections grows. Last winter they didn't have any wool at all. And can someone explain why a fabric store needs a candy section near the register? --- Ailith Mackintosh wrote: > There used to be loads more Hancock stores in Ohio. > A several years ago, on > the way home from Pennsic, I stopped at the store in > Boardman. The manager > told me that all of the stores in a 200 mile radius > had been closed. So far > as I can see, there are no more Hancocks in the > Cleveland area. > > I once wrote to them 4 or 5 years ago and asked if > they'd consider putting a > store in the Akron/Canton area and was told that > there wasn't a customer > base. > > I think that they're afraid of Jo-Anns (corporate > office in Hudson, just 15 > minutes north of Akron). > > kate > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 16:49:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Kn3qb014317 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:49:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52KmwHV006074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:49:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Kmb7w029704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KmYMt038065; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52KmSUD037959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24162 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FmGZP-0000z5-5P for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:48:36 -0500 Message-ID: <02f201c68685$e6a2a930$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> <8C8548E4E84B3B7-1B3C-E5B@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leather dyeing Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:48:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:49:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4480A43B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've had good luck dyeing leather with any dye that works on other protein fibers (wool/silk), though the color generally winds up a bit different. The best way I've found to 'set' (probably not technically the correct term) the dye on leather is to dip it into a vat of white vinegar right after dyeing, and before rinsing--you'll be amazed at how fast the water runs clear. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 17:07:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L7rmI014778 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52L7nbO016271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:07:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L750m031901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L70HL053060; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L6foK052839 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=jiw5aVqM696bRADq8C9vUfmxz5o2JWDV/0yXWSaVDIxJkcnpDShgkb8YR5DnyEin; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.27] (helo=mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FmGqs-0001Dt-C6 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:06:38 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <8602469.1149282398337.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:06:38 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c5dcb1f5674f5f0dd3cc7a9307bddf190350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.27 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:07:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4480A8A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I actually don't see much difference where I am in the inventories carried by Hancock's, Jo-Ann's and the fabric sections of Beverlee's. All of them are now about half-and-half fabric and "crafts." While each of them has some things the others don't, that means they are in _more_ direct competition than ever before. That doesn't bode well for all of the chains surviving. I went into the local Hancock's lately (about four blocks from where I work -- not the one on Florin Road) and noticed that they now have a certain number of "prime" seasonal fabrics up front -- silks, crepes and so forth -- and then the rest of the fabric section is all flat folded or discounted fabrics. That's not a good sign either.... but I like the store because it's been run locally by a very nice group of staff and a manager who's both friendly and competent. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 17:31:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LVK1v015339 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:31:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52LVFg8002175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:31:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LSbvf034900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L36bS049859; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L2dAo049472 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8DF3141DC for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200606022003.k52K3V4h000524@net.indra.com> References: <200606022003.k52K3V4h000524@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:02:18 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k52L2dAo049472 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:colored cotton... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:31:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4480AE23.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 2:03 PM -0600 6/2/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >This is a direct quote from the back page of Threads magazine (July >2006 number 125), which shows a picture of colored cotton. >I wasn't aware that you could grow colored cotton and thought I >would share this. > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This somehow sounds strange to me, does anyone here know the validity of it? Yup it's true. My Dad worked for the USDA as the Small Grains germplasm collector (he got to parts of the Middle East and the USSR to harvest small grains that are now bombed out...and brought back Cool Stuff) and one of his best buds was the Cotton Guy--who maintained an 'orchard' of cotton plants--in a wild range of colors that he collected worldwide. Bet you could write the USDA and ask about the Cotton Germplasm Bank. Cotton Collection (COT) USDA, ARS Crop Germplasm Research, 2765 F&B Road College Station, Texas 77845 Phone: (979) 260-9209 FAX: 979-260-9333 E-Mail: cotep@ars-grin.gov I have a bit of purple cotton that I just got around here somewhere to spin up... I've heard rumors of blue that is not recycled denim, but not located any yet... Oh and Thanks! Now I am forced, forced I tell ya back to a book store to buy Threads--The new dinosaur pop up book is also awaiting me Obligatory costume content: Having fits over cutting into the mass of wonderful fine linen for undies. Am dealing by measuring 4 times, checking the maths, and then slowly cutting the first shirt out...Sunday. And the #^$#%#@ stockings need some frogging--I think I lost some calf girth as the Season kicks in and the haul the muck/walk the dogs up and down the 200 yard track 4 times an event/pull weeds weight control program starts up again! But this time its only --sob-- about 30 rows out of the 200. And then the decreases go really fast. So yes this is the 4th attempt at the second, they *will* match pair of fitted stockings. Believe me there will be much Joy when I get to the feet! Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 17:34:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LYYHu015408 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:34:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52LYUUk029846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:34:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LXdns035652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LXchx075602; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52106.mail.yahoo.com (web52106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52LXaDP075511 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 73130 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 21:33:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dD0F6hkf8liVTBwj3rtYoDbMji+V2apkrGJjT0kiXPpDZVmWOVDqYG8T4f9sX1LylNprzaEuOtu0+/+o3PA89FKnKubTHRL0JNvdKarenEUKIJ1eJRUz5kbi9rg4SZrruBzJzgbFPjumElb+S84SkPbqV00OzUKfWJx0S/7ZwaM= ; Message-ID: <20060602213330.73128.qmail@web52106.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606022003.k52K3V4g000524@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k52LXaDP075511 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Hancock's closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:34:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4480AEE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Mia, There is a reason for the sharp jump in price. I am right now making up a wholesale order for super spiffy linen from Ulster Linen in NY. Apparently, the Czech Republic, where most of the mid-lower grade linens were being made, more or less are getting out of that business. This leaves the higher end, higher prices linen producers in Ireland, Belgium and Italy to bear the market. and since they have the lions' share, they can drive the price up to whatever they want, and frustratingly, get it. I am unsure about the Indian market right now, or their quality. It's possible that is where the purchasers for the major chains are getting their goods from. However I was caught in the so-called 100% linen rook not long ago. I went to Toronto to buy linen, and found it for 6.50/m, they listed it as 100% linen. It wasn't. I got it home and while using it in my project, couldn't figure out why is was behaving strangely. I came to realise it had 3% lycra in it. They just can't leave the damned stuff alone; they have to put modern convenience crap in everything. That's why I am resorting to buying wholesale - not that it saves me a great deal, but I am getting the top end stuff wholesale for what some people are paying for mid grade stuff retail- and I *know* this stuff is pure. It had better be for the price I am paying for it. Almost no one is stocking high end linens right now because it's just too pricey to sit on that stock. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 Costume content...and further ranting Has anybody else this side of the pond had a conniption over the price of linnen? I went to buy a bit to make an 18c cent shirt. and WOW, it was about 4-5 US dollars more than the last bit I bout last year!! now the quality available was really nice and I want tot buy some for some caps, but it was a bit too fine for a common soldiers shirt. I guess I have to break down and buy a bolt. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 17:52:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LqP4J015771 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52LqLpn011884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LpXis037854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LpODG089653; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52LpL6f089524 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:51:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060602215115m14007rmr6e>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:51:15 +0000 Received: from [67.176.125.129] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:51:15 +0000 From: eirenetz@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:51:15 +0000 Message-Id: <060220062151.4558.4480B2D300000E67000011CE2200750784969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWlyZW5ldHpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:52:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4480B315.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran's books cover 1877-1882; the patterns and instructions in her books are specifically those with which I am seeking assistance. Since interpreting the patterns and instructions in Volume 1 seems to be dependant upon having Volume 2 (Volumes 1 & 2 being everything Fran said she could provide) I may have to "punt" on this particular project. Or settle on a pattern or two from Truly Victorian, which hasn't got exactly what I'm looking for. Melanie -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: AlbertCat@aol.com > Well, "Victorian" covers a lot of time [1839-1906?] and a lot of silhouettes > so you need to be a little more specific. I mean, an 1840s frock coat does > not look like an 1890s frock coat. And lots of clothes were still made by > hand, and the patterns reflect this, up until the late 1860s [they all were > until > the 1840s...and then it was considered sorta low life to have machine made > clothes, especially women's, until the 1870s]. Things get complicated in a new > way when the machine comes into play. > > You'll have to give us more info, because the developing pattern business of > the time HAD no real standards yet [for markings and symbols] and many > patterns have the pieces printed on top of one another. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 18:14:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52ME6wl016273 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:14:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52ME28O010226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MDK2O042152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MDIYm008549; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MDD5N008466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.59] (209-148-122-59.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k52MDB6A010361 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4480B7FA.5040705@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:13:14 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? References: <060220062151.4558.4480B2D300000E67000011CE2200750784969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <060220062151.4558.4480B2D300000E67000011CE2200750784969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:14:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4480B82A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, actually, quite a lot of people have managed to make up patterns from Volume 1 without buying Volume 2. I repeated over 40 pages of directions for using the patterns in both volumes, as well as the glossary and some other material, so no one HAS to buy both books (though many people do). But you did specifically ask for BOOK recommendations for books on sewing Victorian patterns. (Not, BTW, for recommendations for patterns in envelopes, which you apparently already know all about. Note that there is no reason why someone should not buy multiple patterns and sources if they are interested in an era; most serious costumers do.) The dressmaking manual for Volume 2 is certainly the book (or part of one) mostly closely related to the material in Volume 1. You do, however, actually have to read and examine the material you are given, and have some specific ideas of what you need to know. Rather than a formless "Ohmigod I don't want to deal with it, so it must be bad" complaint that mushes together every pattern, illustration, technique, set of directions, and procedure in an entire 469-page book (as well as, to some extent, the styles of the entire Victorian era). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com eirenetz@comcast.net wrote: > Fran's books cover 1877-1882; the patterns and instructions in her books are specifically those with which I am seeking assistance. Since interpreting the patterns and instructions in Volume 1 seems to be dependant upon having Volume 2 (Volumes 1 & 2 being everything Fran said she could provide) I may have to "punt" on this particular project. Or settle on a pattern or two from Truly Victorian, which hasn't got exactly what I'm looking for. > > Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 18:43:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MhcXf016953 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:43:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52MhXPS021660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:43:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Mh9si046575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Mh6bE031883; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MgxZF031777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.59] (209-148-122-59.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.59]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k52MgwVM020469 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:42:58 -0700 Message-ID: <4480BEF4.7070204@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:43:00 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? 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Status: RO I might add that if you have a specific question, and you actually want to do something constructive (other than publicly trashing the book and/or promoting a friends' pattern line at its expense), there is no reason why you should not send me a private email. Fran Lavolta Press wrote: > Well, actually, quite a lot of people have managed to make up patterns > from Volume 1 without buying Volume 2. I repeated over 40 pages of > directions for using the patterns in both volumes, as well as the > glossary and some other material, so no one HAS to buy both books > (though many people do). > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 18:51:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MpwqM017141 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:51:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52MpsBh023768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:51:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MpGNB047700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MpE59037921; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52MpAQX037814 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:51:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060602225105m1200ma67me>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:51:05 +0000 Message-ID: <4480C0D7.9020609@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:51:03 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? 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Status: RO Fran, I'm sorry, but I don't think that getting on the defensive is terribly constructive here. She wasn't trashing your work and she didn't promote someone else's. In fact, it seems that, for someone just starting out in the world of more complicated sewing, a little friendly help might go down better than attitude. She did buy your book, after all... :) Marie > I might add that if you have a specific question, and you actually > want to do something constructive (other than publicly trashing the > book and/or promoting a friends' pattern line at its expense), there > is no reason why you should not send me a private email. > > Fran > > Lavolta Press wrote: > Melanie - If you are more of a tactile/visual learner, as I am, it might help you to get in touch with someone in your area who can show you some of the more complicated and less intuitive techniques of this era. I was intimidated as well with this genre of clothing and, fantasy or not, getting the basic structure and techniques down in person is just so very helpful. I personally don't know of a guide, but I'd be willing to help you off list. Just let me know. :) Marie >I just purchased Fashions of the Guilded Age, Vol. 1 to do some Victorian-inspired fantasy clothing. It's a wonderful book with patterns and everything, but I'm bamboozled. I've done SCA-era clothing ("Patterns? We don't need no steeenking patterns!") for years, but I'm a babe in the woods when it comes to interpreting these patterns. One obviously has to be conversant with Victorian tailoring for these drawings and directions to be meaningful. > >For instance, the directions will say, "Cut a slit in the back along the solid line, and hem the edges narrow." Which solid line?; there are two. Then what?? Or, "pleat the front and back as indicated on the pattern." The number of circles and x's don't necessarily match. And then there the inexplicable solid lines at odd angles, marked with circles and x's. What are they? Cut them open or not? If I cut it open, there's a flap of fabric dangling, and the directions give no clue as to where it goes. The topography makes no sense. > >Is there a guide to Victorian patterns for the modern sewer out there anywhere? > >Melanie Unruh-Bays >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 19:04:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52N4puk017399 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:04:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52N4lUp030567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:04:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52N3wtx049269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52N3vWL047354; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52N3qBn047289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.200] (209-148-122-200.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k52N3o1r020863 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:03:51 -0700 Message-ID: <4480C3D8.6040804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:03:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? 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Status: RO IShe wasn't trashing your work and she didn't > promote someone else's No, but she and probably a group of other people are about to start doing so. I've seen this discussion before. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 19:54:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52Nruv7018373 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:54:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52NrqWq015594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L7fEr032009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k52L7e47053793; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k52L7aPV053750 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 29422 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 21:16:46 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:16:46 -0700 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6893.162.119.64.110.1149282575.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <20060602202006.49533.qmail@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <003c01c6867e$61bb6470$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060602202006.49533.qmail@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:53:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4480CF90.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > And can someone explain why a fabric store needs a > candy section near the register? Because they are turning into a "Michael's" (ick!) and they have candy for the kiddies who come with their moms. Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 20:18:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530IYTp018895 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:18:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k530ITKs017231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:18:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530I19m057324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:18:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530HukX096730; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.193]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530Hqu1096671 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l1so661595nzf for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:17:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=dVLzwyVF0R69Z7mfMtKcssQRZIGTwAe4UJb6u3fTIi8ulQK8v/JvSxqGJISQo66D4da4tkMg7k0F4bAxqtBvr9p/XKWEaoyONRfGGgC/FMqUVc1C3j0UzoX8rsx7M1VhGFNf71TGcYlIL6/Um+Yjy+ya2FEp1VNC34GhnVFPZ4Y= Received: by 10.65.219.7 with SMTP id w7mr2355811qbq; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q15sm53365qbq.2006.06.02.17.17.50; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <021001c686a3$296e6610$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc><007c01c681b1$110c96b0$154d4e40@Stuckis><009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion> <200605302138.23165.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts about Crochet (was Re: [h-cost] Multiple textiletechniques...) 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Status: RO > I knew how to knit as a kid, but at the time was not really interested in > keeping the skill up, and it's not really a period technique for the Dark > Ages costumes I'm interested in doing now. (That's why I've taken up > nalbinding).... Nalbinding... now that's something I have to try at some point... (as if I didn't have enough already :-) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 20:20:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530KTXQ018957 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:20:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k530KPMr018287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:20:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530JbnL057455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530JaLP097750; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530JWgX097624 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4b5.e274ef (3948) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <4b5.e274ef.31b22f71@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:18:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? 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Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2006 5:52:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, eirenetz@comcast.net writes: Fran's books cover 1877-1882; ************************** Wow...ESP...OOOOoooooOOOOooooOOOO... When I 1st read your pattern problems, I thought "She's making a bustle gown.". Some advice....even though I haven't seen the patterns your working with. If its the draped skirts that are confusing you, it's sometimes better to glance at the overall pattern piece, and just drape it up yourself to get the look you want. Just take a piece of muslin and play with it. It's very helpful because sometimes it's like tying your shoe: It easier to do than to describe. It's very instructive just taking like a straight length, gathering one end and pining it to the dummy and pulling it up here and there to see how it acts. It can be fun too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 20:23:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530NU77019212 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:23:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k530NQGX015770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530NC3c057966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530NBGV099906; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530N698099836 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FmJuy493z-0006fu; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:23:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c686a3$dbc52740$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060602182716.49908.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003c01c6867e$61bb6470$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:22:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:23:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4480D67E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The problem with Joann's and Hancock had to face is the amount of people sewing have drastically reduced over the years. All of our Joann's closed up about five or so years ago while they were in bankruptcy. The problem about location is that most of Hancock were built three or more decades ago. Most were in a good location at the time. Now that traffic patterns have changed in most cities, their once good location is no longer easy to access or in a good neighborhood. I have lived in our location 20 years. The only Hancock to close was a Hancock Warehouse store. Which was huge and had the biggest selection I have every seen. It closed about 10 years ago. All the other fabric stores closed a long time ago. We used to have a really nice chain fabric store called Piece Goods. Its been gone a for long time. I never liked the Joann's when it was here. It was more like Michael's Craft than a fabric store. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 20:26:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530Q9jG019492 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:26:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k530Q5g9016262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:26:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530PWFw058101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:25:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530P63e001121; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530OuZu000973 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:25:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.470.28a5515 (3948) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:24:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <470.28a5515.31b230cd@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:24:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:26:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4480D71D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2006 7:04:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: I've seen this discussion before. ************** Hmmmmm.... Anyway, I'd like to check out the books. Where can I get them? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 20:34:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530YVIK020349 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:34:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k530YRgg027570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:34:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530XrmL059023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530Xk2P007921; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530Xehx007802 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FmK5D19Oz-0005Av; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:33:40 -0400 Message-ID: <003e01c686a5$55d24fd0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060602195706.39705.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Hancock's closing Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:33:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4480D913.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Mia, When Joann's was in bankruptcy, part of the aggreement was that they closed down a lot of stores in Virginia and North Carolina. Since you are in Charlotte, can you please answer a couple of questions for me. I have been teaching my students the history of textile mills in the U.S. this past week. When we used to drive through your area down I-85, I loved seeing all the textile mills. Someone told me that they have closed down. Is this true? I always loved stopping by their outlets stores and buying sheets and such. My trip south last summer, I didn't see the signs on the highway for the mill outlet stores. My grandmother was a spinner and weaver at the mill at Rock Hill, SC. Is there a book or museum about the mills in your area. There is a really good video about the textile industry in the U.S. called "Empires of Industry: Textiles: Birth of an American Industry. The History Channel produced the video in 1996. They do cover the Burlington mills in NC. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 20:36:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530aiMt020382 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:36:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k530aeGu018812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:36:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530aTod059731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530aQgK010735; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k530aKqu010657 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1FmK7n1vCJ-0006eC; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:36:20 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c686a5$b54128b0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060602202006.49533.qmail@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:36:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 20:36:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4480D998.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Rebecca, This is the way our Joann's was before it closed. If I want to go to a crafts store, Michael's and Ben Franklins is so much better. Joann's wasn't even a good craft store when it was here. The merchandise was of a cheap quality. Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 21:19:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531JZ2P021478 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k531JVmN029435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531J7A9063831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531J3CL039752; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:19:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531J026039706 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:19:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.151] (pm5-151.eos.net [205.133.149.151]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k531IwRV012245 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:18:59 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:05:34 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200606022003.k52K3V4h000524@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: hancocks and joannes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:19:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4480E3A3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The local Joannes here closed in March (wah! not the best fabric but at least it was close), along with another one in the city. Now there are only two left, the nearest about 1/2 hour away. But at least there is a fairly close Hancocks -- or so I thought. It's looking quite lean there, though the people who work there swear they've been told they aren't closing. Several others are. That leaves Hobby Lobby and Walmart. Blech. Gail Finke -- Cincinnati _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 21:38:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531cWOg021994 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:38:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k531cRHR001631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531bpRK065444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:37:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531bjBX050093; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531bcoV050055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.110] (209-148-124-110.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k531bb9K030392 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:37:37 -0700 Message-ID: <4480E7E1.3050005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 18:37:37 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? 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Status: RO From us, and from many bookstores; although we don't know exactly which ones have them in stock, because most of our sales go through Ingram (the 800-pound-gorilla wholesaler of the book industry). If you want to see the books before buying, if you are in southern CA, AlterYears usually carries our books. The Samuel French bookstore (it was a small chain last time I checked) has bought directly from us from time to time. The Fashion Institute of Design & Merchandising in LA has bought directly from us, as have the San Diego Historical Society and the San Diego Art Museum shop. Try calling with anyone local who carries a lot of theatrical or fashion books. As I said, we don't actually know who 99% of our customers are, let alone who has what in stock when, because Ingram doesn't release that data to us. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/2/2006 7:04:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > I've seen this discussion before. > > > > ************** > Hmmmmm.... > > > Anyway, I'd like to check out the books. Where can I get them? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 22:05:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53257Lq022696 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:05:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53253IJ008896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:05:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5323LkF067797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5323Jn8063660; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5323GX2063615 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m236.in-tch.com [216.166.191.236]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k531rIK02435 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:53:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003c01c686b2$f1dc86e0$ecbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c68136$b794d7c0$0300a8c0@bob3pc><007c01c681b1$110c96b0$154d4e40@Stuckis><009c01c68336$11bb5480$23bfa6d8@pavilion><200605302138.23165.cathy@thyrsus.com> <021001c686a3$296e6610$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts about Crochet (was Re: [h-cost] Multipletextiletechniques...) 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Status: RO I am of the very firm opinion that it is *impossible* for one to have too many string-hobbies. I want to try naalbinding, too (am even spinning yarn for it), but suspect it won't be easy....All of the books and online stuff I've seen assume you're right handed, and I'm not. --Sue in Montana, watching the thunderstorm roll in (hey, rain is "weekend weather" around here! ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts about Crochet (was Re: [h-cost] Multipletextiletechniques...) > > I knew how to knit as a kid, but at the time was not really interested in > > keeping the skill up, and it's not really a period technique for the Dark > > Ages costumes I'm interested in doing now. (That's why I've taken up > > nalbinding).... > > Nalbinding... now that's something I have to try at some point... (as if I > didn't have enough already :-) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 22:18:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532IFil022999 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:18:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k532IBZn017432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:18:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532HRix068966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:17:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532HQXF070843; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:17:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532HMDP070807 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k532GNVu017096 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:16:23 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532GWqg174880 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:17:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060602190250.025a6b58@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:11:16 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Hancock's closing In-Reply-To: <20060602195706.39705.qmail@web30103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:18:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4480F163.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Wal mart is really the kudzu of retail. They're cheep, put they never > really have what you want or need. And they kill off all the > competition, and don't have real wool or other natural fibres I just bought some 100% cotton in a WalMart in VA on my recent vacation there. It was on a dollar table. It was nice thin stuff of just the right weight for a wardrobe of shifts and undershirts, so I bought the rest of the bolt. I had recently bought some like it in a WalMart in Northern CA, and wished I had more, so when I went into the store in VA, looking for a bathroom, I checked out the fabric section. The previous time I'd been in my local Northern AC WalMart I found the wood buttons I needed for another project, after buying all the dollar shift/undershirt cotton they had (and showing the cloth section ladies how I knew it was cotton). I agree with your kudzu analogy, but I often find things I need in WalMarts. I used to work for New York Fabrics, which got swallowed up by JoAnne's, so I don't go into JoAnne's unless it is to take advantage of a loss leader. I'm very careful not to buy anything else while there. There are a few Hancock's stores still in my area, plus all the discount places in San Francisco's small garment district. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 22:23:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532Nhrk023152 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:23:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k532NdZo030292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:23:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532MuhP069443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532MraC073802; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm01.prodigy.net (ylpvm01-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532Mgqs073720 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm01.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out spool5000 dk/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k532McTV009321 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:22:38 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k532MWRg174706 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:22:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060602191908.025a6a30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:23:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: A Few Thoughts about Crochet (was Re: [h-cost] Multipletextiletechniques...) 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Status: RO >I want to try naalbinding, too (am even spinning yarn for it), but suspect >it won't be easy....All of the books and online stuff I've seen assume >you're right handed, and I'm not. So read the directions, then look at the illustrations in a mirror. When I teach crochet or embroidery or knitting to a right-hander (I do these right-handed), I sit next to them so they can see things in the same direction as they're doing. When I teach to a left-hander, I sit across from them, so they can see things in the same direction as they're doing. It works. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 2 23:35:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k533ZsgY025045 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:35:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k533ZoZw018978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:35:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k533ZGg0075905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k533Z93d011885; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:35:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail5.tpgi.com.au (mail5.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.101]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k531CNrc035802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-214-166-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.214.166]) by mail5.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k531CKgd013046 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:21 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c686aa$c4612160$a6d6f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <2e3.7a177bf.31b1ce73@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850s ballgown a lace berthe or fichu Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:12:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:35:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44810396.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850s ballgown a lace berthe or fichu > The fichu isn't very ball gown to me. A bertha would be more formal I > think. > Actually I have only seen fichus used with ballgowns in the 1850s (I know they were used to fill in necklines in earlier decades but what Godeys is calling a fichu in 1859 sits off the shoulder and therefore wouldn't fill in a neckline). http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/f/fo/for/form/forme/formetoknow/albums/album01/1859_evening_wear.jpg this is from the same year as the pattern I mentioned and it looks like it's the same shape with different decoration http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/f/fo/for/form/forme/formetoknow/albums/album01/1855_Evening_Dresses_Petit_Courier_Des_Dames2.jpg this one shows a fichu that matches the gown, so it's probably doesn't count as it wouldn't work well with other gowns http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/f/fo/for/form/forme/formetoknow/albums/album01/1855_Evening_dress_Dame_Tidende92.jpg and this one shows 2 fichus which are a rather different shape to the pattern in Godeys. > I made an entire Ball gown out of Cafe curtain fabric I bought by the > pound > at a mill outlet. The stuff was only like 18" or 20" wide and I cut the > hem > off...which made it look very curtain-like...instead cutting around the > lace > pattern just above the straight hem...which made it scalloped. Yes it was > 100% > polyester but it looked great! So I'd say hit the curtain department of > your > local mill outlet and see what's lacy. You could even get enough to sew > some > tiers on the skirt maybe. But before I can buy anything I need to know what I'm looking for so I've got to find a way to identify what sort of patterns would be used in mid 19th century lace. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 01:17:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k535HR6F026892 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:17:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k535HMq1022101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5325QNw067994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5325QFJ064737; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5325LQR064674 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1FmLVv1NHp-0005Cy; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:05:20 -0400 Message-ID: <007201c686b2$23fe5910$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:05:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thank you so much! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:17:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44811B62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k535HR6F026892 Status: RO Many, many thanks to all of you who answered my question about identifying the 19th Century bodice. I am so sorry for not replying sooner. Cramming a semester in three weeks has been a massive undertaking. Tonight is my first time to get a little spare time. M-F mornings I am teaching the class (9-12:00). The afternoons, I am in the fashion collection and dressing and undressing dressforms. We cover a decade a day in class, so each day the dressforms wear that decades fashions. Then I rush home and write the lesson for the next class until 1 am. It is hectic, but so much fun! I am 2/3 of the way through teaching the course. I think this is the first class to utilize the entire fashion collection. There are so many items that are misdated, have no documentation at all, no accession records, and items in the wrong boxes. I am photographing all the items that I unbox. The 20th Century hat collection is massive. The digital photos will be used to print copies to put on the front or top of the storage boxes, so you will not have to go through several boxes to find one item. They can also be used in an accession book or catalog and hopefully get rid of those accession index cards. Maybe one day they will be in a database. I hope to put these unidentified items' photos online so that people who specialize in the time periods can assist with the garment dating process. The students are love seeing all the item in collection. It is easier for them to remember if they see the real garment and not what is just in books. This class was generally taught as lecture and slides. I talked with some former students of this class before developing my approach. I teach it in an interactive approach with the students. I don't want them to spent their whole class time taking notes. I put all of the notes online, and they fill in with what they want. We have used a lot of publications and photographs from my personal collection. Yesterday, we covered feathered handfans form the 1920s. I brought in some of my present day cheap fans, and taught them how to pop a fan. They had a blast! One student couldn't get the hang of it! I teased her and told her that I would give her an F if she couldn't pop the fan by the end of class. All the other students began teaching her how to pop the fan. She didn't receive an F. Monday, we are covering the 1950s. I am bringing in our local high school theater depts. netted petticoats. All the students get to try them on and see what it was like to wear one. They will have to wear them the entire classtime. Maybe then they will understand what a bouffant skirt is. My class is about 50% fashion design students and the other half merchandising. I teach the design and business history of the fashion industry. I hope this gives them a good knowledge of what each half of the industry does, and build a good respect for one another's area of specialty. Another assignment was for the students to go to the local thrift or vintage clothing stores and pick out 1980-1995 clothing to add to the collection. Since half the class want to be fashion buyers, they had to bargain the price with the manager. The students had to photograph and provide details of each item they want to go into the collection. All the bids/proposals are being presented to the dept. chair and will be considered for purchase. I was pretty surprised with their results. Only one item was not from this time period... it was late 1970s. FYI, all my students were born between 1985-1987. LOL! They had to research old magazines to know what the fashions were. I showed them a clip of a Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant movie and they didn't know who they were! The earliest movie star that they knew was Audrey Hepburn and not all of them knew who she was! Now, they know who William Powell is! They think he is so good looking. This one will make you feel really old... I showed the saddle oxfords aka saddlocks. I told them that I wore them to school when I was a kid and that all the kids wore them. The students wanted to know if we had to wear uniforms to school. LOL! I said, "No, they were just fashionable. Another thing is that they are amazed with the escapades of my 61 y.o. sister. That she wears mini-skirts and such. They said, "But she's a grandma!" I told them, "So am I!" We aren't dead yet! I better go and grade tests. I love seeing how much they retained about the history of U.S. textile mills from this week's classes. Many thanks again! Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com Penny Ladnier, Owner www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 01:44:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k535iElO027422 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:44:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k535hPv7018751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:44:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k535gKBf085817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k535gHKB072600; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ares.directcon.net (ares.directcon.net [207.215.93.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k535gBr8072551 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (66-81-42-210.nocal.dialup.o1.com [66.81.42.210]) by ares.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id k535gBS08522 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002b01c686cc$4a3e8720$d22a5142@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20060602190250.025a6b58@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:Hancock's closing Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:12:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:44:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4481217D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree with the folks who are ambilvalent about Walmart. We had a fabric store here in town until Walmart opened; a year later the fabric store was gone. I must say, though, that fabric store didn't seem to be paying much attention to what its customers wanted, it seemed like the owner just bought to her taste, and the attendants were weirdly snobby. Walmart, on the other hand, has a weirdly wonderful array of stuff, especially on the bargain table, like pillowcase material that says MEDIUM MEDIUM MEDIUM, tempting me to whomp up a psychic's costume, or the bolt of perfect for 1850's jewel toned plaid taffeta I snagged the other day for $1 a yard. But when I need one yard of half inch wide black grosgrain ribbon, and they're out of it, I have to drive 35 miles to get it. This with gas at $3.25 a gallon, ouch! Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 04:22:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k538MgCW000518 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:22:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k538MbbU020772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k538MCHH098252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k538M64h061780; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k538M1Eu061682 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 02:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 87038 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2006 08:21:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=m1U0MkfwvZ3oPwwxlgLC/C0b4dXVjLdq3sIxxDdRW1mENXz2Gp3vtnCsi6/U9zRsDFhPdEl+YunUIEawGAIZ0J3Av4AeKmKMzcU8hpralFR5rGsheLyzqQzW1Tzs7JYfRflp0uPJ2EL7ek+4cvIMMElm91PoPE5R/VoHXGZz/9A= ; Message-ID: <20060603082155.87036.qmail@web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.146] by web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:21:55 BST Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:21:55 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003e01c686a5$55d24fd0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:22:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448146CD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hearing all your sad tales of your local fabric stores closing has made me realise that we in the little Island of Jersey must be extremely fortunate in having "Hamon's" of King St., Saint Helier, to patronise. This fabric Store - situated in a late-18th Century building on our Town's main shopping street, - is still operated by the Hamon Family [Armory - Azure, a Lion rampant, reguardent, Or, - first recorded in 1331 Gregorian] - and all the staff have been there for decades, and are all either in their 60's or older - [one or two much older], - with the benefits of decades of fabric-shop experience. Compared with younger shop staff locally, I cannot praise our Hamon's staff highly enough. The range of goods is huge - and the shop is stacked high with bolts of cloth [and the ceilings are very high]. If Mr. Hamon hasn't got what you require, then he'll "move heaven and earth" to obtain it for you! "Obliging" doesn't even come close! Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "old" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 05:09:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5399gxF011811 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:09:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5399cvm025322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:09:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5398qJQ003162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 03:08:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5398oXO086925; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 03:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5398lMn086886 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 03:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k5398tEq009884 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:08:55 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5398jvl171698 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:08:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060603015841.025e8f28@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:09:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing In-Reply-To: <20060603082155.87036.qmail@web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <003e01c686a5$55d24fd0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 05:09:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448151D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Hearing all your sad tales of your local fabric stores closing Interesting that you should say U.S.-based fabric stores in your subject line. About half of the fabric stores I patronize these days, while they are located in the US, are run by recent immigrants to the U.S. who still have fabric connections back in their countries of origin. Some are from India, and I can get sarees or other India fabrics (like cotton) from these people. Some are from places like Viet Nam, and I can get some really interesting oriental fabrics (like silk) from those people. So yes, these shops are U.S. based, but they mostly cater to a foreign-born clientele that still sews a lot, and they seem to be in no danger of closing. I love living in the U.S. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 06:13:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53ADbY3022964 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:13:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53AD3f6030683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:13:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53A6rtD008183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53A6oNc016518; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:06:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53A6kRm016412 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 04:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3be.36c626a (32914) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <3be.36c626a.31b2b92a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:06:34 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 458 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 06:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448160AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's making me very thankful all of a sudden for having leeds market, too. There are a couple of fantastic stalls there, who if they don't have it will move mountains to get it for me (even wools in high summer and linens in the dead of winter). Heard tell of the fabric shop in Jersey when we were down there for an event a few years back, but never got a chance to go. Debbie In a message dated 6/3/06 9:23:30 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:21:55 +0100 (BST) > From: julian wilson > Subject: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20060603082155.87036.qmail@web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hearing all your sad tales of your local fabric stores closing has made me > realise that we in the little Island of Jersey must be extremely fortunate in > having "Hamon's" of King St., Saint Helier, to patronise. > This fabric Store - situated in a late-18th Century building on our Town's > main shopping street, - is still operated by the Hamon Family [Armory - > Azure, a Lion rampant, reguardent, Or, - first recorded in 1331 Gregorian] - and > all the staff have been there for decades, and are all either in their 60's > or older - [one or two much older], - with the benefits of decades of > fabric-shop experience. Compared with younger shop staff locally, I cannot praise > our Hamon's staff highly enough. > The range of goods is huge - and the shop is stacked high with bolts of > cloth [and the ceilings are very high]. If Mr. Hamon hasn't got what you > require, then he'll "move heaven and earth" to obtain it for you! "Obliging" doesn't > even come close! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 07:30:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53BUMTS004349 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:30:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53BUINm029766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:30:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53BTFgw015718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53BT9kK063966; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53BSueg063873 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:29:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5522.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.34]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 856EC8A0007 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:28:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c68700$ecdacd70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:29:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sloper form X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 07:30:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448172CA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, My friends at Live Journal, gave me the idea to make myself a sloper form. I had recently ordered a mans dress form, but when it arrived, i found out it was much, much two big for me, it was a superman. So some of my friends suggested me to make myself a sloper model, pad the armholes, and neck, and stuff it with teddybear stuffing. I did yesterday, and i had to buy 6 large bags of stuffing, to fill out my sloper. The stand from the Superman i used for my own sloper model, and now i have my own uniquely you. Boy i am so happy that i made it, i have tryed on my suits on it, and i actually found out many things i could have done better with the cut. Now i am going to make myself a lot of nice outfits. Also for period corsets, the sloper model is a brilliant idea, because its squishable. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 08:53:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53CrDVn006172 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:53:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53Cr8lH029740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:53:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53CqdA7038747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53CqZCP014081; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:52:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53CqVPn013966 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3be.36ff176 (39952) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3be.36ff176.31b2e005@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:52:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:53:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44818634.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/2/2006 2:32:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net writes: When I want to do some serious shopping I go visit my folks in Washington, DC and go to G Street. Boy do I miss living near Los Angeles and the garment district!!! And even G Street isn't what it used to be. Let's face it, fewer and fewer people are sewing. G Street has cut way back on their assortment in the last few years, and of course ended their on-line service a while ago. Don't get me wrong--I'm glad to have them handy, but they aren't like the "old days"--even 10 years ago. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 09:22:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DMiKX006743 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:22:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53DMe0c025960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DM3uH046798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DM2ua031819; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k53DLxQX031739 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31021 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2006 13:21:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AnrZotRCIDqn+1out3+zj1TQq8u3Gym7oqX/LsCaegFTxPp4POxdskEIpIlseXP/yyR5OWFpdXTF2uEsxZqAcO6DJ6SyD6WRDNK+12+/N+jhnwKzKGQWsAgcvsvzzWR74uzJblhGoxpGJ+9bD04WVj/IueJzUU8O4nAR78MPlJs= ; Message-ID: <20060603132154.31019.qmail@web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 06:21:54 PDT Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: another Hancock's closing/US farbric stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:22:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44818D20.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have never been to a Hancock's and didn't even know there were any in Washington state. I'll be travelling to Bremerton this week though, so will make a point of checking it out. The Joanne's here (Bellingham, WA) has become largely a craft and quilting store. The quilting fabric consists of a good 1/4 of all the fabric in stock floor space wise, with home decorating fabrics taking the majority. Apparel fabric is pretty specific with a whole wall of fleece, bridal and formal satins and such, and baby prints - the rest is mostly a small selection of seasonal changes with a high percent of synthetic fabrics that end up getting rotated into the clearance racks. They do have a huge yarn department though. Before Joanne's went through the whole reorganization thing we had a couple of good fabric stores, one of which was exclusively fabrics, notions, etc. I can't remember the name, but one of them was House of Fabrics. Joanne's used to have a much better selection for apparel fabric too. Outside of Joanne's the only fabric stores locally are all quilting shops. I have gotten the majority of my fabric on line recently, which I don't like doing because I prefer to see fabric in person before buying, but I've been lucky so far as to really liking what I have bought. Annette M Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 18:55:37 -0700 From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: [h-cost] Re: Stash Enhancement Possibilities >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:15:36 -0700 >From: Stephen >Subject: [h-cost] Stash Enhancement Possibilities > >Good news, bad news, and more bad news. > >The good news is that Hancock Fabrics at 7900 Florin Road in Sacramento >CA has everything marked off at least 30%. The bad news is that the sale >is because they are closing up the store. > >So this is a good chance to stock up on notions and staples as well as >getting some nice fabric and yarn at a good price. > >The more bad news is that the reason the store is closing is because the >area is not that safe. They have an armed guard in the store. So I would >not plan on going after dark. > >Don't know how long this sale is going to last, but the first ones there >get the best bones! > >Stephen Bergdahl That's very interesting, and somewhat disconcerting. The Hancock Fabrics in Bremerton, Washington (on Wheaton Way) is also closing, and also has everything currently at 30% off. No real excuse why the store is closing, but it just "isn't doing well". It's in a poor area. Not outright unsafe, but sort of grungy-commercial. Lots of discount type stores nearby. I sure hope this doesn't indicate something worse in store for the future of Hancocks. 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Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 09:31:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DVosn006905 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:31:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53DVkc9009470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:31:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DUt2D047745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DUsUq037188; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DUokt037120 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:30:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m214.in-tch.com [216.166.191.214]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k53DKmK22263 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:20:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000601c68712$fcb32dc0$d6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003e01c686a5$55d24fd0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <4.3.1.2.20060603015841.025e8f28@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:38:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:31:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44818F42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, that's you, Kayta, and IIRC, you live in a rather populated, urban area. Me, on the other hand? I'd have to travel out of state to get to the nearest Hancock's (there are actually two in Montana, but it's a *large* area, and they're both several hours away on the other side of the state). We have a JoAnn's. Period. Except for some very rare finds at JoAnn's, I'm getting all of my fabric online. We have small groups of immigrants here, but not enough to impact the clothing/fabric merchandizing. We had an interesting store called "Latitudes" that sold a combination of natural fibers and high-tech stuff for outdoor wear, but it closed the better part of a decade ago (owner's illness). --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing > > >Hearing all your sad tales of your local fabric stores closing > > Interesting that you should say U.S.-based fabric stores in your subject > line. About half of the fabric stores I patronize these days, while they > are located in the US, are run by recent immigrants to the U.S. who still > have fabric connections back in their countries of origin. Some are from > India, and I can get sarees or other India fabrics (like cotton) from these > people. Some are from places like Viet Nam, and I can get some really > interesting oriental fabrics (like silk) from those people. So yes, these > shops are U.S. based, but they mostly cater to a foreign-born clientele > that still sews a lot, and they seem to be in no danger of closing. I love > living in the U.S. > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 09:33:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DXMR2006933 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:33:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53DXIQ8029715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DWVRh047942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DWVBm038072; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53DWO4D037988 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m214.in-tch.com [216.166.191.214]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k53DMLK22561 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:22:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000b01c68713$340f8ac0$d6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060603082155.87036.qmail@web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:39:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:33:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44818F9E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah, Julian! It sounds like your island should become a destination spot for a shopping vacation! The store sounds *wonderful!* ;o) --Sue, a long ways away from any Jersey, old or new ----- Original Message ----- From: "julian wilson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 2:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing > Hearing all your sad tales of your local fabric stores closing has made me realise that we in the little Island of Jersey must be extremely fortunate in having "Hamon's" of King St., Saint Helier, to patronise. > This fabric Store - situated in a late-18th Century building on our Town's main shopping street, - is still operated by the Hamon Family [Armory - Azure, a Lion rampant, reguardent, Or, - first recorded in 1331 Gregorian] - and all the staff have been there for decades, and are all either in their 60's or older - [one or two much older], - with the benefits of decades of fabric-shop experience. Compared with younger shop staff locally, I cannot praise our Hamon's staff highly enough. > The range of goods is huge - and the shop is stacked high with bolts of cloth [and the ceilings are very high]. If Mr. Hamon hasn't got what you require, then he'll "move heaven and earth" to obtain it for you! "Obliging" doesn't even come close! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 10:35:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EZZS6008079 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:35:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53EZVtF017615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:35:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EYlNk055224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EYifR079043; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25913.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25913.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k53EYeYq078938 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 8095 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2006 14:34:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hbl2mrWysGpOIT9Ps+lMPwT8hTgu6x0yhl/ehjiUWfGSJrz/XxAI5lJLraUBWMq+h3vBZ/kHlat5RqAO90TerjCoERBdv3Uh0Amce+3jMxHT9pxN18OmgFaiYEhNwMSLfR/q4jQiyMHIbGz6+Ezcr4xl5PaUESEcjD6FMHLwaG8= ; Message-ID: <20060603143434.8093.qmail@web25913.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.146] by web25913.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:34 BST Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:34:34 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson Subject: Re: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000b01c68713$340f8ac0$d6bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:35:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44819E33.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sue Clemenger wrote: Ah, Julian! It sounds like your island should become a destination spot for a shopping vacation! The store sounds *wonderful!* ;o) --Sue, a long ways away from any Jersey, old or new COMMENT Dear Sue, if our "omniscient" politicians [short-sghted SoB's!] hadn't been so stupid as to allow one ferry Operator to have a monoploy of the Sea Route to the UK - leading to monopoly-level prices, we would probably have a much larger number of "shopping daytrippers" than we do. We have the most expensive sea-ferry fares in the whole of Europe! I can travel & return between Dover & Calais cross-Channel, ten times; - for the cost of one trip Jersey-UK-Jersey. Asa result, most of the "blue-collar" population have become "economic prisoners" here. God be with you wherever you are! Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "old" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 10:56:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EuWLP008681 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:56:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53Etne4016298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:56:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EtMDR057962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EtJhs092700; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53EtF73092588 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FmXWt-0000Rk-00 for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:55:08 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <24c.bb6d146.31b1ac3d@aol.com> References: <24c.bb6d146.31b1ac3d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ced5d8e02e1118af0bcbaa940a5f446@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:56:59 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:56:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4481A2F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 03/06/2006, at 12:59 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > ..... And lots of clothes were still made by hand, and the patterns > reflect this, up until the late 1860s [they all were until the > 1840s...and then it was considered sorta low life to have machine > made clothes, especially women's, until the 1870s]..... Um, sorry, but you may want to re-think the bracketed part of this statement. It was, as far as I can verify, only un-tailored, ready-made (as in, "Take your chances with good fit") clothes that were in any way looked down upon -- and that was *not* by the people who never could afford tailor-made before sewing-machines came along. For them, machine-made was cheaper and better-quality than home-made, and thereby a direct improvement in their quality-of-life! All sorts of written opinion from the time can be quoted that enthuses mightily over the superiority of machine-made over hand-worked clothing (and everything else). I won't quote any of it here, unless I'm asked (and my reply wouldn't come back up for a week or two -- I'm working on a different set of tracks this week!) --- but please consider that the whole Industrial Revolution could not have happened if the prevailing societal standard had declared machine-made as inferior. Consider also that, even now, in a time when the craftsmanship of things hand-made is frequently (if not usually) regarded as superior to machine-made and mass-produced "ticky-tacky," machine sewing is *still* considered to be superior to most hand-sewing: the seam-lines are much more easily kept straight when they should be, or more accurately made to follow a curve; the stitches lock more tightly, and, when a stitch breaks, the ravelling doesn't extend as far and as fast under continued stress as hand-stitched; and the time it takes to assemble a garment is vastly shorter when done on the machine. If this opinion were not the prevailing one, there would be a market for hand-sewn apparel and home-wares, at least among the most moneyed "discerning" folk -- and there isn't. Personally-tailored apparel has a body of people who will pay for the work. Hand-sewn goods do not. Now, after all that, do I dare confess how much I enjoy sewing things by hand? --- Even to the point of sewing quite a bit of my mundane clothes by hand, purely for the fun of it. Very soothing! Really easy to slip into a blissful Zen state! Beth S. --- in cold and frosty Kambah, in Canberra, the big-city small town capital of Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 11:29:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FT3ZG009683 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:29:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53FSxh8007973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FS84M061789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FS5TR014220; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FS194014092 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.457.2a1f5cb (63000) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <457.2a1f5cb.31b30477@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:29:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4481AABB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/3/2006 10:55:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, schoenb@grapevine.net.au writes: Um, sorry, but you may want to re-think the bracketed part of this statement. Yes, you are correct. My statement is a bit vague concerning a more complicated trend. But it only really applies to a short period of time. And I should have said ready made instead of machine made. But considering the early sewing machines seem, to us, a real pain [hand cranked] and expensive... plus attitudes of the wealthy [my snobby rich Grandmother had silk blouses hand made up until the 1960s!] things really don't start cranking up until improvements went up and costs went down. Lots of 1860s gowns are machined together, with a lot of trimming done by hand....a sorta missing link phase. But by the time we get to bustle, you really see the machine at work all over the place. My main point was that the machine, once completely accepted, which took a little time, changed the way clothes were cut. And even that doesn't really hit it fair and square. There is also the time it took to discover what a clever seamstress could actually do with a machine....the development of machine techniques. All these things are happening at once. One thing I find utterly fascinating is the logic of pre-machine clothes and how it differs from post-machine clothes. We as costumers are often trying to find ways to make things look like they're done by hand...with a machine! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 11:42:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FgpXv009943 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:42:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53Fglbf011671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:42:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FgC8q064074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53FgANg026075; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-f25.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Fg4qS025933 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 08:41:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.162.200 by by108fd.bay108.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:41:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [70.56.144.212] X-Originating-Email: [elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200606030822.k538M76N061787@net.indra.com> From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:41:47 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2006 15:41:50.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B0C6BC0:01C68724] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Previewing Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:42:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4481ADF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Another option to preview books (any large-market books of fairly recent publication, say--the last 60 years or so--and often times obscure tiny press books) is to request them via Inter-Library Loan at your local branch. If your library is hooked in to the LILI Unlimited system, you can even request the search be limited to libraries who will not charge you a fee to lend the book. The book arrives at your local branch for pickup, and most of the time, you'll have a full three weeks to study it, and decide if it's a one-time-read-for-reference, or one that needs to be added to your own collection. Make cookies for your reference librarian. :) Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 12:02:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53G2AWx010381 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:02:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53G26Kr000965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:02:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53G1S9r067116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53G1RsE040899; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53G1Np0040847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.146] (209-148-123-146.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k53G1JHC015670 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:01:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4481B250.5040600@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:01:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? References: <457.2a1f5cb.31b30477@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <457.2a1f5cb.31b30477@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:02:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4481B27E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO But by the > time we get to bustle, you really see the machine at work all over the place. > > My main point was that the machine, once completely accepted, which took a > little time, changed the way clothes were cut. A My theory is this: Every time a machine was developed to make things easier, people expended the same amount of time and effort, just with a different emphasis. When industrial sewing and weaving became common, so women didn't have to spend all that time spinning, they started doing more fancy needlework and home dressmaking. After the sewing machine became popular, they started to develop more complicated cuts. After sewing machine attachments became available--I don't know exactly when this happened, BTW, but I suspect the very first models did not have them--they started adding a lot of machined ruffling and so on. Then when factory-made clothing finally came to dominate the market in the 1920s or so, with the factory owners being concerned about saving money by taking fewer steps and using less material, the trend started going the other way. That is, the trend in what most people wear, especially now that most middle-class women work outside the home. If they didn't, more would probably be making things that looked "different," that is, not factory made. As it is, most people express this urge by buying "designer" clothes, if they can afford them. For the ones who do sew, the urge to expand into other areas is still there. Once a lot of people got computerized sewing machines, then they started wanting computerized embroidery machines and separate sergers. I am aware, BTW, that some men design clothing, sew, and do needlecraft; but these are still considered by the general culture as "women's work." (My father is trying to learn to knit, BTW. He says it's driving him nuts, but he's doing it.) Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 12:18:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GIeRf010756 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:18:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53GIaaA015256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:18:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GHKNJ068986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GHJN0051114; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GHERV051063 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:17:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k53GHBJ9025129 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009601c68729$297a5610$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060602202006.49533.qmail@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:17:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:18:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4481B65C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actually, Poland is just south of Youngstown in the Boardman area. It takes me the better part of an hour to get there, and I live just east of Canton. It also takes about the same amount of time to get there from Akron. The last time I was there I was able to get some nice pieces of suit weight wool in a warm brown and pieces in a lovely blue red. I'm hoping to stop this year on the way home from Pennsic. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics > Well, they must have heard you because they list a > store in Poland, which is in the Akron/Canton area. > Then there is one in Columbus area and the others are > split between Dayton and Cincinnati. > > I don't think they have much to worry about from > JoAnn's. From what I can see they are turning into a > craft/decorating store. My local store has less and > less fine fashion fabric while the craft and quilting > sections grows. Last winter they didn't have any wool > at all. > > And can someone explain why a fabric store needs a > candy section near the register? > > --- Ailith Mackintosh wrote: > >> There used to be loads more Hancock stores in Ohio. >> A several years ago, on >> the way home from Pennsic, I stopped at the store in >> Boardman. The manager >> told me that all of the stores in a 200 mile radius >> had been closed. So far >> as I can see, there are no more Hancocks in the >> Cleveland area. >> >> I once wrote to them 4 or 5 years ago and asked if >> they'd consider putting a >> store in the Akron/Canton area and was told that >> there wasn't a customer >> base. >> >> I think that they're afraid of Jo-Anns (corporate >> office in Hudson, just 15 >> minutes north of Akron). >> >> kate >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 12:58:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Gw3QM011924 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:58:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53GvwBW030218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Guuup073913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GurNq077333; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GunZZ077278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:56:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.123.146] (209-148-123-146.arc16.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.123.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k53Gul1t026068 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:56:48 -0700 Message-ID: <4481BF50.90005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:56:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Prescreening books and publishing info X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:58:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4481BF97.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, our books are available at many libraries. Although we don't know what most of those are either, since almost all our sales go through one of our library wholesalers--Baker & Taylor (the 800-pound-gorilla of library wholesalers), Quality Books, or one of a dozen or so special-order jobbers. As for "obscure small press books" being available through libraries: Only if it's a commercial book to begin with. In most cases you can forget about libraries carrying photocopied pamphlets and such. The book business relies heavily on middlemen. Only a very small portion of sales are direct from publishers to consumers, with many publishers not selling that way at all. What this means is that the wholesalers and distributors act as "industry gatekeepers." They don't want to bother carrying a book that is not commercially viable (that is, one that will not make them a certain amount of money). They require certain standards to be met, in terms of production and editorial quality. In some cases they require a certain level of sales figures in addition. They are influenced by reviews in certain book industry publications and by an interest expressed by large chains. We "got into" Ingram (which is not especially fond of small presses) with our first book thanks to the interest of the head Barnes & Noble buyer, who bugged Ingram till they gave us a contract. (And we've stayed in for over 12 years because we meet Ingram's annual sales requirements; if you don't they dump you.) A publisher can forget about getting any reputable wholesaler to commercially distribute a photocopied or home-bound book, a book with any significant number of typos or obvious errors, or one on a topic hardly anyone is interested in reading about. In short, any unprofessional editing or production by industry standards. There are actually a lot more wrinkles to this. They don't like covers that are not four-color, but will occasionally accept them. They don't like books that are not printed by offset lithography, but will occasionally accept professional quality POD. (Which is not literally print on demand but a short print run, usually under 500 copies, printed by a special type of machine based on laser printing technology.) They don’t care much for e-books. They are not fond of certain types of bindings. They require ISBN bar codes done in a specific way and placed in a limited number of specific positions on the cover. And on and on. In short, there are a lot of standards you have to meet to be accepted by these businesses. But once you meet them, you get the commercial distribution that enables you to sell thousands of books. If you don't, you're limited to selling a handful of books from venues like websites. Very few publishers succeed as businesses by doing most of their sales direct to consumers. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 13:00:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53H0U30011988 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:00:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53H0PwK002037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:00:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GxoOM074539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GxnQh079304; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GxkQe079228 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k53Gxek08839 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:59:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: <009601c68729$297a5610$2f02a8c0@Duncan> References: <20060602202006.49533.qmail@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <009601c68729$297a5610$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8081DB80-C731-477A-AD2C-6F9387889153@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:59:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:00:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4481C029.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We have a similar situation here. Jo-Anne's is almost strictly polyester-quiltiing-fleece-crafty products. I went in to look for some wool to make a tunic and couldn't find anything except some sleezy poly wool blends. I asked where to find wool in town and was sent to a local fabric shop. The independent place was Nirvana. It was chock full of wools and silks and all manner of beautiful fabrics. Of course, they are extremely expensive, but quite honestly, I was delighted to pay the price. While I won't shop there often, but I want to support this little piece of heaven. The owner was knowlegable and helpful. Although I declare her "Ev-il" when she pointed out the incredible silk fabric that matched perfectly the wool I picked out for the tunic and would make a lovely veil. I bought two yards of it. :D Other than this place, I make a yearly pilgrimage to Portland, OR to visit Fabric Depot and Mill End Fabrics. Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 13:04:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53H4YVC012074 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:04:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53H4Ulj003236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:04:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53H3snF075184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53H3qth082063; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:03:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53H3cad081912 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FmZXB-0004zt-00 for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:03:33 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000501c68700$ecdacd70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c68700$ecdacd70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] sloper form Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:05:35 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:04:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4481C11E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Bjarne, You always amaze me!! Making one of these is such a big project, yet you mention it so matter-of-factly, as if it was a good idea, but a bit of an after-thought!! What did you use for the outer surface of the dress form? Unbleached cotton (muslin or calico)? Linen? Something heavier? Not fabric at all? A group of friends and I have been talking about making "duct-tape doubles," using duct tape, or wide house-painter's masking tape, or possibly fabric medical tape (expensive!) --- over plastic garbage bags or thin dry-cleaner's bags. We've been debating using foam-rubber for the stuffing, or teddy-bear stuffing, or spray-in building-insulation foam (this last is not squishable, but it is "carve-able"). The expected problem with using fabric fitted to shape is that the fabric "body" will be distorted out of the correct shape, as it is forcibly stuffed, for the person it's supposed to fit. How did you achieve your fit? One thing we have discovered is that an old microphone stand is *very* heavy, and might be an ideal base for a dress form, especially for our large and heavy historic dresses. I'm also curious: did you put whole or partial legs on your form? Beth S --- in clear and frosty Kambah, in Canberra, the big-city-small-town capital of Australia On 03/06/2006, at 9:29 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > My friends at Live Journal, gave me the idea to make myself a sloper > form. > I had recently ordered a mans dress form, but when it arrived, i found > out it was much, much two big for me, it was a superman. > So some of my friends suggested me to make myself a sloper model, pad > the armholes, and neck, and stuff it with teddybear stuffing. > I did yesterday, and i had to buy 6 large bags of stuffing, to fill > out my sloper. > The stand from the Superman i used for my own sloper model, and now i > have my own uniquely you. > Boy i am so happy that i made it, i have tryed on my suits on it, and > i actually found out many things i could have done better with the > cut. > Now i am going to make myself a lot of nice outfits. > Also for period corsets, the sloper model is a brilliant idea, because > its squishable. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 13:51:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53HpwFq012947 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:51:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53HprtF008556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Hp4T1081072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Hp1KY014166; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:51:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53HosHm014037 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 11:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FmaGu-0007kV-00 for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:50:48 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4481B250.5040600@lavoltapress.com> References: <457.2a1f5cb.31b30477@aol.com> <4481B250.5040600@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <71ca4ce5986b1c744bef60d8c473fa89@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] Victorian help? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:52:35 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4481CC39.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 04/06/2006, at1:27 AM, AlbertCat wrote: My main point was that the machine, once completely accepted, which took a little time, changed the way clothes were cut. And even that doesn't really hit it fair and square. There is also the time it took to discover what a clever seamstress could actually do with a machine....the development of machine techniques. All these things are happening at once. One thing I find utterly fascinating is the logic of pre-machine clothes and how it differs from post-machine clothes. **************************** On 04/06/2006, at 2:01 AM, Lavolta Press wrote: > But by the >> time we get to bustle, you really see the machine at work all over >> the place. > >> My main point was that the machine, once completely accepted, which >> took a little time, changed the way clothes were cut. A > > My theory is this: Every time a machine was developed to make things > easier, people expended the same amount of time and effort, just with > a different emphasis. When industrial sewing and weaving became > common, so women didn't have to spend all that time spinning, they > started doing more fancy needlework and home dressmaking. After the > sewing machine became popular, they started to develop more > complicated cuts. After sewing machine attachments became > available--I don't know exactly when this happened, BTW, but I suspect > the very first models did not have them--they started adding a lot of > machined ruffling and so on. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > ***************************** Yes, my personal textile specialty is lace-making, and the history of lace is full of examples of how precious and exquisitely-used lace was in the centuries when it could only be made by hand. Only the very wealthiest people could afford to buy it -- sumptuary laws were just about unnecessary for lace, except where nationalism played into things. The use of lace just exploded for *all* classes of society once machines could produce even a passable product --- and the machines that were able to produce *superb* laces were, themselves, only made for a very short time, as these things go, and as was pointed out above. Newer-model machines were gradually "dumbed down" to produce ever simpler, cheaper, flimsier, and poorly- or repetitively-designed laces. (I can't tell you how thoroughly sick I am of the endless copies of Alencon roses out there on the market!) The older machines, used until very recently in many cases, have worn out, and been cannibalized to repair old machines still working, until there were none left to cannibalize. Only a few years ago, I understand, the very last Nottingham lace machines capable of producing what was called "22-count" or "22-gauge" furnishing laces (lace curtains, mostly) broke down irretrievably. Only two or three larger-gauge 18-count machines were still working, and a French or Swiss concern bought them and shipped them to the Continent. I don't know if they've ever been re-activated for commercial use -- if anyone would do that, it would be the French or Swiss, wouldn't it? :-) Although an un-verified source has since claimed that the machines were actually sold on to Chinese factories!! Speaking of the logic of machine-made versus hand-made clothes: I'm continually impressed, the more I study pre-machine-age tailoring methods, how little waste was allowed to occur. Even many of the most elaborate Elizabethan gowns, full of tucks and pleats and ruffles, slashing and pinking and embroidery and all, are constructed of so many rectangular and near-rectangular pieces!! A standing ruff, made of silk organza or similar, edged with lace and broidered with beads, pearls, or spangles, and shaped to fit the neckline of the dress and the proportions of the wearer, still started with a rectangle of silk edged with a "straight" length of lace. The machine-age logic says cut the silk to shape and discard the rest. Elizabethan logic made a virtue of a design-feature out of the tucks used to achieve the shaping. I have to admit, I was nit-picking a little about the original posting, because I just can't justify allowing some generalizations to stand un-challenged --- but I actually do understand and agree with your *main* points! Beth S. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 15:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53JN6iN016047 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53JN18j018604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:23:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53JMeHE091624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53JMXE8075167; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k53JMTca075019 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 60422 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2006 19:22:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mI/50QelDRr6nkt2Jib8KvuXFk1DCGcFphqy08dDlJmvECrH67x1R69hMqVLutYhvUqbSreShalTMQEPbg2n9arkNiQmtmMiOOucKeVj2LaQBF2K/LwHDEM46VzlsTUF8ngqLyB5TTwDVE6k9Im7G+83QCyd+Ynq8mgbLaLeuNs= ; Message-ID: <20060603192223.60420.qmail@web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.163.100.198] by web27508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:22:23 BST Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:22:23 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Leeds Market X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:23:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4481E196.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi! Debbie I used to go to Leeds quite a lot (we're only an hour's train journey away), and used to spend most of my time in the market. The last time I bought any fabric there, I went to an Asian guy who used to mimic a telephone ringing - is he still there? My husband had to pinch me to stop me from laughing, as he did it mid-conversation! I love the haberdashery stall that is right at the front; I ended up buying a carrier bag full of stuff I didn't really need (I will never run out of hand sewing needles!), but I was like a child in a sweet shop, as I don't have that choice in my home town. All the best Jayne --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! 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Status: RO > Newer-model machines were gradually "dumbed down" to produce ever > simpler, cheaper, flimsier, and poorly- or repetitively-designed laces. Considering what laces _could_ be made commercially, and what once _were_, the ones now made are just--well, they're the reason I always use vintage laces. Most new ones, even when not synthetic, are just so boring. We've had home embroidery and home knitting machines introduced into the market. Manufacturers need something to sell to the now rather small base of home sewers and needlecrafters once these have already bought their sewing machine (and their serger, knitting machine, and embroidery machine). On the good side, these machines enable people to do a lot of interesting, creative things. So maybe the home lace-making machine is on the horizon: Is it technically feasible? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 15:38:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Jc4fX016491 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:38:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53JbwaU000336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:38:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53JbjBp094524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53JbaoQ085985; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53JbOMe085907 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:37:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247bb.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.187]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B929A5001D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:37:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c68745$2b037d60$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c68700$ecdacd70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sloper form Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:37:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4481E516.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Beth, I made the sloper of unbleached cotton. You are right that you can stuff it two hard, so that it gets two thick, but i find that this special teddy bear stuffing, is nice to form with, and i have obtained a shape very like my own. I just placed it on top of the cut away bottom of my supermand model, and it rests on it. I intend to glue it to the top of the bottom. I didnt make any legs to the model, that would be two difficult to me to make, but i do intend in near future, to add a right arm to it. Its potential to me, that i can see how the back of my jackets and waistcoats are, and that is the major factor. I have seen at the companys who sells dress forms, that you can buy seperate stands. Why dont you do this? And then use a broom stick to the stand? Let the end of the stick rest on the neck top. Perhaps stuff in a heavy cardboard here, to keep it have the shape? I really intend to make a female sloper two, to the corsets i make. I hate the breast part sitting two low, and it wont moove :-) It was years and years since i made a sloper model last, but fortunately i have a folder with recipies how to construkt these, from my designschool. It really wasnt difficult to make, it kind of is in my brain already. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Schoenberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sloper form > Hi, Bjarne, > > You always amaze me!! Making one of these is such a big project, yet you > mention it so matter-of-factly, as if it was a good idea, but a bit of an > after-thought!! > > What did you use for the outer surface of the dress form? Unbleached > cotton (muslin or calico)? Linen? Something heavier? Not fabric at all? > > A group of friends and I have been talking about making "duct-tape > doubles," using duct tape, or wide house-painter's masking tape, or > possibly fabric medical tape (expensive!) --- over plastic garbage bags or > thin dry-cleaner's bags. We've been debating using foam-rubber for the > stuffing, or teddy-bear stuffing, or spray-in building-insulation foam > (this last is not squishable, but it is "carve-able"). The expected > problem with using fabric fitted to shape is that the fabric "body" will > be distorted out of the correct shape, as it is forcibly stuffed, for the > person it's supposed to fit. How did you achieve your fit? > > One thing we have discovered is that an old microphone stand is *very* > heavy, and might be an ideal base for a dress form, especially for our > large and heavy historic dresses. > > I'm also curious: did you put whole or partial legs on your form? > > Beth S > --- in clear and frosty Kambah, in Canberra, the big-city-small-town > capital of Australia > > > > On 03/06/2006, at 9:29 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> My friends at Live Journal, gave me the idea to make myself a sloper >> form. >> I had recently ordered a mans dress form, but when it arrived, i found >> out it was much, much two big for me, it was a superman. >> So some of my friends suggested me to make myself a sloper model, pad the >> armholes, and neck, and stuff it with teddybear stuffing. >> I did yesterday, and i had to buy 6 large bags of stuffing, to fill out >> my sloper. >> The stand from the Superman i used for my own sloper model, and now i >> have my own uniquely you. >> Boy i am so happy that i made it, i have tryed on my suits on it, and i >> actually found out many things i could have done better with the cut. >> Now i am going to make myself a lot of nice outfits. >> Also for period corsets, the sloper model is a brilliant idea, because >> its squishable. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 16:21:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53KLcm0018071 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:21:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53KLYpW006966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:21:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53KLLh8000514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53KLKJ5012472; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53KLFss012377 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o60so1061912nfa for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y3JkRMtxw+Y0dZiLUPDq/NSVFURCPNXThQWfTUD7RfqzV5rCkmS+MtypMCdgASlHD15+Kdb22gCTjGZ31ooB19hbRM306rZOOnz31CJ+PIJSZ/sqozVFhfuiIO7Dcdjjp6YPttgtIj9H5vhsmGqclNuSukMI6W7Q9tJOzb070lQ= Received: by 10.48.208.18 with SMTP id f18mr3036887nfg; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.35.9 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590606031321g75bc6a81w2c0c6369d5c02889@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 15:21:13 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] sloper form In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c68700$ecdacd70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:21:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4481EF4E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > A group of friends and I have been talking about making "duct-tape > doubles," using duct tape, or wide house-painter's masking tape, or > possibly fabric medical tape (expensive!) --- over plastic garbage bags > or thin dry-cleaner's bags. We've been debating using foam-rubber for the stuffing, or teddy-bear stuffing, or spray-in building-insulation > foam (this last is not squishable, but it is "carve-able"). I did this a couple of years ago and used duct tape for the form over an old t-shirt. Then it was filled with the spray in insulation foam. The thing I would caution on the insulation foam is not to over fill the form and give it time to expand before you put too much in. I didn't and had the stuff oozing out of the form for almost six monthes or so. > One thing we have discovered is that an old microphone stand is *very* heavy, and might be an ideal base for a dress form, especially for our > large and heavy historic dresses. > For the stand I used a length two by two wood and an old christmas tree stand. That was sturdy and steady enough for my Elizabethans. If you do want a weighted base I'd also check out old floor lamps and umbrella stands. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 18:25:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53MPaW7024742 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:25:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53MOndv005762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:25:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53MNVCa013910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53MNFan083507; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53MNBX6083398 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from sharplaptop.worldnet.att.net (69-29-247-140.dyn.centurytel.net[69.29.247.140]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2006060322230511200656vne>; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:23:05 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20060603152146.0204ee28@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:22:59 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics In-Reply-To: <200606031800.k53I0kaJ020601@net.indra.com> References: <200606031800.k53I0kaJ020601@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:25:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44820C31.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:00 AM 6/3/2006, you wrote: >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:59:40 -0700 >From: Althea Turner >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <8081DB80-C731-477A-AD2C-6F9387889153@alfalfapress.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > >We have a similar situation here. Jo-Anne's is almost strictly >polyester-quiltiing-fleece-crafty products. I went in to look for >some wool to make a tunic and couldn't find anything except some >sleezy poly wool blends. I asked where to find wool in town and was >sent to a local fabric shop. The independent place was Nirvana. It >was chock full of wools and silks and all manner of beautiful >fabrics. Of course, they are extremely expensive, but quite >honestly, I was delighted to pay the price. While I won't shop there >often, but I want to support this little piece of heaven. The owner >was knowlegable and helpful. Although I declare her "Ev-il" when she >pointed out the incredible silk fabric that matched perfectly the >wool I picked out for the tunic and would make a lovely veil. I >bought two yards of it. :D > >Other than this place, I make a yearly pilgrimage to Portland, OR to >visit Fabric Depot and Mill End Fabrics. Althea - where is this wonderful store, and what is the name of it? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 19:41:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Nf1FS029523 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:41:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k53Neve7005550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:41:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Ne9uO023564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Ne6w9026267; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Ne1VJ026211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k53NdvU2025374 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:40:00 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <009601c68729$297a5610$2f02a8c0@Duncan> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:41:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44821E09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Did this post make anyone else's head hurt from the names involved (grin)? Poland? Then I got the feeling that the country wasn't what was named by Youngstown, but then Boardman (which is in Oregon as far as I'm concerned) came up. Then we had China (Canton) to balance out Poland! That's what happens when you read in the preview screen and haven't an clue what you have just opened. Regina, Laughing in delight at the names found in short distances in the US > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Ailith Mackintosh > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:17 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics > > > Actually, Poland is just south of Youngstown in the Boardman > area. It takes > me the better part of an hour to get there, and I live just east > of Canton. > It also takes about the same amount of time to get there from Akron. > > kate > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 20:23:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540N4xd030872 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:23:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k540Mxst011272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540MO5P030961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540MLqk050076; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540MGtv049991 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k540MAH00708 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:22:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20060603152146.0204ee28@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <200606031800.k53I0kaJ020601@net.indra.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20060603152146.0204ee28@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <37D9DFCD-98CD-40CB-88A1-7833AF49969F@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:22:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448227E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Corvallis, OR Linda's Sewing & Fabric Althea On Jun 3, 2006, at 3:22 PM, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net wrote: > At 11:00 AM 6/3/2006, you wrote: >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:59:40 -0700 >> From: Althea Turner >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics >> To: Historical Costume >> Message-ID: <8081DB80-C731-477A-AD2C-6F9387889153@alfalfapress.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >> We have a similar situation here. Jo-Anne's is almost strictly >> polyester-quiltiing-fleece-crafty products. I went in to look for >> some wool to make a tunic and couldn't find anything except some >> sleezy poly wool blends. I asked where to find wool in town and was >> sent to a local fabric shop. The independent place was Nirvana. It >> was chock full of wools and silks and all manner of beautiful >> fabrics. Of course, they are extremely expensive, but quite >> honestly, I was delighted to pay the price. While I won't shop there >> often, but I want to support this little piece of heaven. The owner >> was knowlegable and helpful. Although I declare her "Ev-il" when she >> pointed out the incredible silk fabric that matched perfectly the >> wool I picked out for the tunic and would make a lovely veil. I >> bought two yards of it. :D >> >> Other than this place, I make a yearly pilgrimage to Portland, OR to >> visit Fabric Depot and Mill End Fabrics. > > Althea - where is this wonderful store, and what is the name of it? > Julie > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 20:31:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540VjR8031138 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:31:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k540Uuc2028404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:31:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540UR2F031814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k540UQ1Q054743; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:30:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k540ULqS054649 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96941 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jun 2006 00:30:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pLYxSkrT7iBapNuLCJZL2r5r3YRpTCu69MnSZ2qrAFrTo7EuZ/SpQDvQkqD/PH1dM/tsf2wOUvIuy51w9FwoBrzhaBNOmtO9EtfiGC8Q9526XhG7/uQ75x53AWKWbvgUnljzbEl8MxFsT7Av9G/127g58m/DLrqN/mfxDrG3WFk= ; Message-ID: <20060604003015.96939.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.34.229.63] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 17:30:15 PDT Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <37D9DFCD-98CD-40CB-88A1-7833AF49969F@alfalfapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New portrait of Eleanora of Toledo found X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:31:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448229C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO BBC correspondent Charles Wheeler has returned a painting to a German museum after discovering it was looted during World War II. Here's the story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 21:05:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k541541D032000 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:05:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54150Hm011926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54147wE035241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5413xEx072921; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5413tTq072841 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J0B00K2S9M8BH00@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:03:44 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] New portrait of Eleanora of Toledo found In-reply-to: <20060604003015.96939.qmail@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:05:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448231BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You know... I can't be called an expert on art, but this does not look like Eleonora of Toledo, 2nd Duchess of Florence, to me. It looks like "our Eleonora's " niece Eleonora of Toledo,(she was the daughter of her brother Garcia). The younger Eleonora married Cosimo and Eleonora's youngest son Pietro (their 11th child)and was later murdered by him for supposed infidelity. (Not that he was any prize, but let's not go there...) The little dog (which is the same breed as the one shown in the painting Bronzino did called "the Lady with the Dog"( she is wearing a brilliant red dress) which has recently been identified as Maria Salviati, Cosimo's mother), means fidelity, but also sexual or marital love... The portrait in the BBC article is similar to at least 2 other paintings of the younger Eleonora I know of. I think the dress is in this portrait too late in style for "our Eleonora"-- the standing collar is a muchlater style. Our Eleonora had a very distinctive style that she brought with her to Florence. Also, if it was by Allori, I think he would have painted a more flattering portrait , such as the one in Duke Francesco's Studiolo, which made her look beautiful and healthy, just the was Francesco wanted to remember his mom. Alorri painting would have been posthumous anyway... Bronzino's portraits of "our" Eleonora show her very gaunt toward the end of her life and her style of clothing is consistant. Best Regards, Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 8:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] New portrait of Eleanora of Toledo found BBC correspondent Charles Wheeler has returned a painting to a German museum after discovering it was looted during World War II. Here's the story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 21:53:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k541rAJS000862 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:53:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k541r5AJ002252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:53:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k541qiJU041585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k541qgUh003043; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k541qcUe002994 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 19:52:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A697C853 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:52:35 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-121-6.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-121-6.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.121.6]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:52:35 +1000 Message-ID: <1149385955.44823ce3a163f@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:52:35 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leather dyeing References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> <8C8548E4E84B3B7-1B3C-E5B@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C8548E4E84B3B7-1B3C-E5B@mblk-d44.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:53:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44823D01.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO it would be cool if I could buy a bleached hide and dye my own leather > for their shoes, too. The problem with leather dying (as opposed to products that "paint" colour over the leather) is fixing. You are better off using the correct dye and fixer. If buying the leather from a merchant, consult with them about the best dye to use for the particular leather you are using -- be specific as the size of the job may impact upon the best method. Oh, and don't be afraid to ask even if it sounds odd, most merchants are leather enthusiasts and would love to help, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 23:44:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543io0Y004127 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:44:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k543ikrk000712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543iNio054234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543iK7t072106; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53GTcaQ059122 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:29:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k53GTZE3012511 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00eb01c6872a$e4c01e90$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200606021756.k52HtOt4083504@net.indra.com> <4.3.1.2.20060602190250.025a6b58@mail.frys.com> <002b01c686cc$4a3e8720$d22a5142@dnyeaqvf> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:29:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wal Mart Fabric was: Hancock's closing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:44:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4482572E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been lucky enough to find linen/linen blends at Wal-Mart. And I have to admit that when I travel, I look for them just so I can check out their fabric department. I don't particularly like shopping at Wal Mart, but sometimes economics are the driving force. But I will still drive to Jo-Ann's to get Guterman thread. It's about a 30 mile round trip to the nearest store (they closed all of the smaller stores - 6 of them, or so - and opened up one of their super stores). I try to plan my trips so I'm not just going for thread; I also stock up on thread and sewing machine needles when they're on sale. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 23:47:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543lZvv004210 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:47:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k543lVG1014934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:47:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543kbQa054591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:46:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543kaOB073532; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:46:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k53Nghbb027659 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J0B005AM5UVUL90@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:42:31 -0400 From: monica spence To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:47:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448257D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You know... I can't be called an expert on art, but this does not look like Eleonora of Toledo, 2nd Duchess of Florence, to me. It looks like "our Eleonora's " niece Eleonora of Toledo,(she was the daughter of her brother Garcia). The younger Eleonora married Cosimo and Eleonora's youngest son Pietro (their 11th child)and was later murdered by him for supposed infidelity. (Not that he was any prize, but let's not go there...) The little dog (which is the same breed as the one shown in the painting Bronzino did called "the Lady with the Dog"( she is wearing a brilliant red dress) which has recently been identified as Maria Salviati, Cosimo's mother), means fidelity, but also sexual or marital love... The portrait in the BBC article is similar to at least 2 other paintings of the younger Eleonora I know of. I think the dress is in this portrait too late in style for "our Eleonora"-- the standing collar is a muchlater style. Our Eleonora had a very distinctive style that she brought with her to Florence. Also, if it was by Allori, I think he would have painted a more flattering portrait of "our Eleonora" , such as the one in Duke Francesco's Studiolo, which made her look beautiful and healthy, just the was Francesco wanted to remember his mom. Alorri painting would have been posthumous anyway... Bronzino's portraits of "our" Eleonora show her very gaunt toward the end of her life and her style of clothing is consistant. Best Regards, Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 2:33 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo Actually, that painting is nearly dead-on to about 5 paintings attributed to several artists. A few months back I was digging into the source of an lithograph I had found in Levi-Piesetsky (sp? I'm lazy today). I was trying to find out who this Bahuet guy was, and we came to the general conclusion that she made an error in the translations to his name or something like that, that it was likely based on something else. I had said the same thing, that the dates given didn't match that of Eleanora. Some of the other paintings that came up relative said they were ladies of her court, not Herself. The others that look like this one are dated in the 1540-1560's range. I have the fabric and trimmings, even the gold couching pattern ready.... just a matter of getting to making the thing.... so many projects, so little time. Especially when I have one that has me painted into a corner like that Florentine hose I am knawing on.... no one has any ideas on how to do this? Anyone? Bueller? Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 I heard about this miniature on the BBC radio news this evening:- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5037002.stm If you click to enlarge the image, you'll also see more of the painting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 3 23:47:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543lVBH004207 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:47:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k543lR1x022245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543kgLt054609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k543kg1W073610; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:46:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5407Cbj041341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k54079tV006437 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:11 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:09:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20060603152146.0204ee28@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448257CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Both stores are on the Eastern side of the Willamette river (that's Will-am-ut, not Will-ha-met) river in Portland, Oregon. Both are huge, about a city block square. Mill Ends is off McLoughlin Blvd, and south towards Milwaukie (sorry, but the spelling is our very own). It has the extra added attraction of being near a Pendleton outlet store as well. That outlet store has wool on spindles for weaving, Untra-Suade for $15.00 a yard, and fabric that runs about $10 a yard - what you see is what you get. Other than that they have almost anything you might want to make something like BUTTONS! Fabric Depot (Despot) is located on the eastern side of the city on 122nd Avenue and Stark (numbered streets run north and south, named ones east/west) and has the lovely habit of allowing you to order or buy in bolts, boxes, full whatevers and then giving you an automatic 40% off. I buy pins by the 5 pound box. Since they don't have to put them on those little hooks, they pass the savings on to us. They also carry spiral boning, hoop wire, solid boning and front opening busks now as well as almost anything else you might want. Washougal, Washington is just across the I 205 bridge and a bit east from Portland/Vancouver. It has the BIG Pendleton outlet store. What you see is what you get. I picked up 15 yards of light as a feather light, dark teal, 100% Pendleton wool on the remnant table for $1.50 a yard. It is in several pieces but I can deal with that! Also has a huge crate full of buttons - oh, and seconds and older model Pendleton clothing for mundane wear. Look up www.mapquest . Put in Portland, Oregon - Washougal, Washington - Milwaukie, Oregon and there you have us. Regina > >Other than this place, I make a yearly pilgrimage to Portland, OR to > >visit Fabric Depot and Mill End Fabrics. > > Althea - where is this wonderful store, and what is the name of it? > Julie > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 00:32:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544WBkU005446 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:32:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k544W6dJ026149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544VrjM059211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544VrTl097583; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544Vnp5097547 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k544LmK00537 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:21:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:39:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:32:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44826247.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How many times I am going to have to see this identical freaking response on different lists? Perilously close to spamming, as far as I'm concerned.... I realize that I may be extra cranky tonight, but for pity's sake, please don't just copy the same ding-donged thing to different lists, especially ones that haven't even been discussing the bloody thing. --sue/maire ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo > > > You know... > > I can't be called an expert on art, but this does not look like Eleonora of > Toledo, 2nd Duchess of Florence, to me. It looks like "our Eleonora's " > niece Eleonora of Toledo,(she was the daughter of her brother Garcia). The > younger Eleonora married Cosimo and Eleonora's youngest son Pietro (their > 11th child)and was later murdered by him for supposed infidelity. (Not that > he was any prize, but let's not go there...) > > The little dog (which is the same breed as the one shown in the painting > Bronzino did called "the Lady with the Dog"( she is wearing a brilliant red > dress) which has recently been identified as Maria Salviati, Cosimo's > mother), means fidelity, but also sexual or marital love... > > The portrait in the BBC article is similar to at least 2 other paintings of > the younger Eleonora I know of. I think the dress is in this portrait too > late in style for "our Eleonora"-- the standing collar is a muchlater style. > Our Eleonora had a very distinctive style that she brought with her to > Florence. > > Also, if it was by Allori, I think he would have painted a more flattering > portrait of "our Eleonora" , such as the one in Duke Francesco's Studiolo, > which made her look beautiful and healthy, just the was Francesco wanted to > remember his mom. Alorri painting would have been posthumous anyway... > Bronzino's portraits of "our" Eleonora show her very gaunt toward the end > of her life and her style of clothing is consistant. > > Best Regards, > Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kathy Page > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 2:33 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 00:42:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544gVNo005716 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:42:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k544gRGS016534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:42:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544fe6A060118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544ffGu002864; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544fdjA002784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FmkQj-0001yP-Jp; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:41:37 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:41:37 -0400 Message-ID: <20060604004137.4xo11j1blwks84gc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:41:37 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo References: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:42:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448264B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sue Clemenger : > How many times I am going to have to see this identical freaking response on > different lists? Perilously close to spamming, as far as I'm concerned.... > I realize that I may be extra cranky tonight, but for pity's sake, please > don't just copy the same ding-donged thing to different lists, especially > ones that haven't even been discussing the bloody thing. It's not Monica's fault. This list does that from time to time. It's just burped out this particular thread again. Dunno if the messages get stuck on a server somewhere or not, but it happens. Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "monica spence" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 00:52:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544qA3e005998 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:52:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k544q6dt031177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:52:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544pHbV060895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544pFQc007571; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k544pCcj007518 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m166.in-tch.com [216.166.191.166]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k544fAK03279 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:41:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002301c68793$909405c0$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> <20060604004137.4xo11j1blwks84gc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:58:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:52:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448266F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Part of it could be list-burping (I hadn't thought of that, actually! ;o), but actually, she has posted exactly the same thing, more than once, on at least one other list that we're both on. Apparently. --sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo > Quoting Sue Clemenger : > > > How many times I am going to have to see this identical freaking response on > > different lists? Perilously close to spamming, as far as I'm concerned.... > > I realize that I may be extra cranky tonight, but for pity's sake, please > > don't just copy the same ding-donged thing to different lists, especially > > ones that haven't even been discussing the bloody thing. > > It's not Monica's fault. This list does that from time to time. It's > just burped out this particular thread again. Dunno if the messages > get stuck on a server somewhere or not, but it happens. > > Susan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "monica spence" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:42 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo > > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 01:15:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545FAVc006444 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k545F6go015672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545ENnb062822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545EMwA018986; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545EIwj018963 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k545EJ4O001455 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:14:20 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545DN2Y198436 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060603220817.0270f560@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:09:44 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.0.20060603152146.0204ee28@ipostoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:15:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44826C5A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Washougal, Washington is just across the I 205 bridge and a bit east from >Portland/Vancouver. It has the BIG Pendleton outlet store. What you see is >what you get. I picked up 15 yards of light as a feather light, dark teal, >100% Pendleton wool on the remnant table for $1.50 a yard. It is in several >pieces but I can deal with that! Also has a huge crate full of buttons - >oh, and seconds and older model Pendleton clothing for mundane wear. > >Look up www.mapquest . Put in Portland, Oregon - Washougal, Washington - >Milwaukie, Oregon and there you have us. Oh yeah! Every time I go to Portland I bring back a large box of wool. Someone here in CA asked me if it was poly-wool, and I said no, it was Pendleton. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 01:42:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545gMR6007027 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:42:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k545gIr1012054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 01:42:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545feQg064797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545fdhd033057; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k545fZVQ033007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k545fVpt022391 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:41:34 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:43:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448272BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks! I wanted to make the same comment after seeing this one everywhere! Enough Already! Regina Romsey ('Lanie's Keeper) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 09:49:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54Dn1d7000490 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:49:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54DmtFG025315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:49:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54DmXCS028473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54DmU3s018441; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54DmQT9018352 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.47b.26fdf73 (41812) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:48:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <47b.26fdf73.31b43ea1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:48:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Leeds Market X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:49:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4482E4C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Doesn't ring any bells (pardon the awful pun). Was he inside or outside? There is a stall inside that used to be run by an asian guy, but that's just been taken over by two white blokes. And Jack's fabrics (the place that sells suiting down near the bottom, inside), has been taken over by the curtain fabric place next door (I think Jack retired). But they still sell the lovely wool suitings and overcoating. There's now also a lovely jewish bloke outside (not there on Sat for obvious reasons), who gets some lovely patterned wools. And a guy who's there on (I think) Friday and saturday if the weather's good. He sells some seriously gorgeous silks for little prices, so I like him! (He also sells lace and assorted intersting bit and bobs.) Which haberdashery shop at the top? The big one or the little one? The little one's now been taken over by Samuel Taylor's and have put their prices up (don't quite understand it cos they're literally only round the corner). But in consequence the place seems to be selling less and less habby and more and more rubber stamps! But there's still a fabulous stall at the bottom, that's crammed to the hilt with all sorts of stuff (mostly hidden so you have to ask for it) - I swear if a fireman saw it he'd shut it down as a huge fire risk, but it's really good. Gonna stop going on now (can you tell I love the place?? :o) - the first thing I did when I came down to Yorks was spend about three days wandering round the market, learning my way round ). Debs In a message dated 6/4/06 2:06:07 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Hi! Debbie > > I used to go to Leeds quite a lot (we're only an hour's train journey > away), and used to spend most of my time in the market. The last time I bought > any fabric there, I went to an Asian guy who used to mimic a telephone ringing > - is he still there? My husband had to pinch me to stop me from laughing, as > he did it mid-conversation! I love the haberdashery stall that is right at > the front; I ended up buying a carrier bag full of stuff I didn't really need > (I will never run out of hand sewing needles!), but I was like a child in a > sweet shop, as I don't have that choice in my home town. > > All the best > Jayne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 11:40:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54Fe6VX004858 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:40:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54Fe0ZD018027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54FdbGK046408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54FdYI7090809; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54FdUdq090778 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k54FdSmV001686 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008301c687ed$0ecbbd30$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:39:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] place names, was: Hancock Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:40:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4482FED0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO :-D That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo and Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is "Man-ta-way"; Lima is "Ly-ma" like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just wide spots in the road. Except for Toledo, none of them have a fabric store. :-( kate, the wanderer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics > Did this post make anyone else's head hurt from the names involved (grin)? > > Poland? Then I got the feeling that the country wasn't what was named by > Youngstown, but then Boardman (which is in Oregon as far as I'm concerned) > came up. Then we had China (Canton) to balance out Poland! > > That's what happens when you read in the preview screen and haven't an > clue > what you have just opened. > > Regina, Laughing in delight at the names found in short distances in the > US _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 11:49:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54Fnmab005048 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54Fni9n006842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:49:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54Fmwce049928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54FmuZt096279; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54FmJAj095880 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from msberard@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so1137715ugc for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:48:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TqLqAMHC4+/ltIuLOKoo+0Y4JUOOzcFABQ/sswCQERDTejM1US3iucT1rmwRLvwHtp4U0lrQKb9QS9vKXapHO9PDkae1jEryXGkpXcKqoOmjS+mS6xnNJMBfY1Ptb0G9vs+edTxterBU4RiyptFZySVG6lorhQH4SSyOJ2mmm4w= Received: by 10.67.103.7 with SMTP id f7mr2563194ugm; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.102.17 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 08:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 10:48:18 -0500 From: "Onaree Berard" To: "Historical Costume" In-Reply-To: <20060602154217.7gcu550q74oo00o0@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060602181836.BXGZ1543.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> <20060602154217.7gcu550q74oo00o0@www.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cotton conundrum? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:49:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44830118.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >From what I've read (can't remember the sources, it was some time ago) that cotton orignally came in several colours but white is the easiest to dye so plants were bred to be as white as possible. I think cotton started/was used as an ornamental plant, I think China? so colour would be desirable in that context. Onaree -- Proud List Mom of Irish_Crochet_Lovers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 13:06:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54H6Ln4006873 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:06:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54H6HNo005684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:06:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54H5bSX070656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54H5VW6044509; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54H4qWk044104 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J0C00EXII3YK6H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:04:39 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo In-reply-to: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:06:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44831309.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all-- I am sorry that there was a repeat of the email. I resent it because my computer said I was not on the h-costume list. I resent it trying to get it to post. I also sent it to the Society-wide Laurel's list, the Eastern Manche and Laurel lists, since no one had posted the link to those lists. Of course, I added my comments with the link. If you are on any/all of those lists, you would receive it multiple times. I am sorry for the inconvenience of seeing it so many times. BTW-- if you are on the Eastern lists, they are sent twice because of the way the email is sent: once to your own email, once to the list, so you will see it. Annoying? At times. But not a beheading offense. I had no intention of angering anyone , just informing them. As for this painting of Eleonora not being discussed as a subject on this list: since the h-costume list was the source,I thought it would be OK to comment. I did not realize one had to wait for someone specific, or a specific group of list members to make their comments first. I know that I am new to the list, but I was under the impression that anyone could comment on whatever had been posted. Please give me my assigned "commenter" number and I will happily wait my turn the next time. Best Regards Monica Spence (Baroness Catriona MacDuff OL OP, etc. in SCA, Kingdom of the East) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo How many times I am going to have to see this identical freaking response on different lists? Perilously close to spamming, as far as I'm concerned.... I realize that I may be extra cranky tonight, but for pity's sake, please don't just copy the same ding-donged thing to different lists, especially ones that haven't even been discussing the bloody thing. --sue/maire ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo > > > You know... > > I can't be called an expert on art, but this does not look like Eleonora of > Toledo, 2nd Duchess of Florence, to me. It looks like "our Eleonora's " > niece Eleonora of Toledo,(she was the daughter of her brother Garcia). The > younger Eleonora married Cosimo and Eleonora's youngest son Pietro (their > 11th child)and was later murdered by him for supposed infidelity. (Not that > he was any prize, but let's not go there...) > > The little dog (which is the same breed as the one shown in the painting > Bronzino did called "the Lady with the Dog"( she is wearing a brilliant red > dress) which has recently been identified as Maria Salviati, Cosimo's > mother), means fidelity, but also sexual or marital love... > > The portrait in the BBC article is similar to at least 2 other paintings of > the younger Eleonora I know of. I think the dress is in this portrait too > late in style for "our Eleonora"-- the standing collar is a muchlater style. > Our Eleonora had a very distinctive style that she brought with her to > Florence. > > Also, if it was by Allori, I think he would have painted a more flattering > portrait of "our Eleonora" , such as the one in Duke Francesco's Studiolo, > which made her look beautiful and healthy, just the was Francesco wanted to > remember his mom. Alorri painting would have been posthumous anyway... > Bronzino's portraits of "our" Eleonora show her very gaunt toward the end > of her life and her style of clothing is consistant. > > Best Regards, > Monica Spence (Catriona MacDuff in the SCA) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Kathy Page > Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 2:33 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 14:33:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54IXbwC008781 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:33:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54IXWWU027004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 14:33:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54IWfv6082858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54IWduk003748; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54IWXk2003676 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FmxOp-000Nrp-9P for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 18:32:32 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:31:27 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] place names, was: Hancock Fabrics References: <008301c687ed$0ecbbd30$2f02a8c0@Duncan> In-Reply-To: <008301c687ed$0ecbbd30$2f02a8c0@Duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:33:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4483277C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My husband and I have a theory that there should be wormholes between places with the same name, so you only have to drive to the one nearest and then travel almost instantaneously to the distant one. We think this every time we set off on the 10-hour drive to my parents, and pass a town of the same name about 1 1/2 hours into the journey! Jean Ailith Mackintosh wrote >:-D > >That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, >Toledo and Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced >oddly; Mantua is "Man-ta-way"; Lima is "Ly-ma" like the bean. Cairo and >Paris are just wide spots in the road. > >Except for Toledo, none of them have a fabric store. :-( > >kate, the wanderer > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Wanda Pease" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:41 PM >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock Fabrics > > >> Did this post make anyone else's head hurt from the names involved (grin)? >> >> Poland? Then I got the feeling that the country wasn't what was named by >> Youngstown, but then Boardman (which is in Oregon as far as I'm concerned) >> came up. Then we had China (Canton) to balance out Poland! >> >> That's what happens when you read in the preview screen and haven't >>an clue >> what you have just opened. >> >> Regina, Laughing in delight at the names found in short distances in >>the US > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 15:22:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54JMKNX010057 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:22:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54JMGC7012737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:22:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54JLY8x089278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54JLNNN035307; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54JKZsL034811 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J0C0022POE1LE50@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.43] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.54.5]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:20:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:20:29 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] place names, was: Hancock Fabrics To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:22:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448332E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO When my parents would drive to visit my Grandparents we would pass New Mexico, Texas and Warsaw, NY - all within a few minutes of each other. Near Rochester there is a Lima also, however if you pronounce it like the bean they will either hit you or throw zuchinni at you (depending upon the season) :-) And of course we can't forget Utica, Troy, Ithica and Ilion, NY. Katheryne ------------------------------ From: Jean Waddie My husband and I have a theory that there should be wormholes between places with the same name, so you only have to drive to the one nearest and then travel almost instantaneously to the distant one. We think this every time we set off on the 10-hour drive to my parents, and pass a town of the same name about 1 1/2 hours into the journey! Jean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 15:58:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54JwN6W011673 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:58:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54JwJ5b006882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:58:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54Jw33i093295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54JvxbB058097; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp5.america.net (qsmtp5.america.net [69.60.160.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54Jvt2N058052 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: from [65.125.64.149] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp5.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FmyjS-0001TZ-5Z for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:57:54 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604145222.0191ce98@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 14:57:22 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo In-Reply-To: References: <001e01c68790$dc43a960$a6bfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44833B5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:04 PM 6/4/2006, you wrote: >As for this painting of Eleonora not being discussed as a subject on this >list: since the h-costume list was the source,I thought it would be OK to >comment. I did not realize one had to wait for someone specific, or a >specific group of list members to make their comments first. I know that I >am new to the list, but I was under the impression that anyone could comment >on whatever had been posted. Please give me my assigned "commenter" number >and I will happily wait my turn the next time. > >Best Regards >Monica Spence Monica, There is no order of who can comment first or not. Don't take a few angry comments to heart. Most people say in the subject or their first lines some sort of apology when they post to several lists. That said, Thanks for your comments. I am sure that it was the server that messed up this time, because I got this message, word for word, at least three times and am only on HCost of all the lists you mentioned. And to all you others, Please refrain from being too angry until you know the whole story. No one can take back something they have already said. Returning to lurk mode Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 19:04:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54N4a1N019258 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:04:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k54N4WXK010687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54N3XjU017184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54N3THT068343; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:03:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k54N3QVx068246 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:03:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.493.1f671c8 (43931) for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:03:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <493.1f671c8.31b4c0b3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:03:15 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:04:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44836700.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The New York up the road from my childhood home is more or less a one road village. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 22:31:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k552V1C8026662 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:31:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k552Uu2d009316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:31:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k552U181046388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k552TvsP097465; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k552TrYq097413 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.156] (pm5-156.eos.net [205.133.149.156]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k552TgRV004838 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:29:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:15:40 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200606041800.k54I06cG082119@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 22:31:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44839760.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kate wrote: > That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo and > Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is > "Man-ta-way"; Lima is "Ly-ma" like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just wide > spots in the road. Don't forget Cambridge and Oxford! Gail Finke PS: And there's Versailles Indiana ("Ver-SALES") too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 4 23:17:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k553HE5v028355 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:17:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k553HA7M010458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k553DKPs052842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k553DJnP027356; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:13:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k553DDRg027292 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:13:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k553DBnA002063 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005001c6884d$f855cdf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:13:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4483A236.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, duh. I've been through Cambridge many, many times and there's a yearly SCA event in Oxford that I regularly attend. My husband tells that there is a Rome here too. :-) Hmm...I just checked and there are not one, but THREE Romes in Ohio! Looks like all three are wide spots in the road, though. Who knew? Costume content?? Well, I just ordered some black linen so that I can make household colored stuff for my husband and myself. Hope it gets here in time for me to get things done! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 > Kate wrote: > >> That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo >> and >> Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is >> "Man-ta-way"; Lima is "Ly-ma" like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just >> wide >> spots in the road. > > Don't forget Cambridge and Oxford! > > Gail Finke > > PS: And there's Versailles Indiana ("Ver-SALES") too. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 00:30:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554UUJv031600 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:30:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k554Twpe003624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554TMvK065267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554TK14080014; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554TGoF079969 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k554TD9D002173 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005001c6884d$f855cdf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:29:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:30:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4483B347.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The "duh" was for me, btw...I should have remembered that they're in Ohio! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 > Well, duh. I've been through Cambridge many, many times and there's a > yearly SCA event in Oxford that I regularly attend. > > My husband tells that there is a Rome here too. :-) Hmm...I just checked > and there are not one, but THREE Romes in Ohio! Looks like all three are > wide spots in the road, though. > > Who knew? > > Costume content?? Well, I just ordered some black linen so that I can make > household colored stuff for my husband and myself. Hope it gets here in > time for me to get things done! > > kate > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 > > >> Kate wrote: >> >>> That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo >>> and >>> Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are pronounced oddly; Mantua is >>> "Man-ta-way"; Lima is "Ly-ma" like the bean. Cairo and Paris are just >>> wide >>> spots in the road. >> >> Don't forget Cambridge and Oxford! >> >> Gail Finke >> >> PS: And there's Versailles Indiana ("Ver-SALES") too. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 00:39:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554duHv032163 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:39:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k554dpvF009215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554dAqC066160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:39:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k554d980086572; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k554cTJs086073 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 22:39:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 98856 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2006 04:38:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pm98JBHPtYW0bKGxFq0E8kY8TBTRleWkefeg5dejFON5z7ccsGBCIQ/r3JpCnzTHdP+gWs/GViBHFS6g2LnzJ2mmfZUsV7rgTf20XKsV+eBBIP7nsA/gExdnVknsxrKcpdstAHRwxL4yzqiA6PoNdutsdKgqsQ6tKM6hoXFaWio= ; Message-ID: <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:38:23 PDT Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 21:38:23 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:39:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4483B597.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Don't forget Athens and Lancaster. Plus I love shopping in Berlin - all those lovely fabric shops. Rebecca --- Ailith Mackintosh wrote: > The "duh" was for me, btw...I should have remembered > that they're in Ohio! > > kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ailith Mackintosh" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:13 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, > Issue 462 > > > > Well, duh. I've been through Cambridge many, many > times and there's a > > yearly SCA event in Oxford that I regularly > attend. > > > > My husband tells that there is a Rome here too. > :-) Hmm...I just checked > > and there are not one, but THREE Romes in Ohio! > Looks like all three are > > wide spots in the road, though. > > > > Who knew? > > > > Costume content?? Well, I just ordered some black > linen so that I can make > > household colored stuff for my husband and myself. > Hope it gets here in > > time for me to get things done! > > > > kate > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gail & Scott Finke" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 PM > > Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, > Issue 462 > > > > > >> Kate wrote: > >> > >>> That's nothing...in Ohio, I can visit London, > Paris, Cairo, Lima, Toledo > >>> and > >>> Mantua in a day. Of course, some of them are > pronounced oddly; Mantua is > >>> "Man-ta-way"; Lima is "Ly-ma" like the bean. > Cairo and Paris are just > >>> wide > >>> spots in the road. > >> > >> Don't forget Cambridge and Oxford! > >> > >> Gail Finke > >> > >> PS: And there's Versailles Indiana ("Ver-SALES") > too. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 01:10:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k555AgCG002954 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:10:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k555Ac9A001771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5559wR7069756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5559wef006727; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5559pa9006656 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 23:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 54F0136C9C for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:09:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:09:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A request was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:10:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4483BCCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For those on digest, please place something in the subject line other then Digest, Vol #, Issue### so that I may know what the subject is about. It is easier for my poor feeble mind to remember "New Portrait" or "Hosen question" then Vol. #, Issue ### Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 03:59:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k557x0mR011573 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:59:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k557wur7008555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:58:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k557wJ1h092863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k557wF36022833; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k557w0bd022704 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 16525 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 07:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.144.92.109 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 07:57:54 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:55:48 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Viking Clothing Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 03:58:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4483E440.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k557x0mR011573 Status: RO From another site I use. I know nothing about it, apart from what you see below. Suzi ---------- Announcing . . . Viking Clothing Thor Ewing ISBN 0-7524-3587-6 £17.99 Tempus Publishing Ltd 2006 The first book devoted to the subject, it draws on archaeological, literary, pictorial and linguistic evidence, to arrive at a fresh understanding of the nature of Viking clothing, covering rich and poor, men and women across Scandinavia. For more information, please visit www.historicalarts.co.uk/books/vikingclothing.html where you can order your signed first edition _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 04:39:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k558dcFe022230 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:39:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k558dYkX023834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:39:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k558cbqt006730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 02:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k558cawt048392; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 02:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k558cVW0048269 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 02:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k558cOk24110.; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:38:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:38:24 +0100 Message-Id: <4483FB7E02000014000B7ED4@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:38:06 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] U.S.-based Fabric stores closing References: <003e01c686a5$55d24fd0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <20060603082155.87036.qmail@web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060603082155.87036.qmail@web25915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:39:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4483EDC6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You are fortunate, Julian. There are no dress fabric shops left here in Derby, England, only one or two market stalls, and the only one of those that sold wool has now closed. I have to rely on the traders at reenactment events for fabric suitable for historical costume. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> smnco37@yahoo.co.uk 03/06/2006 09:21 >>> Hearing all your sad tales of your local fabric stores closing has made me realise that we in the little Island of Jersey must be extremely fortunate in having "Hamon's" of King St., Saint Helier, to patronise. ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 06:33:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55AXB6F014351 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:33:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k55AX7XI007316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55AWmPn030820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55AWllm020977; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.213]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k55AWgXg020860 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dresspattern@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 95644 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2006 10:32:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0Kuu4TD2xAll/ENoLg2vvPKitT+Z5RAZuz0RPl+LQVW/lMhYHvCilq4PJ45GUqY7xxou+VawcpwNuYMU7MhLxndL4OhiYUM9ZZwi50tgOJnEvBumm8qaLi7ms2LZo3WX0cVNoVSYARfA8xICjz/0HkNCoAede6LVlQ3TE5An9Qc= ; Message-ID: <20060605103236.95642.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.12.116.10] by web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:32:36 BST Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:32:36 +0100 (BST) From: Jayne Thomas To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Leeds Market X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:33:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44840863.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Debbie The Asian guy had his stall inside, it was quite near another, run by I think, a white couple. It is a few years since I have been to have a good look around the market as I have problems with childcare, as my daughter gets bored easily, though it's high time I went back though! The haberdashery stall is near the right hand side main entrance as you cross over the road (Vicar Lane?). There is a newspaper kiosk next to it, and a toy stall nearby. I have only been on a Thursday (the rail fare is cheaper than Friday/Saturday!), so the outside market has been a second hand market - I have only seen a stall with a couple of rolls of furnishing fabric on it. Best Wishes Jayne --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 16:18:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55KIH62004629 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:18:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k55KIChp009580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:18:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55GHk5Y006368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55GHTSK004862; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53313.mail.yahoo.com (web53313.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k55GHMcT004615 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carletta_nicolosi@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44439 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2006 16:17:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SUIeqce4oDWd6B+teF7VMXaNnQPA/GUX5rdWD151wPHvQIyTFHfQVwk6tdvAkMrfUZotMFcSbwZ6jY0OncozQtSd6+qtQCxeyAnnHNiwEH1rhFSdUGtrJ6nPyUetdmkwIPIUddj58vq6pD1250q0/GS12mQmTgzbb4Get8dS6+Q= ; Message-ID: <20060605161716.44437.qmail@web53313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.78.73.147] by web53313.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:17:16 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Carletta da Nicolosi Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: New Portrait of Eleonora of Toledo To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20060604145222.0191ce98@justinanimator.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44849184.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings All. I, for one, did not receive multiple posts and found this information quite interesting. Some of us on this list are not Laurels or members of multiple lists. I agree, please refrain from sending an email when angry. Those words can be very hurtful to someone new or excited and cannot be taken back. Just my 2 cents worth. Going back to "lurk mode". Carletta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 19:13:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55NDT0A008228 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:13:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k55NDNu7006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:13:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55IiQuQ038002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55IiJLL030394; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55IiESf030207 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060605183349m1200dj516e>; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:33:50 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:33:43 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sloper form Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 18:33:43 +0000 Message-Id: <060520061833.25641.4484790700058B380000642922007374780809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:13:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4484BA93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Here's an idea...instead of using christmas tree stands, you can get really nice market umbrella holder/stands. With summer just around the corner, there should be some sort of supply around somewhere. Maybe at the local home improvement stores? Just a thought.. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Hi Beth, > I made the sloper of unbleached cotton. > You are right that you can stuff it two hard, so that it gets two thick, but > i find that this special teddy bear stuffing, is nice to form with, and i > have obtained a shape very like my own. > I just placed it on top of the cut away bottom of my supermand model, and it > rests on it. I intend to glue it to the top of the bottom. > I didnt make any legs to the model, that would be two difficult to me to > make, but i do intend in near future, to add a right arm to it. Its > potential to me, that i can see how the back of my jackets and waistcoats > are, and that is the major factor. > I have seen at the companys who sells dress forms, that you can buy seperate > stands. Why dont you do this? And then use a broom stick to the stand? Let > the end of the stick rest on the neck top. Perhaps stuff in a heavy > cardboard here, to keep it have the shape? > I really intend to make a female sloper two, to the corsets i make. I hate > the breast part sitting two low, and it wont moove :-) > It was years and years since i made a sloper model last, but fortunately i > have a folder with recipies how to construkt these, from my designschool. It > really wasnt difficult to make, it kind of is in my brain already. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth Schoenberg" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] sloper form > > > > Hi, Bjarne, > > > > You always amaze me!! Making one of these is such a big project, yet you > > mention it so matter-of-factly, as if it was a good idea, but a bit of an > > after-thought!! > > > > What did you use for the outer surface of the dress form? Unbleached > > cotton (muslin or calico)? Linen? Something heavier? Not fabric at all? > > > > A group of friends and I have been talking about making "duct-tape > > doubles," using duct tape, or wide house-painter's masking tape, or > > possibly fabric medical tape (expensive!) --- over plastic garbage bags or > > thin dry-cleaner's bags. We've been debating using foam-rubber for the > > stuffing, or teddy-bear stuffing, or spray-in building-insulation foam > > (this last is not squishable, but it is "carve-able"). The expected > > problem with using fabric fitted to shape is that the fabric "body" will > > be distorted out of the correct shape, as it is forcibly stuffed, for the > > person it's supposed to fit. How did you achieve your fit? > > > > One thing we have discovered is that an old microphone stand is *very* > > heavy, and might be an ideal base for a dress form, especially for our > > large and heavy historic dresses. > > > > I'm also curious: did you put whole or partial legs on your form? > > > > Beth S > > --- in clear and frosty Kambah, in Canberra, the big-city-small-town > > capital of Australia > > > > > > > > On 03/06/2006, at 9:29 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> My friends at Live Journal, gave me the idea to make myself a sloper > >> form. > >> I had recently ordered a mans dress form, but when it arrived, i found > >> out it was much, much two big for me, it was a superman. > >> So some of my friends suggested me to make myself a sloper model, pad the > >> armholes, and neck, and stuff it with teddybear stuffing. > >> I did yesterday, and i had to buy 6 large bags of stuffing, to fill out > >> my sloper. > >> The stand from the Superman i used for my own sloper model, and now i > >> have my own uniquely you. > >> Boy i am so happy that i made it, i have tryed on my suits on it, and i > >> actually found out many things i could have done better with the cut. > >> Now i am going to make myself a lot of nice outfits. > >> Also for period corsets, the sloper model is a brilliant idea, because > >> its squishable. > >> > >> Bjarne > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leif og Bjarne Drews > >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >> > >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 19:27:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55NRXkK008439 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:27:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k55NRSUT019728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:27:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55IvuK5040961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55Ivdxd044115; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:57:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55HJkPi061104 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:19:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C463B630 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:19:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <448467C7.9050505@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:20:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060605103236.95642.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060605103236.95642.qmail@web27509.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fabric in Albany, NY? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:27:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4484BDE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of places to buy fabric, does anyone know of any shops in the Albany NY area worth going out of the way for? Is the Dollar Fabrics chain still in business in that region? I'll be coming into the airport this Friday on my way to a wedding, and *might* be able to manage one store if it's easy to get to. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 20:35:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k560ZH4c010925 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:35:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k560ZBkC030152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:35:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k560YMbH005321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k560YBIg042590; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k560Y7Y2042523 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dannw@mn.rr.com) Received: from NunnWeinberg1.mn.rr.com (CPE-70-92-181-159.mn.res.rr.com [70.92.181.159]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k560Y4Ed015552 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:34:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060605192902.01d8a550@pop-server.mn.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:30:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] A request was: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 462 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:35:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4484CDBF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:09 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote: >For those on digest, please place something in the subject line other then >Digest, Vol #, Issue### so that I may know what the subject is about. It is >easier for my poor feeble mind to remember "New Portrait" or "Hosen >question" then Vol. #, Issue ### > >Thank you, >De I second that request. With over 1000 emails in my H-Costume box, I can't keep up and delete all Digest headings on principle - I don't have time to sift through the chaff. Cheers, Danielle. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 21:41:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561f0kj012383 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:41:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k561etCu008513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561dtOQ015986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:39:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561dq1h088042; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55IeaI9026903 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F823B632 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:17:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44847547.4070208@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:17:43 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book sale at the Met X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4484DD27.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://tinyurl.com/r3wvh A friend pointed out the 'special value' section of the museum store. Some of the discounts are quite good (some aren't). While there aren't a lot of costume specific books (I only saw one on 20th century sportswear) there are a bunch of art books on various subjects that might interest historians. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 21:42:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561gsXM012424 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:42:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k561goEa020925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561gAnC016376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561gA2w089798; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55N36lf071864 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17537 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:38:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:38:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For those interested in Italian medieval/renaissance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:42:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4484DD9A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This reference just crossed my desk. Not a recent book, but new to me: Catherine Kovesi Killerby, Sumptuary Law in Italy 1200-1500, Oxford University Press 2002. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 21:58:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561wHJL012766 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k561wDhK014020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:58:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561vsKf019100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561vrvM001683; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k561vn3V001640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.8] (209-148-124-8.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k55GTfmt029398 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <44845BF9.8070606@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:29:45 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Viking Clothing Book References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:58:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4484E135.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, if anyone wants to check out the publisher (who apparently is not the author), here is their URL: http://www.tempus-publishing.com/ Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Suzi Clarke wrote: > From another site I use. I know nothing about it, apart from what you > see below. > > Suzi > > ---------- > Announcing . . . > Viking Clothing > Thor Ewing > ISBN 0-7524-3587-6 > £17.99 Tempus Publishing Ltd 2006 > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 22:19:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562JdN9013204 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:19:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k562JZx4007582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:19:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562IlDV021226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562GjmZ013873; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562Gg6h013828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FnR7e-0004Pd-V5; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:16:46 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:16:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:16:46 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> <44845BF9.8070606@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <44845BF9.8070606@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:19:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4484E637.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And for another subject .... If I can pull it off (and it will probably take an act of God), I want to go to the Evolution Meeting at the end of the month (June 23-27) at SUNY Stony Brook. Apologies to those of you who may see this more than once ... I've *never* been to New York. If there was only *one* thing that you would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general related (and the symposium that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what would you do? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 22:36:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562afP8013601 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k562aYr7003437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562a5u0023499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562a5I7027433; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562a1NI027394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FnRQN-0005yH-Jz; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:36:07 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:36:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20060605223607.ktxwzk500c0cg800@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:36:07 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan><20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1><44845BF9.8070606@lavoltapress.com> <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> <00ca01c68911$4954a050$0302a8c0@p4audrey> In-Reply-To: <00ca01c68911$4954a050$0302a8c0@p4audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:36:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4484EA32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Audrey Bergeron-Morin : > Metropolitan Museum of Art. And, since the Cloisters are part of it, > it's not really cheating on the *one*-thing rule to tell you to go > there too :-) *giggle* That was something that I was seriously thinking about. I hate to go That Far to a place where so much cool stuff is, and *not* do something! Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 22:42:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562gXZV013758 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k562gSdr005890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:42:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562VBOK022890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562VA27024267; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:31:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562V8Kj024238 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l1so1195883nzf for ; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:31:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ZsM1fuuoCrvO3/jd6nGYlK1drA+fQgRq7nvvhZ6z/mmEal9/n3D3Ek1OuHTFBZSPNqWyVEYoxsAi2Cy/VnRdWTLr0FDs18mcV/evfltpgQE6sUeC8SfP15Im6+t29v331NeKe0T/F/hp5OX2+WXgFbxhUQE4R9zw7BiaRkTSAYE= Received: by 10.64.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr4139872qbh; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e14sm1622908qba.2006.06.05.19.31.07; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ca01c68911$4954a050$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan><20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1><44845BF9.8070606@lavoltapress.com> <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:31:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:42:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4484EB94.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Metropolitan Museum of Art. And, since the Cloisters are part of it, it's not really cheating on the *one*-thing rule to tell you to go there too :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook > > And for another subject .... > > If I can pull it off (and it will probably take an act of God), I want > to go to the Evolution Meeting at the end of the month (June 23-27) at > SUNY Stony Brook. Apologies to those of you who may see this more than > once ... > > I've *never* been to New York. If there was only *one* thing that you > would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general related (and the > symposium > that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what would you do? > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 22:44:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562ipTA013815 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:44:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k562iloo006608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562houm024523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562hmCh032656; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562hiBE032532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k564ZYSU029299 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:35:34 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Viking Clothing Book Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:54:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606052154.57616.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k562hiBE032532 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:44:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4484EC1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Monday 05 June 2006 3:55 am, Suzi Clarke wrote: > From another site I use. I know nothing about > it, apart from what you see below. > > Suzi > > ---------- > Announcing . . . > Viking Clothing > Thor Ewing > ISBN 0-7524-3587-6 > £17.99 Tempus Publishing Ltd 2006 Oooh, Suzi, I love you so! I had heard nothing about this book. However, Viking costume is my primary area of interest, so I checked it out. (Okay, I admit it; I ordered it this morning.) :-) Thanks! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 22:52:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562qXS5014018 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:52:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k562qQkL009475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:52:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562ph5p025671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562pfaE037990; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562pM92037796 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J0F002FS3OCUA00@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:45:49 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook In-reply-to: <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:52:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4484EDEA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Finish the Symposium and take the Long Island Rail Road from Stony Brook Station to NY Penn Station (That train is going WEST) Get off Take a taxi to the Met. The subways and busses go up there , but unless you know where you are going, it is worth the extra money for the taxi. ONE THING: I took students up there once and they did not one allow her to bring in her rolling suitcase into the building. (Post 9/11 security) If you have a hotel room, or can send it ahead, you will be much better off. I carry shopping bags and open totes in all the time . There is a coat and bag check that is free. There are unbelievable amounts of stuff to see. There is also a new exhibition about English fashion. Of course there is the Arms and Armor exhibit. and the Western European paintings, and the Medieval section that goes on for days.... If I was not in Pennsylvania for Grad school that week, I'd volunteer to play guide, since I live on Long Island. You do yourself a dis-service if you don't see the Met, but then there is the JP Morgan Library on Madison Ave, with its huge collection of illuminated manuscripts (look, do not touch, The Frick collection with its FAB paintings.... well you know. Probably way too much to see. There is also a new exhibit on tailoring at the museum at FIT on 7th Ave and 28th St. Free. And you can walk from Penn Station. One thing... if you DO make it to the Met, watch the prices on books. I have gotten huge discounts through Amazon on the same books. (I am sure there is a built-in "donation" for the museum in their prices.) Have a great time, Susan!!! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:17 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook And for another subject .... If I can pull it off (and it will probably take an act of God), I want to go to the Evolution Meeting at the end of the month (June 23-27) at SUNY Stony Brook. Apologies to those of you who may see this more than once ... I've *never* been to New York. If there was only *one* thing that you would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general related (and the symposium that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what would you do? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 22:54:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562s1CW014054 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:54:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k562rtbr029972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:54:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562kMdh025043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562kL4C034221; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k562kHRX034060 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m191.in-tch.com [216.166.191.191]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k562a2K18107 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:36:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00ba01c68914$6bf7f000$bfbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] For those interested in Italian medieval/renaissance Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:53:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:54:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4484EE43.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for passing on the info! Do you have an ISBN for it? I think I'll contact one of my friendly local librarians and try to ILL it.... (gotta love librarians! ;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 4:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] For those interested in Italian medieval/renaissance > > This reference just crossed my desk. Not a recent book, but new to me: > > Catherine Kovesi Killerby, Sumptuary Law in Italy 1200-1500, Oxford > University Press 2002. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 5 23:12:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k563CSDv014405 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:12:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k563CMXU020871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:12:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k563AvJd028128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k563AuUA051695; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k563ApjI051639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FnRy4-0001Sp-Qm; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:10:56 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:10:56 -0400 Message-ID: <20060605231056.4bth056askk8wkog@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:10:56 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:12:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4484F296.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > Go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Finish the Symposium and take the Long > Island Rail Road from Stony Brook Station to NY Penn Station (That train is > going WEST) Get off Take a taxi to the Met. The subways and busses go up > there , but unless you know where you are going, it is worth the extra money > for the taxi. Thanks! Just the sort of information that I need. Sounds like I want to take a whole day for the Met. > If I was not in Pennsylvania for Grad school that week, > I'd volunteer to play guide, since I live on Long Island. Well bummer! That would just be too cool. Good luck with school! I've to to finish the rest of my results and hope to present a poster if I can pull this off! > > You do yourself a dis-service if you don't see the Met, but then there is > the JP Morgan Library on Madison Ave, with its huge collection of > illuminated manuscripts (look, do not touch, The Frick collection with its > FAB paintings.... well you know. Probably way too much to see. There is also > a new exhibit on tailoring at the museum at FIT on 7th Ave and 28th St. > Free. And you can walk from Penn Station. I know that there's *scads* of stuff there. I was leaning toward the Met/Cloisters. > > One thing... if you DO make it to the Met, watch the prices on books. I'll keep that in mind. Very seldom are books *only* available at a museum shop. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 00:27:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k564RIAD016656 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:27:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k564RE0D019490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 00:27:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k564JgQU035331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k564JXKf095798; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k564JRsW095671 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 59016 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2006 04:19:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zM3C54KHDUti5OZpDvyUFskrF+CicH7hMQmd0eL0NsbdNJumiirORPP8w5k16L9I9lvuiLaX0PB7mwcumDGWmglQOepRezt/UDkkm5Nfo3ny/jsUCq1fUKix+M+NxHJe2xH6QGHRK6JY5GU40fnSMoed2WlAhNmGgJOHBD5Thyg= ; Message-ID: <20060606041922.59014.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:19:22 PDT Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:27:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44850422.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Go fabric shopping in the garment district. I was there in 2002 and just about went insane in all the wonderful, CHEAP, designer fabrics. I can't remember the streets exactly, but within a couple block radius there were so many little hole in the wall shops with great stuff. I got some yummy velvet, 60", for only $3.50/yd, trims so wonderfully cheap it would have been a sin to leave them and wanted a bunch more, but hubby wouldn't let me buy another suitcase to take it home in and I couldn't ditch anything to make room. Our conference was at the hotel across from Madison Square Garden and I walked a couple blocks down the street to the shops, so it wasn't far. Good luck getting away from your conference. There was so much I wanted to see, but I kept getting hauled into extra rehearsal sessions and getting out to the shops was about the only thing I got to do that wasn't scheduled. Rebecca --- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: > > And for another subject .... > > If I can pull it off (and it will probably take an > act of God), I want > to go to the Evolution Meeting at the end of the > month (June 23-27) at > SUNY Stony Brook. Apologies to those of you who may > see this more than > once ... > > I've *never* been to New York. If there was only > *one* thing that you > would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general > related (and the > symposium > that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what > would you do? > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 03:25:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k567PkJt018244 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:25:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k567PgrP031763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k567PGE0055593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k567PAVd019813; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k567P3ri019624 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FnVvs-0006tW-00 for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:24:56 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> References: <002201c68858$97bb6c60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> <20060605043823.98854.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060605085444.01dec470@127.0.0.1> <44845BF9.8070606@lavoltapress.com> <20060605221646.9ad90i0e80oswkcg@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2d89f4f391d8a255b5fb3f84d104693c@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:26:49 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:25:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44852DF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 06/06/2006, at 12:16 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > If I can pull it off (and it will probably take an act of God), I want > to go to the Evolution Meeting at the end of the month (June 23-27) at > SUNY Stony Brook. Apologies to those of you who may see this more than > once ... > > I've *never* been to New York. If there was only *one* thing that you > would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general related (and the > symposium that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what would you > do? > > Susan > ******************************** And Rebecca wrote: Go fabric shopping in the garment district. I was there in 2002 and just about went insane in all the wonderful, CHEAP, designer fabrics. I can't remember the streets exactly, but within a couple block radius there were so many little hole in the wall shops with great stuff. ********************************** Definitely go to the Met and/or the Cloisters. If you have time, go to the garment district --- it covers any of the 30's-numbered streets, on Broadway, and off Broadway on either side (going east or going west), business hours only, weekdays only. You never know what you'll find, but it's usually real bargain shopping! I'm in Oz now, but lived in NYC for about 20 years. The diamond district is 47th Street -- it's wall-to-wall fine-jewelry shops, not just diamonds -- and when I lived there, the area between the garment district and the diamond district was littered with all sorts of weird little places on the side streets, including camera shops, little artsy places, rooming houses (very slummy), art-supply stores, parking garages and lots, costume jewelry wholesalers and retailers (bulk kind, good bargain-hunting), more fabric shops, tiny bookshops, like that. And crossover shops from the two "districts." If you go shopping there, make sure you take a Manhattan street map with you! And wear COMFORTABLE shoes, or your feet may hate you for days! Actually, wherever you decide to go, wear comfortable shoes -- you're definitely looking at miles and miles of walking, even just inside one museum. You may also find it handy to put a couple of sturdy cloth shopping bags in your backpack (or whatever), preferably with handles long enough to sling the bags up on your shoulder even if they're pretty full. BTW, you do know that SUNY Stony Brook is two to three hours' drive east of Manhattan, right? Probably longer by LIRR. Good luck getting to the meeting, and have fun! Beth S. --- in cold and clear Kambah, as winter officially sets in, in Canberra, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 06:25:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56AP18A020594 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:25:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56AOuRN014933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56AOG9d077881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:24:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56AOBEu041955; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:24:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k56AO7l3041820 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41044 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2006 10:24:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=i3Bd2x4MqUqFMj2+UrKp54Ra4oC0gRu6zcxuCcVsdqgW6Te30Hac9wZxyawIWvzjtaaT4hCIGr7s0+mbYKrMFPy0si0M/5TgjJtc0SCI06+JgFhbVytPGBqwMiZ8vztns3D4BstmQ/OyNltjPZuFxHHCHQEJ7FkeUX+oH+HLC/0= ; Message-ID: <20060606102401.41042.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:24:01 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:24:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:25:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448557F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, Does anyone know a good book on drafting patterns for historical costumes? I mean drafting custom patterns, like tailors do. I've been searching for some such books on amazon.com, but I haven't found anything promising. Since I can't look inside the book, I never know whether it's a "tailor - drafting" book or not. P.S.: I'd welcome periods from the middle ages to the turn of the century (19/20) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 06:37:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Ab2bp024176 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:37:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56Aaw3J020094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56AaQBR079364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56AaMsu049811; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k56AaJnj049714 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 04:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 85122 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2006 10:36:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1y6nc6Mu6otij2wh3hqZyjYzLtnGPTaRvR8vwLdWweIU+cxPBZg3sDwJ4CiRIkmZxOXV/HzBdSLDBtcrKD4Chy4WGi4oQR7R1e82VJiFGfxMTowrb9Uf0ck9VvlqYe8cTHR0zvlx2OI6aPG5DyEMgOwBazhFB8rtphXpZTQA8nk= ; Message-ID: <20060606103614.85120.qmail@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:36:13 PDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 03:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] regency stays: seam construction ideas & details about 1770s stay To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <16a2233a0605310624sd565b8ct9e4a3e21cb6cb6af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:37:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44855ACA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry for writing so late - the link I'm going to give you won't maybe help you much now, but after the mention about spiral lacing this page came into my mind: http://homepage.mac.com/festive_attyre/research/lacing/lacing.html --------------------------------- Feel free to call! Free PC-to-PC calls. Low rates on PC-to-Phone. Get Yahoo! Messenger with Voice _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 08:35:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56CZ7ST015894 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:35:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56CZ2Yb016298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:35:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56CY9VO009298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56CY6dr035051; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56CY2wv034922 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.439.29dc41b (58550) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <439.29dc41b.31b6d030@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:33:52 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 463 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44857676.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/06 2:41:14 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Debbie > > The Asian guy had his stall inside, it was quite near another, run by I > think, a white couple. It is a few years since I have been to have a good look > around the market as I have problems with childcare, as my daughter gets > bored easily, though it's high time I went back though! Yeah, that's the one I thought you meant - apparently it's now run by the two white guys I mentioned. The one run by the couple (brian and margaret) is now also run by their son and daughter in law (I think - might be the other way round), and apparently brian and margaret are retiring soon. > The haberdashery stall is near the right hand side main entrance as you > cross over the road (Vicar Lane?). There is a newspaper kiosk next to it, > and a toy stall nearby. Yeah - that's the one taken over by Sam T. > I have only been on a Thursday (the rail fare is cheaper than > Friday/Saturday!), so the outside market has been a second hand market - I have only > seen a stall with a couple of rolls of furnishing fabric on it. That's odd - rail fairs are more expensive on a Friday, but as far as I know they go back down on Saturday. > > Best Wishes > Jayne > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 08:58:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Cw8le018585 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:58:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56Cw4iV019472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:58:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Cvosc016464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Cvo8w053946; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56CvkiT053778 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4b3.144447d (58435) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <4b3.144447d.31b6d5bf@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:57:35 EDT Subject: Repeating Subject Line WAS Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 463 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44857BDC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/2006 8:35:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: In a message dated 6/6/06 2:41:14 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Debbie > > The Asian guy had his stall inside, it was quite near another, run by I > think, a white couple. It is a few years since I have been to have a good look > around the market as I have problems with childcare, as my daughter gets > bored easily, though it's high time I went back though! Yeah, that's the one I thought you meant - apparently it's now run by the two white guys I mentioned. This is a great example of the plea made by others to please insert a subject line when you are replying to a digest listing. I don't get the digest, so don't have a clue what message the number is referring to. True, it doesn't take THAT long to open a message, see it doesn't refer to my interests, and delete it, but I would rather not open it at all and just delete it un-read. And it doesn't take THAT long to type in a subject line (I did it here.) Thanks, all. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 09:44:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DitaY020802 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56Diotg010106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:44:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Di0Jw024682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DhuAJ095266; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Dhobw095122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:43:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.108.66] ([132.198.108.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DhMuO020024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:43:26 -0400 Message-ID: <4485867B.9090904@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:43:23 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook References: <20060605231056.4bth056askk8wkog@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060605231056.4bth056askk8wkog@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:44:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448586D2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey, I used to work at SUNY Stony Brook! A couple things to consider: check out the LIRR schedule at http://lirr42.mta.info/. There are only a handful of trains from Stony Brook and they take about 1.5-2 hours because of transfers. If someone could give you a ride down to the Ronkonkoma station, the trains leave once an hour during midday and even more frequently during morning rush hour. The train ride is shorter, too--about an hour and fifteen. (Drive to Ronkonkoma from Stony Brook? hmmm--about 15-20 mins if the traffic isn't too bad, so overall it might add up to the same--just depends on how the SB schedule fits your day.) The Cloisters is so tempting, but again, time is the enemy. It's way way uptown. If you are at the Met you've got to get across Central Park, then take the A-train up to 190th, then about a 10 minute walk through Tryon Park. (http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/nyct/maps/submap.htm). So, add at least an hour or two to your day for travel time if you want to head up there. You're also just in time for the newly expanded exhibit space at the Morgan Library (http://www.themorgan.org/exhibitions/default.asp) featuring a "best of" illuminated manuscripts. Yum! If you like Renaissance Vienna you're in luck--the Frick has a Veronese exhibit--http://www.frick.org/exhibitions/current.htm. (I usually go there to pay homage to Holbein's portrait of Thomas More. The Frick is more known for it's furniture/bronzes than for it's painting collections but the Veronese exhibit looks interesting.) Closer to Stony Brook, there's the Carriage Museum (now called the Long Island Museum, http://www.longislandmuseum.org) right in town. They have a wedding gown exhibit going in June. If you like gardens, my favorite is Old Westbury Gardens (http://www.oldwestburygardens.org/), seen in umpteen movies and advertisements--gorgeous look at what the "Gold Coast" used to be all about--about a half hour's drive away. - Hope (who is happy to have moved to Vermont but sometimes really misses NYC!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 09:57:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DvDVe021377 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:57:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56Dv9o4017736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:57:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Durao026182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DuoFo007206; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:56:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Dui0i006917 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SNSpies@aol.com) Received: from SNSpies@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id n.4a3.22bb601 (29679); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:56:23 -0400 (EDT) From: SNSpies@aol.com Message-ID: <4a3.22bb601.31b6e386@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:56:22 EDT To: sca-laurels-request@lists.ansteorra.org, h-costume@indra.com, atlantia@atlantia.sca.org, brighthills@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_4a3.22bb601.31b6e386_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Fw: new Viking Clothing book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448589B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO --part1_4a3.22bb601.31b6e386_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Announcing=20 Viking Clothing=20 Thor Ewing=20 =A317.99 Tempus Publishing Ltd 2006=20 ISBN 0-7524-3587-6=20 Contrary to popular myth the Vikings had a reputation for neatness and thei= r=20 fashions were copied far beyond the realms of Scandinavia. Those who could= =20 afford to displayed a love of fine clothes made from silks, from lightweight= =20 worsteds in subtly woven twills, and from the finest of linens. They wore =20 short hair and their beards were carefully trimmed. =20 This accessible new book is the first to tackle the question of what the=20 Vikings wore, drawing on evidence from art and archaeology, literature and=20 linguistics to arrive at a fresh understanding of the nature of Viking clot= hing,=20 covering rich and poor, men and women across Scandinavia. 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Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know a good book on drafting patterns for historical > costumes? I mean drafting custom patterns, like tailors do. I've been > searching for some such books on amazon.com, but I haven't found > anything promising. Since I can't look inside the book, I never know > whether it's a "tailor - drafting" book or not. P.S.: I'd welcome > periods from the middle ages to the turn of the century (19/20) It would help if you could refine your question a little bit. Do you want information on creating modern-style paper patterns of historic clothing? That would lead to theatrical patterning books like Jean Hunnisett's and modern drafting/flat patterning or draping textbooks, of which there are any number. Do you want information on how people in various historical periods cut clothing? If so, you'll need to specify a period and location. People in different eras went about this process in very different ways, including but not limited to: paper patterns (which you can find all the way back into the late 19th century--check out http://www.vpll.org/ for examples from various decades) created by drafting, flat patterning, or draping drafting systems, some of which relied on specialized tools (especially popular in the 19th century--check out many reprinted books at R.L. Shep http://www.rlshep.com/) measuring and marking directly on the fabric (there are tailor's manuals based on this method from the 16th-18th centuries, but it really helps to know what you're doing before you attempt to use them--see examples at http://www.elizabethancostume.net/schnittbuch/index.html http://www.vertetsable.com/research_freyle.htm http://www.elizabethancostume.net/Tailors/) draping and fitting on the body, postulated by Robin Netherton for the fitted gowns of the 15th century (for a collection of her posts to this list on the topic of the Gothic Fitted Dress, see ftp://netherton.net/FittedDressPosts.txt) geometric sewn construction cut to maximize fabric use and less concerned about a close fit--this is what we think was done for most of the middle ages (it varies by time and location--if you can specify a time and location, someone on this list will be able to recommend a source of information) geometic draped clothing with few to no seams, used by various peoples including the ancient Greeks (sources on this vary depending on what culture and century you're studying). I'm afraid that there's too much information about historic garment cutting for it all to fit in one book. If you can specify a time and a place, someone can probably point you in the right direction. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 14:20:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56IKerM031606 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:20:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56IKaKh003604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:20:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DuuLs026200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:56:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Dut8t007285; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net (eastrmmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56DupEF007120 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:56:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060606135622.VCJP17255.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:56:22 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Viking Clothing Book Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:56:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01c68970$fc0a8c50$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200606052154.57616.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaJE81l2dx8Z4Q6RtCKhTTwEKLcDwAXPTdg X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:20:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4485C774.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Okay, this book will be available on Amazon in August. I would love to hear a report on its usefulness before ordering. Thanks, Anne > (Okay, I >admit it; I ordered it this morning.) :-) Thanks! -- Cathy Raymond -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Farmer" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook References: <20060605231056.4bth056askk8wkog@www.goldsword.com> <4485867B.9090904@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <4485867B.9090904@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mail.indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:58:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4485D037.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Hope Greenberg : > Hey, I used to work at SUNY Stony Brook! A couple things to consider: > check out the LIRR schedule at http://lirr42.mta.info/. There are > only a handful of trains from Stony Brook and they take about 1.5-2 > hours because of transfers. If someone could give you a ride down to > the Ronkonkoma station, the trains leave once an hour during midday > and even more frequently during morning rush hour. The train ride is > shorter, too--about an hour and fifteen. (Drive to Ronkonkoma from > Stony Brook? hmmm--about 15-20 mins if the traffic isn't too bad, so > overall it might add up to the same--just depends on how the SB > schedule fits your day.) Wow! Very useful information. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 15:08:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56J8jV7001327 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:08:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56J8eib015093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56J89TV071472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56J82rB004352; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm12.prodigy.net (ylpvm12-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56J7rZa004156 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.21]) by ylpvm12.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k56J7muk011257 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:07:48 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56J7FJc265892 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:07:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060606105722.0265b4d8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:00:39 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes In-Reply-To: <20060606102401.41042.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4485D2B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Does anyone know a good book on drafting patterns for historical > costumes? I mean drafting custom patterns, like tailors do. I've been > searching for some such books on amazon.com, but I haven't found anything > promising. Since I can't look inside the book, I never know whether it's > a "tailor - drafting" book or not. > P.S.: I'd welcome periods from the middle ages to the turn of the > century (19/20) There is a reprint of a c.1901 one for drafting patterns for women's clothes. If you're interested in that period, I'll go look up the particulars. But if you want to cover more than that one narrow period, you may have to get several books. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 15:44:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56JiFIb003377 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:44:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56JiBJn030456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Jhhbk076276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:43:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56JhQ6X036861; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56I9ZaK048403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fnfzd-0005X0-Gt; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 13:09:29 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <20060606140929.6gq6022pkw0kg88o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 14:09:29 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume , Kahlara Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook References: <20060606171739.62634.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060606171739.62634.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4485DB0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Kahlara : > Another resounding yes for going to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. I > was able to go once - for about half a day - and it wasn't nearly > long enough. I'd love to go back even if that was the only thing I > had time for. > And that seems to be the overwhelming favorite! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 15:59:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Jx0wC004189 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:59:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56JwtI3003563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:58:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56FJ5jS040478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56FItIJ087301; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56FIiXb087081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FndKF-00028J-Um; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:18:35 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: <20060606111835.85pfm8tt8gcwskww@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:18:35 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook References: <20060606041922.59014.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060606041922.59014.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:58:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4485DE7F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting REBECCA BURCH : > Go fabric shopping in the garment district. I was > there in 2002 and just about went insane in all the > wonderful, CHEAP, designer fabrics. I can't remember > the streets exactly, but within a couple block radius > there were so many little hole in the wall shops with > great stuff. Ooh, that sounds like a good idea ... Probably won't have much discretionary $$$ though. :-( Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 16:00:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56K00XO004302 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56JxuIu024175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:59:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Jx1rT079430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Jwo3I051874; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56JwZnq051447 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f3.314051e (40520) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <3f3.314051e.31b73858@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:58:16 EDT Subject: Repeating Subject Line WAS Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:00:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4485DEBC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Apologies for this - it's not me, it's my e-mail. I have no idea why, but despite me changing the subject line in every message I've sent (not just to this list, either), when it's appeared, it's had the title of the digest in it. Clearly a bug, which'll hopeully be sorted out shortly. As I said apologies to all (but for once it's not just me being crap!! :o) ) Debs (PS, in case it comes up with ' r.e h-cost digest, etc etc, I have changed the title to the subject line...AGAIN....) In a message dated 6/6/06 8:22:13 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:57:35 EDT > From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Subject: Repeating Subject Line WAS Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume > Digest, Vol 5, Issue 463 > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <4b3.144447d.31b6d5bf@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 6/6/2006 8:35:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > Debloughcostumes@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/6/06 2:41:14 AM GMT Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >Debbie > > > > The Asian guy had his stall inside, it was quite near another, run by I > >think, a white couple. It is a few years since I have been to have a good > look > >around the market as I have problems with childcare, as my daughter gets > >bored easily, though it's high time I went back though! > > Yeah, that's the one I thought you meant - apparently it's now run by the > two > white guys I mentioned. > > > > > This is a great example of the plea made by others to please insert a > subject line when you are replying to a digest listing. I don't get the > digest, so > don't have a clue what message the number is referring to. True, it > doesn't > take THAT long to open a message, see it doesn't refer to my interests, and > > delete it, but I would rather not open it at all and just delete it > un-read. > And it doesn't take THAT long to type in a subject line (I did it here.) > > Thanks, all. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 16:36:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56Kap4t006772 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:36:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56Kal5u011878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 16:36:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56GKqSL047714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56GKIFC042020; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:20:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56GK9YB041749 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f554c.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.76]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D510A5002E for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:19:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c68985$1c8e2090$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060606102401.41042.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:20:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:36:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4485E75F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Unfortunately i dont think any of such books excists. There only are books with pattern drafts and they are allready construkted. Its rather funny because most of us here ( i think) are happyer with draping on dress stands, than construkting paper patterns. But there are many books with costume pattern drafts, Norah Waugh "The cut of womens clothes 1600 - 1930 and the cut of mens clothes two. Then there is Corsets and Crinolines. Jean Hunniset has made some nice pattern books two, and Janet Arnold off cause........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zuzana Kraemerova" To: "h-costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes > Hi all, > > Does anyone know a good book on drafting patterns for historical > costumes? I mean drafting custom patterns, like tailors do. I've been > searching for some such books on amazon.com, but I haven't found anything > promising. Since I can't look inside the book, I never know whether it's a > "tailor - drafting" book or not. > P.S.: I'd welcome periods from the middle ages to the turn of the century > (19/20) > > Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO Incidentally, the author is on the Mediev-L discussion list, so may be available for direct questions, if it comes to that. MaggiRos --- Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Monday 05 June 2006 3:55 am, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > From another site I use. 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Status: RO Another resounding yes for going to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. I was able to go once - for about half a day - and it wasn't nearly long enough. I'd love to go back even if that was the only thing I had time for. Annette M Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:16:46 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook And for another subject .... If I can pull it off (and it will probably take an act of God), I want to go to the Evolution Meeting at the end of the month (June 23-27) at SUNY Stony Brook. Apologies to those of you who may see this more than once ... I've *never* been to New York. If there was only *one* thing that you would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general related (and the symposium that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what would you do? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:31:12 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <00ca01c68911$4954a050$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Metropolitan Museum of Art. And, since the Cloisters are part of it, it's not really cheating on the *one*-thing rule to tell you to go there too :-) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 22:36:07 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook Quoting Audrey Bergeron-Morin : > Metropolitan Museum of Art. And, since the Cloisters are part of it, > it's not really cheating on the *one*-thing rule to tell you to go > there too :-) *giggle* That was something that I was seriously thinking about. I hate to go That Far to a place where so much cool stuff is, and *not* do something! Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:45:49 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook Go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Finish the Symposium and take the Long Island Rail Road from Stony Brook Station to NY Penn Station (That train is going WEST) Get off Take a taxi to the Met. The subways and busses go up there , but unless you know where you are going, it is worth the extra money for the taxi. ONE THING: I took students up there once and they did not one allow her to bring in her rolling suitcase into the building. (Post 9/11 security) If you have a hotel room, or can send it ahead, you will be much better off. I carry shopping bags and open totes in all the time . There is a coat and bag check that is free. There are unbelievable amounts of stuff to see. There is also a new exhibition about English fashion. Of course there is the Arms and Armor exhibit. and the Western European paintings, and the Medieval section that goes on for days.... If I was not in Pennsylvania for Grad school that week, I'd volunteer to play guide, since I live on Long Island. You do yourself a dis-service if you don't see the Met, but then there is the JP Morgan Library on Madison Ave, with its huge collection of illuminated manuscripts (look, do not touch, The Frick collection with its FAB paintings.... well you know. Probably way too much to see. There is also a new exhibit on tailoring at the museum at FIT on 7th Ave and 28th St. Free. And you can walk from Penn Station. One thing... if you DO make it to the Met, watch the prices on books. I have gotten huge discounts through Amazon on the same books. (I am sure there is a built-in "donation" for the museum in their prices.) Have a great time, Susan!!! Monica ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 23:10:56 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <20060605231056.4bth056askk8wkog@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Quoting monica spence : > Go to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Finish the Symposium and take the Long > Island Rail Road from Stony Brook Station to NY Penn Station (That train is > going WEST) Get off Take a taxi to the Met. The subways and busses go up > there , but unless you know where you are going, it is worth the extra money > for the taxi. Thanks! Just the sort of information that I need. Sounds like I want to take a whole day for the Met. > If I was not in Pennsylvania for Grad school that week, > I'd volunteer to play guide, since I live on Long Island. Well bummer! That would just be too cool. Good luck with school! I've to to finish the rest of my results and hope to present a poster if I can pull this off! > > You do yourself a dis-service if you don't see the Met, but then there is > the JP Morgan Library on Madison Ave, with its huge collection of > illuminated manuscripts (look, do not touch, The Frick collection with its > FAB paintings.... well you know. Probably way too much to see. There is also > a new exhibit on tailoring at the museum at FIT on 7th Ave and 28th St. > Free. And you can walk from Penn Station. I know that there's *scads* of stuff there. I was leaning toward the Met/Cloisters. > > One thing... if you DO make it to the Met, watch the prices on books. I'll keep that in mind. Very seldom are books *only* available at a museum shop. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 18:12:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56MCdWZ014109 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:12:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k56MCZWa010153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 18:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56HNbZZ056770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56HMitf001524; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k56HLj4v000378 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so1816556pye for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:21:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Mz5wHyYSm0M0kC7sCobZg34p9rPZtiocr2A5XRH1E9nnIM9IuwTlYUR6KbjEpbBbKw7R0jefa7PvYgRxm4ZXo3Oj5VLdLswKUeUEvYyAdm76bUcr42jSN74YyA59IV6J1evogNhTAbtqIyih9M5zZDcPCywDPvQZK9k41/B9Oqo= Received: by 10.35.109.2 with SMTP id l2mr695368pym; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:14:21 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Subject: [h-cost] OT: meeting at SUNY Stony Brook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:12:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4485FDD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I've *never* been to New York. If there was only *one* thing that you > would do while in NY -- fiber/garb/SCA general related (and the > symposium > that I need to attend is Saturday Morning), what would you do? > > Susan One thing is too hard... here's my short Manhattan list: The costume collections at the MET & whatever's on show at FIT (Fashion Inst). The fashion bookstore just down the block from FIT. The bookstore at the MET, but dont do this til you're heading back to the hotel. Books are heavy. Power shop 42nd St where all the (formerly huge but now a ghost of its old self) garment district fabric stores have, by and large, relocated. I had you down for Victorian, but you say you're SCA. Yup, go to the Cloisters for the stuff, but there's not much fabric there. It can be a disappointment if you've ever been to a real cloisters or medaeval castle. If you're arriving Fri afternoon/nite, visit Half-price Tickets at Times Square and see a costume-heavy show! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 6 21:13:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k571Cuck021172 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:13:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k571CpPQ030570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 21:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k571CN83029056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k571CDrw030651; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:12:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k571C6io030361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k57340pp003026 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:04:00 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Viking Clothing Book Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:23:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <003f01c68970$fc0a8c50$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <003f01c68970$fc0a8c50$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606062023.24207.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:12:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44862813.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 06 June 2006 9:56 am, you wrote: > Okay, this book will be available on Amazon in August. I would love to > hear a report on its usefulness before ordering. Actually, Amazon's predictions of when they'll get something have often been wrong, but I'll be happy to give everyone the lowdown after I read it. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 01:06:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5756Jm6032511 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:06:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5756EGi016975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 01:06:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5755cQi062818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5755YOP034099; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5755V4L034067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:05:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.124.165] (209-148-124-165.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k56HlP0w009282 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:26 -0700 Message-ID: <4485BFB5.8050704@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:47:33 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes References: <20060606102401.41042.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060606102401.41042.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 01:06:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44865EC6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm assuming you mean books of patterns that you enlarge to the wearer's size, rather than buyng a paper pattern in an envelope. So far we've published one for the late 1860s, two for the late 1870s and early 1880s, and two for 1900-1909. Details are on our website, http://www.lavoltapress.com. Otherwise the major players are: R. L. Shep, http://www.rlshep.com/ Robb's line focuses on patterns for men's clothing and tailored women's clothing (as opposed to dressmaker styles, though of course there is overlap). For authors, Janet Arnold wrote pattern three books covering the Renaissance into the early 20th century. Norah Waugh wrote two survey-across-the-centuries books, one for men and one for women, also one focusing on corsets and hoopskirts. Jean Hunnisett wrote five books; three are survey books of dresses and undergarments covering the Middle Ages into the early 20th century, and two books on outerwear. You can find them on Amazon etc. There are some more drafting books more strongly oriented toward theatrical-looking costumes, and a number of museum catalogs containing a draft or two of an original garment, but the above list should certainly get you started. Someone mentioned patterning "systems." This is a confusing term, because "system" was a hot marketing buzzword to include in titles of contemporary books of patterns during the 19th and early 20th centuries. It referred to absolutely everything from patent systems requiring special slopers (which they called "charts") or apportioning scales (we provide those in some of our books), to methods for pattern drafting with a pencil and an L-square (Robb Shep has published many of those). Fran Lavolta Press Books on Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know a good book on drafting patterns for historical costumes? I mean drafting custom patterns, like tailors do. I've been searching for some such books on amazon.com, but I haven't found anything promising. Since I can't look inside the book, I never know whether it's a "tailor - drafting" book or not. > P.S.: I'd welcome periods from the middle ages to the turn of the century (19/20) > > Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 08:05:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57C5oj2019190 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:05:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57C5jD6021951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57C56Kc020001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57C4tlK084687; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k572tgiV022148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k574lbbC005658 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 00:47:38 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Viking Clothing Book Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:07:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060606165007.43762.qmail@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060606165007.43762.qmail@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606062207.01465.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:05:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4486C119.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 06 June 2006 12:50 pm, MaggiRos wrote: > Incidentally, the author is on the Mediev-L discussion > list, so may be available for direct questions, if it > comes to that. That's worth knowing; thanks! -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 09:18:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57DIJpW022598 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:18:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57DIEx9012080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:18:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57DCZRc046557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57DCU6k048390; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:12:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57DCP6u048292; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d205.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.206]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k57DCOkD043341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:10:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4486981C.28433.D3C1908@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200606060419.k564JYdB095808@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] not a recent book? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4486D217.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robin, dear lady, such a laugh you've just given me! On a list that routinely discusses 500 year old documents, (and even older!) you're saying 2002 isn't recent? Maria Robin said: Not a recent book, but new to me: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 11:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57FlK44000808 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:47:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57FlGl4019208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:47:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57FjTnt070658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57FijP5009655; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57FiXFx009233 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:44:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09185 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:20:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:20:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] not a recent book? 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Status: RO On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey wrote: > > Robin, dear lady, such a laugh you've just given me! On a list that > routinely discusses 500 year old documents, (and even older!) you're > saying 2002 isn't recent? Heh. I had my journalist hat on for that one. When I worked on a daily newspaper, anything more than a week old was ancient. This one is too old for us to review in the next Medieval Clothing & Textiles journal, in any case! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 12:01:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57G1EYg001421 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57G195u019216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57Fx8PK072539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57FwdQm022804; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k57FwJfq022333 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 71692 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 15:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.196 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 15:58:12 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:56:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:01:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4486F845.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks (please excuse a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR Museum on the Friday morning 23rd. We would like to meet anyone who can make it for dinner/supper/evening meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, around 6.00-6.30. This is so my husband - more into sport than costume - can disappear to the room and watch TV if he gets bored. We would love to treat you all, but unfortunately it will have to be Dutch treat - sorry. Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 12:53:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57GqtdN003688 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:53:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57GqpYN010888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:52:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57GmZNB079120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57GKNXa044749; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:20:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57GAoVZ035101 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:11:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hbBNeIbiV/qIUzE8Tzzls2Jb3XxKRULP/Ogp0q7vqaeiM0oIEs4cKvLApyf1a7rv; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.124.131] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fo0cL-0008UO-Js for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:10:49 -0400 Message-ID: <005b01c68a4c$f952d260$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:11:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4837ae7439c590f2f6b75cbe1568140081d81f49743ecfecf5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.124.131 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:52:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44870463.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks (please excuse > a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR Museum on the Friday > morning 23rd. > > We would like to meet anyone who can make it for dinner/supper/evening > meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, around 6.00-6.30. This is so my > husband - more into sport than costume - can disappear to the room and > watch TV if he gets bored. We would love to treat you all, but > unfortunately it will have to be Dutch treat - sorry. > > Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. > > Suzi I wish I could make it, Suzi, as I'd love to meet you, but I'm on the other side of the country in the other Washington---state. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 14:50:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57IogKb009179 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57Iob5E019313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:50:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57Io9Wu096214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57In0Pk087170; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57ImVm2086596 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k57ImaEq014462 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:48:37 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.43.80] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-43-80.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.43.80]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57ImOHW260436 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:48:26 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060607114802.0262bb30@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:48:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:50:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44871FFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks (please excuse >a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR Museum on the Friday >morning 23rd. > >We would like to meet anyone who can make it for dinner/supper/evening >meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, around 6.00-6.30. This is so my >husband - more into sport than costume - can disappear to the room and >watch TV if he gets bored. We would love to treat you all, but >unfortunately it will have to be Dutch treat - sorry. > >Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. I could have made it a couple of weeks ago, but I'm back home now. Sorry 'bout that. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 15:45:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57JjpbW011804 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:45:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57JjlwX022741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:45:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57JjGVJ004822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57Jj51f044706; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57Jixi2044414 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from f0s2v3 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id ACAC0354; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:44:44 -0400 Received: from 206.15.139.116 ([206.15.139.116] helo=f0s2v3) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Jun 2006 15:44:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c68a20$e397c9c0$748b0fce@f0s2v3> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 03:55:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:45:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44872CEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hope you find more at the DAR museum than I did last week! The current exhibit on 19thC etcetera was somewhat interesting but was unable to see any of the costume collection. A Bummer... Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC > > O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks (please > excuse a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR Museum > on the Friday morning 23rd. > > We would like to meet anyone who can make it for > dinner/supper/evening meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, > around 6.00-6.30. This is so my husband - more into sport than > costume - can disappear to the room and watch TV if he gets bored. We > would love to treat you all, but unfortunately it will have to be > Dutch treat - sorry. > > Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. > > Suzi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 16:02:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K2KLp012652 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:02:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57K2Gg9006674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:02:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K1mZr007894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:01:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K1hNd063261; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web38412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web38412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.125.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k57K1aoj062995 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:01:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94562 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2006 20:01:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FeSKmUxr/gwJYi1AvPNjtBCmn1IjaSP2r0ymf0uS52BPWsK2Ydu4LQimP62bfP0z4jyDKPwpbs4X/E7cnubGUYbK5J3gh4iQlY9cj01hEYmjdgiXn0JtOx8njlIr+gwW7pgM2UnC8lWazBipOh05DmQsAXuD3eaPVAdV20wC9oU= ; Message-ID: <20060607200130.94560.qmail@web38412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.54.92.50] by web38412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:01:30 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Patterning book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:02:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448730C8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The best book for drafting both historical and modern patterns is Rosmary Ingraham's Costume Technician's Handbook. She walks you through how to do a sloper and how to alter it into whatever form you want. You can also try a Flat Patterning book once you've mastered Rosemary's book - I use it all the time!!! Sarah Nucci __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 16:06:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K6F0B012861 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:06:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57K6BPJ008449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:06:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K5kcT008809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K5edF067850; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k57H2GeT082858 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 72655 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 16:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.142.33.196 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 16:55:20 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060607175255.01dea978@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 17:53:19 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC In-Reply-To: <005b01c68a4c$f952d260$0300a8c0@boris> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> <005b01c68a4c$f952d260$0300a8c0@boris> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:06:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448731B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 17:11 07/06/2006, you wrote: >>O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks (please >>excuse a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR Museum >>on the Friday morning 23rd. >> >>We would like to meet anyone who can make it for >>dinner/supper/evening meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, >>around 6.00-6.30. This is so my husband - more into sport than >>costume - can disappear to the room and watch TV if he gets bored. >>We would love to treat you all, but unfortunately it will have to >>be Dutch treat - sorry. >> >>Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. >> >>Suzi > >I wish I could make it, Suzi, as I'd love to meet you, but I'm on >the other side of the country in the other Washington---state. Pity - another year perhaps. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 16:08:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K8uO0012997 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57K8pcw008630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:08:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K7uox009148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K7ogh070060; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k57HAuSH091565 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 43702 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jun 2006 17:10:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N9q6bDCKXWXDNgdUjpDv3L8k19piNzbJ2tz9F+l6EyMtOsxrmMW3pMa7BLyYz3pjK8KBH7TYhU4EsS2WVhSQVu/DMK0+ZUpdI5vP3iYFHhtbxBr3B9R1eu999hvbiwhrN4NPfiYemaNwyzsVXP+Lj+q+Uk1AuG2byw1jjlN3vtE= ; Message-ID: <20060607171044.43700.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:10:44 PDT Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:10:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4485BFB5.8050704@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:08:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44873254.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've read the books from Janet Arnold or Noran Waugh or others, they are a good help, but not what I'm looking for. The thing that interests me is exactly how to draft the pattern with the help of a certain drafting "system" (I don't know how to call it). You make a net with the help of the measurements and out of it you make the pattern. It is usual that you make a "basic" pattern and then modify it to the pattern you want by for ex. relocating the seams, increasing or decreasing their widths etc. The thing I can never figure out is how much do they add to the waist/bust circumference, how do they make the seams and so on. If you know these "Rundschau" magazines from Germany, then you know what I mean. They sometimes even have a chapter on making historical costumes, and it's not so bad. They use the principe of their drafting system (modern principe), which is for me very understanable, but they modify the pattern so well that it really looks period - right placement of seams and such things. For example today is the shoulder seam right on the top of the shoulder, but in the 19th century (not only) it's mostly drifted a bit towards the back. I've thought if something like this exists in a book form, including not only patterns from the 19th century, but also from the earlier centuries. I know in medieval times they didn't have any of such systems and they fitted the pattern directly on the body, but I'm sure there is a way to make such a pattern on the paper, cut it out, sew it and then try how it fits. I know a corset-formed body would have another proportions than a normal body and the pattern for a gown worn over it would have perhaps different rules of construction then we use today. I think some of you got it right, many thanks for the links lavoltapress and books by R.L.Shep. I guess these books use drafting systems which were used in the period they're on. Better for me would be books using modern drafting systems, but the construction as period as possible. Please tell me if I can find something like that in the books (or links, if you want:-)) mentioned, and if someone knows a books concerning earlier centuries than 19th, let me know:-)) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 16:09:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K9i8n013039 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:09:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57K9eNB010046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K8cm5009283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57K8ZfN070862; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imr-m03.mx.aol.com (imr-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57HInPX098647 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mail.aol.com [172.18.157.194]) by imr-m03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-7448706ed378; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:03:41 -0400 Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.316.5fdce7f (32913) for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:48:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <316.5fdce7f.31b85d4d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:48:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 172.18.157.194 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:09:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44873284.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/6/2006 11:13:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: So far we've published one for the late 1860s, two for the late 1870s and early 1880s, and two for 1900-1909. Details are on our website, _http://www.lavoltapress.com_ (http://www.lavoltapress.com) . I just wanted to put in a plug for the Lavolta Press pattern books of the late '70s. We used them last spring in our construction of "A Doll's House" at the College of Santa Fe (1879). Although I prefer draping to flat patterning, I found them extremely useful in the placement of seams and arrangement of back draperies. This is a period (between bustles) that can be difficult to find, as many books just skip right over it. It was also a new period for me to work in, which was exciting. Also, the R. L. Shep book from about the same period includes an extensive section at the back on proper etiquette in the wearing of women's garments from the period. (the binding fell apart almost immediately and I will have to have it rebound). Overall, I have found that the books from both of these small publishers to be extremely helpful. Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 16:19:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57KJ7Yk013404 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:19:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57KJ222011749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:19:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57KICQo010894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:18:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57KI6MP080769; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:18:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from staff.washjeff.edu (staff.washjeff.edu [209.131.83.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57KI03u080516 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:18:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: from f0s2v3 [209.131.83.40] by staff.washjeff.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.21) id A46D0380; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:17:49 -0400 Received: from 206.15.138.249 ([206.15.138.249] helo=f0s2v3) by ASSP-nospam; 7 Jun 2006 16:17:48 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c68a25$826c5a80$748b0fce@f0s2v3> From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" References: <316.5fdce7f.31b85d4d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 04:28:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448734B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ditto, on both of these for the very comments you ahave made. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes > > In a message dated 6/6/2006 11:13:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > So far we've published one for the late 1860s, two for the late 1870s > and early 1880s, and two for 1900-1909. Details are on our website, > _http://www.lavoltapress.com_ (http://www.lavoltapress.com) . > > > > > > I just wanted to put in a plug for the Lavolta Press pattern books of the > late '70s. We used them last spring in our construction of "A Doll's House" > at the College of Santa Fe (1879). Although I prefer draping to flat > patterning, I found them extremely useful in the placement of seams and arrangement > of back draperies. This is a period (between bustles) that can be difficult > to find, as many books just skip right over it. It was also a new period for > me to work in, which was exciting. Also, the R. L. Shep book from about the > same period includes an extensive section at the back on proper etiquette in > the wearing of women's garments from the period. (the binding fell apart > almost immediately and I will have to have it rebound). Overall, I have found > that the books from both of these small publishers to be extremely helpful. > > Cheryl Odom > College of Santa Fe > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 18:04:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57M4CXc019890 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:04:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57M48aD021600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 18:04:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57LwGP1027119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57Lw9Ij085640; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57Lw5A9085533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.121.11] (209-148-121-11.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k57Lw2nW001219; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:58:03 -0700 Message-ID: <44874BEB.20303@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:58:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zkraemerova@yahoo.com, h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Drafting systems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 18:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44874D58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I confess that I'm not familiar with "Rundschau"--is it old enough to have any actual period patterns? A few magazines have existed continuously since some time in the 19th century. It sounds like you might be referring to what is called "flat pattern work" in the US. A basic pattern called a "sloper" or a "body block" is made in either the individual's exact size, or for the commercial garment and pattern industries, some standard modern size. Then this sloper is modified to the style being designed. Rosemary Ingham and Liz Covey co-authored a book on designing stage costumes this way, called _The Costumer's Handbook_, though I think the most recent edition is called _The Costume Technician's Handbook_. That might be what you are looking for. As for period systems, historically it's a complicated development. There have been pattern-making systems since, roughly, 1800. There was a convergence of needs and discoveries that fostered their development: The growth of the industrial ready-to-wear industry (which predates the sewing machine), the discovery that mathematics (Science!) could substitute for having someone's body there to fit on, the spread of tools such as tape measures and French curves to professional and amateur garment makers, and an increase in literacy. Then more in the middle of the 19th century, there was: The invention and popularization of the sewing machine, discoveries in paper making that led to cheaper publications and many more of them (including books on garment making and fashion magazines), and the growth of the paper pattern industry, which together with the sewing machine increased the number of amateur dressmakers. Through much of the century (though this situation bettered as time went on) dressmaking was one of a quite limited number of ways a middle-class woman could earn money if she had to. The growth of the paper pattern industry and the ready-to-wear industry were also influences on the development of pattern systems, because they needed ways to get patterns or clothes that fit a large number of unseen customers. Such an increase in markets and ways to reach them, meant that dozens and dozens of pattern-making systems were developed during the 19th and early 20th-centuries. These fall into several basic types. One was the "chart," a cardboard or wooden sloper with perforations, or some arrangement, to produce a number of different standard sizes. The dressmaker then developed the pattern from the sloper. A variant was a metal sloper with screws that enabled the user to move the parts around to get different sizes. The McDowell Garment Drafting Machine was one, and so popular that these days there is practically always at least one for sale on eBay. Then there were apportioning scales, which were a set of rulers that did not have standard units, but units specific to that system. The smaller sizes used smaller units and the larger sizes used larger units. The scales have to be used together with books or magazines containing patterns for that system. (There were numerous apportioning scale systems and although the basic idea is the same, the units on the scales are not, and there are differences in procedure among systems.) The patterns have units printed on them. The user picks the scale or scales for their size and enlarges the patterns using the units printed on the pattern, which automatically gives the sizing. That is the type of system we revived for _Fashions of the Gilded Age_, _The Voice of Fashion_, and _The Edwardian Modiste_. Then there were drafting systems based on the wearer's measurements. Usually no unique tools are required, although the publishers often made a feature of selling some kind of tool with the system. It was often a fancy French curve that could be used to draw at least two kinds of curves (the Dritz hip/armhole curve is a modern descendant). However, L-squares were also popular; and not infrequently, they also sold ordinary measuring tapes, notebooks to write down measurements, and even pencils. However, modern tools work just fine for these systems. Robb Shep has reprinted quite a number of books that use them. There are things that differ from system to system. One is the writer's assumptions of standard proportions--everybody gives a different measurement chart, though getting sizes other than the "average" one given is up to the user. Another thing that differs is procedures, such as what lines are drawn in what order. So you can certainly find 19th- and early 20th-century books that use drafting systems. One of Robb Shep's reprints by Edward Giles, _The Art of Cutting and History of English Costume_, evaluates some of the systems from a late Victorian perspective, and gives examples. Giles was quite knowledgeable and objective for his time. But they are not all the same and they are not all like modern systems. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com The thing that interests me is exactly how to draft the pattern with the help of a certain drafting "system" (I don't know how to call it). You make a net with the help of the measurements and out of it you make the pattern. It is usual that you make a "basic" pattern and then modify it to the pattern you want by for ex. relocating the seams, increasing or decreasing their widths etc. The thing I can never figure out is how much do they add to the waist/bust circumference, how do they make the seams and so on. If you know these "Rundschau" magazines from Germany, then you know what I mean. They sometimes even have a chapter on making historical costumes, and it's not so bad. They use the principle of their drafting system (modern principle), which is for me very understandable, but they modify the pattern so well that it really looks period - right placement of seams and such things. For example today is the shoulder seam right on the top of the shoulder, but in the 19th century (not only) it's mostly drifted a bit towards the back. I've thought if something like this exists in a book form, including not only patterns from the 19th century, but also from the earlier centuries. I Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 19:06:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57N6rVC022805 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:06:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k57N6mKx029889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57N63tc041967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57N60fp056947; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep03.xtra.co.nz (fep03.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k57N5u7Y056679 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.172.131]) by fep03.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060607230541.ZSNQ9802.fep03.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:05:41 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.3/358]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:05:47 +1200 Message-ID: <005301c68a86$e9ad5760$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060607171044.43700.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:05:46 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:06:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44875C09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO << I've read the books from Janet Arnold or Noran Waugh or others, they are a good help, but not what I'm looking for. The thing that interests me is exactly how to draft the pattern with the help of a certain drafting "system" (I don't know how to call it). You make a net with the help of the measurements and out of it you make the pattern. It is usual that you make a "basic" pattern and then modify it to the pattern you want by for ex. relocating the seams, increasing or decreasing their widths etc. >> It sounds like you want to get into flat pattern drafting rather than draping or copying a previous pattern. I found several in a large library here, most were from the 1960s and they took you through what measurements to take and how to create a basic body block (usually with darts) that can be altered to have seams or darts where you want. I don't know the titles, but they are under dress making, patterning in the Dewey Decimal system: 646.4 Locally these turn up: Dressmaking Pattern Design Ann Ladbury's Guide To Simple Pattern Cutting Ladbury, Ann. London : B.T. Batsford, 1986. 120 p. : ill. ; 26 cm. The Art Of Pattern Drafting. Stringer, Pamela C. Auckland : Ramlex Services Ltd., 1988. 182 p. : ill. ; 30 cm. Creating Fashion Foster, Betty London : Thames : Macdonald, 1983 160p. : ill. ; 27cm Customize Your Sewing Patterns For A Perfect Fit Morris, Mary, 1940- New York, N.Y. : Lark Books, c2001. 144 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 26 cm. The Cutters' Practical Guide To The Cutting And Making All Kinds Of Trousers, Breeches & Knickers : To Which Is Added Chapters Dealing With The Cutting And Making Of Highland Kilts, Leggings, Gaiters, Etc. Vincent, W. D. F. (William D. F.), 1860-1926. London : John Williamson, [19--?] 1 v. (various pagings) : ill. ; 28 cm. The Cutters' Practical Guide To The Cutting And Making Of All Kinds Of Overcoats : Civilain, Military, Naval, Livery &c. Vincent, W. D. F. (William D. F.), 1860-1926. London : J. Williamson Co., [19--?] 1 v. (various pagings) : ill. ; 28 cm. The Cutters' Practical Guide To The Cutting And Making Of All Kinds Of Trousers, Breeches & Knickers, To Which Is Added Chapters Dealing With The Cutting And Making Of Highland Kilts, Leggings, Gaiters, &c. Vincent, W. D. F. (William D. F.), 1860-1926. London : J. Williamson Co., [19--?] 104 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. Designing Patterns : A Fresh Approach To Pattern Cutting Campbell, Hilary Melbourne : Australasian Educa Press, 1985 123p. : ill. ; 32cm Dress Pattern Designing : The Basic Principles Of Cut And Fit Bray, Natalie London : Granada, 1981 132p. : ill. ; 28cm Dress Pattern Designing : The Basic Principles Of Cut And Fit Bray, Natalie London : Collins, 1986 176p. : ill. ; 29cm Every Sewer's Guide To The Perfect Fit : Customizing Your Patterns For A Sensational Look Morris, Mary, 1940- Asheville, NC : Lark Books, c1997. 144 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 26 cm. Fashion Design On The Stand Cloake, Dawn. London : Batsford, 1996. 96 p. : col. ill. ; 30 cm. These do not however create an historical shape, especially pre-hourglass shapes of the 19thC where you have a body form so markedly different from the modern. I would recommend them though as a starting point to creating your own patterns because they do guide you through measuring and many basic techniques of construction, and you could then use that understanding to cretae flat patterns for fitting over various historical forms. The other option is to get out Period Costume for Stage and Screen by Jean Hunnisett. It's probably the closest to what you want. Michaela de Bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 7/06/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 7 23:27:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k583R4ST002471 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:27:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k583Qw2I002977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:27:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k583QLto086285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k583QF86091810; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k583QBaF091763 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A78751570448; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:20:39 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:26:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c68aab$49f48480$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <005301c68a86$e9ad5760$0301010a@michaela> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k583QBaF091763 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:27:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44879902.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sounds like what I did in college. We started with a basic form fitting pattern, then cut, spread, added, etc. to get the final pattern we wanted. Does this sound like what you're looking for? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes << I've read the books from Janet Arnold or Noran Waugh or others, they are a good help, but not what I'm looking for. The thing that interests me is exactly how to draft the pattern with the help of a certain drafting "system" (I don't know how to call it). You make a net with the help of the measurements and out of it you make the pattern. It is usual that you make a "basic" pattern and then modify it to the pattern you want by for ex. relocating the seams, increasing or decreasing their widths etc. >> It sounds like you want to get into flat pattern drafting rather than draping or copying a previous pattern. I found several in a large library here, most were from the 1960s and they took you through what measurements to take and how to create a basic body block (usually with darts) that can be altered to have seams or darts where you want. I don't know the titles, but they are under dress making, patterning in the Dewey Decimal system: 646.4 Locally these turn up: Dressmaking Pattern Design Ann Ladbury's Guide To Simple Pattern Cutting Ladbury, Ann. London : B.T. Batsford, 1986. 120 p. : ill. ; 26 cm. The Art Of Pattern Drafting. Stringer, Pamela C. Auckland : Ramlex Services Ltd., 1988. 182 p. : ill. ; 30 cm. Creating Fashion Foster, Betty London : Thames : Macdonald, 1983 160p. : ill. ; 27cm Customize Your Sewing Patterns For A Perfect Fit Morris, Mary, 1940- New York, N.Y. : Lark Books, c2001. 144 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 26 cm. The Cutters' Practical Guide To The Cutting And Making All Kinds Of Trousers, Breeches & Knickers : To Which Is Added Chapters Dealing With The Cutting And Making Of Highland Kilts, Leggings, Gaiters, Etc. Vincent, W. D. F. (William D. F.), 1860-1926. London : John Williamson, [19--?] 1 v. (various pagings) : ill. ; 28 cm. The Cutters' Practical Guide To The Cutting And Making Of All Kinds Of Overcoats : Civilain, Military, Naval, Livery &c. Vincent, W. D. F. (William D. F.), 1860-1926. London : J. Williamson Co., [19--?] 1 v. (various pagings) : ill. ; 28 cm. The Cutters' Practical Guide To The Cutting And Making Of All Kinds Of Trousers, Breeches & Knickers, To Which Is Added Chapters Dealing With The Cutting And Making Of Highland Kilts, Leggings, Gaiters, &c. Vincent, W. D. F. (William D. F.), 1860-1926. London : J. Williamson Co., [19--?] 104 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. Designing Patterns : A Fresh Approach To Pattern Cutting Campbell, Hilary Melbourne : Australasian Educa Press, 1985 123p. : ill. ; 32cm Dress Pattern Designing : The Basic Principles Of Cut And Fit Bray, Natalie London : Granada, 1981 132p. : ill. ; 28cm Dress Pattern Designing : The Basic Principles Of Cut And Fit Bray, Natalie London : Collins, 1986 176p. : ill. ; 29cm Every Sewer's Guide To The Perfect Fit : Customizing Your Patterns For A Sensational Look Morris, Mary, 1940- Asheville, NC : Lark Books, c1997. 144 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 26 cm. Fashion Design On The Stand Cloake, Dawn. London : Batsford, 1996. 96 p. : col. ill. ; 30 cm. These do not however create an historical shape, especially pre-hourglass shapes of the 19thC where you have a body form so markedly different from the modern. I would recommend them though as a starting point to creating your own patterns because they do guide you through measuring and many basic techniques of construction, and you could then use that understanding to cretae flat patterns for fitting over various historical forms. The other option is to get out Period Costume for Stage and Screen by Jean Hunnisett. It's probably the closest to what you want. Michaela de Bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 7/06/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 11:28:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58FSGQu001043 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:28:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58FSBUO025301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58FRL83001736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58FRA7D028643; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:27:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58FR3rm028470 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.31]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CA8F88A0064 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:26:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003001c68b0f$fb574a50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:26:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1775 outfit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4488420B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, After i had made my sloper, i couldnt waite to get started with draping on it. So i tryed my best to make a cut after a photo of Gustav III's Celadon Suit. Gustav had some suits made in Paris because he was going to visit Catherine the Great and its one of these suits i am trying to make for myself. I have succesfully draped the jacket muslin, and i have made my sleaves after the old construktion methods, sitting high under the sleaves, and with movement of arms without lifting up the suit. It is my hope that i will be finishing this suit before a ball in august with the gustavians. The year of the suit is 1775, where the jacket is even more cut away in the front, the side skirts are reduced in size two and the center back is more narrow. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/li.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 12:28:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GSW85003505 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:28:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58GSR1G022798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:28:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GS1gP011599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GRs0x095604; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GRmq0095433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.122.116] (209-148-122-116.arc15.nas2.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.122.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k58GRgFo006563 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: <44885000.6020606@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:27:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes References: <316.5fdce7f.31b85d4d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <316.5fdce7f.31b85d4d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:28:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4488502B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks. I'm glad someone is using _Fashions of the Gilded Age_ for "A Doll's House. It's one of my favorite plays. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > I just wanted to put in a plug for the Lavolta Press pattern books of the > late '70s. We used them last spring in our construction of "A Doll's House" > at the College of Santa Fe (1879). Although I prefer draping to flat > patterning, I found them extremely useful in the placement of seams and arrangement > of back draperies. This is a period (between bustles) that can be difficult > to find, as many books just skip right over it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 12:51:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58Gpu6k004241 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:51:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58Gpq1d021450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:51:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GpJMS014793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:51:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58Gp8if021094; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f6.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GowNJ020818 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:49:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:49:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003001c68b0f$fb574a50$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1775 outfit Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:49:24 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2006 16:49:26.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[8078B510:01C68B1B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:51:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448855A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Looks Yummy! Even in cotton. Are you going to embroider it? Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] 1775 outfit >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:26:53 +0200 > >Hi, >After i had made my sloper, i couldnt waite to get started with draping on >it. So i tryed my best to make a cut after a photo of Gustav III's Celadon >Suit. Gustav had some suits made in Paris because he was going to visit >Catherine the Great and its one of these suits i am trying to make for >myself. >I have succesfully draped the jacket muslin, and i have made my sleaves >after the old construktion methods, sitting high under the sleaves, and >with movement of arms without lifting up the suit. >It is my hope that i will be finishing this suit before a ball in august >with the gustavians. >The year of the suit is 1775, where the jacket is even more cut away in the >front, the side skirts are reduced in size two and the center back is more >narrow. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/li.htm > >Bjarne > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 14:00:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58HxpXq006178 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:59:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58HwtuK020395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:59:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58Hv3C9026860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:57:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58HucXo093326; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58HuSmI093085 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f551f.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.31]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F0E4D8A0022 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c68b24$e072c7e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1775 outfit Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:56:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:59:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4488655F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Kelly, Thanks, well i am not going to embroider this, as the original is quite simple, but very beautifull with the covered buttons and buttonholes. And i am going to use it in august, so i would not be able to embroider it that quicly. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Grant" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1775 outfit > Looks Yummy! Even in cotton. Are you going to embroider it? > > Kelly > > > > "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced > with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in > advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite > your fears" > Caius Merlyn Britannicus > > > > > >>From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >>Reply-To: Historical Costume >>To: >>Subject: [h-cost] 1775 outfit >>Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:26:53 +0200 >> >>Hi, >>After i had made my sloper, i couldnt waite to get started with draping on >>it. So i tryed my best to make a cut after a photo of Gustav III's Celadon >>Suit. Gustav had some suits made in Paris because he was going to visit >>Catherine the Great and its one of these suits i am trying to make for >>myself. >>I have succesfully draped the jacket muslin, and i have made my sleaves >>after the old construktion methods, sitting high under the sleaves, and >>with movement of arms without lifting up the suit. >>It is my hope that i will be finishing this suit before a ball in august >>with the gustavians. >>The year of the suit is 1775, where the jacket is even more cut away in >>the front, the side skirts are reduced in size two and the center back is >>more narrow. >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/li.htm >> >>Bjarne >> >> >> >> >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 14:06:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58I6meu007103 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:06:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58I6hK6029385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:06:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58HxxcI027529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58HxsFx096527; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58HxmAJ096261 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FernsAndNettles@Cox.net) Received: from oemuserba0f5be ([70.160.25.172]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with SMTP id <20060608175932.WGSX16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@oemuserba0f5be> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:59:32 -0400 Message-ID: <005801c68b25$4ba71610$ac19a046@oemuserba0f5be> From: "Norayn" To: "Historical Costume" References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> <001401c68a20$e397c9c0$748b0fce@f0s2v3> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:59:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Re: O.T. re my visit to Washington DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:06:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44886733.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You may already know this but a good side trip in DC is to the Folger shakespearean Museum ~ http://www.folger.edu/index.cfm Norayn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lloyd Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC > Hope you find more at the DAR museum than I did last week! The current > exhibit on 19thC etcetera was somewhat interesting but was unable to see > any > of the costume collection. A Bummer... > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:56 AM > Subject: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC > > >> >> O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks (please >> excuse a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR Museum >> on the Friday morning 23rd. >> >> We would like to meet anyone who can make it for >> dinner/supper/evening meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, >> around 6.00-6.30. This is so my husband - more into sport than >> costume - can disappear to the room and watch TV if he gets bored. We >> would love to treat you all, but unfortunately it will have to be >> Dutch treat - sorry. >> >> Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. >> >> Suzi >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 14:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58IQeE8008525 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:26:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58IQZJ8029758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 14:26:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58IPx9c032006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58IPpvK023709; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58IPeKX023461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k58IPc8R076104 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:25:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:25:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35255.65.117.156.5.1149791138.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <005801c68b25$4ba71610$ac19a046@oemuserba0f5be> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com><6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> <001401c68a20$e397c9c0$748b0fce@f0s2v3> <005801c68b25$4ba71610$ac19a046@oemuserba0f5be> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:25:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: O.T. re my visit to Washington DC From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44886BDB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Be certain that you take your credentials with you as there are areas that are closed only to scholars in that specific Museum. They have a page on their website about what they require for you to show in order to access the private areas of the museum. One of our glover's guild members was denied access when she walked up to them with out any kind of credentials on her. If you do get in there please email me about anything glove in there!! :) Chiara On Thu, June 8, 2006 12:59 pm, Norayn said: > You may already know this but a good side trip in DC is to the > Folger > shakespearean Museum ~ > > http://www.folger.edu/index.cfm > > Norayn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lloyd Mitchell" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:55 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC > > >> Hope you find more at the DAR museum than I did last week! The >> current >> exhibit on 19thC etcetera was somewhat interesting but was unable >> to see >> any >> of the costume collection. A Bummer... >> Kathleen >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Suzi Clarke" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:56 AM >> Subject: [h-cost] O.T. re my visit to Washington DC >> >> >>> >>> O.K. folks, I will be in Washington in just over two weeks >>> (please >>> excuse a small squee!) and visiting Alden O'Brien at the DAR >>> Museum >>> on the Friday morning 23rd. >>> >>> We would like to meet anyone who can make it for >>> dinner/supper/evening meal at the hotel Harrington that evening, >>> around 6.00-6.30. This is so my husband - more into sport than >>> costume - can disappear to the room and watch TV if he gets >>> bored. We >>> would love to treat you all, but unfortunately it will have to be >>> Dutch treat - sorry. >>> >>> Looking forward to meeting anyone who cares to come. >>> >>> Suzi >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 15:48:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58JmZsd024841 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:48:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58JmUJZ028095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:48:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58JlnF6044820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58Jlg0b007054; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:47:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k58Jlbu3006807 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:47:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: (qmail 86879 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 19:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO solena.btinternet.com) (c.l.clarke@btinternet.com@86.134.39.15 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 19:47:24 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20060608204527.01dec290@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:46:50 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: O.T. re my visit to Washington DC In-Reply-To: <35255.65.117.156.5.1149791138.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <144.56211087.311df514@aol.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20060607165203.01e489e8@127.0.0.1> <001401c68a20$e397c9c0$748b0fce@f0s2v3> <005801c68b25$4ba71610$ac19a046@oemuserba0f5be> <35255.65.117.156.5.1149791138.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:48:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44887F0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:25 08/06/2006, you wrote: >Be certain that you take your credentials with you as there are >areas that are closed only to scholars in that specific Museum. They >have a page on their website about what they require for you to show >in order to access the private areas of the museum. > >One of our glover's guild members was denied access when she walked >up to them with out any kind of credentials on her. > >If you do get in there please email me about anything glove in >there!! :) > >Chiara I actually have an appointment with Alden O'Brien to see some underwear - she has been given my references, so I don't think I need to worry, but thanks for the warning anyway. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 21:17:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591H8fM003154 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:17:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k591H3sd007481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:17:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591GZDe093463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591GTox015641; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:16:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.ttlc.net (mail.ttlc.net [66.94.32.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591GQjr015587 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from DrJksnSgy@ttlc.net) Received: from [206.15.139.88] [206.15.139.88] by mail.ttlc.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id ABE4A973006E; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4488CBDB.6080608@ttlc.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:16:11 -0400 From: Dot + Lee Fisher User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Buttonhole attachment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:17:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4488CC0F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm wondering if anyone out there has any idea when the buttonhole attachment came into existence? I tried to search it out on the web and didn't have any luck (but I'm lousy at web searches). Asked my mother, and her reply was "It came with my machine." Which means it was standard in 1948. I'm curious just when machine made buttonholes came into existence, became standard in ready made, and became common in homemade. Dot Fisher _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 21:23:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591N1fJ003374 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:23:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k591Mv7j011071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591LgK1094142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591LfLb019812; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k591LaiS019743; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: from u3d3u0 (d13.as0.cntn.oh.core.com [216.196.3.14]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k591LZV7063074; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" To: h-costume-request@indra.com, h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:20:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4488948C.6264.14FE7B30@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200606071802.k57I1coK040164@net.indra.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] not a recent book? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:23:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4488CD71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And I had my periodicals librarian hat on. When my patron's first words are "do you have old newspapers?", they might mean yesterday's paper, or they might mean 1793! Maria Robin said: Heh. I had my journalist hat on for that one. When I worked on a daily newspaper, anything more than a week old was ancient. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 23:23:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593N0XC007575 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:23:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k593MuT0018689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:22:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593MX1m013516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593MSij015401; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593MOPc015308 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CK+LO4lJJdGf/ag6luApQJq5owrbn2WkJn1X8gvAzIe14fZaGFe8XplUHcTvcSk1; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.124.131] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FoXZn-0004fh-Lf for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:22:23 -0400 Message-ID: <01b101c68b73$fc651260$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4488CBDB.6080608@ttlc.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttonhole attachment Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:22:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd486a8b9f9be3b2c3dff7db67b5c19f0f3778c914e01878b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.124.131 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:22:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4488E990.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know when they became common, but my treadle machine, a 1909 model that belonged to my great-grandmother the dressmaker, has a buttonhole attachment that was original to the machine. It holds the fabric in a small hoop, which then moves from side to side to make a zig-zag stitch, and around to make the buttonhole like a modern attachment. It is a little bit of trouble to set up, so Grandma used to make single buttonholes by hand as being faster than setting up the attachment. I seem to remember that 4 buttonholes was the number at which she would drag it out. That treadle is an amazing machine; it would sew through a piece of metal if you could find a needle strong enough, and it has attachements to do everything: hemstitching, blind hemming, zig-zag, the buttonholer, and some I can't quite figure out. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 8 23:50:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593oq3K008576 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:50:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k593omdd031169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 23:50:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593oC6n017097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593o1AN036618; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k593nvDq036502 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J0K004TBQN9AF40@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.41] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.111]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:49:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:49:51 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttonhole attachment In-reply-to: <01b101c68b73$fc651260$0300a8c0@boris> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <4488CBDB.6080608@ttlc.net> <01b101c68b73$fc651260$0300a8c0@boris> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 23:50:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4488F018.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a 'modern' 1940's White Rotary machine and when I got it (FREE!), came with 4 bobbins, the instruction book, the parts book, AND a nice velvet lined box of feet! Without going and counting I think I have over 25 different types/ sizes of feet. And this all was FREE! Maybe if you tried to describe the attachment someone might be able to help you. Katheryne who learned how to use a sewing machine and how to make clothes on this ----- Original Message ----- From: Carmen Beaudry > I don't know when they became common, but my treadle machine, a > 1909 model that belonged to my great-grandmother the dressmaker, has a > buttonhole attachment that was original to the machine. It holds the fabric > in a small hoop, which then moves from side to side to make a zig-zag stitch, > and around to make the buttonhole like a modern attachment. It is a > little bit of trouble to set up, so Grandma used to make single buttonholes > by hand as being faster than setting up the attachment. I seem to remember > that 4 buttonholes was the number at which she would drag it out. > > That treadle is an amazing machine; it would sew through a piece > of metal if you could find a needle strong enough, and it has attachements to > do everything: hemstitching, blind hemming, zig-zag, the > buttonholer, and some I can't quite figure out. > > Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 03:34:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k597Y46t011690 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k597XvAT030898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 03:34:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k597VqG4044196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k597VmIV009108; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k597VgQf009033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:19998 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FobT2-0002bb-N1 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 02:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <070f01c68b96$c0a2ae40$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4488CBDB.6080608@ttlc.net> <01b101c68b73$fc651260$0300a8c0@boris> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 02:31:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Identifying Treadle Machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44892465.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of old sewing machines, can anyone suggest some resources that might help me identify what I'm pretty sure is a treadle machine, removed from its cabinet and converted to electricity? It's NOT a Singer or any other brand I'd heard of before, and which I could probably have identified without too much trouble. It's an Edison De Luxe, made in Japan, and I've found absolutely nothing about that specific model on the internet. It looks exactly like something I saw in an 1880s advertisement--the only image of an Edison machine I could find--but it also looks a lot like a Singer that the Singer company themselves dated to 1948 for someone on another list. When I first saw it, my instinct was 1910-1920s, but I'm not really basing that on anything solid--just a feeling. It's a $15 thrift store find, which I got since it looked very easy to convert back to a treadle machine (and I've seen old cabinets sans machine for sale cheap) but it's missing a few minor parts (like the little pole that you stick the spool of thread on) and though I won't be disappointed if it's a lot more recent than I think, I'd like to figure out at least enough about it to be able to order replacements. Also, it's a beauuuutiful machine! I'll quit being lazy and take some pictures if anyone thinks they can help identify it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 08:37:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Cb3J0028824 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Caxax020181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59CZFYC081973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59CZACb045469; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59CZ0o2045315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-53-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.53]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59CYvxt007002; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:34:58 +1000 Message-ID: <003301c68bc1$1e0179c0$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: , Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:34:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with that?" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44896B6B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO taken from SCA-Garb (at) yahoogroups.com (I mentioned this at A&S the other night and as people asked for a copy here it is) Responses to the question at the fabric shop "So what are you making?" (only to be used if those serving you are rude or make it obvious that they are uninterested and only asking because management tells them they have to, or they know you and will understand that you're joking) Posted with permission On Sat Apr 8, 2006 7:25 am ciorstan wrote So far the answers have been one of these: "I'm a compulsive fabric hoarder and this is to add to my collection. Do you have any referrals for a 12-Step Program for fabricaholics?" "I dunno. I'm going to pet it for a while and see if it purrs." "Something. I don't know yet. The fabric voices aren't speaking to me right now." "Not sure yet, but I intend to take this home and roll and shed all over it so my cats know it's MINE." ciorstan Sat Apr 8, 2006 7:40 pm Laurnesa responded: What are you going to do with this? Me (happily) "I'm going to HAVE it!" OR " I'm going to take it home and pet it and play with it and love it and I will call it George" The caveat being that they know me at the one I frequent, as I spent about six months working in the other store that used to be in town, they like me, and they know darn well that it's a costume. Laurensa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 08:46:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Cke2C029185 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:46:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59CkZJL024773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:46:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59CjSI3083572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59CjR6g054478; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59CjOLK054428 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59CjNtf023818 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:45:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "klh" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with that?" 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Status: RO I give the very obvious answer in a deadpan voice and flat stare: "I'm planning on buying it." Talia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 09:45:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Dj7HN031817 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:45:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Dj1JT008846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59DiaQb092600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59DiVup008963; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59DiREB008807 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f9.425b42f (14501) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3f9.425b42f.31bad530@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:44:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... 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Status: RO In a message dated 6/9/2006 8:45:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, khanson@kc.rr.com writes: I give the very obvious answer in a deadpan voice and flat stare: "I'm planning on buying it." Quite frankly, I'm glad if the fabric store employees express an interest. So often they are totally indifferent, if not downright rude. I just give them a simple, "early 19th century dress (or whatever)." And as to the rude an indifferent, right now my nearest fabric store is a JoAnn's, where that is often the case, but I'm kind of stuck if I just need a spool of thread or something. (The not-so-close JoAnn stores are better, I have to admit. And there is a Hancock's that isn't bad.) 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Status: RO Heh ... they no longer ask that question. Now they ask, "So, who which character are you building this costume for?" Can you tell that I have been working hard to educate my fellow fabric lovers who happen to also be employees of the fabric shops I go to? ;) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 10:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EELLE000425 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:14:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59EEHQp021767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:14:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EDvLU096642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:13:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EDttQ036127; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.76]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59EDh7x035904 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3364 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 14:13:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k545CMouc97myOxa6E7jN/2YXnkK/ZiSc7yRw50wnU60gStImH4DAEHrzbPS7JDm56M5Ngg2wt+5Z9iwL9ngzEdg1odl9ZPanbS4ywLV1S1yShlr9DjsAGbTAkbUiGbVg8v6oAho1c+55qWeU0rcbA9m+C/dFX9odunZf2iQ16s= ; Message-ID: <20060609141338.3362.qmail@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:13:38 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] book on drafting h-costumes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001b01c68aab$49f48480$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:14:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44898239.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: Sounds like what I did in college. We started with a basic form fitting pattern, then cut, spread, added, etc. to get the final pattern we wanted. Does this sound like what you're looking for? Sharon Yes, that's it. As I've just been told, it's called flat pattern making in English. It doesn't really have a name in my language, so I didn't think it could have one in English - well, I was wrong:-)) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 10:16:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EGb3Q000513 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:16:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59EGV4g030688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EGHkR096979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EGEEZ038495; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:ma7I/+DQnUjG3/xhN7qiL8U8KQtnOWrE@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EG8uL038389 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:16:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.28] (206-124-5-28.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.28]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k59EBho16266 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:11:43 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3f9.425b42f.31bad530@aol.com> References: <3f9.425b42f.31bad530@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... 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Status: RO As a part-time employee of Jo-anns, I know they tell us to ask customers what they are making but I've never seen any salesperson at my store ask rudely or be rude at all with a customer. I usually don't ask the question unless I'm genuinely interested in what the customer is making, which I often am, unless it's obvious she is into quilting, since I have no interest in that. I see no reason for the customer to act rudely to me when I ask but sometimes they do anyhow. Curt, sarcastic comebacks are not called for in my opinion. Why do salespeople have to be treated as if they are just cogs in the corporate machine (even though I feel that way often)? Sylrog On Jun 9, 2006, at 7:44 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/9/2006 8:45:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > khanson@kc.rr.com writes: > > I give the very obvious answer in a deadpan voice and flat stare: > > "I'm planning on buying it." > > > > > Quite frankly, I'm glad if the fabric store employees express an > interest. > So often they are totally indifferent, if not downright rude. I just > give > them a simple, "early 19th century dress (or whatever)." > > And as to the rude an indifferent, right now my nearest fabric store > is a > JoAnn's, where that is often the case, but I'm kind of stuck if I just > need a > spool of thread or something. (The not-so-close JoAnn stores are > better, I > have to admit. And there is a Hancock's that isn't bad.) > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 10:23:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EN1OU000739 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:23:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59EMur5022969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EMj59097935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EMhCL045188; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:22:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59EMcqH045028 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:22:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60430 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 14:22:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l9svHjnBWlnbyk5xVOukLi+i+JkpFfH6CAleOx6lIeSw6BfgPbXA9Wh0piETXFUb3VwRshHF1pil6awabEcTdtEffqM2/C/2cIw37MSCMpMxGsMw2sEQpaWevUEhaHBd94VZnMQvhHd13ahf2dFLBESbryBbu1+aVtiU+R6G1u4= ; Message-ID: <20060609142230.60428.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:22:30 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterning book To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060607200130.94560.qmail@web38412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44898440.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for that tip - I've seen it on amazon.com before, but I didn't know whether it's what I'm looking for:-)) They don't say much about this book there, could you tell me what periods does it cover? How many different sorts of costumes are there? For men, women or both? Are there accessories - like headdresses etc. as well? How much period are the patterns (seams etc)? Are there patterns for corsets? Sarah Nucci wrote: The best book for drafting both historical and modern patterns is Rosmary Ingraham's Costume Technician's Handbook. She walks you through how to do a sloper and how to alter it into whatever form you want. You can also try a Flat Patterning book once you've mastered Rosemary's book - I use it all the time!!! Sarah Nucci __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with ... > As a part-time employee of Jo-anns, I know they tell us to ask customers > what they are making but I've never seen any salesperson at my store ask > rudely or be rude at all with a customer. I usually don't ask the > question unless I'm genuinely interested in what the customer is making, > which I often am, unless it's obvious she is into quilting, since I have > no interest in that. I see no reason for the customer to act rudely to > me when I ask but sometimes they do anyhow. Curt, sarcastic comebacks are > not called for in my opinion. Why do salespeople have to be treated as > if they are just cogs in the corporate machine (even though I feel that > way often)? > > Sylrog > like I said only use such answers if they are being rude enough to make it blatantly obvious that they are not interested (e.g. instead of standing there and paying attention to you while you answer their question turning away and doing something else or [something I've only encountered once] actually starting a conversation with another employee before you've finished answering) because if they are being rude a bit of a shock might make them aware of their own behaviour and perhaps make them less rude to the next customer. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 10:35:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EZoY8001154 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:35:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59EZjX8028940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:35:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EZQbq002866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EZNuD057659; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EZIkJ057554 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21947 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:10:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:10:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... 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Status: RO On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > As a part-time employee of Jo-anns, I know they tell us to ask > customers what they are making ... I work occasional shifts at Fashion Fabrics Outlet, the best local place for reasonably-priced wool, linen, and silk. So of course we get a lot of re-enactors, theatre costumers, living history interpreters, etc. doing all periods. Given my own background, I find it's pretty easy to spot the historic costumers, particularly if they come in pairs or groups. (It's a small store, so it's easy to overhear conversations as they shop.) In these cases, my usual question at the cutting counter is "So, what period are you doing?" That gets us right past the moment where they wonder how (or whether) to explain to the employee it's for a costume. I do get some pretty funny double-takes from people who haven't been to our shop before, since clearly they're used to fabric stores with employees who know nothing about this subject. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 10:46:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EkXLB001529 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:46:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59EkS12001171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:46:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Ej1oM006603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Ej0tG067234; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59EisoF067169 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:44:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 10635 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 14:55:01 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 07:55:01 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1103.67.174.246.110.1149864404.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <01a101c68bd0$65589380$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <3f9.425b42f.31bad530@aol.com> <01a101c68bd0$65589380$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with ... From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:46:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448989C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I see no reason for the customer to act rudely >> to >> me when I ask but sometimes they do anyhow. Curt, sarcastic comebacks >> are >> not called for in my opinion. Why do salespeople have to be treated >> as >> if they are just cogs in the corporate machine (even though I feel that >> way often)? >> >> Sylrog >> > > like I said only use such answers if they are being rude enough to make it > blatantly obvious that they are not interested (e.g. instead of standing > there and paying attention to you while you answer their question turning > away and doing something else or [something I've only encountered once] > actually starting a conversation with another employee before you've > finished answering) because if they are being rude a bit of a shock might > make them aware of their own behaviour and perhaps make them less rude to > the next customer. Ya know, I keep hoping that things like that will actually work but they usually don't. Being rude to someone does not make them realize that they were rude to you in the first place. I agree with Sylvia that you shouldn't be rude or curt with someone just because you don't like the fabric store that they work in. And if they are being rude, then say "Your service hasn't been very good and I don't feel like telling you what I am going to make." Or if they are just asking because they are told to, you can always just say "a historical outfit" or "anime costume" or the like. If they don't care, they won't ask further. If they are truly interested, they will ask more questions and you can be more specific and enthusiastic. Just my pennies worth, Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 11:05:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59F5wNA004753 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:05:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59F5rwU008366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:05:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59F5bFr015030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59F5Wrx087919; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:eeuhSCgoiDHoPuJdtFNN1XtbD9HjoTxX@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59F5JEW087677 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.28] (206-124-5-28.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.28]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k59F0so21262 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:00:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <10472.65.117.156.5.1149862202.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <003301c68bc1$1e0179c0$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> <10472.65.117.156.5.1149862202.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <124ee8fc77a51bc949fe90fa6e42e30b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with that?" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:05:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44898E51.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I sometimes do ask more specific questions if it's obvious the customer is making a costume, but that's not always easy to tell. And I have found that the people who are most friendly and forthcoming when I ask "What are you making?" are not the historical costumers. They usually just shut up, like I am probably beneath them and haven't a clue what they are doing. Little do they know I have over thirty years experience in theatrical costuming and would like to chat with them about their projects. I do work in what is probably one of the more interesting Jo-Anns in the country. I live in Boulder, CO which is well-known as being so many square miles surrounded by reality. We get all kinds of customers who really do have unusual projects they are buying fabric for---Native American flags for shamanic initiation ceremonies, altars for meditation rooms, Naropa (the Buddhist college here) art projects, costumes and art installations for Burning Man--- so I am genuinely interested when I ask a customer what he/she is making. I've met some very interesting people there, which is the big reason the job, as part time low wage jobs go, is not so bad. Sylrog On Jun 9, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > Heh ... they no longer ask that question. Now they ask, "So, who > which character are you building this costume for?" > > Can you tell that I have been working hard to educate my fellow > fabric lovers who happen to also be employees of the fabric shops I > go to? ;) > > Chiara > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:03:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59G3Km2006495 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:03:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59G3EvT017072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:03:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59G2Z6R032783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59G2QvH046682; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:02:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav13.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59G2JKe046517 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.50.109 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:02:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.50.109] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003301c68bc1$1e0179c0$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135><10472.65.117.156.5.1149862202.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <124ee8fc77a51bc949fe90fa6e42e30b@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with that?" 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k59G3Km2006495 Status: RO And I have found that the people who are most friendly and forthcoming when I ask "What are you making?" are not the historical costumers. They usually just shut up, like I am probably beneath them and haven't a clue what they are doing. Actually, it's that they don't know how to translate words like "houplande" into everyday language or are tired of educating people who think this means the local ren faire. Also, it is an embarrassing question to the fabric junkie who has no idea what she'll make out of it, but just knows it's beautiful and on sale for 50% off. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:25:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GPUkE007163 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:25:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59GPQvP026694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:25:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GOfX2036164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GOdFB069801; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GOHJc069460 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25886 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:24:16 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:24:05 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:25:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4489A0F6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Being allergic to homeec, I passed on my grandmother's hand crank/treadle machine when I had a chance 30+ year's ago. Due to a mild disability, electric machines give me trouble when sewing for dolls. Can you still find any for a reasonable price, or are reproductions being made? Or should I get a Tardis and go back to 1975 and snatch my grandmother's? Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:42:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GgBsk007706 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:42:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Gg7am001115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Gfgwv039095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GfKA1087495; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59Gergh086940 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 27647 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 16:40:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bcDj7TbQOD2K/xFJUtoERqZwgD+JbPzhiHTzkC1WBsGmFQpHIK7A4q9fPp4pBqJlO+4w4K86PUZA5VosXc2LBPYYiHOVs0BejaA94YbIm1uQEbx7WpfQIrkHspBUJoTbR+UoVDp6n6DZoFwEtkAaK9yFpwX4hCAxZzEqrLVjZvU= ; Message-ID: <20060609164043.27645.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:40:43 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with that?" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4489A4DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have no problems telling the clerk that I have no idea what it will be. I am a HUGE fabric junkie. Before I made my current vow not to buy any more fabric until my sewing room is cleaned and organized, if I saw something I really liked I would buy at least 2-3 yards. If it was a good deal, maybe as many as 5. Bolts are not unknown. I learned the hard way that if I didn't get it when I saw it - it would be gone. I justify it to myself by not hoarding - when somebody needs something particular they can ask and I usually have something at least close. So now I can go the the Bethleham Walk every Christmas and see many of the fabrics I donated for costumes. Plus these really cool angel wings I made from some old lace shears and tablecloths. And the Ridvan tent backdrop from the really excellent bolt of tone on tone oriental design. One of these days I'll be have to open a shop just be be able to move in there. --- JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > And I have > found that the people who are most friendly and > forthcoming when I ask > "What are you making?" are not the historical > costumers. They usually > just shut up, like I am probably beneath them and > haven't a clue what > they are doing. > > Actually, it's that they don't know how to translate > words like "houplande" into everyday language or are > tired of educating people who think this means the > local ren faire. Also, it is an embarrassing > question to the fabric junkie who has no idea what > she'll make out of it, but just knows it's beautiful > and on sale for 50% off. > > Janet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:44:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GiFU6007775 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:44:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59GiB2b006933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:44:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Ghx7u039542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GhrK7090425; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:43:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Ghnmi090338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:20486 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fok5Q-0008Ty-QR for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:43:54 -0500 Message-ID: <073e01c68be3$e1c5ee00$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? 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Status: RO As long as you're not looking for something extremely fancy or rare, you can find one for about the price of a low-end modern sewing machine; in local antique stores I've seen working treadle machines for $75-$200. I just didn't have room for the cabinet! eBay tends to have them often as well, though you'd want to find one you can pick up rather than having it shipped, since they can weigh a ton. -E House ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" > Can you still find any for a reasonable price, or are reproductions > being made? Or should I get a Tardis and go back to 1975 and snatch my > grandmother's? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:46:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Gk9c6007827 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:46:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Gk4Je002232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:46:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Gjhcj039858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:45:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GjgrS092377; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EMgsK045184 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:22:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59EMekT022786 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:22:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "klh" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... 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Status: RO Sorry, I should have stated that if someone is really interested in what I'm doing, I'll chat with them, but the reaction I posted is for those employees who don't care and are asking in that bored tone of voice that means they're only doing it because they have to. Talia -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... As a part-time employee of Jo-anns, I know they tell us to ask customers what they are making but I've never seen any salesperson at my store ask rudely or be rude at all with a customer. I usually don't ask the question unless I'm genuinely interested in what the customer is making, which I often am, unless it's obvious she is into quilting, since I have no interest in that. I see no reason for the customer to act rudely to me when I ask but sometimes they do anyhow. Curt, sarcastic comebacks are not called for in my opinion. Why do salespeople have to be treated as if they are just cogs in the corporate machine (even though I feel that way often)? Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:46:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Gkrwd007838 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:46:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Gknhs008558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:46:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GkVGb039991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:46:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GkVq2093303; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59EcCdZ060254 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.102]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060609143806.RGRO21115.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:38:06 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.102]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060609143805.MXJM19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:38:05 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060609092954.02840150@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:37:59 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k59EcCdZ060254 Subject: [h-cost] Greek clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:46:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4489A5F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a bit early for my interests, but I thought that I'd pass it on: The Brauron Clothing Catalogues: Text, Analysis, Glossary and Translation by Liza Cleland Description: Liza Cleland's study of Greek clothing led her inevitably to the Brauron Catalogues-inscriptions of great significance for any study of this kind. This book is made up of her research into the texts, and is intended as a reference text to give 'a foothold in the impenetrable faces' of the Brauron Catalogue. The study provides invaluable insights into the complexity of ancient clothing and its integral aspect of social, cultural, personal and gender expression. 173p (BAR S1428, 2005). ISBN 1841717193. Paperback. £39.00 Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:47:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GlnMY007902 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:47:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Gljdd008030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:47:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GlNi5040205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GlLxm094199; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:47:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web38413.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web38413.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.125.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59FIeQs001206 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51634 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 15:18:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FMvLdXbiXSSXmInmifbTxuqZtyo8NOd1NLmFyNRmFsu8c7S3mTOjpCFbaINdj84QS2AkskeCu7XqIoi5kVWth+fys/BGct078XQypTejGfdAnGTx8i8e77CVdbMs/pR4mnOoQ481w+erdEp9QS3s2FvFWB9PyEgniP3rxmFCGMg= ; Message-ID: <20060609151835.51632.qmail@web38413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.54.92.50] by web38413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:18:35 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:18:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606091423.k59EMm5f045293@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] flat patterning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4489A631.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You can definatly buy it on Amazon - it's not too expensive and worth every penny you will spend on it! I want to say that it has both childrens and adults - but I won't guarantee it, and it definalty has both men and women. It does have some head wear and other items, but I use it most to get me from "my size" to the historical pattern - i.e. I use the pictures in patterns of fashion or period costumes for stage and screen and the techiniques in Costume Technicians Handbook to get there. You'll be amazed by the techniques and how easy it is once you get started - it even tells you how to measure things! Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 12:49:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59GnWqu007947 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:49:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59GnRRe028839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:49:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Gn7YJ040693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Gn7eB096136; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:49:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59GkSHw093101 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 39945 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 16:46:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LLX/OlGkaazV0RqS3/nU5Mr5KAhATCyO5BA+GF4Q2AEZt6xl8H7RJByPcpw4Gnp4JWsUXyfk3tAyNpMsC/gKB5fNeGN3D628Vufez62glzYY7EW9ql4xbKj1cNnv7w9JzFQSxXq3WqHhXLRUl+XWHpRul/ERRCgvRqGdmGw0CbI= ; Message-ID: <20060609164622.39943.qmail@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:46:22 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? 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Status: RO I don't know about your area, but around here I have seen quite a few at yard sales for pretty cheap. $50 was the most expensive that I recall. You might also check with Lehman's Hardware. They are big suppliers to the Amish and Mennonite community and have loads of stuff which does not require electricity. --- "Abel, Cynthia" wrote: > > > Being allergic to homeec, I passed on my > grandmother's hand > crank/treadle machine when I had a chance 30+ year's > ago. Due to a mild > disability, electric machines give me trouble when > sewing for dolls. > > Can you still find any for a reasonable price, or > are reproductions > being made? Or should I get a Tardis and go back to > 1975 and snatch my > grandmother's? > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 13:19:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HJpXk009049 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59HJiBR021270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:19:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HIRLE045864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HIMgJ033515; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HIEun033049 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.15]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J0L00BH0S0D1B10@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:17:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:18:08 -0300 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:18:06 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <002801c68be8$ac4dc810$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0623-4, 06/09/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4489ADB0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Flea markets, Yard sales and auctions. I got my four treadles from auctions for $100.00 CDN each or less. My c. 1920 hand crank was equally inexpensive. They can be found if you look - and all five of those I mentioned still work. Is it the foot pedal that is the trouble? I once found a table set sewing machine on the side of the road on garbarge day that worked by a knee pressed lever (much like the industrial machines have to raise the pressure foot) It was too confusing for my poor old trained mind so I gave it to my sister-in-law to use. She still uses it. I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > > > Being allergic to homeec, I passed on my grandmother's hand > crank/treadle machine when I had a chance 30+ year's ago. Due to a mild > disability, electric machines give me trouble when sewing for dolls. > > Can you still find any for a reasonable price, or are reproductions > being made? Or should I get a Tardis and go back to 1975 and snatch my > grandmother's? > > Cindy Abel > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 13:19:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HJqit009052 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:19:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59HJloP019806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HIaeR045894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HIZ2g034137; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HISfD033783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.102] (209-148-118-102.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k59HIPxK016531 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: <4489AD64.9050705@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:18:28 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Patterning book References: <20060609142230.60428.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060609142230.60428.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:19:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4489ADB3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a sense it's multi-era, but the focus is on learning flat patterning techniques to do what you want to do. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Thanks for that tip - I've seen it on amazon.com before, but I didn't know whether it's what I'm looking for:-)) They don't say much about this book there, could you tell me what periods does it cover? How many different sorts of costumes are there? For men, women or both? Are there accessories - like headdresses etc. as well? How much period are the patterns (seams etc)? Are there patterns for corsets? > > > Sarah Nucci wrote: > The best book for drafting both historical and modern patterns is Rosmary Ingraham's Costume Technician's Handbook. She walks you through how to do a sloper and how to alter it into whatever form you want. You can also try a Flat Patterning book once you've mastered Rosemary's book - I use it all the time!!! > > Sarah Nucci > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 13:35:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HZWOl009575 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:35:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59HZS2L024745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HWjH4048259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HWgYe051688; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59HWYKJ051554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.102] (209-148-118-102.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.102]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k59HWWSZ023778 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: <4489B0B3.6010203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:32:35 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with that?" 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Status: RO Most sewers hoard fabric, whether they costume or not. With me I think it's the quantity that makes clerks curious--I try never to buy less than 10 yards just to make sure I'll have enough for whatever I make with it when the time comes. I found out long ago that when I really want a certain kind of fabric I've envisioned, and just go out and try to buy it, it's never there. So whenever I see a fabric or lace I really like I get it. Then when I want to make something I just go through my stash. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com REBECCA BURCH wrote: > I have no problems telling the clerk that I have no > idea what it will be. I am a HUGE fabric junkie. > Before I made my current vow not to buy any more > fabric until my sewing room is cleaned and organized, > if I saw something I really liked I would buy at least > 2-3 yards. If it was a good deal, maybe as many as 5. > Bolts are not _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 14:35:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59IZRY8011543 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:35:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59IZM9g005928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:35:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59IYYvi062193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59IYVGg015741; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:34:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59IYMC3015593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k59IYEsb021295 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:34:21 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61565.72.13.239.193.1149878061.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <003301c68bc1$1e0179c0$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <003301c68bc1$1e0179c0$35d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with that?" From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:35:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4489BF6A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > "Something. I don't know yet. The fabric voices aren't speaking to me > right now." Fabric must ripen and mellow, of course - we shall sew no fabric before its time! I have told fabric store employees that I'm buying it simply because I like it, on numerous occasions. I might say the color was so pretty I could not resist, or that it's hard to find this particular weight of whatever these days. Maybe I heard it on this list, or maybe directly in a fabric store - the reason they ask (or are supposed to ask as part of the job) is to advise on notions and perhaps coordinating fabrics. It also breaks the ice in case the customer has a question, wants to hand over the pattern envelope so the yardage can be verified, etc. For the store's benefit, they can sell more to each customer, and for the customer's benefit, perhaps head off a horrible mistake. But it's true, the amount of help will vary with the salesperson's own expertise. I've never run into the "ask and ignore" technique,but then I would just smile and keep a close eye on their measuring! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 15:01:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59J1uJQ012455 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:01:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59J1pB8020669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:01:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59IxeAP065543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59IxZga039475; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:59:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k59IxVmF039317 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 77504 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2006 18:59:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VJT6Ah6CLyPqTeTYOx6sLJ1k1mr6GklyZRJwDMuj3fogTQy8pDflQ+ZnjZX4SQgarCE+k9CgUU6q4aADGbEwoEGRSJAQ7M9q6Ph+gAm+I1+s/RuE7AGsdVHyn4sYR2LQKHJ/mQvGQfhB3yjIA2W9mBU/Ojp6hmhourIc4Z4xpj8= ; Message-ID: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.77.177.190] by web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:59:24 PDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:59:24 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:01:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4489C59F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A recent study indicated that fabric gives off certain Pheromones that actually hypnotize women and cause them to purchase unreasonable amounts. When stored in large quantities in enclosed spaces, the Pheromones (in the fabric) cause memory loss and induce the nesting syndrome (similar to the one squirrels have before the onset of winter I.e. storing food), therefore perpetuating their species, and not having a population loss due to their kind being cut into pieces and mixed with others. Sound tests have also revealed that these fabrics emit a very high-pitched sound, heard only by a select few, a breed of women known as "quilters". When played backwards on an LP, the sounds are heard as chants, "buy me, cut me, and sew me". In order to overcome the so called "feeding frenzy effect" that these fabrics cause, one must wear a face mask when entering a storage facility and use ear plugs to avoid being pulled into their grip. (One must laugh, however, at the sight of customers in a fabric store, with WW2 army gas masks and headphones!). Studies have also in dictated that aliens have inhabited the earth, helping to spread the effects that these fabrics have on the human population. They are called FABRIC STORE CLERKS. It's also been experienced that these same Pheromones cause a pathological need to hide these fabric purchases when taken home (or at least blend them into the existing stash), and when asked by significant other if the fabric is new, the reply is "I've had it for awhile." Written by Kathy Smith Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 15:30:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59JUjxo013303 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:30:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59JUefo005963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:30:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59JU1iB070216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59JTrb3071685; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59JTkoI071591 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:29:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24768.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.104]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B0A2A5000E for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:29:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c68bfb$1b57d130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:30:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:30:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4489CC60.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Laughs!!!! Thanks for that, it was great! I really agree, i also sneak into the apartment sometimes with hidden bags full of goodies. When i a couple of days ago showed Leif the silks i want to use for the new suit i am making, i also said i had had it for a while, wich i sertanly had, but i had not shown it to him :-) Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction >A recent study indicated that fabric gives off certain > Pheromones that actually hypnotize women and cause > them to purchase unreasonable amounts. When stored in > large quantities in enclosed spaces, the Pheromones > (in the fabric) cause memory loss and induce the > nesting syndrome (similar to the one squirrels have > before the onset of winter I.e. storing food), > therefore perpetuating their species, and not having a > population loss due to their kind being cut into > pieces and mixed with others. > > Sound tests have also revealed that these fabrics emit > a very high-pitched sound, heard only by a select few, > a breed of women known as "quilters". When played > backwards on an LP, the sounds are heard as chants, > "buy me, cut me, and sew me". In order to overcome the > so called "feeding frenzy effect" that these fabrics > cause, one must wear a face mask when entering a > storage facility and use ear plugs to avoid being > pulled into their grip. (One must laugh, however, at > the sight of customers in a fabric store, with WW2 > army gas masks and headphones!). > > Studies have also in dictated that aliens have > inhabited the earth, helping to spread the effects > that these fabrics have on the human population. They > are called FABRIC STORE CLERKS. It's also been > experienced that these same Pheromones cause a > pathological need to hide these fabric purchases when > taken home (or at least blend them into the existing > stash), and when asked by significant other if the > fabric is new, the reply is "I've had it for awhile." > > Written by Kathy Smith > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 16:09:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59K9sUQ014876 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:09:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59K9o3J019958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:09:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59K9VnS076017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59K9SLS009720; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:09:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59K9NLv009565 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:09:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.215.17114fa1 (30739) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:09:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <215.17114fa1.31bb2f66@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:09:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with t... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4489D58E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/9/2006 1:33:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: With me I think it's the quantity that makes clerks curious--I try never to buy less than 10 yards just to make sure I'll have enough for whatever I make with it when the time comes. ************************ This is exactly what I do. Not only is it usually enough, it's easy to figure out how much your spending....just move that decimal point over. But at places like Jo Ann's, there is usually only 8 yards on an uncut bolt...damnit! So I have lots of 8 yard lengths....some in 2 pieces. Also many fine 5 & 6 yard pieces....since you can get an untrimmed plain dress out of 5 yards....and if the fabric is fantastic, who needs matching trim? Now if I can just stop making contemporary clothes for my niece and sister and do one of MY projects..... I feel a frilly frock coming on though. I'm dying to do an 18th century gown. I haven't for decades! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 16:39:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KdmZs015848 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Kdhjl005466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KdMCo080992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KdKJF037566; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KdEgI037358 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4cb.b4edd9 (30739) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:38:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <4cb.b4edd9.31bb364a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:38:34 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashions of the Guilded Age X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4489DC8F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just got both of Fran's books. Excellent...of course. Every school or professional shop that makes period stuff should have them on hand. Are some of the patterns complicated? You bet! Because these are some of the most complicated dresses ever conceived! Are they clear and understandable. YES THEY ARE. And the real mind boggling stuff is of course the draped overskirts and backs.... duh. This is because of what I stated earlier about draping. It is abundantly clear from the diagrams that many of these styles [if not all] were draped from a rectangle of fabric. The pulling up and pleating up gets crazy when laid out flat. But if I had this book on hand and the correct flat panel of fabric [it's right there in the book] I'm sure the matching of x's to dots and so forth would become clear as a bell as you actually draped the bustle. The bodices and undraped things are easy to figure out at a glance however. I've just looked through them once and the only criticism I have is that some pieces are 1/4 scale and then some will be 1/8 scale on the same page. It LOOKS funky. But everything is clearly marked so...even if it does look funky....it's completely understandable and makes sense. Also, I'm not sure every pattern has an illustration of the final product. I could be wrong. Usually the actual fashion plate the pattern is for, is there...but sometimes even that is not so clear. Minor...very minor... Great books....I love them. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 16:55:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59Kt6pn016305 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:55:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59Kt1Ab030494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KsYI7083842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:54:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KsWrl051112; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59KsRaD051007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:20829 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Foo00-0000JH-UF for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:54:34 -0500 Message-ID: <074e01c68c06$e4f87b60$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:54:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:55:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4489E025.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As an occasional fabric store clerk, I must say: it's not that we're sent to SPREAD the disease. It's that we are in the final stages of the disease ourselves, and our addiction can only be satisfied by being able to handle a warehouse full of fabric before anyone else gets their grubby mitts on it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 17:19:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LJ9rq017153 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:19:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59LJ5jE031691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:19:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LIaoi087968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LITFT072877; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LIJdk072636 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.138.4.46]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B1314D979 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:18:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:18:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaLlyUiCSwuoQ0aTru7kSupFssShQASWyvgAAo6lEA= In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20060609211806.31B1314D979@mail03.powweb.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4489E5C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where are you located? There is a group, treadle-on, hosted on Quiltropolis (or go to www.treadleon.net and cruise around) that is all about fixing and using these old machines. There are over 1000 people on that list, and we all have antique sewing machine problems (read large collections.....). Some of my best ones I've gotten for free, some I've paid good money for. Keep looking and pay attention at yard sales and flea markets. And, if you are in my area, you can see my collection and maybe persuade me to part with a machine head or hand crank machine (but I'm not sure any of my treadles can leave and I just bought another one, damn it, once I pick that one up I'll have 8 working treadles in the house..... plus around 30+ electric or hand crank heads .....) *Sigh* -Megan -----Original Message----- Cynthia Abel wrote: Can you still find any for a reasonable price, or are reproductions being made? Or should I get a Tardis and go back to 1975 and snatch my grandmother's? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 9 18:14:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59MEO1i018976 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:14:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k59MEKTj021857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:14:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59ME3lI094928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59MDxm5019960; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59MDr79019835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.126.150] (209-148-126-150.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k59MDn3N030363 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:13:51 -0700 Message-ID: <4489F2A0.3000805@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:13:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashions of the Gilded Age References: <4cb.b4edd9.31bb364a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb.b4edd9.31bb364a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:14:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4489F2BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It is abundantly clear from the diagrams that many of these styles [if not > all] were draped from a rectangle of fabric. The pulling up and pleating up > gets crazy when laid out flat. I think most of them were originally draped from rectangles, and that's what the period instructions included in the dressmaking manual in Volume 2 tell people to do. But some of them look like the starting point was an extra-large skirt. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 05:22:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5A9MhPp020061 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:22:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A9McLP021105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:22:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5A9MF3b070518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5A9MAqk015304; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5A9M6wR015269 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:22:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aoWFarvk5tWwCYlMvU48ck7aatvWSas4ho8jAosXSLcyjRyud0EqNSefs/VmdtOm; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.150.117.92] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FozfQ-0004tl-Qa for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:22:05 -0400 Message-ID: <410-2200666109224750@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with ... Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:22:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79104598f96367f0732e8db3e590c88f08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.150.117.92 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:22:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448A8F5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I had an older woman at Joann's get snotty with me at the cutting table when getting fabric for costumes "that's quilter's only!!" Usually it's" you're making what?" Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Sylvia Rognstad > To: Historical Costume > Date: 6/9/2006 7:19:02 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with ... > > As a part-time employee of Jo-anns, I know they tell us to ask > customers what they are making but I've never seen any salesperson at > my store ask rudely or be rude at all with a customer. I usually don't > ask the question unless I'm genuinely interested in what the customer > is making, which I often am, unless it's obvious she is into quilting, > since I have no interest in that. I see no reason for the customer > to act rudely to me when I ask but sometimes they do anyhow. Curt, > sarcastic comebacks are not called for in my opinion. Why do > salespeople have to be treated as if they are just cogs in the > corporate machine (even though I feel that way often)? > > Sylrog > > On Jun 9, 2006, at 7:44 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/2006 8:45:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > khanson@kc.rr.com writes: > > > > I give the very obvious answer in a deadpan voice and flat stare: > > > > "I'm planning on buying it." > > > > > > > > > > Quite frankly, I'm glad if the fabric store employees express an > > interest. > > So often they are totally indifferent, if not downright rude. I just > > give > > them a simple, "early 19th century dress (or whatever)." > > > > And as to the rude an indifferent, right now my nearest fabric store > > is a > > JoAnn's, where that is often the case, but I'm kind of stuck if I just > > need a > > spool of thread or something. (The not-so-close JoAnn stores are > > better, I > > have to admit. And there is a Hancock's that isn't bad.) > > > > Ann Wass > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 07:50:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ABoKH5019486 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:50:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5ABoFAj032279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:50:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ABneLn086686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ABnZ46091613; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5ABnWT9091534 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32950 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2006 11:49:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p6crxIfuhNz7zkhyQoyKz4+FeGZTOk5Pgpp5nKsjWo83Y2U7sKBqLIsNuyz+vhN/bUrjrFVsybSrzKoiP/XasQ5zXMgH2LU2wpVxB5W1oxwzTXES+cs06tp+f6DQu4E/LAYxNOBxUQpk5eUgRmKPfKnLPf2AAn6Kwglmab2wGo4= ; Message-ID: <20060610114927.32947.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:49:27 PDT Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606100922.k5A9MA3k015303@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: another addiction - was hand crank, treadle machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:50:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448AB1F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You mean collecting sewing machines is an addiction too?! If so then I am in the early stages. I think I have four or five - my mother's old electric, my own 70's vintage singer, and the new one my FI bought for me a couple of years ago. I have also discovered an old cabinet machine - or perhaps just the cabinet - in the back of the barn but I haven't been able to get to it yet so I don't know if it is treadle or electric or just an empty cabinet. And if I remember right there is one in the basement too. (Just inherited my parent's farm) Someone I know has an old cabinet electric with the knee lever instead of a foot pedal because I can remember using one. I am always drawn to old treadle machines if I see one in an antique store. I especially like the ones with the fancy wrought iron legs and treadle. My FI will probably try to nip this one in the bud though. Sewing machines are a bit harder to hide than the fabric stash! Annette M h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Message: 5 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:54:24 EDT From: AlbertCat@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? In a message dated 6/9/2006 1:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca writes: I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... ******************* do they, too, give off "certain Pheromones that actually hypnotize women ..."? Message: 9 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:12:29 -0400 From: "Megan M." Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? Sarah Patterson wrote: I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... Reply: Only 18? My husband wishes I had only 18. Anybody in the DC/ MD metro suburbs interested in an antique machine head or two? I really do need to downsize...... -Megan Message: 12 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:53:13 -0400 From: "Natalie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? Haha, want another? I've been trying to get rid of an older "White" electric for some time and don't seem to be in a good area for it. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 09:26:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ADQCeM025071 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:26:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5ADQ8RT010266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:26:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ADPfQL096155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ADPcH0039521; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ADPYZ5039434 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 07:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060610132529.NCFE26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:25:29 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: another addiction - was hand crank, treadle machines Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:26:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c68c91$6a4919c0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060610114927.32947.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcaMhEnlgMxb2F60TR+RgSL7Du3z+gADKx5Q X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:26:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448AC870.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I am always drawn to old treadle machines if I see one in an antique >store. I especially like the ones with the fancy wrought iron legs and >treadle. Same here, even though I already have one. >Sewing machines are a bit harder to hide than the fabric stash! Amen to that. I have 8 machines and counting. One is a treadle and two are handcrank. I also have one those lovely little Featherweight machines. They don't build them like they used to. (sigh) Anne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 6/9/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 11:22:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFMR10030249 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:22:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AFMMh8021277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:22:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFLlgs009261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFLiDI005432; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFLaZM005340 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:21:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.11]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J0N00M05HBQT710@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.44] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.57.10]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:21:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:21:26 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: another addiction - was hand crank, treadle machines In-reply-to: <20060610114927.32947.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <200606100922.k5A9MA3k015303@net.indra.com> <20060610114927.32947.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:22:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448AE3AE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My favorite machine, a White Rotary, is a knee pedal, and the other 2 machines in cabinets are the same. Of course the 'workhorse' is my Mom's 1970's Singer with a foot pedal. If I want to do lots of straight seams I use the White Rotary, if I need to do button holes, zig-zag or blind stitch I use the Singer. If I *really* want to do delicate hand sewing I use my Husband . He has the paitience. Katheryne Costume Content: I'm starting to make a Cavalier outfit for my Husband. He is a suit size 48, waist 48, and he is 5' 11". He's got a commercial pattern but I don't think it goes up to 2X. ----- Original Message ----- > Someone I know has an old cabinet electric with the knee lever > instead of a foot pedal because I can remember using one. > > Annette M _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 11:45:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFjWxY030958 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:45:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AFjS4k016143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:45:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFjABX015584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:45:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFj9FB019564; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFj6Fr019488 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3f0.382ec42 (57317) for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <3f0.382ec42.31bc42f7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:44:55 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448AE918.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO If they seem like they are asking purely cos they've been told to (not that common over here), I just say costume. If they seem really interested, I tell them the truth (not that 'costume' is a lie, but I go into detail). The only time anybody's been snooty, it was another customer - I was buying linen to use for linings, so when asked what I was using it for, I said linings. This other customer looked me up and down, and said something like ' huh, what on earth can you line in that?'. So I said 'a fourteenth century garnache of course'. :o) I did cause some surprise at my regular shop lately though - I was buying some sythetic dip-dyed chiffon - they were amazed cos it wasn't wool or linen!! Debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 12:07:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AG70Mc031634 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:07:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AG6tlp031214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:06:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AG6b1P018531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AG6Ywn031852; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AG6MQQ031753 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.c1.6e52e1b1 (57317) for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:06:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:06:08 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashions of the Guilded Age To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:06:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448AEE1F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/10/06 10:23:16 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I just got both of Fran's books. Excellent...of course. Every school or > professional shop that makes period stuff should have them on hand. > > Are some of the patterns complicated? You bet! Because these are some of > the > most complicated dresses ever conceived! Are they clear and understandable. > > YES THEY ARE. Got to agree with that on every score - I've only made one of the dresses, and must admit, I messed up the draping slightly (well, I *was* doing it at about 4am in a hotel room on the day I was due to wear it, fitting it in front of a mirror, on myself, on my second night with no sleep (it was a re-enactor's market), AND trying to finish it without waking the sleeping boyfriend!!) But even so, I got gasps of amazment when I wore it in the fashion show I made it for. The later one, the edwardian modiste, is fabulous too, though I've not made anything from that yet. Debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 12:41:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AGfrkY032592 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:41:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AGfmYV029869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AGfTEi027552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AGfOm4052846; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AGfK18052794 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l1so937327nzf for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RB9QQmSrM9Pd4VKe2hWeMynsEGv5zqYf8KjYlaWxX2djL8oGv6RnVBkOyPhtUTQ69AWtn2by9yqAX4HLoeS0IQU2l5FNCtWyS5krPHkE1FdXbdB5F+rU1FL1qfnaVh3GyXyiu3vCxaYVF1g3D4xs5lM3wxNC9O8AYzs1uhK2oKY= Received: by 10.64.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr3847257qbu; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.158.20 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190606100941i5cb32064ya54361147eb0cfbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:41:19 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: treadle machines/"so what are you making?" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:41:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448AF64C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:12:29 -0400 > From: "Megan M." > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; > what to pay? > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <20060609211227.ADE8014D8A0@mail03.powweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sarah Patterson wrote: > > I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... > > Reply: Only 18? My husband wishes I had only 18. Anybody in the DC/ MD > metro suburbs interested in an antique machine head or two? I really do need > to downsize...... > -Megan > I'm in DC/MD and I'd take you up on it....if I didn't already have 2 non-functional "modern" (1970s) machines in my basement :P And re: "so what are you making?" - I'm usually honest without the snark, and most of the time it's interesting enough to get/keep the clerk's attention. But I'm going to HAVE to use the line about rolling around on it so the cats know it's mine :P I don't hoard fabric as much as I hoard *patterns* - on sale they're cheap and file nicely, and half the things I pick up don't go out of style easily (Miyake/art to wear, costume patterns) so they "keep". Anyone else? Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 17:06:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AL65kT011642 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AL606s008967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AL5OFK064221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AL5Jx7016439; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.spiritone.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AL5FI1016415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5AL5CtQ030578 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:05:14 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: another addiction - was hand crank, treadle machines Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:06:55 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <20060610114927.32947.qmail@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:06:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448B3438.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As this thread started I began to count up my machines and realized that I was in the throws of General sewing machine addiction too. I have a Kaiser treadle machine, bought in Germany in the 1970's from an antique dealer. It sits in a table with wrought iron work picked out in gold leaf. The table includes the treadle portion and the big wheel for the pulley. On the other hand you can unhook the pulley, put the inlaid wood cover over the machine (rectangular in this case) and lift it out to take with you. Then it works as a hand crank. The machine itself is inlaid with mother of pearl and lovely gold paint work. It worked when I bought it and even had the needles and several feet for it (I suspect Singer feet would also work) as well as the pulley. Now I use that stand for my 1970's era Pfaff workhorse (dual voltage) also bought in Germany. So there is the Kaiser treadle; the 1970's Pfaff; a 2002 Pfaff I bought when my workhorse 1970's suffered a seizure (over 20 years without a tune up and it finally quit until I took it in - now it works fine again). This one is presently "stored" at a friend's house because it requires a professional tune up every year. Her deal is she gets it and she takes care of it. A 1928 Singer (made in Elizabethtown, NJ on 28 Feb 1928) that is electrified and will work with either a presser foot or a knee lever. A Morse 1950's Japanese knock off that is great for tents or fine silk just got back from being timed and tuned. A 1970's Touch and Sew that called to me from the Good Will store because it had a nifty cabinet with the fold out side table. Then they surprised me with all the feet, the instruction books, and five bags of nifty "Stuff" for $50. Finally (until the next machine calls to me) a 1950's Singer that was my mother's and is now on loan to my foster son for garbing purposes (needs a professional tune up) My mother always credited the Singer Treadle we had (sold before I got interested in sewing - sob!) with the ease of birth of her three children. She would make baby and toddler clothing on it. The action of making the treadle work strengthened her "birthing" muscles said her doctor. Regina Romsey "All I want is a warm bed, a kind word and unlimited power" > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:03:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM37J6012777 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:03:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AM32AJ010713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM2ZEg069906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM2YNK046412; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59JKTQk061404 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by alexander.concentric.com id PAA12315; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:20:24 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200606091920.PAA12315@alexander.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:20:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200606091719.k59HJEqw035393@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k59JKTQk061404 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] treadle machines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:03:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448B4196.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is it the foot pedal that is the trouble? I once found a table set sewing machine on the side of the road on garbarge day that worked by a knee pressed lever (much like the industrial machines have to raise the pressure foot) It was too confusing for my poor old trained mind so I gave it to my sister-in-law to use. She still uses it. *********** Also, if that's the case, I've seen cabinets or conversions that place the foot pedal into some sort of case with a knee lever attached. I learned on one like that and had to retrain myself when I got a machine with a foot pedal and a knee presser foot lever. How do you folks handle that? I pedal with my left foot and raise the presser foot lever with my right knee. Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:04:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM4A7l012805 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AM434B003294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM3sRs070104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM3sRC047173; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LCTcM067820 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.138.4.46]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE8014D8A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? 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Status: RO Sarah Patterson wrote: I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... Reply: Only 18? My husband wishes I had only 18. Anybody in the DC/ MD metro suburbs interested in an antique machine head or two? I really do need to downsize...... -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:04:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM4FDN012808 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AM4BFU011561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM3xwG070125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM3xRB047212; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LD8kS068264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.125.60] (209-148-125-60.arc16.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.125.60]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k59LCo7Q016778 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:12:51 -0700 Message-ID: <4489E455.2040002@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:12:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fashions of the Guilded Age References: <4cb.b4edd9.31bb364a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4cb.b4edd9.31bb364a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448B41DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I've just looked through them once and the only criticism I have is that > some pieces are 1/4 scale and then some will be 1/8 scale on the same page. It > LOOKS funky. It's not usual; but when you have a book that contains tiny little pattern pieces like side bodies (not to mention things like collars), and enormous full-length trained dress pieces, you can't make them all the same scale and fit them in the book. Unless you're willing to make all the small ones too small not only to add the labels (which can be put outside the pattern, if necessary), but so small that the subtleties of curves and small details almost completely disappear for someone who will be doing grid enlargement with graph paper. Many costumers who are not working for a school or theater do not have overhead projectors. I was editing all those at 200% magnification, so I could see all the shapes very clearly. But when I printed some of them out at 1/8 scale it was like, how is anyone going to scale this up accurately when it only covers about two graph squares? You just can't see the shape well. So I started out with an 1/8 scale default, and printed each one at that scale. If it looked unusable for graph scaling I went to 1/4 scale. And if was too big for the page at 1/8 scale, which was true for a few, I went to 1/16 if it was a very simple shape; and cut the pattern into two pieces if not. I kept the embroidery patterns at 1:1 wherever possible, since something that complicated and curvy is a pain to scale up. All the scaling was done with a computer, so although I had to redraw all the patterns with the same line width, and make all the text labels the same font size, the scaling itself was easy for me to do accurately. It was a trade-off between a prettier page, with all the pattern pieces looking more alike, and ease of use for some individual pieces. I chose ease of use. I actually redid some of them late in the production stage, during proofing, when I realized their current scale was not optimal. lso, I'm not sure every > pattern has an illustration of the final product. I could be wrong. Usually > the actual fashion plate the pattern is for, is there...but sometimes even that > is not so clear. For all the patterns that had fashion plates, the fashion plate is there. If there were several plates, all of them are there. Klemm didn't give any fashion plates for some of his simple garments, though he did usually add trimmings, buttons, etc. to the diagrams themselves. I considered getting fashion plates from elsewhere to go with those. But it might have been confusing for people to see a plate that was sort of the same garment but not exactly; and the books were already enormous; so I didn't. Great books....I love them. > I'm glad you like them. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:04:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM4WkK012818 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AM4Qo8024040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:04:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM4HsK070188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM4Hap047440; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59LrHrd002459 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from nataliexp (c-71-206-115-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[71.206.115.241]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060609215259013005somme>; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:52:59 +0000 Message-ID: <003401c68c0f$1b297e20$0501a8c0@nataliexp> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060609211806.31B1314D979@mail03.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? 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Status: RO Haha, want another? I've been trying to get rid of an older "White" electric for some time and don't seem to be in a good area for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? > Where are you located? There is a group, treadle-on, hosted on > Quiltropolis > (or go to www.treadleon.net and cruise around) that is all about fixing > and > using these old machines. There are over 1000 people on that list, and we > all have antique sewing machine problems (read large collections.....). > Some of my best ones I've gotten for free, some I've paid good money for. > Keep looking and pay attention at yard sales and flea markets. And, if > you > are in my area, you can see my collection and maybe persuade me to part > with > a machine head or hand crank machine (but I'm not sure any of my treadles > can leave and I just bought another one, damn it, once I pick that one up > I'll have 8 working treadles in the house..... plus around 30+ electric or > hand crank heads .....) > *Sigh* > -Megan > > -----Original Message----- > Cynthia Abel wrote: > > Can you still find any for a reasonable price, or are reproductions > being made? Or should I get a Tardis and go back to 1975 and snatch my > grandmother's? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:06:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM6ZkC012878 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:06:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AM6U3Q012664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM6FXR070727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM6Ebw049207; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:06:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFnDOQ021699 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.272.af8a2ac (57317) for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <272.af8a2ac.31bc43eb@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:48:59 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re. 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Status: RO There's a mention somewhere of a buttonhole machine that was developed in the later stages of the american civil war, but I've never seen any physical evidence of it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:06:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM6mgb012889 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:06:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AM6iTT004441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:06:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM6acY070764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM6ZMS049404; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AFtI08025294 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.380.482b9e7 (57317) for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:55:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <380.482b9e7.31bc455b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:55:07 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 471 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:06:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448B4274.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/9/06 6:21:04 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Before I made my current vow not to buy any more > fabric until my sewing room is cleaned and organized, > if I saw something I really liked I would buy at least > 2-3 yards. If it was a good deal, maybe as many as 5. > Bolts are not unknown. The places I shop with regularly have now learned that if want x number of metres, I'll say 'can I have x metres of that please' - and that if I say 'that one please', I mean all of it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:41:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMfhgA014870 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:41:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AMfdw8021010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:41:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMfOED075673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMfLKA069332; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:41:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMfICo069223 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.15]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J0O003SM1P1QAF0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:41:26 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:41:02 -0300 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:41:00 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? To: Historical Costume Message-id: <002301c68cde$f27bb620$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Antivirus: avast! 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Status: RO I think so, leastwise machines that are at least 40 years old that sit at yards sales with all their attachments for $10.00 or featherweights with all of their attachments & booklets that date to WW2 just seem to call to me...even my exhusband has been known to show up at the house after auction weekends with the odd antique machine that "came with a boxlot he wanted" (one was my teasured hand crank) - ya sure. So what will be the newest fragnance for SCA men who want garb made: Singer Sewing Machine Oil?? I would have had more than 18 but I only count the ones I have now - not the ones I have given away..although I fear we have either started an addiction support group for machine collectors or a club! Sarah ----- Original Message ----- > > In a message dated 6/9/2006 1:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca writes: > > I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... > > > > ******************* > > do they, too, give off "certain > Pheromones that actually hypnotize women ..."? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 18:54:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMsWXa015260 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:54:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5AMsQQM023724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:54:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMsCeH077195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMsB09076164; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:54:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AMs75i076072 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip01.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.5]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J0O003WN2APQHG0@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:54:25 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip01.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:53:55 -0300 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:53:53 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. Buttonhole attachment To: Historical Costume Message-id: <003401c68ce0$bf487e80$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-Antivirus: avast! 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Status: RO Head, Carol "Old Sewing Machines" Shire Publications Ltd, Buckinghamshire: c.1995 page 22 "..In Germany in 1882 John Kayser built a sewing machine that could sew with a zigzag stitch. This idea had been developed in America as early as 1854, when a buttonhole machine was patented. The zigzag stitch was used in the 1870s in special purpose machines and these were the forerunners of today's domestic swing-needle models." Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > There's a mention somewhere of a buttonhole machine that was developed in > the > later stages of the american civil war, but I've never seen any physical > evidence of it. > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 10 21:15:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5B1FBFq019017 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:15:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B1F6aL029757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:15:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM31CJ069954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AM31s9046675; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k59JsamS095550 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4d4.8cbf82 (30739) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <4d4.8cbf82.31bb2bf0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:54:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? 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Status: RO In a message dated 6/9/2006 1:19:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca writes: I still embarassingly have 18 sewing machines..... ******************* do they, too, give off "certain Pheromones that actually hypnotize women ..."? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 11:29:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BFTpgA019939 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:29:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BFTkr5000977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:29:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BFT96M013746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BFT05i017761; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BFSuh6017707; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1FpRrz-000Lry-8a; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:28:55 +0000 Message-ID: <5WyYjpC6ZDjEJw9K@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:27:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] not a recent book? 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Status: RO When I worked in a civil service library, people would come in asking if we had an Act of Parliament "It's quite far back, 1960's..." - We had all legislation back to Edward I !! Jean "M+D: Mary and Doug Piero Carey" wrote >And I had my periodicals librarian hat on. When my patron's first >words are "do you have old newspapers?", they might mean yesterday's >paper, or they might mean 1793! > >Maria > >Robin said: Heh. I had my journalist hat on for that one. When I >worked on a daily newspaper, anything more than a week old was >ancient. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 12:11:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGB4Wd020970 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BGAxoe029317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGAlfA019160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGAkC2046059; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail03.powweb.com (mail03.powweb.com [66.152.97.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BChluW000883 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 06:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from megan@benchite.com) Received: from megan2 (c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net [69.138.4.46]) by mail03.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F80514D875 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:43:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Megan M." To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hand crank, treadle machines--where to look; what to pay? Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: <006e01c68d54$aded09c0$cb01a8c0@BR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002301c68cde$f27bb620$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 thread-index: AcaNE/wYVjI1YjxYQPK7DgQS0vYNbQAQF7cw X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:11:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448C4093.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sarah wrote: ..although I fear we have either started an addiction support group for machine collectors or a club! Reply: Sorry to inform you there are already groups out there for us machine nuts. They are all over yahoo and quiltropolis - vintagesingers, vintagekenmoresew, wefixit, treadleon, etc, etc. How do I know this? Well......... -Megan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 12:11:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGBQsX020979 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:11:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BGBLAG032052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:11:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGB9Nl019247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGB9NX046320; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail6.tpgi.com.au (mail6.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BDTiPo033827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-222-41-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.222.41]) by mail6.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BDTfjO025669 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:29:43 +1000 Message-ID: <037801c68d5b$178cc680$29def5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:29:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:11:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448C40A9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction > > Sound tests have also revealed that these fabrics emit > a very high-pitched sound, heard only by a select few, > a breed of women known as "quilters". I think we need to extend this theory, obviously different fabrics are emitting different frequencies and each sewer is sensitive to different frequencies, you see the quilting cottons have never spoken to me but brocades and silks frequently do. Some become quilters because they are sensitive to the frequency emitted by quilting cottons while others become costumers because silk cries out to them piteously. Then there are the poor souls who can hear the sound of all types of fabric and they do quilting, historic costuming, mundane sewing and can't possibly leave a fabric shop without something because one of their addictions will catch them. :-) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 12:35:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGZCDI023060 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:35:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BGZ8dS023306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:35:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGYmr0021793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGYiWR061597; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:34:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGYerH061479 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.51.23] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FpStV-0007IO-00 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:34:33 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060611135809.62044.qmail@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060611135809.62044.qmail@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3397488c63f8d88466ea2d5f2e106543@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:36:31 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: "Old Lace" book on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448C463C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's a great book, for those interested, and the price (so far) isn't bad. Books like this serve a good purpose, even when so much of their information is way out-of-date. The fact is that things like lace are easily destroyed in fires, floods, and wars, and early books with good clear photographs are sometimes all we have left of many of the finest laces ever made. Beth S. --- in clear and very cold Kambah, in Canberra, Australia, where the wind coming up from the Antarctic is ripping through us all, with the news that winter really is here! On 11/06/2006, at 11:58 PM, Mary wrote: > Sorry for the short notice, but I just saw that there's a book on eBay > called "Old Lace, A Handbook For Collectors, An Account Of The > Different Styles Of Lace, Their History, Characteristics & Manufacture > By M. Jourdain .. 163 Examples Of Old Lace From Photographs On 95 > Plates, London .. New York .. MCMIX (1909)" . > > Collectors_W0QQitemZ7421117315QQcategoryZ2219QQcmdZViewItem> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 14:47:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIlYg9028603 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BIlTUV009506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIl6Nu036679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:47:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIl2nE045544; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIl0oT045507 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so978051wri for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:46:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tWLftEbC/q45LG7dNuHTocCR8tYGfM1W4SkTlhDhxRuZg4xmwdt7PZuv0PdvnBDwtsQWODvDq9z0ypa7dXLcsunFk0lajp7Npdzrlb4K8+XEoHiz0jKW8JYobGXPlceNMzFH3coQHZ553HsAK/pMyKCMYEEO+jJ6e6FrT3cL/bI= Received: by 10.65.234.10 with SMTP id l10mr4147389qbr; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.155.13 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190606111146m47f843dau422fc515f7da2968@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:46:58 -0400 From: "A. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448C6541.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm finally looking at picking up this book, and it seems like the best price is through Polistampa.com - 58EUR converts to about $73USD as of today; every other source (Lacis, Bookfinder.com, Alibris) lists prices at $100 or above. My only concern that might affect price is what Polistampa might charge for shipping - I don't read enough Italian to tell from the site. Does anyone have any ordering/shipping experiences with Polistampa they'd like to share, or recommendations of other vendors? Price is a consideration. Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 14:53:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIruE5028809 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:53:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BIrpAa025039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:53:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIraj3037286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIrZtG049651; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BIrXRj049596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FpV47-0005lt-7o; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:53:39 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:53:39 -0400 Message-ID: <20060611145339.xphn8e5g0socgo8w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:53:39 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best prices on Moda a Firenze? 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Status: RO Quoting "A. Thurman" : > I'm finally looking at picking up this book, and it seems like the > best price is through Polistampa.com - 58EUR converts to about $73USD > as of today; every other source (Lacis, Bookfinder.com, Alibris) lists > prices at $100 or above. My only concern that might affect price is > what Polistampa might charge for shipping - I don't read enough > Italian to tell from the site. > > Does anyone have any ordering/shipping experiences with Polistampa > they'd like to share, or recommendations of other vendors? Price is a > consideration. I was going to purchase a copy through Polistampa. At the time, they were giving a 20% discount on the book -- but they wanted 40 Euro to ship it, so there's not any price break that way. Got any folks in Italy that want to act as Book Seller? (just kidding ...) FYI, Poison Pen Press has the highest price at $175. Jerusha (who *wants* this book!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 15:55:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BJtjNv030361 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:55:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BJteWw030467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:55:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BJtIAY045241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BJtBkD088781; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BJt7Eo088692 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J0P003K6ONKA420@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:54:52 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Best prices on Moda a Firenze? In-reply-to: <20060611145339.xphn8e5g0socgo8w@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:55:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448C753C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OMG-- $175???? RIDICULOUS. Go to MIchael Shemanshy on the web. http://www.artbooks.com It is less than $100 and I think he includes shipping. Item Number: 45409 Title: Moda a Firenze 1540-1580: Lo stile di Eleonora di Toledo a la sua influenza Author: ORSI LANDINI, ROBERTA, BRUNA NICCOLI Price: $99.95 ISBN: 8883048679 Description: Firenze: Pagliai Polistampa, 2005. 32cm., hardcover, 252pp., ca. 120 plates, most in color. Italian-English texts, including: Eleonora di Toledo Duchess of Tuscany in history and legend; Eleonora's style; Costume in the Medici ceremonies; The clothes that have survived; The individual garments; Tailors and embroiderers; Florentine textile production; The wardrobe of Eleonora di Toledo; etc. Regards- Monica (Catriona) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 2:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best prices on Moda a Firenze? Quoting "A. Thurman" : > I'm finally looking at picking up this book, and it seems like the > best price is through Polistampa.com - 58EUR converts to about $73USD > as of today; every other source (Lacis, Bookfinder.com, Alibris) lists > prices at $100 or above. My only concern that might affect price is > what Polistampa might charge for shipping - I don't read enough > Italian to tell from the site. > > Does anyone have any ordering/shipping experiences with Polistampa > they'd like to share, or recommendations of other vendors? Price is a > consideration. I was going to purchase a copy through Polistampa. At the time, they were giving a 20% discount on the book -- but they wanted 40 Euro to ship it, so there's not any price break that way. Got any folks in Italy that want to act as Book Seller? (just kidding ...) FYI, Poison Pen Press has the highest price at $175. Jerusha (who *wants* this book!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 16:07:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BK7cl2030895 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:07:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BK7Xfl014080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGBLM5019325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BGBLEJ046515; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BDwJft053192 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62046 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2006 13:58:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O3E6tgDcDrLj7cb947AJ29Y7Uno1ISJU3JigERDypkqV3OjvXPA0MQ7doQjhsuNAzIy1wze4ftLRxynzP/CMF6iBGBrAJp5i3qxJwGUWfcei6ZQNzvk2OHLUUleN8QziZMfISoUkh0FeyGSgc+nqieJU6uvVo4Uga5vnaRoXD+U= ; Message-ID: <20060611135809.62044.qmail@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 06:58:09 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606101800.k5AI0IXR001608@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Old Lace" book on eBay X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:07:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448C7805.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry for the short notice, but I just saw that there's a book on eBay called "Old Lace, A Handbook For Collectors, An Account Of The Different Styles Of Lace, Their History, Characteristics & Manufacture By M. Jourdain .. 163 Examples Of Old Lace From Photographs On 95 Plates, London .. New York .. MCMIX (1909)" . The auction closes in 13 hours (this evening just before 9:00pm Pacific Time). I thought there might be some lace afficianados who would be interested... ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 17:49:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BLns1P001014 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:49:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BLnn2d005635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:49:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BLnJPm056976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:49:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BLnEL4057463; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BLnAqV057409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:49:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26032 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FpXo1-0002sK-Hg for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:49:18 -0500 Message-ID: <086401c68da0$dd7da2c0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:48:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving interfacing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:49:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448C8FFE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5BLns1P001014 Status: RO I need some bright ideas. I'm planning to make my own goldwork embroidery trim, by embroidering some heavy silk satin ribbon; I'll be doing it both on some 5/8" wide and some 1" wide ribbon. The embroidery is going to be a continuous design, and longer than any frames I've seen, so I won't be able to fit it into a normal embroidery frame without wrecking it. I thought of pinning it to a pillow, but I can't figure out any practical way to do that without accidentally embroidering into the pillow itself. Ideas? Also, long ago I did graphic design for an embroidery company. To back the embroidery, one of the things they used was a type of interfacing that dissolved when sprayed with water. Does anyone know the name of this stuff, or brand names of something similar but perhaps a bit more substantial? The ribbon is black, and all the traditional methods I've experimented with to mark the design just did not work well; there's too much fiddly detail in the design for anything that actually shows up. I'm hoping to mark the design on an easily removeable interfacing instead. (My last ditch idea is to paint the design on, but that seems like it will take forever and make it really hard to accurately render the design.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 18:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BMTJxi001970 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:29:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BMTFOf018459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:29:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BMS4lp061885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BMS3Dt080414; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BMRvOr080358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26259 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FpYPd-0005mZ-Rb for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:28:06 -0500 Message-ID: <086801c68da6$4b716cd0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <086401c68da0$dd7da2c0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving interfacing? 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Status: RO Responding to myself--I remembered the right term (duh) for the second question, so I have that settled, but I'm still idea-less on the first question. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 19:15:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNF4fi003704 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:15:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BNExnZ024340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:15:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNEb2a067410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:14:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNEZRZ007706; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNEVZX007593 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.482.2eeaa38 (30740) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:14:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <482.2eeaa38.31bdfdcd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:14:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. 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Status: RO That's the quote - thanks. Knew I'd read something somewhere. Have no idea whether it was actually used, though, as all the clothes of that time that I've seen / seen pics of had hand stitched buttonholes. As an aside, my Nana's (old, but not that old) sewing machine had the kind of foot that moves the fabric from side to side to create a zig zag. Never could control it myself, though :o) Debbie In a message dated 6/11/06 7:01:24 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re. Buttonhole attachment > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <003401c68ce0$bf487e80$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Head, Carol "Old Sewing Machines" Shire Publications Ltd, Buckinghamshire: > c.1995 > page 22 > "..In Germany in 1882 John Kayser built a sewing machine that could sew with > > a zigzag stitch. This idea had been developed in America as early as 1854, > when a buttonhole machine was patented. The zigzag stitch was used in the > 1870s in special purpose machines and these were the forerunners of today's > domestic swing-needle models." > > Sarah Paterson _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 19:38:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNcEvq004491 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:38:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5BNc9An005828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNbn4v071422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5BNbmua023426; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5BNbgE3023340 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 49218 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jun 2006 23:37:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IBA7euWP+qFKjN0hz2H6+smm0wdRLvQiNbkAQ/ofA+5ysX0IQO0PG+BCnOUXgZLb8rUdb1L+Ky2BLqCePOaCqv7Ya9Tm47u2B62qMPzoW7mA4r2qo6epdFTsWldM3htmixYy6uw2ddBX+41laEkPVqdZf5Wbq81c26nEwRLcw0U= ; Message-ID: <20060611233736.49216.qmail@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.27.68] by web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:37:36 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving interfacing? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <086801c68da6$4b716cd0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:38:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448CA961.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could you possibly refit a beading loom to stretch your ribbon on? I have seen beadwork ribbons that were quite long and were rolled as they were worked on. If you created a stencil to paint the design on with it wouldn't take all that long. Which just reminded me - one time when we were painting banners we used two canvas stretchers and some of those carpenter clamps to make large frames. You could do the same in a smaller version with a couple 1x1 frames. --- E House wrote: > Responding to myself--I remembered the right term > (duh) for the second > question, so I have that settled, but I'm still > idea-less on the first > question. > > -E House Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 20:16:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C0GpsV005620 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:16:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5C0GkYP020740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:16:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C0GQg3075591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C0GNLL046913; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C0GJtA046811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D03E15014C for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04842-01-46 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8ECB150182 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <012801c68db0$3daac4c0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <037801c68d5b$178cc680$29def5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:39:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:16:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448CB26E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Then there are the poor > souls who can hear the sound of all types of fabric and they do quilting, > historic costuming, mundane sewing and can't possibly leave a fabric shop > without something because one of their addictions will catch them. :-) > Elizabeth Yep, that would be me... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 21:32:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1WEOu007812 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:32:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5C1W9lY008872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:32:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1VnpX084012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1VjRe000507; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.149]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5C1VftD000413 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:31:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86123 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 01:31:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dC9MQ2PJd2IU8NbOPRu3m1fnVGamFGIYKuAzgi70QIEVCrLQGrlEUNUCOuAg1FN97kTBsDK+237izPaosW9Xf6UropZMdf+B9IcfHzIHhH6Ej5Hw1agJi8DfQ102gEJxjEdzXungf64qNKqvpjaOXy/BAbXpiohUG2qpprPTeu0= ; Message-ID: <20060612013136.86121.qmail@web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:31:36 PDT Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:31:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606111800.k5BI06W2016568@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Scientific explanation of my addiction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448CC419.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Uh oh - count me as a member of the latter group. On the rare occasion I leave the fabric store without anything at all, it is because I am on a mision for something specific, can't find it, and have my FI in tow - hence no time to browse as we are off to the next location to search. Otherwise though, he will browse with me and has even said in response to my hesitation over buying something just because I like it - "Why don't you get you some?" He is definitely a keeper! He also picked out the fabric for his ionar and can sew - or so his mother says. I am a pattern hoarder too! :-( Annette M h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Message: 5 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 23:29:38 +1000 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 4:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction > > Sound tests have also revealed that these fabrics emit > a very high-pitched sound, heard only by a select few, > a breed of women known as "quilters". I think we need to extend this theory, obviously different fabrics are emitting different frequencies and each sewer is sensitive to different frequencies, you see the quilting cottons have never spoken to me but brocades and silks frequently do. Some become quilters because they are sensitive to the frequency emitted by quilting cottons while others become costumers because silk cries out to them piteously. Then there are the poor souls who can hear the sound of all types of fabric and they do quilting, historic costuming, mundane sewing and can't possibly leave a fabric shop without something because one of their addictions will catch them. :-) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 21:40:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1eZkw008066 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:40:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5C1eVf3016677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:40:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1eDIW085125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1eBL5007166; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C1dYY6006566 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from nataliexp (c-71-206-115-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net[71.206.115.241]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060612013929013005v59ee>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 01:39:29 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c68dc1$0d1c97a0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <086401c68da0$dd7da2c0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:39:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0624-0, 06/11/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: ribbon embroidery frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448CC60F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO How about clamping it to a large, sturdy picture frame with the back and glass taken out? Or maybe clamping it to a yard stick? I was thinking that would be similar to pinning to a pillow, but without the risk of embroidering onto the pillow. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving interfacing? I need some bright ideas. I'm planning to make my own goldwork embroidery trim, by embroidering some heavy silk satin ribbon; I'll be doing it both on some 5/8" wide and some 1" wide ribbon. The embroidery is going to be a continuous design, and longer than any frames I've seen, so I won't be able to fit it into a normal embroidery frame without wrecking it. I thought of pinning it to a pillow, but I can't figure out any practical way to do that without accidentally embroidering into the pillow itself. Ideas? Also, long ago I did graphic design for an embroidery company. To back the embroidery, one of the things they used was a type of interfacing that dissolved when sprayed with water. Does anyone know the name of this stuff, or brand names of something similar but perhaps a bit more substantial? The ribbon is black, and all the traditional methods I've experimented with to mark the design just did not work well; there's too much fiddly detail in the design for anything that actually shows up. I'm hoping to mark the design on an easily removeable interfacing instead. (My last ditch idea is to paint the design on, but that seems like it will take forever and make it really hard to accurately render the design.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 11 22:41:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C2fSuS009745 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:41:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5C2fNr1022279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:41:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C2f47H093984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C2f0pj055723; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:41:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5C2euoV055663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 20:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.136] (209-148-118-136.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.136]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5C2et2i005206 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:40:56 -0700 Message-ID: <448CD43B.8050904@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:40:59 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: ribbon embroidery frame References: <086401c68da0$dd7da2c0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> <004701c68dc1$0d1c97a0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> In-Reply-To: <004701c68dc1$0d1c97a0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448CD453.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Would a quilting frame do? Fran Lavolta Press > I need some bright ideas. I'm planning to make my own goldwork > embroidery trim, by embroidering some heavy silk satin ribbon; I'll be > doing it both on some 5/8" wide and some 1" wide ribbon. The embroidery > is going to be a continuous design, and longer than any frames I've > seen, so I won't be able to fit it into a normal embroidery frame > without wrecking it. I thought of pinning it to a pillow, but I can't > figure out any practical way to do that without accidentally > embroidering into the pillow itself. Ideas? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 08:50:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CCo0qU031162 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:50:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CCnuft001832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:49:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CCnUWj088233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CCnRbn008873; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5CCnPMG008765 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 33425 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 12:49:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J9Gtv0pBQqtLhOMLYfY1AvtGxh/bk9vW3wZdmRgVrsBw7BYeWOqpx2qLpH7h0DJ3NCJXVS64pKigWL96oFvrSjVuKYDegk07ezFexzQs3SYvFxbwzv1HMIU0RaXlUexKmypleavNhpJIpDNqjvnhA8dM+TsNVT+SkxTpa17WuRs= ; Message-ID: <20060612124918.33423.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:49:18 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:49:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5CCnPMG008765 Subject: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:49:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448D62F4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO All that lace I had mentioned I had a while back has finally made it onto E Bay, along with some other stuff. If you're interested, look up my ID insaneseamstress. I'll be pitching some other stuff up there soon as well. I have a whackload of Victorian patterns - all are intact, I traced off rather than cut. Some may have notations on them in pencil - anyone interested in what I have? I can inventory and photograph for those interested. Otherwise I'll toss em on EBay as well. Some of my finished vic goods will be going this week too. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 09:17:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDHrtR032135 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:17:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CDHnxR024822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:17:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDH8QI097560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDH7fa031795; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDH2PJ031724 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.47.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.47] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FpmHt-0007GT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <448D76EA.2080105@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:15:06 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff References: <20060612124918.33423.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:17:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448D697D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kathy Page wrote: > > I have a whackload of Victorian patterns Are these patterns that were produced in the Victorian era or modern patterns of Victorian styles? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 09:41:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDf5G8000500 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:41:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CDf1Z5002154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:41:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDedMB002085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDebbI052001; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:40:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDeU7d051796 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter98.comcast.net ([204.127.197.198]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060612134024m1100hf21fe>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:40:24 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter98.comcast.net; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:40:24 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:40:24 +0000 Message-Id: <061220061340.4063.448D6EC80001DAD700000FDF22135753330809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:41:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448D6EED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm interested, but don't know how ebay search works. Where would I go to enter your id? I've looked on a few pages, but they only show catagories to search. Thanks! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kathy Page > All that lace I had mentioned I had a while back has finally made it onto E Bay, > along with some other stuff. If you're interested, look up my ID > insaneseamstress. I'll be pitching some other stuff up there soon as well. > > I have a whackload of Victorian patterns - all are intact, I traced off rather > than cut. Some may have notations on them in pencil - anyone interested in what > I have? I can inventory and photograph for those interested. Otherwise I'll toss > em on EBay as well. Some of my finished vic goods will be going this week too. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or > barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a > lion's head erased gules. > > Its never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 09:41:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDfqP2000546 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:41:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CDflmS013610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:41:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDfWTV002267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDfVEC052883; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDfPhc052707 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter91.comcast.net ([204.127.197.191]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060612134120m130020kb8e>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:41:20 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter91.comcast.net; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:41:19 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:41:19 +0000 Message-Id: <061220061341.11450.448D6EFF000ACB7300002CBA22070208530809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:41:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448D6F1B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Whichever they are, I'd be interested in seeing them. Thanks! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Melanie Schuessler > Kathy Page wrote: > > > > I have a whackload of Victorian patterns > > Are these patterns that were produced in the Victorian era or modern > patterns of Victorian styles? > > Thanks, > Melanie Schuessler > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 09:52:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDq5S3000925 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:52:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CDq0f7008361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDpbJK003359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:51:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDpZZ3061883; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:51:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDpWW6061755 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B50BC85EB for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200606121317.k5CDHXBX032148@net.indra.com> References: <200606121317.k5CDHXBX032148@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:51:14 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: loooong embroidery... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:52:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448D7180.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 7:17 AM -0600 6/12/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Could you possibly refit a beading loom to stretch >your ribbon on? I have seen beadwork ribbons that >were quite long and were rolled as they were worked >on. Have you looked at the Harrisville 'Friendly Loom' (I think that's what it's called)? It has a front and back beam and uses a removable rigid heddle....They are strong and hold up well to a number of non weaving uses... You could cushion the finished work with quilt batting. The water soluble stuff is from a number of sources--store in a zip lock bag --Solvy is a brand JoAnn's carries or talk to a machine embroidery person. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 10:15:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CEFixC001772 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:15:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CEFeUa021374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CEFIkR006527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CEFGrF084527; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:15:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CEF8Dm084340 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060612141502m1200o4raue>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:15:02 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:15:00 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving interfacing? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:15:00 +0000 Message-Id: <061220061415.2389.448D76E400037C910000095522007503300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448D770C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There are some really nifty needlepoint frames that might work. If you click on the accessories link on the web page, pasted below, you'll see several that might help. Denise, the owner is wonderfully helpful. http://www.threadneedlestreet.com/ Good luck! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "E House" > I need some bright ideas. I'm planning to make my own goldwork embroidery trim, > by embroidering some heavy silk satin ribbon; I'll be doing it both on some 5/8" > wide and some 1" wide ribbon. The embroidery is going to be a continuous > design, and longer than any frames I've seen, so I won't be able to fit it into > a normal embroidery frame without wrecking it. I thought of pinning it to a > pillow, but I can't figure out any practical way to do that without accidentally > embroidering into the pillow itself. Ideas? > > Also, long ago I did graphic design for an embroidery company. To back the > embroidery, one of the things they used was a type of interfacing that dissolved > when sprayed with water. Does anyone know the name of this stuff, or brand > names of something similar but perhaps a bit more substantial? The ribbon is > black, and all the traditional methods I've experimented with to mark the design > just did not work well; there's too much fiddly detail in the design for > anything that actually shows up. I'm hoping to mark the design on an easily > removeable interfacing instead. (My last ditch idea is to paint the design on, > but that seems like it will take forever and make it really hard to accurately > render the design.) > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 12:57:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CGv04k008699 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CGutPj026579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:56:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CGuL7J032839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CGuDi4044521; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CGu79T044405 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB616EF05CA; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:50:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:56:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c68e41$1a346e60$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <074e01c68c06$e4f87b60$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5CGu79T044405 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:56:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448D9CD7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I do believe there is a similar disease, or perhaps it is just another stage of the same disease, which prevents someone from throwing out any piece of fabric larger than 4'' square, because it could conceivably be used in a quilt. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 1:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction As an occasional fabric store clerk, I must say: it's not that we're sent to SPREAD the disease. It's that we are in the final stages of the disease ourselves, and our addiction can only be satisfied by being able to handle a warehouse full of fabric before anyone else gets their grubby mitts on it. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 14:03:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CI3eVj011164 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:03:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CI3aaW006692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CI3CfR042875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CI2wk6015054; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CI0VRJ012069 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0333B62F for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <448DABB6.5010802@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:00:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... 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Status: RO I find it's not worth the effort most times to try and come up with something flippant. The girl doing the cutting has had a long day and just wants to go home (and I remember when I had crap jobs like that...) so I'll usually just say something like "skirts", or "I don't know, but this was too pretty to pass up". Luckily for me, our local Renfest is a pretty popular event around here, and well advertised, so I can say "costumes for renfest" (even if it's really going to be a 17th century man's frock coat ) without getting strange looks or having to explain anything awkward. I'm sure that when I'm buying for multiple projects, historical or not, it can be hard to figure out what it's for, unlike the endless parade of grandmas buying fleece or prom fabrics. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 15:00:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ0mLd013187 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CJ0i9K009606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ0EWr052479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:00:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ07nQ071618; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CDpdrT061856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from int.omr ([172.20.50.104] helo=omr.tzo.com) by omr.tzo.com with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FpmpJ-0002TW-Kx for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:51:33 -0400 X-TZO-Forward: h-costume@indra.com Received: from 71.197.44.2 by omr.tzo.com id 2006061209513412583 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:51:34 GMT Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:48:40 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:51:33 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <005c01c68e27$50e82e20$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 In-Reply-To: <061220061340.4063.448D6EC80001DAD700000FDF22135753330809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Thread-Index: AcaOJhNH1m+sNjgUTm2kVY0XIMC59gAAPKEg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2006 13:48:40.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9872F10:01C68E26] X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=33% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5CDpdrT061856 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448DB9DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In the upper right corner is the search box; under it is the tag for advanced search. Click on this then the screen that comes up will have a list on the left that includes search for sellers- click on that, then enter the 'insaneseamstress' designation in the box. Hope this helps, Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 8:40 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff I'm interested, but don't know how ebay search works. Where would I go to enter your id? I've looked on a few pages, but they only show catagories to search. Thanks! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Kathy Page > All that lace I had mentioned I had a while back has finally made it onto E Bay, > along with some other stuff. If you're interested, look up my ID > insaneseamstress. I'll be pitching some other stuff up there soon as well. > > I have a whackload of Victorian patterns - all are intact, I traced off rather > than cut. Some may have notations on them in pencil - anyone interested in what > I have? I can inventory and photograph for those interested. Otherwise I'll toss > em on EBay as well. Some of my finished vic goods will be going this week too. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or > barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a > lion's head erased gules. > > Its never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 15:00:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ0xTR013191 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CJ0sRf013932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ0Xt0052572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ0TxG072043; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5CDebcs051934 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:40:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 69823 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 13:40:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vvY/p8VxTWq4Ev6psCwzLbV4NRYrWRyQeKh/sttkOn0AEDyM1oX9NCnddsZpB5gMibuvu1zXdz+U40p27sAvGlcQ3QbySEqsxp2JBLv+8hEFijP8HWtipkrME34FmNOHYWq764jkO6UBmhXhwm/lF3WX+2f5vMx+CqmQrGp8rQk= ; Message-ID: <20060612134030.69809.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:30 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606121317.k5CDHXBW032148@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Heirloom stuff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:00:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448DB9E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh if they were the originals, I wouldn't part with them. :-) They are modern patterns. NOT big 3 patt's - the kind that Five Rivers sells. :-) Kathy Kathy Page wrote: > > I have a whackload of Victorian patterns Are these patterns that were produced in the Victorian era or modern patterns of Victorian styles? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 476 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 15:02:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ2Iwg013222 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:02:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CJ2EDi002501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ21qV052986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ1v9h073653; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CFKqBb050880 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4a4.20e3fc5 (15901) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID94-3e1d448d864a1e2; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:20:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060612124918.33423.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060612124918.33423.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Heirloom stuff Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:20:42 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448DBA36.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5CJ2Iwg013222 Status: RO Kathy, I'd be interested in your Vic Patterns. What sizes? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 12, 2006, at 8:49 AM, Kathy Page wrote: > All that lace I had mentioned I had a while back has finally made it > onto E Bay, along with some other stuff. If you're interested, look up > my ID insaneseamstress. I'll be pitching some other stuff up there > soon as well. > > I have a whackload of Victorian patterns - all are intact, I traced > off rather than cut. Some may have notations on them in pencil - > anyone interested in what I have? I can inventory and photograph for > those interested. Otherwise I'll toss em on EBay as well. Some of my > finished vic goods will be going this week too. > > Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a > rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose > Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. > > Its never too late to be who you might have been. > -George Eliot > Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 15:04:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ3qTi013269 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:04:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CJ3mFN010927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:03:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ3JSp053247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:03:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ2vSB074615; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CGQGgx015370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27093 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FppF6-00058i-Ly for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <088101c68e3c$ef121740$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03c701c66a2d$eebb4240$9400a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: FFC website, call for fabric-related articles Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:26:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448DBA94.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Huh--that got burped out of nowhere. I'm still looking for both articles and beta testers, though. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 15:10:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJAj7u013418 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:10:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CJAesX001383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ9Dex054254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ9B0D081529; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:09:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net (fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ94pf081260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.58]) by fall-lakeland.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fpr5L-00005V-5Y for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:24:23 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.245.173.18.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.18]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fpr5K-00053P-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:24:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <448DABB6.5010802@reddawn.net> References: <448DABB6.5010802@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are you making with ... Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:26:20 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:10:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448DBC30.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Since I'm usually buying fabric for theatrical costumes, I'm happy to answer: "costumes for a play--we're doing [fill in blank]!" The salesperson hasn't always heard of the play ("Bartholomew Fair" drew a lot of blank stares), but is always engaged by the idea of talking to a "theater person." If there's no line waiting behind me, I'm willing to get into a discussion of any length the salesperson wants, and some of the conversations have been pretty long, actually. AND if I'm lucky (i.e., if asked "When are you doing it?" or "Where's the theater?"), I get to hand her or him a postcard advertising the show--so besides human contact there's that public-relations/advertising dimension. I say "salesperson" advisedly, because although a lot of my shopping is perforce at a Jo-Ann, my favorite mill-end store is run and staffed by a charming Arabic gentleman. My father was always delighted to talk to anybody. As a teenager I found it excruciatingly un-cool when he got into conversations with gas-station attendants, toll collectors, waiters and waitresses, janitors, and unknown passers-by, but I now understand what a wonderful thing it is to meet the world that eagerly, and I find myself emulating his spirit more and more. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 12, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Dawn wrote: > > I find it's not worth the effort most times to try and come up with > something flippant. The girl doing the cutting has had a long day and > just wants to go home (and I remember when I had crap jobs like > that...) so I'll usually just say something like "skirts", or "I don't > know, but this was too pretty to pass up". > > Luckily for me, our local Renfest is a pretty popular event around > here, and well advertised, so I can say "costumes for renfest" (even > if it's really going to be a 17th century man's frock coat ) without > getting strange looks or having to explain anything awkward. I'm sure > that when I'm buying for multiple projects, historical or not, it can > be hard to figure out what it's for, unlike the endless parade of > grandmas buying fleece or prom fabrics. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 16:37:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CKbFer016052 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:37:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CKbAAr019216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:37:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CKacbB068524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:36:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CKaLjq068612; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52110.mail.yahoo.com (web52110.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5CJ7Iai079493 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 98435 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2006 19:07:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wh9Qv0MXaWs/BFJb9r9FEoc8tFvngrvOe/LPWtksL5SFaW/kxp1jadenNYwhfVWsGboZ5GJ8viwHVpjpHKfyDXgT6ZQ2v5wpVaBxVgypgqiDXiwnYmNyVJ3klfyyxIJgDkBG2vsyzURN51EvpzG+i6MmoExPqgqJBiIzIgnbgFU= ; Message-ID: <20060612190705.98429.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52110.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:07:05 PDT Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:07:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5CJ7Iai079493 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Heirloom stuff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:37:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448DD076.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To make it simpler for everyone, I just piled a quick inventory onto my website: http://outoftheattic.homeip.net/Patterns%20for%20Sale.html If you are eager or in a hurry let me know. This week is kinda full to try and get a pic of each and every one but I can do some of them. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 18:58:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMw7r8022405 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:58:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CMw2v8011554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:58:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMvbQK091217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMvQO1099447; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMuw4A099017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:57:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27416 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FpvLF-0002pr-Eo for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:57:06 -0500 Message-ID: <089d01c68e73$81032cd0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c68e47$ee483690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: ribbon embroidery frame Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:56:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:58:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448DF17A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the ideas--I'll probably try all of them at least once! What I'll probably try first is basting folded strips of muslin on each side of the ribbon so that the muslin can be held in a frame (the kind that only holds your project on two sides), but the ends of the ribbon can be left free & flapping and I can stitch through the ribbon without worrying about catching anything. If that's too puckery, I'll try laying the ribbon on top of the muslin, sewing through both, and then just trimming the muslin enough so that it doesn't show around the edges when I sew the ribbon onto the gown or headwear. Actually now that I think about it, I'll probably try the second one first, since it sounds so much easier! For transfering the design, I'm going to try some self-adhesive water soluble stabilizer--there's a couple of varieties that are thick enough that I could just draw the design on the stabilizer, then rinse it away when I'm done. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 18:59:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMx5oJ022469 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:59:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CMx0hc011816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:59:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMwWTY091323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMwWao000609; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:58:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CMvslG099925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27423 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FpvMA-0002vW-IM for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:58:03 -0500 Message-ID: <08a301c68e73$a30b0730$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03c701c66a2d$eebb4240$9400a8c0@compaqub> <088101c68e3c$ef121740$dd00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] semi-OT: FFC website, call for fabric-related articles Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:57:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:59:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448DF1B4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Looks like it was a problem on my end, not the list--sorry, folks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" > Huh--that got burped out of nowhere. I'm still looking for both articles > and beta testers, though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 19:08:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CN8X7D023154 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:08:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CN8TLX014912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:08:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CN7wC4092723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CN7vTp009021; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CN7rfx008954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27430 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FpvVo-0003wO-Eu for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:08:01 -0500 Message-ID: <08b901c68e75$075b9c80$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200606121317.k5CDHXBX032148@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: loooong embroidery... 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "cahuff" > Have you looked at the Harrisville 'Friendly Loom' (I think that's what > it's called)? It has a front and back beam and uses a removable rigid > heddle....They are strong and hold up well to a number of non weaving > uses... Worth looking into! This reminds me--I've got a large (floor rather than table) inkle loom; I may see if I can figure out some way to set it up on that. The biggest problem there, though, is cat help. Toooooooo much cat help. I haven't been able to play with my inkle loom since I got cats, as it is apparently irresistable even when unwarped. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 19:19:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CNJMjZ023784 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:19:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5CNJHIM027612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:19:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CNGBaV094005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CNGAYV016121; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CNG5X7016042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:27432 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fpvdh-0004q2-OA for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:16:14 -0500 Message-ID: <08c501c68e76$2af45aa0$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <448DABB6.5010802@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] When the fabric shop employee asks "So what are youmaking with ... 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" > My father was always delighted to talk to anybody. As a teenager I > found it excruciatingly un-cool when he got into conversations with > gas-station attendants, toll collectors, waiters and waitresses, janitors, > and unknown passers-by, but I now understand what a wonderful thing it is > to meet the world that eagerly, and I find myself emulating his spirit > more and more. Ditto to both parts of that! Never would have thought I'd take on that particular characteristic, personally, as I'm still a confirmed introvert, but I find myself almost 'working the room' like my preacher father and politician grandpa. -E House (has spent hours talking to just one customer whilst working at a fabric store) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 22:22:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5D2MtMf032462 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5D2MoZW018068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:22:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ3aYS053341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CJ3Y8i075492; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:03:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5CHj5Y4095098 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:45:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6D6DEE058E; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:39:34 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: ribbon embroidery frame Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:45:01 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c68e47$ee483690$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <004701c68dc1$0d1c97a0$0501a8c0@nataliexp> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO You could make a Renaissance embroidery frame, rectangular. Two long pieces, joined by two shorter ones. The fabric is whip stitched between the long pieces. You have to keep removing the stitching and re-whipping it as you go along, but it would hold it well, and you don't have to worry about sewing into something underneath. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: ribbon embroidery frame How about clamping it to a large, sturdy picture frame with the back and glass taken out? Or maybe clamping it to a yard stick? I was thinking that would be similar to pinning to a pillow, but without the risk of embroidering onto the pillow. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving interfacing? I need some bright ideas. I'm planning to make my own goldwork embroidery trim, by embroidering some heavy silk satin ribbon; I'll be doing it both on some 5/8" wide and some 1" wide ribbon. The embroidery is going to be a continuous design, and longer than any frames I've seen, so I won't be able to fit it into a normal embroidery frame without wrecking it. I thought of pinning it to a pillow, but I can't figure out any practical way to do that without accidentally embroidering into the pillow itself. Ideas? Also, long ago I did graphic design for an embroidery company. To back the embroidery, one of the things they used was a type of interfacing that dissolved when sprayed with water. Does anyone know the name of this stuff, or brand names of something similar but perhaps a bit more substantial? The ribbon is black, and all the traditional methods I've experimented with to mark the design just did not work well; there's too much fiddly detail in the design for anything that actually shows up. I'm hoping to mark the design on an easily removeable interfacing instead. (My last ditch idea is to paint the design on, but that seems like it will take forever and make it really hard to accurately render the design.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 12 22:28:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5D2SsH3032628 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:28:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5D2Sors019857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5D2SMGG022599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5D2SHrS067306; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5D2SDIC067210 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4b8.13e8e12 (16087) for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID104-3ed7448e22ac360; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:27:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060609185924.77502.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <164a8cc5d36b6b2cf985b19550e65c32@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Scientific explaination of my addiction Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:27:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448E22E2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5D2SsH3032628 Status: RO LOVE it! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 9, 2006, at 2:59 PM, REBECCA BURCH wrote: > A recent study indicated that fabric gives off certain > Pheromones that actually hypnotize women and cause > them to purchase unreasonable amounts. When stored in > large quantities in enclosed spaces, the Pheromones > (in the fabric) cause memory loss and induce the > nesting syndrome (similar to the one squirrels have > before the onset of winter I.e. storing food), > therefore perpetuating their species, and not having a > population loss due to their kind being cut into > pieces and mixed with others. > > Sound tests have also revealed that these fabrics emit > a very high-pitched sound, heard only by a select few, > a breed of women known as "quilters". When played > backwards on an LP, the sounds are heard as chants, > "buy me, cut me, and sew me". In order to overcome the > so called "feeding frenzy effect" that these fabrics > cause, one must wear a face mask when entering a > storage facility and use ear plugs to avoid being > pulled into their grip. (One must laugh, however, at > the sight of customers in a fabric store, with WW2 > army gas masks and headphones!). > > Studies have also in dictated that aliens have > inhabited the earth, helping to spread the effects > that these fabrics have on the human population. They > are called FABRIC STORE CLERKS. It's also been > experienced that these same Pheromones cause a > pathological need to hide these fabric purchases when > taken home (or at least blend them into the existing > stash), and when asked by significant other if the > fabric is new, the reply is "I've had it for awhile." > > Written by Kathy Smith > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 09:45:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DDjTi0008221 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:45:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DDjOGZ012716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:45:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DDh8T9026620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DDh1t1062276; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DDgueA062175 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.180.91]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060613134250.DTIG16845.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:42:50 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.91]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060613134249.XMQW19332.ispmxaamta05-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:42:49 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060613083922.03080450@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:42:44 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5DDgueA062175 Subject: [h-cost] book of interest on dyes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:45:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448EC174.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This book is being offered at a very good pre-order discount by Amazon.. $81.90 (list price $130). The book is due out next month (July 30): 500 pages, 560 Illustrations. I pre-ordered a copy. Beth The following is the publisher's information: http://www.archetype.co.uk/ Natural Dyes by Dominique Cardon This authoritive resource is an expanded, corrected and updates translation of the award winning book Le Monde des Teintures Naturelles (published 2003, Belin,Paris). It is aimed at dyers, designers, artists, weavers, spinners, curators, conservators and restorers, museums, research institutions........ all those who have a professional or personal interest in or passion for colour. Drawing on many years of field and laboratory research, the author presents more than 300 plant and 30 animal dyes in a scientific and technical context within a handsome illustrated volume. Until the 19th century, natural dyes were the only sources for colouring textiles, leather, bone and ivory, wood, food, cosmetics etc. and were also part of many pigments of the artist's palette. Unlike modern synthetic dyes which, for financial and technical reasons have all but replaced them, natural dyes are not just the result of one particular colourant. They are a synergy of many substances with diverse chemical structures. While many may be colourless in the plant or animal, they are changed by the extraction and production processes into a myriad of colours of unsurpassable richness and subtlety. This title is due for publication autumn 2006 CONTENTS Part One - the Art of Dyeing 1. Dyeing methods through the Ages 2. Mordants : Discovery and methods Part Two - Dye Plants 3. Reds, violets, oranges 4. Anthraquinone red 5. A yellow world : plants containing flavanoids 6. The flavanoids which do not dye yellow 7. The yellows which are not flavanoids 8. From Cockagne to the cowboys : indigo plants 9. Beiges, greys, blacks, browns : tannin plants 10. Lichens and mushrooms for dyeing Part Three - Purple from shells and Red from insects 11. Purple : indigo molluscs 12. Red 'worms' and anthraquinones Appendix Colourants and their chemical structures ISBN: 190498200x £75.00 / $130.00 Hardback. 560 Illustrations _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 10:24:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DEOPaD016121 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DEOJbQ011301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DENuTs033410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DENsKn000293; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:23:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5DENoG9099983 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCJ7UUQA3PMJCJ for (sender ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LSRKFNJY; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:23:02 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:22:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] book of interest on dyes Message-ID: <20060613.072255.572.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-84 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 32:16:3790836440 X-MAIL-INFO: 532525717471b9c171d90da1d960812d5d551905945dd4dd40117938c484c485959d11bde5200020e45970e459f1b059f1b5bd04a1f5f90581a110b95105951024cdd51090913de51de5adf0f1e059e5b0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnfMPC7s3pL8y2uG2+vLVT8= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448ECA93.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Beth. May I forward this to other lists? Arlys On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:42:44 -0500 Beth and Bob Matney writes: > This book is being offered at a very good pre-order discount by > Amazon.. > $81.90 (list price $130). > > The book is due out next month (July 30): 500 pages, 560 > Illustrations. I > pre-ordered a copy. > > Beth > > The following is the publisher's information: > > http://www.archetype.co.uk/ > Natural Dyes by Dominique Cardon > This authoritive resource is an expanded, corrected and updates > translation > of the award winning book Le Monde des Teintures Naturelles > (published > 2003, Belin,Paris). It is aimed at dyers, designers, artists, > weavers, > spinners, curators, conservators and restorers, museums, research > institutions........ all those who have a professional or personal > interest > in or passion for colour. > Drawing on many years of field and laboratory research, the author > presents > more than 300 plant and 30 animal dyes in a scientific and technical > context within a handsome illustrated volume. > > Until the 19th century, natural dyes were the only sources for > colouring > textiles, leather, bone and ivory, wood, food, cosmetics etc. and > were also > part of many pigments of the artist's palette. Unlike modern > synthetic dyes > which, for financial and technical reasons have all but replaced > them, > natural dyes are not just the result of one particular colourant. > They are > a synergy of many substances with diverse chemical structures. While > many > may be colourless in the plant or animal, they are changed by the > extraction and production processes into a myriad of colours of > unsurpassable richness and subtlety. > This title is due for publication autumn 2006 > > CONTENTS > Part One - the Art of Dyeing > 1. Dyeing methods through the Ages > 2. Mordants : Discovery and methods > > Part Two - Dye Plants > 3. Reds, violets, oranges > 4. Anthraquinone red > 5. A yellow world : plants containing flavanoids > 6. The flavanoids which do not dye yellow > 7. The yellows which are not flavanoids > 8. From Cockagne to the cowboys : indigo plants > 9. Beiges, greys, blacks, browns : tannin plants > 10. Lichens and mushrooms for dyeing > > Part Three - Purple from shells and Red from insects > 11. Purple : indigo molluscs > 12. Red 'worms' and anthraquinones > > Appendix > Colourants and their chemical structures > > ISBN: 190498200x £75.00 / $130.00 > Hardback. 560 Illustrations > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 11:57:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DFvmdR019355 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:57:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DFvhnH007865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:57:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DFvJ8S050922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DFvGLe099284; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5DFvBqB099184 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 6244 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 16:07:53 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 09:07:53 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1098.67.174.246.110.1150214336.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060613083922.03080450@mail.alltel.net> References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060613083922.03080450@mail.alltel.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] book of interest on dyes From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:57:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448EE077.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > This book is being offered at a very good pre-order discount by Amazon.. > $81.90 (list price $130). > > The book is due out next month (July 30): 500 pages, 560 Illustrations. I > pre-ordered a copy. > > Beth Beth, you are EVIL!! I have dabbled in natural dyeing and this book sounds absolutely divine! I ordered a copy, too. How could I not order one when it is $50 off and has free shipping?! Guess I will have to work some overtime...sigh.... Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 12:44:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DGiOAQ021247 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:44:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DGiINT020693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:44:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DGhLQB058604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DGhC8n045969; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DGh2or045732 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.481.32b0ace (41809) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <481.32b0ace.31c04503@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:42:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] book of interest on dyes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:44:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448EEB62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/13/2006 9:44:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bmatney@alltel.net writes: This book is being offered at a very good pre-order discount by Amazon.. $81.90 (list price $130). The book is due out next month (July 30): 500 pages, 560 Illustrations. I pre-ordered a copy. Oh, you are evil! Another book I HAVE to have! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 15:28:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJSF9c027498 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:28:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DJSADJ030011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:28:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJQO3w085298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJPlKK005535; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJPNj7005156 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so2213850pyg for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:25:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=s0ssnmZvA+9k1Kc7O8gVWgm///6dAurd0Nz/CmYP2UKkrAflR54k6ikI/uXKqKVJyPz9IU+bdcnbIVGDfLwr7odHan3GBs4u+8YDDRzgYNzBZBzSRxHMZIhisUXrSeAe62WUSOsMY9vXN5OvgfDq3eTAqyonSZwdZljJls82EXg= Received: by 10.35.99.5 with SMTP id b5mr6355560pym; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:25:19 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448F11CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO First of all, I'd better confess that I'm a spy-fi, spy-fact fan-girl. I just picked up a fabulous book called "Master of Disguise" written by the CIA's Cold War expert on legends & graphics. A "legend" is euphemistic term for a cover story used by agents, handlers, defectors, etc. The graphics dept ensures that the cover story is substantiated by suitable supporting documents, such as photos, receipts, pocket change, travel tickets and official documents including, when necessary, alterations & forgeries. The author, Antonio Mendez, was awarded one the the Agency's 50 Trailblazer awards at the 50 year Anniversary of the Agency. The book is full of fascinating details observing & recreating dress, manner, style in a world where playing the role you're assigned really can be a matter of life & death. And, in related, news, one of my favorite DC museums, the International Spy Museum, has entire sections on legends, graphics and specially modified clothing used by the CIA, allied agencies and "The Loyal Opposition". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 15:46:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJkF18028271 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:46:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DJkBQr004079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJjtLQ087949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJjl7N023613; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:45:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DJjNIv023252 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so2218173pyg for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:45:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=k98lIdvV+bvAUV81w9rVvOy87pc6FrLYUsORvCHb4cJioAhbIQENYOPyorXH7EDkWPAq4SceupzozjOObxS+vuRi2Wq2aAGbfQNzKi3ZbLB3KWq+Fncxf89kYSjs3NhRmwoIqjPC0m8P2ivZ34OWCKGnVZtN2yATB+q8vHF9KzQ= Received: by 10.35.50.9 with SMTP id c9mr3384283pyk; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 12:45:22 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448F1603.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:48:59 -0500 > From: "E House" > Subject: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame, & water-dissolving > interfacing? > Also, long ago I did graphic design for an embroidery company. To back the embroidery, one of the things they used was a type of interfacing that dissolved when sprayed with water. Does anyone know the name of this stuff, or brand names of something similar but perhaps a bit more substantial? Google "tear-away heat-away stabilizer" and you should find Taunton Press' quick ref on stabilizers. There are wash-away versions, too & while I have some in my embroidery machine's stash, I havent used it yet. I use Tearaway and Heat-Away, these are the brandnames. > The ribbon is black, and all the traditional methods I've experimented with to mark the design just did not work well; there's too much fiddly detail in the design for anything that actually shows up. I'm hoping to mark the design on an easily removeable interfacing instead. (My last ditch idea is to paint the design on, but that seems like it will take forever and make it really hard to accurately render the design.) > > -E House I would embroider the major elements first... whatever gives the repeat length fairly quickly. My suspicion is that you're stuck doing it by hand perhaps with pins denoting the repeat. I had to do this for both of my Victorian beaded & waterfall chokers as they were on royal purple & black, respectively. FWIW, I didnt frame them, I just did them free-hanging. I'm a lifetime lap-quilter so this is not a surprise given what I'm used to and the fact that the beads cant be sandwiched in a frame. Yards of embroidered ribbon?! You have more patience than I. Zowie. Whatcha goin' to do with it? --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 16:10:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKAjmf028988 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:10:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DKAfo9013161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:10:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DK9Uoe093021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DK9Nba045741; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DK9HHV045601 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:09:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2fd.65ca156 (29672) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2fd.65ca156.31c07562@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:09:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:10:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448F1BC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/13/2006 3:28:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: First of all, I'd better confess that I'm a spy-fi, spy-fact fan-girl. **************** Cool! I love the Cold War. Well, love is the wrong term, but you know what I mean. I much prefer intrigue, espionage, sneaking around and intellectual games to things blowing up and shooting everyone in sight [although that sometimes goes along with it all]. I remember the 15 or so part documentary about the Cold War on PBS fondly [I wonder if it's on DVD?] and can enjoy the entertainment the conflict inspired from the campy [James Bond and The Avengers] to the more realistic and cynical ["Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" and "Game, Set, and Match"]. Documentaries like "Blind Man's Bluff" are infinitely fascinating especially now that we can also get the Soviet POV. I must check out the museum! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 16:26:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKQnb8029390 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:26:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DKQiU1019357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKQQdx095698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKQLdP061810; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKQGOu061666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.245] (209-148-118-245.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.245]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5DKQDSK025308 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:26:14 -0700 Message-ID: <448F1F68.8010509@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:26:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise References: <2fd.65ca156.31c07562@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2fd.65ca156.31c07562@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:26:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448F1F84.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Cool! I love the Cold War. Well, love is the wrong term, but you know what I > mean. I much prefer intrigue, espionage, sneaking around and intellectual > games to things blowing up and shooting everyone in sight [although that > sometimes goes along with it all]. OT: My mother was a decoder of enemy messages during WW2, which she loved. My father was a nuclear physicist/engineer for Admiral Rickover's submarine project during the Cold War, which he didn't love--at least, not the Admiral. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 16:30:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKUXti029510 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:30:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DKUTiq009703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:30:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKUEFx096857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKU9ZB065841; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DKTvau065647 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:30:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-62-55.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.55.62]) by pop-1.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k5DKZPQF029665 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:35:26 -0500 Message-ID: <448F20AF.8060306@wideopenwest.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:31:43 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise References: <2fd.65ca156.31c07562@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2fd.65ca156.31c07562@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448F2065.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The best Cold War film I've ever seen was John le Carré's "Smiley's People". Outstanding! Alec Guinness was a magnificent George Smiley. The movie is intelligent and engaging. I bought the DVD set as soon as it became available. Okay, I bought "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" as well. Incredible productions. Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 17:07:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL7Kc4030406 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DL7FKn002299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:07:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL6dj4002789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL6Zrg099707; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL6U0k099499 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.41]) by ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060613210559.TSYQ21115.ispmxmta05-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:05:59 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.41]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060613210558.QZWK21950.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:05:58 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060613160034.0269cec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:05:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] book of interest on dyes In-Reply-To: <200606131801.k5DI1JZx024550@net.indra.com> References: <200606131801.k5DI1JZx024550@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:07:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448F2904.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sure. Forward as much as you wish. Most of the email was the publisher's info. Books are my major weakness (though you should see the size of my fabric stash). I'm perfectly willing to help spread the disease... Beth At 01:01 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:22:53 -0700 >From: Cynthia J Ley > >Hi Beth. > >May I forward this to other lists? > >Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 17:08:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8lRk030450 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:08:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DL8gh6008765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:08:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8URv002996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8TuF001536; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8Q3C001435 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0470.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.215]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BB131953B for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:08:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:08:24 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ribbon embroidery frame References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060613210820.52BB131953B@pelian.kabelfoon.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:08:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 448F295A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I made a ribbon embroidery frame myself for embroidering the ribbon for my weddingdress. http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent/16woman/Weddingdress/Emdevice.jpg http://www.deredere.dds.nl/16thcent/16woman/Weddingdress/weddingdress.html They aren't very hard to make. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 17:21:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLLUSn030854 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:21:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DLLPd0018667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:21:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLLFot004956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLLBdH013044; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLL6UA012896 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.307.6013317 (29672) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <307.6013317.31c08637@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:20:55 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT...spys X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448F2C55.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is a trilogy by Len Deighton entitled "Berlin Game", "Mexico Set", and "London Match". Very LeCarre with moles, a spy they want to turn to their side, jumping from city to city, and family ties coldly used to manipulate everyone. They made a miniseries out of it with Ian Holm starring but I haven't seen it on DVD. The books are out there though. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 17:31:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLUrhl031212 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:30:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5DLUnWW021437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLU7H9006290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLU5mJ021384; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DLU1bf021211 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B113B63A for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:29:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <448F2E5E.6060204@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:30:06 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:30:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 448F2E89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, and I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? I've tried ironing the dickens out of it, and wetting it, without much luck. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 21:14:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1E6iX004781 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:14:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5E1E2o2008103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:14:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1DOl2048655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1DFt4002292; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1D8Vu002097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5E35JRb028724 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:05:20 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:23:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <448F2E5E.6060204@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <448F2E5E.6060204@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200606132023.54477.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:14:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 448F62DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 13 June 2006 5:30 pm, Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, and > I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > I've tried ironing the dickens out of it, and wetting it, without much > luck. > I usually find that a combination of steam, gentle spritzing with water and ironing works to remove creases from silk. Probably you need to use a higher setting than the iron makers typically recommend (I usually use the same one I use for wools). If the silk wasn't so expensive that experimenting will traumatize you, experiment a little. If it was, consider talking to a friendly drycleaner and asking assistance/advice. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 21:22:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1MBZP005061 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:22:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5E1M6eQ019126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1Luxh051145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1Lteh009861; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aardvark.edurostream.com (aardvark.edurostream.com [206.83.243.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1Lp0c009801 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sue@victorianmillinery.com) Received: from D7W6QR21 (unverified [141.157.154.213]) by aardvark.edurostream.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 6.1.20) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:22:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c68f50$e33cdc10$2f01a8c0@D7W6QR21> From: "Sue" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:21:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:22:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 448F64BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Mendez is now a famous artist in Frederick, MD. His life has been very interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise > First of all, I'd better confess that I'm a spy-fi, spy-fact fan-girl. > > I just picked up a fabulous book called "Master of Disguise" written > by the CIA's Cold War expert on legends & graphics. A "legend" is > euphemistic term for a cover story used by agents, handlers, > defectors, etc. The graphics dept ensures that the cover story is > substantiated by suitable supporting documents, such as photos, > receipts, pocket change, travel tickets and official documents > including, when necessary, alterations & forgeries. The author, > Antonio Mendez, was awarded one the the Agency's 50 Trailblazer awards > at the 50 year Anniversary of the Agency. > > The book is full of fascinating details observing & recreating dress, > manner, style in a world where playing the role you're assigned really > can be a matter of life & death. > > And, in related, news, one of my favorite DC museums, the > International Spy Museum, has entire sections on legends, graphics and > specially modified clothing used by the CIA, allied agencies and "The > Loyal Opposition". > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 21:24:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1OLeu005102 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:24:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5E1OGoO002364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:24:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1O3wq051555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1O2pE011573; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:5x+MwS/EDsuzGKzn5sCaczWWoYNS7c1l@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1Nx5H011516 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.166] (206-124-5-166.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.166]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5E1JSM03664 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:19:28 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200606132023.54477.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <448F2E5E.6060204@reddawn.net> <200606132023.54477.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4898181937aa8a38fa1994445a337b27@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:24:00 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:24:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448F6540.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You can also try the vinegar/water trick. Sylrog On Jun 13, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > On Tuesday 13 June 2006 5:30 pm, Dawn wrote: >> I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, >> and >> I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? >> I've tried ironing the dickens out of it, and wetting it, without much >> luck. >> > I usually find that a combination of steam, gentle spritzing with > water and > ironing works to remove creases from silk. Probably you need to use a > higher > setting than the iron makers typically recommend (I usually use the > same one > I use for wools). If the silk wasn't so expensive that experimenting > will > traumatize you, experiment a little. > > If it was, consider talking to a friendly drycleaner and asking > assistance/advice. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." > --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 13 21:54:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E1sjOr005878 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:54:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5E1sevg013370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:54:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8j3q003037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8idO001791; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5DL8fe8001639 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.26b.b4ea54c (29672) for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:08:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <26b.b4ea54c.31c08351@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 448F6C60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/13/2006 4:31:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mplumb@wideopenwest.com writes: Okay, I bought "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy" as well. ********************** It's even BETTER than "Smiley's People"! It comes 1st in the Smiley trilogy. [the 3rd book wasn't made into a miniseries...was it?] Actually...now that I think about it, Smiley is a player in "The Spy who Came in From the Cold". An excellent film. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 02:19:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E6JtOl019265 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:19:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5E6Jot7027057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E6J7HH096442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E6J2MF034077; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E6IvSC034018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 00:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.246] (209-148-118-246.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5DLs6Y8000631 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: <448F3400.6070806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:54:08 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? 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Status: RO If you mean crinkle silk, I think it's currently in style for gypsy skirts--you might try just making a skirt(s) or trading with someone who wants a crinkle skirt. I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, and > I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > I've tried ironing the dickens out of it, and wetting it, without much > luck. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 04:00:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E80nMM010439 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:00:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5E80iZj022593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:00:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E80LiL013244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:00:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E80IaV014142; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:00:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5E80DFJ014092 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:00:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0C6105805F4; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:54:46 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? 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Status: RO I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? If you mean crinkle silk, I think it's currently in style for gypsy skirts--you might try just making a skirt(s) or trading with someone who wants a crinkle skirt. I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, > and > I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > I've tried ironing the dickens out of it, and wetting it, without much > luck. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 12:32:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EGWNgV001059 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:32:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EGWHj2010330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:32:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EGU8ZH099344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EGPqc1037946; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EGPf6K037663 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osmanthus@comcast.net) Received: from amypc (c-24-63-230-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.63.230.36]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060614161020m1400e9gh1e>; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:10:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c68fcd$0897c6b0$6501a8c0@AmyPC> From: "Amy Butler Greenfield" To: References: <200606131801.k5DI1JZx024550@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:10:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: book of interest on dyes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44903A11.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> http://www.archetype.co.uk/ >> Natural Dyes by Dominique Cardon Wonderful! I read some of Cardon's work in French when I was researching my history of cochineal. She's a marvelous scholar, and she has a deep knowledge of natural dyes. It's great to see that her work is being translated. Amy G. Amy Butler Greenfield www.amybutlergreenfield.com cochineal@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 13:15:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHFx0K002304 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:15:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EHFswV000899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHFS0H007162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:15:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHFNR8089974; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:15:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHFHjZ089846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FqYu3-000651-W9 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:11:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] treadle machines In-Reply-To: <200606091920.PAA12315@alexander.concentric.com> Message-ID: References: <200606091920.PAA12315@alexander.concentric.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4490444A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Since people are talking treadle machines... A dear friend of mine is selling a treadle machine and cabinet. It belonged to her husband's grandmother. The machine seems to be in good shape, the cabinet needs some restoration work. The catch is that you'd have to come pick it up in Minneapolis, or I could deliver it if you aren't too far away. Best reasonable offer. Her husband is supposed to take pictures of it for me but I don't have those yet. It's not a brand I recognize which is why I don't remember what it is. ;-) So, if you're interested, e-mail me and I'll pass the info along. Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 13:56:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHuvIB003473 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:56:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EHuqFh011218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHuUOi013165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHteGA029602; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHtYPJ029460 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:55:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so2564482pyg for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ngGsvB0P4nIR3E50OTkUDe0Xzib5TcG5Iypbp7P2hXbvTIjaDf0wnJtW0RKmjp03upmb77mI53QLLgIKyWVQN4R+7vKHi4EgFK/Hd4KNX1FwmLJAfjBcQbXUZx59V8SSAl6wc/uQjIV1DnW9SI/ITUX2yY1j7YNqBsXgA9jX1y0= Received: by 10.35.45.14 with SMTP id x14mr1429173pyj; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:55:33 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Washington DC -- American Indian Museum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44904DE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Every time I visit DC I try to run downtown & see what they've done to my hometown. The newest addition to the Smithsonian is the American Indian Museum. It's very pretty. I was curious how they'd manage to museum a cultural that is less material and more into ephemeral arts. Well, it's mostly new stuff, or old techniques such as basketweaving or beadwork done with a twist. Oh sure, lots of hi-quality stuff here & while I was amused by the "Workbasket from recycled plastic miniblinds", tho joke was only funny once. In the beadwork section there were some phenomenal 19th & early 20th c wearables such as hats. We spent lots of time in this section. There is so much stuff, that there are drawers for visitors to pull out. It's like shopping! A new surprise item or 20 in every drawer. There are some beautiful, beautiful boats on the ground floor, but too pretty to be used. They're clearly art pieces not everyday working tools. The restaurant makes a huge effort to serve only food from pre-Industrial cultures all over North and Central America. We dined on Quinoa salad, Indian corn pudding, a turkey tamal (no cumin!), and a dish of squashes & new world beans. Lovely! Unfortunately, I didnt get very far into the museum before I had to run catch my plane. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 14:00:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EI0KeE003584 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EI0FqV013777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:00:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHxdC0013505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHxcNT033729; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EHtEOf029171 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.168] (pm5-168.eos.net [205.133.149.168]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5EHa2u3026775 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:36:02 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:22:11 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200606141650.k5EGoAc1064093@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: The Shadow X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44904EAF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just watched the 1994 film "The Shadow" with my kids. An enjoyable movie -- although Penelope Ann Miller focuses on looking gorgeous rather than acting -- and fabulous 1930s costumes and sets. P.A.M. as Margot Lane had a small but amazing wardrobe. My 9-year-old son thought she looked awful! Ha ha. Alec Baldwin, as Lamont Cranston, just looked amazing. All he had to do was stand up or turn around -- any kind of movement -- and his clothes looked fabulous! And the guy who played the villain, Something Lone, had fantastic Mongol-inspired clothes too. Are there any costume sites or books about this movie? I tried a Google search but my computer is slow and "shadow" brings up a whole lot of other movies and things. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 14:31:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIVtBP004462 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:31:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EIVoSu026913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:31:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIVeeg018403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIVET7066061; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIUf7F065443 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E8963C86E for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:30:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: The Shadow Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:30:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:31:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44905616.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I found the movie through google "1994 The Shadow Movie" but had no time to search for costume pictures. Though there is a "Fan" site that might have a gallery. De -----Original Message----- Are there any costume sites or books about this movie? I tried a Google search but my computer is slow and "shadow" brings up a whole lot of other movies and things. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 14:35:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIZSni004569 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:35:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EIZN5u019553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:35:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIZCpq019085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIYKf5069702; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EIYClm069528 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55d0.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.208]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F5428A0037 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:34:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c68fe1$28b9b2f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:34:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wigs /Suzi Clark X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:35:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449056EB.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, sorry for this personal. I just wondered if Suzi reatches this. I made an enquiry for a wig by Derek Easton, and noticed that he has a link to Suzi Clarke, if anybody wants to purchase costumes. I have heard so many phraises of his work with wigs, and wondered if you Suzi knows about his prises? Are they very expensive or affordable? I want a nice wig made for me, not in human hair, i cant afford that, but a nice good quality wig, wondered if it is expensive? Sorry for this a little off topic! 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Status: RO >Are there any costume sites or books about this movie? I tried a Google >search but my computer is slow and "shadow" brings up a whole lot of other >movies and things. First go to IMdB.com (Internet Movie dataBase). Search there for The Shadow, and, because there are multiple results, go to the 1994 one. The "The Shadow" page doesn't have its own photo gallery as many more recent film pages have, but there are photo links in the side bar on the left. Have fun. (Wrong Baldwin for me...) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 15:20:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EJK0AH005807 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:20:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EJJt8e011078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:19:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EJJfvt028839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EJJa7J016890; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:19:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EJJRYF016770 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpinto@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=tzOt135jvOzWhjC4ZbQ+h5zclAIIdE/4HEOT+5Pzz9ZhBd9YBDrUkt9MEWibHNeE; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.65.239.175] (helo=HELENPINTO) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fqati-0007NH-U6 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:19:27 -0400 Message-ID: <021301c68fe7$6f4e2f10$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> From: "Helen Pinto" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: The Shadow Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:19:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: f3dec0b0682ec1505e89bb4777695beb69025943178dce0bd3545b72388ffef5d4faa1a7beacbc70350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.65.239.175 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:19:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4490615B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Gail wrote: > Are there any costume sites or books about this movie? Here's a link to a photo gallery from the movie (from IMDB): http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/1994/Shadow/ -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 17:31:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ELVSBk010788 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:31:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5ELVNm3031923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:31:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ELUrrE051320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ELUCxM043405; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:30:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ELU8Bw043260 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:30:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from argenthal@comcast.net) Received: from computer (c-69-142-192-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net[69.142.192.249]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20060614213002m15003dpb9e>; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:30:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c68ff9$b283ab40$f9c08e45@COMPUTER> From: "Valerie Frank" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:30:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] RE: The Shadow X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4490802B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5ELVSBk010788 Status: RO Try the Internet Movie Database for information on almost any movie ever made. I think it is www.imdb.com. Anna von Argnthal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 14 18:08:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EM8fEu012076 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:08:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EM8bBT012612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:08:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EM3NrD056103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EM3FD0072604; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:03:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5EM356U072342 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.263.b6722f8 (63000) for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:02:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <263.b6722f8.31c1e17b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:02:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Washington DC -- American Indian Museum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:08:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449088E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/14/2006 2:41:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: Unfortunately, I didnt get very far into the museum before I had to run catch my plane. ********************* Alas! The place is beautiful all over....even before you walk in. The rounded undulating yellow rough hewn rock exterior has waterfalls and pools and is landscaped in maize and tobacco. Even though most of the stuff was made in the 20th century, it all reeks of tradition. I started on the top floor where the exhibits about the individual tribes and their views of the universe are. Tons of garments in every display. Many amazing articles of clothing there. My favorite is a parka from a northwestern Canadian tribe made of seal intestine. It looks just like a hooded parka you might find anywhere except it's composed of translucent horizontal strips...like wax paper. Probably waterproof as well. Also high on my list were these poncho-like shirts from a tribe in Brazil woven to shape in cotton with bands and areas of intricate geometric raised designs woven right in...white on white. Just beautiful. Not everything is modern though. Some Renaissance stuff may be found. I checked out the displays concerning the European "invasion". Lots of Conquistador swords. There's a whole wall of early Bibles printed in Indian languages....as there is also a whole wall of names of tribes that no longer exist at all. Some we know absolutely nothing about but the name. But I too had to leave before I did the whole museum. It's a unique museum with a singular style of displaying the goods. I highly recommend it! Across the Mall in the American History museum [I think] was an exhibit of pre-Columbian gold artifacts. That pure gold is amazing. It really glitters and looks like you could mash the masks and nose ornaments into a ball. 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Status: RO Katheryne immediately jumps up and retrieves her VCR copy of the movie. According to the tape cover it was released by MCA Universal Home Video. 'The Shadow' is a registered trademark of Advance Magazine Publishers, Inc. ..... That's Strange.... No website or even anything on further info. Maybe trying through MCA Universal web page might help. I would advise against looking on web sites that are for the Old Time Radio Show - most people who like the radio shows didn't like the move --- and vise versa. Sorry I can't help you on anything else. Katheryne who has her own version of a 'Shadow' ring ----- Original Message ----- > >Are there any costume sites or books about this movie? I tried a > Google search but my computer is slow and "shadow" brings up a > whole lot of other movies and things. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 15 02:56:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5F6uaRE022107 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:56:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5F6uW2C023370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:56:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5F6uDos023704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5F6u7nq070785; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:56:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5F6u3RG070690 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91883 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2006 06:55:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XLsp27bt52Vmrm8EbEmmr7Vdnx4tbKwMoXGYmcfoVUsmYtjiixQpBc9nCp71ZMInxttgaZxsnPp2nmgAivBRUEqWpWBqJ/LLZK9zGrGuo1mDB9UYb98AYifod7DbilGTL2M6dAQuA7vf7G/Pq0AiYa9zI4jotYkOfHGNRZVZh2g= ; Message-ID: <20060615065557.91881.qmail@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.160.107.189] by web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:55:57 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? 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Status: RO Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the "secret" reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely.... when I did hair ages ago we "air neutralized" the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted "relaxed a bit" or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,....volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.....nothing to loose. Melody "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -----Original Message----- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, > and > I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > > > > Dawn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO So if you wanted to pleat silk, you would saturate with permanent wave solution, then rinse with plain water? Or would you let it air dry? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the "secret" reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely.... when I did hair ages ago we "air neutralized" the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted "relaxed a bit" or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,....volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.....nothing to loose. Melody "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -----Original Message----- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, > and > I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > > > > Dawn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Status: RO How does one set pleats in silk? I'm working on a German gown (mid 1500's or so) for an 18" doll that has the sharp crisp looking pleats from bodice to floor. I plan the skirt to be 4 panels, wider at the bottom than the top and since the silk I'm using is blouse weight, I was going to line with linen. The linen I know i can steam press the pleats, but how will that work with the silk? Can I use vinegar in the steam? alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 15 17:46:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FLkSUM017597 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5FLkNPY020805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:46:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FLhudL066995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FLhbbw089524; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FLhW1O089381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fqzcf-0002mT-0x; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:43:29 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:43:28 -0400 Message-ID: <20060615174328.8df568yrgg848sw4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:43:28 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Alexandria Doyle : > How does one set pleats in silk? > > I'm working on a German gown (mid 1500's or so) for an 18" doll that > has the sharp crisp looking pleats from bodice to floor. I plan the > skirt to be 4 panels, wider at the bottom than the top and since the > silk I'm using is blouse weight, I was going to line with linen. The > linen I know i can steam press the pleats, but how will that work with > the silk? Can I use vinegar in the steam? I think it was on the German Ren list, but they've actually been discussing this very topic -- backwards. The answer that I saw, (and I can dig out the posts if you're interested -- or you can hit yahoo yourself) is Permanent Solution. Yeah, like for your hair. They're both Protein (silk and hair), and you want to "reshape" the fibers into a particular pattern. I'd try a piece first and see what happens. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 15 19:42:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FNgrMP022476 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:42:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5FNgmvd024739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:42:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FNgODc086580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FNgMBl085989; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:42:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep01.xtra.co.nz (fep01.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5FNgHRZ085886 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:42:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.163.60]) by fep01.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060615234210.ZCUJ9780.fep01.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:42:10 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.0/366]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:42:18 +1200 Message-ID: <003901c690d5$56bba650$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <870801590606151351h73d82e7br77cfe74b0c872973@mail.gmail.com> <20060615174328.8df568yrgg848sw4@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] setting pleats in silk Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:42:17 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:42:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4491F078.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > How does one set pleats in silk? > I think it was on the German Ren list, but they've actually been > discussing this very topic -- backwards. The answer that I saw, (and I > can dig out the posts if you're interested -- or you can hit yahoo > yourself) is Nope, it was this list as well;) So you'd have to look in recent h-cost posting, or your deleted items if you have been on the list for a week or so already for this heading: "RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk?" >> I'm working on a German gown (mid 1500's or so) for an 18" doll that >> has the sharp crisp looking pleats from bodice to floor. I plan the >> skirt to be 4 panels, wider at the bottom than the top and since the >> silk I'm using is blouse weight, I was going to line with linen. The >> linen I know i can steam press the pleats, but how will that work with >> the silk? Can I use vinegar in the steam? Aside from all the advice given, I also know there is a way to set crinkles using the microwave and perm solution. I'll dig it out and see if it's been transfered to a new site... Darn, the site is down. But it may still be on the LOTR costume site. http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/makingem/Tips/CrushSilk.htm If you can work some way of keeping the pleats even it might be ideal for setting fabric for a dolls dress. I wouldn't recommend lining it in linen though, maybe self lined would be better Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO > Aside from all the advice given, I also know there is a way to set crinkles > using the microwave and perm solution. I'll dig it out and see if it's been > transfered to a new site... > Darn, the site is down. But it may still be on the LOTR costume site. > http://www.alleycatscratch.com/lotr/makingem/Tips/CrushSilk.htm > > If you can work some way of keeping the pleats even it might be ideal for > setting fabric for a dolls dress. I wouldn't recommend lining it in linen > though, maybe self lined would be better > > Michaela de Bruce > http://glittersweet.com I was hoping I missed something besides the perm solution. I just can't see purchasing a full perm for one blouse worth of silk, and the method with the microwave, sounds like a lot of trouble (as well as toxic) for such a small piece. I'll have to see what steam setting does for it I guess. As to the lining, there isn't enough of the silk to self line, as well as I don't think it would give the body that I want. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 01:26:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5G5QHWu001609 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:26:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5G5QCwS002306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:26:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5G5PfrB030441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5G5Pa82021527; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5G5PW0s021422 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49545 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 05:25:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pmxXPGcLunQS+eomEepsYGbIaDqezeeis4PnM3JjPb0ql5a+OE6LMe5FGQhmaqmSXsvdRwuPmOynNCmXBU7awbtyu2XvBSA4bEjdmgP4pLE2WYz572askozzQ8yawrjV9DVGhXWaGfxM1hoPDWY4HEYX7p8rB2S70J46C0jZOec= ; Message-ID: <20060616052527.49543.qmail@web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.160.107.189] by web36601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:25:27 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? 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Status: RO yeah,if you dampen the fabric make sure you squeeze almost all the moisture out, copious amounts of water in the fabric won't help the solution to work.At "ye Olde beauty College" we just let it "convert" in the air, perm solution has a "shelf life "of only so many hrs, then the chemicals break down and stop processing . So I'd say let it go, then rinse if you wish... the "crinkles"won't come back, if washed. you don't need the super fancy perm solution, you can buy it by the gallon (we did) for a few bucks, or just get the cheapest one out there,I'd go to the beauty supply store. Cut a square ,try it out....see if you like the results before commiting to the whole shebang. "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: So if you wanted to pleat silk, you would saturate with permanent wave solution, then rinse with plain water? Or would you let it air dry? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melody Watts Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? Another costumer and board mod is/was a costumer for the theater and movies. Pleated silk was recently discussed ,and the "secret" reveled...since silk is a protien -like hair- the material is prepleated ,secured with rubber bands and dipped in ...permanent wave solution! it sets the pleats---permanetely.... when I did hair ages ago we "air neutralized" the solution by just letting it air dry on the rollers,so no peroxide was involved to bleach out the hair. Don't see why this can't be done for silk. Sometimes, people would come in with a really tight perm the wanted "relaxed a bit" or totally removed. We would saturate the hair with wave solution, comb the hair straight,process and rinse,....volia! ...straight hair again. This could work for the material,may require you using a long flat water proof surface,some inexpensive perm solution, and a bit of patience wetting and smoothing those wrinkles. I'd chop off a small piece and try.....nothing to loose. Melody "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: I remember my costume prof in college showing us a Fortuny silk dress. It was permanantly pleated and you could ball it up and it would still be in pleats ages later. When it first came out, it was a big deal and the process was a closely guarded secret (according to my teacher). -----Original Message----- To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help for removing creases in silk? snip I believe that for a good crinkle silk a chemical process is involved, but don't know the details. Fran Dawn wrote: > I bought some of that pleated silk that was popular a few years ago, > and I'd like to remove the creases. Does anyone know how this can be done? > Dawn > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 10:59:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GExM1Y019834 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:59:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GExHL0024488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:59:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GEwsgH021082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GEwriM031257; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GEwlO7031159 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13017 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:58:46 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:56:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Simplicity early autumn catalog Thread-Index: AcaQxciDqwB+WkPZQBy+VJiuwgckqAAjim8g From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5GEwlO7031159 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4492C745.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It may not be at your local fabric store yet, but is up at www.simplicity.com This is for those of us who wait for those $1.99 pattern sales because we want to put all of our ever-shrinking optional funds into fabric and trims. The new early Autumn catalog is up and there are a few patterns of interest. One appears to be a modified take on Johnny Depp's costume in "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" Another is a kimono pattern(may be older pattern with a new number and the same for a Colonial/Marie Antoinette(Sophia Coppola film due out this fall.) Cut on gown is definitely modern--hope Martha McCain or someone has more accurate patterns out soon! There is also a circa 1895 ball gown that looks decent from the small online pic. McCalls, Butterick and Vogue still have Summer 2006 catalogs up. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 11:32:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFW0k2020985 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:32:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GFVt8B009216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFQMwH025305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFQJTq055673; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFQF58055543 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060616152609m14000k3sue>; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:26:09 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:26:07 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:26:07 +0000 Message-Id: <061620061526.29027.4492CD8F000AA9780000716322007613940809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:31:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4492CEEB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And JoAnne's has the Simplicity patterns on sale $1.99 right now... Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Abel, Cynthia" > > > It may not be at your local fabric store yet, but is up at > www.simplicity.com > > This is for those of us who wait for those $1.99 pattern sales because > we want to put all of our ever-shrinking optional funds into fabric and > trims. > > > The new early Autumn catalog is up and there are a few patterns of > interest. > > One appears to be a modified take on Johnny Depp's costume in "Willie > Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" > > Another is a kimono pattern(may be older pattern with a new number and > the same for a Colonial/Marie Antoinette(Sophia Coppola film due out > this fall.) Cut on gown is definitely modern--hope Martha McCain or > someone has more accurate patterns out soon! > > There is also a circa 1895 ball gown that looks decent from the small > online pic. > > McCalls, Butterick and Vogue still have Summer 2006 catalogs up. > > Cindy Abel > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 11:36:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFaHBe021159 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:36:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GFaCwD009250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:36:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFZxoj027107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFZwfF064451; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GFZt2A064306 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CEEA6D94 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:35:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4492CFEA.3040107@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:36:10 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog References: <061620061526.29027.4492CD8F000AA9780000716322007613940809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <061620061526.29027.4492CD8F000AA9780000716322007613940809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4492CFEC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > And JoAnne's has the Simplicity patterns on sale $1.99 right now... > > Elena/Gia LOL! You beat me to it. They're on sale today and tomorrow (June 16 & 17) and there's also a 50% off sale on notions, scissors, and thread, and interfacing is 4 yds/96 cents. Two days only. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 14:28:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GISgUr029056 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:28:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GISbk5001134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GIRwHG056130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GIRhgj023213; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GIRdpf023160 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02502 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:27:39 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:27:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog Thread-Index: AcaRWqcUQ3mYtiB5SmSisRifXdKgbAACbPVA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5GIRdpf023160 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:28:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4492F855.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the head's up on the Simplicity sale--I had not looked at my JoAnn's circular, since a new mailman missed my mailbox with it and I had to clean and dry mine. JoAnn's might be a good place to head tomorrow, since we have the College World Series here in Omaha, starting this weekend. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:36 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > And JoAnne's has the Simplicity patterns on sale $1.99 right now... > > Elena/Gia LOL! You beat me to it. They're on sale today and tomorrow (June 16 & 17) and there's also a 50% off sale on notions, scissors, and thread, and interfacing is 4 yds/96 cents. Two days only. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 15:32:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GJWHsA032359 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:32:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GJWCTh008529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GJVaSO073039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GJVXZm085530; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GJVQiD085371 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4bf.1e9f1ee (41811) for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <4bf.1e9f1ee.31c46108@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:31:20 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: h-cost] historical dressmaker in London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:32:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4493073C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO i'm pretty much booked up till than, or I'd say me :o) But as I'm not actually in London, I'd say Suzi, if she's not booked up. If Suzi is booked up, and the bride is willing to go longer distance in the UK, I'd also recommend Ninya Mikhaila, and Jill Knights (of Frederick and Knights). Debbie In a message dated 6/16/06 7:10:22 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:49:44 -0400 > From: "Katy Bishop" > Subject: [h-cost] historical dressmaker in London > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I have gotten a request from a bride-to-be in London who wants an > 1860's style dress for her wedding in October. I really don't want to > take on a long distance project of this scale at the moment. Is there > anyone in the London, England area who is experienced in 19th Century > reproductions/styles who would be interested in taking on such a > commission (I have no idea how accurate or elaborate a dress she > wants). She has chosen a dress from one of the Godey's prints on my > website. Let me know if anyone is interested or can recommend anyone. > Thanks. > > Katy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 16:58:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GKwdUo004757 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:58:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GKwYOK024968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:58:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GKwFDo087160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GKwAas061661; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GKw58E061562 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b29so668170pya for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ErS1YKrbh9O8pc7ObGxPjuOS8rwtNVJAz+d5OlnNl2L/+XVdoQZK4PXlk1EYA0B5/aR4caSZzO2uJ7PcgjNBrtEqTcuSXzwaABzvwT1R3UqXxD/mhMRLF5U11whLoQYjS48XEISkohNnNxjGpo+SoWTbsKOYDHaWGLyVak5UZaQ= Received: by 10.35.18.18 with SMTP id v18mr5019677pyi; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:58:00 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Fwd: [h-cost] Washington DC - Spy Museum & Master of Disguise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44931B7A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Mendez is now a famous artist in Frederick, MD. His life has been very interesting. (sorry, I'm a little slow getting this reply out) Here's a Mendez story related to me by one of his students: Student when to the lecture which was given by a little grey haired old man who spoke slowly and with some trouble, limped, trembled, etc. As the old man discussed body mechanics, social expectations of certain "character types" the old man would demonstrate ways that the costume itself aided in reminding the "actor" about his role. (Remember the audience not professional actors, but overseas operatives.) The old man removed an orthotic from his shoe that forced the limp. As the talk progressed the old man removed the wadding from his mouth "fixing" the speech difficulty. In addition, by changing some things we costumers know very well like wigs & clothing, and by changing some things actors & do thru training. By the end of the talk the old man had turned into a much younger version of the guy on the back of Master of Disguise. The student was impressed. http://www.themasterofdisguise.com/ According to the site Both Antonia & Jonna are speaking at the Spy Museum soon. My favorite spy fact & Cold War books just off the top of my head: The Ultimate Spy (has pics of stuff now in the Spy Museum), Man Without a Face (by Marcus Wolf the head of East Germany's Stasi, & invedntor of the Romeo Trap), Oleg Gordievski's book, (a KGB defector), In from the Cold by Robert Gates, (former head of CIA), Hostile Waters (written by the Soviet crew members, this is the real story of the events that inspired "Hunt for Red October"), whatever the heck the book is about Kalugin, his defector-in-place & extraction story is the inspiration for Clancy's "Red Rabbit". Favorite new spy fi author: Alan Furst Favorite spy album: Music to Spy By, purchased at the Spy Museum the 1st month it opened. Oh the shelf but unread: Gentleman Spy, Allan Dulles biography (for whom Dulles airport in DC is named) Strange spy fact: Julia Child, more famous as a TV chef, was an OSS decoder. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 17:05:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GL5e3S005088 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:05:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GL5Yek019342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:05:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GL5CT1088242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GL3TjW066034; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GL3Mav065843 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:03:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so664582pyc for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LpPd+BYxx6ckM+sBSX+FLMwJUDxsIpFP1mNF2X+QS/kENXhnokznLioFzK11tDOz3p3gBLk+TFNxgmwQLOGq4qWf9Eq2iIenA9SZYCaG+SoDZQHyzU2yN/dso3UlMf++OrVV7XOQ+q6X3Bqvz1X/eMgPCumIiZBzeEmRB50CVEU= Received: by 10.35.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr5038213pyi; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:03:00 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Knitting and crochet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44931D1E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My beau found this news story. Knit yourself a car: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1879263.html?menu=news.quirkies --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 16 17:35:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GLZ2AF006045 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:35:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5GLYv4e029700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:35:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GLYQko092386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5GLYMfA092599; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5GLYIWE092339 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 56952 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2006 21:34:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Lf1JOi7nCEOX2cDNSjhqTrXMSI9kR8IpsoaUNzXJ+jElgkCEZ8GQgCxOPt2O0+DxW2iPu5tcsSyCqqCG2a07hLCIwkWtMasHkQH3Ro1Nfpe2mn34SlOC1SXp4gDt+eowEfzYuCcS6N3fDD5EEiam4nbyorwJKwclfoDlhfiJDzk= ; Message-ID: <20060616213412.56950.qmail@web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:34:12 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:34:12 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: [h-cost] historical dressmaker in London To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:35:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44932401.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi's work is exquisite - and accurate. Try refering your enquirer to her website and especially the FAQ page: http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/ "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright "Are you tugging my squirrel?" 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Status: RO Thanks for the link. Katy On 6/16/06, katherine sanders wrote: > Suzi's work is exquisite - and accurate. Try refering your enquirer to her website and especially the FAQ page: > http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/ > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > "Are you tugging my squirrel?" > "...I will answer your questions but only in the language of a crow..." > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. 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Knit yourself a car: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1879263.html?menu=news.quirkies --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 17 11:19:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFJnnm012841 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:19:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5HFJjft028556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFJUta058717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFJSLK070303; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:19:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:HRunciAZE7KCkRvz1tp/SWup0PUVR/SP@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFJOOM070249 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.87] (206-124-5-87.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.87]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5HFEmM06041 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:14:48 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060617051646.78571.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060617051646.78571.qmail@web31910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <4c0d3aee9054fb69da63b7bf61d9b56a@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressform Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:19:28 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5HFJOOM070249 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44941D91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No pictures. On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: > > Hiya all. > > Just wanted to show off my new dressform. It can be seen at my > livejournal > > http://tania-gru.livejournal.com > > Hope this shows up all right. > > Tania > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 17 11:28:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFSi5n013049 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:28:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5HFSduj003216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:28:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFSNUW060232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFSMIY076907; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5HFSGSe076757 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:28:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45874 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2006 15:28:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LklimMV9cj2ezTpxDw4+ncc6lLbfzIp1JrLH5pRY2Fj6lzifUTmXdBXT8VAQ5SG6v9o2JS8SPvRoEgUDk0ywnFn2Ieq5n550h83XmtrhHAyC5ZKmIId0awIzFDh8K1X8CvIn4FZUFMFmzGtjRqc3JUbdNkMUPzfeGQTCrZ5b8qA= ; Message-ID: <20060617152811.45872.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:28:11 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressform To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4c0d3aee9054fb69da63b7bf61d9b56a@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:28:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44941FA7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hiya all. Hope I have it fixed now. May add some more pics later. Tania Sylvia Rognstad wrote: No pictures. On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: > > Hiya all. > > Just wanted to show off my new dressform. It can be seen at my > livejournal > > http://tania-gru.livejournal.com > > Hope this shows up all right. > > Tania > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5HFZ1WP013195 Status: RO Hej! Tania Grüning inviterer dig til at se nogle billeder online på CANON iMAGE GATEWAY. This is another way to see the dressform Du ser i øjeblikket de første af 12 billeder i samlingen. For at få vist hele samlingen skal du klikke her: http://www.cig.canon-europe.com/album/sharerec.html?id=ED99252DB62E212AAD1161EFC5DB4CCB&locale=da_DK Dette delte album udløber om 30 dage. Ved at acceptere denne invitation til at dele billeder, accepterer du samtidig CANON iMAGE GATEWAY Brugeraftale: http://my.canon-europe.com/dispatch/tandc?locale=da_DK Du kan få online-support for CANON iMAGE GATEWAY på: http://www.cig.canon-europe.com/info/support.html?locale=da_DK Venlig hilsen, CANON iMAGE GATEWAY http://www.cig.canon-europe.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 17 11:57:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFv28f013952 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:57:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5HFuvGZ004222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:57:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFtQ8c063671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFtF0J093395; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:7ahoHpT5FCeg1WyvBIrNWZPe+i6wcLcA@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HFt5sa093311 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:55:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.87] (206-124-5-87.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.87]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5HFoTM08344 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:50:29 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060617152811.45872.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060617152811.45872.qmail@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <2bf7dfc16e27fc0eba36fd99b4e3362a@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressform Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:55:09 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5HFt5sa093311 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44942649.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Did you cover an existing mannequin with the brown paper after you fitted it to yourself? On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > Hope I have it fixed now. May add some more pics later. > > Tania > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > No pictures. > > On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: > >> >> Hiya all. >> >> Just wanted to show off my new dressform. It can be seen at my >> livejournal >> >> http://tania-gru.livejournal.com >> >> Hope this shows up all right. >> >> Tania >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1¢/min. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your > league today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 17 12:18:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HGIpV9014804 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:18:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5HGIkIh014141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:18:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HGIZKQ066889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:18:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HGIYjL008953; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:18:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5HGIUO0008864 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98881 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jun 2006 16:18:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fLSKDMGEXF3POPP5Me0mpqYkJV5f7L/I1GH21KZmRc1PiR4DJhdNNNH/ClnVDCQyfJ07edv/kpMK3NGlE4fALVsMOOeH9dSvtxewJKGMDTSmvAW1WzyU/n7YVZK62RnTK5+eydd0dJScYA7UuVLm4Dbq7E22XarnAmJLSnx+tbc= ; Message-ID: <20060617161824.98879.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:18:24 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressform To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <2bf7dfc16e27fc0eba36fd99b4e3362a@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:18:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44942B66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Sylvia No (short answer) long answer comes here ;-) The core is hollow. It is a more advanced model of the papertape dummy, someone on this list has the link for ;-) Basically I got a rough sewn jersey tee on, and the teacher covered me in three layers of brown papertrips and glue. The mold was then cut off me and left to dry till the next day. Then we had to cut it down, so that it was 5 cm less than our target measures, then pad it up to 3 cm less than target measure by smoothing out hollows and bumps with more brown paper trips and glue and pieces of newspaper. I also added 3 layers of brown paper to the inside of the dummy, to increase the strength. It also have some braces on the inside to stiffen it as well. Tania Sylvia Rognstad wrote: Did you cover an existing mannequin with the brown paper after you fitted it to yourself? On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Tania Gruning wrote: > Hiya all. > > Hope I have it fixed now. May add some more pics later. > > Tania > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > No pictures. > > On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: > >> >> Hiya all. >> >> Just wanted to show off my new dressform. It can be seen at my >> livejournal >> >> http://tania-gru.livejournal.com >> >> Hope this shows up all right. >> >> Tania >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >> rates starting at 1¢/min. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your > league today! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 17 16:43:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKhGU4025764 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:43:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5HKhBbc029211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:43:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKgnFC004529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKgga2066859; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKgaZY066797 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 234033C2FB for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:42:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] FW: Navajo wisdom (time for laughter) OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4494695F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- Sally was driving home from one of her business trips in Northern Arizona when she saw an elderly Navajo woman walking on the side of the road. As the trip was a long and quiet one, she stopped the car and asked the Navajo woman if she would like a ride. With a silent nod of thanks, the woman got into the car. Resuming the journey, Sally tried in vain to make a bit of small talk with the Navajo woman. The old woman just sat silently, looking intently at everything she saw, studying every little detail, until she noticed a brown bag on the seat next to Sally. "What in bag?" asked the old woman. Sally looked down at the brown bag and said, "It's a bottle of wine. I got it for my husband." The Navajo woman was silent for another moment or two. Then speaking with the quiet wisdom of an elder, she said, "Good trade." __._,_.___ __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 17 16:58:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKwFjZ026350 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:58:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5HKwBaY017619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:58:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKvgbe006633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKvfKA076264; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:57:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5HKvb24076231 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EEA13C288 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:57:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Simplicity early autumn catalog Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:57:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44946CE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jo Ann's is having their firefly sale. They have their clearance at 50% off so I got some brocade that was orginally $14 a yd for $2.50 yd. 14 patterns, would have gotten more but I always seem to get a headache if I stay to long there. De -----Original Message----- Thanks for the head's up on the Simplicity sale--I had not looked at my JoAnn's circular, since a new mailman missed my mailbox with it and I had to clean and dry mine. JoAnn's might be a good place to head tomorrow, since we have the College World Series here in Omaha, starting this weekend. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 18 12:16:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGGIFD001479 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:16:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5IGGDQZ006527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGEJmb011118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGEC9c052748; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:vydWHO3BiGva3RkcXuX5lcDQQfjyNLR2@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGE8Nf052702 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.144] (206-124-5-144.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.144]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5IG9UM09289 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:09:31 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060617161824.98879.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060617161824.98879.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressform Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:14:13 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5IGE8Nf052702 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44957C4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It looks like you did a great job. On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Tania Gruning wrote: > Hi Sylvia > > No (short answer) > > long answer comes here ;-) > > The core is hollow. It is a more advanced model of the papertape > dummy, someone on this list has the link for ;-) > > Basically I got a rough sewn jersey tee on, and the teacher covered > me in three layers of brown papertrips and glue. The mold was then cut > off me and left to dry till the next day. Then we had to cut it down, > so that it was 5 cm less than our target measures, then pad it up to 3 > cm less than target measure by smoothing out hollows and bumps with > more brown paper trips and glue and pieces of newspaper. I also added > 3 layers of brown paper to the inside of the dummy, to increase the > strength. It also have some braces on the inside to stiffen it as > well. > > Tania > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Did you cover an existing mannequin with the brown paper after you > fitted it to yourself? > > On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hiya all. >> >> Hope I have it fixed now. May add some more pics later. >> >> Tania >> >> Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> No pictures. >> >> On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: >> >>> >>> Hiya all. >>> >>> Just wanted to show off my new dressform. It can be seen at my >>> livejournal >>> >>> http://tania-gru.livejournal.com >>> >>> Hope this shows up all right. >>> >>> Tania >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >>> rates starting at 1¢/min. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your >> league today! >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low > rates. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 18 12:22:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGMgDZ001814 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:22:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5IGMb0f006243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:22:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGMPH8012454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGMOfq057973; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:sBbFp7jSBtHOvVeOT9lQGM+Qv6O/pwBp@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IGML66057942 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.144] (206-124-5-144.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.144]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5IGHiM09806 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:17:44 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <20060617161824.98879.qmail@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dressform Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:22:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5IGML66057942 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44957DCD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thought I was responding privately, but since I didn't, a question occurred to me to pose to the group. When I was studying pattern drafting at FIDM in L.A., I had a teacher who taught us how to make a personal sloper using a waxed cloth that was heated and then molded to our bodies. It worked great but I've never seen the stuff since or heard about it and I'd love to find some. Anyone else heard of it? Sylrog On Jun 18, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > It looks like you did a great job. > > On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Tania Gruning wrote: > >> Hi Sylvia >> >> No (short answer) >> >> long answer comes here ;-) >> >> The core is hollow. It is a more advanced model of the papertape >> dummy, someone on this list has the link for ;-) >> >> Basically I got a rough sewn jersey tee on, and the teacher covered >> me in three layers of brown papertrips and glue. The mold was then >> cut off me and left to dry till the next day. Then we had to cut it >> down, so that it was 5 cm less than our target measures, then pad it >> up to 3 cm less than target measure by smoothing out hollows and >> bumps with more brown paper trips and glue and pieces of newspaper. I >> also added 3 layers of brown paper to the inside of the dummy, to >> increase the strength. It also have some braces on the inside to >> stiffen it as well. >> >> Tania >> >> Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> Did you cover an existing mannequin with the brown paper after you >> fitted it to yourself? >> >> On Jun 17, 2006, at 9:28 AM, Tania Gruning wrote: >> >>> Hiya all. >>> >>> Hope I have it fixed now. May add some more pics later. >>> >>> Tania >>> >>> Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >>> No pictures. >>> >>> On Jun 16, 2006, at 11:16 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hiya all. >>>> >>>> Just wanted to show off my new dressform. It can be seen at my >>>> livejournal >>>> >>>> http://tania-gru.livejournal.com >>>> >>>> Hope this shows up all right. >>>> >>>> Tania >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- >>>> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great >>>> rates starting at 1¢/min. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your >>> league today! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low >> rates. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 18 23:58:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.178]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5J3wvEs005133 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:58:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J3wqvx021435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5J3sk33026808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:54:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5J3sdBo094314; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5J3sVWk094217 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FsAqN-000750-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:54:31 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060618225250.036aa1a8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:54:12 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:58:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449620FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Forwarded from another list: >From: "Cathy" >Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:05:55 -0000 > >Announcement! Announcement! Announcement! > >Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! > >Vivian Murphy is teaming up with Fashion Fabrics Outlet to present a >living history workshop on general techniques of mid-19th century >clothing sewing techniques. > >Date: Saturday & Sunday, July 15 & 16, 2006 from 9am till 4pm with 1 >hr off for lunch > >Place: Fashion Fabrics Outlet, 10508 Baur Blvd, St. Louis, MO >63132 Ph: 314 993 4919 / 1 800 468 0602 > >This workshop will be a study of period design and construction >techniques - not necessarily "fitting a bodice" but learning how to >construct the entire dress in a correct period way. > >You will study a few original garments, watch a film presentation, >then make "samples" of various steps and techniques. Vivian will have >a garment in various stages of construction that you will study as >you work on your samples. > >There will be hand outs that you can refer to, and there will be >photos of originals in the first part of the presentation. The most >important part of the workshop is the hands on help. > >There is a fee of $40 per person, with a limit of 15 ladies. Please >register by the week of July 1st. > >As a special treat, those attending the workshop will be allowed to >shop parts of the warehouse on Sunday. > >Send your check made out to Vivian Murphy to: > >Fashion Fabrics Outlet >c/o Cathy Champion >10490 Baur Blvd >St. Louis, MO 63132 - Put "VM Workshop" in lower corner of >envelope, please! "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 06:28:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JASGhC013265 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:28:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JASBDa000366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:28:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JARa58097635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JARWxt055011; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:27:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JARSTT054883 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 04:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k5JARKC08623.; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:27:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:27:20 +0100 Message-Id: <44968A0402000014000B9520@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:27:00 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] acid free tissue paper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44967C3B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO UK list members may be interested to know that I've discovered that the Partners chain of stationers carry tissue paper which is stated to be acid-free and suitable for vintage textiles (confirmed by email to head office). http://www.partners-stationers.co.uk/ Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 14:06:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JI6FW0020207 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:06:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JI6Auk020390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:06:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JI5cHF083234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JI5Pn9051732; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JI5HL0051562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:22038 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FsO7l-0003R5-II for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:05:22 -0500 Message-ID: <0bb701c693ca$ebf9c790$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060618225250.036aa1a8@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! 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Status: RO If anyone from this list plans to attend, I'll try to be there too. (But only if, because I'm not sure if I'll be able to get in free. =} ) Also, email me off-list if you need better instructions on getting to the site. -E House (FFO/FFC contract worker & general fabric busybody) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 14:19:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIJKfN020870 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:19:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JIJF89022642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:19:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIIumW085722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIIohZ064457; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5JIIjv9064217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 5396 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 18:18:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2ief9wu60koNtPfE+WcxA8/Tf6/WzP0D0uRA5m5IJyLartr4gXDnmgiHfv/YGiS2NhP7CerXiFwZK4+r0H0SeqgcmtDRrH1DaxD8MpfrntR4gB4PWwdZ/LM/3QmmtIQCQ6B00O571ptgmwTjewk7i5UNuTUeKmkp20zaod0N6Mc= ; Message-ID: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.27.68] by web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:18:39 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Neck Ruff X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4496EAA3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have what is probably a very basic question, but I need an answer anyway. I am making Elizabethan garb for my son to wear this summer at Bristol. I started on the neck ruff the way I would normally and suddenly realized that this will be seen up close and the machine stitches on the edgeing will show as will the horsehair braid. How do you construct the neck ruff so that the hem, etc is hidden? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 14:33:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIXOrZ021676 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:33:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JIXJ8k011904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:33:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIWwcH088349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIWtBB077951; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIWocu077825 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B229DA6D98 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:32:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4496EDDD.6010402@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:33:01 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! 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Status: RO E House wrote: > If anyone from this list plans to attend, I'll try to be there too. > (But only if, because I'm not sure if I'll be able to get in free. =} ) > Also, email me off-list if you need better instructions on getting to > the site. > I would love to be able to go, as St Louis is only 4 hours away and the workshop is priced reasonably. However, it would require 2 nights in a hotel, which adds significant expense for me, meaning I have to plan for events like this more than 30 days in advance. If there was something happening in, say, October, I could swing it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 14:42:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIg5jP022103 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JIg0PH031874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIe0br089372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JIdsvk084460; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from seer.dracolore.com (h-67-100-119-212.snvacaid.covad.net [67.100.119.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5JIdfeH084145 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cilean@DracoLore.com) Received: from Stitch ([192.168.42.1]) by seer.dracolore.com with hMailServer ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:39:34 -0700 From: "Simone A. 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Status: RO That is a great job!! Well Done!! I wish your teacher could come to the States and do a couple of classes for us here! I make the paper tape form just with the paper tape, but I have not done it as well as you have! Brava! Cilean _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 15:39:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JJdL4i025006 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:39:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JJdGfZ001112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JJcvtg099253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JJcnA5040625; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:38:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JJcVGh040403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:22131 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FsPZz-0004yi-RE for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: <003501c693d7$f15f1570$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060618225250.036aa1a8@pop.radiks.net><0bb701c693ca$ebf9c790$dd00a8c0@compaqub> <4496EDDD.6010402@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > I would love to be able to go, as St Louis is only 4 hours away and the > workshop is priced reasonably. However, it would require 2 nights in a > hotel, which adds significant expense for me, meaning I have to plan for > events like this more than 30 days in advance. If there was something > happening in, say, October, I could swing it. I'll try to find out the future plans--they probably haven't been made yet, but hopefully I'll be able to manage 30 days advance warning. Is there anything specific you're interested in? FFO plans to have classes in all sorts of areas of interest, from making modern purses to historical corsetry and lots of stuff in between. -E House (I wish I could offer house space, but at the moment I don't even have enough for _me_ much less all the fabric that keeps swarming onto any flat surface...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 16:29:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JKTDM9027773 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:29:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JKT8mv004156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:29:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JKSl85007332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JKSeAh085104; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JKSQKt084923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:28:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5JKSKxr025850 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:28:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:28:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36249.65.117.156.5.1150748900.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:28:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=8.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:29:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44970914.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A local costumer here abouts used to teach a ruff making class that when he was done you were hitting your forehead thinking, now why didn't I think of that!?! He used twill tape, upolstry twill tape. It holds its shape and it comes in very very very bright white or a slight beige. It comes in varying widths. You then add on to it as needed of the frills. You can wash it 20 times and it will still hold its shape, honest. Cut out your neck band and fit it. Now take your length of twill tape and use a water eraseable marker or pins and with a long straight edge draw a line every inch or wider apart. Make a running stitch on every other line on one side of the fold, repeat for the other side, going the other direction but do it on the the lines you skipped. Draw both threads up. Stitch it sideways to that neck band you fitted to him earlier. Formula posted on this list many times for yardage help on ruff making: yardage = ((length * width * 2) / spacing) / 36 Hope that helps. :) On Mon, June 19, 2006 1:18 pm, REBECCA BURCH said: > I have what is probably a very basic question, but I > need an answer anyway. > > I am making Elizabethan garb for my son to wear this > summer at Bristol. I started on the neck ruff the way > I would normally and suddenly realized that this will > be seen up close and the machine stitches on the > edgeing will show as will the horsehair braid. > > How do you construct the neck ruff so that the hem, > etc is hidden? > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 17:08:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JL8Rj5029817 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:08:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JL8LiP016832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:08:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JL6d4i013554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JL6QfS020157; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IHrVSR015015 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:53:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.127.255]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Jun 2006 18:53:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAMgtlUSBS4gb Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.127.255]:1444 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fs1Sf-000GGo-IZ for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:53:25 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:47:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical dressmaker in London In-Reply-To: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.co m> References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44971245.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:49 16/06/2006, you wrote: >I have gotten a request from a bride-to-be in London who wants an >1860's style dress for her wedding in October. I really don't want to >take on a long distance project of this scale at the moment. Is there >anyone in the London, England area who is experienced in 19th Century >reproductions/styles who would be interested in taking on such a >commission (I have no idea how accurate or elaborate a dress she >wants). She has chosen a dress from one of the Godey's prints on my >website. Let me know if anyone is interested or can recommend anyone. >Thanks. Katy Sorry for the delay - computer died. Ask your lady to contact me - I can't say yea or nay till I know what she wants. I am about to go on holiday till 10th July, so if she can get her to do it Mon, or Tues. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 17:09:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JL9tJQ029864 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:09:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JL9mRG022166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JL7q0E013769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JL7p9n021414; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5IHrVSS015015 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.127.255]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Jun 2006 18:53:26 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAMgtlUSBS4Q/g1w Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.127.255]:1444 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fs1Sg-000GGo-EW for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:53:26 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184742.022f0008@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:52:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] wigs /Suzi Clark In-Reply-To: <000501c68fe1$28b9b2f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c68fe1$28b9b2f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:09:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4497129C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:34 14/06/2006, you wrote: >Hi, sorry for this personal. >I just wondered if Suzi reatches this. I made an enquiry for a wig >by Derek Easton, and noticed that he has a link to Suzi Clarke, if >anybody wants to purchase costumes. >I have heard so many phraises of his work with wigs, and wondered if >you Suzi knows about his prises? Are they very expensive or affordable? >I want a nice wig made for me, not in human hair, i cant afford >that, but a nice good quality wig, wondered if it is expensive? >Sorry for this a little off topic! Sorry, computer dies! Derek has been making wigs for my customers since 1983. He can supply you with a ready made wig, dressed to look just how you want it, so do contact him. Virtually all the wigs on my site are by him. www.suziclarke.co.uk http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/viewimage.php?image=/ken-of-covent-garden.jpg this is what I think you have in mind. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 17:22:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLMlsZ031078 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:22:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JLMfAk014071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:22:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLMQAv016811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLMMjq035065; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5J2QorY039963 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA44A6D98 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44960B6A.7080807@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:26:50 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:22:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449715A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Only not under the Europa name. I spotted several fancy metallic ribbon trims at Joann's this weekend being sold under the Wright's label. I have identical stuff on Europa spindles that I bought last year. Looks like Wrights has picked up the distribution of some of the patterns. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 17:25:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLPbAS031365 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:25:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JLPW2I014726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:25:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLP4jb017316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:25:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLOoRI037502; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JKJFfW077071 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M3UANPYF0W8Y4XG8@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:19:10 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M3UANPS1868Y507S@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:19:10 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:19:08 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff In-reply-to: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <449706BC.7030509@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:25:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4497164C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO REBECCA BURCH wrote: >How do you construct the neck ruff so that the [machined] hem, >etc is hidden? > I just don't do them by machine. Also, If I get some linen with a nice looking selvedge, I usually cut all of it off to a depth of 2-3 inches and save that for ruffs so that I don't have to hem the edge at all. I've never used horsehair braid. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 17:26:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLQBtS031392 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:26:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JLQ6Io030679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:26:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLPiVs017506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:25:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLPgSn038390; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:25:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5JKtA8c009853 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 50178 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 20:55:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q4/MjHUlCbaffDAIRlpeF+ekRePOocguaWVw2MWxe0AecX+hFpYSNOcZF4SBbg/Cq3Zr4kfFfp15/YQDYHZl5EiL2767+avIMtfxO4Mio/H9mO8tS3rnplx6uGNpG/Rzb6VtBvcO4AgAPBfZrcKHjLDmybeDRGCj0Tq0d/YOQAg= ; Message-ID: <20060619205500.50176.qmail@web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.27.68] by web81412.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:55:00 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:55:00 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <36249.65.117.156.5.1150748900.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4497166E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Unfortunately, that's the wrong style of ruff. The costumer at Faire said to gather a strip of fabric into the neck band. The doublet collar holds it upright and supposedly the horsehair forms the figure 8's without tacking. If I could do this by hand it would be okay, but I am having trouble with the arthritis in my hands and that many yards of hand stitching would be impossible. My main concern is to finish the raw edge of the linen and hide the horsehair without machine stitching showing. Or another thought - since the stitching will be on top of the lace edging and not really visible unless you really look - is this an important issue? I've never done reenactor/historically accurate before - how picky are they likely to be? I know top stitching is forbidden, but would this count? --- Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > A local costumer here abouts used to teach a ruff > making class that > when he was done you were hitting your forehead > thinking, now why > didn't I think of that!?! > > He used twill tape, upolstry twill tape. It holds > its shape and it > comes in very very very bright white or a slight > beige. It comes in > varying widths. You then add on to it as needed of > the frills. > > You can wash it 20 times and it will still hold its > shape, honest. > > Cut out your neck band and fit it. Now take your > length of twill > tape and use a water eraseable marker or pins and > with a long > straight edge draw a line every inch or wider apart. > Make a running > stitch on every other line on one side of the fold, > repeat for the > other side, going the other direction but do it on > the the lines you > skipped. Draw both threads up. Stitch it sideways to > that neck band > you fitted to him earlier. > > Formula posted on this list many times for yardage > help on ruff making: > yardage = ((length * width * 2) / spacing) / 36 > > Hope that helps. :) > > > On Mon, June 19, 2006 1:18 pm, REBECCA BURCH said: > > I have what is probably a very basic question, but > I > > need an answer anyway. > > > > I am making Elizabethan garb for my son to wear > this > > summer at Bristol. I started on the neck ruff the > way > > I would normally and suddenly realized that this > will > > be seen up close and the machine stitches on the > > edgeing will show as will the horsehair braid. > > > > How do you construct the neck ruff so that the > hem, > > etc is hidden? > > > > Rebecca Burch > > Center Valley Farm > > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 17:43:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLhYRQ000566 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:43:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JLhUTW025587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:43:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLh6Nj020490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLh5lZ053488; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JLVE52043527 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Af71W3VsoGD3SKn946xHb68QTQ7aqJH8PJsfU5I9lMWk9VB4oP3tlUvRVLN18/lv; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.191.5] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FsRKy-0008VT-FR for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:31:12 -0400 Message-ID: <015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:32:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48b3da4b7ad2e005574dabc04bce6220ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.191.5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44971A82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO While searching for something else, I found this corset on the Manchester Galleries site. http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962&QueryPage=index.php&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does anyone on the list know anything about this garment, and about how accurately it's dated? thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 18:01:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JM1SA8001607 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:01:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JM1N86008873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:01:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JM1APY023920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JM12I8068833; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JM0rqI068726 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21969 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:00:52 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:00:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... Thread-Index: AcaT5pCcr8gxHyHiQOKhDBGewwWauAAAsAEg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5JM0rqI068726 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:01:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44971EB3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've noticed it at my JoAnns too! But it is far from the range of Europa trims that JoAnn's used to carry, just perhaps the best sellers. Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I can't think what. In my particular JoAnn's(Omaha, NE)all those Destination India fabrics didn't sell well, just a few particular patterns, for example. With the increasing cost of gas hitting everything, I think we are going to see a trend of less up-to-the minute fashion and more styles and fabrics that will last more than a single season. I'm hearing more "I'm not making you that" or I'm not buying that fabric/trim" from moms and grandmothers to their daughters and granddaughters lately. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 19:31:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JNVF68006815 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:31:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5JNVAqk018120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:31:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JNUr4b036518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JNUmSZ036190; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5JNUPQs036042 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE261A6DC2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:58:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44972C28.5050002@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:58:48 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! 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Status: RO Abel, Cynthia wrote: > I've noticed it at my JoAnns too! But it is far from the range of Europa > trims that JoAnn's used to carry, just perhaps the best sellers. I'm hoping that Wrights will pick up more of the line, but let's face it, a lot of sewers are concerned about cost, and those fancy trims aren't the cheapest thing out there. > > Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to > the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's > is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise I noticed the blank spots, too. Some had signs on them announcing changes. There's a blurb in the current flyer saying "You'll love what's coming. There's change in progress at your favorite Joann's store! If you love fabrics & sewing, you love us for being the best... If you love crafting, you'll love what we're doing for you. Discover the difference soon!" Which says to me "We're moving in more craft junk". , but I > can't think what. In my particular JoAnn's(Omaha, NE)all those > Destination India fabrics didn't sell well, A lot of what I saw was synthetic, makes my skin itch. Some of it I could have used for exotic/middle eastern inspired costumes if it had been a natural fiber, not like I don't already have a closet full of dance costumes. > I think we are going to see a trend of less up-to-the minute > fashion and more styles and fabrics that will last more than a single > season. I hope so. I haven't bought anything but notions since before Christmas. I prefer classic, natural fabrics, not just for historic costuming. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 20:08:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0897i008561 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:08:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K082gb020769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:08:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K07h5d040428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K07b5s059364; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K07Wna059273 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.518.825f05 (41811) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:07:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <518.825f05.31c8963c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:07:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! 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Status: RO In a message dated 6/19/2006 6:01:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: I think JoAnn's is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I can't think what. Just visited the largest JoAnn's in our area, and it has been completely remodeled. The apparel fabrics seem to be a fraction of what they used to be. Home dec and quilting remain about the same. Crafts has been expanded to include a bunch of yarn, although there are a lot of holes in that section, and the framing area seems bigger, too. Even G Street Fabrics does not seem to carry nearly the assortment of apparel fabrics or trims that they used to. I think they are pushing their custom home decorating business more. I guess we just have to face the fact that people are not sewing apparel nearly as much as they used to. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 20:25:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0PJ8V009567 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K0PDIi014411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0Orb3042239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0OpPc069152; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0OfIa069016 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o63so1202713nfa for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:24:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oYi49eV+wR+l0oDzoj2nB9jw+tMK+gDB7YG/tSXXan2mVR7/cairiRuZc0iNjJSIDIbmxeqOkGGqH9nBIioIwZxv4WgdamIlnX8bPPIb453AD6qJDNEcuhNhTAGa35Cl2smi/EgRXeM3LbVy/UjvSqwTp6ldgZnax+9i1fbED3g= Received: by 10.48.255.8 with SMTP id c8mr6073584nfi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.231.4 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070606191724l2396eacasf44d22f89e89c1ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:24:36 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] historical dressmaker in London In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44974069.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks. I had heard that you were having computer trouble. She wats an 1860 style evening dress (I have a plate pictured on my website that she says she wants). This is the dress, the first on the left: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/images/g_1860_Feb_b.jpg I will tell her to email you, thanks! She seems desperate to find someone. Katy On 6/18/06, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 15:49 16/06/2006, you wrote: > >I have gotten a request from a bride-to-be in London who wants an > >1860's style dress for her wedding in October. I really don't want to > >take on a long distance project of this scale at the moment. Is there > >anyone in the London, England area who is experienced in 19th Century > >reproductions/styles who would be interested in taking on such a > >commission (I have no idea how accurate or elaborate a dress she > >wants). She has chosen a dress from one of the Godey's prints on my > >website. Let me know if anyone is interested or can recommend anyone. > >Thanks. > > > Katy > > Sorry for the delay - computer died. > > Ask your lady to contact me - I can't say yea or nay till I know what > she wants. I am about to go on holiday till 10th July, so if she can > get her to do it Mon, or Tues. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 20:38:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0cOkr010216 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:38:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K0cJje026759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:38:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0bpQC043657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:37:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0bjhD076525; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K0bfiR076428 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:37:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.519.830eb9 (39332) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <519.830eb9.31c89d4b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:37:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:38:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4497437B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You do the hem by hand. Or if you're putting lace on the edge, use a narrow tiny zig zag that will not show unless someone has a magnifying glass. You can even overcast a plain edge with a narrow tiny zig zag and that will look like a rolled hem. As for horse hair....starch the ruff instead with fabric starch [in the box or bottle] or use wig lacquer. Or use some starch and zig zag over the right weight fishing line [you can do this when you do the hem] to keep it buoyant. I've never know a formal ruff that didn't need a little tacking or something to keep the 8's neat. Of course in Italian Renn you often see a very informal box pleated ruffle [not really a ruff] peaking up above the doublet collar edged in some way....narrow lace or some needle work on the edge. A tiny black edge can look quite fetching... especially if it has some kind of delicate picot. There's no reason this would not also be seen in an Elizabethan setting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 21:50:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1odsf013543 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:50:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K1oYl5012071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:50:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1g1Ea051567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1fvBg020111; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1fre0020024 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m80.in-tch.com [216.166.191.80]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5K1VeK12020 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:31:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003f01c6940b$c97559a0$50bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <449706BC.7030509@paradise.net.nz> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:49:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:50:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4497546A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You can also use a really narrow rolled hem, and fishing line (saw that idea for ruffles on a mundane dress). Or use lace that's already got a finished edge--I did something like that, and stiffened it with starch, IIRC. --Sue, now comfortably exploring pre-Tudor clothing.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adele de Maisieres" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff > REBECCA BURCH wrote: > > >How do you construct the neck ruff so that the [machined] hem, > >etc is hidden? > > > I just don't do them by machine. Also, If I get some linen with a nice > looking selvedge, I usually cut all of it off to a depth of 2-3 inches > and save that for ruffs so that I don't have to hem the edge at all. > I've never used horsehair braid. > > -- > Adele de Maisieres > > ----------------------------- > Habeo metrum - musicamque, > hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? > -Georgeus Gershwinus > ----------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 21:52:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1qPuc013605 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K1qK55002254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1oMiC052498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1mHso025259; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1mAW3024932 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m80.in-tch.com [216.166.191.80]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5K1bTK13038 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:37:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> <015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:55:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449754D4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It looks later to me, too, but the 17th century isn't my primary area. Heck, it almost looks 18th century-ish to me.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries > While searching for something else, I found this corset on the Manchester > Galleries site. > > http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962&QueryPage=in dex.php&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme > > It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does anyone > on the list know anything about this garment, and about how accurately it's > dated? > > thanks, > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 21:52:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1qPqI013606 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:52:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K1qK1e028209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1oLbL052495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1oK3D026942; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K1o0PH026604 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m80.in-tch.com [216.166.191.80]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5K1dkK13497 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:39:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005501c6940c$ead53ec0$50bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:57:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449754D4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Actual fabric, maybe, beyond the usual motley collection of quilting stuff, polyester ickies for prom gowns, and polar fleece? --Sue, who'd love to see more wools, more linens, more...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... > Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to > the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's > is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I > can't think what. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 19 22:26:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K2QGZT015488 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:26:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K2QBwY018725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:26:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K2PdR2056714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K2Pbul051022; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz (fep02.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K2PWUt050872 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [222.154.139.51]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060620022517.RDBW17995.fep02.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:25:17 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.1/369]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:25:19 +1200 Message-ID: <06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris> <004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:25:19 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06CC_01C69475.5BAE4570" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:26:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44975CC3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ------=_NextPart_000_06CC_01C69475.5BAE4570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962&QueryPage=i n > dex.php&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme > > > > It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does anyone > > on the list know anything about this garment, and about how accurately > it's > > dated? > It looks later to me, too, but the 17th century isn't my primary area. > Heck, it almost looks 18th century-ish to me.... Nah, just look at that shoulder line;) If it's later, it's no later than 1660s or 70s. It's very similar to the pink stays at the V&A. http://images.vam.ac.uk/ Object Stays and busk Date 1660-1670 Techniques Pink watered silk (English or Italian), backed with linen, stitched with pink silk thread and reinforced with whalebone (Stays) Edged and decorated with pink silk grosgrain ribbons with tinned iron points Museum Number T.14&A-1951 http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20000504/high/mb37-002.jpg http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20000504/high/mb37-001.jpg http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/pcd/76993272/high/2836-007.jpg These though are much narrower in the back, so these are probably of a later date than the Manchester stays. So I'm guessing the Manchester ones are no later than 1650s...? I wonder if the Manchester stays are displayed with the opening too wide at the top, thus changing the shape of them somewhat? Or if the V&A stays are displayed with the opening too close together? I adore these two sets of stays, and if I have an excuse to make a pair like them, I will;) Though I do have a question, hopefully someone where has studied the art of making stays; why is it that before the 19thC strips of baleen used for the bulk of stays were so incredibly narrow? I'm sure you get more flexibility with it but still have a very supportive garment. But is the benefit so great for so much more extra work? Was it down to the methods of cutting perhaps? Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ------=_NextPart_000_06CC_01C69475.5BAE4570 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Sort of... Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:36:45 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44975F53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I work there. They're just getting new craft stuff, so I hear. Not more fabric :-(. Sylrog On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:57 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Actual fabric, maybe, beyond the usual motley collection of quilting > stuff, > polyester ickies for prom gowns, and polar fleece? > --Sue, who'd love to see more wools, more linens, more...... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abel, Cynthia" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:00 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... > > >> Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to >> the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's >> is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I >> can't think what. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 01:37:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K5bLaF022288 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:37:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K5bGZF024539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:37:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K5asUL088829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K5apLC062974; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K5ahnb062917 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bfnOeBAA/oRewlHbHZY63Y6+grGokATn8eH7DmLTYryY+OKf+5ZzpTmRLBf8HA3O; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.191.5] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FsYul-0003Oz-KQ for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:36:39 -0400 Message-ID: <004401c6942b$824b10e0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris> <004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:36:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48d0f2a1132a8632a74fc6f6f1959bb02d301ee85fcf877b1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.191.5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4497898D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries > It looks later to me, too, but the 17th century isn't my primary area. > Heck, it almost looks 18th century-ish to me.... > --Sue They do look 17th cen., but later than the 1620-1640 date. They look very similar to other examples that are dated 1660 and after. Also, and this is why I'm wondering about the date, the neckline of the stays does not match up to the dress necklines, at least not those in the artwork I've been studying. Also, if they are from the date given, I don't know of any other set of stays from that era, and I would very much like to be able to cite them. Melusine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carmen Beaudry" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:32 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries > > >> While searching for something else, I found this corset on the Manchester >> Galleries site. >> >> > http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962&QueryPage=in > dex.php&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme >> >> It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does >> anyone >> on the list know anything about this garment, and about how accurately > it's >> dated? >> >> thanks, >> >> Melusine >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 02:09:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K69VxI028100 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:09:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K69QBs000670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:09:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K699bk092326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K6981r080555; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K693tB080513 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mFhp+30UgB0FoxAujCloc5pSTUEcOARlrAIpBzlbYSRiZUjzxHdG8gnBTacSzv52; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.191.5] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FsZQ6-00037L-P5 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <006a01c69430$089f5a80$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris><004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> <06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:09:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48d0f2a1132a8632a79c489dd93877448af83aa984341be17f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.191.5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 02:09:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44979116.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Snip > Though I do have a question, hopefully someone where has studied the art > of > making stays; why is it that before the 19thC strips of baleen used for > the > bulk of stays were so incredibly narrow? I'm sure you get more flexibility > with it but still have a very supportive garment. But is the benefit so > great for so much more extra work? Was it down to the methods of cutting > perhaps? > > Michaela de Bruce > http://glittersweet.com I don't know why it was done that way, but the 1889 corset I own has baleen strips that are just as narrow as the early corsets, and much more narrow than the one I own from the same era that's boned with steel. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 03:29:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K7TT5L021571 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:29:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K7TPMO024509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:29:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K7T7nw099711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K7T3JU034713; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K7StlO034588 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.60.138] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-60-138.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.60.138]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5K7ShVZ266084 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:28:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060619234234.026ad118@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:51:08 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff In-Reply-To: <20060619181839.5394.qmail@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:29:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4497A3D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >How do you construct the neck ruff so that the hem, >etc is hidden? If you don't want a visible hem at the outside edge, don't make a hem there. Use doubled material, folded over any stiffening you think you need, with the fold at the outside edge. That way there's no hem to have to hide. I'm making a double-sided blackwork ruff, for my blackwork partlet, out of folded material. I'm hiding all the thread ends in between the two layers, after attaching them securely to something inside there as if it were the back side of regular embroidery. And I'm running the embroidery right out to that folded edge. I have yards of embroidery still to do on the ruff part, so no pictures of any finished garment yet. But I finished the neck band and body of the partlet last year, added a plain white ruff temporarily, and wore it that way. (If I thought my guild would let me I'd spangle in between the embroidered motifs, but I'm just a Lady-in waiting, so they won't.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 06:24:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KAOHA4023801 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KAOCmo023445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KANW1d036385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KANTC7038739; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KANOfZ038698 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB521D0E02A0; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:17:54 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Neck Ruff Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:23:27 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01c69453$9203d940$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060619234234.026ad118@mail.frys.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5KANOfZ038698 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:24:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4497CCCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I saw the partlet. It's fabulous. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Kayta Barrows Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:51 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff >How do you construct the neck ruff so that the hem, >etc is hidden? If you don't want a visible hem at the outside edge, don't make a hem there. Use doubled material, folded over any stiffening you think you need, with the fold at the outside edge. That way there's no hem to have to hide. I'm making a double-sided blackwork ruff, for my blackwork partlet, out of folded material. I'm hiding all the thread ends in between the two layers, after attaching them securely to something inside there as if it were the back side of regular embroidery. And I'm running the embroidery right out to that folded edge. I have yards of embroidery still to do on the ruff part, so no pictures of any finished garment yet. But I finished the neck band and body of the partlet last year, added a plain white ruff temporarily, and wore it that way. (If I thought my guild would let me I'd spangle in between the embroidered motifs, but I'm just a Lady-in waiting, so they won't.) CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 06:58:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KAwHs7001962 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:58:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KAwChn009412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:58:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KAw0ji040767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KAvxZa056499; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f24.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KAvu2l056447 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:57:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:57:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <519.830eb9.31c89d4b@aol.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Neck Ruff Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:57:49 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2006 10:57:52.0975 (UTC) FILETIME=[60DCBDF0:01C69458] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:58:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4497D4C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For my latest ruff, I folded the fabric in half, lengthwise, pleated it, and sewed the raw edge by machine to hold the pleats. I then stitched the neck band on, sewing the inside edge first, then hand tacking the outside edge so it looks hand stitched. I tend not to use lace, as it would have been cost prohibitive for my persona. Then I starch the ruff, with corn starch in a heavy boiled solution. I form the ruff with a 2L pop bottle and let it dry. Some re enacting groups are very fussy when it comes to modern things. Stuff like horsehair, fishingline and such will stand out like a sore thumb in some situations...there is such a thing as too perfect. I would suggest contacting the group to find out the situation they will be in, looking too new may also be an issue. Have fun! Kelly "Bravery is something you can experience on the spur of the moment, faced with danger. To have courage, you must think about the dangers in advance, then weigh the risks, and then do what you have to do, despite your fears" Caius Merlyn Britannicus > >You do the hem by hand. Or if you're putting lace on the edge, use a narrow >tiny zig zag that will not show unless someone has a magnifying glass. You >can > even overcast a plain edge with a narrow tiny zig zag and that will look >like a rolled hem. > >As for horse hair....starch the ruff instead with fabric starch [in the >box >or bottle] or use wig lacquer. Or use some starch and zig zag over the >right >weight fishing line [you can do this when you do the hem] to keep it >buoyant. >I've never know a formal ruff that didn't need a little tacking or >something >to keep the 8's neat. > >Of course in Italian Renn you often see a very informal box pleated ruffle >[not really a ruff] peaking up above the doublet collar edged in some >way....narrow lace or some needle work on the edge. A tiny black edge can >look quite >fetching... especially if it has some kind of delicate picot. There's no >reason this would not also be seen in an Elizabethan setting. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 07:46:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KBkFIu005686 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:46:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KBkAWx007327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KBjNIx045651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KBjK8N084250; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KBjExJ084122 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.127.255]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 20 Jun 2006 12:45:03 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAHR8l0SBTYgcLA Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.127.255]:1092 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fseeu-000OhY-2h for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:44:40 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060620123921.0231d1d0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:44:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries In-Reply-To: <06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> <015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris> <004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> <06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:46:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4497E003.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 03:25 20/06/2006, you wrote: > >http://www.manchestergalleries.org/costume/object.php?irn=14962&QueryPage=i >n > > dex.php&themeback=2&CostumeTheme=costume%20sub-theme > > > > > > It is dated 1620 to 1640, but to my eye it looks a bit later. Does >anyone > > > on the list know anything about this garment, and about how accurately > > it's > > > dated? > > > It looks later to me, too, but the 17th century isn't my primary area. > > Heck, it almost looks 18th century-ish to me.... > >Nah, just look at that shoulder line;) If it's later, it's no later than >1660s or 70s. > >It's very similar to the pink stays at the V&A. >http://images.vam.ac.uk/ > Object > Stays and busk > Date > 1660-1670 > Techniques > Pink watered silk (English or Italian), backed with linen, stitched >with pink silk thread and reinforced with whalebone > (Stays) Edged and decorated with pink silk grosgrain ribbons with >tinned iron points > Museum Number > T.14&A-1951 >http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20000504/high/mb37-002.jpg >http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/sch/20000504/high/mb37-001.jpg >http://images.vam.ac.uk/images/photo/pcd/76993272/high/2836-007.jpg > >These though are much narrower in the back, so these are probably of a later >date than the Manchester stays. So I'm guessing the Manchester ones are no >later than 1650s...? >I wonder if the Manchester stays are displayed with the opening too wide at >the top, thus changing the shape of them somewhat? Or if the V&A stays are >displayed with the opening too close together? > >I adore these two sets of stays, and if I have an excuse to make a pair like >them, I will;) I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in "Corsets and Crinolines", with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of the same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - court dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. I recently looked at 17th Century stays at the Museum of London, and they were similar in shape, and also dated later. There has been talk of a set of stays being found in Wales, which are much earlier in date, and I believe Ian the Staymaker was invited to look at them. However, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has yet been published about them. Bjarne mentioned them in a post some time ago, I think. Though I do have a question, hopefully someone where has studied the art of >making stays; why is it that before the 19thC strips of baleen used for the >bulk of stays were so incredibly narrow? I'm sure you get more flexibility >with it but still have a very supportive garment. But is the benefit so >great for so much more extra work? Was it down to the methods of cutting >perhaps? Can't help with this one - sorry! Suzi >Michaela de Bruce >http://glittersweet.com > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 08:07:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC7eHY006419 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:07:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KC7ZP3025336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC62n1047576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC61Ul096163; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5KC5vhq096078 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82532 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2006 12:05:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y+DmINixOdrK8AmzQFJr4cbDJEv9DT8GePaKYd0pLCUI0a2ZS67GerCQeZRSfmmMMoaTOLaClWxQxlqAz0jVjIAuk+CP7/NxdnUBkRkIZude6RqCXa7fk2AgUhAtorB9v9AjKTIg6v5LKURLQlvcQNyHkvjB0ARMmkbBKE4idC0= ; Message-ID: <20060620120549.82530.qmail@web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:05:49 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606200038.k5K0bkJ5076533@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:07:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4497E507.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Were Europa Trims the ones that had the gorgeous, wide trims that actually looked like they were worth the price?! I was trying to find a nice quality satin at the local (Bellingham, WA) Joann's the other day and was getting frustrated because I just couldn't find what I really wanted. It must have really shown on my face because a woman with what looked like a nice print fabric looked up as she passed me, paused and said "Exactly!" This Joann's has about 3 aisles of clearanced stuff in the quilting department in addition to the regular clearance aisles and it isn't all quilting fabric. As always, the regular fabric selection has a dearth of quality fabrics. I didn't notice much blank space in the fabric dept, (actually couldn't get through some of the aisles) but it looks like there are some holes in the craft department. They've already made some changes - bringing in some "Christopher Lowell" decorator fabrics (attach a name so they can charge more for the same stuff!) There is already far too much of the seasonal "cutesie" junk and four aisles of 'decorator' accessories such as boxes, baskets and mini trunks that all have that euro-asian fusion look to them. I wish they were going to bring in some more classic and natural fabrics but I'm afraid that they'll assume since things aren't moving people aren't sewing and not realize it is just because people don't want what they have....why sew a bunch of polyester junk when you could buy the same stuff - if you wanted it - ready made for less. Annette M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:00:49 -0500 From: "Abel, Cynthia" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... I've noticed it at my JoAnns too! But it is far from the range of Europa trims that JoAnn's used to carry, just perhaps the best sellers. Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I can't think what. In my particular JoAnn's(Omaha, NE)all those Destination India fabrics didn't sell well, just a few particular patterns, for example. With the increasing cost of gas hitting everything, I think we are going to see a trend of less up-to-the minute fashion and more styles and fabrics that will last more than a single season. I'm hearing more "I'm not making you that" or I'm not buying that fabric/trim" from moms and grandmothers to their daughters and granddaughters lately. Cindy Abel ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:58:48 -0500 From: Dawn Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... Abel, Cynthia wrote: > I've noticed it at my JoAnns too! But it is far from the range of Europa > trims that JoAnn's used to carry, just perhaps the best sellers. I'm hoping that Wrights will pick up more of the line, but let's face it, a lot of sewers are concerned about cost, and those fancy trims aren't the cheapest thing out there. > > Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to > the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's > is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise I noticed the blank spots, too. Some had signs on them announcing changes. There's a blurb in the current flyer saying "You'll love what's coming. There's change in progress at your favorite Joann's store! If you love fabrics & sewing, you love us for being the best... If you love crafting, you'll love what we're doing for you. Discover the difference soon!" Which says to me "We're moving in more craft junk". , but I > can't think what. In my particular JoAnn's(Omaha, NE)all those > Destination India fabrics didn't sell well, A lot of what I saw was synthetic, makes my skin itch. Some of it I could have used for exotic/middle eastern inspired costumes if it had been a natural fiber, not like I don't already have a closet full of dance costumes. > I think we are going to see a trend of less up-to-the minute > fashion and more styles and fabrics that will last more than a single > season. I hope so. I haven't bought anything but notions since before Christmas. I prefer classic, natural fabrics, not just for historic costuming. Dawn ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:07:24 EDT From: AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... In a message dated 6/19/2006 6:01:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: I think JoAnn's is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I can't think what. Just visited the largest JoAnn's in our area, and it has been completely remodeled. The apparel fabrics seem to be a fraction of what they used to be. Home dec and quilting remain about the same. Crafts has been expanded to include a bunch of yarn, although there are a lot of holes in that section, and the framing area seems bigger, too. Even G Street Fabrics does not seem to carry nearly the assortment of apparel fabrics or trims that they used to. I think they are pushing their custom home decorating business more. I guess we just have to face the fact that people are not sewing apparel nearly as much as they used to. Ann Wass --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 08:09:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC9PnG006490 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:09:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KC9Ko4030930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:09:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC929v048009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC92Zr097817; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:09:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz (fep02.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KC8wdS097753 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:09:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [222.154.139.51]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060620120844.SMZW17995.fep02.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:08:44 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.1/369]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:08:47 +1200 Message-ID: <004001c69462$4891fa30$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris><004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion><06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> <7.0.1.0.2.20060620123921.0231d1d0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:08:44 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:09:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4497E570.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > There has been talk of a set of stays being found in Wales, which are > much earlier in date, and I believe Ian the Staymaker was invited to > look at them. However, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has yet > been published about them. Bjarne mentioned them in a post some time > ago, I think. I remember that. Again, I haven't heard any further news. > Though I do have a question, hopefully someone where has studied the art of > >making stays; why is it that before the 19thC strips of baleen used for the > >bulk of stays were so incredibly narrow? I'm sure you get more flexibility > >with it but still have a very supportive garment. But is the benefit so > >great for so much more extra work? Was it down to the methods of cutting > >perhaps? > > Can't help with this one - sorry! I wonder if perhaps it was, as with eveyrthing, simply that mass production made it cheaper to go for wider strips than the finer. Thus there is some overlap with thinner and wider strips being used. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 08:16:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCGKjB006764 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:16:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KCGFjD032335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:16:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCF6CC048521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCF64f001311; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCF1WQ001266 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=m2X3XqX7kRgMhjHFgXeg8Vp0KfIc+pZ9aEiH8LidBr0c/KmzEGtJGs2QJg0x6CYe; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.191.5] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fsf8H-00035O-2o for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <00f601c69463$2a6f05b0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris><004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion><06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> <7.0.1.0.2.20060620123921.0231d1d0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:15:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48a0f17ceab1a7d82fe88efc54b87aa9af540b0f8a6f3b58b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.191.5 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:16:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4497E70F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in "Corsets and > Crinolines", with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of the > same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - court > dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. Thank you, Suzi, this is what I thought I remembered. > > I recently looked at 17th Century stays at the Museum of London, and they > were similar in shape, and also dated later. > > There has been talk of a set of stays being found in Wales, which are much > earlier in date, and I believe Ian the Staymaker was invited to look at > them. However, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has yet been published > about them. Bjarne mentioned them in a post some time ago, I think. (snip) > Suzi Yes, I've been waiting to hear more about these; I believe the tentative date was 1630-35. They were found inside a farmhouse wall, if I remember correctly. Sigh, I really was hoping that the Manchester ones had some reason to be dated earlier, since to my knowlege there really isn't anything in existance from between 1603 and 1660. They just didn't look like the right shape based on what was worn over them. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 08:22:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCMTX1007008 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:22:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KCMPqX001524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:22:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCM6M8048990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCM5WG005185; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCM1EB005112 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4ee.d0a6ab (29679) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <4ee.d0a6ab.31c94261@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:21:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:22:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4497E881.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kahlara@yahoo.com writes: I wish they were going to bring in some more classic and natural fabrics but I'm afraid that they'll assume since things aren't moving people aren't sewing and not realize it is just because people don't want what they have Yes, I'm afraid that is a lost cause. When the mega-JoAnn's near us opened a few years ago, they had wonderful silks (not just dupioni) and Italian wools. I bought several pieces at various times, but eventually that whole section was closed out--did score one piece of silk when it went on clearance. BUT, I'm sure the reason it was all closed out is that most people just didn't buy it. And I must admit, most of what I bought was with the 40% or 50% off coupon. If it doesn't make money, there is no point in their giving it shelf space. On a brighter note, though, that JoAnn's, in with the brightly-colored and modern-printed and embroidered linens, does have a bolt of cotton/linen blend handkerchief weight. I was tempted, but I stocked up on linen in New York last year, so really couldn't justify buying it right now. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 08:56:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCuEW0008309 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:56:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KCu9el024981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCtqlu051852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCtmgY029320; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KCtiTg029264 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m70.in-tch.com [216.166.191.70]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5KCjUK05305 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 06:45:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000e01c69469$ec566640$46bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005501c6940c$ead53ec0$50bfa6d8@pavilion> <97842f5a045b9162f295c2250cb81133@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... 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Status: RO That would be a real shame. They're kind of drowning in it already, as far as I'm concerned. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... > I work there. They're just getting new craft stuff, so I hear. Not > more fabric :-(. > > Sylrog > > On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:57 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > Actual fabric, maybe, beyond the usual motley collection of quilting > > stuff, > > polyester ickies for prom gowns, and polar fleece? > > --Sue, who'd love to see more wools, more linens, more...... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Abel, Cynthia" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:00 PM > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... > > > > > >> Also, I also saw some blank spaces in aisles, that doesn't match up to > >> the usual vacant spots awaiting Christmas merchandise. I think JoAnn's > >> is getting ready to move in some new and different merchandise, but I > >> can't think what. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 10:05:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KE59r4011557 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:05:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KE54nK001774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KE2uO6061390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KE2pKm079317; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep03.xtra.co.nz (fep03.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KE2jlR079170 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:02:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([222.154.139.51]) by fep03.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060620140237.XKOC5275.fep03.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:02:37 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.1/369]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:02:28 +1200 Message-ID: <005601c69472$2a2f3fc0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris><004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion><06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela><7.0.1.0.2.20060620123921.0231d1d0@suziclarke.co.uk> <00f601c69463$2a6f05b0$0300a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:02:27 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44980090.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in "Corsets and > > Crinolines", with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of the > > same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - court > > dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. > > Thank you, Suzi, this is what I thought I remembered. I don't have C&C on me, but will try and have a look. Is it a line drawing/pattern or photo? As for the shape: These are from the 1630s, but are Dutch, http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1636_1&pfad=1600. Anne Countess of Clanbrassil Anthonis van Dijck, 1636 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1639_1.jpg&pfad=1600. Maria Ruthwen Anthonis van Dijck, 1639 And this is from the 1650s, http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1655_2&pfad=1600. Paternal Advice Gerard ter Borch, 1655 While not quite off the shoulder, it does show that classic shape. http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/galleries_earlye.html More of the same sort of thing. In fact I'm inclined to agree the stays are slightly earlier than the V&A ones as they show this broader back as seen in the gowns of the decades before the 1660s. But I really don't understand where the 1620s date comes from. http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/galleries_dutch_paintings4.html Maybe 1650s (The Card Players, ca. 1650) Anyone want to write to the museum and ask for how the dating came to be? I'm guessing it's partly down to how very long and broad the tabs are at the back. They are also not held in check with little godets like there are at the front (and also seen all over the Pink stays.) The tabs of the effigy stays are also pretty large, so they may have been going by them as a guage (being now thought to be current to Elizabeth's time of death.) It may also be partly to do with the actual seaming through the torso as well. Note how very curved the seams are in the gowns and pink V&A stays compared with the very vertical seams in the manchester stays. There are fewer pieces as well one back, two sides and two fronts, the V&A stays are made from "ten sections" I think that means ten sections to the body, plus sleeves and stomacher... but I can't be sure. Ten sections corresponds to the apparent pieces in the body anyway. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO My local joAnns is more oriented toward the polar fleece, 'cutesy' quilting stuff, yard decorations and dried flower arrangements. The yarn dept is located BEHIND the Clearance items. And all they stock there is the newest novelty yarn and baby yarn and dishcloth cotton. BLEAGH!! To get real fabric I have to day-trip to NYC and visit several stores that specialize in linen. However I haven't found one with good quality wool in a light enough weight to satisfy me. (also, most of the wools I can find are either too much $$$ or have 50% poly) Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Home dec and quilting remain about the same. Crafts has been > expanded to > include a bunch of yarn, although there are a lot of holes in that > section, and > the framing area seems bigger, too. > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 10:53:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KErZ95013466 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KErU01020649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEqQq0069024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEqEFX020735; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEq8Ti020531 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.51c.9eaa6c (29678) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <51c.9eaa6c.31c9658e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:51:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:53:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44980BEA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/2006 7:46:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: But is the benefit so >great for so much more extra work? Was it down to the methods of cutting >perhaps? ************************ When labor is cheaper than materials......who cares about extra work? I once had to make for a film exact copies of a 1940s short sleeved commercial work shirt. What does this have to do with anything?...stay with me.... The shirt was just like any shirt you might buy today. But it had, on the back of the short sleeve, a seam about 4" from the underarm seam. Huh? Anyway as I cut it out on the fold I realized you could place the sleeve beside one of the other pieces [the front I think] and get it cut out but for about 4" that ran off the selvage. That little 4" piece of sleeve could be gotten out of the left overs beside the back piece. The result of this piecing of the sleeve was that it saved fabric. If you didn't piece the sleeve you had to drop down the length of fabric and cut it out all by itself below the other pieces [which is exactly what we do nowadays] IOW...it was more cost effective to have workers sew another seam than to use up more fabric....even in the 1940s. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 10:54:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEsjWB013516 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:54:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KEseHe031594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:54:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEsSM2069496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEsQ4C022837; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEsJpO022731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.104.191] (ip104191.uvm.edu [132.198.104.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KEsDv0024553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:54:17 -0400 Message-ID: <44980C15.30105@uvm.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:54:13 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <518.825f05.31c8963c@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] NYC recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:54:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44980C30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Speaking of NYC: I'll be heading down there this summer and (obviously!) need to visit some fabric stores. I used to cruise around Orchard St. but that was many years ago. This time through I'll have my daughter in tow and have promised her that we won't spend too much time fabric shopping. So, long-winded way of asking: can anyone recommend one or two SPECIFIC stores ( or even a specific block) for: - good quality lightweight linen - silks (not dupioni, which is easy enough to find elsewhere) but especially taffetas or heavier silks suitable for 18th-19th cent - fine lawns, voiles or cottons suitable for early 19th cent. And, of course, all at super discounts!! Thanks. - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 11:17:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFHCCc014310 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:17:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KFH7En026171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFGkgt073308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFGg3P042724; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:16:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFGb8g042627 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5KFGW3L001748 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007801c6947c$82aba3a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4ee.d0a6ab.31c94261@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:16:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:17:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44981173.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making it $3.99 a yard. I went yesterday and bought what was left of the white. All of the linen prints/embroidered, blends are half off. The 100% linen is $10/yd. Four or five years ago Jo-Ann's did carry more silk, linen and wool. It just didn't sell well enough. A friend of mine used to work in the advertising department and encouraged the buyers to buy for the reenactor market. I guess we just can't buy enough to make them happy. :-( There is one store near Pennsic (New Castle, PA) that Jo-Ann's keeps talking about closing, but it has a huge spike in sales every August, enough to keep it open (at least it was that way a couple of years ago). kate ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 8:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > kahlara@yahoo.com writes: > > I wish they were going to bring in some more classic and natural fabrics > but > I'm afraid that they'll assume since things aren't moving people aren't > sewing and not realize it is just because people don't want what they > have > > > Yes, I'm afraid that is a lost cause. When the mega-JoAnn's near us > opened > a few years ago, they had wonderful silks (not just dupioni) and Italian > wools. I bought several pieces at various times, but eventually that > whole > section was closed out--did score one piece of silk when it went on > clearance. > > BUT, I'm sure the reason it was all closed out is that most people just > didn't buy it. And I must admit, most of what I bought was with the 40% > or 50% > off coupon. If it doesn't make money, there is no point in their giving > it > shelf space. > > On a brighter note, though, that JoAnn's, in with the brightly-colored and > modern-printed and embroidered linens, does have a bolt of cotton/linen > blend > handkerchief weight. I was tempted, but I stocked up on linen in New York > last year, so really couldn't justify buying it right now. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 11:26:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFQuqI014663 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:26:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KFQmHY007682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:26:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFQ0OU074501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFPxos050937; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFPuCY050814 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J1600KCV06KV500@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.39] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.66.154]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:25:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:25:30 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] NYC recommendations In-reply-to: <44980C15.30105@uvm.edu> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <518.825f05.31c8963c@aol.com> <44980C15.30105@uvm.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449813B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO One store I have info for right at hand is : Fashion Fabric, Inc 270 W 39th (don't know the cross street but it is near 7 - 8 Ave) M-F 9-7pm, Sat 10-7pm, Sun 11 - 5pm http://www.fashionfabricny.com (I copied this off their business card) As I find more I'll post them. Including one store that ONLY sells linen!! Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 11:53:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFr6e0017563 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:53:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KFr1Ct019998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFl57f077981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:47:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFl1o8070387; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KFkqk8070180 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.531.2c4513 (48624) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:46:40 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <531.2c4513.31c97260@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:46:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449819DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ailith@neo.rr.com writes: Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making it $3.99 a yard. Yes, that was why I was SO tempted. But, enough is enough, already. Ooops. Did I really say that about fabric? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 12:21:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGLVY0021081 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:21:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KGLQXs031580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:21:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGKgq0082968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGKcOC002176; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:20:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGKWYc002012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fsixk-0001Qp-HL; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:20:24 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:20:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:20:24 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > > In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ailith@neo.rr.com writes: > > Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making it > $3.99 a yard. Good chemise weight? Jerusha *needing* good chemise weight ... ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 13:07:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KH70gm028624 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:07:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KH6tvn004987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:06:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KH6YX5090482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:06:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KH6FJd045112; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KH67qt044923 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m51so2131004pye for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l38E9QDTgiWZKEG0w40tpNwZ+R/iqQW1/RsewNte+LcCH3JYhslUHbQwP1UdRnAh9AY1yz7EX81S3UULFIsgQb74as+G2e36zrcGSkLTl8RFuq2inJX8PM0hFVEUYjWExaiJ7KRx0TZqVK34oQme/3wl3rPryaxcm9oyVK5jC0Y= Received: by 10.35.21.1 with SMTP id y1mr9986738pyi; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:06:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606201206.k5KC62do096172@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200606201206.k5KC62do096172@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 487 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:06:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44982B2F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Even G Street Fabrics does not seem to carry nearly the assortment of >apparel fabrics or trims that they used to. I think they are pushing their >custom home decorating business more. I was at G-Street Seven Corners last weekend (for my annual pilgrimage since I live in Calif) and they had tons of colors & weights of linen. Sure it was OMG pricey, but it was there ,which is more than I can say for any shop in Silicon Valley. Not much in wools, but then nobody who's sane buys wool in DC in the summer. Lots of books & patterns for historicals (Folkwear, Peggee of Wmsburg, Medieval Misc, etc). There wasnt much in dress weights for the silk, satin, brocade & taffeta historicals that I like. Most of the fancy dress up fabric (and there was lots!) were predecorated in sequins, embroid, and/or shinies. Nothing I could use for Renn to Ragtime. Again, this is possibly a seasonal/ fabric weight marketing thing. DC specializes in hot & muggy. I bought a book then they threw me out cuz it was closing time, --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 13:17:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHHhb5029190 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:17:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHHcFI025388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:17:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHHMu0092320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHHCW5054771; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:17:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHH6LX054587 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36651A6DBA for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:55:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44982892.5040901@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:55:46 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) References: <531.2c4513.31c97260@aol.com> <20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:17:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44982DB2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > >> >> In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> ailith@neo.rr.com writes: >> >> Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, >> making it >> $3.99 a yard. > > > Good chemise weight? What I saw at my local stores was heavier than that, good for a shirt perhaps, or a summer dress. I've been eyeing it too, and if I buy any I will probably use it as lining. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 13:28:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHS4tf029548 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:28:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHRx99012073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:28:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHRa1K094042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHQuHw066949; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHQUQA066492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:26:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:23625 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fsjzj-0003Lj-6h for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:26:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00ec01c6948e$a7fb02b0$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris><004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> <06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:26:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:28:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4498301F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I add my vote to the "looks 1650s-70s to me" group, but it's also worth mentioning that we have very, very little to go on. If this turned out to be a 1630s corset, I'd be a bit surprised based on the fashionable silhouette of the time and the extant boned bodices, but if it turned out to be 1610s or 1620s? Honestly not that shocked, because we just plain have almost no frame of reference to go on. I mean, really--and not to denigrate the excellent work done on it, not at all--in dating the Effigy corset to right around Elizabeth's death, we could easily be early by 20 or 30 years, because we just don't know what corsets looked like then. We've got some very unspecific text, a few engravings with poor detail, one deshabile painting, and a few very beat-up stomachers. That was the whole trouble with dating it in the first place! Those of us who studied the Effigy corset before The Great Re-Dating probably had much the same reaction to it I did: "That's NOT 18th Century, but... what the heck is it?" In terms of style and technology, I think it fits best around 1620. But who knows? We need more basis for comparison, and we need things that are solidly dated rather than guessed at or arrived at by process of elimination. "Can't be 18thC or later; doesn't live up to the technology of the late 17thC; they didn't wear corsets much in the early-mid 17thC from all we know; must be ~pre 1630; well, shoot, that's pretty close to Elizabeth's death date, and I think maybe this corset was worn, so who else could it belong to but Regina?" Sorry. If I'm ranting at anyone, I'm ranting at the archaeologists who have yet to present us with the great Early Corset Cache find! =} Right after they're done finding the great late 15th/early 16thC supportive & stiffened dresses find, and the great 14thC 4-panel fitted gowns find, and the.... Busy guys, those archaeologists. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 14:32:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIWAMY032174 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KIW5sK025066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:32:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIVfWC003763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIVVqE024316; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIVB4F023956 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.352.1f2931e (39329) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <352.1f2931e.31c998dd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:30:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 487 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44983F25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/2006 1:08:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: I was at G-Street Seven Corners last weekend (for my annual pilgrimage since I live in Calif) and they had tons of colors & weights of linen. Sure it was OMG pricey, but it was there ,which is more than I can say for any shop in Silicon Valley. Oh, I'm not saying they don't still have good things--they do, but, as you point out, pricey (I wait for the 25% off sales if I can), but not what they used to. Remember when there was stuff piled all over, and you had to dodge the piles to get around? Glad you found a book--they also cut way back on the books a few years ago. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 14:42:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIg1OJ032642 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:42:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KIfuGQ020296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:41:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIfbDe005198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIfPPE033184; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIfG49033037 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5KIf1uj013644 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007c01c69499$135a4cf0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <518.825f05.31c8963c@aol.com> <44980C15.30105@uvm.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] NYC recommendations Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:40:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:41:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44984174.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The link is no good. It just takes you to one of those generic link pages. :-( Darn it! kate ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] NYC recommendations > One store I have info for right at hand is : > > Fashion Fabric, Inc > 270 W 39th (don't know the cross street but it is near 7 - 8 Ave) > > M-F 9-7pm, Sat 10-7pm, Sun 11 - 5pm > > http://www.fashionfabricny.com > (I copied this off their business card) > > As I find more I'll post them. Including one store that ONLY sells linen!! > > Katheryne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 14:42:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIgFVo032648 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KIgA4J029557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIfOK7005170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIa8No028593; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KIa3PG028507 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5KIa1BG009026 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701c69498$6055e6a0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <531.2c4513.31c97260@aol.com> <20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> <44982892.5040901@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:35:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44984182.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The white is lighter in weight than the colored stuff. I just finished a bonnet and shirt for an infant and they turned out just lovely. The stuff that I bought yesterday is ready for me to make a couple of chemises. It's comparable to the 3.5 oz. linen from Fabrics-store.com, maybe just a tad heavier - 4 oz. perhaps. I'm *very* happy with the blend from Jo-Ann's. :-) kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) > Susan B. Farmer wrote: > >> Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: >>> >>> In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>> ailith@neo.rr.com writes: >>> >>> Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, >>> making it >>> $3.99 a yard. >> >> Good chemise weight? > > > What I saw at my local stores was heavier than that, good for a shirt > perhaps, or a summer dress. I've been eyeing it too, and if I buy any I > will probably use it as lining. > > Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 17:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KLHhtf005828 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:17:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KLHc33022569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:17:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KLF32R027574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KLEsFf068939; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KLEnOk068848 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:14:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24729.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.41]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BC1378A0053 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:14:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c694ae$91d62a30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c68fe1$28b9b2f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184742.022f0008@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wigs /Suzi Clark Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:14:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:17:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449865F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Status: RO Hello everyone, I may have found some honest-to-goodness 100% silk velvet at one of my suppliers. It is a white-ish color and would be of limited quantity (less than 35 yards available). I don't know how much it would cost but....I would like to ask how much people would be willing to pay for 100% silk velvet if they could get it. I am asking not because I want to charge as much as possible for it (I have a standard markup formula) but I am asking becuase it would cost ME a lot to order it and I only want to do so if people would be willing to buy it. So please give me your feedback and if it is something people want and I can sell it for a price they would pay, I will order some and make it available to you :~> Thanks so much! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 19:10:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNAb6D010391 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KNAXfw025213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNAJQk047532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNADJV070406; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:10:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGiD6N023543 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:44:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27905 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:44:12 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! 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Status: RO My local JoAnn's and Hancock's are both more oriented towards what you mentioned and the yarns are on a back wall near the clearance items. There are a few more basic yarns in mine. It is what sells, and until more people ask for natural fibers, that is what the chains are going to sell. I used to find more real silks and silk rayon brocades at JoAnns and Hancock/Northwest Fabrics, but not in recent years, since a small designer fabric shop in Omaha(J&J Fabrics)closed some time ago. When the owners of small stores retire or close, it actually seems to allow the chains to drop quality goods, rather than carry them. With fewer spending $$, consumers can't afford to pay the extra for quality. If polyester is still a petroleum-based fiber, shouldn't the cost of gas push its price up so that wools and cottons and silks be a tad more competitive price-wise? Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! Sort of... My local joAnns is more oriented toward the polar fleece, 'cutesy' quilting stuff, yard decorations and dried flower arrangements. The yarn dept is located BEHIND the Clearance items. And all they stock there is the newest novelty yarn and baby yarn and dishcloth cotton. BLEAGH!! To get real fabric I have to day-trip to NYC and visit several stores that specialize in linen. However I haven't found one with good quality wool in a light enough weight to satisfy me. (also, most of the wools I can find are either too much $$$ or have 50% poly) Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Home dec and quilting remain about the same. Crafts has been expanded > to include a bunch of yarn, although there are a lot of holes in that > section, and the framing area seems bigger, too. > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 19:11:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNB5OP010408 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:11:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KNB0wv030148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNAndc047623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNAmbq070904; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KGoEt8029380 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D08EA6DAD for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:49:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4498274B.5060005@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:50:19 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! 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Status: RO E House wrote: > I'll try to find out the future plans--they probably haven't been made > yet, but hopefully I'll be able to manage 30 days advance warning. Is > there anything specific you're interested in? FFO plans to have classes > in all sorts of areas of interest, from making modern purses to > historical corsetry and lots of stuff in between. Thanks! My interests are all over the place, generally anything after 1600, before 1900. The one next month looked interesting, since it's not a period I'm overly familiar with, and I love to learn new things. St Louis is so close.... and yet after paying the house insurance, and the car, and flying to New York for a family wedding.... argh! I wish I had known 3 months ago! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 19:12:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNCe1s010454 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KNCZEp025953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNCLLa047859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNCAWE072003; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KHdMYp078325 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k5KHdHBI018928 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014201c69490$73d88910$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <531.2c4513.31c97260@aol.com><20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> <44982892.5040901@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:39:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449880E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5KNCe1s010454 Status: RO I will be needing to buy underpinnings materials very soon for a mid-1600's corset and farthingale. Should I use linen as the lining for the corset? Would this linen be heavy enough to use? What should I use on the outer side? I think I heard someone mention duck cloth before, but that seems awfully heavy. What should I use for the farthingale? I don't feel the need to go 100% authentic on this, especially since it won't be visable, but I do want it to breath well. Michigan summers are HOT! Natalie I'm an addict, but the only 12 Step program I'm interested in is the twelve steps from here over to that bolt of fabric over there... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > >> >> In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> ailith@neo.rr.com writes: >> >> Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, >> making it >> $3.99 a yard. > > > Good chemise weight? What I saw at my local stores was heavier than that, good for a shirt perhaps, or a summer dress. I've been eyeing it too, and if I buy any I will probably use it as lining. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 19:12:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNCoYK010461 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KNCk4x026857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNCSCC047864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:12:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNCPmk072111; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:12:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts25.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNC8cd071951 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.22]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060620231206.FAGR1747.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:12:06 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! 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Status: RO A lot of what I saw was synthetic, makes my skin itch. Some of it I > could have used for exotic/middle eastern inspired costumes if it had > been a natural fiber, not like I don't already have a closet full of > dance costumes. > > Dawn *snort* Hey, I resemble that remark. :-) I realized the other day that I have been dancing for nigh on 10 years, and the quantity of shiny sparkly stuff in my closet is really starting to get out of control... I look at it as being the best of both worlds, the historical costuming allows me to indulge in my natural fibre addiction, while the dancing lets me go as shiny and synthetic as any person could possibly stand. ;-) Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 19:15:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNFDcG010514 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KNF9XL027539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNExd8048330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNEvnY074402; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav19.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KLWAQq083698 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:31:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.40.57 by BAY106-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:30:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.40.57] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <518.825f05.31c8963c@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Europa Trims: they're baaaack! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5KNFDcG010514 Status: RO To get real fabric I have to day-trip to NYC and visit several stores that specialize in linen. However I haven't found one with good quality wool in a light enough weight to satisfy me. (also, most of the wools I can find are either too much $$$ or have 50% poly) I just got several pieces of very light weight wool from http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/ . Prices ranged from $1.99 to $12.00 a yard. All of the trial squares I cut washed beautifully as well. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 19:15:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNFXm5010521 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KNFSQ6026902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNFGqj048380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNFFue074677; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KLa8Nn087435 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:36:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24729.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.41]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C0B92A50049 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c694b1$8d8a2140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:36:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bad luck! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44988190.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Its ben a while since i last posted here. I had almost lost all my good patience with a projekt i started. It is such a lovely ribbed silk, but its so difficult to work with. I think its the worst silk i have ever tryed. I had cut out the forepart, and the back, the sleaves, and the cuffs. I always starts to make the sleaves of a suit, as it is so easy going. I had just finished both cuffs, and was sewing the buttons on to the cuffs and sleaves, when i stuck my hands so badly and bleeded all over on the inner cuff side for the left sleave. I tryed everything, spit on it, and used earsticks with salt water, but the collour of the silk is so fragile, that it wasnt going to be saved. Then i thoaght, well thats what happens, and i started on the other sleave. You wont believe, the same thing happened to this cuff. I compleately lost my interrest in this, and gave up. The silk is interlined with a calico cotton, and it was so hard to stick into, that i often stuck myself. In the end, i shouted out loud to myself, to h... w... i. Then i rushed off to the fabric shop, and baught myself some lovely oldfashioned silk taffeta. Thank god for that, i know how to work with that. It ended up with a very opalescence shot green taffeta with shades of very pale green. This is for jacket and breeches, and a matching green in the same collour of the pale green, for waistcoat and cuffs of the jacket. It is all going to be embroidered with silver spangels and cut glass beads that looks like the old spangels made of paste. I found these cut glass in excactly same greens as the taffeta.............. As for the ribbed silk projekt, it is put away, and i have stabbed it at the bottom................................... I had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess reenacting is canselled this season........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 20:03:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L03EH8011843 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:03:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L039aS015164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L02qOH056684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L02oio011921; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L02llh011869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:24704 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FsqBK-00019G-PL for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:02:57 -0500 Message-ID: <014601c694c6$060c9080$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060618225250.036aa1a8@pop.radiks.net><0bb701c693ca$ebf9c790$dd00a8c0@compaqub> <4496EDDD.6010402@reddawn.net><003501c693d7$f15f1570$c600a8c0@compaqub> <4498274B.5060005@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Fwd: Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > Thanks! My interests are all over the place, generally anything after > 1600, before 1900. The one next month looked interesting, since it's not a > period I'm overly familiar with, and I love to learn new things. St Louis > is so close.... and yet after paying the house insurance, and the car, and > flying to New York for a family wedding.... argh! I wish I had known 3 > months ago! For the classes, we're generally trying to draw on local or regional experts, and the big thing in this part of the country is Lewis & Clark, along with US Civil War, so the first few years of the 19thC and the 1860s will probably be the main focus of the historical classes. I think we have a few 18thC groups as well. Next time I talk to Cathy, I'll ask her for more details! Actually, she's very friendly and helpful, so if you'd like to email her yourself I'm sure she'd welcome it: cacshantih at sbcglobal.net -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 20:04:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L046aP011864 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:04:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L042N1014755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:04:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L03fdJ056757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L03d78012505; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L03abJ012466 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB8F3AD10106; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:58:07 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:03:41 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1249.67.174.246.110.1150819981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Do you think it would be dye-able? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Diana Habra Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:13 AM To: Historical Costume Cc: GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Question for the list Hello everyone, I may have found some honest-to-goodness 100% silk velvet at one of my suppliers. It is a white-ish color and would be of limited quantity (less than 35 yards available). I don't know how much it would cost but....I would like to ask how much people would be willing to pay for 100% silk velvet if they could get it. I am asking not because I want to charge as much as possible for it (I have a standard markup formula) but I am asking becuase it would cost ME a lot to order it and I only want to do so if people would be willing to buy it. So please give me your feedback and if it is something people want and I can sell it for a price they would pay, I will order some and make it available to you :~> Thanks so much! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 20:28:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L0Sne3012543 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:28:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L0Sinl015836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:28:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L0SRqF060478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L0SMDM030642; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L0SHk8030584 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC81307700E6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 00:02:09 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Status: RO That ribbed silk sounds like it would make good pillows. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] bad luck! Hi, Its ben a while since i last posted here. I had almost lost all my good patience with a projekt i started. It is such a lovely ribbed silk, but its so difficult to work with. I think its the worst silk i have ever tryed. I had cut out the forepart, and the back, the sleaves, and the cuffs. I always starts to make the sleaves of a suit, as it is so easy going. I had just finished both cuffs, and was sewing the buttons on to the cuffs and sleaves, when i stuck my hands so badly and bleeded all over on the inner cuff side for the left sleave. I tryed everything, spit on it, and used earsticks with salt water, but the collour of the silk is so fragile, that it wasnt going to be saved. Then i thoaght, well thats what happens, and i started on the other sleave. You wont believe, the same thing happened to this cuff. I compleately lost my interrest in this, and gave up. The silk is interlined with a calico cotton, and it was so hard to stick into, that i often stuck myself. In the end, i shouted out loud to myself, to h... w... i. Then i rushed off to the fabric shop, and baught myself some lovely oldfashioned silk taffeta. Thank god for that, i know how to work with that. It ended up with a very opalescence shot green taffeta with shades of very pale green. This is for jacket and breeches, and a matching green in the same collour of the pale green, for waistcoat and cuffs of the jacket. It is all going to be embroidered with silver spangels and cut glass beads that looks like the old spangels made of paste. I found these cut glass in excactly same greens as the taffeta.............. As for the ribbed silk projekt, it is put away, and i have stabbed it at the bottom................................... I had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess reenacting is canselled this season........... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 21:08:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L18IM8013770 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L18D0J006034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L17wNX066409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L17uEi063371; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L17q7Z063257 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F921656C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200606210028.k5L0SLLU030636@net.indra.com> References: <200606210028.k5L0SLLU030636@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:07:41 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:08:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44989BFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 6:28 PM -0600 6/20/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Better yet, I remember when they took up seven floors of an ancient >building on G Street, with stuff piled everywhere. If you were willing to >dig, you could find old bolts of wonderful stuff with old wonderful prices >on them, which clearly had not been touched for years. > >--Robin And Joy Trims was still around...SIGH I still have a few leftovers from the last big buy from them. And yes the old G Street was well worth the trip. I know it's heresy but the new ones are just not as wonderful as the old one with the rickety elevator and the great piles of wonderful stuffs... And Minnesota Fabrics had real remnants and Dannaman's in Newark had great bolts of Buddhist Orange silk for $1 a yard...which overdyed so well as well as other great ends. SIGH a moment of silence Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 21:15:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1FwiH013993 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L1FrHi004426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1FYKr067522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1FXZN069640; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1FTo2069557 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:15:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m177.in-tch.com [216.166.191.177]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5L15CK27774 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:05:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001101c694d1$426db6c0$b1bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200606210028.k5L0SLLU030636@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:23:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:15:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44989DCA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have this great visual image of a fabric store that's part Hogwarts and part library from "The Name of the Rose....." *sigh* --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "cahuff" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores > At 6:28 PM -0600 6/20/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >Better yet, I remember when they took up seven floors of an ancient > >building on G Street, with stuff piled everywhere. If you were willing to > >dig, you could find old bolts of wonderful stuff with old wonderful prices > >on them, which clearly had not been touched for years. > > > >--Robin > > And Joy Trims was still around...SIGH I still have a few leftovers > from the last big buy from them. > And yes the old G Street was well worth the trip. I know it's heresy > but the new ones are just not as wonderful as the old one with the > rickety elevator and the great piles of wonderful stuffs... > And Minnesota Fabrics had real remnants and Dannaman's in Newark had > great bolts of Buddhist Orange silk for $1 a yard...which overdyed so > well as well as other great ends. > > SIGH a moment of silence > > Carol > -- > Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 21:18:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1I5Jj014039 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L1I0aj005428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:18:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1HlVs067794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1Hke0071351; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5L1HhmP071290 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 19965 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 01:23:38 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:23:38 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1066.67.174.246.110.1150852974.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <1249.67.174.246.110.1150819981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for the list From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:18:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44989E48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Do you think it would be dye-able? If it is 100% silk, yes. *Very* dyeable ;~> Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 21:38:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1cgUc014791 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:38:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L1cb6V013403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:38:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1cLL0070946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1cHcq088112; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L1cBHZ087906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5L3VMMH027575 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:31:22 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Status: RO On Tuesday 20 June 2006 5:36 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: [snip] > I always starts to make the sleaves of a suit, as it is so easy going. I > had just finished both cuffs, and was sewing the buttons on to the cuffs > and sleaves, when i stuck my hands so badly and bleeded all over on the > inner cuff side for the left sleave. I tryed everything, spit on it, and > used earsticks with salt water, but the collour of the silk is so fragile, > that it wasnt going to be saved. > Then i thoaght, well thats what happens, and i started on the other sleave. > You wont believe, the same thing happened to this cuff. [snip] How unfortunate! Still, the pale green taffeta seems like a lovely substitute. -- Cathy Raymond "I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish." --General Fillmore (from "The Tick," episode 2) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 22:07:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L27RwK015709 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:07:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L27NFW023963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:07:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L27Ctk075295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L27BTD012443; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L2788E012389 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30938 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:43:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:43:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores In-Reply-To: <001101c694d1$426db6c0$b1bfa6d8@pavilion> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4498A9DB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote: > I have this great visual image of a fabric store that's part Hogwarts > and part library from "The Name of the Rose....." That was pretty much it! The lighting was terrible, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 22:28:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L2Sfa4016429 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:28:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L2SadR013728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:28:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L2MfmK077240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L2Mfx3024636; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L2MbKx024567 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m177.in-tch.com [216.166.191.177]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5L2CLK12707 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:12:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <012801c694da$a3e65340$b1bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:30:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:28:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4498AED4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That's what the secret decoder flashlight is for, though, no? I mean, as long as I'm fantasizing about it....;o) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Sue Clemenger wrote: > > > I have this great visual image of a fabric store that's part Hogwarts > > and part library from "The Name of the Rose....." > > That was pretty much it! > > The lighting was terrible, though. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 20 23:40:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L3e3vJ018928 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:40:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L3duu1030597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNDFDN048019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KNDFdZ072909; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5KISWgU021741 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5KIST9k001902 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005001c69497$53548b60$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <531.2c4513.31c97260@aol.com> <20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:28:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:40:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4498BF8C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes! It's lovely stuff and washes up nicely. The hand is a bit stiff in the store (too much size), but after laundering, it's perfect - soft, yet still has some body. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Changes at Joann's- (was Europa trims) > Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > >> >> In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:18:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> ailith@neo.rr.com writes: >> >> Ah, but the linen-cotton blend is on sale for half off right now, making >> it >> $3.99 a yard. > > Good chemise weight? > > Jerusha *needing* good chemise weight ... > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 03:05:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L75P13015795 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:05:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L75K0F012046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L74t9u018339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L74jI0067787; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L74ffx067711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25021 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FswlT-000848-Bg for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: <01ab01c69500$f70079e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1249.67.174.246.110.1150819981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <1066.67.174.246.110.1150852974.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:04:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 03:05:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4498EFB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" > If it is 100% silk, yes. *Very* dyeable ;~> > Diana Except for black. You can _paint_ silk black, but dyeing it black is a nightmare. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 04:50:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L8oKiB003201 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:50:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5L8oFZp019083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:50:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L8l3cM033298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L8kwSF056155; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5L8ks4s056091 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 02:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A63211B1028E; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:41:22 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:46:56 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c6950f$40d24d10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <01ab01c69500$f70079e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:50:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44990847.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Why? Not enough saturation? There is some theatre paint, Roscopaint, I think, which they said could be used to dye material, if thinned a lot. Their black paint was lovely, a true velvet black, not grayed like "black" house paint. I wonder if that would work (not that I'm looking for black, more like just because I'm curious). -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:05 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" > If it is 100% silk, yes. *Very* dyeable ;~> > Diana Except for black. You can _paint_ silk black, but dyeing it black is a nightmare. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 07:06:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LB6rdk001822 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:06:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LB6kua000510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:06:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LB5vgK053858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LB5mgE068050; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LB5g9c067892 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.525.605354 (62976) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <525.605354.31ca81fb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:05:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Status: RO In a message dated 6/20/2006 7:16:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess reenacting is canselled this season........... I do sympathize with you, Bjarne. Sometimes things just don't work. However, you already have such a wonderful wardrobe--if I were you, I wouldn't worry about having something new. I'm sure that you would look fabulous in whatever you wore. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 09:16:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDG5Ca007391 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:16:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LDFwWN013463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:16:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDFI6t074570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDFEKH083202; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:15:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDF9Zr083017 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.527.668db8 (60478) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m04.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM043-ec3e44994650290; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:14:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <200606210028.k5L0SLLU030636@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <8b7accbf1e628a0970e0f410cdb80c86@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:14:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4499468F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Jun 20, 2006, at 9:07 PM, cahuff wrote: > Dannaman's in Newark had great bolts of Buddhist Orange silk for $1 a > yard...which overdyed so well as well as other great ends. > Newark? NJ ???? Is Dannaman's still there? Newark is close-by to me. Not my favorite place to visit but ... Susan "My treasures do not clink together or glitter, they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night." Bedouin proverb _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 09:20:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDKpaF007575 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:20:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LDKkpV028306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:20:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDJwP7075172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDJuLa087731; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDJqJB087647 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id y38so92390nfb for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GeXDn01LeK5zR3QPModWkgbmGoptxCgZjqt576a3fowEsQELr8EfR9Kk662sthPOICDz7iP/g/EPKvSANyhx02xkKhb4M1dZE0hGrEqI5/hSTH/EFPFbhCKzfHmRDDw9x3t6aY5H4H4qhrx12TcojLEIelkenY/lThTESxkhBEo= Received: by 10.49.51.10 with SMTP id d10mr566456nfk; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.231.4 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070606210619l3e36b849xd87f1842ce3cced1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:19:51 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costumes for Oklahoma X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:20:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449947AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I got this message requesting renting costumes for Oklahoma. I don't really rent costumes. Does anyone have a source or recommendation? Katy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: April Howard Date: Jun 1, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: To: info@vintagevictorian.com Hello Ms. Bishop. The bank that I work at is planning our annual party for 2007, which is the centennial for Oklahoma. And in keeping with the theme, we are trying to do the plot of the movie Oklahoma! Would you be interested in renting or know of a rental shop that we can get some costumes for the event in January of 2007? I would really appreciate any information that you can give me. Thanks for your time! April Howard Imaging Systems Administrator Vision Bank NA 1-580-436-8359 ahoward@visionbankok.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this communication may be legally privileged, confidential or otherwise protected by law. 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Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 10:23:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEN4ZJ009875 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:23:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LEMx1s027573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEAVp1083335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEARmO039773; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEAN1O039696 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.248.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.248] helo=faucet.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ft3PR-0002eF-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:10:22 -0400 Message-ID: <4499610C.3050306@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:09:00 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] NYC recommendations References: <518.825f05.31c8963c@aol.com> <44980C15.30105@uvm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44995643.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I get my shirt/chemise linen from A&M Fabric at 214D W. 39th Street (between 7th and 8th Ave). 212-642-4318 To my knowledge, they have no website. Unless their prices have gone up since last I bought from them, they'll sell you nice white linen at $6 a yard if you buy 20 yards, or a bit more per yard for less yardage. This linen is a better quality than what they have at Fabrics-store.com. I can't remember what other linens they have, but it seems like there were some. Happy shopping, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 10:29:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LET0oQ010102 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:29:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LERtuC013434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEKT8Q085743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEKQb9050511; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:20:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:LFspnaSbwSkjhh5vwh0qI97z0KKW3SZD@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEKJWu050351 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.153] (206-124-5-153.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.153]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5LEFcM02803 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:15:38 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <01ab01c69500$f70079e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> References: <1249.67.174.246.110.1150819981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <1066.67.174.246.110.1150852974.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <01ab01c69500$f70079e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:56:59 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:28:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4499576B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not if you use washfast acid dyes. I dye silk black alot very successfully. Sylrog On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:04 AM, E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Habra" >> If it is 100% silk, yes. *Very* dyeable ;~> >> Diana > > Except for black. You can _paint_ silk black, but dyeing it black is > a nightmare. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 10:30:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEUSEM010161 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:30:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LEUNRP003126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:30:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LENbiN086257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:23:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEN6ch053199; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LEMJZO052369 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.248.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.248] helo=faucet.net) by pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ft3b0-0007H0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:22:18 -0400 Message-ID: <449963DB.1090409@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:20:59 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list References: <001901c6950f$40d24d10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:30:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449957FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Habra" > >>If it is 100% silk, yes. *Very* dyeable ;~> >>Diana > > > Except for black. You can _paint_ silk black, but dyeing it black is a > nightmare. I've dyed silk black before with no trauma--I used one of the Jacquard silk dyes from Rupert, Gibbon, and Spider. It helps if you have access to a dye vat, which I did. And steam setting afterwards can be important. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 11:38:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LFco3g012769 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:38:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LFcjX5020555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LFcIe1099275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:38:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LFbtGH035916; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:38:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LFbaad035525 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.235.157]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J17008KJVCBQFU8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:36:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:36:07 -0400 From: "HELEN PINTO" Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Status: RO Bjarne wrote > had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am > sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess > reenacting is canselled this season........... Don't let a difficult piece of fabric get in the way of having a good time. You recently wrote of a wonderful weekend you had, most especially of the company you kept. While making and wearing the clothes are a big part of the re-enactment, what really keeps you around are the friends you make. I know you were set on having that new suit, but we've all seen pictures of your wardrobe of beautiful clothing. Pack some of it in a suitcase and go enjoy yourself. Ignore the yellow, and work on the green suit when you have the time. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 12:21:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGLlT1014314 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LGLhM3028078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGLO3G006418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGL2W7082553; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGKnU9082159 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4d4.23c9282 (15699) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID51-3d53449971d3281; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:20:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <00ba01c69548$6b349570$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> References: <525.605354.31ca81fb@aol.com> <00ba01c69548$6b349570$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Message-Id: <7c088c87aee51a0ac007bbb284cfb187@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5LGLlT1014314 Status: RO I second that ! Go ! Enjoy the people and the event. Don't let a piece of fabric keep you home! You can always "beat it into submission" when you return from your event. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 21, 2006, at 11:36 AM, HELEN PINTO wrote: > Bjarne wrote >> had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am >> sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess >> reenacting is canselled this season........... > > > Don't let a difficult piece of fabric get in the way of having a good > time. You recently wrote of a wonderful weekend you had, most > especially of the company you kept. While making and wearing the > clothes are a big part of the re-enactment, what really keeps you > around are the friends you make. I know you were set on having that > new suit, but we've all seen pictures of your wardrobe of beautiful > clothing. Pack some of it in a suitcase and go enjoy yourself. > Ignore the yellow, and work on the green suit when you have the time. > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 12:21:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGLsmd014317 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LGLnwc017771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGLaxD006475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGLYhq083219; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGLSG7082975 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.50d.e1c460 (32913) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <50d.e1c460.31cacbfd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4499721D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/21/2006 10:25:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: It helps if you have access to a dye vat, which I did. And steam setting afterwards can be important. ******************** See...a pain! What if one just has a washing machine and a stove top? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 12:37:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGbcoH014807 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:37:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LGbY8p024277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGbDST009225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGabXW099558; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGaSaf099173 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A096516504 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200606211423.k5LENABK053282@net.indra.com> References: <200606211423.k5LENABK053282@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:35:38 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449975CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 8:23 AM -0600 6/21/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >> Dannaman's in Newark had great bolts of Buddhist Orange silk for $1 a >> yard...which overdyed so well as well as other great ends. >> > >Newark? NJ ???? Is Dannaman's still there? Newark is close-by to me. > Not my favorite place to visit but ... Newark as in DE, and sadly its a car dealership now--I sorta wince every time I go by... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 12:43:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGhDTR014992 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:43:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LGh8VX026454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:43:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGgXd0010244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGgS9r006071; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LGgKjG005878 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x66so3941pye for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:41:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=b24zJ3RqSH5L3rcuAK7ZLJ/gkDqgqS4q3L+B7KUzVnBaIGhcL1aJCOc54tx1KXGFGwklARq5E6G4IauInzN7q6Isp4czNNkQ6osn3fqokw7fhrhj1Qy4PLf6MMAioliIw5d2KK4kqQ/XJtmxb9tqVBx/D0VSztdekL/l0oQ2HX8= Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr12851pyl; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:41:45 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: G-Street was: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4499771C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> I was at G-Street Seven Corners last weekend ... Remember when there >> was stuff piled all over, and you had to dodge the piles to get >> around? >Better yet, I remember when they took up seven floors of an ancient >building on G Street, with stuff piled everywhere. If you were willing to >dig, you could find old bolts of wonderful stuff with old wonderful prices >on them, which clearly had not been touched for years. Sure! I was a child then, my grandmother would take me down to look at fabrics, but around Xmas, I was there for the dressed models in the windows. Stop making me feel old! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 13:13:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHDVEd015838 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:13:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LHDQwO012257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:13:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHD1I7015178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHCqjk038629; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHCnPo038561 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id 57so11423pya for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nygx6D2sx6liW3tuVwu0g3Fwi9GpV/4WUW2eacZwfPhXqa5rd9M3QrYb66UG9FK9lP1IIKvah82Rdk2TQq/3hV/n2MWVpA0HNvrwVRTf2dzKAEd0dvrzOZv0458pnXxn8KrKXaiyvKO2iRxRzgqXN1oa1c+21otFoN1E3c5aJ28= Received: by 10.35.101.9 with SMTP id d9mr41836pym; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:12:48 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: bad luck! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:13:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44997E36.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I always starts to make the sleaves of a suit, as it is so easy going. I had >just finished both cuffs, and was sewing the buttons on to the cuffs and >sleaves, when i stuck my hands so badly and bleeded all over on the inner >cuff side for the left sleave. I tryed everything, spit on it, and used >earsticks with salt water, but the collour of the silk is so fragile, that >it wasnt going to be saved. I'm so sorry your project is ruined. I have a suggestion for you. This is a very harsh treatment, but since your project is hopeless, you might try hydrogen peroxide. Chemically it's H2O2. It reacts with the iron molecule in hemoglobin and removes the red color from blood. That's the best thing I ever learned out of college biology class. I saved a white wool rug tho it took me an entire bottle of peroxide. Dont leave the peroxide in your fabric, it will continue to eat it. Rinse out with cold water. As ever, try it on a scrap first! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 13:26:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQrDd016213 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LHQmf1027170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQJW7016916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQAmG050241; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LH9xJK035991 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:10:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c63so13755pyc for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=T2o9jyoNcyJE0bhAt9W5kZhOSGdDIV4VMgWI7YouUhAjIiRIDDp49pwvDtOPMlD1hQD9ygqX3y4cJADI0xpct8m7rRbsO7itRmhpAmSXFCMcv1tTgwSC1FeUm0z3GcqcLYZdPRfV4ZJQrdZAo3RKoYUVaPkjC9t9+dpbNFoFg/A= Received: by 10.35.84.16 with SMTP id m16mr40027pyl; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:09:53 -0700 From: Cin To: "Katy Bishop" , h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: costumes for Oklahoma X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44998158.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I got this message requesting renting costumes for Oklahoma. I don't >really rent costumes. Does anyone have a source or recommendation? >Katy American Musical Theater of San Jose rents to groups all over the country as do many other large theater groups. It keeps costume costs down, cuz they get reused. http://www.amtsj.org I no longer have contacts there. Your requester will have to cold-call. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 13:26:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQolo016206 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LHQj83017308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQJOi016917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQ9V2050227; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHDo8X039362 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:13:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02662 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:50:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:50:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: G-Street was: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44998155.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Cin wrote: > Sure! I was a child then, my grandmother would take me down to look > at fabrics, but around Xmas, I was there for the dressed models in the > windows. > Stop making me feel old! If you were a child then, then it's not you who should feel old! I was shopping there for historical costumes in 1979, when I lived in DC for the first time as a summer intern. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 13:26:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQqIr016209 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LHQlJZ007542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQJKm016918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LHQ9hE050233; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LH9VvA035542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:10:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25393 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft6CV-0002Px-QD for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:09:12 -0500 Message-ID: <01e101c69555$679f74e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c694b1$8d8a2140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <12A5117C-011C-11DB-B98A-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Status: RO Look at it this way, Bjarne--if you go wearing something old, and anyone asks you why you aren't wearing something new, you'll have a funny story to tell them! -E House (If I couldn't make fun of my past sewing disasters, I'd have to quit sewing entirely.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 14:35:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIZF4m018076 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:35:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LIYbuw007902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:35:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIYCJn027441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIY5MK015775; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIXtYc015617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25394 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft6FB-0002h6-Qs for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:11:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01e701c69555$ca910be0$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <1249.67.174.246.110.1150819981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc><1066.67.174.246.110.1150852974.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><01ab01c69500$f70079e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:11:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:35:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 4499913D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd love to know what brand then, because I haven't found it sold by any of my sources--most of which tell you straight out that their dye won't work on silk. I've gotten some very lovely dark plums using black washfast acid dye on silk. (I don't mean to sound pugnacious; I really would LOVE to find a great black silk dye!) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 14:43:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIhU2v018265 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:43:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LIhOT5000412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:43:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIh63L028795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIgr1h024460; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:42:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LIgLtS024058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:25444 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Ft6M4-0003LS-CL for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:19:08 -0500 Message-ID: <020701c69556$c8c55720$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <50d.e1c460.31cacbfd@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:18:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 14:43:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 4499934D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: > melanie@faucet.net writes: > It helps if you have access > to a dye vat, which I did. And steam setting afterwards can be > important. > ******************** > See...a pain! What if one just has a washing machine and a stove top? Yeah, that explains it! =} The only way I have to steam set is with an iron, and I'm not about to hold an iron for several seconds over every square inch of 6+ yards of fabric. Nuh uh. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 15:32:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LJWAum019681 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:32:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5LJW5gJ016495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:32:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDwClu081157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LDw8BV026193; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LBlwk7003784 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.213.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.213]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Ft1Bd-0006oT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:47:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <001301c694b1$8d8a2140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <001301c694b1$8d8a2140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <12A5117C-011C-11DB-B98A-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 07:50:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:32:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44999EB5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What a sad thing! Do you ever use a thimble, Bjarne? I never found a metal one I could stand, they made me so clumsy, and I usually wound up not using that finger at all! But now I have two thimbles I use when hand-sewing (quilting, making a multi-layered seam, attaching snaps, hooks, or buttons, etc.) thick or stubborn fabric, and both have saved me a lot of blood (I'm constantly pricking my fingers! With thin fabric I'm not using a lot of force behind the needle, but the more stubborn the fabric the worse the prick!). One is a leather thimble I got in a quilting shop--it has a reinforced tip. The other is a ring thimble one of my actresses gave me--the size of a finger-ring but with dimples to stabilize the needle. Both are very helpful, and neither interferes with feeling the cloth. This is probably old news to you, but just thought I'd mention....Maybe you can retrieve the ribbed silk project sometime. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 20, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Its ben a while since i last posted here. I had almost lost all my > good patience with a projekt i started. > It is such a lovely ribbed silk, but its so difficult to work with. I > think its the worst silk i have ever tryed. I had cut out the > forepart, and the back, the sleaves, and the cuffs. > I always starts to make the sleaves of a suit, as it is so easy going. > I had just finished both cuffs, and was sewing the buttons on to the > cuffs and sleaves, when i stuck my hands so badly and bleeded all over > on the inner cuff side for the left sleave. I tryed everything, spit > on it, and used earsticks with salt water, but the collour of the silk > is so fragile, that it wasnt going to be saved. > Then i thoaght, well thats what happens, and i started on the other > sleave. You wont believe, the same thing happened to this cuff. > I compleately lost my interrest in this, and gave up. The silk is > interlined with a calico cotton, and it was so hard to stick into, > that i often stuck myself. > In the end, i shouted out loud to myself, to h... w... i. > Then i rushed off to the fabric shop, and baught myself some lovely > oldfashioned silk taffeta. Thank god for that, i know how to work with > that. It ended up with a very opalescence shot green taffeta with > shades of very pale green. This is for jacket and breeches, and a > matching green in the same collour of the pale green, for waistcoat > and cuffs of the jacket. It is all going to be embroidered with silver > spangels and cut glass beads that looks like the old spangels made of > paste. I found these cut glass in excactly same greens as the > taffeta.............. > As for the ribbed silk projekt, it is put away, and i have stabbed it > at the bottom................................... > I had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i > am sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I > guess reenacting is canselled this season........... > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 20:24:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M0NwQi030852 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:24:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M0NrMH012235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:23:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M0NFKF074404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M0N9P7014448; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LJRUcl067455 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:27:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC532E0500F6; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:21:55 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Question for the list Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:27:31 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c69568$bdb9b6c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <020701c69556$c8c55720$c600a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:23:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 4499E319.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Maybe take it to a cleaner who has one of those old mangle irons, like for ironing sheets or tablecloths. They do a big area at a time. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list ----- Original Message ----- From: > melanie@faucet.net writes: > It helps if you have access > to a dye vat, which I did. And steam setting afterwards can be > important. > ******************** > See...a pain! What if one just has a washing machine and a stove top? Yeah, that explains it! =} The only way I have to steam set is with an iron, and I'm not about to hold an iron for several seconds over every square inch of 6+ yards of fabric. Nuh uh. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 20:26:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M0QOaK030933 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:26:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M0QJpI022772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:26:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M0Q0iM074854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:26:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M0Q06P016562; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5LMvv1M051131 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b29so110582pya for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IK21s4/uRv+2z3XQml8GEXyhYJej+7RkhP+6OtKSqg6ZI2XZhnZsQfGCTxNfd+aCbcZNWaX4SczHu/G5uQcs/loDBXoZwLR+rfLnAUKxDdXyyC8AiLKrhg546yCzACDnlt5ggp8P/vTr2U1VfxmEWt8IqHbELtbEg6nsbPr8Mtw= Received: by 10.35.88.18 with SMTP id q18mr392884pyl; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:57:47 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: NYC fabric store recommendations X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:26:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 4499E3AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >... promised her that we won't spend too much time fabric shopping. >So, long-winded way of asking: can anyone recommend one or two SPECIFIC >stores ( or even a specific block) for: > - good quality lightweight linen > - silks (not dupioni, which is easy enough to find elsewhere) but >especially taffetas or heavier silks suitable for 18th-19th cent > - fine lawns, voiles or cottons suitable for early 19th cent. Nope, cant recommend "two". A disclaimer here, I have expensive taste in the 16th, 19th & 20th c fabrics. For me, the reason to fabricshop NYC is that there is a wide high end selection available of radical different stuff than what's in Silicon valley. The makings for linings, unmentionables are easily available locally & online. (I also go only 1x @ 2 yrs and must stock up!) These picks reflect that penchant. I was impressed with the selection at: Rosen & Chadwick Paron Fabrics (aka Paron East & Paron West) NY Elegant Fabrics Mountain of Fabrics Parstex Something Woolens B&J fabrics Art-Max Fabrics Ayazmoon Fabric Impressive notions shops: Top Tex Trimmings (you can get 50% off deals for long yardage. ask!) M&J Trimming Joyce Trimming Pacific Trimming S&S Trimmings Lin's Trimming co I didnt get there but got recommendations: Joes' Fabric Warehouse Zarin Fabric Warehouse Always fun to look at: Ressurection Vintage Broadway Vintage CLothiers Off B'way Boutique What Comes Around Goes Around >And, of course, all at super discounts!! Heh, not a chance! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 22:07:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M27QWm002496 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:07:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M27Lmf012418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:07:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M26wBa089257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M26ta1092152; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav20.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M26q3X092115 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:06:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.40.57 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:06:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.40.57] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:06:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:06:47 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 02:06:52.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[87428F30:01C695A0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] any interest in remaindered book? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:07:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 4499FB59.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5M27QWm002496 Status: RO A British remainder dealer just notified me that RECORDS OF THE WARDROBE AND HOUSEHOLD 1285-1286 , published by HMSO, has been sent to them. I have no idea whether it has much information for costumers but I thought I'd ask if there are folks interested in taking the gamble. There are 2 volumes, one with a list price of 35 pounds and one with a list price of 47 pounds. I would be selling each volume for $24 plus shipping. Their next U.S. consolidated shipping should arrive in mid-August (while we're at Pennsic). They also have several other early records available, most t with similar prices: MEMORANDA ROLLS (EXCHEQUER) Michaelmas 1231 - Michaelmas 1233 CALENDAR OF INQUISITIONS POST MORTEM 1405-1413 CALENDAR OF ASSIZE RECORDS: KENT INDICTMENTS during the reign of Elizabeth I a couple volumes of the Calendar of the Patent Rolls during the reign of Elizabeth I If anyone is interested, please let me know, as I am undecided about whether I should order any of these. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 21 22:25:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M2PYrM003222 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:25:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M2PTln017080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M2OrLr092145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:24:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M2OpW8006232; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:24:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5M2Olat006118 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:24:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 69840 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2006 02:24:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zy87EPDHAnDgX65rmOQ4YPxPJq6jr5YJZNRwcKuslERbgfKtIXtLoF3GKrEmXOc0cqfLTFQxUNzvRxMtFxdcrQzg3FPugdPyef49l5Ce+pDBtxP6+5UgB3BFKKpLOTYXBxoqJ4/GLGHuqeAkKxIw2eE4mI9rAh1R8CKiGDozuFY= ; Message-ID: <20060622022442.69838.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.111.196.62] by web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:24:42 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] any interest in remaindered book? 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Status: RO Count me in...and thanks! Chris G. JAMES OGILVIE wrote: A British remainder dealer just notified me that RECORDS OF THE WARDROBE AND HOUSEHOLD 1285-1286 , published by HMSO, has been sent to them. I have no idea whether it has much information for costumers but I thought I'd ask if there are folks interested in taking the gamble. There are 2 volumes, one with a list price of 35 pounds and one with a list price of 47 pounds. I would be selling each volume for $24 plus shipping. Their next U.S. consolidated shipping should arrive in mid-August (while we're at Pennsic). They also have several other early records available, most t with similar prices: MEMORANDA ROLLS (EXCHEQUER) Michaelmas 1231 - Michaelmas 1233 CALENDAR OF INQUISITIONS POST MORTEM 1405-1413 CALENDAR OF ASSIZE RECORDS: KENT INDICTMENTS during the reign of Elizabeth I a couple volumes of the Calendar of the Patent Rolls during the reign of Elizabeth I If anyone is interested, please let me know, as I am undecided about whether I should order any of these. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:50:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:48:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449A1309.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Janet, I would be interested because I'm becoming a sucker for wardrobe accounts. Are you saying that the Records are composed of two volumes (I and II), or that there are two copies, or that there are two sets of copies? I would also be interested in the two Calendar books depending on price. The problem with the Memoranda Rolls is that at that date they tend to be completely unreadable (Latin), which is probably true of the 14-5 Calendar as well. Regina Romsey > A British remainder dealer just notified me that RECORDS OF THE > WARDROBE AND HOUSEHOLD 1285-1286 , published by HMSO, has been > sent to them. I have no idea whether it has much information for > costumers but I thought I'd ask if there are folks interested in > taking the gamble. There are 2 volumes, one with a list price of > 35 pounds and one with a list price of 47 pounds. I would be > selling each volume for $24 plus shipping. Their next U.S. > consolidated shipping should arrive in mid-August (while we're at > Pennsic). > > They also have several other early records available, most t with > similar prices: > MEMORANDA ROLLS (EXCHEQUER) Michaelmas 1231 - Michaelmas 1233 > CALENDAR OF INQUISITIONS POST MORTEM 1405-1413 > CALENDAR OF ASSIZE RECORDS: KENT INDICTMENTS during the > reign of Elizabeth I > a couple volumes of the Calendar of the Patent Rolls during > the reign of Elizabeth I > > If anyone is interested, please let me know, as I am > undecided about whether I should order any of these. > > Janet > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 00:06:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M46KWF007184 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:06:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M46Gpi021317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:06:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M45qL8008265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M45pfV086236; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M45kIb086170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k5M45feT000139 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:44 -0400 Received: from 209.34.0.106 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1080.209.34.0.106.1150949144.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200606210028.k5L0SLLU030636@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: old fabric and trim stores From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449A1738.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Dannaman's in Newark had great bolts of Buddhist > Orange silk for $1 a yard...which overdyed so > well as well as other great ends. I remember when Dannemann's was built, which gave the death knell to Sharrah's. I once got in to the back room to see the wondrous things at Sharrah's. It's funny to hear a reminiscence for a chain store that came in the wave that caused the demise of independent stores. Sigh... -Carol, who also lived in Newark, DE. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 02:20:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M6KYeM019956 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:20:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M6KTTZ019257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:20:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M6K7fl026895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M6K1YX086449; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M6JLf7085995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 00:19:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-14-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.14]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5M6JJaO003626 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:19:20 +1000 Message-ID: <018801c695c3$cb645770$0edbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4471CDA2.4030105@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:19:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:20:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449A36AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne" To: "H-Costume List Post" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions > Hello all! > I am glad to see some discussion going again. To add to it I am still > (very slowly) working on this corset. My next question for those who have > made it before is about the busk. Based on the recent discussion of the > split busk being invented in 1853, it seems I should use a wooden busk for > this transitional corset. However, given the curve along CF, how is that > going to work? Following the seam line exactly, the corset front is quite > straight until just below the waist, where it suddenly curves inward > ending just above my pubic bone (I hope that makes sense). Do you suppose > you need a specially made curved busk? Can you short cut around this and > either have the busk end before the lower curve or straighten out the seam > line? Obviously that is going to change the line of the corset. The > pattern indicates the busk runs entirely top to bottom--16.5 inches on me. > I am concerned that if I get a busk that long that I am going to have it > poking me in the pubic bone when I sit down. I already have this problem > on my existing 1830s corset when I bend over to tie my shoe or cook. > Any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated and thanks in advance! > Anne > -- > Anne Dealy > adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com > (be sure to change "at" to "@") OK I know I'm replying to this a month late (but I just found some new info), but if it's the pattern I'm thinking of, http://www.originals-by-kay.com/corsetry/history/1844cors.GIF which is also reproduced in Corsets and Crinolines then the curve at the bottom is designed to make the busk act like the later 1870s-80s spoon busk. I was just reading Jean Hunisett's 'Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909' and she recommends taking a tuck on either side of the bottom of a straight busk to simulate the shaping of a spoon busk. You can change the shape of the centre front, but (depending on your figure size and shape) you might actually appreciate the spoon busk effect, I've almost finished fitting my mockup of this corset, I straightened out the centre front line but I'm actually considering changing it back to the original shape now I know what it does. As for the length of the busk being too much, there are 2 dots at the bottom of the pattern illustration which makes me think maybe they were eyelet holes to keep the bottom section of the corset together, suggesting to me that the busk doesn't go all the way to the bottom of the centre front, (although this is purely speculation) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 03:24:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7OqvN015949 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:24:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M7Ol5J022855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:24:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7OXJt037251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7OPUe037646; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:24:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7OL4N037587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-219-14-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.219.14]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5M7OIWf011452 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:24:20 +1000 Message-ID: <01dc01c695cc$dfacd230$0edbf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4471CDA2.4030105@genevahistoricalsociety.com> <018801c695c3$cb645770$0edbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 17:24:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:24:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449A45BF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > OK I know I'm replying to this a month late (but I just found some new > info), but if it's the pattern I'm thinking of, > http://www.originals-by-kay.com/corsetry/history/1844cors.GIF which is > also reproduced in Corsets and Crinolines then the curve at the bottom is > designed to make the busk act like the later 1870s-80s spoon busk. I was > just reading Jean Hunisett's 'Period Costume for Stage and Screen > 1800-1909' and she recommends taking a tuck on either side of the bottom > of a straight busk to simulate the shaping of a spoon busk. You can change > the shape of the centre front, but (depending on your figure size and > shape) you might actually appreciate the spoon busk effect, just after posting this I came across this patent from 1840 http://www.haabet.dk/patent/1940/index.html suggesting that the curved front was done on more than one occasion in the 1840s, the text of the patent (click on the link 'text page' at the bottom) says it's for pregnancy, but the important bit is that says 'in the centre front of the corset, a wide steel spring or busk extending to the bottom of the same' it then goes on 'The bottom of this spring or busk is curved so as to readily adapt itself to the distended part' so it's almost an early spoon busk, and it demonstrates that steel busks and non straight busks were used in at least some situations. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 03:56:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7uErs019575 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:56:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M7u9np008073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:56:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7tUbE041752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7tTPP061303; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M7tPw3061240 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b3.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.179]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id F358E8A0089 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:55:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c695d1$3a6c08e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c694b1$8d8a2140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <12A5117C-011C-11DB-B98A-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! 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Status: RO Hi Ruth, I did use a thimble, had to do it because i was stitching trough 4 layers of silk. But it was the other hand i stuck into :-) I started to embroider with silver spangels on the new taffeta. I have drawn the embroidery to a paper, and i embroider on top of the paper. I will tear it away when finished. I emediately fell in love with a boys suit, made for the future Tzar of Russia. It is gorgeous. Made with spangels and cut silver foil. I cant make silver foil flowers- but i use a substitute. I found some filligree flowers many years ago, baught the whole lot, and now i use them for this. I put a cut glass bead in each flower center. The whole design will be very nice, only using silver and the glass beads, are nearly the same collour as the taffeta. Then the whole waistcoat is full of spots made of spangels two, and i will combine the pattern, so that i make the same embroidery on the jacket, only with darker green cut glass beads, and the same flowers and spangels. The best of it is the design with the cuffs. They are made of the same lighter fabric as the waistcoat, and it looks soo good. The cuffs are also having these spots, the jacket doesnt. Pictures later. I have not ben worried any more of the other projekt, i just put it aside.................. And besides, i do have enough spare fabric, to make new cuffs. But thanks for all your suggestions to my bad luck. Troubbles are all forgotten now. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] bad luck! > What a sad thing! > Do you ever use a thimble, Bjarne? I never found a metal one I could > stand, they made me so clumsy, and I usually wound up not using that > finger at all! But now I have two thimbles I use when hand-sewing > (quilting, making a multi-layered seam, attaching snaps, hooks, or > buttons, etc.) thick or stubborn fabric, and both have saved me a lot of > blood (I'm constantly pricking my fingers! With thin fabric I'm not using > a lot of force behind the needle, but the more stubborn the fabric the > worse the prick!). One is a leather thimble I got in a quilting shop--it > has a reinforced tip. The other is a ring thimble one of my actresses gave > me--the size of a finger-ring but with dimples to stabilize the needle. > Both are very helpful, and neither interferes with feeling the cloth. > This is probably old news to you, but just thought I'd mention....Maybe > you can retrieve the ribbed silk project sometime. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> Its ben a while since i last posted here. I had almost lost all my good >> patience with a projekt i started. >> It is such a lovely ribbed silk, but its so difficult to work with. I >> think its the worst silk i have ever tryed. I had cut out the forepart, >> and the back, the sleaves, and the cuffs. >> I always starts to make the sleaves of a suit, as it is so easy going. I >> had just finished both cuffs, and was sewing the buttons on to the cuffs >> and sleaves, when i stuck my hands so badly and bleeded all over on the >> inner cuff side for the left sleave. I tryed everything, spit on it, and >> used earsticks with salt water, but the collour of the silk is so >> fragile, that it wasnt going to be saved. >> Then i thoaght, well thats what happens, and i started on the other >> sleave. You wont believe, the same thing happened to this cuff. >> I compleately lost my interrest in this, and gave up. The silk is >> interlined with a calico cotton, and it was so hard to stick into, that i >> often stuck myself. >> In the end, i shouted out loud to myself, to h... w... i. >> Then i rushed off to the fabric shop, and baught myself some lovely >> oldfashioned silk taffeta. Thank god for that, i know how to work with >> that. It ended up with a very opalescence shot green taffeta with shades >> of very pale green. This is for jacket and breeches, and a matching green >> in the same collour of the pale green, for waistcoat and cuffs of the >> jacket. It is all going to be embroidered with silver spangels and cut >> glass beads that looks like the old spangels made of paste. I found these >> cut glass in excactly same greens as the taffeta.............. >> As for the ribbed silk projekt, it is put away, and i have stabbed it at >> the bottom................................... >> I had hoped to go to an event at the Gustavians in august, but now i am >> sure, i wont make it because i wanted to wear something new. I guess >> reenacting is canselled this season........... >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 04:52:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M8qntp031904 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:52:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M8qjqO030569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:52:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M8qOeC048073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M8qJ7G000353; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:52:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M8qFHS000253 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:52:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k5M8q8a04885.; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:52:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:52:08 +0100 Message-Id: <449A683D02000014000B9A21@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:51:57 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Mid-1600s corset, was Re: Changes at Joann's References: <531.2c4513.31c97260@aol.com> <20060620122024.xpnn304gkgk08cow@www.goldsword.com> <44982892.5040901@reddawn.net> <014201c69490$73d88910$220310ac@wks013lnng> In-Reply-To: <014201c69490$73d88910$220310ac@wks013lnng> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 04:52:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449A5A5D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just to clarify - what date are you actually talking about? To me, "1600s" means 1600-1610, but a lot of people now seem to be using it to mean the 17th century in general, in which case farthingales were no longer worn by mid-century. Or was it a slip of the finger for "16th century"? Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> natalieae@voyager.net 20/06/2006 18:39 >>> I will be needing to buy underpinnings materials very soon for a mid-1600's corset and farthingale. Should I use linen as the lining for the corset? Would this linen be heavy enough to use? What should I use on the outer side? I think I heard someone mention duck cloth before, but that seems awfully heavy. What should I use for the farthingale? I don't feel the need to go 100% authentic on this, especially since it won't be visable, but I do want it to breath well. Michigan summers are HOT! Natalie ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 05:04:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M94V3p002048 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:04:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M94QZv010239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:04:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M941jV049548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M93xqn008358; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:03:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M93rhX008182 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from dator1 (83.248.106.114) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.072.1) id 4499398D0003E930 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:03:48 +0200 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:12:19 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c695db$f70193d0$726af853@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200606220853.k5M8qKq7000361@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: any interest in remaindered book? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:04:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449A5D1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I wonder if you would mind giving the name of the british remainder dealer? There seem to be little point for me, as a European, to buy something that already is in Britain from someone in the US, risking customs fees and with more expensive shipping. /Eva Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:06:47 -0400 From: "JAMES OGILVIE" Subject: [h-cost] any interest in remaindered book? To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >A British remainder dealer just notified me that RECORDS OF THE WARDROBE AND HOUSEHOLD >1285-1286 , published by HMSO, has been sent to them. I have no idea whether it has much >information for costumers but I thought I'd ask if there are folks interested in taking >the gamble. There are 2 volumes, one with a list price of 35 pounds and one with a list >price of 47 pounds. I would be selling each volume for $24 plus shipping. Their next >U.S. consolidated shipping should arrive in mid-August (while we're at Pennsic). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 05:28:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M9SVLs007677 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:28:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5M9SQOb003965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:28:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M9QvfI052530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5M9QqnV024537; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5M9QTV6024238 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 03:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12514 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2006 09:26:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iJTENk5bP4VFedX/gCxRXrX2kF+lwAKYyilM9rCy5eiCFn8/IF3Rn9M+WxuxzgZ7Fb0Hak5X9VT1HS2qcBKahYHk7QPHMdcMz7SN4BEJPrGCt881wDNJUmP8LMCuw87Y9nKnr9xcgde/hL7X9mZ2odL5GuAfdBQgyfDhq1mmONM= ; Message-ID: <20060622092623.12512.qmail@web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26506.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:26:23 BST Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:26:23 +0100 (BST) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: any interest in remaindered book? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000001c695db$f70193d0$726af853@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449A62BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree with Eva. Also, would you mind if I passed your mail on to the 75years group on Yahoo, as it's right in their time period? /Lena --- Eva Andersson wrote: > I wonder if you would mind giving the name of the > british remainder > dealer? There seem to be little point for me, as a > European, to buy > something that already is in Britain from someone in > the US, risking > customs fees and with more expensive shipping. > > /Eva > > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:06:47 -0400 > From: "JAMES OGILVIE" > Subject: [h-cost] any interest in remaindered book? > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >A British remainder dealer just notified me that > RECORDS OF THE > WARDROBE AND HOUSEHOLD > >1285-1286 , published by HMSO, has been sent to > them. I have no idea > whether it has much >information for costumers but I > thought I'd ask if > there are folks interested in taking > >the gamble. There are 2 volumes, one with a list > price of 35 pounds > and one with a list >price of 47 pounds. I would be > selling each volume > for $24 plus shipping. Their next > >U.S. consolidated shipping should arrive in > mid-August (while we're at > Pennsic). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 09:51:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MDpRwn011355 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:51:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5MDpL4m017311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MDob8p084738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MDoT7V012697; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MDoORC012526 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86326767 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.188]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D358146EEB for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs02.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:16 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:16 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:50:14 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964D98C20@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Thread-Index: AcaV2cNfy7jYy6IGQkKXTiMOtDR4KgAJuj4w From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jun 2006 13:50:16.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAB33140:01C69602] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5MDoORC012526 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449AA059.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know if my comments will help at all, but I have a corset with a spoon busk and the front edge of that corset was straight too... It rounds around the outside of the busk, there's no real curve in the center section of the busk where the hooks and bulb-things meet. As a side note, I was disappointed to discover that the fit/shape of a corset with a spoon busk is pretty much identical to one with a straight busk. At least on my size 12 figure. (And I was using the _Corsets & Crinolines_ pattern for the spoon busk corset) > > However, given the curve along CF, how is that > > going to work? Following the seam line exactly, the corset > > front is quite straight until just below the waist, where > > it suddenly curves inward ending just above my pubic bone > > (I hope that makes sense). Do you suppose > > you need a specially made curved busk? Can you short cut > > around this and either have the busk end before the lower > > curve or straighten out the seam line? Obviously that is > > going to change the line of the corset. The pattern > > indicates the busk runs entirely top to bottom--16.5 inches > > me. I am concerned that if I get a busk that long that I am > > going to have it poking me in the pubic bone when I sit down. > > I already have this problem on my existing 1830s corset when > > I bend over to tie my shoe or cook. Any thoughts or suggestions > > are appreciated and thanks in advance! My advice would be to try it with a straight busk and the curved seam first, at least in a mock up -- When I was making my S-bend corset I was amazed by how curvy the seams needed to be in order to be "straight" on the figure, but they were amenable to flat metal boning (rather then spiral boning). As for the length of the busk being too much, there > are 2 dots at > the bottom of the pattern illustration which makes me think > maybe they were > eyelet holes to keep the bottom section of the corset > together, suggesting > to me that the busk doesn't go all the way to the bottom of > the centre > front, (although this is purely speculation) There are many examples of Regency corsets whose busks do not go all the way up or down, and have eyelets that you tie a ribbon though to keep the busk in place... -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 12:56:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MGuHno018509 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:56:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5MGuBGE023283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:56:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MGtksi015434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MGtZMe099079; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MGtPwn098834 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-72-225-255-212.nyc.res.rr.com [72.225.255.212]) by ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5MGraYX007031 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200606220852.k5M8qKq6000361@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New York fabric stores X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449ACBAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm going to stick my neck out here and recommend TWO Fabric stores. I live in New York and I've been a costume designer since 1968. I'm one of those people who doesn't think the shopping is over until I've hit every store in the city. But here goes: B&J at 525 Seventh Avenue on the 2nd floor. B&J is almost always the place I end up buying Really Important Fabrics. Their fine linen is the finest. Their silk taffetas are the nicest. I have dealt with the owner, Mel Cohen, for thirty years and I know he will bend over backwards to help you get what you want. The store is "new" because the building they were in on 40th Street has been leveled. In the old store it was a crawl-and-peep-under shopping experience. The new place is set up differently and I've come to love it. Instead of looking at bolts, you now go through hanging swatches (LARGE swatches - maybe 1/2 yard), much like going through a rack of dresses at Macy's. If you want to see the bolt, they'll gladly get it out for you. This fabric is not a bargain. It's high quality stuff for a fair price. Mood at 225 West 37th, 3rd floor. This is where you may find some real bargains. I recently got a silk for $35 a yard that was $125 a yard at the Scalamandre outlet. Scalamandre had it in six colors, Mood had one. The store is huge and gets better and better. They now have wonderful silks in the home furnishings department and they've got all sorts of leather. It's funky and you're bound to have fun here. If you have time left over, go to 39th Street, between 7th and 8th Avenues and just pop in every single store. That's what I do... Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 13:55:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MHtnI9021063 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:55:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5MHtidK032396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:55:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MHtMEY024955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MHtJtM057676; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MHtCpJ057467 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AA8E00057F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:55:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <449AD970.8060206@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:54:56 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <003a01c69568$bdb9b6c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <003a01c69568$bdb9b6c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Allegory of Colour X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:55:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449AD9A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can anyone tell me more about this? "The allegory of colour, which already at the end of the thirteenth century showed slight signs of development, had now become a language comprehensible to nearly everyone, and the full-fledged dandy had now the means of proclaiming to the world his amorous adventures by the scale of colours displayed in his dress." It's a quotation from "The Black Death: A Chronicle of the Plague Compiled from Contemporary Sources" by Johannes Nohl. My copy was published by George, Allen & Unwin Ltd., in 1961, but the book was first published in 1926. It's on page 153, where he's discussing European life after the plague. Obviously, this is an old book, and scholarship has moved on. Is the concept just one of those myths of costuming? But if it's true, what was this colour code? I'd be grateful to know more about that, but even more grateful to know if this is a reliable author, because he says many more interesting things. Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 15:17:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJHNgO025664 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:17:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5MJHI4x005256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:17:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJGsK8038190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJGdBD036191; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:16:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJGYxI036086 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a2474d.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.77]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 29A0F8A001C for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:16:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000601c69630$61a83cd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:16:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:17:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449AECBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. Also how would you make the holes for sewing? I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more flat. Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 16:37:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MKbB1H029146 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:37:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5MKb68f008725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:37:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJaWqK041329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJaPVR055299; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay106-dav8.bay106.hotmail.com [65.54.161.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5MJaFdu055066 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.47.211 by BAY106-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 19:36:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.47.211] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c695db$f70193d0$726af853@dator1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: any interest in remaindered book? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5MKbB1H029146 Status: RO I am dealing with a wholesale company (minimum order $250, sale tax license required, etc.). They are affiliated with this retail merchant http://www.psbooks.co.uk/ but when I tried to search for "wardrobe", nothing came up. I would think that other British retail stores that specialize in remainders would have this book in a few weeks - it has just come in to the wholesalers so it probably isn't distributed yet. (There are probably a couple other U.S. book merchants beside me that will carry it, but none of us will have them until mid-August because all the U.S. bookstore orders will be sent on a boat together to keep the shipping price within the realm of reason.) Janet I wonder if you would mind giving the name of the british remainder dealer? There seem to be little point for me, as a European, to buy something that already is in Britain from someone in the US, risking customs fees and with more expensive shipping. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 22 20:37:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5N0b5LV012066 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:37:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5N0b0dE011733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5N0aCkS085298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5N0a6XS091267; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5N0a2JO091181 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([222.154.139.51]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060623003556.MMBF26685.fep06.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:35:56 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.2/373]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:36:03 +1200 Message-ID: <004a01c6965d$021df340$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964D98C20@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:36:03 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:37:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449B37AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO << I don't know if my comments will help at all, but I have a corset with a spoon busk and the front edge of that corset was straight too... It rounds around the outside of the busk, there's no real curve in the center section of the busk where the hooks and bulb-things meet. As a side note, I was disappointed to discover that the fit/shape of a corset with a spoon busk is pretty much identical to one with a straight busk. At least on my size 12 figure. (And I was using the _Corsets & Crinolines_ pattern for the spoon busk corset)>> Are you talking about a modern spoon busk? I have heard they aren't like the actual spoon busks of the era. In fact most busks* were curved down the front (spoon or regular) before the straight busk came in in the 1890s, whereas now all busks are straight for recreations. I have handled two modern made busks though, from different companies and one was very rigid, I would use that one in an 1890s or later corset. The other was rather flexible, and I would use that in an earlier simply because the flexibility is going to help get that front curve. Let's face it, too many modern recreations have a very flat front. I got around it by using metal strapping instead of a bought busk and was able to put a bend at the waist. It makes a huge difference and creates a really good hourglass shape. This was the 1880s corset from C&C. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com *Judging by existing corsets of the 70s and 80s... I'm not sure about the very early busks or when the curve was developed. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO Can anyone recommend a solid book on the history and use of measuring tools in the home for things like sewing and cooking? I'm interested in the history and use of the tools rather than measurement systems per se. For the latter, BTW, there are several interesting books by Ronald Edward Zupko. 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Status: RO On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i > might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were > called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in > different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you > know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary > scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? > I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those > flowers i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, > should be more flat. > Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with silver-plated brass or copper. 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Status: RO On Thu, 22 Jun 2006 sunshine_buchler@agilent.com wrote: > I don't know if my comments will help at all, but I have a corset with > a spoon busk and the front edge of that corset was straight too... It > rounds around the outside of the busk, there's no real curve in the > center section of the busk where the hooks and bulb-things meet. I've seen modern "spoon" busks that are flat in profile, is that what you used? Or did you use a curved one like they sell at farthingales? http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php I've never tried using a spoon busk myself but have been toying with the idea, so hearing about other people's experiences is valuable. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 09:48:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NDmeJT010901 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:48:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NDmZCQ014432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NDm9BR085290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NDm1RP070138; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NDltLj070038 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24765.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.101]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 842F6A50080 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:47:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000d01c696cb$a185b620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c69630$61a83cd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? 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Status: RO Hi Heather, Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two. Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove the tape after. I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills will improve with the numbers i make. Thanks a lot for your help Heather........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather jones" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? > On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i >> might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. >> These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different >> shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this >> material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am >> in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. >> Also how would you make the holes for sewing? >> I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers >> i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be >> more flat. >> Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! >> > > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a > better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having > some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval > names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the > shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of > the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place > the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A > thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the > stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using > ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric > again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, > again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp > all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the > same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same > technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with > silver-plated brass or copper. > > Heather > -- > !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail > !! > heather.jones@earthlink.net > heatherrosejones.com > lj:hrj > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 10:13:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEDP8s011847 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:13:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NEDJ8G020093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:13:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NED6VG089417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NED1IP094751; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5N8YNpI019670 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([222.154.139.51]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060623083416.SXYK26685.fep06.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:34:16 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.2/373]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:34:24 +1200 Message-ID: <007a01c6969f$d50cf340$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk><015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris><004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion><06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> <7.0.1.0.2.20060620123921.0231d1d0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:34:24 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=88% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:13:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449BF6FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think there is a picture of the Manchester stays in "Corsets and > Crinolines", with a later date. I have a drawing from a student of > the same stays, also dated later. I think that date given was 1670 - > court dress of this time had the tops of the shoulders exposed. I just got out Cut of Women's Clothes also by Waugh, the 1968 printing, and plate 10 shows the stays laid out and a date of 1645 is given. "10. 1645. Corset of cherry red satin, bound with turquoise ribbon. El Wilson Filmer collection. Art gallery, Hull This corset shows the low horizontal neck line as seen in the back view on Plate 12." And plate 12 is a paiting "La Toilette" G. ter Borch, Rijksmuseum Amsterdam. Just thought I'd pass that on. I love this book by the way. I'm just glad I finally got my hands on a copy! Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 22/06/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 10:14:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEEsqP011907 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:14:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NEEmdA025035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:14:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEETQZ089671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEED96095951; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep04.xtra.co.nz (fep04.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5N8bJ4G021685 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([222.154.139.51]) by fep04.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060623083713.HKAU19789.fep04.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:37:13 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.2/373]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:37:21 +1200 Message-ID: <008001c696a0$3eb7e250$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964D98C20@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:37:21 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=88% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:14:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449BF758.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I've seen modern "spoon" busks that are flat in profile, is that what > you used? Or did you use a curved one like they sell at farthingales? > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php I've never tried using a spoon > busk myself but have been toying with the idea, so hearing about other > people's experiences is valuable. :) Thanks for that, I'll save this info for later, in case anyone asks where to get a curved busk from. I too find them invaulable especially when people can give explanations for the various qualities of their supplies:) Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/373 - Release Date: 22/06/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 10:19:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEJYLU012124 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:19:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NEJTou009648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEJ27F090452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEJ0XV001127; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NDorW8072691 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k5NDorRj066981 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009901c696cc$0aa0c140$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c69630$61a83cd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <000d01c696cb$a185b620$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5NEJYLU012124 Status: RO Instead of scissors, you could maybe try using tin snips. They can cut pretty thick metal, so it might be easier on your hands to use those. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? Hi Heather, Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two. Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove the tape after. I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills will improve with the numbers i make. Thanks a lot for your help Heather........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather jones" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? > On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i >> might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. >> These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different >> shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this >> material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am >> in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. >> Also how would you make the holes for sewing? >> I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers >> i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be >> more flat. >> Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! >> > > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give a > better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having > some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval > names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the > shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of > the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place > the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A > thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the > stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using > ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric > again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, > again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp > all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the > same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same > technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with > silver-plated brass or copper. > > Heather > -- > !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail > !! > heather.jones@earthlink.net > heatherrosejones.com > lj:hrj > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 10:41:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEfGJW012976 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:41:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NEf9og002897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:41:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEeDk1093540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEe0xI022240; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEdrC1021994 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k5NEdkq18584.; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:39:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:39:46 +0100 Message-Id: <449C0B3002000014000B9C7F@cluster1-gwise3-server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:39:28 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corset at Manchester Galleries References: <3586f5070606160749q14369fbek88c62555964386de@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060618184558.022c0238@suziclarke.co.uk> <015c01c693e7$d1cc3f70$0300a8c0@boris> <004c01c6940c$998b4f00$50bfa6d8@pavilion> <06cf01c69410$c6a44600$0301010a@michaela> <00ec01c6948e$a7fb02b0$c600a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <00ec01c6948e$a7fb02b0$c600a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:41:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449BFD85.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was away when the original message was posted and, when I got back, couldn't access the page. Now I have seen the corset, I agree with what others have said. The long waist and dropped shoulders suggest to me the 1650s-60s. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 10:45:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEjtMs013168 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NEjomW024128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEjSTc094473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NEjRsK027659; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5NEjNXn027520 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hanstar88@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35306 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jun 2006 14:45:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4kdGG3YWQBCKJEXdZODNU4nnJKwZ7ps7uZ+N3JNOd4B+d37SNFKxv4YHxhiRQPireIydWgzMPe5gHK9RDiL2ZbK6/7cU6gnP5uBWenZRBGKzTUE6XfgnGVcW5JxyBWqAXl6+3RY52lJRyHQp0aiGdmx7o/clZtNPAsogBRyrwBM= ; Message-ID: <20060623144517.35304.qmail@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.169.12.111] by web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:17 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606202309.k5KN9Gan069733@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Detroit suggestions (was NYC recommendations ) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:45:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449BFE9E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm glad this subject came up and *thanks* to all for the recommendations. I'm also going to NYC in July and I'm determined to get to the fabric stores this time! I went 2x last summer and never did get to indulge in my addiction!! LOL I will also be going to Detroit for a few days. I'll be close to the DIA, although I think I read that they are remodeling (or something) and many exhibits will be closed. Any other suggestions of sights to see (doesn't have to be costume related!) close to the downtown area? I don't know much about Detroit -- and I won't have a car for long distance trips. Thanks! ~mary h-costume-request@indra.com wrote:From: Hope Greenberg Subject: [h-cost] NYC recommendations Speaking of NYC: I'll be heading down there this summer and (obviously!) need to visit some fabric stores. I used to cruise around Orchard St. but that was many years ago. This time through I'll have my daughter in tow and have promised her that we won't spend too much time fabric shopping. So, long-winded way of asking: can anyone recommend one or two SPECIFIC stores ( or even a specific block) for: - good quality lightweight linen - silks (not dupioni, which is easy enough to find elsewhere) but especially taffetas or heavier silks suitable for 18th-19th cent - fine lawns, voiles or cottons suitable for early 19th cent. And, of course, all at super discounts!! Thanks. - Hope «:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:».«:*´`´`*:»§«.»§«:*´`´`*:» "But if by 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by 'Liberal', then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal'." ~ John F. Kennedy, 14 Sept 1960 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 12:07:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NG7scq016811 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:07:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NG7nwx023690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:07:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NG7DF7008250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NG6g9c012324; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NG6Za9012113 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24765.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.101]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 41A61FAC018 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000501c696de$fefd5840$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449C11D5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi. Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree flowers. I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they two much? The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 12:29:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGTpUY017849 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:29:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NGTkwo019680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:29:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGTOel010916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:29:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGSd9Y033956; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5NGSEtO033384 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 9244 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 09:28:09 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9193, pid: 9201, t: 4.4181s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 09:28:05 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060623092154.022029f0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:27:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit In-Reply-To: <000501c696de$fefd5840$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c696de$fefd5840$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:29:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449C16FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:06 AM 6/23/2006, you wrote: >Hi. >Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice >even flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the >filligree flowers. >I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. >I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think >are they two much? >The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > >Bjarne I see what you mean about the flowers, which are very pretty, but not quite what you were looking for. My biggest problem would be catching them on everything. Since you have not been able to find flat flowers, have you considered using two sizes of spangles, a larger one for the center and then the smaller ones as petals? If you sew the smaller ones first in a circle, and then put the larger one in the center partially covering the smaller ones, so they look more like petals, do you think that would work? Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 12:57:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGvNiD018940 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:57:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NGvGYa021107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:57:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGuoNl016977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGuhV7059985; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGuXZf059741 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:56:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c59so800850pyc for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L+2vsntoocwg7cmBpfo+7/Nbv9C1j0BDwSHMCr4+gHPPwuKh0IqJZhpR6lh5ZQerbtECdmt2Wp3adtStQR0A9D1Sa9HhFx+tFYwwv4Kxo0bMV1I3y4mr6gSKNJz+PvDc+IuhW1ibkXsdQwOtg23pbk4sZhkhclmvNfIlp7RW/qI= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr2519554pym; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? 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Status: RO On 6/23/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might > could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These > were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining > collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it > hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut > like a flower with 5 leaves. Bjarne, Paillettes, bezants, there's lots of names for those things. To make your own, I would use jewelers shears. Probably the handheld snips are enough for your soft thin silver sheets. They're like tin-snips, but small size for detail work. Short blades so you dont have to force the cut & miss your aim. http://www.contenti.com/products/shears.html http://www.contenti.com/products/shears/410-909.html Here's a picture. I've never purchased from this dealer. It's just the clearest image I cound quickly. Click the enlarge bttn to see the curved point snips that would be nice for your leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? > I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i > use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more > flat. > Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! For piercing, I'd use a tiny center punch & small hammer. Place the silver sheet on a wood block, of course, so as not to destroy your dining room table. After you make the hole, I'd run the tiniest rat-tail file in the hole to smooth the edges. Otherwise the rough hole might cut your thread. Again, these are common jewelers tools. Small punch: http://www.contenti.com/products/punches-stamps/380-845.html This site calls rat-tail file a needle file instead: http://www.contenti.com/products/files/231-435-1_0.html All I ever want is pictures of your work... this latest project sounds delicious! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 13:05:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NH5Wdp019274 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:05:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NH5R5M009399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NH4Pfb018181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NH4LdE068234; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:04:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NH4HYt068094 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gawne@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k5NH4DOb018269 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from UROPORTABLE (dhcp073132.fhcrc.org [140.107.73.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id k5NH4Br5007142 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00c601c696e7$0cf5b980$f1b36b8c@UROPORTABLE> From: "Agnes Gawne" To: References: <200606231445.k5NEjSeM027686@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:04:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Detroit suggestions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:05:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449C1F57.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You should definitely go to the Detroit Institute of Arts to see the entire room covered in Diego Rivera Frescos. It represents "Detroit Industry" in the 1930s. Plan on sitting in this courtyard (roof was added later) to see the four walls. If you give yourself enough time you can see the entire process of automobile manufacture. It is really an impressive work of art, although it doesn't have too much fashion. There are also some great paintings in the museum and even a Mummy in the antiquities section but the Frescos were the highlight when I visited. I don't know of any fabric stores there in Detroit or the environs. > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Detroit suggestions (was NYC recommendations ) > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: <20060623144517.35304.qmail@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I'm glad this subject came up and *thanks* to all for the recommendations. I'm also going to NYC in July and I'm determined to get to the fabric stores this time! I went 2x last summer and never did get to indulge in my addiction!! LOL > > I will also be going to Detroit for a few days. I'll be close to the DIA, although I think I read that they are remodeling (or something) and many exhibits will be closed. Any other suggestions of sights to see (doesn't have to be costume related!) close to the downtown area? I don't know much about Detroit -- and I won't have a car for long distance trips. > > Thanks! > ~mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 13:14:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHEL8u019608 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:14:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NHEEc1027647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:14:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHCtt2019534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHCl8g077274; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHChMe077027 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osmanthus@comcast.net) Received: from amypc (c-24-63-230-36.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.63.230.36]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006062317122901200kec4fe>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:12:29 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c696e8$35eafed0$6501a8c0@AmyPC> From: "Amy Butler Greenfield" To: References: <200606230031.k5N0VYm7088308@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Allegory of Colour X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449C2166.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Can anyone tell me more about this? > > "The allegory of colour, which already at the end > of the thirteenth century showed slight signs of > development, had now become a language > comprehensible to nearly everyone, and the > full-fledged dandy had now the means of > proclaiming to the world his amorous adventures by > the scale of colours displayed in his dress." Linda, I looked into this question of "color coding" when I was working on my book about the history of the color red. There was indeed a language of color at work at the time, and you can find Renaissance books and other documents that spell out the meaning of different colors. One of the most famous and influential is Sicile's Le Blason des couleurs, written in the 15th century (but more easily available in a French reprint from 1860). What I'd argue with, though, is the idea that the language was "comprehensible to nearly everyone." Often the specific meaning of a color depended on which text you consulted. Red was actually one of the more consistent colors, tending to signify ideas related to fire and boldness, but even so its meaning to one author might be courage and to another, anger. And sometimes the meanings of a color diverged much more widely. The Elizabethan lexicons are the most fun to read, in part because they are specific to the point of absurdity. A good source on this is Jane Ashelford, Dress in the Age of Elizabeth I (London, 1988). For a more general look at the question of color and meaning in clothing and painting and heraldry, you might also want to turn to John Gage's Color and Culture, or to the various works of Michel Pastoreau (though I should add the caveat that Pastoreau's evidence is not always what it should be). Enjoy! Amy G. Amy Butler Greenfield www.amybutlergreenfield.com cochineal@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 13:43:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHhO7t020670 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:43:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NHhJoX026920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHh2TI025770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHh0c0009533; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHgumF009375 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.364.6aeb57e (39954) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <364.6aeb57e.31cd8215@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:42:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Allegory of Colour To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:43:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449C2837.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, osmanthus@comcast.net writes: and the > full-fledged dandy had now the means of > proclaiming to the world his amorous adventures by > the scale of colours displayed in his dress." ********************** It's the period "hanky code" !!!!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 13:46:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHkg0q020850 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NHkb1A024555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHkPfN026255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHkOj8012875; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NHkILl012777 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=JGMgmay1tIRbUMJPLvqapbSMhk9GOkkWzaZGMr+Jv9H4Inu/rZnD3KKNOkuJxnjj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FtpjV-0005Mv-NS for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:17 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:17 -0400 Message-ID: <17899132.1151084777720.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:46:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c17cf23adcad2cce200d75c20e6e08a25350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:46:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449C28FD.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i > might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were > called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in > different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you > know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary > scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? Hi Bjarne -- Yes, I'm on this list, and here's the information on my experiments making paillettes or bezants: A short report and a couple of photos of my first efforts (and a very nice medieval original!): http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm Here are the articles I wrote for our local Needleworkers' Guild newsletter: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/stars_spangles_studs.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/bezants_decorating.html I am going to be teaching two classes on making bezants in July (sorry, Bjarne, they're in California! :) so I've been looking for a less expensive source of metal. Both of the Internet addresses in the "Make your own Bezants" article seem to have what I need, in both gold (brass) color and silver (aluminum) color. Of course they are both in the USA, but perhaps you can print out the information and look for other places that have the same thing. This stuff is really easy to use -- you can cut it with ordinary scissors and make holes with an ordinary large sewing needle. Good luck! ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 14:36:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIaEID022630 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:36:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NIa94C013482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:36:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIZ242034084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIYeZS059414; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIYXit059274 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12378 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:11:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:11:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Allegory of Colour In-Reply-To: <001801c696e8$35eafed0$6501a8c0@AmyPC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449C3499.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Linda cited this quote: > > "The allegory of colour, which already at the end > > of the thirteenth century showed slight signs of > > development, had now become a language > > comprehensible to nearly everyone, and the > > full-fledged dandy had now the means of > > proclaiming to the world his amorous adventures by > > the scale of colours displayed in his dress. Amy commented: > What I'd argue with, though, is the idea that the language was > "comprehensible to nearly everyone." Often the specific meaning of a > color depended on which text you consulted. I also find the quoted statement highly suspicious. Certainly artists and poets used color symbolism to telegraph the nature of various characters, and ceremonial clothing (e.g. ecclesiastical vestments and dress for knightings, coronations, etc.) used specific colors for symbolic purposes. But whether this translated into secular clothing is problematic. It is quite possible that in a few rarified circles, perhaps even within specific courts, that there was such a "code," but it would likely have changed from place to place and period to period. Also, given that this author is discussing the 14th century, it's worth remembering that most people had highly limited wardrobes -- even wealthy nobles may have had only three or four gowns, and many people had only one or two. Clothes were "durable goods" -- that is, buying a new set of clothing was like buying a refrigerator or car today. So for anyone but the very wealthiest, the ability to change one's gown color to declare one's amorous adventures was unlikely. I'm not sure what the author is thinking of regarding the "end of the thirteenth century," but I seem to recall that at least one of the 12th century manuals on courtly love (perhaps the one by Andreas Cappelanus) dictated what colors suitors were supposed to wear to indicate the stage they'd reached in negotiations with their prospective lovers. Whether anyone outside of fictional romances and Eleanor of Acquitaine's court actually did this is an open question. There's a wealth of literature on the courtly love phenomenon, so I'm sure someone has already investigated that. I'd start with Jane Burns' "Courtly Love Undressed" for some insight; it focuses on literature, but it might contain some nuggets about real-life clothing, or some references to other studies. (I've only glanced at it myself.) It's worth remembering that the 18th and 19th century English (and maybe other Europeans?) were very fond of systems such as the "language of flowers" and the "language of fans," and many authors (both historians and literary writers) of those centuries imbued medieval people with all sorts of fancy manners and mannerisms that struck them as suitably romantic. These authors would not hesitate to pick up on a fancy such as the courtly love color rules, or the Elizabethan lexicons that Amy mentions, and declare that these rules were in force across a broad range of social classes, regions, and centuries. Such non-facts would then be repeated in book after book over many decades. Your author, writing in 1926, was very likely drawing on such unreliable sources. (Costume books of this period are notoriously derivative of Victorian pseudo-scholarship.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 14:42:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIg9w4022764 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:42:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NIg4ne012292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:42:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIfiKF034986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIfefn065739; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIfYiY065634 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24765.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.101]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C2928A0028 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:41:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c696f4$b3343e90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:41:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] bezants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:42:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449C35FC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Chris, Did you make that flower with 5 leaves on the bottom photograph of this site: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html Is it possible to cut out the outer layer of the foil, so that you only get the flower? Is there a chance i could buy such a stamp from you? I think i could use that on the steel foil i baught today. What i like is the shape, and the 5 flower leaves, matches very nice to the shape i am after. The steel foil is the same "silver" colour as my spangels. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 17:13:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NLDaWQ027401 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:13:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5NLDVc3007713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:13:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NLCneP058123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NLCJiC004033; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NLCCQf003837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from int.omr ([172.20.50.104] helo=omr.tzo.com) by omr.tzo.com with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ftswg-0004aa-Vs for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:12:07 -0400 X-TZO-Forward: h-costume@indra.com Received: from 71.197.44.2 by omr.tzo.com id 2006062317120748403 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:12:07 GMT Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:08:38 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bezants Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:12:06 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <003f01c69709$ae68ee50$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002101c696f4$b3343e90$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 Thread-Index: AcaW9WYOCSsHZlcHSny0n6UoY/lKbwAE/ygA X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 21:08:38.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[32BF8570:01C69709] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:13:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449C597B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try here- there are a couple of cincfoils (spelling?)...also some quatrefoils. HTH Betsy http://www.tandyleather.com/products.asp?dept=410 I'd be happy to handle the purchase and shipping for you... Tandy HQ used to be very near here till Leather factory bought them out. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] bezants Hi Chris, Did you make that flower with 5 leaves on the bottom photograph of this site: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html Is it possible to cut out the outer layer of the foil, so that you only get the flower? Is there a chance i could buy such a stamp from you? I think i could use that on the steel foil i baught today. What i like is the shape, and the 5 flower leaves, matches very nice to the shape i am after. The steel foil is the same "silver" colour as my spangels. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 20:38:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0cqSw001846 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:38:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O0cjmW017114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0cAIO087420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0bn8l059060; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0bfZq058944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Ftw9a-0001hO-N9; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:37:38 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:37:38 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the "Legends of Zelda" video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's *fun* Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no avail -- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the dang thing! 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Status: RO Try tracing the shape with a ballpoint pen. Press hard, while working on a padded surface. Then cut on the lines. You can also color the metal, my kids use permanent markers, gives a nice translucent, jewel-like look. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? Hi Heather, Thanks for your valuable informations. I went to a craftstore, after work today, and found stainless steel plates. They are just the thickness i want. I just cut out a flower with my scissors, worked ok, but it is a little difficult. Then i hammered holes with a nail and hammer, worked fine two. Its very difficult to draw the shape to the steel because it goes away when i touch with my fingers, but i thoaght about tracing the flower to painting tape, wich i then will take over the steel, and then cut out. Then remove the tape after. I can imagine it is better to stamp out the shapes, but i want a particular shape, because i want the same as an embroidered suit has, guess my skills will improve with the numbers i make. Thanks a lot for your help Heather........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "heather jones" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? > On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i >> might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. >> These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different >> shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this >> material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am >> in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. >> Also how would you make the holes for sewing? >> I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers >> i use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be >> more flat. >> Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! >> > > I don't remember if my friend Chris is on this list -- she would give > a > better answer than me on her experiments with these. She has been having > some success making paillons (or "bezants" under one of the medieval > names) out of thin metal sheets sold for craft purposes. To make the > shape, she uses stamps sold for stamping leather, which come in a lot of > the same types of shapes that were used historically for these. You place > the metal sheet on a surface that is stiff but will "give" a little. A > thick piece of leather works very well. Then stamp the shapes using the > stamps and a hammer. After that you can cut them out of the sheet using > ordinary scissors (but don't use scissors you ever plan to use for fabric > again!) and punch holes for sewing using a heavy needle or a small awl, > again using the leather as a backing. It seems to work best if you stamp > all the shapes on the metal sheet first and then cut them all out at the > same time. Chris has been working mostly with brass but I think the same > technique would work with silver (if you want to spend the money!) or with > silver-plated brass or copper. > > Heather > -- > !! Computer crash lost recent e-mail -- please contact if I owe you mail > !! > heather.jones@earthlink.net > heatherrosejones.com > lj:hrj > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 20:58:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0wcwj002483 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:58:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O0wXRP021940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0qxIB089445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0qvGq070045; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5O0qrGI069981 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 90366 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2006 00:52:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3/IQ+WOyBgaBmvgjmeoQTvjE0Vd/Fp4c1/YjmIP7pnZotPxzNju0HABdWmbCoKbniUEKl/NWoNsFvEmuAE8aHzRyFw2tKPNdqyJxKe28jHaq4FgE6T/djFWNqgXSYxTpBtU3i9YmEChwiEjyzgkVXdaYBbZypbVkt9QW/zQ5wL8= ; Message-ID: <20060624005249.90364.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.27.68] by web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:52:49 PDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Doublet closure X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:58:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449C8E39.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I need to pick your brains again. I am coming down the homestretch on the garb for my son. (Good thing, dress rehearsal is 7/1!!!) The slops and doublet are done except for tacking the lining in the doublet and although I like the over all look, I don't like the way the front closure looks. I had planned to use hook/eye, but now I think the front looks too bland. It is too late to sew loops into the front seam for buttons and I have braid trim running along both sides, so no place for lacing holes. If I had my son make some monkey fist knots out of metalic gold cord and then did a froggy loop kind of thing over the braid, would that be appropriate? Any other ideas or notions? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 21:01:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O11ZDc002637 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:01:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O11U3N024475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:01:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O115XU090346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O114NL075360; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O10x7l075313 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:01:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AD81ED000D2; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:55:29 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? 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In Redwood City, there is a place called Allen Steel. It has tons of metal stuff, from and old submarine (small sized) to rolls of metals, some very thin. Inexpensive, too. 650-369-2526. I'd be happy to check it out for you if you let me know what you're interested in. Sharon (from the St. George group) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chris Laning Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i > might could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were > called. These were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in > different shining collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you > know this material? Is it hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary > scissors? I am in need of some cut like a flower with 5 leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? Hi Bjarne -- Yes, I'm on this list, and here's the information on my experiments making paillettes or bezants: A short report and a couple of photos of my first efforts (and a very nice medieval original!): http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm Here are the articles I wrote for our local Needleworkers' Guild newsletter: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/stars_spangles_studs.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/bezants_decorating.html I am going to be teaching two classes on making bezants in July (sorry, Bjarne, they're in California! :) so I've been looking for a less expensive source of metal. Both of the Internet addresses in the "Make your own Bezants" article seem to have what I need, in both gold (brass) color and silver (aluminum) color. Of course they are both in the USA, but perhaps you can print out the information and look for other places that have the same thing. This stuff is really easy to use -- you can cut it with ordinary scissors and make holes with an ordinary large sewing needle. 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Status: RO Sew metal/plastic circles onto the inside, then lace up. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:53 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Doublet closure I need to pick your brains again. I am coming down the homestretch on the garb for my son. (Good thing, dress rehearsal is 7/1!!!) The slops and doublet are done except for tacking the lining in the doublet and although I like the over all look, I don't like the way the front closure looks. I had planned to use hook/eye, but now I think the front looks too bland. It is too late to sew loops into the front seam for buttons and I have braid trim running along both sides, so no place for lacing holes. If I had my son make some monkey fist knots out of metalic gold cord and then did a froggy loop kind of thing over the braid, would that be appropriate? Any other ideas or notions? Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 21:12:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1CZp7003014 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:12:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O1CUlD022295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O171pV091036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O16wpA079050; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ares.directcon.net (ares.directcon.net [207.215.93.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O16srf079007 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: from dnyeaqvf (66-81-46-246.nocal.dialup.o1.com [66.81.46.246]) by ares.directcon.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id k5O16rS26763 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c6972a$647a6000$f62e5142@dnyeaqvf> From: To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:12:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449C917E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just goes to show how old I am...when I saw this title I was thinking a groovy Afro and bellbottoms. Margo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) > My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the > "Legends of Zelda" video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's > *fun* > > Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no avail > -- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the > dang thing! > > Thanks, > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 21:17:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1HhOU003171 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:17:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O1HdVG028754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:17:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1HMO4092869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1HIcB086435; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:17:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1HDpR085903 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2006062401163301100epjjue>; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:16:33 +0000 Message-ID: <449C9270.5090802@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:16:32 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) References: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:17:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449C92B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Susan! I found that for anime-related costumes, it helps to search using the term cosplay, which means, obviously, costume-play. Here's what I found for you: http://www.thelostwoods.net/pikminlink.html http://aanime.free.fr/Epita2005/Neko7-Epita2005N7-197.JPG http://www.northcastle.co.uk/guild/art/noman/Lamellar_Photo.jpg Three interpretations of the costume. The actual character - http://bishounen.info/link/link01.jpg A good source for elf ears - http://www.hightowercrafts.com/page33.html Hope this helps! :) Marie >My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the >"Legends of Zelda" video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's >*fun* > >Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no avail >-- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the >dang thing! > >Thanks, >susan >----- >Susan Farmer >sfarmer@goldsword.com >University of Tennessee >Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology >http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 21:26:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1Qt9Q003458 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:26:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O1Qpfr031535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:26:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1QLQ6094104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1QJrA092957; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:26:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1QEDI092827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:26:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FtwuZ-0004wM-1E; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:26:11 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:26:10 -0400 Message-ID: <20060623212610.x9cxdir7k4csog0o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:26:10 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Marie Schnoor : > Hi Susan! I found that for anime-related costumes, it helps to search > using the term cosplay, which means, obviously, costume-play. *giggle* learned a new word today! :-) > > Here's what I found for you: > > http://www.thelostwoods.net/pikminlink.html > http://aanime.free.fr/Epita2005/Neko7-Epita2005N7-197.JPG > http://www.northcastle.co.uk/guild/art/noman/Lamellar_Photo.jpg Thanks! I'll spend some time with those. > > Three interpretations of the costume. > > The actual character - http://bishounen.info/link/link01.jpg Yeah -- I keep hoping I can find a larger one. > > A good source for elf ears - http://www.hightowercrafts.com/page33.html I don't know that he wants the ears -- just the tunic! > > Hope this helps! :) Sure does. Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 21:31:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1Vl4w003612 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:31:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O1VgC1026776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:31:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1VUtF094535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1VSVY096426; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:31:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1VO51096391 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.230.123]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J1C001J8C7MAJ55@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:31:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:30:49 -0400 From: "HELEN PINTO" Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <010901c6972d$d4b08ae0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:31:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449C95FE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan wrote: > My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the > "Legends of Zelda" video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's > *fun* > Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no avail > -- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the > dang thing! Try an image search at altavista ( www.altavista.com ). Click on "Image" in the tool bar, then search on "link +zelda", and you will get over 10 pages of images, some full-length, and some even of people in costume as Link. Good luck, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 22:22:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O2M6wo005126 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:22:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O2M1lF008512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:22:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O2LXl6001242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:21:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O2LUic031927; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O2LQ18031849 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.53a.f34adc (57317) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:21:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <53a.f34adc.31cdfb9b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:21:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet closure To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:22:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449CA1C9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/23/2006 9:12:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: You can do what I did for my doublet gown, use buttons as decoration and use hooks and eyes to close it. ********************* That was my idea too. I'm sure they did this in the period as well. A lot of buttons close together looks good but can start to get expensive. I have a doublet with plastic buttons [that really button] that look like fancy 3-D carved bone but cost very little so the 17 down the front wasn't that expensive. I also made a doublet with a gazillion buttons down the front, so close they were touching, but the real closure was hooks and eyes. And they were large round beads not "real" buttons. You might see what's in the beading section of your local craft shop. I also saw a designer when I was in collage unstring and use some fancy beads from some costume jewelry she got at a department store. Looked great! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 22:31:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O2V7RM005479 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:31:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O2V0Dj016505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:31:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGuoXS016975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:56:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGuibS060011; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NGuZYV059791 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c63so743447pyc for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L+2vsntoocwg7cmBpfo+7/Nbv9C1j0BDwSHMCr4+gHPPwuKh0IqJZhpR6lh5ZQerbtECdmt2Wp3adtStQR0A9D1Sa9HhFx+tFYwwv4Kxo0bMV1I3y4mr6gSKNJz+PvDc+IuhW1ibkXsdQwOtg23pbk4sZhkhclmvNfIlp7RW/qI= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr2519554pym; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:56:31 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver foil tape for Paillons? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:31:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449CA3E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On 6/23/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > In recreating materials found in 18th century embroidery, i thoaght i might > could use this for shaped spangels or Paillons as they were called. These > were cut from silver plates, and often vernished in different shining > collours. I would like to try it. Does any of you know this material? Is it > hard to cut out, can you use an ordinary scissors? I am in need of some cut > like a flower with 5 leaves. Bjarne, Paillettes, bezants, there's lots of names for those things. To make your own, I would use jewelers shears. Probably the handheld snips are enough for your soft thin silver sheets. They're like tin-snips, but small size for detail work. Short blades so you dont have to force the cut & miss your aim. http://www.contenti.com/products/shears.html http://www.contenti.com/products/shears/410-909.html Here's a picture. I've never purchased from this dealer. It's just the clearest image I cound quickly. Click the enlarge bttn to see the curved point snips that would be nice for your leaves. > Also how would you make the holes for sewing? > I am making silver embroidery, but i am not sattisfied with those flowers i > use as a substitute for Paillons, they are two dimentional, should be more > flat. > Greatly apreciate if any of you have tryed it! For piercing, I'd use a tiny center punch & small hammer. Place the silver sheet on a wood block, of course, so as not to destroy your dining room table. After you make the hole, I'd run the tiniest rat-tail file in the hole to smooth the edges. Otherwise the rough hole might cut your thread. Again, these are common jewelers tools. Small punch: http://www.contenti.com/products/punches-stamps/380-845.html This site calls rat-tail file a needle file instead: http://www.contenti.com/products/files/231-435-1_0.html All I ever want is pictures of your work... this latest project sounds delicious! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:44:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3iPch008261 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:44:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3iKXW013032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:44:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3hmUK015734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3hTbn092496; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony8.iinet.net.au (customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony8.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3hOZR092366 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:43:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@earthlydelights.com.au) Received: from 203-173-5-112.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO earthlydelights.com.au) ([203.173.5.112]) by customer-domains.icp-qv1-irony8.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2006 11:43:16 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,170,1149436800"; d="scan'208"; a="360420932:sNHT38326100" Message-ID: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:43:13 +1000 From: A & J Garden Organization: Earthly Delights User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:44:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449CB514.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over the linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen outside and is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being made. Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:52:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3q0IW008491 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:52:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3ptfQ000862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:51:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3pfdK016555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:51:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3pdYJ097971; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIicwc068145 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAA3167E for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com [130.29.153.221]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F1C1C278F for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:44:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:44:25 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:44:25 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:44:23 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964D993C5@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Thread-Index: AcaW1grlXf/d8OIRS+WNQkhgoBKg8AAHlh/w From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 18:44:25.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CBBB560:01C696F5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5NIicwc068145 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:51:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449CB6DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Are you talking about a modern spoon busk? I have heard they > aren't like the > actual spoon busks of the era. In fact most busks* were > curved down the > front (spoon or regular) before the straight busk came in in > the 1890s, > whereas now all busks are straight for recreations. Yes, it was a modern spoon busk, but it is curved both into the spoon shape to the sides and curved in so it cups my tummy. It appeared to me a very reasonable reproduction. I bought it ~8 years ago, though, so it may be different from what's currently on the market. > I have handled two modern made busks though, from different > companies and > one was very rigid, I would use that one in an 1890s or later > corset. The > other was rather flexible, and I would use that in an earlier > simply because > the flexibility is going to help get that front curve. Let's > face it, too > many modern recreations have a very flat front. I got around > it by using > metal strapping instead of a bought busk and was able to put > a bend at the > waist. It makes a huge difference and creates a really good > hourglass shape. > This was the 1880s corset from C&C. I've actually never had trouble getting the bend at the waist; but then I'm naturally hour-glass shaped, squish well, and like reasonably tight lacing :-) The only corset I have that doesn't have a waist curve in the busk after wearing it a few times is my regency corset, with it's thick wooden busk. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:52:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3qY3g008519 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:52:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3qT6C011986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:52:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3q5HN016651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3q4SD098279; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIlaUj070941 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:47:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9372690 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com [130.29.153.221]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE1C1470E0 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:47:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:47:29 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:47:29 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:47:28 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964D993CC@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions Thread-Index: AcaW1grlXf/d8OIRS+WNQkhgoBKg8AAH0NQw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2006 18:47:29.0539 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AA47530:01C696F5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5NIlaUj070941 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Re: 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:52:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449CB6FD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I've seen modern "spoon" busks that are flat in profile, is that what > you used? Or did you use a curved one like they sell at farthingales? > http://www.farthingales.on.ca/busks.php I've never tried using a spoon > busk myself but have been toying with the idea, so hearing about other > people's experiences is valuable. :) The Farthingales busk is exactly the one I used -- that's where I bought it from. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:53:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3r3rQ008531 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:53:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3qxsu001205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:53:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3qlQW016737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3qkqi098769; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NJCAeA094279 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=M6SaHdw4p+PLT2OgPV3owFvGySk+iCbGPYzwaJTmajNo4It2gua5hqHr/WUWIju2; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.26] (helo=mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ftr4c-0003wo-6W for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:12:10 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: <16222595.1151089930231.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:12:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bezants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ca670a9c87aded0db54e378faf801764b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.26 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:53:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449CB71B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne wrote: >Did you make that flower with 5 leaves on the bottom photograph of this >site: >http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html Yes, I did. >Is it possible to cut out the outer layer of the foil, so that you only get >the flower? Yes, with patience and a pair of sharp scissors. Of course, you will need to use a pair of scissors that you do not want to use for cutting cloth after you use them on the metal :) >Is there a chance i could buy such a stamp from you? >I think i could use that on the steel foil i baught today. >What i like is the shape, and the 5 flower leaves, matches very nice to the >shape i am after. I am not completely sure whether this stamp will work well on steel. It is made of metal, but it is designed for stamping leather, and will wear out more quickly if it is used on metal. I have had good results using it on brass, however. If your steel is as soft as my 36-gauge (0.13 mm) sheet brass, it should be fine. You can buy this stamp (and many others) from Tandy Leather at: http://www.tandyleather.com/products.asp?dept=410 I don't know whether they will ship things to people outside the USA, but I expect so. If you have problems ordering from them, let me know off-list and I'll arrange something. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:56:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3uRcO008595 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:56:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3uJan004813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3u28m017373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3u1H3001414; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O0oe60068552 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB15545D00D0; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:45:09 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:50:52 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c69728$3e6573c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <000501c696de$fefd5840$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:56:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449CB7E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What beautiful work! I am in awe. If the silver flowers are too 3-D for you, can you gently hammer them, from the back, to flatten them? Personally, I like them the way they are. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:07 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Hi. Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree flowers. I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they two much? The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:56:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3unMV008608 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:56:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3uikS005267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:56:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3uYGM017499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3uY9Z001813; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1EVQ2084395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FtwjI-0004hT-7K; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:14:32 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:14:32 -0400 Message-ID: <20060623211432.t6yvr1kf0gw8k80s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:14:32 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting lists@margospatterns.com: > Just goes to show how old I am...when I saw this title I was thinking a > groovy Afro and bellbottoms. Silly Margo, that was Linc! (no K ...) There was a man on campus that I saw one day (within the last 6 months) that had evidently been asleep for the last 25 years. He had one of the *biggest* Afro's that I have ever seen -- and his beard was "fro'd" too. This little bitty face in the midst of this *huge* 'fro! (Reminded me a lot of Big Hair -- you know, the little-bitty face, all that hair look? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 23 23:57:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3vUAE008626 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:57:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O3vPMm015855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:57:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3v83D017635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:57:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3v7vd002257; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1U4CE095421 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m100.in-tch.com [216.166.191.100]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5O1JgK05048 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:19:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005101c6972e$ca7fc9e0$64bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <364.6aeb57e.31cd8215@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Allegory of Colour Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:37:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:57:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449CB825.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hanky code? --Sue, obviously uniformed about finer sartorial points ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Allegory of Colour > > In a message dated 6/23/2006 1:14:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > osmanthus@comcast.net writes: > > and the > > full-fledged dandy had now the means of > > proclaiming to the world his amorous adventures by > > the scale of colours displayed in his dress." > > > > ********************** > > > It's the period "hanky code" !!!!! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 00:00:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O40uH7008756 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:00:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O40pcn014795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:00:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3xZ71018116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3xQlP005325; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O2dfXh043361 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Stellagrace75@aol.com) Received: from Stellagrace75@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2d3.94771e4 (32914) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:39:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Stellagrace75@aol.com Message-ID: <2d3.94771e4.31cdffe3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:39:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5026 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: bezants X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449CB8F3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/23/2006 8:56:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hi! Out of lurkdom to make a suggestion that might work for bezants - if you wanted actual silver for an extra special application - and i don't think it would be too cost prohibitive. I havnt tried making bezants but all this discussion makes me want to. I've been playing with precious metal clay for a few years - making a few pieces of jewelery. check out _http://www.pmcsupply.com/_ (http://www.pmcsupply.com/) or _http://www.artclayworld.com/_ (http://www.artclayworld.com/) it comes in a lot of different forms - one of which being sheet form that actually handles a lot like paper firing is not hard at all - it can be done with an inexpensive butane torch - it is clay impregnated with silver (or gold if you want to go totally nuts) the clay burns off when fired and leaves you with the silver anyway - what i was thinking - you might be able to use the paper punches that are in the scrapbooking sections of craft stores - they come in seemingly infinite shapes - i know you can also use rubber stamps, or you could just cut the paper clay with scissors just a suggestion Marian _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 00:37:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O4bXdO010136 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:37:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O4bT6Z018440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:37:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O4ZGEt022866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O4ZEMB033672; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O4ZBOD033639 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:35:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20l3.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.163] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FtzrS-0002Rh-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:35:10 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060623232106.034bedc8@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:33:46 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200606240053.k5O0r5wF070131@net.indra.com> References: <200606240053.k5O0r5wF070131@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: silver spangeled suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449CC189.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, I was just going to suggest the same thing - hammer them gently to flatten them. Also, you mentioned gluing the glass beads - don't! They will be popping out every time you bump into something. I would suggest using clear monofilament thread to sew the beads on - it's very strong and will almost disappear against the bead. In the U.S., it can be gotten at: or: http://tinyurl.com/qbhwr It's at: www.Nancysnotions.com and is called Wonder Thread. It's a bit hard to work with when hand sewing, but sometimes nothing else will work. I love your work - it's gorgeous!! Sandy At 07:53 PM 6/23/2006, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:50:52 -0700 >From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" >Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > >What beautiful work! I am in awe. If the silver flowers are too 3-D for you, >can you gently hammer them, from the back, to flatten them? Personally, I >like them the way they are. > >Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > >Hi. >Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even >flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree >flowers. I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to >se. I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you >think are they two much? >The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > >Bjarne "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 01:01:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O51jww010955 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O51eMJ022819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:01:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O519g7025649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:01:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O516Vo050603; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5O512bf050553 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 14689 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 05:07:24 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:07:24 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1072.67.174.246.110.1151125569.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449CC734.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over the > linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen outside and > is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being made. > Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen You can try a vinegar rinse in the wash machine (1 cup does the trick, I think). Vinegar will help set the dye. But try a small area first to make sure it doesn't do something funky to the color. Good luck! Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 03:28:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7SsTD009919 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:28:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O7SnhQ012558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7RpGX044386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7RkHP059115; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7RfMb059031 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24736.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.54]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DC568A0033 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002301c6975f$b0168130$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003f01c69709$ae68ee50$6601a8c0@PYC64> Subject: Re: [h-cost] bezants Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:28:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449CE9B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Betsy, Many thanks for your help. If this craftstore sends for Europe, i dont need your help. I will contact them and ask if they will ship for me in Denmark. I had no idea such things excisted. Thanks again Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] bezants > Try here- there are a couple of cincfoils (spelling?)...also some > quatrefoils. HTH Betsy > > http://www.tandyleather.com/products.asp?dept=410 > > I'd be happy to handle the purchase and shipping for you... > Tandy HQ used to be very near here till Leather factory bought them out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:42 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] bezants > > Hi Chris, > Did you make that flower with 5 leaves on the bottom photograph of this > site: > http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html > Is it possible to cut out the outer layer of the foil, so that you only > get > the flower? > Is there a chance i could buy such a stamp from you? > I think i could use that on the steel foil i baught today. > What i like is the shape, and the 5 flower leaves, matches very nice to > the > shape i am after. > The steel foil is the same "silver" colour as my spangels. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 03:42:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7gITM011236 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:42:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O7gDxI016815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1BKEM091493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O1BI27081872; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5O1BE8x081809 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 13376 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 18:11:15 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13281, pid: 13361, t: 4.8552s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 18:11:10 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060623175914.0229b1a0@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:10:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Doublet closure In-Reply-To: <20060624005249.90364.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060624005249.90364.qmail@web81413.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449CECD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 05:52 PM 6/23/2006, you wrote: >I need to pick your brains again. > >I am coming down the homestretch on the garb for my >son. (Good thing, dress rehearsal is 7/1!!!) The slops >and doublet are done except for tacking the lining in >the doublet and although I like the over all look, I >don't like the way the front closure looks. I had >planned to use hook/eye, but now I think the front >looks too bland. > >It is too late to sew loops into the front seam for >buttons and I have braid trim running along both >sides, so no place for lacing holes. > >If I had my son make some monkey fist knots out of >metalic gold cord and then did a froggy loop kind of >thing over the braid, would that be appropriate? > >Any other ideas or notions? > >Rebecca Burch >Center Valley Farm >Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA You can do what I did for my doublet gown, use buttons as decoration and use hooks and eyes to close it. I have buttons down each side of the center front and on the cuff. None of them are functional. I found some 3/8-inch ball buttons that have a molded woven pattern rather like a monkey fist knot. I used gold; they are also available in silver. Just found a card of gold ones: JHB International, style 1106; they were 3 per card for $2.00. The SKU on the back is 38562 93244. The back of the card says that they are washable and dry cleanable. I cleaned out my local Joann's and had to special order some when the gown was made; now, every time I'm in there I look and see if there are any and clean them out again :-D (I don't think they carry more than 4 or 5 cards of them at any one time). That way I will always have a supply. You can think of decorative buttons as little jewels to be sewn on. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 03:43:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7hU3K011342 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:43:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O7hPRw004750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:43:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7h368045826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7h2Mx070262; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:43:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7gwCp070209 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24736.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.54]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id EF945FAC035 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000a01c69761$d5f59060$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060623115419.5C9E430F@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:43:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:43:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449CED1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Lalah, Thanks for your words. Its nice to know if you dont think it will look two Hollywood like, with those flowers. This buisiness messing with costumes, surely gives many problems, i sometimes worries two much about small things. In the end, it will be ok i hope. If i were 30 years younger, perhaps i would try to look for other solutions, but i dont have that much time any more, to take from, being 51, and there are so many things i want to make yeat........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lalah" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > For what it's worth, my opinion is they flowers look terrific. But then, > all of your work is always terrific. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Cc: > Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:32 +0200 > > Hi. > Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even > flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree > flowers. > I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. > I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they > two much? > The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. Just the Net You Need. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 03:46:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7k4Aa011592 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:46:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O7jxDL022827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:46:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7iGw8045984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7iGO6071188; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:44:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7iCdj071134 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24736.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.54]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 83AC4FAC034 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c69762$038e89a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c696de$fefd5840$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <01cf01c696f8$7a40a2f0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:46:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449CEDB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Helen, Thanks for your words. At a small distance, it doesnt look bad, i think i will settle with this. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "HELEN PINTO" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > Wow. Just wow. I can't wait to see the pictures of the finished suit. >>From what I can see on my monitor, your flowers look like the tsar's. As > for too much, I don't think so- it actually seems kind of subtle and > refined. Just beautiful. > Thanks for sharing the pictures and go enjoy that weekend. > -Helen/Aidan > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 03:46:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7kamQ011638 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:46:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O7kU71006672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:46:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7k415046172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7k4Hc072476; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:46:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7jwvh072394 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24736.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.54]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BF872A50019 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:45:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c69762$42fd3f00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003e01c69728$3e6573c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:46:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:46:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449CEDD6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Sharon, You are such a darling. I never thoaght about that. I just did it -hammered a flower with the hammer, and it worked brilliantly. The flower got a little bigger, and spread out nicely. That was the best solution i could expect. Thanks a lot!!!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > What beautiful work! I am in awe. If the silver flowers are too 3-D for > you, > can you gently hammer them, from the back, to flatten them? Personally, I > like them the way they are. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > > > Hi. > Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even > flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree > flowers. > I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. I would like > your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they > two much? > The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 03:49:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7nEGr011867 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:49:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O7n9pb018933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:49:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7mnac046399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7mm5Z074276; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:48:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O7mjLL074239 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a24736.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.54]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A976FAC03D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:48:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c69762$a65a1af0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200606240053.k5O0r5wF070131@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060623232106.034bedc8@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: silver spangeled suit Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:48:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:49:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449CEE75.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Sandy, As Sharon suggested, i just did it, hammered the flower more flat. It spread out and got to the size i had dreamed about. Its even nicer this size i think. You guys are brilliant to work with!!!!! Many thanks Ill settle down with this solution, and also use the see trough thread you suggested. Jahoooooooooooo Many thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre & Sandy Pettinger" To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: silver spangeled suit > Bjarne, > > I was just going to suggest the same thing - hammer them gently to flatten > them. Also, you mentioned gluing the glass beads - don't! They will be > popping out every time you bump into something. I would suggest using > clear monofilament thread to sew the beads on - it's very strong and will > almost disappear against the bead. In the U.S., it can be gotten at: > > > or: > > http://tinyurl.com/qbhwr > > It's at: www.Nancysnotions.com and is called Wonder Thread. It's a bit > hard to work with when hand sewing, but sometimes nothing else will work. > > I love your work - it's gorgeous!! > > Sandy > At 07:53 PM 6/23/2006, you wrote: > >>Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:50:52 -0700 >>From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" >>Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit >> >>What beautiful work! I am in awe. If the silver flowers are too 3-D for >>you, >>can you gently hammer them, from the back, to flatten them? Personally, I >>like them the way they are. >> >>Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews >> >>Hi. >>Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even >>flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree >>flowers. I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. I >>would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they >>two much? >>The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm >> >>Bjarne > > "Those Who Fail To Learn History > Are Doomed to Repeat It; > Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- > Why They Are Simply Doomed. > > Achemdro'hm > "The Illusion of Historical Fact" > -- C.Y. 4971 > > Andromeda > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 04:27:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8RBpE019986 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:27:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O8R6HH017023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8QVlJ049969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:26:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8QSUl001635; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8QOan001577 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5E3123D00A2; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:20:51 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:26:34 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c69767$e7b17430$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <000b01c6972a$647a6000$f62e5142@dnyeaqvf> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO My son has the game and showed me a picture. He wears a simple hat, like a wizard hat without a brim. A white long sleeved shirt. White pants/leggings. A green tunic/doublet, very simple, collarless, but with a "collar" effect created by having the neckline of the doublet fall open in a "V". It also has short straight (not gathered) sleeves. He has brown boots, brown gloves, and a brown belt. To my mind, it looks very much like a "Robin Hood" kind of simple tunic/doublet. It should be easy to do without a pattern. Do you need a picture? I could send one. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of lists@margospatterns.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 6:06 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) Just goes to show how old I am...when I saw this title I was thinking a groovy Afro and bellbottoms. Margo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) > My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the > "Legends of Zelda" video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's > *fun* > > Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no > avail > -- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the > dang thing! > > Thanks, > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 04:30:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8Ueh9020681 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:30:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O8UaGK012516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:30:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3qRuk016698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3qQ80098526; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta18.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NIsYU0077544 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:54:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta18.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317B94134A for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:54:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060623115419.5C9E430F@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:54:19 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREnDjb7TERMAEAAAAB,ae2a872181966569542903ec8afbba3d X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.117.9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449CF82C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO For what it's worth, my opinion is they flowers look terrific. But then, all of your work is always terrific. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:32 +0200 Hi. Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree flowers. I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they two much? The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 04:30:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8SfSC020281 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:28:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O8SVSj011687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:28:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3r63R016851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:53:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O3r6hZ099030; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:53:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5NJCHdU094394 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 13:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.230.123]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J1B001DXUJ3A924@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:09:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 15:08:54 -0400 From: "HELEN PINTO" Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <01cf01c696f8$7a40a2f0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000501c696de$fefd5840$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:28:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449CF7AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wow. Just wow. I can't wait to see the pictures of the finished suit. >From what I can see on my monitor, your flowers look like the tsar's. As for too much, I don't think so- it actually seems kind of subtle and refined. Just beautiful. Thanks for sharing the pictures and go enjoy that weekend. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 04:38:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8chPh022452 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:38:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O8cdQD015242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:38:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8cBFv051406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:38:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8c9l6010324; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:38:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O8c6Ax010297 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8A330070274; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:32:35 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c69769$8b4c9510$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <001401c69762$42fd3f00$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I look forward to seeing it all finished. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:46 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Hi Sharon, You are such a darling. I never thoaght about that. I just did it -hammered a flower with the hammer, and it worked brilliantly. The flower got a little bigger, and spread out nicely. That was the best solution i could expect. Thanks a lot!!!!!! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:50 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > What beautiful work! I am in awe. If the silver flowers are too 3-D > for > you, > can you gently hammer them, from the back, to flatten them? Personally, I > like them the way they are. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:07 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > > > Hi. > Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even > flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree > flowers. I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. > I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are > they two much? > The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 05:02:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O92HFp026929 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:02:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5O92CqJ024244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O91X39053960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5O91VWV026901; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5O91RBL026800 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53588 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2006 09:01:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qJh3Mr08498ZHObor+DEG+nuA7wLKASDMfVLk8XMoUGACMDeUB1W9x2IjP7kh9ZgX8TWuhUK+NmvR4mM0FCMKx1ruzAaTGiDFUqlvv3Qzu4CgOD2MUXk7h8k9sog9Pl73/h5iFfS52dyNDKazzLt+fqlq+MFnqg4nMzpt8l8G0E= ; Message-ID: <20060624090122.53586.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.142.110.98] by web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:01:21 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000401c69767$e7b17430$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Leather punch for Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:02:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449CFF94.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne, try and take a look at the leather store in Copenhagen, Læderhuset, it is in "Skindergade" You can also check it out on http://www.skindhuset.dk/ Tania --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Mallinak" Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. 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Status: RO art-n-janet wrote: > From: "art-n-janet" > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:17:44 -0400 > Subject: [30YWTavern] > I have been asked for a head count for this weekend's event > at the Colonial Plantation, as the site is providing lunch both days. > If anyone is attending and hasn't let us know, please do so ASAP so I can > give an accurate number of attendees to the site administrator. There is an event this weekend? The last 30YWTavern message is dated June 09 Details, details?? Your humble and obediant servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 07:10:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OBANhg025506 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:10:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OBAIX6030815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OB9MXV069670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:09:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OB9Isw023994; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net (smtp4.suscom.net [64.78.119.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OB9ADc023805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy1@suscom.net) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDE5150062 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.suscom.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.suscom.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14412-01-12 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Stuckis (ip21.77.78.64.suscom.net [64.78.77.21]) by smtp4.suscom.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A892A150060 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01eb01c6977e$956426c0$154d4e40@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> <000b01c6972a$647a6000$f62e5142@dnyeaqvf> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:08:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:10:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449D1D9A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) > Just goes to show how old I am...when I saw this title I was thinking a > groovy Afro and bellbottoms. > > Margo hee hee...Mod Squad!! It would be fun to put together a Mod Squad costume. Hmmm... off to look for pictures! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 10:51:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.144]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OEpWAo006182 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:51:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OEpRvC014678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:51:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OEoxj4002309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OEofIN081831; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:50:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OEoZ7w081747 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f554a.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.74]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 85494FAC047 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:50:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000901c6979d$8cbc05f0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060624090122.53586.qmail@web31909.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Leather punch for Bjarne Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:50:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449D516F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Tanya, Thanks for this. I will try to go and look in their store. They only have letters and numbers on the website. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania Gruning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: [h-cost] Leather punch for Bjarne > > Bjarne, try and take a look at the leather store in Copenhagen, > Læderhuset, it is in "Skindergade" You can also check it out on > http://www.skindhuset.dk/ > Tania > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Status: RO A friend sent me this link: http://www.thevideobeat.com/link_clothing.htm And check out the links list at the bottom... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 11:17:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFHI6H007906 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:17:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OFHDQZ006979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFGtg9005588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFGrYc099551; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:16:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFGmg7099469 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7E6407C6 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:16:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060624081646.CB4D4DF4@resin05.mta.everyone.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:16:46 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREnVde6usT2wEAAAAB,f4d6aa9d2319ee5d1783708e9180210c X-Originating-Ip: [152.163.100.70] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:17:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449D5779.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK, kiddo - I am twenty years older than you and still keep coming up with new projects. Don't think you are old at 51. For goodness sake you are in the prime of your life. As for your worry about your stuff, it is probably why it is so fantastic when it is finished. You are a perfectionist and it shows in every thing you make. However, worry is not good for you, so try to ease up a bit. Any time you have doubts just show what you are working on to this list. We are your fan club. Keep on making those beautiful suits! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:43:05 +0200 Hi Lalah, Thanks for your words. Its nice to know if you dont think it will look two Hollywood like, with those flowers. This buisiness messing with costumes, surely gives many problems, i sometimes worries two much about small things. In the end, it will be ok i hope. If i were 30 years younger, perhaps i would try to look for other solutions, but i dont have that much time any more, to take from, being 51, and there are so many things i want to make yeat........ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lalah" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > For what it's worth, my opinion is they flowers look terrific. But then, > all of your work is always terrific. > > Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender > > --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Cc: > Subject: [h-cost] silver spangeled suit > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:06:32 +0200 > > Hi. > Seems to me i can already say, its impossible for me to make nice even > flower spangels. I give up! I must be satisfied with the filligree > flowers. > I uploaded pictures of this projekt, if you would like to se. > I would like your oppinion about these flowers, what do you think are they > two much? > The flowers on the tsars suit, are much more simple. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Netscape. 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 11:38:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.142]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFcgl2010130 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:38:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OFcbJM008041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:38:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFboE7008714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFbSrT016572; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFb3TT016004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FuABq-0005zj-9g; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:36:54 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: <20060624113654.0hfyc2xq80c0ssgg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:36:54 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) References: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> <010901c6972d$d4b08ae0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> In-Reply-To: <010901c6972d$d4b08ae0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:38:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 449D5C7D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting HELEN PINTO : > Susan wrote: >> My son wants the green tunic that the character Link wears in the >> "Legends of Zelda" video games. He knows it's not authentic, but it's >> *fun* >> Has anybody seen anything about it on the net? I've googled to no avail >> -- I'm having minimal luck even trying to find a good picture of the >> dang thing! > > > Try an image search at altavista ( www.altavista.com ). Click on > "Image" in the tool bar, then search on "link +zelda", and you will > get over 10 pages of images, some full-length, and some even of > people in costume as Link. > Good luck, That'll teach me! And I know how fast things on the web change! Last time I looked (which I didn't think was *that* long ago), it was just the "child" link. It's the "adult" link tunic that he wants. Lots of good images. thanks, Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 12:58:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.179]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OGwcZM018938 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:58:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OGwXLo002438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:58:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OGvhe6021245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:57:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OGvdGh076714; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OGvZpJ076520 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C6AA6DD3 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:57:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <449D6F04.8050204@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:57:40 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running References: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> In-Reply-To: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449D6F39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO A & J Garden wrote: > I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over the > linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen outside and > is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being made. > Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen Wash it in Retayne according to directions. That will stop it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 14:11:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OIBa8O021638 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:11:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OIBVBU024808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:11:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OIAsGB032172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OIAkTC030642; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:10:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OFku5Z023770 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.551.1acce2 (45782) for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM025-b2d6449d5e6648; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:46:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01eb01c6977e$956426c0$154d4e40@Stuckis> References: <20060623203738.lldcrfvge84k8wgg@www.goldsword.com> <000b01c6972a$647a6000$f62e5142@dnyeaqvf> <01eb01c6977e$956426c0$154d4e40@Stuckis> Message-Id: <6fd5c220ded2a86d8e31ce8cb851d040@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:46:45 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449D8053.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5OIBa8O021638 Status: RO Have you seen? The man who played Linc on The Mod Squad is now appearing on a current TV show. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 24, 2006, at 7:08 AM, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Link" costume (sorta historical-ish) > > >> Just goes to show how old I am...when I saw this title I was thinking >> a >> groovy Afro and bellbottoms. >> Margo > > hee hee...Mod Squad!! > > It would be fun to put together a Mod Squad costume. Hmmm... > > off to look for pictures! > > > Dianne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 15:17:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.143]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OJH5de028595 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:17:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5OJH0Kn008749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:17:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OJGENP040659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OJFoR8075279; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5OJFjx2075147 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.50.48] (helo=[10.0.1.4]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Fu8h4-0006X2-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:01:02 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8206ec255dfebe1c4f4c61d2697bc725@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:03:17 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:17:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449D8FAC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Aylwen, Have you tried "Runaway?" I believe Woolworth's and Coles sells it, and possibly also Kmart. It worked when we had a red-running problem on the huge baronial banner for Politarchopolis, which I believe you may have seen once or twice. Beth On 24/06/2006, at 1:43 PM, A & J Garden wrote: > I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over > the linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen > outside and is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being > made. > Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 24 23:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P3HhUu026804 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:17:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5P3HbnX021836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:17:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P3H1mu000383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P3GeNB067825; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P3Gafu067781 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F2033C2FB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:16:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robin ? sideless surcoats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:17:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 449E0051.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone told me that sideless surcoats were only worn by royalty, yet I found a picture for a French manuscript by Guilaume de Machault that shows a lady in waiting in what appears to be a "brocade" sidless. So is the Royal only w/sideless a myth or....???? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 01:08:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P58Tpr030019 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:08:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5P58OFb013615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:08:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P585TG015121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P582Id042583; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P57xAH042528 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18510 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:45:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:45:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin ? sideless surcoats In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:08:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449E1A48.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, otsisto wrote: > Someone told me that sideless surcoats were only worn by royalty, yet > I found a picture for a French manuscript by Guilaume de Machault that > shows a lady in waiting in what appears to be a "brocade" sidless. So > is the Royal only w/sideless a myth or....???? What you heard was an oversimplification -- true in part, but not the entire story. It sounds like you were hearing from someone who had attended one of my lectures, or maybe heard from someone who did, since the usual assumption is that surcoats were worn by lots and lots of women of many classes for most of two centuries -- and that is the myth. >From what I can tell from my research, there was a progression both in the styles of surcotes and the people who wore them. Put very briefly, the surcote with scooped-in sides (note this is distinct from surcotes with side slits, which are earlier and another issue entirely) moves from being depicted on noblewomen and higher (roughly 1340-1380) to being depicted primarily, and eventually only, on royal women and members of the royal family (by around 1400). During this shift the style acquires more and more fur, as the fur lining creeps out to become an edging, and then a full front fur piece, and also a fur hem band that becomes wider over time. The fur is invariably white; in the earlier versions this is most likely meant to signify pured miniver (an expensive fur popular in the mid-14th c. among the higher nobility), and later, more likely ermine -- a fur almost exclusively restricted to royalty. As the 15th century continues, depictions of the surcote on royal women narrow in circumstance, eventually appearing virtually always in ceremonial circumstances (weddings, coronations) or highly symbolic contexts. At the same time, artists use it more and more as a symbol for royalty and, over time, for "old" royalty, particularly royal saints, as well as for certain allegorical figures that have "queenly" or "saintly" qualities and associations. By around 1475, it no longer appears on real, living queens, but continues to be used in artwork for some time, and in more unusual shapes and designs. The lines of the cut-in sides also get adopted and combined into artistic renditions of gowns on allegorical, historical, and fantasy figures in certain contexts. Those later, often fantastical versions of the surcote style almost certainly never existed in life. There are some exceptions to this timeline, which I go into in my lecture on this topic. Funerary sculpture (including brasses) fits into a category of symbolic usage -- this requires a long explanation that I cannot go into now. There's a brief appearance, in Franco-Flemish art at least, of surcotes on brides around 1450, but it is uncertain whether this occurred in real life. Now, back to the image you asked about. The Machaut manuscripts include several women in surcotes. They are all on the early end of this timeline, around 1350, and are among the evidence for the surcote being worn by French noblewomen in this period. I use several of them in my lecture, in fact. I would guess you are talking about the one in Le Remede de Fortune (Paris, Bib. Nat. MS Fr. 1586), fol. 55 -- the banquet scene. Note, though, that this is the earlier version of the surcote; it has a fur edging at the opening, but it has not yet acquired the front "placket" or "plastron" of fur and the jeweled decorations down the center front that characterize the later style that appears to have been worn only by royal women. Does this help? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 01:34:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P5YGVL030888 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:34:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5P5YBcW021011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:34:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P5XJnm018257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P5X1Tn058782; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5P5Wv6k058733 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 23:32:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 20036 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 22:32:57 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 20021, pid: 20023, t: 4.4120s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 22:32:52 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060624223150.02202d20@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 22:32:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running In-Reply-To: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:34:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449E2053.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 08:43 PM 6/23/2006, you wrote: >I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over >the linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen >outside and is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being made. >Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen >_______________________________________________ Try washing it with Synthrapol; it's a detergent designed to remove unbound dye from fabric. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 05:55:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P9ttQ6018955 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:55:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5P9tosP022393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:55:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P9tBdI051642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:55:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P9t5Tx043006; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5P9t2e0042963 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6ACF536A39 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:55:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Robin ? sideless surcoats Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 04:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:55:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449E5DA6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Status: RO Thanks for all the hints - I might try this one first. Any type of vinegar? I've got both white and apple cider. Cheers, Aylwen Diana Habra wrote: >>I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over the >>linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen outside and >>is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being made. >>Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen >> >> > >You can try a vinegar rinse in the wash machine (1 cup does the trick, I >think). Vinegar will help set the dye. But try a small area first to >make sure it doesn't do something funky to the color. > >Good luck! > >Diana > >www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >"Everything for the Costumer" > >"Become the change you want to see in the world." >--Ghandi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 09:57:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PDvSrW026474 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:57:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5PDvMVT026021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:57:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PDs6MT080898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PDs2oi016460; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.inreach.com (smtp.inreach.com [209.142.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5PDrxr7016421 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 29598 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 14:00:32 -0000 Received: from [209.142.2.163] (HELO webmail.inreach.com) (209.142.2.163) by smtp.inreach.com (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:00:32 -0700 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by webmail.inreach.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1041.67.174.246.110.1151243943.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> In-Reply-To: <449E62A3.3090605@earthlydelights.com.au> References: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> <1072.67.174.246.110.1151125569.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> <449E62A3.3090605@earthlydelights.com.au> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:57:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 449E9642.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Thanks for all the hints - I might try this one first. Any type of > vinegar? I've got both white and apple cider. > Cheers, Aylwen > Usually one would use white vinegar. But I suppose cider vinegar would work in a pinch.... Diana > Diana Habra wrote: > >>>I need to fix a red cloak that keeps rubbing off its colour all over the >>>linen shirt. It has red velveteen inside and black velveteen outside and >>>is finished, ready to wear. It was pre-washed before being made. >>>Any help would be appreciated, Aylwen >>> >>> >> >>You can try a vinegar rinse in the wash machine (1 cup does the trick, I >>think). Vinegar will help set the dye. But try a small area first to >>make sure it doesn't do something funky to the color. >> >>Good luck! >> >>Diana >> >>www.RenaissanceFabrics.net >>"Everything for the Costumer" >> >>"Become the change you want to see in the world." >>--Ghandi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 11:01:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PF19E5028303 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:01:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5PF14Qg032664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PF0WEl091399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:00:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PF0B5J064432; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PF00gV064234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FuW5b-0006Nn-Th; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:59:55 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <20060625105955.sjufua0jy8g080o8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:59:55 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : > > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, otsisto wrote: > >> Someone told me that sideless surcoats were only worn by royalty, yet >> I found a picture for a French manuscript by Guilaume de Machault that >> shows a lady in waiting in what appears to be a "brocade" sidless. So >> is the Royal only w/sideless a myth or....???? > much good stuff snipped > > Now, back to the image you asked about. The Machaut manuscripts include > several women in surcotes. They are all on the early end of this timeline, > around 1350, and are among the evidence for the surcote being worn by > French noblewomen in this period. I use several of them in my lecture, in > fact. I would guess you are talking about the one in Le Remede de Fortune > (Paris, Bib. Nat. MS Fr. 1586), fol. 55 -- the banquet scene. Note, > though, that this is the earlier version of the surcote; it has a fur > edging at the opening, but it has not yet acquired the front "placket" or > "plastron" of fur and the jeweled decorations down the center front that > characterize the later style that appears to have been worn only by royal > women. Is there a digital copy of this image anywhere? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 11:27:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFQxRG029366 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:26:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5PFQsaW013528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFQaHo094483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFQZOo082759; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFQWKJ082717 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21142 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:03:34 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:03:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin ? sideless surcoats In-Reply-To: <20060625105955.sjufua0jy8g080o8@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:26:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449EAB3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > Now, back to the image you asked about. The Machaut manuscripts include > > several women in surcotes. They are all on the early end of this timeline, > > around 1350, and are among the evidence for the surcote being worn by > > French noblewomen in this period. I use several of them in my lecture, in > > fact. I would guess you are talking about the one in Le Remede de Fortune > > (Paris, Bib. Nat. MS Fr. 1586), fol. 55 -- the banquet scene. Note, > > though, that this is the earlier version of the surcote; it has a fur > > edging at the opening, but it has not yet acquired the front "placket" or > > "plastron" of fur and the jeweled decorations down the center front that > > characterize the later style that appears to have been worn only by royal > > women. > > Is there a digital copy of this image anywhere? Hmm. I think there's one on the CD of the facsimile of Machaut's manuscript, sold as a music reference -- an early music friend of mine says that the CD includes the illuminations as well as the pages with musical notation. I haven't seen this particular image on the 'net, though others from the same manuscript are online. You may need to go for the hardcopy. You can find this image and several others from the same manuscript in Francois Avril's "Manuscript Painting at the court of France, plates 23-25. (Susan, plate 24 is the one we used for the cover image of MC&T vol. 1.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 25 11:46:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFkhFr029926 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:46:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5PFkc68024971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:46:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFkJNv096981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFkEgZ096227; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5PFkBEC096139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:46:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FuWoK-0007Fw-2R; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:46:08 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20060625114608.u56f78jyc00wc0kc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:46:08 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Robin Netherton : >> >> Is there a digital copy of this image anywhere? > > Hmm. I think there's one on the CD of the facsimile of Machaut's > manuscript, sold as a music reference -- an early music friend of mine > says that the CD includes the illuminations as well as the pages with > musical notation. > > I haven't seen this particular image on the 'net, though others from the > same manuscript are online. > > You may need to go for the hardcopy. You can find this image and several > others from the same manuscript in Francois Avril's "Manuscript Painting > at the court of France, plates 23-25. (Susan, plate 24 is the one we used > for the cover image of MC&T vol. 1.) Thanks! 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Status: RO Happy to be of service! Betsy I really admire your skill and persistence in your art. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] bezants Hi Betsy, Many thanks for your help. If this craftstore sends for Europe, i dont need your help. I will contact them and ask if they will ship for me in Denmark. I had no idea such things excisted. Thanks again Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] bezants > Try here- there are a couple of cincfoils (spelling?)...also some > quatrefoils. HTH Betsy > > http://www.tandyleather.com/products.asp?dept=410 > > I'd be happy to handle the purchase and shipping for you... > Tandy HQ used to be very near here till Leather factory bought them out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:42 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] bezants > > Hi Chris, > Did you make that flower with 5 leaves on the bottom photograph of this > site: > http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html > Is it possible to cut out the outer layer of the foil, so that you only > get > the flower? > Is there a chance i could buy such a stamp from you? > I think i could use that on the steel foil i baught today. > What i like is the shape, and the 5 flower leaves, matches very nice to > the > shape i am after. > The steel foil is the same "silver" colour as my spangels. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 26 11:03:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QF35dc023885 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:03:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5QF30vw013480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:03:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QF2Ho0083567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QF24U7007761; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QF1wZR007620 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4C8215014E; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <449FF6CA.6050405@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:01:30 -0400 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions References: <4471CDA2.4030105@genevahistoricalsociety.com> <018801c695c3$cb645770$0edbf5dc@user4712b7d135> <01dc01c695cc$dfacd230$0edbf5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <01dc01c695cc$dfacd230$0edbf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:03:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 449FF724.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Elizabeth, thanks for the additional info and yes it is that pattern. Not too long after posting my request, I found reference to most busks curving in like this in the 1840s--I think it was in Severa's Dressed for the Photographer. Certainly the photos in that book support the idea of American women using this type of busk in the 1840s. I have decided to go with a wooden busk for several reasons. Although the split busk may have been invented, that doesn't mean it was used universally, especially in western New York. What I am thinking of doing is using a wooden busk that ends where the curve begins. I am also thinking that the curving busk (supposing I could find one) will present some mobility problems in the program that I run while in costume--lots of bending and stooping over a fire. I think it may be a process of trial and error to see what works while maintaining an appropriate silhouette. -- Anne Dealy Director of Education and Public Information Geneva Historical Society Geneva, NY adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 26 11:14:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QFESbp024352 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:14:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5QFEMSI012261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:14:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QFDt6E086001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QFD7Np018949; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:13:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from galaxy.systems.pipex.net (galaxy.systems.pipex.net [62.241.162.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QFCkas018481 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by galaxy.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA359E000430 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:12:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <449FF95A.2020901@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:12:26 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Allegory of Colour References: <003a01c69568$bdb9b6c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <449AD970.8060206@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <449AD970.8060206@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 449FF9CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you very much indeed to all who replied to my question about the allegory of colour. In addition, my very special thanks to Amy Greenfield and Robin Netherton for your detailed responses. They have been very helpful to me, not least in providing examples of how to approach such a problem. I have copied your messages into a document so that I can refer back to them again, and I will certainly be following up the references you kindly provided too. Yours sincerely, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 26 12:03:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QG3Ol9027734 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:03:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5QG3Jac019134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:03:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QG2fAH094292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QG2PHV061893; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QG2J9m061617 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.547.8fa3d1 (39331) for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:02:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <547.8fa3d1.31d15efb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:02:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:03:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A00547.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/26/2006 11:06:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com writes: What I am thinking of doing is using a wooden busk that ends where the curve begins. *********************** Remember wood is very pliable and reacts as such to heat and moisture. Even a straight wooden busk would curve after a while of body heat and humidity. But I understand your reservations about movement. Would someone at the hearth wear such a corset? Anyway, You might want to consider putting some 1/4" flexible steel boning each side of the wood that does go to the bottom of the corset. Or some plastic. Something that gives a bit but will keep things smooth to the bottom. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 26 18:27:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QMRdRK012091 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:27:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5QMRX1c005244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:27:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QMQO7w054146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QMQChe081134; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5QMQ4YE080946 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5F58E001C; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:39:17 -0400 Message-ID: <44A04801.6020503@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:48:01 -0400 From: Anne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset Again-Busk Questions References: <547.8fa3d1.31d15efb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <547.8fa3d1.31d15efb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:27:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A05F55.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > But I understand your reservations about movement. Would someone at the hearth > wear such a corset? Ha! This goes to many of the problems with this program. As the program is now, I am the lady of the house, who no doubt would not be found in the kitchen, except to be ordering someone else around! This is what happens when you work at a small museum with a lack of staff to fully portray the appropriate people in your immensely popular, "been going for 20 years" school program. Try making changes that might detract from attendance and you could be in for serious problems. Despite some glaring historical errors, I am trying to improve the historical accuracy when and where I can, which is what got me started sewing my own costumes (or trying to!) during the last two years. I will think about trying to add the boning as you suggest and see what that does. Thanks for the idea. Anne -- Anne Dealy adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 26 21:13:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R1DJkh019128 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:13:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5R1DEL2013692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:13:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R1CgHJ083742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:12:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R1CaKJ083418; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from hotmail.com (bay108-f2.bay108.hotmail.com [65.54.162.12]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R1CXQI083367 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:12:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:12:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.162.200 by by108fd.bay108.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 01:12:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.32.181.164] X-Originating-Email: [elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200606261801.k5QI1AXe070540@net.indra.com> From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:12:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2006 01:12:29.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2B929E0:01C69986] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1844 Corset X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:13:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A0862A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd suggest, for a working program, to use a corded corset, instead of one stabilized with busk/boning. You'll get a working class silhouette, but you'll also get the greater mobility you need for work (bending and stooping and lifting). Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 26 23:01:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R31qqh023581 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:01:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5R31lrb017627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:01:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R30uaI099777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5R30X4x061170; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5R1atDm098057 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 29663 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 18:36:52 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29615, pid: 29634, t: 4.5186s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 18:36:47 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060626182215.0229c528@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:36:41 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1844 Corset In-Reply-To: References: <200606261801.k5QI1AXe070540@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:01:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A09F9B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 06:12 PM 6/26/2006, you wrote: >I'd suggest, for a working program, to use a corded corset, instead >of one stabilized with busk/boning. You'll get a working class >silhouette, but you'll also get the greater mobility you need for >work (bending and stooping and lifting). > >Regards, >Elizabeth >http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com I can talk about cooking and other work in a mid-1800s corset. As a docent at Sutter's Fort, where it is always 1846-7, I always wear a fully-boned corset when dressed for the period. When I am cooking on the open hearth (either in the kitchen or outdoors), I try to bend at the hips rather than at the waist when I need to add to a pot, or stir the stew. My corset laces up the back, for adjustability, and opens at the front (so I can dress myself). I have also washed wool with hot water and homemade soap, spun wool on the walking wheels, woven blankets and rugs on our big two-harness looms, and managed the firing of the bake oven. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 27 09:46:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RDjvpm023992 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:46:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5RDjqso012981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RDj6km091844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RDirwZ039956; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RDijNL039829 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:44:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.166.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.166] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FvDrw-0003OT-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: <44A14403.9000106@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:43:15 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question for the list (black silk dye) References: <1249.67.174.246.110.1150819981.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><003a01c694c6$278486f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc><1066.67.174.246.110.1150852974.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com><01ab01c69500$f70079e0$c600a8c0@compaqub> <01e701c69555$ca910be0$c600a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:45:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A13690.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Apologies for the delay of this reply. My email has been down for several days. E House wrote: > I'd love to know what brand then, because I haven't found it sold by any > of my sources--most of which tell you straight out that their dye won't > work on silk. I've gotten some very lovely dark plums using black > washfast acid dye on silk. I used Jacquard's acid silk dye. I can't get the Jacquard site to talk to me right now or I would give you a link. I do not know whether it would be successful with a washing machine/stove top setup. It could be that that is the problem you've had in the past--not enough temperature control? Not high enough temperature? I'm not a dye expert, so I probably shouldn't try to diagnose. The difficult part, as you say, is steam setting. It's not that it's hard to set up a steam-setting chimney (pot of boiling water, tube of some kind suspended over it), but doing large yardage is nearly impossible. The black I've dyed was a relatively small amount for a blouse. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 27 14:53:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RIroQe009964 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:53:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5RIrhUm022851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:53:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RIkKgZ052284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RIipvP011031; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RIiXXu010609 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=eFbCLEV+A24vk2KI9MoCGLtbgDQ7ssnOxZmZckYxQMYVmqptIKtdRGeNWMs1RdG6; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.99.140] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FvIXy-0000Nb-M8 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:44:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8206ec255dfebe1c4f4c61d2697bc725@grapevine.net.au> References: <449CB4D1.9070508@earthlydelights.com.au> <8206ec255dfebe1c4f4c61d2697bc725@grapevine.net.au> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:19:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] help - velveteen colour running Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c5d1e8ed7dfd9db866d62b8f11bf409fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.99.140 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:53:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A17EB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:03 AM +1000 6/25/06, Beth Schoenberg wrote: >Have you tried "Runaway?" I believe Woolworth's and Coles sells it, >and possibly also Kmart. It worked when we had a red-running >problem on the huge baronial banner for Politarchopolis, which I >believe you may have seen once or twice. "Runaway" is the same chemical as "Retayne", except that it's packaged in one-laundry-load doses at a much inflated price :( If you think you'll ever have trouble with colors running again, it's worth it to buy a bottle of Retayne. Dharma Trading carries it if you're in the USA -- Googling on the brand name should get you whatever local sources you need. Stores that sell cloth dyes ought to carry it. "Synthropol" is also an excellent investment. I've seen it in art supply stores and (of course) Dharma Trading. My recommendation is to wash your item with Retayne first to fix as much of the dye as possible. Vinegar is often mentioned as a dye fixer, but actually it works a lot better in the initial dyeing process than later, and often doesn't do much for an already-dyed object. After that, then wash it in Synthropol to remove any dye that isn't firmly fastened onto the fabric. "Crocking" or the rubbing off of dye onto whatever it's touching is unfortunately a problem with a lot of heavily dyed items. Reds and blacks (wouldn't you know!) tend to be among the worst dyes for staying put where you want them. Hope this helps -- -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 27 15:12:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RJCEh9010884 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:12:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5RJC8bm004265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RJBmu3056346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RJBlQf032823; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pqueueb.post.tele.dk (pqueueb.post.tele.dk [193.162.153.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RJBgoY032730 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:11:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by pqueueb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B9E3DE7E3 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55a6.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.166]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id C9B8AA500CA for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:21:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c69a16$8fbf6140$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:21:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] video clip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:12:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A18308.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, A member on another list i am on, posted this link: It is a fantastic and interresting movie clip about womens lives in 18th century, with lots of gorgeous costumes. Its Marissa Berenson (Lady Lyndon) who tells the story........... I just wanted to share, its so lovely!!!! http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?rurl=gse.uml.edu&oid=3614db68bb6c1cc7& Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 27 18:18:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RMI0C2019601 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:18:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5RMHsZv016139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:17:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RMGrL8084896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RMGiKM005475; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5RMGeCT005410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.116] (209-148-118-116.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.116]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5RMGb52006678 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:16:38 -0700 Message-ID: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:16:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:17:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A1AE93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK, so I'm almost finished dyeing stuff, but, I've dyed a bunch of cotton shirts in some colors that are a bit too bright for my taste. They are all oranges, yellows, peaches, or pinks. The ones that were totally blecherous, I've already redyed in different, much darker colors. These are ones that almost work from my point of view; but I'd like to tone them down a little, to more earthy shades of the same thing, rather than making them a completely different color. I've just read a very interesting book on historic costuming for film. It contains almost no information on how to design or make clothing, but a great deal on how to organize the process of obtaining enormous quantities of garments, keeping track of them, and interacting with the many other people involved in film making. The author does mention that pure white often looks too bright on camera, and so he overdyes with a weak solution of Rit tan to make it a shade that "looks" white, or just off-white, when filmed. There is a hint that he may use this process to "soften" other colors, but I'm not sure that can be done without making the color look "dirty," an effect he sometimes consciously strives for to "age" clothing. He doesn't go into details on the process. And an aged or dirty look is not what I'm striving for. Just less bright. So, does anyone know if a weak overdye of tan will soften a strong yellow, orange, peach, or pink without making it look dirty, or turning it into a very different color? And, is there a Procion dye they can recommend for this, since Rit is not very fast? If so, what strength should be used? (I'm not thrilled about the idea of using tea because of the tannin, and I suspect tea [and coffee] is not all that fast either.) I already have some Procion MX ecru from Dharma Trading, which when used in the strength directed produces a pleasant light beige on a pure white shirt. Will that do? If so should be it be made a little weaker? If not, is there another color I should buy? Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 01:14:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S5EVmf007672 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:14:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5S5EQqr012423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:14:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S5DOjK044357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S5D0A5025909; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S5Cfte025625 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m108.in-tch.com [216.166.191.108]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k5S52DK21055 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:02:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003001c69a72$8e00bc80$6cbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:20:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:14:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A21032.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You might try looking in books, etc. that deal with patchwork quilts. There was quite the fad there for a while to use fabrics that looked aged, tea-dyed, etc. I know you said you didn't want to use tea as an overdye, but some of those books might offer suggestions. You might also be able to ask some people (like Dharma Trading?) directly, through their websites. Oh, oops....looks like you've hit them up already. .... I've never done anything like that (either with clothing or cloth for quilts--brownish colors being generally not to my taste), so I don't know if my ideas are actually viable, but who knows? They might be.... --Sue, waiting for it to drop at least into the mid-80s in her apartment, so she can go to sleep.....although a sleeping bag on the front porch is starting to sound *real* good.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 4:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan > OK, so I'm almost finished dyeing stuff, but, I've dyed a bunch of > cotton shirts in some colors that are a bit too bright for my taste. > They are all oranges, yellows, peaches, or pinks. The ones that were > totally blecherous, I've already redyed in different, much darker > colors. These are ones that almost work from my point of view; but I'd > like to tone them down a little, to more earthy shades of the same > thing, rather than making them a completely different color. > > I've just read a very interesting book on historic costuming for film. > It contains almost no information on how to design or make clothing, but > a great deal on how to organize the process of obtaining enormous > quantities of garments, keeping track of them, and interacting with the > many other people involved in film making. The author does mention that > pure white often looks too bright on camera, and so he overdyes with a > weak solution of Rit tan to make it a shade that "looks" white, or just > off-white, when filmed. There is a hint that he may use this process to > "soften" other colors, but I'm not sure that can be done without making > the color look "dirty," an effect he sometimes consciously strives for > to "age" clothing. He doesn't go into details on the process. And an > aged or dirty look is not what I'm striving for. Just less bright. > > So, does anyone know if a weak overdye of tan will soften a strong > yellow, orange, peach, or pink without making it look dirty, or turning > it into a very different color? And, is there a Procion dye they can > recommend for this, since Rit is not very fast? If so, what strength > should be used? > > (I'm not thrilled about the idea of using tea because of the tannin, and > I suspect tea [and coffee] is not all that fast either.) > > I already have some Procion MX ecru from Dharma Trading, which when used > in the strength directed produces a pleasant light beige on a pure white > shirt. Will that do? If so should be it be made a little weaker? If > not, is there another color I should buy? > > Thanks for any info. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 04:40:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S8eFAA023139 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:40:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5S8eAhZ015433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:40:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S8dTDm075238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S8d8Rr091859; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5S8d1Rq091726 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k5S8cqV28478.; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:38:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:38:49 +0100 Message-Id: <44A24D9702000014000BA18D@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:36:23 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5S8d1Rq091726 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Dangerous liaisons" 2004 exhibition X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 04:40:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A2406A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Looking in the archives, I see this exhibition was discussed at the time, and the catalogue was said to be expected in 2005. A copy has just turned up on my desk for cataloguing (dated 2006!), and it is indeed a beautiful book, with many 18th century paintings and prints as well as photos of the exhibition, in which mannequins were dressed in costume and posed in dramatic scenes in 18th century interiors. The ISBN is 0300107145. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 09:14:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SDEoWb013250 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:14:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SDEiXr005910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:14:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SDE8iF012990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SDE149095079; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SDDhHX094850 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05031 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:13:41 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] "Dangerous liaisons" 2004 exhibition Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] "Dangerous liaisons" 2004 exhibition Thread-Index: AcaajqV18zwHNTodTD+ardT/KUB2GQAJeHJg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k5SDDhHX094850 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A280C4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, I bought this book at Amazon.com this spring. The publication kept getting pushed back for some reason. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kate M Bunting Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:36 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] "Dangerous liaisons" 2004 exhibition Looking in the archives, I see this exhibition was discussed at the time, and the catalogue was said to be expected in 2005. A copy has just turned up on my desk for cataloguing (dated 2006!), and it is indeed a beautiful book, with many 18th century paintings and prints as well as photos of the exhibition, in which mannequins were dressed in costume and posed in dramatic scenes in 18th century interiors. The ISBN is 0300107145. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 12:30:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SGUNQo021650 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:30:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SGUH95007910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SGSWlQ044637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SGRpnL087805; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SETJBv066955 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([67.71.125.124]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060628142918.WKJG27612.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:29:18 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060628102744.00bbd020@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:28:55 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dawn Luckham Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan In-Reply-To: <003001c69a72$8e00bc80$6cbfa6d8@pavilion> References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A2AE99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:20 PM 27/06/2006 -0600, you wrote: > > I've just read a very interesting book on historic costuming for film. > > It contains almost no information on how to design or make clothing, but > > a great deal on how to organize the process of obtaining enormous > > quantities of garments, keeping track of them, and interacting with the > > many other people involved in film making. The author does mention that > > pure white often looks too bright on camera, and so he overdyes with a > > weak solution of Rit tan to make it a shade that "looks" white, or just > > off-white, when filmed. May I ask, what is the title of the book you just read on historic costuming for film? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 14:08:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SI8oZ6026392 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:08:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SI8iRU004514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SI7sIM067114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SI7jtM082394; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SI7fqF082210 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.315.770cb50 (42805) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:07:29 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:07:29 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:08:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A2C5AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/28/2006 12:32:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dluckham@sympatico.ca writes: The author does mention that > > pure white often looks too bright on camera, and so he overdyes with a > > weak solution of Rit tan to make it a shade that "looks" white, or just > > off-white, when filmed. ************************ This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which way you want the white to go. Warm...ecru or tan. Cool beige or a watered down grey. I had a colleague who used to tech with some chemical he ordered in the mail. It was a dark powder that a small amount in a washer load would tech [to a warm brownish tint] things permanently. It never came out! It would also work [quickly]for small items in a hotel sink. The powder turned the water light purple. I remember a designer panicking when she saw the whites in a purple bath, but they came out a perfect brownish tint. I don't remember what chemical it was he was using. It was like Iodine, y'know....purple but tuned everything it touched to brown. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 15:41:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJfc16030323 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:41:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SJfX4g018422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:41:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJeHlf083339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJdfTk065943; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJdIOp065533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.51] (209-148-118-51.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5SJdEV6029927 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:39:15 -0700 Message-ID: <44A2DAE4.6080806@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:39:16 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:41:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A2DB6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or stage, > use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit is on the pink > side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is yellowy. All read as > white. It depends on which way you want the white to go. Warm...ecru or tan. Cool > beige or a watered down grey. Does this also work as a "wash" to soften colors, to tone them down without making them look like they're actually dirty or turning them into a quite different color? If so, what proportion of dye do you use, in comparison to the amount recommended for actually dyeing the fabric a strong tan (for example half or a quarter)? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 15:49:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJnf1A030618 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:49:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SJnagt028820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJn6wB084605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:49:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJmwtA074759; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SJmita074535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.51] (209-148-118-51.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5SJmTGr001128 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:48:30 -0700 Message-ID: <44A2DD0F.2080908@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:48:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> <44A2DAE4.6080806@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <44A2DAE4.6080806@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:49:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A2DD50.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > >> >> This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film or >> stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in Rit >> is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. Ecru is >> yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which way you want the >> white to go. Warm...ecru or tan. Cool beige or a watered down grey. > > > Does this also work as a "wash" to soften colors, to tone them down > without making them look like they're actually dirty or turning them > into a quite different color? If so, what proportion of dye do you use, > in comparison to the amount recommended for actually dyeing the fabric a > strong tan (for example half or a quarter)? Sorry, I meant "a real ecru." The Procion ecru is very nice, but too strong used in the recommended strength, judging from my experience putting it over white. It's a real color. Thanks tons, Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 16:05:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK5GRD031241 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:05:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SK59jd030171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:05:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK4rgk087666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK4gDZ089579; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK4bcb089317 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.37f.5d4b180 (42805) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:04:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37f.5d4b180.31d43ac9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:04:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:05:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A2E0F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/28/2006 3:51:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: It's a real color. For a washer load, I've just thrown in the whole box of ecru. For tan or a grey, just like 1/4 to 1/2 a box. And it does change the color. It is no longer white, but definitely up close looks off-white. But from the audience or on camera, if it's nice and even, it will actually look white, not off white. A true white almost glows on camera. If fact I've used that effect for a ghost. In a film where a girl who was murdered coming home from the prom keeps haunting the dreams of the protagonist. The ghost I put in white white satin with a white white tulle over it. IN dailies she glowed unnaturally white against the dark pine forest of a background. Of course the cinematographer may have tweaked things to help. The film BTW, never came out. It never had more than a working title. "Lydia's Ghost" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 16:07:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK7xoT031355 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:07:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SK7s3Z025097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:07:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK7acu088328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK7HdA092212; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:07:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5SK7AgS092036 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 29884 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 13:07:03 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29853, pid: 29869, t: 4.4824s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 13:06:59 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060628130010.022a1008@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:06:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan In-Reply-To: <44A2DAE4.6080806@lavoltapress.com> References: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> <44A2DAE4.6080806@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:07:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A2E19A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:39 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote: >> >>This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film >>or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in >>Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. >>Ecru is yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which way you >>want the white to go. Warm...ecru or tan. Cool beige or a watered down grey. > >Does this also work as a "wash" to soften colors, to tone them down >without making them look like they're actually dirty or turning them >into a quite different color? If so, what proportion of dye do you >use, in comparison to the amount recommended for actually dyeing the >fabric a strong tan (for example half or a quarter)? > >Thanks, > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com According to my Artist's Color Wheel, in order to tone a color you add a bit of grey. So it depends upon what look you are seeking. For any over-dyeing where all you want is a slight change in color or tone, I would use no more than 1/10 to 1/8 of the recommended amount for regular dyeing. One can always add more, but removing the excess would be hard, if not impossible. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 17:11:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SLB3GT002006 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:11:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SLAwiF023940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:11:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SL94bL000540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SL8r0p049375; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5SL8mSC049185 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006062816533822741 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:53:38 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SKrUB2023199 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:53:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:53:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:11:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A2F062.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What if you used just a little bit of color remover to soften the color, rather than overdying? Kate 609-570-3584 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Joan Jurancich Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan At 12:39 PM 6/28/2006, you wrote: >> >>This is true of stage too. But most wardrobe people I know, film >>or stage, use Rit Ecru to tech white down. Well most often. Tan in >>Rit is on the pink side. And Beige in Rit is on the green side. >>Ecru is yellowy. All read as white. It depends on which way you >>want the white to go. Warm...ecru or tan. Cool beige or a watered down grey. > >Does this also work as a "wash" to soften colors, to tone them down >without making them look like they're actually dirty or turning them >into a quite different color? If so, what proportion of dye do you >use, in comparison to the amount recommended for actually dyeing the >fabric a strong tan (for example half or a quarter)? > >Thanks, > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com According to my Artist's Color Wheel, in order to tone a color you add a bit of grey. So it depends upon what look you are seeking. For any over-dyeing where all you want is a slight change in color or tone, I would use no more than 1/10 to 1/8 of the recommended amount for regular dyeing. One can always add more, but removing the excess would be hard, if not impossible. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 18:03:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SM3Q4g003960 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:03:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5SM3L3i004559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:03:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SM2Tb4008839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:02:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SM1iSv093135; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:01:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (exim@polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5SK0h6A085479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:00:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FvgBx-00030t-0a for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:59:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:59:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Cat Dancer X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan In-Reply-To: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <315.770cb50.31d41f61@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A2FCA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > I had a colleague who used to tech with some chemical he ordered in the > mail. It was a dark powder that a small amount in a washer load would tech [to a > warm brownish tint] things permanently. It never came out! It would also work > [quickly]for small items in a hotel sink. The powder turned the water light > purple. I remember a designer panicking when she saw the whites in a purple > bath, but they came out a perfect brownish tint. > > I don't remember what chemical it was he was using. It was like Iodine, > y'know....purple but tuned everything it touched to brown. Does anyone know what > I'm talking about? It sounds like potassium permanganate. Although I could be wrong--chemistry class was a long time ago. pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 20:48:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T0mv7U011528 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:48:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5T0mnh9015847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T0mFGi029880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T0lpGW007718; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T0llKm007637 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:47:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.49c.4158a7e (42807) for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:47:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <49c.4158a7e.31d47d27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:47:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A32371.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/28/2006 6:05:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com writes: It sounds like potassium permanganate. Although I could be wrong--chemistry class was a long time ago. ****************** That must be it, because I can hear them calling it "potassium" in my mind's...er...ear.... I never saw the package it came in...but it would be stored in a mason jar. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 22:03:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T23w2F015929 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:03:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5T23qab024318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:03:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T23QiS039125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T23NKf065195; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51314.mail.yahoo.com (web51314.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.124]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5T238u6065049 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 31068 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2006 02:03:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=J7BN7cGVeVSuRulJWfEAgeDffnr4BZpcJ+up9qsuG34UM+90ScLd3UxZtZVbIoGH8VGe5IeFEVaFpaJ/jhVTZK+eaCCVfSxtA3Ev3je+TnUE6Cai7x7TA0uG6zVxC/EFdwAYhp0fC4uc0HVRTlZ05sdfNZYv0qlXRJxcDdeYvDo= ; Message-ID: <20060629020302.31062.qmail@web51314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.148.45.249] by web51314.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:03:02 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: KMnO(sub)4 Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <49c.4158a7e.31d47d27@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:03:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A33508.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd be REALLY CAREFUL of KMnO4 around cloth. It's an awfully strong reducing agent. Read up on its chemistry and interactions before using. Ann in CT --- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > pixel@hundred-acre-wood.com writes: > > It sounds like potassium permanganate. Although I > could be > wrong--chemistry class was a long time ago. > > ****************** > > That must be it, because I can hear them calling it > "potassium" in my > mind's...er...ear.... > I never saw the package it came in...but it would be > stored in a mason jar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 28 22:44:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T2iMlP018260 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:44:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5T2iGKh003344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:44:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T2hoZS045383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:43:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T2hmeT094851; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:43:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web.vaxxine.com (web.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5T2hiVf094775 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:43:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from oemcomputer (ppp183.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.183]) by web.vaxxine.com (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k5T2jeAG457218 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: Message-ID: <00f501c69b25$d6418070$b7e805d1@oemcomputer> From: "david webb" To: "Historical Costume" References: <449B574F.2080301@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] History of measuring tools Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:43:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:44:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A33E80.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings all: Some related info on everything you ever wanted to know about household items made of wood: Treen and other wooden bygones : an encyclopaedia and social history Pinto, Edward H. Bell, 1969. x, 458 p., 239 plates : Old, but considered a classic. Also Shire Publications at: http://www.shirebooks.co.uk/Antiques/household-bl.htm Scales and Balances £3.50 J. T. Graham 0 7478 0227 0 (Album 55) 32 pp, 40 ills. Today we accept weighing as part of everyday life, using its principles as measures of our ideas of justice, but giving methods of weighing little thought. Weighing, however, is an ancient art, which has exercised the minds of philosophers, scientists, engineers and even the dishonest for at least six thousand years. This book shows how men strove to produce a machine which could compare more accurately, or more quickly, or would meet a special need or perhaps even sell more cheaply. With the aid of many illustrations and non-technical language some essential knowledge of the principles of weighing is provided. The late J. T. Graham had a considerable collection of old scales and old weights and measures and was a senior officer in the weights and measures department of a large local authority. The late Maurice Stevenson, who revised this book for its third edition, was a senior inspector of weights and measures and also a keen collector of old scales and weights. Other Shire titles by this author: Weights and Measures £3.50 J. T. Graham 0 7478 0226 2 (Album 44) 32 pp, 43 ills. Weights and measures, being small antique objects with a background of great interest, have become an ideal and popular subject for the collector. The story of how they came to be used and developed is a long and fascinating one and this book not only tells that story but provides much information for collectors. The many illustrations of verification stamps will assist collectors to identify and perhaps date examples in their own collections. The late J. T. Graham had a considerable collection of old weights and measures and was a senior officer in the weights and measures department of a large local authority. The late Maurice Stevenson, who revised this book for its third edition, was a senior inspector of weights and measures and an enthusiastic collector of old weights and measures. Other Shire titles by this author are: Weights and Measures Hope this helps, Sheridan Alder ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] History of measuring tools > Can anyone recommend a solid book on the history and use of measuring > tools in the home for things like sewing and cooking? I'm interested in > the history and use of the tools rather than measurement systems per se. > For the latter, BTW, there are several interesting books by Ronald Edward > Zupko. > > Thanks, > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 6/19/2006 > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 09:22:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TDM5YC019032 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TDLxgk004145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TDL8u8032991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TDKgVJ057318; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TDKYKx057219 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.164.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.164] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FvwRd-0003P4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: <44A3E162.6020504@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:19:14 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A3D3F7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've done all kinds of overdying for theatre to tone things down. It really depends on which way you want the color to go. Grey is not always the best choice, as it really dulls things out. Tan and ecru will take the color in a warmer direction, but it depends on the characteristics of those colors in the dye you use. Sometimes what we do is use a tiny bit of the complementary color--overdye a really bright green with some red or pink. This takes down the intensity of the color without greying it out. If you use a lot, of course, it will turn some shade of brown. Not knowing what sort of dye you'll be using, I can't recommend a proportion. The only thing I can suggest in general is to use less than you think you'll need, and if it isn't enough, do it again. You can always add more, but as someone pointed out, it's hard to take it out again. Someone also suggested using color/dye remover. You could try this--its efficacy will depend on what sort of dye you used in the first place. And you'll have to have a big enough pot to do it on the stove, as it requires heat. And it STINKS to high heaven. The result (if it works) will be a pastel version of the color you currently have. You don't say what your process has been thus far, but if you do have a big enough pot to do these (even one at a time) on the stove with an adding-dye method, it will really help your color control. Washing machine dyeing takes a lot of time and water, and you can't really see what's happening until it's over. I find it frustrating for trying to adjust things. With a pot on the stove, you can do a bit of a dye, rinse, wring out and iron a corner to see what color you've got, then do a bit more if it wasn't enough the first time. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 11:01:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TF1rUG024180 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:01:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TF1lwG025386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:01:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TF1GKY051792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TF1EHV046986; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TF1Awv046855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fvy0x-00007N-2F; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:01:07 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:01:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20060629110107.j5xsc8g040884k0g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:01:07 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO What is it that "defines" taffeta? I just snatched the *most* gorgeous piece of what I'd call taffeta (it's heavy and it *sounds* like taffeta) at Hancocks for $3.00/yard (WoHoo) with 40% cupon. It's pink on one side and lavendar on the other (not shot, though). And it's *natural* cotton/linen/rayon blend. Happy Dance! and it's *mine* :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 11:16:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFGkwd024602 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:16:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TFGeqc003338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFGGcp053990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFGD6I061361; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFG2MW061093 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:16:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.227.122]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 64472244 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:15:23 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:16:55 -0500 Message-ID: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20060629110107.j5xsc8g040884k0g@www.goldsword.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcabjUIzbJSK2659QOKIFDgUKcVnXwAAP9oQ X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 211, in=358, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.227.122 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:16:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A3EED9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Taffeta is a ribbed fabric. That is, there are many more threads in one direction than in the other. If you have twice as many filling threads as you have warp threads, the filling threads pretty much cover the warp, and make little ridges called ribs. Crepe de Chine, shantung, poplin and faille are some other ribbed fabrics. Taffeta is also made from filament yarn. This can be silk or nylon or polyester or even rayon--anything that is extruded as one long filament. It can't be wool or cotton or linen, since those are not long filaments. Iridescent taffeta has warp and filling yarns of different colors. Moire taffeta has a water-marked, embossed design. A good magnifying glass cvan help you see the weave better, to identify a taffeta from a broadcloth or a satin weave. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:01 AM To: Costume List Subject: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta What is it that "defines" taffeta? I just snatched the *most* gorgeous piece of what I'd call taffeta (it's heavy and it *sounds* like taffeta) at Hancocks for $3.00/yard (WoHoo) with 40% cupon. It's pink on one side and lavendar on the other (not shot, though). And it's *natural* cotton/linen/rayon blend. Happy Dance! and it's *mine* :-D Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 11:54:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFsclT025886 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:54:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TFsXnB021525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:54:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFrb7j060293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFrTPn095504; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TFrOL8095327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FvypU-0006eU-05; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:53:19 -0400 Message-ID: <20060629115319.alrxdre680cw08oc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:53:19 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta References: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> In-Reply-To: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A3F7B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Kim Baird : > Taffeta is a ribbed fabric. That is, there are many more threads in one > direction than in the other. If you have twice as many filling threads as > you have warp threads, the filling threads pretty much cover the warp, and > make little ridges called ribs. Thanks! I'll have to check. > > Crepe de Chine, shantung, poplin and faille are some other ribbed fabrics. > > Taffeta is also made from filament yarn. This can be silk or nylon or > polyester or even rayon--anything that is extruded as one long filament. It > can't be wool or cotton or linen, since those are not long filaments. > > Iridescent taffeta has warp and filling yarns of different colors. The warp is white, the weft is pink and purple. I think I got that right ..... > > A good magnifying glass cvan help you see the weave better, to identify a > taffeta from a broadcloth or a satin weave. It's not a satin weave, I know that. Thanks! Maybe I'll take a photo and post it somewhere tonight. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 12:20:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGKlim026684 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:20:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TGKgWI022353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:20:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGKFwr064361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGKCbF020044; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGK4u6019920 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5552.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.82]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id DC356FAC03A for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:19:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:20:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:20:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A3FDDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, Today was my lucky day. My costumer for the yellow robe a la francaise sended me a pair of pictures with her wearing the dress. More pictures soon, as she is going to a ball on july 1st. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork2.htm I added the websites again, on how i made the dress, its here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm I must say she got a beautifull figure in the stays! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 12:48:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGm14X027603 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:48:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TGlsZh027567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:48:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGl6eO068495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGl2nK045238; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:47:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TGkqo4045061 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.279.b2b5484 (15866) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID65-3dfa44a403ec1b4; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:46:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <742b1190aa1438f31b2a100e08307289@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:46:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A4043A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k5TGm14X027603 Status: RO Gorgeous! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 29, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hello, > Today was my lucky day. My costumer for the yellow robe a la francaise > sended me a pair of pictures with her wearing the dress. More pictures > soon, as she is going to a ball on july 1st. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork2.htm > I added the websites again, on how i made the dress, its here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm > I must say she got a beautifull figure in the stays! > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 13:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THGDnZ028910 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:16:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5THG8DM005248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:16:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THEM9P072785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THEJaf070552; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5THEFUk070367 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 30740 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2006 17:07:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KJ2mvsbNrlGyWTykc4cL2N1d3olvsSby3OfNj4udPAWu/3TubGYkyh7iWBAtNcO5XwYx9S04R6/Ro3t2/sEdVWwRfz2A2dk+CTtmsM6HlYJD4qYnCRYNy7cljeSgeNO9hH1JjJ3t/wRZfL/wC9Uc1S9rXBpeudTngeAbgeGqAR8= ; Message-ID: <20060629170730.30738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:07:30 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200606281803.k5SI0hUk075940@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th cent movie X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:16:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A40AD9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh Barry Lyndon one of my favorites very 18th century, and all the scences look like they came right out of 18th century artists minds... 18 cent Mia in CHarlotte NC,, pretty hot, pretty wet, but not as wet as further north. Just back from Williamsburg, VA. We stayed in one of the tavern roms that Williamsburg rents, and it looked just like a Hogarth etching, you know, the harlots or Rakes progress, one of the later one's with stays and such strewn about....you would like it there Bjarne, but it is less courtly, and more boisterous as befits life on the frontier. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 13:18:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THInAA029035 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:18:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5THIid6032297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:18:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THHVpJ073363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:17:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THHRem073559; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:17:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5THH303073271 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 18305 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2006 10:10:22 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 18261, pid: 18276, t: 3.9855s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:37/d:1411 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 29 Jun 2006 10:10:18 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060629100859.022a2738@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 10:10:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer In-Reply-To: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A40B74.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 09:20 AM 6/29/2006, you wrote: >Hello, >Today was my lucky day. My costumer for the yellow robe a la >francaise sended me a pair of pictures with her wearing the dress. >More pictures soon, as she is going to a ball on july 1st. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork2.htm >I added the websites again, on how i made the dress, its here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/chenillestumpwork.htm >I must say she got a beautifull figure in the stays! > >Bjarne Very lovely! The dress looks like it fits just right, and your customer wears it well. =D> Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 13:27:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THRmgs029368 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:27:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5THRhHj001007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THPDee074496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5THP883080932; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5THP1bi080725 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 42703 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jun 2006 17:18:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sIAA4Tn0Efb8zzCrU0Yj3Cpaoy36sl0MDpHs18XSgmT2k2BzXEIH0MwjVVH/QZNRayFLaV6qYjScNcS8VhA4RAwXK/tcRLiuzlJcbUYjwtjauKlthAQ4/G2mY7R6uBIHiTBYIjMxQcG63A2ifs3HIW3HM+0/DkNVVPfcOq/siqU= ; Message-ID: <20060629171815.42701.qmail@web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [82.112.146.124] by web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:18:15 BST Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:18:15 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00f501c69b25$d6418070$b7e805d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: History of measuring tools + seeking a replica set of scales X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:27:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A40D8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO david webb wrote: Greetings all: Some related info on everything you ever wanted to know about household items made of wood: MUCH SNIPPAGE The late Maurice Stevenson, who revised this book for its third edition, was a senior inspector of weights and measures and an enthusiastic collector of old weights and measures. Other Shire titles by this author are: "Weights and Measures" SNIP COMMENT Gentles of the List, While David Webb - [thanks for a most intersting and informative Posting, BTW, David] - is on the subject of historical weighing - can anyone recommend any Merchant/source for a set of medieval-looking small scales? My Lady Alys Vitel would like to have a set sutiable for a late-15th C Apothecary/Herbalist. Something with a price tag that wouldn't call for me to take-out a second Mortgage to afford to buy the scales, would be nice? God's Blessings on you all this Feast of St. Cassius; - and until He calls us Home to Him for the Last Battle and The Judgement that shall follow.. Yours in Service, Matthew ["Messire Matthew Baker", Governor & Castellan of Jersey, 1486-1497: Motto - "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (Trans:-"if you wish for Peace, prepare for War") ] aka. - Julian Wilson, - late-medieval Re-enactor; Herald, Historian, & Master Artisan to "The Companie of the Duke's Leopards", [the Island of "old" Jersey's only mediæval living-history Group] Meet us at < www.dukesleopards.org >" [input] - --------------------------------- Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 15:37:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TJbjx7002960 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:37:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TJbevN027291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:37:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TJas9B095260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:36:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TJaldu097187; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TJaipk097144 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aspasia1@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c31so426312pyd for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KtR8zVU84CU487kAyH1w+KBxHlsGVxbIOh0NBfn6Bn9fBlaMlR0gW15twk4D56huPHdXbOzCMzTTh8K3vlVKt6hOQb7GlqFDdpWBj8mycm5HST6Q20jRUk8soIZcKfbtjeozG/DBG+Wkx+LYLRrFQdWlQ9A+HozD+KVvAXt0+6I= Received: by 10.35.99.14 with SMTP id b14mr1921678pym; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.127.13 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:36:43 -0400 From: "Bonnie Booker" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: History of measuring tools + seeking a replica set of scales In-Reply-To: <20060629171815.42701.qmail@web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00f501c69b25$d6418070$b7e805d1@oemcomputer> <20060629171815.42701.qmail@web25908.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A42C04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Try http://www.preciousplunder.com. He does jewelry, but he has done working scales for years. He says it is something any good viking should have. After all, our household is known as The House of Shining Scales. Tell him I sent you and the price should be good. Something with a price tag that wouldn't call for me to take-out a second Mortgage to afford to buy the scales, would be nice? -- Aspasia Moonwind _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 17:26:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLQ5r3006819 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TLPxiO005818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLPPam011328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLPKuA082670; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:25:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLPFXR082497 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A6F3B63D for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:25:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44A44543.3020009@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:25:23 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century mummies on display X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:26:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A44567.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 17:41:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLfGIx007443 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:41:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TLfBk3011414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:41:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLeJvM014318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLe8Zi096072; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TLe29A095895 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.490.40716da (58435) for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <490.40716da.31d5a2a9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:39:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:41:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A448F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO MMmmmmmmm....yummy butter yellow. The embroidery is stunning. But of course I have to complain. I miss the ruffle on the petticoat. I think it needs it, especially with the fancier "bird" stomacher. The petticoat looks unfinished in the context of 18th century wide pannier gowns. Were it worn over pads and more modest without a train and such, the ruffle-less petticoat might fly. But my mind wants to see some fussy 3-d something peaking out from the front edges of the gown. It's just part of the aesthetic. But don't mind me....it's a beautiful stunning ensemble. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 29 18:38:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TMcp94009785 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:38:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5TMcjcQ029723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TMbNXm022260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TMbIcZ041195; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5TMbFr4041083 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.91]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:37:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:37:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:37:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060629170730.30738.qmail@web30106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th cent movie Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:36:58 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2006 22:37:06.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CF46B60:01C69BCC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:38:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A45675.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Barry Lyndon was filmed in period interiors, with extant clothing and by candlelight. One of the best films Kubrick ever made! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mia Dappert" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] 18th cent movie > Oh Barry Lyndon > > one of my favorites > > very 18th century, and all the scences look like they came right out of > 18th century artists minds... > > 18 cent Mia in CHarlotte NC,, pretty hot, pretty wet, but not as wet as > further north. Just back from Williamsburg, VA. We stayed in one of the > tavern roms that Williamsburg rents, and it looked just like a Hogarth > etching, you know, the harlots or Rakes progress, one of the later one's > with stays and such strewn about....you would like it there Bjarne, but it > is less courtly, and more boisterous as befits life on the frontier. > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 04:10:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U8AKp2029006 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:10:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5U8ACJu014717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:10:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U89YNt098068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U89SHN083815; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U89MNY083733 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k5U89ZEq008092 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:09:35 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.95.92] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-95-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.95.92]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U89HTJ181896 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:09:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060630003205.0271aaa0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 00:33:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan In-Reply-To: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:10:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A4DC64.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >(I'm not thrilled about the idea of using tea because of the tannin, and I >suspect tea [and coffee] is not all that fast either.) I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if you're worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 06:08:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UA7wMB023483 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:08:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UA7rve010387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:07:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UA1JWQ012790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UA1E63058888; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:01:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UA14jP058783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.67] (209-148-118-67.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.67]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5TLQW5u002634 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:26:33 -0700 Message-ID: <44A4458B.2060900@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:26:35 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> <44A3E162.6020504@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <44A3E162.6020504@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:07:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A4F7F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I've done all kinds of overdying for theatre to tone things down. It > really depends on which way you want the color to go. Grey is not > always the best choice, as it really dulls things out. Tan and ecru > will take the color in a warmer direction, but it depends on the > characteristics of those colors in the dye you use. My guess without having done it is that a tan or ecru would be bettter for warmer colors, and a gray for cool; these are all yellows, oranges, and peaches. > > Sometimes what we do is use a tiny bit of the complementary > color--overdye a really bright green with some red or pink. This takes > down the intensity of the color without greying it out. If you use a > lot, of course, it will turn some shade of brown. I was also considering that. Not knowing what sort > of dye you'll be using, I can't recommend a proportion. Procion dyes for cotton, washer dyeing, washer holds 15 gallons. I found out by experience that regular dyeing to full strength, for this amount of water, takes twice the amount of dye recommended for vat dyeing. I like washer dyeing because all the agitation pretty much guarantees a nice even dye job as long as you don't cram in too much material. And because, although you have to keep turning the dial back to get a long enough agitation time, I can get my husband to help--he doesn't mind taking his laptop or a book to the basement and spending an hour or two there. I suspect getting him to help stir a dye pot on the stove is not on the cards. I have a couple dozen shirts and tops to tone down. The only thing > I can suggest in general is to use less than you think you'll need, and > if it isn't enough, do it again. You can always add more, but as > someone pointed out, it's hard to take it out again. That does sound like a good idea. > > Someone also suggested using color/dye remover. You could try this--its > efficacy will depend on what sort of dye you used in the first place. > And you'll have to have a big enough pot to do it on the stove, as it > requires heat. And it STINKS to high heaven. The result (if it works) > will be a pastel version of the color you currently have. I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be good? > Thanks, Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 08:33:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UCXC7P010997 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:33:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UCX78f021593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:33:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UCVvrC033355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UCVZuo051216; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UCVTba051125 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.237.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.237] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FwI9g-0005T6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:31:28 -0400 Message-ID: <44A5275E.8050405@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:30:06 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> <44A3E162.6020504@faucet.net> <44A4458B.2060900@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:33:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A51A03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. Then adding dye rather than dye remover is what you want. > Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be good? I would say try it. If it doesn't do enough, do it again with more. 10% is a very safe amount--I definitely don't think it would be too much. Good luck, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 10:26:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEQfDY016366 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UEQaJF020436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:26:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEPqQK049682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEPoic041390; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEPiQt041222 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.55e.c47783 (42805) for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <55e.c47783.31d68e5a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:25:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:26:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A5349C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 6/30/2006 4:10:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if you're worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. ******************** It can be regular coffee outta the pot! On location once we had to tech some lace mitts....real fast. I went to the craft service truck, poured a big mug of coffee, and put the mitts in it. Stir...wring...dry with hair dryer...VOILA! Forget the sugar and cream..... :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 10:43:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEhQE6017061 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:43:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UEhLag025056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:43:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEgCPl052017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEfrHI055335; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.derby.ac.uk (mail1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5U7ucpS075364 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k5U7uUQ20436.; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:56:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:56:29 +0100 Message-Id: <44A4E72702000014000BA3F6@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:56:07 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer References: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000e01c69b97$e00615e0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A53889.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The embroidered stomacher with the birds looks exquisite! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 10:44:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEitPL017116 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:44:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UEiouO027672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:44:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEi4TC052319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:44:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UEi2pU057188; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UClGII061727 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 06:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060630124711.RENU26910.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:47:11 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c69c43$4974efa0$0300a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcacHMS34QWh/g6hQcqSjGThBvNOjAAJhnoQ In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060630003205.0271aaa0@mail.frys.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. Calling Carol Kocian X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:44:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A538E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My apologies to the list - I'm in Virginia and don't have Carol's e-mail address with me - duh! I am supposed to be meeting with Carol in Washington next week, have phoned and left messages but no reply. Will try the office number today. Carol, you can e-mail me at the address for Anne Moeller, or at my address as I am picking up mail. 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Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.7/379 - Release Date: 6/29/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 11:15:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UFFnkq018641 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:15:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UFFinl000573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:15:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UF98MV057077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UF91mU080864; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UF8qeJ080669 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:08:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDC63B641 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:08:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44A53E95.8000800@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:09:09 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <55e.c47783.31d68e5a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <55e.c47783.31d68e5a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:15:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A54020.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if you're > worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. > > ******************** > > It can be regular coffee outta the pot! But it's not colorfast. It will come out the first time she uses a commercial detergent on it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 12:12:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGCQeZ021407 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UGCLeD025417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGBHn6066675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGADL9038385; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:10:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UG9n8E038040 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5516.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.22]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 81204FAC02A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002001c69c5f$9bf15b30$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <490.40716da.31d5a2a9@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:09:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A54D65.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Albertcat, Thanks for your posting, i am always willing to take critisism, and you are right it would have ben more beautifull with a ruffle on the skirt, but dresses without ruffles also excists, take for instance the weddingdress in cut of womens clothes, wich has the same puffed trimmings as the yellow dress, and no ruffle. But to tell you the truth it was because i wanted to finish that dress, that i discharged the ruffle, it had already taken much two much of my sparetime, and i had to end the matter. I also said it would be the last dress i would make, but i have to take my words and eat them, because i have another dress in mind for this winter season............... Thanks for your note................. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] finally pictures from my costumer > MMmmmmmmm....yummy butter yellow. The embroidery is stunning. > > But of course I have to complain. I miss the ruffle on the petticoat. I > think it needs it, especially with the fancier "bird" stomacher. The > petticoat > looks unfinished in the context of 18th century wide pannier gowns. Were > it worn > over pads and more modest without a train and such, the ruffle-less > petticoat might fly. But my mind wants to see some fussy 3-d something > peaking out > from the front edges of the gown. It's just part of the aesthetic. > > But don't mind me....it's a beautiful stunning ensemble. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 12:12:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGCRoX021408 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UGCLhd032160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGBWPk066701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGBPkT039311; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:11:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGAbPX038446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.115] (209-148-118-115.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k5UG9gD1026178 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:10:14 -0700 Message-ID: <44A54CC3.7060200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:09:39 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan References: <4.3.1.2.20060630003205.0271aaa0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060630003205.0271aaa0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:12:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A54D65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't think the caffeine has anything to do with the tannin. Fran Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> (I'm not thrilled about the idea of using tea because of the tannin, >> and I suspect tea [and coffee] is not all that fast either.) > > > I'm told that caffeine-free coffee, or tea, can be used as a dye if > you're worried about tannin. I don't know if it's true or not. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 12:28:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGSJF5022277 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:28:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UGSE0H000544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:28:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGS1oj069156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGPdsm052541; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGPZsu052482 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k5UGOPVu028392 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:24:25 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.95.92] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-95-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.95.92]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGPUBM138530 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:25:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060630091633.0264f900@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:25:54 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan In-Reply-To: <44A54CC3.7060200@lavoltapress.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20060630003205.0271aaa0@mail.frys.com> <4.3.1.2.20060630003205.0271aaa0@mail.frys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:28:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A5511E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I don't think the caffeine has anything to do with the tannin. I heard that caffeine was the acidic part of coffee or tea, as tannin is with walnut husks. So the suggestion was to use caffeine-free, which would be acid-free, and the better thing archivally. But I only know that I heard this, not that it was necessarily true. I wonder if anyone else has heard the same suggestion. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 12:43:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGhs0k023274 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:43:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UGhnSF017738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:43:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGgdMd071619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UGgO3I068112; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:42:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UGgFmh067872 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 24398 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 16:41:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G+jNoKid7Efto39vtgQ6ZnfO1zs9vilgWNUm4vU8UlSAawc9OFabjudGVstGd+Q7fzai4CnDKDs2dkz5KNKIYsfEyw2AKXsUhhs90FE1v30UxTlmTyqpWhIRXjAvyefY3lMe96bvPWR1Musmb8nrtsA6bGPYKSn6ZnG+H7fU6wU= ; Message-ID: <20060630164153.24396.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.18.91] by web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:41:53 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:41:53 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Done, Done, Done X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:43:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A554C5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, it's done!!! Shipped and out of my control. I'm not happy with all of it, but it is the best I could do for the moment. I've learned a lot and the next one will be better. I can't recommend the Margo Anderson pattern, although others seem to think it is wonderful! It could be that I just didn't have the right mindset. About the third time I took things apart I began to understand what was supposed to happen - but I don't think it was marked well enough and assumed a lot of Elizabethan clothing construction knowledge. Plus I'm not really happy with the scale. When I got the chemise all together and on a hanger I realized that the sleeves are waaaaay too long and the body is too wide across the shoulders. (My only excuse is that it was 3am and I was making the push to get it shipped on time. Otherwise I'm sure I would have noticed earlier) It didn't help that I haven't seen Ansel since Christmas and couldn't have him try things on. I'm anxious to hear how it fits. I am taking the sewing machine and leftover fabric with me when we go to Wisconsin at the end of July. So if it doesn't fit too well he will only have to wear it a couple of weeks before I can fix it. This coming weekend is dress rehearsal and the Faire opens on July 8. We will be up there July 21-28. So if anybody is at the Bristol Faire and sees Capt. Frobisher, please let me know what you think. Be honest - I can take it. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 14:55:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UItLS9030103 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:55:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UItFI5013160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:55:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UIsOQB099971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UIs89m082644; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UIs5uJ082528 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCLL629ADXW6UA for (sender ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LT5TMS3U; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:52:47 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:34:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Done, Done, Done Message-ID: <20060630.133453.-1384055.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,10-53 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 20:10:3643961026 X-MAIL-INFO: 10f5ada9add1ddd8d1dd38dcdd386d2c29a53961e185a5754971e1b975f10581759d113df55df528d9385cddf5dc X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xv0K4EH+ac/U5+kSiHxi3/U6nq3jvEptw== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:55:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A57393.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm a member of St. George at Bristol and I know your son. I'll let you know how it goes this weekend. Cross your fingers that we don't get drowned by the predicted storms! Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:41:53 -0700 (PDT) REBECCA BURCH writes: > Well, it's done!!! Shipped and out of my control. > I'm not happy with all of it, but it is the best I > could do for the moment. > > I've learned a lot and the next one will be better. I > can't recommend the Margo Anderson pattern, although > others seem to think it is wonderful! It could be > that I just didn't have the right mindset. About the > third time I took things apart I began to understand > what was supposed to happen - but I don't think it was > marked well enough and assumed a lot of Elizabethan > clothing construction knowledge. Plus I'm not really > happy with the scale. When I got the chemise all > together and on a hanger I realized that the sleeves > are waaaaay too long and the body is too wide across > the shoulders. (My only excuse is that it was 3am and > I was making the push to get it shipped on time. > Otherwise I'm sure I would have noticed earlier) > > It didn't help that I haven't seen Ansel since > Christmas and couldn't have him try things on. I'm > anxious to hear how it fits. I am taking the sewing > machine and leftover fabric with me when we go to > Wisconsin at the end of July. So if it doesn't fit > too well he will only have to wear it a couple of > weeks before I can fix it. This coming weekend is > dress rehearsal and the Faire opens on July 8. We > will be up there July 21-28. > > So if anybody is at the Bristol Faire and sees Capt. > Frobisher, please let me know what you think. Be > honest - I can take it. > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 15:25:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJPmjO031701 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:25:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UJPg9m029939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:25:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJNmFA004194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJEmLt000282; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJEdJV099939 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5516.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.22]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B200A50038 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:14:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:14:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wig X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:25:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A57AB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I have looked in all my books for a picture of a nice wig i want. I finally desided to this one, from Galleries des Modes et Costumes Francaises. Its a 1780 ies wig, and i think it will be good to my suits. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm What do you think? Thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 15:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJb8ZQ032458 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UJb2T7018848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:37:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJaS9R005809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJaGBI018554; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UJaAlP018381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:36:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.48] (209-148-118-48.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k5UJZx35008353 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:35:59 -0700 Message-ID: <44A57D22.80905@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:36:02 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> <44A3E162.6020504@faucet.net> <44A4458B.2060900@lavoltapress.com> <44A5275E.8050405@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <44A5275E.8050405@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:37:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A57D5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks to Melanie and everyone. I suppose it's time to try it. After I do my next two loads of stuff I'm dyeing for the first time, I'll start experimenting with softening some of the overly bright warm colors I did. (My husband keeps saying he wants to have "fun" with the dye jobs and considering some of his ideas, I have to keep telling him he's only allowed to have "safe fun.") I have, BTW, occasionally dyed white cotton lace by making coffee too strong to drink and soaking the lace in it in a bowl till it was about the right color. However, this was for things that won't be washed a lot. Tea produces a pinker brown than coffee, and I don't like that color as much. Quilters can get away with using it a lot because quilts don't usually get washed often. BTW, I went to the dentist in Berkeley a couple days ago, and the big Discount Fabrics there is having a moving sale. Signs all over. I didn't have time to go in, but I have to go back on Monday and maybe I can make it then. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. > > > Then adding dye rather than dye remover is what you want. > >> Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be good? > > > I would say try it. If it doesn't do enough, do it again with more. 10% > is a very safe amount--I definitely don't think it would be too much. > > Good luck, > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 16:05:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UK5rNx001567 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:05:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UK5mQZ020413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:05:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UK4rX2009910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UK4otm046631; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UK4kpT046552 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so11133nfc for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D+zT0flyH93Dg62PMdqJWrdmY9rQMFORZayiKWvGG0Mw+Fhwn9wpiwQC2zb4Hun6FUnI3OHZgTkYsjAvbjf8Uw9GWUES36KcoNKdemOM18pXPAHE9d1UpBXi90At0Of+8ZNRBoCB2zCJ9IuaLhVEQbSyrL/Jg4MPlx8JfJc8tLI= Received: by 10.48.215.20 with SMTP id n20mr590435nfg; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.5 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0606301304x2c81bd4ifefbd48328993dd9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:04:45 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics In-Reply-To: <44A57D22.80905@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44A1AE46.5090101@lavoltapress.com> <44A3E162.6020504@faucet.net> <44A4458B.2060900@lavoltapress.com> <44A5275E.8050405@faucet.net> <44A57D22.80905@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A5841C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO YIKES!! Discount Fabrics is one place I consider necessary any time I need to sew anything - and I mean anything. I haven't been for a while (been a good girl and used stuff from my stash), and I guess I'd better find time soon! On dyeing with coffee/tea: I've never liked that pink tinge that tea gives, as Fran says. However, I'm very happy with my experience (only one) with using coffee to distress a costume -- and I know that's not what Fran is doing with her shirts. I just wanted to give you my experiences with dyeing with coffee. I made a costume skirt for a low-life character (my daughter) in October for our San Francisco Dickens Christmas Fair. Please note I'm not a professional; I just knew it looked too nice and tried to figure out a way to make it older. The fabric looked too nice for the character so once completed, I went over to my neighborhood Peet's coffee shop and begged a gallon-sized bag of their used grounds. I boiled it up at home in a huge pot and skimmed off the water over the better part of an hour, adding more water and grounds as needed. I finally ended up with lots of very dark colored liquid, not good enough for coffee but quite dark, and soaked the whole skirt in this distillation - on the back porch. After about 1/2 hour I lifted it out and hung it so only the hem of the skirt from the knee down was still in it. Half hour later I pulled it so only the very end of the hem was in the water, then an hour later I pulled it out completely and hung it to dry. Once dry, I splashed the rest of the liquid on the front and back from the knees down to add a bit more color, rubbed some potting soil into it, and let it dry once more. It looks stained and old. After that we distressed it with sandpaper and other things. I washed it after the run and, once dry, threw it on the bottom of the closet, where the shoes now live on top of it. I didn't notice any fading of the coffee stains we put into it after it was washed. I'll have to check again when we pull it out in October. At that point I'm going to use more sandpaper and bleach a couple of spots and use some shoe polish on other parts. My experience is not to say that the coffee won't wash out eventually. I only washed the skirt once, right before it went into storage. I wasn't brave enough to wash it with other things; it went into the machine alone. The stains will last two seasons at least; by that time she'll need a new skirt anyway. LynnD On 6/30/06, Lavolta Press wrote: > SNIP> > > I have, BTW, occasionally dyed white cotton lace by making coffee too > strong to drink and soaking the lace in it in a bowl till it was about > the right color. However, this was for things that won't be washed a > lot. Tea produces a pinker brown than coffee, and I don't like that > color as much. Quilters can get away with using it a lot because quilts > don't usually get washed often. > > BTW, I went to the dentist in Berkeley a couple days ago, and the big > Discount Fabrics there is having a moving sale. Signs all over. I > didn't have time to go in, but I have to go back on Monday and maybe I > can make it then. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 16:14:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKEUF3001871 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:14:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UKEOlX005006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKDUxT011190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKD2ex054142; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKCuJo054079 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.205.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.205] helo=faucet.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FwPMF-0000DB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: <44A59384.3090901@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:11:32 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig References: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:14:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A58620.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have looked in all my books for a picture of a nice wig i want. I > finally desided to this one, from Galleries des Modes et Costumes > Francaises. Its a 1780 ies wig, and i think it will be good to my suits. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm > What do you think? Very stylish, but would it be difficult to maintain the perfection of those rolls? (Wigs for the theatre tend to need a lot of maintenance, but then I'm sure you would take better care of yours than most actors do!) I think it would be very handsome on you. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 16:48:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKmdfB003343 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:48:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UKmY9L014282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKm0Xi015635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UKlwSC083494; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UKlqnJ083339 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 63332 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 20:47:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ISqgTEi2lXWY2ueQdVCyWDG/W7YaHA+eb5458MQDZ1RFjXsA/Vsl6hTgm6iyDD1s5Az2tVo2VTK+KaVYSho43leS1ZvMbE5AuJ+Rm/oIIE48tcHIVCz62DHfEhUzidt2GoazL+0MyzXT/QTlcdkV6jN/05V7NIZUAUQhycdZIQo= ; Message-ID: <20060630204747.63330.qmail@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.75.18.91] by web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:47:47 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Done, Done, Done To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060630.133453.-1384055.0.penhalion@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A58E22.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks, he got it this afternoon and called to tell me that the leg bands are too tight and he can't get them pulled up properly. After some discussion about where the problems might be, we ended up with him undoing a bit of the inseam where the leg band attaches to the body. Hopefully he won't be squatting or doing anything too stressful on that seam or else it could be a bit embarrassing. I'm also not happy with the neck ruff - oh well, there are many things I'm not happy with, but it's too late now. Anywhoo - input is gratefully accepted. --- Karen R Bergquist wrote: > I'm a member of St. George at Bristol and I know > your son. I'll let you > know how it goes this weekend. Cross your fingers > that we don't get > drowned by the predicted storms! > > > Karen > Seamstrix > > > On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:41:53 -0700 (PDT) REBECCA > BURCH > writes: > > Well, it's done!!! Shipped and out of my control. > > > I'm not happy with all of it, but it is the best I > > could do for the moment. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 17:46:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5ULkZ8M007150 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:46:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5ULkUeZ029452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:46:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UIsPp1099972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UIs9eP082649; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (m15.nyc.untd.com [64.136.22.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UIs5sx082527 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from m15.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m15.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCLL629AKGTHPS for (sender ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by m15.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LT5TMS3U; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:52:47 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:34:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Done, Done, Done Message-ID: <20060630.133453.-1384055.0.penhalion@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-8,10-53 From: Karen R Bergquist X-ContentStamp: 20:10:3643961026 X-MAIL-INFO: 115ef797f7abdadbabda9a3ada9a23e3bffbba4a3b3ffbbba7c33b07bb4f7e9bbbbe2acf5e0b5eafde9aaada5e3a X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7xv0K4EH+ac/vyHgtVrj302PvrQZX+H+rA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m15.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:46:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A59BB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm a member of St. George at Bristol and I know your son. I'll let you know how it goes this weekend. Cross your fingers that we don't get drowned by the predicted storms! Karen Seamstrix On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:41:53 -0700 (PDT) REBECCA BURCH writes: > Well, it's done!!! Shipped and out of my control. > I'm not happy with all of it, but it is the best I > could do for the moment. > > I've learned a lot and the next one will be better. I > can't recommend the Margo Anderson pattern, although > others seem to think it is wonderful! It could be > that I just didn't have the right mindset. About the > third time I took things apart I began to understand > what was supposed to happen - but I don't think it was > marked well enough and assumed a lot of Elizabethan > clothing construction knowledge. Plus I'm not really > happy with the scale. When I got the chemise all > together and on a hanger I realized that the sleeves > are waaaaay too long and the body is too wide across > the shoulders. (My only excuse is that it was 3am and > I was making the push to get it shipped on time. > Otherwise I'm sure I would have noticed earlier) > > It didn't help that I haven't seen Ansel since > Christmas and couldn't have him try things on. I'm > anxious to hear how it fits. I am taking the sewing > machine and leftover fabric with me when we go to > Wisconsin at the end of July. So if it doesn't fit > too well he will only have to wear it a couple of > weeks before I can fix it. This coming weekend is > dress rehearsal and the Faire opens on July 8. We > will be up there July 21-28. > > So if anybody is at the Bristol Faire and sees Capt. > Frobisher, please let me know what you think. Be > honest - I can take it. > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 30 18:58:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UMwC0j010655 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:58:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5UMw7Ik022713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:58:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UMvLsK033032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UMuxOI081262; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:56:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51305.mail.yahoo.com (web51305.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UMusbp081145 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:56:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 97682 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 22:56:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=obpo701vOzoigQNho+bnDtqNzlKZFS8rrxfus+IBzEVzu5yvaP0cGSLLkoKMdIysrEPg5xh0S5IGsmFf94XT+c2zjyPkcQsr6QtdY1w/zKOL08lLGj++DCljepHsXuViH/9d75PuMyqVI4niN8HK/2f5j6khvATsxJyOQjZ05c4= ; Message-ID: <20060630225648.97680.qmail@web51305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.148.45.249] by web51305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:56:48 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:56:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060630091633.0264f900@mail.frys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:58:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A5AC7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Caffeine has a pH of 6.9. While that's technically an acid, it's awfully close to neutral pH. Caffeine is, in addition, WHITE. Its presense or absense has nothing to do with the dyeing properties of tea or coffee or walnut hulls, for that matter. The tannins are tan to brown, acidic, and the coloring agents in tea and coffee. Ann in CT --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > > >I don't think the caffeine has anything to do with > the tannin. > > I heard that caffeine was the acidic part of coffee > or tea, as tannin is with walnut husks. > > CarolynKayta Barrows __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 00:27:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k614Qxsl022779 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k614Qq3M008997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:26:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k614PjQA068514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k614PIv1074614; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from quokka.dot.net.au (quokka.dot.net.au [202.147.68.16]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k614PCnn074516 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from schoenb@grapevine.net.au) Received: from [203.129.45.110] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by quokka.dot.net.au with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FwX2X-0004sb-00 for ; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 14:25:05 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2c486522d3db2748dbda4b47b2013612@grapevine.net.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Beth Schoenberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:27:17 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 00:26:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A5F98C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Whoa-ho!! Wow!! What kind of hat do you wear with this? Or is it for "indoor" sorts of events? I know there was a short-term fashion for very very small tricorne hats perched on larger wigs -- does this style of wig fall into that fashion period? What do you use to wrap the "tail" at the back? Black silk? In the illustration, the wrap looks almost like leather, but I would think that even thin leather would be heavy and awkward. Good luck and have fun! BTW, regarding the lovely yellow silk dress you posted recently --- the lace-maker in me just HAS to ask: was there enough left over of the lovely cotton lace to improvise a cap and lappets for the lady? Not that you yourself had time for it, mind you, as I well know. She looks lovely in the dress. But lace-makers just have to find ways to add more lace whenever we can! Beth Schoenberg --- in lovely, nasty-raw-cold Kambah, Canberra (Australia) On 01/07/2006, at 5:14 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > I have looked in all my books for a picture of a nice wig i want. I > finally desided to this one, from Galleries des Modes et Costumes > Francaises. Its a 1780 ies wig, and i think it will be good to my > suits. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm > What do you think? > Thanks > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 02:11:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k616BfIH030562 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:11:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k616BWXD001585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k616Aiud079941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:10:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k616AfqX032182; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k616AabD032112 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 00:10:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A08EE1402B4; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 06:05:02 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:11:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c69cd5$225a7b00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44A57D22.80905@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Berkeley, CA? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:36 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics Thanks to Melanie and everyone. I suppose it's time to try it. After I do my next two loads of stuff I'm dyeing for the first time, I'll start experimenting with softening some of the overly bright warm colors I did. (My husband keeps saying he wants to have "fun" with the dye jobs and considering some of his ideas, I have to keep telling him he's only allowed to have "safe fun.") I have, BTW, occasionally dyed white cotton lace by making coffee too strong to drink and soaking the lace in it in a bowl till it was about the right color. However, this was for things that won't be washed a lot. Tea produces a pinker brown than coffee, and I don't like that color as much. Quilters can get away with using it a lot because quilts don't usually get washed often. BTW, I went to the dentist in Berkeley a couple days ago, and the big Discount Fabrics there is having a moving sale. Signs all over. I didn't have time to go in, but I have to go back on Monday and maybe I can make it then. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. > > > Then adding dye rather than dye remover is what you want. > >> Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be >> good? > > > I would say try it. If it doesn't do enough, do it again with more. > 10% > is a very safe amount--I definitely don't think it would be too much. > > Good luck, > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume