From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 04:27:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618RcFX000445 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k618RX19018917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618P5xN094232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618OhT5064209; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618Od2f064097 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5591.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.145]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id BD07B8A0037 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:24:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006301c69ce7$d470d2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44A59384.3090901@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:24:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A631F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Melanie, Many thanks. I have 2 other wigs wich i use for earlyer style, i always take care of them, and make them ready when i go to something. Usually i have some stuffed sausages, wich i keep in the rolls when not using them. Most difficult thing is that i always have to travel far to get to events, and its a problem to carry all the things. For this wig wich i am ordering from Derek Easton, i will be very carefull, and i think i am going to buy myself a special box to travel with it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> Hi, >> I have looked in all my books for a picture of a nice wig i want. I >> finally desided to this one, from Galleries des Modes et Costumes >> Francaises. Its a 1780 ies wig, and i think it will be good to my suits. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm >> What do you think? > > Very stylish, but would it be difficult to maintain the perfection of > those rolls? (Wigs for the theatre tend to need a lot of maintenance, but > then I'm sure you would take better care of yours than most actors do!) I > think it would be very handsome on you. > > Melanie > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 04:28:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618SAE0000560 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:28:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k618S5Fo006898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 04:28:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618Q4rL094437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618Q2bP066230; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618PwfN066136 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5591.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.145]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 26B72A50032 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006601c69ce8$02967b80$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <2c486522d3db2748dbda4b47b2013612@grapevine.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:26:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 04:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A63215.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry i forgot, i will wrap the cadogan (tail) with a real silk ribbon, i have a place where i can buy real silk ribbons. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Schoenberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig > Whoa-ho!! Wow!! > > What kind of hat do you wear with this? Or is it for "indoor" sorts of > events? I know there was a short-term fashion for very very small > tricorne hats perched on larger wigs -- does this style of wig fall into > that fashion period? > > What do you use to wrap the "tail" at the back? Black silk? In the > illustration, the wrap looks almost like leather, but I would think that > even thin leather would be heavy and awkward. > > Good luck and have fun! > > BTW, regarding the lovely yellow silk dress you posted recently --- the > lace-maker in me just HAS to ask: was there enough left over of the > lovely cotton lace to improvise a cap and lappets for the lady? Not that > you yourself had time for it, mind you, as I well know. She looks lovely > in the dress. But lace-makers just have to find ways to add more lace > whenever we can! > > Beth Schoenberg > --- in lovely, nasty-raw-cold Kambah, Canberra (Australia) > > > > On 01/07/2006, at 5:14 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have looked in all my books for a picture of a nice wig i want. I >> finally desided to this one, from Galleries des Modes et Costumes >> Francaises. Its a 1780 ies wig, and i think it will be good to my suits. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm >> What do you think? >> Thanks >> >> Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 07:32:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61BWiBc006487 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:32:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k61BWdW1008366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:32:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61BV0ZS019222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61BUtYK023961; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:30:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61BUpJD023843 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 05:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.3.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.3] helo=faucet.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FwdgW-0001ur-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:30:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44A66AA4.3000301@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:29:24 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig References: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44A59384.3090901@faucet.net> <006301c69ce7$d470d2a0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 07:32:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A65D57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > Most difficult thing is that i always have to travel far to get to > events, and its a problem to carry all the things. Ah, the bane of the reenactor: the proliferation of luggage! It's not so bad when I drive somewhere, but to fly with all the gear can be challenging. I recently did a series of three workshops at a convention far away, each of which required an outfit from a different century (14th, 16th, 19th). I made sure it was in our agreement that they would pay the charges for extra luggage on the plane! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 08:49:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61Cmw65008873 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k61CmrCI025419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:48:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61Cm26S026700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61ClxQW028666; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k618KUa2058110 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 02:20:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f5591.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.145]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 33CE0FAC026 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:20:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005401c69ce7$37cf9fd0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c69c79$6fa72a40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <2c486522d3db2748dbda4b47b2013612@grapevine.net.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:20:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A66F35.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Beth, I have a felt blank that i want to make a small tricorned hat off. I am a little uncertain what i should trim it with, it needs to get a trim of some sort in the edge, also to cover the black hat wire i am going to sew to the edge, so that it will keep its shape. We have events at the gustavians, where we are outside in the garden, and inside. Every time we go outside, we use our hats, off cause, and takes the hat off inside. In many cases the hat was not used on the head, but only carried under the arm, i know it sounds rediculous, but it is a fact. I know it would have ben lovely with a little cap and lappets, but i did not have enough to make it, only the small neck frill. I do have leftovers of the wider lace that i used for the sleaves, but i guess it would be two wide for a cap. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Schoenberg" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wig > Whoa-ho!! Wow!! > > What kind of hat do you wear with this? Or is it for "indoor" sorts of > events? I know there was a short-term fashion for very very small > tricorne hats perched on larger wigs -- does this style of wig fall into > that fashion period? > > What do you use to wrap the "tail" at the back? Black silk? In the > illustration, the wrap looks almost like leather, but I would think that > even thin leather would be heavy and awkward. > > Good luck and have fun! > > BTW, regarding the lovely yellow silk dress you posted recently --- the > lace-maker in me just HAS to ask: was there enough left over of the > lovely cotton lace to improvise a cap and lappets for the lady? Not that > you yourself had time for it, mind you, as I well know. She looks lovely > in the dress. But lace-makers just have to find ways to add more lace > whenever we can! > > Beth Schoenberg > --- in lovely, nasty-raw-cold Kambah, Canberra (Australia) > > > > On 01/07/2006, at 5:14 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have looked in all my books for a picture of a nice wig i want. I >> finally desided to this one, from Galleries des Modes et Costumes >> Francaises. 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Status: RO Yes. Fran Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Berkeley, CA? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:36 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics > > > Thanks to Melanie and everyone. I suppose it's time to try it. After I > do my next two loads of stuff I'm dyeing for the first time, I'll start > experimenting with softening some of the overly bright warm colors I did. > > (My husband keeps saying he wants to have "fun" with the dye jobs and > considering some of his ideas, I have to keep telling him he's only > allowed to have "safe fun.") > > I have, BTW, occasionally dyed white cotton lace by making coffee too > strong to drink and soaking the lace in it in a bowl till it was about > the right color. However, this was for things that won't be washed a > lot. Tea produces a pinker brown than coffee, and I don't like that > color as much. Quilters can get away with using it a lot because quilts > don't usually get washed often. > > BTW, I went to the dentist in Berkeley a couple days ago, and the big > Discount Fabrics there is having a moving sale. Signs all over. I > didn't have time to go in, but I have to go back on Monday and maybe I > can make it then. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Melanie Schuessler wrote: > >>Lavolta Press wrote: >> >> >>>I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. >> >> >>Then adding dye rather than dye remover is what you want. >> >> >>>Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be >>>good? >> >> >>I would say try it. If it doesn't do enough, do it again with more. >>10% >>is a very safe amount--I definitely don't think it would be too much. >> >>Good luck, >>Melanie >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 17:42:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61Lg2Xr029627 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k61LfuPn027008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61Lf6uN086462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61LegFv000483; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61LedhT000425 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:40:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 260883B640 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:40:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44A6EBE9.7010506@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:40:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] First Ladies Exhibits in Kansas City X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:42:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A6EC24.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've just heard about this exhibit on the radio. It's a travelling display from the Smithsonian, and it will be in Kansas City through the end of August: http://www.sites.si.edu/exhibitions/exhibits/ladies/main.htm It's supposed to have clothing and jewelry, among the other items. Also on exibit in town is a display about Missouri First Ladies, again including clothing: http://www.unionstation.org/exhibitDetail.cfm?listingID=197 If you're in the midwest this summer, come down and check it out. 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Status: RO Thank you. :-) Arlys On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:35:34 -0600 Elizabeth Lear writes: > Sorry - I've removed them from the mailing list. > > This is the first time we've had such a blatant "subscribe so I can > spam the list"; usually the requirement to confirm a subscription is > enough to discourage those who don't really want to participate. I > hope we will not have to add the kind of hoops you need to jump > through for Yahoo groups and the like, but I will be keeping my eyes > open for abuse like this in the future. > > ...eliz, list admin > > -- > Children are made up of genetics, blind luck, and the stories you > tell them. > - The Flying Ks > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 19:41:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61NfLPr003536 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:41:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k61NfFuo008114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:41:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61NeVMC000656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61NeQsg056755; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:0/wzMnIq37r4pur+pcFSi1dNn4h+5wmE@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k61NeMql056724 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.208] (206-124-5-208.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.208]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k61NZRa30506 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:35:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> References: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8a971566edde062066541cb238cbf0d1@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:36:16 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:41:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A7081B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think I posed this question before but got no response. Jo-Anns sells a fabric called satin taffeta. I know that both satin and taffetas are separate weaves, so what the H*** is satin taffeta? Sylrog On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:16 AM, Kim Baird wrote: > Taffeta is a ribbed fabric. That is, there are many more threads in one > direction than in the other. If you have twice as many filling threads > as > you have warp threads, the filling threads pretty much cover the warp, > and > make little ridges called ribs. > > Crepe de Chine, shantung, poplin and faille are some other ribbed > fabrics. > > Taffeta is also made from filament yarn. This can be silk or nylon or > polyester or even rayon--anything that is extruded as one long > filament. It > can't be wool or cotton or linen, since those are not long filaments. > > Iridescent taffeta has warp and filling yarns of different colors. > Moire > taffeta has a water-marked, embossed design. > > A good magnifying glass cvan help you see the weave better, to > identify a > taffeta from a broadcloth or a satin weave. > > Kim > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:01 AM > To: Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta > > What is it that "defines" taffeta? > > I just snatched the *most* gorgeous piece of what I'd call taffeta > (it's > heavy and it *sounds* like taffeta) at Hancocks for $3.00/yard (WoHoo) > with > 40% cupon. It's pink on one side and lavendar on the other (not shot, > though). > > And it's *natural* cotton/linen/rayon blend. > > Happy Dance! > > and it's *mine* :-D > > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 20:26:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k620Qr8M005253 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:26:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k620QlcG024488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:26:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k620LCKB004420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k620L3iY075565; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50202.mail.yahoo.com (web50202.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k620L13H075500 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmhr3@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21954 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2006 00:20:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OeBIMwLEl0JRcKnnQZElW3adJtLylvczNEYZyXNI/BVZO5j4JmBTFvn4UksS859qWObjbfRE+JsvrPHKQzmIw4MtGoH3YElC/q08Hc34PHMA/v0tCMFv6ROTsJ6qNtZ5vsWK4+96Y+bIO226nSaOBwIBAOXE8UkDru5AZqXF1jA= ; Message-ID: <20060702002055.21952.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.28.9.213] by web50202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 17:20:55 PDT Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "jmhr3@yahoo.com" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Judging costume contest? Help! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:26:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A712C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Our local Habitat for Humanity affiliate is having a theme party fundraiser, 20s/30s era, and is planning a costume contest. The tickets are sold to the general public and fancy dress is optional, so pretty much anything goes. We need help with the logistics of it. Should guests have to "sign up" for the contest, should we just choose someone from the crowd and announce it, how should we handle it? We really need to make it fun and so that no one's hurt or embarrassed. (These are guests who are donating $ and playing games, not a serious special interest group.) Has anyone ever been involved in something like this? Any ideas or suggestions are most welcome, thanks! Melissa --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! 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Status: RO What I've seen that works well for the public is to have someone announce that the contest is about to begin and that anyone interested should come up to stage. You can either have appointed judges or do the winner(s) by crowd applause. If you're worried about hurting someones feelings you can always have some sort of side prize such as most imaginative. Hope this helps. Tania -----Original Message----- From: jmhr3@yahoo.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [h-cost] Judging costume contest? Help! Our local Habitat for Humanity affiliate is having a theme party fundraiser, 20s/30s era, and is planning a costume contest. The tickets are sold to the general public and fancy dress is optional, so pretty much anything goes. We need help with the logistics of it. Should guests have to "sign up" for the contest, should we just choose someone from the crowd and announce it, how should we handle it? We really need to make it fun and so that no one's hurt or embarrassed. (These are guests who are donating $ and playing games, not a serious special interest group.) Has anyone ever been involved in something like this? Any ideas or suggestions are most welcome, thanks! Melissa --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 21:11:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621BChO007748 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:11:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k621B6lD026793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:11:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621AOOL009553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621AJTe098797; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621AGEV098779 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:10:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so173198nfc for ; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:10:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ADYuWbjrXSLEx5/RwduFkWYoTSMA5ebqA9vS2TL5UihzVwO3avvKK6GJdl2ZV7Cqga0EPNlyEQZRU3LnZILhqG2VT2lhgxZvUEhOtPNl1T1twNP59UficHRdxT2S7RG7ygN+1bzMxxoc+6hxKQ/WRGJPgYgm48K2kBEjFKN6weo= Received: by 10.48.254.3 with SMTP id b3mr1309204nfi; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.5 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0607011810g5dc60a59tdb335ac4ffb26847@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:10:16 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics In-Reply-To: <44A69D04.20609@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001d01c69cd5$225a7b00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <44A69D04.20609@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:11:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A71D2A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I dropped by the Discount Fabrics in Berkeley on San Pablo and Ashby; they knew nothing about any of the Discount Fabrics moving anywhere, especially not them. Fran, which store did you go to? Do you have an address? LynnD On 7/1/06, Lavolta Press wrote: > > Yes. > > Fran > > Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > > > Berkeley, CA? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:36 PM > > To: Historical Costume > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Overdyeing with tan--Thanks--also discount fabrics > > > > > > Thanks to Melanie and everyone. I suppose it's time to try it. After I > > do my next two loads of stuff I'm dyeing for the first time, I'll start > > experimenting with softening some of the overly bright warm colors I > did. > > > > (My husband keeps saying he wants to have "fun" with the dye jobs and > > considering some of his ideas, I have to keep telling him he's only > > allowed to have "safe fun.") > > > > I have, BTW, occasionally dyed white cotton lace by making coffee too > > strong to drink and soaking the lace in it in a bowl till it was about > > the right color. However, this was for things that won't be washed a > > lot. Tea produces a pinker brown than coffee, and I don't like that > > color as much. Quilters can get away with using it a lot because quilts > > don't usually get washed often. > > > > BTW, I went to the dentist in Berkeley a couple days ago, and the big > > Discount Fabrics there is having a moving sale. Signs all over. I > > didn't have time to go in, but I have to go back on Monday and maybe I > > can make it then. > > > > Fran > > Lavolta Press > > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > > > > > Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > > >>Lavolta Press wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I'd prefer these colors darker rather than lighter. > >> > >> > >>Then adding dye rather than dye remover is what you want. > >> > >> > >>>Do you think for an ecru overdye 10% of our usual amount would be > >>>good? > >> > >> > >>I would say try it. If it doesn't do enough, do it again with more. > >>10% > >>is a very safe amount--I definitely don't think it would be too much. > >> > >>Good luck, > >>Melanie > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>h-costume mailing list > >>h-costume@mail.indra.com > >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 21:28:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621SBcc008322 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:28:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k621S37j010735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:28:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621RV9N011728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621RUYj007717; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621RQvx007654 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.432.3a51829 (30740) for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <432.3a51829.31d87af5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:27:17 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Judging costume contest? 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/1/2006 8:38:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, taniampembro ke@aol.com writes: If you're worried about hurting someones feelings you can always have some sort of side prize such as most imaginative This is my suggestion, too--most creative, most colorful, most original, best couple, etc. Sometimes I've had to wait to see what showed up to decide on appropriate categories. Certificates for these sorts of prizes cost almost nothing. And also to either have them come up to the stage or parade around the room, if appropriate. As to judging, audience judging can tend to be more based on popularity than best costume. At a recent event I attended, the organizers had the hired wait staff be the judges. They were certainly impartial. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 21:34:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621Y28U008520 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:34:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k621XvAN012184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:34:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621XPci012352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621XOoE010724; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:33:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621XLbK010662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fwqpp-0001j1-Ln; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:33:17 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:33:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20060701213317.6ev7gtldmsgk0c44@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:33:17 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta References: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> <8a971566edde062066541cb238cbf0d1@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <8a971566edde062066541cb238cbf0d1@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:34:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A72285.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sylvia Rognstad : > I think I posed this question before but got no response. Jo-Anns > sells a fabric called satin taffeta. I know that both satin and > taffetas are separate weaves, so what the H*** is satin taffeta? Well, I suppose if "linen" can be 100% polyester ..... :-( susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 1 21:51:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621pZoW009378 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:51:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k621pUgI006427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:51:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621ovCA013993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621ouEP019249; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k621orls019187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fwr6n-0003Ns-M4; Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:50:49 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <20060701215049.4hq9v6mq880wkoc8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:50:49 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric question -- taffeta References: <00e301c69b8f$17b7ade0$6501a8c0@anteckim> <8a971566edde062066541cb238cbf0d1@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <8a971566edde062066541cb238cbf0d1@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:51:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A726A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > What is it that "defines" taffeta? > > I just snatched the *most* gorgeous piece of what I'd call taffeta > (it's heavy and it *sounds* like taffeta) at Hancocks for $3.00/yard > (WoHoo) with 40% cupon. It's pink on one side and lavendar on the > other (not shot, though). Well, I took a picture of the fabric. http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Garb/P7010076.JPG You can see both sides of the fabric in the picture. The blue/lavender really isn't "true color" but those of you who photograph know that blue is notoriously difficult to photograph. Anyway ... You can see the white warp and the pink and lavendar weft threads. It's "shot" only in the sense that you can see the opposite side of the fabric through the "holes" in the weave. (I hope that makes sense! Thanks! It really doesn't matter what kind of fabric it is, I'm just curious. Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 05:21:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k629KwaA002320 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:20:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k629KrQZ016703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 05:20:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k629JhkY063790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 03:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k629Ii5v068435; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 03:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k629Iea8068410 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 03:18:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE2224C3031C; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:13:06 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Judging costume contest? Help! Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:18:38 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c69db8$80fe4a90$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060702002055.21952.qmail@web50202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO You could have multiple small awards--for best shoes, best hat, etc. both male and female and an overall best look for the final. If it is a small group, have one for each, silly is fine. For bigger group, do multiple, maybe 5 or 10. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of jmhr3@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 5:21 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Judging costume contest? Help! Our local Habitat for Humanity affiliate is having a theme party fundraiser, 20s/30s era, and is planning a costume contest. The tickets are sold to the general public and fancy dress is optional, so pretty much anything goes. We need help with the logistics of it. Should guests have to "sign up" for the contest, should we just choose someone from the crowd and announce it, how should we handle it? We really need to make it fun and so that no one's hurt or embarrassed. (These are guests who are donating $ and playing games, not a serious special interest group.) Has anyone ever been involved in something like this? Any ideas or suggestions are most welcome, thanks! Melissa --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 08:26:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62CQPtb013704 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:26:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62CQKgD029571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:26:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62CPFT1083534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:25:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62CPBhf075538; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62CP8Ne075480 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:25:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.177]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CD8D2A50032 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:25:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001d01c69dd2$93f9ea40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:25:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A7BB6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a nice coffe and a big cake :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 10:28:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62ESguc017348 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:28:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62ESbHf026777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:28:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62EMkcr099582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62EMfcJ046446; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:22:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62DEW1E004952 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 07:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SCLARK935@AUSTIN.RR.COM) Received: from hewlettt06rp0e (cpe-24-28-66-58.austin.res.rr.com [24.28.66.58]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k62DEVWW000394 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:14:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00ad01c69dd9$b980d510$3a421c18@hewlettt06rp0e> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c69dd2$93f9ea40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:16:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:28:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A7D815.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OMG, Bjarne, as always, simply spectacular! Your work continues to amaze. I wish I could commission you to make something for my husband; I've been showing him the pictures of your work and he usually starts to drool :) Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat >I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. > Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a > nice coffe and a big cake :-) > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 11:00:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62F0MFX018333 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:00:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62F0G2m011831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:00:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62Exb0a002861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:59:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62ExDif068063; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62Ex9LH067994 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=FRtPo16seCe2TYFgD65/j//reaQTtAXQyJES0aTTj+RB3ClHfOXTvLBIMeRhjJrA; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Fx3Pg-0005u1-OV for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:59:08 -0400 Received: from 24.34.92.142 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:59:08 -0400 Message-ID: <20492357.1151852348727.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:59:08 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Judging costume contest? Help! 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Status: RO Tania wrote: >What I've seen that works well for the public is to have someone >announce that the contest is about to begin and that anyone interested >should come up to stage. You can either have appointed judges or do >the winner(s) by crowd applause. If you're worried about hurting >someones feelings you can always have some sort of side prize such >as most imaginative. Hope this helps. I like this, because it requires people to step forward if they DO want to compete. Since this is a _competition_, their stepping forward means (hopefully) that they are prepared for the possibility that they might not be chosen as the winner -- which minimizes possible hurt feelings. I'd also suggest that having some small "token" for everyone who enters would be very nice -- something as small as a pretty bar of soap or a fresh rose. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 11:15:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62FFQVK018766 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:15:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62FFKWC004442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:15:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62FETo1004364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62FEKMU077005; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:14:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k62FEEO9076902 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 57882 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jul 2006 15:14:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wrr5Fes5QG8w/iRtxJp11yMrGh12ucBKSrxOMgqqnaGNCo8CvTR9Pvv9tgkgETuq/evBOhAe5lHbAq0yP3msTvJ6idQyvYhDWg8hw/e7jHIT5v8di1hYMwR+iY3k6pqG1Y7GrSOesfIPe06enDRhWqVNq58TX479DK+/BG3yClM= ; Message-ID: <20060702151408.57880.qmail@web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25709.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:14:08 GMT Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:14:08 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607021500.k62ExH7x068089@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A7E308.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. > Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a > nice coffe and a big cake :-) > Bjarne > Dear Bjarne Bravo! That looks beautiful and will be stunning in candlelight - I can almost see you shimmering over dinner with your elegant new wig too :-) Have a wonderful time in Tivoli: I've been to Copenhagen three times now, mainly to visit the Frilandsmuseet but Tivoli is just so magical - the light over the lake from the chinese lanterns in the evening as the sun sets.... Sigh! Enjoy your well earned cake, Katherine the admiring p.s. I meant to say how fabulous the yellow dress and stays were: I am inspired and will do something similar after my current projects are under control ... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 12:09:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62G9iqP020502 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:09:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62G9dNF029257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:09:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62G8v0F010057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62G8m7K008314; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62G8jXg008280 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:08:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm25.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8059840739 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:08:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060702090844.C984336C@resin06.mta.everyone.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:08:44 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREp++MhTel9AEAAAAB,1da9d255712b4d196e069b14d20c9b5f X-Originating-Ip: [205.188.117.9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:09:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44A7EFC3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am still in awe of your talent! That is so beautiful. I don't know how you could possibly think anything else would have been as terrific. Thanks so much for sharing and inspiring!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- drewscph@post12.tele.dk wrote: From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Cc: Subject: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:25:17 +0200 I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a nice coffe and a big cake :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. 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Status: RO Stunning!!! I love your work! Have fun celebrating your accomplishment. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. > Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > > I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a nice > coffe and a big cake :-) > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 14:11:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62IBDXw024076 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:11:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62IB82n025803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:11:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62I9x2H022831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62I9R2u074345; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62I9NNc074295 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w49so1425727pyg for ; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=U90Pn5f1uWQ5q7qMVWnyjbYcwRgGAmdTq9UGMXKWezq5ec/gj86ryX06hE1xXym4vYXJ4vAwqabPMXecxjh6+sM4e8lGnWkJoTL2gckq3Y30S0mzWryuUQK0d8vik/7dPrZqzyW16Tw/S3W3IukEdAX77QOFYDrU3oUPY3a53Wg= Received: by 10.35.90.20 with SMTP id s20mr304832pyl; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:09:19 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:11:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A80C3C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. >Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm >I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a nice coffe and a big cake :-) Bjarne, Would that I had a tricorne. If I did, I would take my hat off to you, sir! The vest is a spectacular design. I'm glad you flattened the flowers. It's a better look and will be easier to wear. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 14:54:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62IrxU6025754 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:53:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62IrsWX013791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:53:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62IquPM027338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:52:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62IqchR097968; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62IqZmg097949 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f55b1.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.177]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4117CA5008A for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:52:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <003001c69e08$b57f65b0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:52:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:53:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A81642.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Cyn, Yes i am glad i got the good advises from all of you. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat > >I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. >>Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > >>I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a >>nice > coffe and a big cake :-) > > Bjarne, > Would that I had a tricorne. If I did, I would take my hat off to > you, sir! The vest is a spectacular design. I'm glad you flattened > the flowers. It's a better look and will be easier to wear. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 15:52:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62JqBpm027611 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:52:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62Jq6YZ031742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62Jp7EU033657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62JomGn027547; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:evC6lIvsrLtDxMQjeyuGKofblMalbTTf@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62JoXbK027374 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.242] (206-124-5-242.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.242]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k62JjYa12510; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:45:35 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2f1b589265d324b09c04376554dc0c68@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:50:43 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Buying a costume business X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:52:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A823E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just heard about an opportunity to buy a costume business and recalled that someone of one of these lists was discussing such a prospect that came up in Denver, CO. I am a costume person, not a business person and know absolutely nothing about such purchases. I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge of costume rental/construction businesses or if anyone here owns/runs one and might be able to give me some insight. All I know so far is that the owner wants 30 grand for 2000 costumes and equipment, I assume. Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 16:00:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62K0ICq027838 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:00:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62K0BJk020030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:00:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62JxVPe034657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62JxTc3032311; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62JxQTP032246 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:59:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.56d.60feb1 (60466) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d48 (mblk-d48.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.232]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM013-ec3244a825933; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:59:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:59:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8C86C2921900EBC-1CFC-8252@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> From: taniampembroke@aol.com References: <2f1b589265d324b09c04376554dc0c68@ntw.net> Received: from 65.10.239.180 by mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:59:15 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <2f1b589265d324b09c04376554dc0c68@ntw.net> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 18681 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.232 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:00:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A825CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't know much about the costume business, but in business in general the first thing thing to learn is to never assume. Alway find out 100% and get it in writting. There are a lot of shady people out there. You're going to also want to inspect and document the condition of every costume so that you can reasearch what they're worth. You don't want to end up with one nice costume and 1999 crappy ones. Tania -----Original Message----- From: Sylvia Rognstad To: Historical Costume Cc: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:50:43 -0600 Subject: [h-cost] Buying a costume business I just heard about an opportunity to buy a costume business and recalled that someone of one of these lists was discussing such a prospect that came up in Denver, CO. I am a costume person, not a business person and know absolutely nothing about such purchases. I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge of costume rental/construction businesses or if anyone here owns/runs one and might be able to give me some insight. All I know so far is that the owner wants 30 grand for 2000 costumes and equipment, I assume. Sylvia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 16:34:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62KYmQu029030 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:34:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62KYgTw028852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:34:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62KXQgl040845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:33:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62KWvOx051740; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62KWrI2051708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.95] (209-148-118-95.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k62KWnlH002249 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:32:50 -0700 Message-ID: <44A82D73.1080403@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:32:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business & Costume design book I read References: <2f1b589265d324b09c04376554dc0c68@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <2f1b589265d324b09c04376554dc0c68@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:34:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A82DE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Someone asked me the title of the book I read on film costuming. It's _Costume Design 101_, by Richard LaMotte, a guy with about 30 years of experience in the Hollywood costume business. There is, as I said before, a great deal of information in this book about how the film costuming profession works, and very little about how to design or build costumes. Then again, there are many other books on the latter. This book might help you/Sylvia to see the rental business from the other end--how film companies use costumes and what they want out of a rental business. We've sold a lot of books to costume rental businesses. As far as I can tell, aside from any filming that may be done locally--and in many localities this is probably not very much or very often--they rent to theater companies, professional, semi-professional, and school; and also to individuals for theme weddings, murder mystery parties, Halloween, and any other event anyone might want a costume for. Some of them even stock costumes for people who want them for their sex lives--French maid costumes and so on. Whoever is rented to, I gather there is a lot of loss and damage. I've been told that for every rental you need a standard contract that makes the renter pay in full for all loss and damage, including total replacement if necessary; and you need to be the one who legally evaluates what has gone wrong and how much to charge for it. Frankly I would not advise getting into any business at all until you know a great deal about how that kind of business works. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I just heard about an opportunity to buy a costume business and recalled > that someone of one of these lists was discussing such a prospect that > came up in Denver, CO. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 17:31:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62LV4EX030462 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:31:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62LUwF4013998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:31:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62LUL2r050087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62LSWHW079210; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:XSyS2IUSL36EjwfZ3egMmbqQ5j4z7WXl@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62LSSA0079161 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.242] (206-124-5-242.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.242]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k62LNTa17738; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:23:29 -0600 In-Reply-To: <44A82D73.1080403@lavoltapress.com> References: <2f1b589265d324b09c04376554dc0c68@ntw.net> <44A82D73.1080403@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business & Costume design book I read Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 15:28:16 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Lavolta Press X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A83B12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the info. I really need to know how this woman's business works and aside from just discussing it with her, don't know where else to go. I don't need any info on design or construction. I guess I just need to know if it looks like this can be a profitable business and I dont know where to find that out. Do you think the book you mentioned would help? I know this business doesnt rent to film companies. It sounds like she does some small theatre productions, lots of Halloween, Renaissance, weddings--the full gamut. The one thing that is making it intriguing is that it is in a beautifully scenic location, but that could be a drawback too because of the small town nature of the place. Apparently she has done very well in the business over the years. Is there any way to find out what her profits have been? Can I see her tax records? You can see I'm very green about business matters. On Jul 2, 2006, at 2:32 PM, Lavolta Press wrote: > Someone asked me the title of the book I read on film costuming. It's > _Costume Design 101_, by Richard LaMotte, a guy with about 30 years of > experience in the Hollywood costume business. There is, as I said > before, a great deal of information in this book about how the film > costuming profession works, and very little about how to design or > build costumes. Then again, there are many other books on the latter. > > This book might help you/Sylvia to see the rental business from the > other end--how film companies use costumes and what they want out of a > rental business. > > We've sold a lot of books to costume rental businesses. As far as I > can tell, aside from any filming that may be done locally--and in many > localities this is probably not very much or very often--they rent to > theater companies, professional, semi-professional, and school; and > also to individuals for theme weddings, murder mystery parties, > Halloween, and any other event anyone might want a costume for. Some > of them even stock costumes for people who want them for their sex > lives--French maid costumes and so on. > > Whoever is rented to, I gather there is a lot of loss and damage. > I've been told that for every rental you need a standard contract that > makes the renter pay in full for all loss and damage, including total > replacement if necessary; and you need to be the one who legally > evaluates what has gone wrong and how much to charge for it. > > Frankly I would not advise getting into any business at all until you > know a great deal about how that kind of business works. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: >> I just heard about an opportunity to buy a costume business and >> recalled that someone of one of these lists was discussing such a >> prospect that came up in Denver, CO. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 18:50:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62Moqxv032659 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:50:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62Mok46031642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:50:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62Mo0wN059009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:50:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62MndXK019001; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.dns2go.com (mail.dns2go.com [63.149.6.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62MnZx1018927 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathleen.hanrahan@homenode.us) Received: from localhost ([172.16.0.187]) by mail.dns2go.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v8.0.3.0) with SMTP id HTM38187; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:49:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:49:13 -0400 From: "Kathleen Hanrahan" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business Message-ID: <7461945e9eea33fc682c5343322f0de8@homenode.us> X-Mailer: VisNetic WebMail 8.0.3 X-Originating-IP: 166.172.164.141 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.40 required=5.00 tests=BAYES_30,SMILEY version=3.0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0 (1.3) on mail.dns2go.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:50:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A84DC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > All I know so far is that the > owner wants 30 grand for 2000 costumes and equipment, I assume. Make sure of these things! Will you get the rights to the company name? Can you take over her lease/take over her space/store front? Can you get her customer list? Will you be able to take over any of her current contracts (building lease/future contracts - weddings, etc.)? Will she tell you about any competition that she has (the costume rental place in the next town/the tuxedo rental place two streets over/the woman in town who makes all of the costumes for the school plays/...)? Would she introduce you to her customers (so that they think kindly of you)? Also what kind of hours does she put in? Can you put in those same hours (or maybe more while you are starting out!)? You would want a copy of her budget (list of expenses/income). How much are her expenses? You have to be able to make more than that to make a go of it. > Thanks for the info. I really need to know how this woman's business > works and aside from just discussing it with her, don't know where else > to go. If you want information about the costume rental business (generally, as opposed to this woman's business that you wish to purchase), ask business owners in this category (costume rentals) that are not in her area (competition!). Tuxedo rental stores (and bridal shops?) may partially fit this bill. > > Apparently she has done very well in the > business over the years. Is there any way to find out what her profits > have been? Can I see her tax records? Yes, this is the first thing that I would suggest. For ideas on what you should look for (from the business point of view), I'd look at some internet sites: Nolo http://www.nolo.com/ Select Then select from the "Main Topics" There are several articles that seem to give useful information. Also, what about asking her for "referrals" - business/customers that she deals with. Does she pay her rent on time (implies that her business is doing well)? Were you (a customer) satisfied with your rental? Were your problem(s) with the business/business woman solved? Of course, the official answer is always, "Have your lawyer and accountant take a look at whatever you are going to do." ;-) Kathleen a new-to-the-list lurker and a VERY small business (computer-consultant) owner _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 19:03:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N3i2C000568 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:03:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62N3drZ002600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:03:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N2tZb060569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:02:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N2nDZ025163; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:EYIct7qnSKkgMb649ilTb1B2cES81d6u@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N2jmq025144 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.242] (206-124-5-242.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.242]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k62Mvoa22367 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:57:50 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7461945e9eea33fc682c5343322f0de8@homenode.us> References: <7461945e9eea33fc682c5343322f0de8@homenode.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6cf7e8ba8e787d6f863adaff6a0bc288@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:02:59 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:03:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A850CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the info. I have a friend who is an accountant I may be able to ask for help, but do I really need a lawyer? On Jul 2, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Kathleen Hanrahan wrote: > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> All I know so far is that the >> owner wants 30 grand for 2000 costumes and equipment, I assume. > Make sure of these things! Will you get the rights to the company > name? Can you take over her lease/take over her space/store front? > Can you get her customer list? Will you be able to take over any of > her current contracts (building lease/future contracts - weddings, > etc.)? Will she tell you about any competition that she has (the > costume rental place in the next town/the tuxedo rental place two > streets over/the woman in town who makes all of the costumes for the > school plays/...)? Would she introduce you to her customers (so that > they think kindly of you)? Also what kind of hours does she put in? > Can you put in those same hours (or maybe more while you are starting > out!)? > > You would want a copy of her budget (list of expenses/income). How > much are her expenses? You have to be able to make more than that to > make a go of it. > >> Thanks for the info. I really need to know how this woman's business >> works and aside from just discussing it with her, don't know where >> else >> to go. > If you want information about the costume rental business (generally, > as opposed to this woman's business that you wish to purchase), ask > business owners in this category (costume rentals) that are not in her > area (competition!). Tuxedo rental stores (and bridal shops?) may > partially fit this bill. > >> >> Apparently she has done very well in the >> business over the years. Is there any way to find out what her profits >> have been? Can I see her tax records? > Yes, this is the first thing that I would suggest. > > For ideas on what you should look for (from the business point of > view), I'd look at some internet sites: > Nolo > http://www.nolo.com/ > Select > Then select from the "Main Topics" > There are several articles that seem to give useful information. > > Also, what about asking her for "referrals" - business/customers that > she deals with. Does she pay her rent on time (implies that her > business is doing well)? Were you (a customer) satisfied with your > rental? Were your problem(s) with the business/business woman solved? > > Of course, the official answer is always, "Have your lawyer and > accountant take a look at whatever you are going to do." ;-) > > Kathleen > a new-to-the-list lurker and a VERY small business > (computer-consultant) owner > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 19:09:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N92E2000703 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:09:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62N8vH6008578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:09:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N8T5N061089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N8Rr7027709; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62N8OB6027678 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A09A28310318; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 23:02:50 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:08:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c69e2c$6b30fcc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <001d01c69dd2$93f9ea40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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I wish I could see it in person. Hope Tivoli was fun. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 5:25 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat I just finished the left side of the waistcoat with spangels. Took me 2 weeks to make, i promised to update, when finished.............. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm I am now taking a break and goes a trip to Tivoli in Copenhagen, have a nice coffe and a big cake :-) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 19:12:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NCQjC000760 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:12:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62NCLde002556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:12:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NBbVW061399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NBbOb029108; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NBYnv029065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FxB6D-00050p-MY; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:11:33 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:11:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20060702191133.krikgif10koo04kk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:11:33 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business References: <7461945e9eea33fc682c5343322f0de8@homenode.us> <6cf7e8ba8e787d6f863adaff6a0bc288@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <6cf7e8ba8e787d6f863adaff6a0bc288@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:12:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A852D5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sylvia Rognstad : > Thanks for the info. I have a friend who is an accountant I may be > able to ask for help, but do I really need a lawyer? yes. Believe it or not, the lawyer is probably more critical than the accountant! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 19:17:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NHDMt000863 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:17:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62NH7ka006944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:17:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NGVbK061821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NGT4s031289; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:ckCYKWnT64gh4pUTdOpwAWzy/8Qiwv35@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NGQEB031255 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.242] (206-124-5-242.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.242]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k62NBUa23065 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:11:30 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20060702191133.krikgif10koo04kk@www.goldsword.com> References: <7461945e9eea33fc682c5343322f0de8@homenode.us> <6cf7e8ba8e787d6f863adaff6a0bc288@ntw.net> <20060702191133.krikgif10koo04kk@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <63d06439d9de559d110c078db95f05b3@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:16:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:17:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A853F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was afraid someone would say that. With 2 girlfriends who have gone through recent divorces and spent a fortune, I hate to have to deal with lawyers. On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Quoting Sylvia Rognstad : > >> Thanks for the info. I have a friend who is an accountant I may be >> able to ask for help, but do I really need a lawyer? > > yes. Believe it or not, the lawyer is probably more critical than the > accountant! > > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 19:32:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NW9Ok001194 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k62NW4no008787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:32:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NVPYu063480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NVOkh037803; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k62NVK5I037729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:31:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FxBPM-0007Ka-KG; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:31:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:31:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20060702193120.0j846cq6iscg8kg4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:31:20 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business References: <7461945e9eea33fc682c5343322f0de8@homenode.us> <6cf7e8ba8e787d6f863adaff6a0bc288@ntw.net> <20060702191133.krikgif10koo04kk@www.goldsword.com> <63d06439d9de559d110c078db95f05b3@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <63d06439d9de559d110c078db95f05b3@ntw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44A85774.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Sylvia Rognstad : > I was afraid someone would say that. With 2 girlfriends who have > gone through recent divorces and spent a fortune, I hate to have to > deal with lawyers. on the list for Margo's Patterns, they recently had a similar discussion about sewing for people, lawyers and contracts. Having lawyers and contracts won't keep stuff from happening, but it can help keep molehills from developing into Mt. Everest. If you've got the time, you might want to pop over to the list and 1) check the archives and/or ask your question there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MargosPatterns susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 2 20:36:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k630aQ3Y002667 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:36:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k630aLGV026844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k630ZeDs069417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k630Zaf7069035; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mail.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k630ZWlK068972 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.491.46ffe45 (48552) for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <491.46ffe45.31d9c049@aol.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 20:35:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buying a costume business To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:36:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A86685.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/2/2006 7:03:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: I have a friend who is an accountant I may be able to ask for help, but do I really need a lawyer? Do you fill your own teeth, or go to a dentist? Contract equals lawyer--yes indeed! Maybe this is obvious, but I haven't seen it addressed yet--WHY does the owner want to sell? Bruce Williams, who has a syndicated radio show and wrote the book, "In Business for Yourself" (not sure if it is still in print, but I recommend it), would always ask people in a similar situation--are you buying a business, or a hobby? In other words, does it really throw off any money? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 3 02:01:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63615hk015008 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:01:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k63610nP029589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 02:01:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k635xw37007277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k635xr5b074664; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:59:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k635xnDY074555 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 23:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCLTNT8ADEQ68S for (sender ); Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LUB6JELZ; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 22:58:37 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:36:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] finished left side of the waistcoat Message-ID: <20060702.225807.3840.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2181889994 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgq/hl2WdUwRXLCOFbMcYUbM= X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Jul 2006 02:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44A8B29C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Wow, oh wow!!! Stunning, Bjarne! Thanks for sharing--seeing your work is always a treat. :-D Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 3 10:32:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63EWZIM006202 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:32:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k63EWSGq029320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:32:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63EVdOT073427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:31:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63EVGJF014046; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63EVD0F014004 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 08:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.180] (pm5-180.eos.net [205.133.149.180]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k63EVAnF004400 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:31:11 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:17:14 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200607022331.k62NVOM9037808@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: costume business X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:32:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44A92A7D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sylvia: I don't know anything about the costume business, but I am a business owner. The first thing you should do is find out if there is a trade association for costume businesses, and contact them for information about trade practices and business valuation. If there isn't, there must be one for related businesses -- party rentals, or special event rentals. If you buy this business, JOIN THE TRADE ASSOCIATION. Next check with the Small Business Association. Does it have any programs in your area? Ours has an office and there are lots of programs to help you start in business, including one in which retired business owners and managers will talk with you about what you want to do. Finally, get this person's financial data. At the very least she should have end-of-year profit and loss statements. Don't worry if you don't know what those are (when you go into business, though, you should) -- the important thing to know now is if SHE knows what they are. If it is an all-cash business, there's not necessarily anything wrong with that, but there will be no real documentation as to how well she does, and then the value of the business should be much lower. You didn't say whether the space was involved in the sale. If there is no space you can take over the lease for, what are you going to do with thousands of costumes? Good luck -- having a business can be wonderful, but it's a lot of work. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 3 14:24:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63IOouN014655 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:24:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k63IOi3X024466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:24:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63INo2g006182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63INNtv097573; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k63INKAB097510 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id z31so695215nzd for ; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:23:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ssGhOgoRHAG/Edu7xNs/pcWPlESCY44AxdSKKJJyWiK0wBYu6mUsCbRrBywo04f5VXJLXubGCWlqdSj0BhX9I1H7p7omeAROt/xNbckivFuLdAHmZo1hj/VGnPASon6whT+IbdGYzlKteaMZGVlBYJtGNqQ5roZx3nC+x0XzOkA= Received: by 10.36.118.8 with SMTP id q8mr2338492nzc; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 11:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.5 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:23:19 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Buying a costume business MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:24:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A960EC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: [h-cost] Buying a costume business >I just heard about an opportunity to buy a costume business and recalled that >someone of one of these lists was discussing such a prospect that came up in >Denver, CO. I am a costume person, not a business person and know absolutely >nothing about such purchases. I was wondering if anyone has any knowledge of >costume rental/construction businesses or if anyone here owns/runs one and >might be able to give me some insight. All I know so far is that the owner wants >30 grand for 2000 costumes and equipment, I assume. Sylvia, The methodology that is normally used for valuing a business is called Valuation. There are many books on the shelves in the business sections of bookstores and biz-schools. You are looking at a business that combines elements of the service industry and retail industries. The inventory sounds like it's primarily comprised of short term durable goods with a relatively long shelf life. One very readable book is _The Darkside of Valuation_ which takes the reader thru a step by step process of valuing Starbucks. The process is the same, irregardless of the size of the business. Some things you'll do: * You'll evaluate current income & expenses. You look ahead to see where you can expect sudden or seasonal changes in either and map these out. * You evaluate the discounted cash flow the business produces. * You'll find some comparatives in similar business. While this is harder with private businesses, some business brokers do maintain records & certainly keep up with the gossip. * You'll have to estimate future growth (in part this will be based on what you think you can accomplish). Using all of the above you come up with an estimate of the value of this biz. You might even take this valuation with you to the bank to show asset value (and to establish the fact that you did carefully consider the value). This doc will also help if you need the biz itself as collateral for any business loan you may want. (That's much better than offering your house as collateral!) Of the top of my head, I suspect you should get some experience running the storefront and keeping the books of this particular shop to gain some understanding of the business and whether you wish to purchase it. Secondly, you should ask the current owner what method s/he/they used to value the business and evaluation it in against your own work. Next, in an unrelated comment, you might wish to consider an assets-only purchase to reduce business risk from any outstanding warranty, unpaid taxes, loans or debts. If, on the other hand the value of leases and other obligations is better than the current market, then you might want to purchase the whole business. Your best info will come from key reccurring customers and from any major suppliers (perhaps that trucking or shipping company). Make a point of visiting the major creditors such as banking officer, landlord(s) and lienholders. You should probably have the seller introduce you face to face. This should be an overt & aboveboard investigation not some cheesy TV private eye routine. >Apparently she has done very well in the business over the years. Is there any way to find out what her profits have been? Can I see her tax records? You can see I'm very green about business matters. If the business is public (which i sincerely doubt) then the records are public. If it's privately held, then the only legal way to do it is to ask nicely. If she says "no", walk, no run! away from this "opportunity" with all speed. > ...need a lawyer YES! but not til after you do the valuation. I suspect this is either an S-corp or a std corporation. The lawyer will ensure that all the things you purchase end up in your possession. FYI, my MBA is in finance with a valuation emphasis. I'm happy to answer questions. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 4 00:41:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k644f4UT030891 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:41:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k644exSR016139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:41:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k644e4ek077590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k644e10M086566; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:40:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k644dvAx086113 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 22:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with ESMTP id <20060704043916014004h2t0e>; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 04:39:16 +0000 Message-ID: <44A9F01A.7020803@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:35:38 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cotehardie is Finished! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:41:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44A9F15B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you... my first truly successful project! I've been sewing for a while now, but never accomplished something of this scale and completeness. I am very proud of myself and so very grateful for the help that was given, knowingly or unknowingly, on this board and elsewhere. You continue to be an inspiration and a help to me when I need it, so, thanks! You can link directly to a photo of it here: http://www.ryla.net/diaries/images/gfd/standing2.png Or the full, three-page diary here: http://www.ryla.net/diaries/gfd01.html Or my website here: http://www.ryla.net Marie :) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 11:26:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FQiX7001576 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:26:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65FPlw8021318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:26:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FMb1e058009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:22:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FLvKc052878; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:21:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FLn8i052712 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.215.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.215] helo=faucet.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fy9CG-00073s-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:21:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44ABE6BE.5050205@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:20:14 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <001d01c69dd2$93f9ea40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sheared faux fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:26:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44ABD9FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Greetings I'm searching for a source for a faux sheared white fur. When I say sheared, I mean fairly closely sheared--the pile is quite short and flat. I used to be able to get a really good-quality fur of this type from Fabulous Furs, but to my dismay they no longer carry it. I'd like to avoid any of the low-quality teddy-bear fur. I'm willing to pay $60 or so a yard to get a good fur. Any ideas? Thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 11:52:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FqhYg002261 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:52:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65FqaE9009246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:52:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FoGPN064307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65FoDhm082567; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Fo7Ru082267 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB743B640 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:49:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44ABDFA9.30301@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:50:01 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sheared faux fur References: <001d01c69dd2$93f9ea40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44ABE6BE.5050205@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <44ABE6BE.5050205@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:52:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44ABE044.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > Greetings > > I'm searching for a source for a faux sheared white fur. When I say > sheared, I mean fairly closely sheared--the pile is quite short and > flat. I used to be able to get a really good-quality fur of this type > from Fabulous Furs, but to my dismay they no longer carry it. > > I'd like to avoid any of the low-quality teddy-bear fur. I'm willing to > pay $60 or so a yard to get a good fur. I'm not sure how you gauge quality, but Hancocks (the chain) carried a number of "nice" faux furs this spring, including a very soft, short sheepskin looking one that came in pastels and an off-white. I forget how much it was, it was over $20 a yard and I put it into the "when pigs fly" category for potential purchases. The stores in this area made displays of a couple of those shearling jackets that were popular for about a week this spring. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 15:23:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JNM8U008716 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:23:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65JNG8b020964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:23:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JLYuC010207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JLBZs089770; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk (pfepb.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.236]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JL79p089685 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247e5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.229]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 860F0A5006D for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:21:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:21:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:23:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44AC11A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? What is left then? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 15:33:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JXlhH008920 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:33:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65JXfMw024200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:33:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JWrIx012159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JWlI8099654; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:32:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JWhYk099559 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:32:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.81.171] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-81-171.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.81.171]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JWfgs155432 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:32:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060705123032.026688e0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:32:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO >What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, >and when your costumes gets bored to look at? >When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? >What is left then? Wait till the feeling passes and do some more re-enactment later? Get different re-enactment friends? Write historical fiction? Costume for a theatre? Do live action role playing gaming? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 15:38:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jcp5Q009019 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:38:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65JckFM025696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jc7HV013092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jc4MO004189; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jbxds004102 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:38:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247e5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.229]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id AD64D8A0028 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:37:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006401c6a06a$8ee1d460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060705123032.026688e0@mail.frys.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Hi Carolyn You are always full of god soutions, you never stopped replying my mails.' Many thanks. I think i am going to stop now.................. Its over........................... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? > >>What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, >>and when your costumes gets bored to look at? >>When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? >>What is left then? > > Wait till the feeling passes and do some more re-enactment later? Get > different re-enactment friends? Write historical fiction? Costume for a > theatre? Do live action role playing gaming? > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 15:44:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JiR0B009165 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:44:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65JiMDO017551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:44:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jhkfw014115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jhg2g009157; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net (mail1.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JhOEd009007 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k65JhMS9091568 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010d01c6a06b$46a26330$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060705123032.026688e0@mail.frys.com> <006401c6a06a$8ee1d460$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k65JiR0B009165 Status: RO I go through phases where I just can't motivate myself to work on yet another costume. Sometimes, I don't want to bother with all the preparation and time involved in going to a live action roleplay event. That's when I take a break for a month or two, and then I'm ready to go again! I hope things work out for you, Bjarne. I am new to the list, but have loved looking at every picture you put up. You are truely more talented then I will ever be. Natalie I'm an addict, but the only 12 Step program I'm interested in is the twelve steps from here over to that bolt of fabric over there... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? Hi Carolyn You are always full of god soutions, you never stopped replying my mails.' Many thanks. I think i am going to stop now.................. Its over........................... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Kayta Barrows" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? > >>What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, >>and when your costumes gets bored to look at? >>When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? >>What is left then? > > Wait till the feeling passes and do some more re-enactment later? Get > different re-enactment friends? Write historical fiction? Costume for a > theatre? Do live action role playing gaming? > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 15:45:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jj9W2009187 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:45:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65Jj3b0032255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:45:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JiVWK014229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JiSlA009969; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JiOGG009817 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D723B640 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:44:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44AC1696.8040208@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:44:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > What is left then? All my other hobbies. As much as I love sewing, costuming and dressing up, it's not my entire life. Go outside, try something new. Resurrect old hobbies that you used to enjoy. Try out a hobby you've never done before. Go to the beach. It's normal to get tired of an activity after a while and want to do something else. Give yourself the time off. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 15:54:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JsZY0009403 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:54:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65JsUUU004306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:54:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jrd95015657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:53:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Jrbex018144; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk (pfepa.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JrVbi018043 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x50a247e5.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.162.71.229]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DFE9FAC075 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <007601c6a06c$bb8fbf70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44AC1696.8040208@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Many thanks . In my youth i used to be good at telling storiesm perhaps thats an obsion? Thanks for you being there........................... v ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> What is left then? > > All my other hobbies. As much as I love sewing, costuming and dressing > up, it's not my entire life. Go outside, try something new. Resurrect > old hobbies that you used to enjoy. Try out a hobby you've never done > before. Go to the beach. > > It's normal to get tired of an activity after a while and want to do > something else. Give yourself the time off. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 16:16:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KGjpI009964 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:16:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65KGe6s015359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:16:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KG1DB019795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KFx1t037952; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KFpuv037742 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J1Y006FK5LQW8H0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:14:59 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO I just stop for several months, and look around, go visit my family (just got back from a three month trip driving from long island, NY to Dallas, TX, and back again. put on over 7,000 miles on my truck. i stopped all along the way to visit any family that i know about, even one third cousin and several great aunts and uncles). I had not been very interested in sewing or much of anything for several months, but now that i'm back i am itching to get back to it... I am spending today unbarring my sewing area from what i piled up as i was leaving and what my husband littered the room with, and hoping i can get in one small project before the i should cook dinner. ------ Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact > anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 16:31:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KVYxC010453 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:31:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65KVSvH029190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:31:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KUi32022065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KUdTO050895; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KUYbG050809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26497 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FyE19-0008RA-CS for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:30:41 -0500 Message-ID: <02be01c6a071$dcb89230$c200a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44AC1DC3.4030508@optonline.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Take a break! It sounds like the thought of doing more costuming work right now would stress you out; pay attention to that and just ...let it go for a while. You don't have to do it if you don't want to. But do keep up your contacts--the people who've entered your life through costuming don't have to leave it just because of a shift in interests. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 18:06:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65M6toi014195 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:06:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65M6obl010797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65M0JYM040476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:00:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65LxpZl030284; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:59:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Lxki5030147 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.37f.6cbe578 (60469) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM022-ec3544ac3646ef; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:59:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <007601c6a06c$bb8fbf70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <44AC1696.8040208@reddawn.net> <007601c6a06c$bb8fbf70$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <4e56acc5f6fbf4cff4a755ebe92119a7@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k65M6toi014195 Status: RO Bjarne, Telling stories? Like historical stories? Dress up in your fabulous clothes and volunteer to share your talents! Or, just take a break for a while and try something completely different. Best of luck. We all get in a slump sometimes. Good friends help pull us out! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jul 5, 2006, at 3:53 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Many thanks . > In my youth i used to be good at telling storiesm perhaps thats an > obsion? > > Thanks for you being there........................... > > > v ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? > > >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >>> What is left then? >> All my other hobbies. As much as I love sewing, costuming and >> dressing up, it's not my entire life. Go outside, try something new. >> Resurrect old hobbies that you used to enjoy. Try out a hobby you've >> never done before. Go to the beach. >> It's normal to get tired of an activity after a while and want to do >> something else. Give yourself the time off. >> Dawn >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 18:56:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65MuP1V015057 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:56:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65MuHPl028589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:56:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65MtXQZ049263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65MtOLK076285; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bizmail.broadbandsupport.net (bizmail.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.0.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65MtCAm076114 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (mxo3.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.83]) by bizmail.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3108851CA for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo3.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5953357A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200607052159.k65Lxqob030309@net.indra.com> References: <200607052159.k65Lxqob030309@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:29:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean, Found to be clean X-Spam-Status: No, No X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What to do??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:56:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44AC4391.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 3:59 PM -0600 7/5/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, >>and when your costumes gets bored to look at? >>When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > >What is left then? Try to do other non related activities...even before getting burned out. Seen tooooo many get in waaay to deep and then just up and vanish. Balance and moderation can be a good thing, of course having toooo many diff hobbies may be just as bad.... Or buy an old house/garden. That will keep you humble and looking forward to a break from plaster/paint/weeding/digging/grouting/etc/etc! Ta Carol, just in from huge 4 day dog event to needing to do mowing and sewing! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 19:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NHkZc015538 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:17:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65NHf0l015229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:17:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NH1EU052223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:17:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NGwf3091190; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep05.xtra.co.nz (fep05.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.241]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NGq3Y091034 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.187.53]) by fep05.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060705231641.JDWL19334.fep05.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:16:41 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.9/382]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:16:42 +1200 Message-ID: <005601c6a089$13a768e0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? Take a complete break from it. Set yourself a week to avoid all activities related to it, make sure all your fabrics and notions are out of sight as well. You will either find yourself going mad thinking of things you could be doing, in which case you know the passion is still there and you need to find a better way of expressing it (finding a new group, maybe even a new era) or you'll find yourself heaving a huge sigh of relief in which case you know you need a holiday. I go through periods where I wonder what I'm doing with a certain group or more especially with my website/online interaction with other costumers. I find a few days break is enough to find what I really want from it, and then I make any necessary changes to how I deal with issues that have upset/angered me. Your situation is of course much more complex. It sounds like you need to find what really drives you, costuming and reenacting are often outlets for a great deal of inquisitiveness and creativity. A lot of people burn out having focussed on a single time frame/group. If you still feel the need to create something beautiful, try out some other areas of art just to take a break. I find photography makes me happiest, I like to find shapes and colours in everyday items. Actually what I love photographing more than anything are cloud formations. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 4/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 19:42:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NgvFX016099 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:42:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65Ngq5K022998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:42:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NgCfx057928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Ng9DZ008866; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:42:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Ng3vw008758 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from cheslaptop (c-24-1-85-230.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.85.230]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060705234158014004ikf8e>; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:41:58 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO You pack everything up and you put it away cause as soon as the bug hits you again you will regret your action of giving or selling them in the very worst way. It will hurt in your chest, it will make you cry, it will make your throat go dry. Pack it up nicely and as you touch each piece remember something good about it and fold it neatly as you put it away. Then go and find a new set of friends that do nothing of what you did. Enjoy your time with them. Find a new partner or 5, have some fun. Someday you will go back to what you loved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 19:46:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Nk2J6016170 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:46:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65Njv06011162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:46:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NjRIC058588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NjQOw011458; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65NjN8O011376 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADBF32B703D2; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:39:43 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Go see your doctor--it sounds like you're depressed! If you really do not want your costumes, consider donating/selling them to a theatre group or movie costume company. Of course, if they are your costumes, Bjarne, perhaps a museum would like them for items people can handle when the old ones are too fragile. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:21 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? What is left then? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 19:51:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Npd77016360 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:51:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k65NpYCx013645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:51:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Np4ct059776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Np3UA017311; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:51:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65Nowix017232 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF1248CE0324; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:45:22 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What do you do? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:51:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44AC5086.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oops, I forgot this one. You could teach. You do such fantastic work, perhaps you could teach others how to do what you do. Some people might not want to be re-enactors, but would like to learn just because they enjoy creating a thing of beauty. Or go dancing, that always cheers me up. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:21 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? What is left then? 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Status: RO > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:21 PM > Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? > > >> What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact >> anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? >> When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? >> What is left then? >> Bjarne, having "been there and done that" more than I care to remember -- is it possible that you're depressed? That's one of the hallmark signs -- that stuff that you love doing no longer has any attraction for you. If there's *nothing* that attracts you, I'd seek a medical evaluation especially if that feeling lasts longer than a week or two. There are some nice self-evaluation questionaires on the web. Just give it a little time. It could just as easily mean that you need some space from your costumes and your embroidery for a while. But, do pack things away nicely. You'll come back to it again. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 20:24:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660OUUA017087 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:24:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k660OOOM016953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:24:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660MtNZ064869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660MqH3037273; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65J6nDC077375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26455 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FyCi7-00040c-0l for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:06:55 -0500 Message-ID: <029601c6a066$2a71b080$c200a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c69dd2$93f9ea40$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711><44ABE6BE.5050205@faucet.net> <44ABDFA9.30301@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sheared faux fur Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:06:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:24:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44AC5838.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Some of the stuff carried by Denver Fabrics is very nice--get samples, though, as some is sooooft and feels very natural, and some feels just plain unpleasantly polyester. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 20:24:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660OkPP017093 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k660OeL1022509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660N2cw064890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660N2PH037382; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JY9Tp000750 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from karen (CPE-72-128-23-84.kc.res.rr.com [72.128.23.84]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k65JY7bi027524 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:34:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "KLH" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Find something new that you love to do! T. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:21 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? What is left then? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 20:25:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660PIxY017104 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:25:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k660PDmH003371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:25:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660NfRd065016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660NeXS037749; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65JdVPE005363 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k65JdQQ04726 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:39:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO You are left with your incredible talent and US! :D I think we all go through phases with our art. There are times when I don't ever want to see another Vendel era carving. :D I work on something totally not related to anything I have been working on, and then inspiration usually hits. You will find your Muse again. Or She will find you when you see that perfect silk fabric and KNOW exactly what you want to make with it. Althea On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact > anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 20:26:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660Q5Vf017125 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:26:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k660Q070017556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:26:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660OMmd065210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:24:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660OKWI038226; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65MURZA053725 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4a5.3b8ef5b (57293) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:30:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <4a5.3b8ef5b.31dd977b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:30:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO What's left is you! Have felt exactly as you describe more times than I can remember. I'd suggest that you pick up all of the things that are making you feel this way (be it re-enactment clothing, costuming stuff, whatever), put it into a box, and put it in the back of your wardrobe, or a cupboard. Don't even look at it. Then look about for something else to fill the time - anything, from taking up acting, or charity work, or learning a new language, to training to climb K2!!! I guarantee that sooner or later you'll come back to your sewing and designing, (even if in a slightly different guise). Good luck, and I hope you feel much better soon. Debbie In a message dated 7/5/06 11:01:48 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 20:26:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660QEXK017128 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:26:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k660Q98b031616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:26:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660OA18065142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660OA8u038039; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KW3qJ051976 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:32:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-0470.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.81.215]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A413199F2 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:31:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44AC21C0.9080205@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:32:00 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Maby take a break and do something totally different. Take some distance. But some things will never dissapear totally. I love ballet and making costumes. I quit ballet when I was around 15. But started again when at 27. I do it now twice a week and love it even more than before. With costumes, I started to make 16th century clothing while in the SCA. But at some point in time I noticed that I didn't have fun anymore in the SCA. Sometimes You grow out of things and it is time to move on. I started doing reenactment. But now my top priorety is triening to make a little money with making fantasy costumes. Mostly because I love making fantasy costumes for my self. And this way I can afford them. And making Bunny backpacks that a lot of people find totally childish but I just love them. And I hope some people who buy them will have as much fun with them as I do. Don't worry and give yourself time. Just endyoy whatever you do. Sometimes it is just to find a way to a different angle to look at things. At least you know that the work you have done is loved by many people. But what ever you do don't let it force you to do things that you don't want. Good luck, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Many thanks . > In my youth i used to be good at telling storiesm perhaps thats an > obsion? > > Thanks for you being there........................... > > > v ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? > > >> Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>> What is left then? >> >> All my other hobbies. As much as I love sewing, costuming and >> dressing up, it's not my entire life. Go outside, try something new. >> Resurrect old hobbies that you used to enjoy. Try out a hobby you've >> never done before. Go to the beach. >> >> It's normal to get tired of an activity after a while and want to do >> something else. Give yourself the time off. >> >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 21:08:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66185QD018227 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:08:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66180Lb004288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:08:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k661227k070401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k661216T057078; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:02:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6611u7E056964 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 19:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m83.in-tch.com [216.166.191.83]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k660pLK15432 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <007901c6a098$da6d30e0$53bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4a5.3b8ef5b.31dd977b@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO What Debbie said, Exactly! I've had my times like that, too. And it always comes back to me, and me only happy when I'm making something (or reading), regardless of family or lack of same (and I don't have much) or the SCA driving me insane.... When I burnout, I switch to another hobby. I don't think I could *not* do something with my hands, whether it's sewing costumes/historical clothing, or working with textiles (spinning, weaving, knitting, embroidery, lacemaking). I have the advantage that my main/only real outlet for reenactment is the SCA, which covers a broad enough time span and number of cultures that I can change just about everything I do and focus on, and still remain within the group. So if I'm tired to pieces of 16th century costuming, I can focus on translating cooking texts for a few years. Or learn calligraphy. Or pick up knitting Islamic socks. Ya gotta do what nourishes your soul, and to do that, you really need to know what *does* nourish your soul. So, when I'm feeling like you sound, I take a step back for a while, give myself a break, and figure out what's going on. Is the job too stressful? The significant other? Are there health issues (mental or physical)? Change can be really, really scary, but it can be really, really good, too. Best of luck with this.... --Sue in hot/sticky Montana.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? > What's left is you! > > Have felt exactly as you describe more times than I can remember. > > I'd suggest that you pick up all of the things that are making you feel this > way (be it re-enactment clothing, costuming stuff, whatever), put it into a > box, and put it in the back of your wardrobe, or a cupboard. > Don't even look at it. > > Then look about for something else to fill the time - anything, from taking > up acting, or charity work, or learning a new language, to training to climb > K2!!! > > I guarantee that sooner or later you'll come back to your sewing and > designing, (even if in a slightly different guise). > > Good luck, and I hope you feel much better soon. > > Debbie > > > In a message dated 7/5/06 11:01:48 PM GMT Daylight Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > > What is left then? > > > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 5 22:57:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k662vd6r020848 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:57:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k662vYZg018130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:57:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660NvLw065076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k660NvTk037919; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:23:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KJYjC041046 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3ca.4078dc4 (62952) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:19:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3ca.4078dc4.31dd78c8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:19:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO May I add, don't get rid of all your stuff yet! You probably do need a break--I bet that the problems you had with the green silk were more discouraging than you told us at the time. I wish you could come here to the States and meet some of your fans. Now that is an idea--could you plan a trip to come here? That would be a break, and you would meet new people and see new places. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 01:41:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k665fIgf025322 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:41:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k665fCep016466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:41:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k665eDwt097160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k665dpoq001742; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (thunder.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k665dkGw001704 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F504C0DD for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:39:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-29.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-29.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.29]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:39:44 +1000 Message-ID: <1152164384.44aca2200f095@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:39:44 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO The old special effect man in me says, blow them up -- a big, loud pyrotechnics display -- as it is always fun to watch something explode. >From there, look at other areas of costume you may want to invest time and passion into, -C. > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 04:24:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k668OBN9031389 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:24:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k668O6MR029359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:24:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k668MaKl012751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 02:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k668MHJN089843; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 02:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail32.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail32.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k668MCgo089792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 02:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sweetrees10@optusnet.com.au) Received: from Faran (d220-236-50-135.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.236.50.135]) by mail32.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k668M1vu015936 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:22:09 +1000 Message-ID: <009c01c6a0d5$6adf11c0$0c01a8c0@Faran> From: "Sweetrees" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Bjarne, I have lurked here for a while and I have been greatly admiring your work. I am new to re-enacting myself but not new to the situation you describe. I would advise you to not make any long term decision about your costumes when you feel like this...speaking from experience if you get rid of everything now while you are feeling really upset you may come to regret it later. As someone else suggested packing everything away for a while or loaning it out so that you still have it but don't have to think about it or have it staring at you all the time. Then when you are feeling better you can make long term decisions about your wonderful costumes. You sound like you really need a break to get your head together...I seem to remember that you had surgery a short while ago...this feeling could be a side effect. You are such a talented person and burn out can happen, but it would be sad if you just walked away from all your hard work. Give your self time to look around and reassess what you want to do, maybe go in a different direction or do something totally unrelated for a while. You may come back to your costuming again or you may not but don't make hasty decisions when you are feeling bad. Sue in Cold and frosty Canberra Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 09:41:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66DfsLo011910 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:41:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66DfmrX025302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:41:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66DeP55043678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66DeKgS071207; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp6.america.net (qsmtp6.america.net [69.60.160.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66DeGji071132 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: from [65.125.64.149] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp6.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FyU5X-0004tO-Jy for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:40:15 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060706083406.01a2cb60@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:40:12 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO At 02:21 PM 7/5/2006, you wrote: >What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact >anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? >When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? >What is left then? > >Bjarne Try something totally new, but still something done in your chosen time period. Take up fencing? I always find, that when I'm depressed it's because my body has been idle for too long. Exercise works out a multitude of problems. Being healthy physically always helps my mental troubles. I know how it feels to be alone and hating my life. I also agree that going to a councilor can help. It helped me... Just know this, You do have people who love and respect you. We are all over the globe, and at the same time, we are right here in your home as you turn on your computer every day. I may not be able to give you a physical hug, but know that Zen hugs are definitely coming your way. You are NOT alone. Genie, in Dallas, Texas (Who would also love to see you if you decided to tour the would to meet all your friends.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 10:02:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66E27oW012490 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:02:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66E21QY001938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:02:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66E1VAv046425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66E1N6W087210; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66BpQ6m004230 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.81]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:51:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:51:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO I put all of my costumes away for a few years, in the attic closet. I took a very long break (6 years) and am only now feeling inspired to head back out! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [h-cost] What do you do? > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 10:49:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66EnVe9013959 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:49:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66EnQWZ024409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:49:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66Emflc052877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:48:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66Emb3g024168; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:48:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66EmXJd024114 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.209.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.209]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FyV9c-0005Ri-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:48:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? 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Status: RO Dear Bjarne, I can certainly echo all the replies you've already received. Set things carefully aside. Take some deep breaths. Nineteenth-century literature suggests that what people who felt this way used to do was take a world tour....and if you do decide to travel, there's a place for you to stay in Fairfield Connecticut, for sure. As someone who has had some bouts of depression and also has a surprising number of friends who struggle with it, I would also echo the suggestions that you find a professional to talk with. Sometimes events hit on top of a physical depressed condition and things seem overwhelmingly bleak. This is not a feeling you can just "get over" by thinking happy thoughts--because sometimes life is very difficult, and pain is very real. But it IS a feeling you can work your way out of, with support; and the passage of time, the changes that the days bring, will do the rest if you let them. I've been having some of your same thoughts in the last couple of years. I'm really tired of teaching English part-time--all work, no benefits, low pay, repetitive labor, no prestige, no hope of promotion, no time to beef up my resume in order to change things....And theater, which has been my salvation over the last fifteen years, has begun to feel similarly laborious, similarly dead-end. And in the last three months, three of my friends have died (I'm getting to be that age). So I think I can empathize with you. But I have some other things in common with you, too: a lot of interesting and caring people I can call friends, accomplishments I can view with pride, a good mind, a love of beauty, and a miraculous world to walk around in (even though it seems to be run by madmen...). My temporary refuge from despair is to curl up with a good murder mystery to read and a bowl of ice cream. Or good music on the CD player and a jigsaw on the table. Not a solution, but certainly a short escape. Then, as we used to say in the hippie days, just keep on keeping on. --Ruth Anne Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer On Jul 5, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact > anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 11:36:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66FaJNM015389 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:36:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66FaE0U014811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:36:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66FZMlp060184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:35:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66FZ2LB066003; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66FXWXC064769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k66FXQN82861 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 06 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.5 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:33:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What do you do? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44AD2DEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > Lots of good advice here, not to much to add except that you are not alone and I think most of us have been where it sounds like you are at one time or another. I few things I learned: Don't burn any bridges/costumes, at least not yet :). Try something just for fun. I know I sometimes get so caught up in a complete project I don't have time to enjoy the little bits that are my favorite part to research and work out. I did this w/ some Le Pompe patterns for example. Small project just for fun, no deadline, work at my leisure. Go do some of the things you haven't been able to do because you have deadlines or events to go to. And while these down-times happen, if it goes on to long do get a check-up to be sure there is not a physical cause (I will refrain from getting on my thyroid hobby horse here :) ). Be well, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 12:25:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GPnqM017376 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:25:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66GPfBo011859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:25:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GNfxq067788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GNTGK013263; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:23:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k66GNOdX013121 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53858 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 16:23:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w3lBELfcG+udQgoTPv4HJOagJk2Z9+Em1vn/+I+0xTYmDwftoIZKn46CGxkYRyvBHKG1ZP5YqIJuOG04SP8i6EqNONNQ1sl4D3wfPUDegDCsqu7YJuZNw9uZ4KvtXR5ba7Hh/icK6PzrimIaDx20zqOYVBkhlkyQGrLB88T76nw= ; Message-ID: <20060706162318.53856.qmail@web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:23:18 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607061448.k66Emd7L024181@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:25:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44AD3985.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is not really like you... and I echo what Ruth Anne said. I also am prone to "DEPRESSION" The blackdog. It has many names... and I'm not talking the blues. And burn out can be a close cousin too. First check that there is no semi-hidden physical cause. Didn't you just have an operation? are you still taking meds? sometimes this can have an effect that you don't even realize. Are you getting enough sleep? Is it real sleep? Aren't you in an area where it's daylight almost constantly right now? Then move on to the so-call mental cause (although I think that this is really a physical cause too. Physical depression is an illness, like diabetes or a broken leg.) professionals will help with medication, if necessary, talk therapy if necessary and retraining you brain not to be drepessed (almost always necessary) If it's burn out (minor or major cases) you got alot of good advice. (I'm listening in because this is a good support system. And I don't have an extended family to listen too. And I have too much of a tendancy to be a burnt out middle aged woman.) remember that we all love you, and stand here around the world, on the internet, for you if you need us. Sometime your family is not what you're born with, but what you end up with. Think of us all as long-distance cousins!!! We will keep proding you This is Mia in Charlotte...you're always welcome here, it's ungodly hot right now, 90s with ozone alerts, beacuse we lazy american are drivning all over the place. And Ruth Anne, I'm probably in the same age range as you. I consiously cultivate younger friends so when the older ones "leave us" I'll still have a bit of support...My grandmother taught me this. Thank you all for all the advice and support Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 12:41:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GfAGN017894 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:41:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66Gf5ss020825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:41:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GYuij069534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GYrLh023788; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:34:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66GYnOI023639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 10:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1FyWoP-0005xg-Cy; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 11:34:45 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:34:45 -0400 Message-ID: <20060706123445.0flpl68e80so8go8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:34:45 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Quoting Mia Dappert : *snippage* > > And Ruth Anne, I'm probably in the same age range as you. I > consiously cultivate younger friends so when the older ones "leave > us" I'll still have a bit of support...My grandmother taught me this. > I don't know that I've ever thought about it, but that's a *really* good idea! Not only that, but keeping up with the "younguns" helps keep you young, too. Susan, "Old Lady" Grad Student ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 16:19:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66KJ7Rq025401 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:19:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66KJ1aU014567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:19:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66KCBXk006491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:12:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66KC2Gh021742; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:12:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k66JYg7f085968 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:34:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 40962 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 19:34:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wVPtxy1buYgiNVsCqQ/Syadlw+OviOo9mqmKp85ighaSA83WU+yXn+a6fnVTUNCPmX813RuIW9+UHkwaehM1jaaVEHsjz2dz4Jou/5kHbPBeQpqigzcBdosCqYgPeAmEhkuwPaOB2n+J8oSFVP+wfhW5vBik4qfLK+MG6otxkOk= ; Message-ID: <20060706193435.40960.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [86.132.168.52] by web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:34:35 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:34:35 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607061803.k66I1MfY004044@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: What do you do? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:19:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44AD7035.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Bjarne you've had lots of good advice from everyone here - I just wanted to add that when I had my last, bad bout of depression (following a period of very hard work, physical illness and not giving myself a break) I didn't enjoy anything, even my beloved singing. I sing everywhere, all the time, all kinds of things and I only realised I was depressed when not one single thing made me feel like singing... Pack your lovely things away, with care, in a safe place. Think about whether you need to talk to someone: I found talking, hypnosis and herbs were what I needed, along with some serious relaxation. If not, and you are really just bored with sewing, then play around until you find something you like - I know there is a system of very good adult colleges in Denmark where lots of subjects are available. Above all, get out and walk every day! If you can borrow a dog or walk with a friend/neighbour, even better. If you can see the sea or a river, even better still! Someone else already said this but long term physical inactivity just brings my mood down without fail... reluctant as I am to admit this :-) Finally, you can email any one on this list - or all of us at the same time - whenever you need to. I kind of wish I'd had the courage to do that last year. It has taken nearly a year to feel more like 'me' again and I am still fighting wavering moods and anxiety but do you know, I am so inspired by your talent and generosity of knowledge, it made me smile to read your messages even when I was still too fragile to see friends in 'real life'. I hope you all don't mind me saying all this but if everyone was open about how yes, sometimes life gets us down even when we're not in what are typically 'awful' or life-threatening situations, perhaps we wouldn't let things get so bad before we asked for help. :-) I'm glad it's not just me! Thanks for your patience everyone, and a big email *hug* to Bjarne. Katherine > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact anymore, > and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 17:48:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66LmRVj028442 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:48:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66LmLjC025379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66LlWGG022398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66LlP4S009686; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66LlKuX009520 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jaurbik@optonline.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ool-18bdecc2.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.236.194]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J2000CPD4IX7270@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:46:51 -0400 From: J Schueller Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: What do you do? In-reply-to: <20060706193435.40960.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <44AD84CB.10504@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20060706193435.40960.qmail@web25712.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 17:48:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44AD8525.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is a GREAT idea. I think tomorrow morning I am going to ask my neighbor if i can take her dog out for a walk and go to the little lake in our development! i hope it becomes a habit! katherine sanders wrote: > > Above all, get out and walk every day! If you can borrow a dog or walk with a friend/neighbour, even better. If you can see the sea or a river, even better still! Someone else already said this but long term _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 19:20:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66NJudX032160 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:19:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k66NJp07003351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66NJ2wt038962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66NIvQv089573; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:18:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k66NIqT5089512 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A90B12EA0398; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:13:15 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:bjarne Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:18:59 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c6a152$8fa986c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060706162318.53856.qmail@web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k66NIqT5089512 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:19:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44AD9A97.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Depression stinks. I recently got on some anti-depression medication. I wasn't aware that I was depressed, it was my husband who noticed. It hasn't been a huge change-just less feeling blue. Bjarne, if you come to California, I'll drag you to the Renaissance Faire-- another time for you to try!! Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Mia Dappert Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:23 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re:bjarne This is not really like you... and I echo what Ruth Anne said. I also am prone to "DEPRESSION" The blackdog. It has many names... and I'm not talking the blues. And burn out can be a close cousin too. First check that there is no semi-hidden physical cause. Didn't you just have an operation? are you still taking meds? sometimes this can have an effect that you don't even realize. Are you getting enough sleep? Is it real sleep? Aren't you in an area where it's daylight almost constantly right now? Then move on to the so-call mental cause (although I think that this is really a physical cause too. Physical depression is an illness, like diabetes or a broken leg.) professionals will help with medication, if necessary, talk therapy if necessary and retraining you brain not to be drepessed (almost always necessary) If it's burn out (minor or major cases) you got alot of good advice. (I'm listening in because this is a good support system. And I don't have an extended family to listen too. And I have too much of a tendancy to be a burnt out middle aged woman.) remember that we all love you, and stand here around the world, on the internet, for you if you need us. Sometime your family is not what you're born with, but what you end up with. Think of us all as long-distance cousins!!! We will keep proding you This is Mia in Charlotte...you're always welcome here, it's ungodly hot right now, 90s with ozone alerts, beacuse we lazy american are drivning all over the place. And Ruth Anne, I'm probably in the same age range as you. I consiously cultivate younger friends so when the older ones "leave us" I'll still have a bit of support...My grandmother taught me this. Thank you all for all the advice and support Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 6 20:34:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k670YC98002333 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:34:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k670Y71q032084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:34:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k670XS5N049085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k670XPkF039439; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:33:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k670XLY1039335 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 18:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.306.7a477da (15886) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v109.13) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e44adabc870; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:33:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <003401c6a152$8fa986c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <003401c6a152$8fa986c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Message-Id: <8b03b14b116f700b255b9779ce33409e@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:bjarne/depression Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:33:10 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:34:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44ADABFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k670YC98002333 Status: RO I am taking medication for depression. Effexor at the lowest dose-works for me! Depression is a disease just like any other. It requires treatment that can and may have to be of various types. What do you have to lose? Talk to a professional. I did. Made a world of difference. I have a friend who is an Emergency Room Nurse. She was shocked that I was on a leave of absence from work because "I was crazy" (my words). She thinks I am on the ball and have my act together. Ha, ha! Remember the expression "You can fool some of the people all of the time..."? Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jul 6, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Depression stinks. I recently got on some anti-depression medication. I > wasn't aware that I was depressed, it was my husband who noticed. It > hasn't > been a huge change-just less feeling blue. > Bjarne, if you come to California, I'll drag you to the Renaissance > Faire-- > another time for you to try!! > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] > On > Behalf Of Mia Dappert > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:23 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re:bjarne > > > This is not really like you... > > and I echo what Ruth Anne said. I also am prone to "DEPRESSION" The > blackdog. It has many names... and I'm not talking the blues. And > burn out > can be a close cousin too. > > First check that there is no semi-hidden physical cause. Didn't you > just > have an operation? are you still taking meds? sometimes this can > have an > effect that you don't even realize. Are you getting enough sleep? Is > it > real sleep? Aren't you in an area where it's daylight almost > constantly > right now? > > Then move on to the so-call mental cause (although I think that this > is > really a physical cause too. Physical depression is an illness, like > diabetes or a broken leg.) professionals will help with medication, if > necessary, talk therapy if necessary and retraining you brain not to be > drepessed (almost always necessary) > > If it's burn out (minor or major cases) you got alot of good advice. > (I'm > listening in because this is a good support system. And I don't have > an > extended family to listen too. And I have too much of a tendancy to > be a > burnt out middle aged woman.) > > remember that we all love you, and stand here around the world, on > the > internet, for you if you need us. Sometime your family is not what > you're > born with, but what you end up with. Think of us all as long-distance > cousins!!! We will keep proding you > > This is Mia in Charlotte...you're always welcome here, it's ungodly > hot > right now, 90s with ozone alerts, beacuse we lazy american are > drivning all > over the place. > > And Ruth Anne, I'm probably in the same age range as you. I > consiously > cultivate younger friends so when the older ones "leave us" I'll > still have > a bit of support...My grandmother taught me this. > > Thank you all for all the advice and support > > Mia in Charlotte, NC > > > --------------------------------- > Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. > Just > radically better. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 7 14:16:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67IGejk017452 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:16:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k67IGZXb020778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:16:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67IFKEg006111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67IF9AQ047319; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67IF3LA047211 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hpockets@verizon.net) Received: from d3jqczs9642q62 ([24.0.205.186]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J21007AIPCBU1C1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:14:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:13:51 -0500 From: "Carolle M. 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Status: RO Bjarne, you are struggling with something that a lot of us are familiar with. Your friends, whether you can see us or not, are right here beside you, and you can talk to us any time you like. If that doesn't work, find me on yahooIM. Kathryn had some terrific suggestions. To them I would add: we all grow by what we learn. Maybe it's time to find another way to learn, even if only for a short time. Find a fresh, new something to get wrapped up in, and see how things go. Gerita Japanese Chin Rescue and Care Dallas Northwest Coordinator The years that a woman subtracts from her age are not lost. They are added to the ages of other women. -- Diane de Poitiers (1499 - 1566) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 7 18:14:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67MERHp027086 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:14:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k67MELBK029987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:14:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67MDNZP040507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:13:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67MCvHK041762; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k67MCqNJ041704 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07852 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:50:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:50:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] For Victorian and Civil War-era costumers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44AEDCBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Cathy at Fashion Fabrics, here in St. Louis, tells me there are a few spaces left in this workshop next weekend (July 15-16). It occurs to me this announcement may not have reached the Civil War groups or any specialty costuming lists for the 19th century -- and I don't work in that period, so I don't know the groups to send this to. I would very much appreciate people forwarding this message to the appropriate lists/groups/fora. St. Louis is a reasonable drive from many Midwestern cities. If you're interested, e-mail Cathy right away. It's after the original deadline, but she'll be happy to fill the last few slots. (You can call on the 800 number, but no one will be there over the weekend, and Cathy doesn't usually work Mondays.) --Robin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:04:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Cathy Champion Vivian Murphy Workshop in St. Louis! Vivian Murphy is teaming up with Fashion Fabrics Outlet to present a living history workshop on general techniques of mid-19th century clothing sewing techniques. Date: Saturday & Sunday, July 15 & 16, 2006 from 9am till 4pm with 1 hr off for lunch Place: Fashion Fabrics Outlet, 10508 Baur Blvd, St. Louis, MO 63132 314 993 4919 / 1 800 468 0602 This workshop will be a study of period design and construction techniques - not necessarily "fitting a bodice" but learning how to construct the entire dress in a correct period way. You will study a few original garments, watch a film presentation, then make "samples" of various steps and techniques. Vivian will have a garment in various stages of construction that you will study as you work on your samples. There will be hand outs that you can refer to, and there will be photos of originals in the first part of the presentation. The most important part of the workshop is the hands on help. There is a fee of $40 per person, with a limit of 15 ladies. Please register by the week of July 1st. As a special treat, those attending the workshop will be allowed to shop a special selection of period correct fabrics on Sunday. Your check should be made out to Vivian Murphy. Time is running out, so you can call Cathy at 1 800 993 4919 to see if spaces are left. I do not work on Monday, so call after that day. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 8 10:42:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68EgNMn011001 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:42:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k68EgHXJ018444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:42:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68Ef8RI036470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:41:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68Eek96054423; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k68EehJF054348 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:40:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyforbeys@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94643 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2006 14:40:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zcwkriuu7KuLWsYzZFdCD5AhApp1kK5udgt065h6VVL3f6P1peXF5rAei73CrwHCnyEQW8dLKjlaNi/7y3PYiBqngIdAHAz5q3kXfqs3LHtw+uQCFtDAiL/jfVU/rCQOHnVn7hjgqCDqB/eg0eTOPX8S2vO+Zsz7Z/dZ66JqCWw= ; Message-ID: <20060708144038.94641.qmail@web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.225.189.50] by web39713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:40:38 BST Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:40:38 +0100 (BST) From: Catalina Osorio Lopez To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Costuming Competition in Richardson, Texas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:42:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44AFC449.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There is going to be an Arts & Sciences competion on Aug. 26,2006 in Richardson, Texas. There will be an overall winner chosen. However there will also be a seperate prize given for costuming excellence. It will either be a 3ct amethyst or a 3ct topaz. Documentation would be nice. The winner of the main competion will be expected to have documentation. More details on the date/location on this website. http://www.christhecomputergeek.net/artisan.htm Catalina Catalina Aurum peccamenes multifariam texit ___________________________________________________________ Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! 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Status: RO I haven't been on this list in so long, I don't know who's out there anymore. Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 8 17:23:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68LN3Wl024495 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:23:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k68LMvwa020417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 17:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68LLfB4084437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68LLGRC080780; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k68KqkYn065954 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.127.255]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 08 Jul 2006 21:52:39 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAPG1r0SBTIhI Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.127.255]:2556 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FzJmu-000O1M-Dl for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:52:28 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060708213530.023f17d8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:52:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] My trip to Washington - report - some O.T. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:23:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B02231.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO First I would like to thank everyone who came up with suggestions on where to stay and what to see. The Hotel Harrington was ideal - walking distance to wherever we wanted to go to, clean, a bit shabby, but really helpful staff. I got to spend a whole day (!) at the DAR Museum, looking at female clothing from +/- 1780-1820. Alden O'Brien asked a colleague, a former curator, to join us, and then simply opened drawers and asked if we wanted to see the contents. There were short gowns, altered gowns, corsets, a bodiced petticoat, fans, pockets, purses, a few fashion plates referring to a couple of garments we were looking at........... The next day we started off for Virginia, but got seriously distracted by G street Fabrics, where I topped up the stash, and bought several items from the Notions department. (DH meanwhile was buying shoes.) The former curator very kindly arranged for Anne and I to meet with Linda Baumgarten at Colonial Williamsburg for an hour and a half, where we got to see some ladies' garments of the same period, plus drawers full of quilted petticoats, pockets and stomachers. We over-ran our time, so Linda sent me the details of what we saw, which I will enjoy checking out once my brain stops aching. I spent some very pleasant,if busy, days with Anne, her DH and my DH, including a trip to see Colonial Williamsburg - the town - and Jamestown. We only hit one fabric store, honest, and I only bought a couple of notions, no fabric. On the morning of the day we left, Mary, the former curator, met me, showed me some more items from her personal collection and we then had a very rushed visit through the National Gallery of Art in Washington, where there is a wonderful Venetian exhibition currently on show, I also bought a few (not!) postcards to add to my collection. If anyone would like more details, I will be sending a newsletter to my friends and colleagues who are interested. I can add you to the list. Unfortunately there will not be photos, as I signed forms to keep them to myself, and not publish on the internet. (Quite normal with museum collections.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 9 16:54:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k69KsXHt013149 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:54:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k69KsSPT004318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:54:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k69KrQiX035808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k69Kr2g4037871; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:53:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k69KqwAZ037747 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 14:53:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39975 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 2006 20:52:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5BS+/5Y7OIWzwK5OckbhWJD96vOGI6+FJtTtwzKCEIaclm4iDYX63ZEG6gWh/U6sWyoYAoqO/GDopTVT9q6MbtcjQns4eTIG4n11CkcgCWHH1jPwPy6iboQart5guqrAs5UGiup2/tY/nqs0wAgi30+XjlgM+TMduRBLZWkPQyA= ; Message-ID: <20060709205252.39973.qmail@web39511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.241.246.20] by web39511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:52:52 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607091800.k69I03BZ044933@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] East Coast Trip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Jul 2006 16:54:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B16D04.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi, I would love to see the pictures and some of the info you collected. Can you add me to the list - e-mail me directly at sarah_nucci@yahoo.com Thanks, Sarah h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." Today's Topics: 1. My trip to Washington - report - some O.T. (Suzi Clarke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:52:40 +0100 From: Suzi Clarke Subject: [h-cost] My trip to Washington - report - some O.T. To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060708213530.023f17d8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed First I would like to thank everyone who came up with suggestions on where to stay and what to see. The Hotel Harrington was ideal - walking distance to wherever we wanted to go to, clean, a bit shabby, but really helpful staff. I got to spend a whole day (!) at the DAR Museum, looking at female clothing from +/- 1780-1820. Alden O'Brien asked a colleague, a former curator, to join us, and then simply opened drawers and asked if we wanted to see the contents. There were short gowns, altered gowns, corsets, a bodiced petticoat, fans, pockets, purses, a few fashion plates referring to a couple of garments we were looking at........... The next day we started off for Virginia, but got seriously distracted by G street Fabrics, where I topped up the stash, and bought several items from the Notions department. (DH meanwhile was buying shoes.) The former curator very kindly arranged for Anne and I to meet with Linda Baumgarten at Colonial Williamsburg for an hour and a half, where we got to see some ladies' garments of the same period, plus drawers full of quilted petticoats, pockets and stomachers. We over-ran our time, so Linda sent me the details of what we saw, which I will enjoy checking out once my brain stops aching. I spent some very pleasant,if busy, days with Anne, her DH and my DH, including a trip to see Colonial Williamsburg - the town - and Jamestown. We only hit one fabric store, honest, and I only bought a couple of notions, no fabric. On the morning of the day we left, Mary, the former curator, met me, showed me some more items from her personal collection and we then had a very rushed visit through the National Gallery of Art in Washington, where there is a wonderful Venetian exhibition currently on show, I also bought a few (not!) postcards to add to my collection. If anyone would like more details, I will be sending a newsletter to my friends and colleagues who are interested. I can add you to the list. Unfortunately there will not be photos, as I signed forms to keep them to myself, and not publish on the internet. (Quite normal with museum collections.) Suzi ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume End of h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 521 ***************************************** --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Status: RO I know that there are folks on this list that do one or more online journaling things -- be it livejournal, blogspot, yahoo 360 or something else. Some of you just do the journal-y thing "by hand" (aka dress diaries, project diaries. etc.) For those of you who do more than one, which do you like best and why? thanks, susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 9 20:54:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A0shj9027335 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:54:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A0scX1020377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:54:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A0s5RR060290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A0s3ca058386; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:54:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A0s0fv058275 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from cheslaptop (c-24-1-85-230.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.85.230]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006071000534901300k4ao3e>; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:53:50 +0000 Message-ID: <0fc101c6a3bb$52d3c560$070ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: OT Renaissance costumes needed for shot film (corte madera) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B1A54E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Ross" To: "Chiara Francesca" Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:54 PM Subject: Re: Renaissance costumes needed for shot film (corte madera) "Truth and Lies" is a short fantasy film set a few hundred years ago. The themes are similar to those of Minority Report, touching on fortune-telling, loyalty, and betrayal. About 10 costumes needed, including kings, guards, profits and peasents. Send photos. The prophets need cloaks, one green with yellow hemming, the other white with blue. If there is no replacement for these, I do have some robes that can be modified. The other costumes include: A King which simply needs to look like a King. Four guards, but I am not sure on style here. This is flexible, but must look official, and not too modern. Mother, peasant. She simply needs to look poor and old fashioned. Other extras will be needed. Robes, etc. will be great here. Please send me more information about what you have; even if only one costume fits, that's very helpful. And, of course, the more the better. Thank you for the interest. -Daniel Ross _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 9 21:51:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A1pM0C029185 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:51:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A1pGiK026935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:51:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A1oMku066580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A1oJ11088143; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A1oFuF088110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 19:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.163] (209-148-118-163.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6A1oDab021510 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 18:50:14 -0700 Message-ID: <44B1B256.5080909@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 18:50:14 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060709191212.widfzjm2m84w8ock@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060709191212.widfzjm2m84w8ock@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:51:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B1B294.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I can't understand why anyone writes them at all. I've never had the faintest urge. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Susan B. Farmer wrote: > I know that there are folks on this list that do one or more online > journaling things -- be it livejournal, blogspot, yahoo 360 or > something else. Some of you just do the journal-y thing "by hand" (aka > dress diaries, project diaries. etc.) > > For those of you who do more than one, which do you like best and why? > > thanks, > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 9 22:19:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A2JOsQ031504 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:19:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A2JIBK007805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:19:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A2IaAm069070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A2IFPp003760; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A2ICfk003693 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Theresathreadgi@aol.com) Received: from Theresathreadgi@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.489.5295559 (39952) for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Theresathreadgi@aol.com Message-ID: <489.5295559.31e312dd@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:18:05 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_489.5295559.31e312dd_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: What do you do? 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Status: RO Hi Susan, I don't do more than one, but here's my two cents worth anyhow. I like LJ because that's where all the cool costuming people hang out. :-) Seriously, I know there must be lots of cool costuming people who aren't on LJ, or on any blog at all, but I knew of one or two, so I joined up and found lots and lots of them. It's a great way to keep up with what everyone else is doing. And it's not quite the same thing as an online dress diary because you don't have to limit yourself to just costuming topics, although some people do have two LJ accounts to seperate the costuming stuff from the mundane stuff. :-) I also like that I can 'friends lock' posts - most of my journal is friends locked so that nobody that I don't allow to can view those posts. Maybe it's the same on other blogs, but I don't know that for sure. Bella http://realm-of-venus.livejournal.com/ --- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: > > I know that there are folks on this list that do one or more online > journaling things -- be it livejournal, blogspot, yahoo 360 or > something else. Some of you just do the journal-y thing "by hand" (aka > dress diaries, project diaries. etc.) > > For those of you who do more than one, which do you like best and why? > > thanks, > susan ____________________________________________________ On Yahoo!7 Dating: It's free to join and check out our great singles! http://www.yahoo7.com.au/personals _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 00:54:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A4sdaQ005091 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:54:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A4sXct027541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:54:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A4rVrK084814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A4rQPw087100; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A4rNT6087012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1Fznls-0006px-Ph; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:53:24 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:53:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20060710005324.6t7yx8taockoosk0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:53:24 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710033402.57705.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060710033402.57705.qmail@web31504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:54:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B1DD89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Bella : > Hi Susan, > > I don't do more than one, but here's my two cents worth anyhow. I > like LJ because that's where all > the cool costuming people hang out. :-) I've noticed that there seem to be a few there. My kid keeps telling me I need to LJ so I've been poking around looking at what's there. Yahoo's layout seems to be confusing -- and I haven't a clue about blogspot. I know some stitchers that are there. > > Seriously, I know there must be lots of cool costuming people who > aren't on LJ, or on any blog at > all, but I knew of one or two, so I joined up and found lots and lots > of them. It's a great way to > keep up with what everyone else is doing. And it's not quite the same > thing as an online dress > diary because you don't have to limit yourself to just costuming > topics, although some people do > have two LJ accounts to seperate the costuming stuff from the mundane > stuff. :-) Oh, yeah. The thing that is somewhat attractive to me is the apparent ease of setting up a dress diary type thing via LJ. Dress Diaries appeal to me because if you're doing something for A&S, if you keep your diary "up to date" then you've got alot of your documentation written -- well, depending -- but you know what I mean. You can record your inspiration, your thought processes, etc. > > I also like that I can 'friends lock' posts - most of my journal is > friends locked so that nobody > that I don't allow to can view those posts. Maybe it's the same on > other blogs, but I don't know > that for sure. Well, I've set up a profile, but I haven't done anything with it yet. Susan, FlorentineScot ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 01:32:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A5W0L8007073 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:32:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A5VtlX002052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:31:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A5VLkS088274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A5VJkL005722; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:31:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A5V5cg005570 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20060710053100m1300safare>; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 05:31:00 +0000 Message-ID: <44B1E613.8060901@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 22:30:59 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710045927.4233.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060710045927.4233.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:31:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B1E64B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Kimiko - that's exactly how I feel. I'm not a SAHM, but I have mucho mucho respect for anyone who chooses that route. That's the hardest job, in my opinion! :) But the internet is a great way to feel connected, and bounce ideas off of other people. Just like this list, of course... I have a LJ, which is mainly for personal goofing off, and a personal website (http://www.ryla.net) which is for my costuming, family pictures, and other interests. I love the fact that my dear sweet hubby is great with a camera, because my costumes always look better when he photographs them! Marie :) >Hi Fran, > > For some of us, myself included, it is a way to communicate with other people of like minds. It's also a way to communicate with friends far away, telling people of our day, our accomplishments, letting off steam, good things, bad things, whatever we want to share... sort of like the comments, off topic and on topic that people on this list write about. > > I also like to write down a dress diary, so that I can write down and share what I have learned, the mistakes I've made, maybe share photos of how the garment is progressing. I later put a complete version on my personal website for future reference. > > I don't write all the time in my LJ, but I do like to read what my "friends" on my friends list are doing. And this helps keep me in touch with other people, since I am currently a SAHM with small kids, and it helps keep me "sane" and feeling like an adult, instead of always talking on a child's level. ggoooo, ghaaa. pssssbbbttt. I have a baby and a 4 year old, so I need "conversation" with others that have interests similar to my own. > > Kimiko > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 02:00:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A6051W008423 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:00:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A5xtKI027916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A4xcl1085405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A4xZBF090159; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6A4xWPP090084 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4235 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2006 04:59:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pVF2GVUT8+C0Vi+zuHSgwP10ivyyUacOjNNTOYXubuPz5oZDTFON8AUgrjiazdS9NzJtXOJFWDUQEkMENgsC6prkZEslHovRIG+8Bv+dKPHdfbVu11xGjImRrKafXTQNdZ3Sa8XuSvDxwzd6URRwG53KA6yQZ5FGrfMn3ljqXAE= ; Message-ID: <20060710045927.4233.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:59:27 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <44B1B256.5080909@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:00:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B1ECDB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Fran, For some of us, myself included, it is a way to communicate with other people of like minds. It's also a way to communicate with friends far away, telling people of our day, our accomplishments, letting off steam, good things, bad things, whatever we want to share... sort of like the comments, off topic and on topic that people on this list write about. I also like to write down a dress diary, so that I can write down and share what I have learned, the mistakes I've made, maybe share photos of how the garment is progressing. I later put a complete version on my personal website for future reference. I don't write all the time in my LJ, but I do like to read what my "friends" on my friends list are doing. And this helps keep me in touch with other people, since I am currently a SAHM with small kids, and it helps keep me "sane" and feeling like an adult, instead of always talking on a child's level. ggoooo, ghaaa. pssssbbbttt. I have a baby and a 4 year old, so I need "conversation" with others that have interests similar to my own. Kimiko Lavolta Press wrote: I can't understand why anyone writes them at all. I've never had the faintest urge. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 02:39:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A6dWOg023776 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:39:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A6dRq8023661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:39:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A6chUP094846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A6caCF038607; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A6cVOc038536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.147] (209-148-118-147.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6A6cTtg008158 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:38:30 -0700 Message-ID: <44B1F5E7.2010200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:38:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 02:39:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B1F61F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Fran, For some of us, myself included, it is a way to communicate with other people of like minds. It's also a way to communicate with friends far away, telling people of our day, our accomplishments, letting off steam, good things, bad things, whatever we want to share... sort of like the comments, off topic and on topic that people on this list write about. --------------------------- Obviously many people on the net are into this, it's just not my cup of tea. Ever since I graduated from college, I've spent at least 40 hours a week communicating with people as a profession. That leaves me with little interest in doing it recreationally. I learned long ago that if I have a good idea or good information, some one will always pay me for it. If it's not a good idea or good information, it's better just to keep it to myself. I can't imagine telling strangers on the net all about my "day," nor can I imagine why any of them would have the slightest interest in any of my days, or in my feelings. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 03:14:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A7EHcP002496 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:14:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6A7EBv0000865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:14:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A7D70I099152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6A7Cg4k057800; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6A7Ccre057699 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 01:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 50207 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2006 07:12:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dMtkSqNxsUve3jn0n1B3Ts1XJJLzIwSerLP0WRva/VRSJVjPV7qOkbctUxQ7Rs1TGqrVuUKFJZe8ifCKf40LkoCquCd/lk8+Zwuhqe1SX1fXcwF7KX52dipk99KCbK1OTdm2Ibkd1/nhtiMwXfFcwuUp+S5mYc16AeKT9WCZICA= ; Message-ID: <20060710071233.50205.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.137] by web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:12:33 EST Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:12:33 +1000 (EST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <44B1F5E7.2010200@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 03:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B1FE43.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi Fran, you seem to have your mind set against it, and I can sure understandabout not wanting to communicate for fun when you do it for a living, so I'm not trying to convert you to LJ-dom or anything like that. But one thing you wrote I felt needed to be explained, at least for the benefit of others if not for yourself. It's not strangers you talk to about your "day" (unless you choose to) - you get to choose who sees your posts by setting up filters. Anyone can have dozens of strangers on their friends list if they so choose, but limit any entry to only a few select people if they want to. I started off on LJ by adding only people (adding to my 'friends list') with whom I had already communicated with on some level in 'normal' mailing lists like this one. Then, through them, I met others with whom I have common interests. I'm happy to say I've made some friends I would otherwise never have met, and have goten to know them and they me. Next year when I go to europe I'll have people whith whom I share a love of fine fabrics and costuming and with whom I can meet and go shopping! I can think of nothing better when visiting a strange country then to have somebody there who is not a complete stranger welcome me and show me wherethe 'locals' shop and eat. I'm looking forward to it a lot. :-) Bella --- Lavolta Press wrote: > Obviously many people on the net are into this, it's just not my cup of > tea. Ever since I graduated from college, I've spent at least 40 hours > a week communicating with people as a profession. That leaves me with > little interest in doing it recreationally. I learned long ago that if > I have a good idea or good information, some one will always pay me for > it. If it's not a good idea or good information, it's better just to > keep it to myself. I can't imagine telling strangers on the net all > about my "day," nor can I imagine why any of them would have the > slightest interest in any of my days, or in my feelings. > > Fran ____________________________________________________ The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 08:27:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ACR3uB023289 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6ACQv1s004275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:27:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ACPt36031098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ACPpWo020919; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ACPj9M020793 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.127.255]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2006 13:17:59 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAFrhsUSBTIhLLA Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.127.255]:1770 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fzui6-0009Ik-Na for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:17:58 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060710131446.02394210@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:18:01 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] East Coast Trip In-Reply-To: <20060709205252.39973.qmail@web39511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200607091800.k69I03BZ044933@net.indra.com> <20060709205252.39973.qmail@web39511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:27:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B24791.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 21:52 09/07/2006, you wrote: >Suzi, > > I would love to see the pictures and some of the info you > collected. Can you add me to the list - e-mail me directly at > sarah_nucci@yahoo.com > > Thanks, > Sarah Sarah I will add you to my list, but there will be no photos of the museum items - I am not allowed to publish these without paying a huge fee! This is normal practice when photo-ing a museum's reserve collection i.e. those items not on public display. >I got to spend a whole day (!) at the DAR Museum, looking at female >clothing from +/- 1780-1820. Alden O'Brien asked a colleague, a >former curator, to join us, and then simply opened drawers and asked >if we wanted to see the contents. There were short gowns, altered >gowns, corsets, a bodiced petticoat, fans, pockets, purses, a few >fashion plates referring to a couple of garments we were looking at........... > >The next day we started off for Virginia, but got seriously >distracted by G street Fabrics, where I topped up the stash, and >bought several items from the Notions department. (DH meanwhile was >buying shoes.) > >The former curator very kindly arranged for Anne and I to meet with >Linda Baumgarten at Colonial Williamsburg for an hour and a half, >where we got to see some ladies' garments of the same period, plus >drawers full of quilted petticoats, pockets and stomachers. We >over-ran our time, so Linda sent me the details of what we saw, which >I will enjoy checking out once my brain stops aching. > >I spent some very pleasant,if busy, days with Anne, her DH and my DH, >including a trip to see Colonial Williamsburg - the town - and >Jamestown. We only hit one fabric store, honest, and I only bought a >couple of notions, no fabric. > >On the morning of the day we left, Mary, the former curator, met me, >showed me some more items from her personal collection and we then >had a very rushed visit through the National Gallery of Art in >Washington, where there is a wonderful Venetian exhibition currently >on show, I also bought a few (not!) postcards to add to my collection. > >If anyone would like more details, I will be sending a newsletter to >my friends and colleagues who are interested. I can add you to the >list. Unfortunately there will not be photos, as I signed forms to >keep them to myself, and not publish on the internet. (Quite normal >with museum collections.) > >Suzi > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >End of h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 521 >***************************************** > > > >--------------------------------- >How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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Status: RO >The former curator very kindly arranged for Anne and I to meet with Linda Baumgarten at >Colonial Williamsburg for an hour and a half, where we got to see some ladies' garments of >the same period, plus drawers full of quilted petticoats, pockets and stomachers. Suzi -- I have a group of Bishop spouses from the Episcopal Church who is planning a conference in Williamsburg March 15-18. I had mentioned to them about the possiblity of being able to see some costuming close up but didn't know who to contact. I would love to be able to show them something other than the regular "tourist" attractions there. We will also be going to Jamestown that weekend too. If you have the names of the curator or someone who might give us a specialized tour, I would really appreciate it. You may contact me off-llist with the information. Thanks. Donna Scarfe Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 10:39:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEdFKr028365 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:39:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6AEdAkx030825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEb0aP050322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEYxQ3010564; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas6.coqui.net (avas6.coqui.net [196.28.61.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEYrrl010406 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) Received: from unknown (HELO MAQUINA) ([64.237.144.112]) by avas6.coqui.net with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2006 10:32:53 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAL8BskQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,225,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="503680829:sNHT7557398807" From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:32:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00ad01c6a42d$c83cf700$0100000a@MAQUINA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200607101225.k6ACPqnO020931@net.indra.com> Thread-Index: AcakHAU0dC+1mtesT6GQAz5h3DPeKwAEVQYw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1797 Spanish Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:39:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B2668E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, folks, Do any one around here has a picture, patterns or whatever information on late XVIII century Spanish clothing, textiles used, etc Any help will be much appreciated Joseph Pereda hagiosfenum@prtc.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:26 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 522 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 10:59:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AExWQN029154 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:59:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6AExQTd031684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:59:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEvbYT054405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEvX38030429; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AEvQKl030226 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.127.255]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2006 15:57:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAIQEskSBTIhLLA Received: from 88-107-127-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.127.255]:2124 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FzxCE-0005E7-Av for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:57:14 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060710155700.023a7300@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:57:51 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:East Coast Trip In-Reply-To: <3b0.55c2457.31e3ba17@aol.com> References: <3b0.55c2457.31e3ba17@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:59:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B26B4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 15:11 10/07/2006, you wrote: > >The former curator very kindly arranged for Anne and I to meet with Linda >Baumgarten at >Colonial Williamsburg for an hour and a half, where >we got to see >some ladies' garments of >the same period, plus drawers full of quilted >petticoats, pockets and stomachers. > >Suzi -- > >I have a group of Bishop spouses from the Episcopal Church who is planning a >conference in Williamsburg March 15-18. I had mentioned to them about the >possiblity of being able to see some costuming close up but didn't >know who to >contact. I would love to be able to show them something other than >the regular >"tourist" attractions there. We will also be going to Jamestown that weekend >too. If you have the names of the curator or someone who might give us a >specialized tour, I would really appreciate it. You may contact me >off-llist with >the information. I'll contact you off list - need to ask if "my" contact is happy to pass on your details. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 12:28:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGSAke032637 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:28:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6AGS4mU010779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:28:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGPBX6072720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGOmad017011; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:24:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGOjBU016898 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:24:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F76AA6C9E for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:24:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44B27F74.2070302@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:25:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060709191212.widfzjm2m84w8ock@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060709191212.widfzjm2m84w8ock@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B28014.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > which do you like best and why? > I have my own website and I prefer it over the blog services because I have better control over it all. I can choose what it looks like, what I want to say on it, how much space I use, and what features I want. Nobody can arbitrarily delete my pages over TOS violations. I have 20+ gig of photo space. I can password protect portions, too. I started long before blogging became popular, and just found the format of those sites to be restrictive. Obviously, there's a lot more work and technical expertise involved in your own site and it's not going to be the best solution for everyone. Like Fran, I don't want to 'bare all' on my website, and I don't keep a daily journal. I started putting up project-specific journals in an effort to show newcomers to the hobby (the focus of my site is costuming for beginners) that even when you're experienced and think you know what you're doing you can still have a difficult and frustrating time with a costume, and that it can be overcome. Fortunately, there's room for all of us to do what we like best. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 12:34:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGYN2F000393 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:34:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6AGYIUC012872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGXV8g074172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGXTg9025063; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:33:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AGXOvE024975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.77] (209-148-118-77.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.77]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6AGXKnv013446 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:33:23 -0700 Message-ID: <44B28152.4060100@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:33:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710071233.50205.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060710071233.50205.qmail@web31514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:34:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B2818A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Bella wrote: > Hi Fran, > > you seem to have your mind set against it There's no reason why I should have my mind set for it--blogging is purely optional. ,But one thing you wrote I felt needed to be explained, at least for the > benefit of others if not for yourself. It's not strangers you talk to about your "day" (unless you > choose to) - you get to choose who sees your posts by setting up filters. I've looked at LiveJournal--I had an account for one day to research what it was about--and I've run across a great many blogs on the net while looking for other things. It's not like I've never read a blog, or that the concept is new to me. But, have you ever seen the quote by computer scientist Robert Wilensky: "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." Although some people produce blogs like editorial columns, professionally done and with real content, overall, the amount of sheer drivel on the Internet is overwhelming. I understand well that the human urge to communicate is fairly universal. It's the driving force of most of my life, in one way or another. What is opaque to me is the blurring of public and private boundaries. I've seen a great many blogs--they are by no means all on LiveJournal or private--with lengthy recitals about the weather that day, someone's feelings about events only important to them and their intimate circle, and on and on. And my reaction is,_who cares_? I think things like that should be restricted to a private diary--though I don't keep one--or to a handful of truly intimate friends and relations. Obviously anyone is free to post anything they want. Me included. But, the corollary is a lot of people won't read it, me included (nor do I expect everyone to hang on my lips either). Hey, I've got a couple of hundred really good, professionally written books sitting on my to-read pile, and I've got several on my to-write pile. To me, getting involved with my own or anyone else's written recitals about daily trivia and their feelings about it is a sheer waste of time. But I'm not a chat person, apparently particularly in comparison to most women (as opposed to men). Years ago I quit going to the kind of parties where people stand around and talk to each other because I was spending most of them holed up in the host's bedroom (hoping they wouldn't come in and think I was up to something seriously weird with their underwear drawer) reading a good book (I take one everywhere I go). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Anyone can have dozens > of strangers on their friends list if they so choose, but limit any entry to only a few select > people if they want to. > > I started off on LJ by adding only people (adding to my 'friends list') with whom I had already > communicated with on some level in 'normal' mailing lists like this one. Then, through them, I met > others with whom I have common interests. I'm happy to say I've made some friends I would > otherwise never have met, and have goten to know them and they me. Next year when I go to europe > I'll have people whith whom I share a love of fine fabrics and costuming and with whom I can meet > and go shopping! I can think of nothing better when visiting a strange country then to have > somebody there who is not a complete stranger welcome me and show me wherethe 'locals' shop and > eat. I'm looking forward to it a lot. :-) > > > Bella > > > > --- Lavolta Press wrote: > > >>Obviously many people on the net are into this, it's just not my cup of >>tea. Ever since I graduated from college, I've spent at least 40 hours >>a week communicating with people as a profession. That leaves me with >>little interest in doing it recreationally. I learned long ago that if >>I have a good idea or good information, some one will always pay me for >>it. If it's not a good idea or good information, it's better just to >>keep it to myself. I can't imagine telling strangers on the net all >>about my "day," nor can I imagine why any of them would have the >>slightest interest in any of my days, or in my feelings. >> >>Fran > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. > http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 13:21:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AHLKWa002241 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:21:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6AHLEmW010572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AHKNvG083936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AHKJI8068948; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:20:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AHKGIj068885 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c29so844632nfb for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kt2KKtnN8+rdUMZ4S53DA7GOMA4rthf9W2nRNiKWfu1Sgun9vcC2s1KUts/YfSr4PspdGZF7gCD+S4IhNmRcoPx6xe3XaL+vpyO+eDcaKh145YVrYKNEfRgdx/qA3j5rwrfI/3W+ptPddtLruSUzSaf+P7ml0obrz7elFmH0kEk= Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr1790194huc; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.131.20 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190607101020y6d1c52ceyfcfd49e68eb3a706@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:20:15 -0400 From: "A. 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Status: RO > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:59:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kimiko Small > Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20060710045927.4233.qmail@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Fran, > > For some of us, myself included, it is a way to communicate with other people of like minds. It's also a way to communicate with friends far away, telling people of our day, our accomplishments, letting off steam, good things, bad things, whatever we want to share... sort of like the comments, off topic and on topic that people on this list write about. What Kimiko said above. I'm not a SAHM, but I do work in a field far removed from costume and I have other specific and non-mainstream interests, so LJ and other online forums (and lists like this one) are a way to keep in touch with like-minded/interested people, see what they're doing, compare notes, etc. It's also good as a "keeping people up to date" place - sort of a substitute for the yearly Christmas letter in which you tell everyone what you've done for the last year; this way you save postage and update it more frequently. Given the slow nature of most of my costume projects, I don't keep a separate dress diary, but I do post in my general journal about what I'm working on when there's a development, in addition to my usual every day stuff. If anyone on LJ wants to Friend or Friend back, drop me a private line. Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 19:03:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AN3Y7O016748 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:03:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6AN3Sf9009593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:03:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AN1KeB038379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AN1Co9056029; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6AN17Xj055869 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.33]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:01:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:01:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.189.106] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607101800.k6AI04QV003504@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:01:00 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2006 23:01:02.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7476970:01C6A474] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Siglo XVIII Spain X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:03:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B2DCC0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO http://www.fundacionjakober.org/spain5.html Portraits of Carlos VI, Isabel II and Amadeus I should be a good jumping off point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV_of_Spain Infanta Eulalia www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp69533 Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 19:27:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ANRH5K017726 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:27:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6ANRCjq016318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:27:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ANQZP2043013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:26:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ANQY9Y075015; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ANQUjf074874 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from contessaisabel@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (ool-44c1a9d8.dyn.optonline.net [68.193.169.216]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J2700FICNR8UCF0@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:26:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. In-reply-to: <44B28152.4060100@lavoltapress.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-topic: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. Thread-index: AcakeEGVgAG2fRBrEduudwAUUQ//cg== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.4.060510 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 19:27:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B2E250.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello list, I don't usually post here am more of a lurker, but I have to say something. "But, the corollary is a lot of people won't read it, me included " How do you know what others will read or not read? "But I'm not a chat person" Could have fooled me. "Years ago I quit going to the kind of parties > where people stand around and talk to each other because I was spending > most of them holed up in the host's bedroom (hoping they wouldn't come > in and think I was up to something seriously weird with their underwear > drawer) reading a good book (I take one everywhere I go)." How sad and insulting to the host and the guests. If you don't like blogging why do you subscribe to this banal and boring social and rather chatty costume list, and why did you choose to write this rather long response? I suggest you stop wasting your time here and begin working on that long list of books you want to write. I enjoy LJ (Waves to Bella) and what my friends have to say. And I hold a BA in English Lit! HA! And am a candidate for my MAT in Education! Guess I'm a Monkey. Elizabeth On 7/10/06 12:33 PM, "Lavolta Press" wrote: > > > Bella wrote: >> Hi Fran, >> >> you seem to have your mind set against it > > There's no reason why I should have my mind set for it--blogging is > purely optional. > > ,But one thing you wrote I felt needed to be explained, at least for the >> benefit of others if not for yourself. It's not strangers you talk to about >> your "day" (unless you >> choose to) - you get to choose who sees your posts by setting up filters. > > I've looked at LiveJournal--I had an account for one day to research > what it was about--and I've run across a great many blogs on the net > while looking for other things. It's not like I've never read a blog, or > that the concept is new to me. But, have you ever seen the quote by > computer scientist Robert Wilensky: > > "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters > will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks > to the Internet, we know this is not true." > > Although some people produce blogs like editorial columns, > professionally done and with real content, overall, the amount of sheer > drivel on the Internet is overwhelming. I understand well that the > human urge to communicate is fairly universal. It's the driving force of > most of my life, in one way or another. What is opaque to me is the > blurring of public and private boundaries. I've seen a great many > blogs--they are by no means all on LiveJournal or private--with lengthy > recitals about the weather that day, someone's feelings about events > only important to them and their intimate circle, and on and on. And my > reaction is,_who cares_? I think things like that should be restricted > to a private diary--though I don't keep one--or to a handful of truly > intimate friends and relations. > > Obviously anyone is free to post anything they want. Me included. But, > the corollary is a lot of people won't read it, me included (nor do I > expect everyone to hang on my lips either). Hey, I've got a couple of > hundred really good, professionally written books sitting on my to-read > pile, and I've got several on my to-write pile. To me, getting involved > with my own or anyone else's written recitals about daily trivia and > their feelings about it is a sheer waste of time. > > But I'm not a chat person, apparently particularly in comparison to most > women (as opposed to men). Years ago I quit going to the kind of parties > where people stand around and talk to each other because I was spending > most of them holed up in the host's bedroom (hoping they wouldn't come > in and think I was up to something seriously weird with their underwear > drawer) reading a good book (I take one everywhere I go). > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > Anyone can have dozens >> of strangers on their friends list if they so choose, but limit any entry to >> only a few select >> people if they want to. >> >> I started off on LJ by adding only people (adding to my 'friends list') with >> whom I had already >> communicated with on some level in 'normal' mailing lists like this one. >> Then, through them, I met >> others with whom I have common interests. I'm happy to say I've made some >> friends I would >> otherwise never have met, and have goten to know them and they me. Next year >> when I go to europe >> I'll have people whith whom I share a love of fine fabrics and costuming and >> with whom I can meet >> and go shopping! I can think of nothing better when visiting a strange >> country then to have >> somebody there who is not a complete stranger welcome me and show me wherethe >> 'locals' shop and >> eat. I'm looking forward to it a lot. :-) >> >> >> Bella >> >> >> >> --- Lavolta Press wrote: >> >> >>> Obviously many people on the net are into this, it's just not my cup of >>> tea. Ever since I graduated from college, I've spent at least 40 hours >>> a week communicating with people as a profession. That leaves me with >>> little interest in doing it recreationally. I learned long ago that if >>> I have a good idea or good information, some one will always pay me for >>> it. If it's not a good idea or good information, it's better just to >>> keep it to myself. I can't imagine telling strangers on the net all >>> about my "day," nor can I imagine why any of them would have the >>> slightest interest in any of my days, or in my feelings. >>> >>> Fran >> >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________ >> The LOST Ninja blog: Exclusive clues, clips and gossip. >> http://au.blogs.yahoo.com/lostninja >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 10 20:46:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B0kXmP021596 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:46:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6B0kRSK003329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:46:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B0jlX7052717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B0jgqf023805; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:45:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B0je3a023785 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 8so123167nzo for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:45:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=s3tk7h2/J8M7yqpf7UCfvL2xUQ3z7iyp/d/aIxbcS8o4pcU6IOWJQ65/YlvheWQzAcgjdojLFnoV2gEQ+LRwC4OsssHwqxCMw3VraW6Jqh8lKeQ5khfvPlGDUYRODrDqGTe3IA5dhZbaIJFQx6UDOhGdoCN1AF9FV3vsStv3Zgs= Received: by 10.65.177.8 with SMTP id e8mr5396730qbp; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e19sm6448962qba.2006.07.10.17.45.37; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <011701c6a483$5685fb10$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060706162318.53856.qmail@web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060706123445.0flpl68e80so8go8@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: friends (was Re: [h-cost] Re:bjarne Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:45:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:46:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B2F4E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> And Ruth Anne, I'm probably in the same age range as you. I consiously >> cultivate younger friends so when the older ones "leave us" I'll still >> have a bit of support...My grandmother taught me this. >> > > I don't know that I've ever thought about it, but that's a *really* good > idea! Not only that, but keeping up with the "younguns" helps keep you > young, too. And, from my "side" of things, keeping up with the "olduns" gives you a different perspective of life, too! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 01:47:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B5lNVX004489 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:47:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6B5lIcZ019863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:47:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B5k8VM096300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B5jmGk093337; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B5jiSK093173 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20060711054538b11002t5mge>; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 05:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: <44B33B01.1030501@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:45:37 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: friends (was Re: [h-cost] Re:bjarne References: <20060706162318.53856.qmail@web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060706123445.0flpl68e80so8go8@www.goldsword.com> <011701c6a483$5685fb10$0302a8c0@p4audrey> In-Reply-To: <011701c6a483$5685fb10$0302a8c0@p4audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 01:47:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B33B66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Audrey Bergeron-Morin wrote: >>> And Ruth Anne, I'm probably in the same age range as you. I >>> consiously cultivate younger friends so when the older ones "leave >>> us" I'll still have a bit of support...My grandmother taught me this. >>> >> >> I don't know that I've ever thought about it, but that's a *really* good >> idea! Not only that, but keeping up with the "younguns" helps keep you >> young, too. > > > And, from my "side" of things, keeping up with the "olduns" gives you > a different perspective of life, too! Absolutely. Age is nothing but a number; it doesn't reflect your soul. I've met quite a few mature 17- and 18-year-olds and some rather immature 50-year-olds. It's all who you decide to be. :) Marie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 11:56:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BFuW8A001456 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:56:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6BFuQCL022046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:56:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BFtD0n067123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BFsqFA055075; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6AJC9H0063414 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 90178 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jul 2006 19:12:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1J9nDstVeI0NjoM36S7gpt+fJ2KtHDfPjZjnRQGXbJReCaEAZef2t47TxROowtWEF/WS1bw18l4/qrFgl2O4a9mvct8fcFCLJ0RtYu/aKYEQTGcpCMiqLHAUOvajPNdKWSZb3FrZkEVuhPs0emoFehn95388hYFveOjKF9A44gI= ; Message-ID: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:12:04 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607101800.k6AI04QT003504@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6AJC9H0063414 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B3CA2B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'll chime in with a wooden nickel or two, for what it's worth. I've never gotten into that document every stitch diary thing. I am too busy thinking about the work I am doing, where it needs to go and how to get there to worry about where my camera is or accessing some convoluted file system (my husband set up my system, and thus is a reflection of his odd, uncommunicative mind... not very user friendly.) to tell everyone how my day's work went. I have people asking me to do it, but I am just not wired for it. I never kept up with a diary as a kid, I am lousy at sending letters - I have the attention span of a gnat even for email, for that matter. Occasionally I'll take a pic or two if it's something really bizarre or way left of the accepted centre. I would rather show someone in person, talk face to face and interact directly. That is when I really start flooding with ideas and information. My network is also to blame for my lack of readily available photographs; my camera software is in my husbands computer which is an Apple, thus I haven't the foggiest how things work. Asking him is like pulling hen's teeth so, I find myself very efficient in my photography. Have I found other's LJ and blogs useful and interesting? Occasionally. Do I tend to find a plethora of information I don't care about/need to know? Yes. I am with Dawn on this one, I keep my stuff on my website (which I can't even keep up to that - I have *years* of stuff that has to be put on there) which having to do all that technical schtuff to get it looking right and operating efficiently, one finds good reason to not post every last iota of thought onto it. All this quite ironic coming from a person who has a difficult time *not* talking for extended periods of time. ;-) Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 12:03:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BG3SpB001658 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:03:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6BG3NQP023575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:03:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BG2ktB068423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BG2f3Z062594; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6B0fcQB021780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.240] (209-148-118-240.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.240]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6B0faCV016547 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:41:37 -0700 Message-ID: <44B2F3C4.1050306@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 17:41:40 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:03:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B3CBCB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > If you don't like blogging why do you subscribe to this banal and boring > social and rather chatty costume list, and why did you choose to write this > rather long response? > > I suggest you stop wasting your time here and begin working on that long > list of books you want to write. It is not an insult if I express an opinion that you consider controversial, and which was in no way directed at you personally. I have no idea if you have a blog, but if you do I've never read it and so was not referring to it. It is not a personal insult if I say I prefer to read certain kinds of things and not others. I consider many types of books and periodicals a waste of time too. And if you disagree with me, it is not any valid kind of argument to claim you feel insulted or to try to claim I'm contradicting myself. And it's not a personal insult if I'm different from you. I subscribe to email lists for information, not chat or personal relationships. I don't read most of the emails in any of them. And you're free not to read mine if you consider them too long or too boring or whatever. It usually only takes me a few minutes to write a page of nonpublishable material, so it's not much investment on my part. It's not as if I edit and proofread it, or otherwise try to produce professional work. If I wrote a blog I'd feel obligated to do all that and it would take much too much time. Blog to your heart's content--it doesn't matter to me. I'm free not to read blogs. And you're free not to read my emails--that doesn't matter to me either. Filter them out via your email program or your ISP. I would be a better course than feeling insulted every time I disagree with you. And yes, I'm working on writing a book today. It's what I do every day. It's what I've done every day of my life, usually including weekends, ever since I graduated from college--unless I was working on a magazine or a technical manual. I just think it would be inane to post about it every time I finish a section or something. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 12:47:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BGl6aw003138 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:47:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6BGl1og008122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:47:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BGkAlF077061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:46:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BGk5Xh006157; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:46:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BGjxVg006041 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id u40so1673728ugc for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R6lUMCvk3QlkK4QCht7aZSuPl+xV6fsSvTp2lQga1sxpY03AP89wztnFNdcetY2a2ZoYDfh/PHhJPLLL22+Y50Gbo9nUyDrDVue5YssdywGENa4GnF/TC7WHDDSz9OeR90cHSA0JAOLzze9aXohwe/mPKdYUEtonIcAt5BbBFL8= Received: by 10.67.19.13 with SMTP id w13mr1267611ugi; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.95.5 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590607110945j568ba9b4wa0a4d87c37997c7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:45:58 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. In-Reply-To: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200607101800.k6AI04QT003504@net.indra.com> <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:47:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B3D605.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't much care to do a blog or read most of the blogs out there. I know they have their uses, like when my niece was studying in Germany and could post what was going on for the family at home. And occassionally I'll look at someone's dress diary if there's a direct link to something that peaks my interest. But in general I prefer to keep my plans to myself until I see how they're going to turn out and there's also a time thing. I can see where doing a blog would end up eating time that should otherwise be for doing one of my many projects. So while blogs are okay for other people, I can live without them. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 15:16:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BJGKBH009699 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6BJGEff029121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BJFFRk008507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BJEvuM053250; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:14:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BJEh6v053023 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:14:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060711191437011009g43ee>; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:14:37 +0000 In-Reply-To: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <76E84902-1C6D-4439-94EA-D758D67F33B7@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] What do you do? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:15:05 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B3F8FE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, Bjarne, For a costumer as enthusiastic as you have been, these sound like scary questions. I hope you are okay. What I've found is that friends and enthusiasms are cyclic -- actually I've found even depression is cyclic -- and that everything, including relationships and my mood, waxes and wanes. So I try, now in my middle age, not to make too much of the waning periods, not to do anything too extreme (like throwing out all my costumes or declaring a friendship truly over) on the basis of a low time. If I'm really bored with something, I put it away and mark in my notebook the date. If in a year I am still bored with it, I think about where it might be donated or given away so it could benefit somebody else. If I find myself thinking of a friend I haven't heard from in a long time, sometimes I drop them a note -- often, despite my previous bad behavior, they are surprisingly happy to hear from me! My family is too big a problem to get into on a public list, but let's just say I've put them away for a year or two at a time, too, and they were still there -- and just as big a problem -- when I got back to them. ;-) Do take care. Lauren On Jul 5, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > What do you do when you finally realise you dont want to reenact > anymore, and when your costumes gets bored to look at? > When alll your reenactment friends leaves you, and your family two? > What is left then? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 18:48:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BMmmqr018921 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:48:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6BMmgc9000341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:48:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BMgkaA040340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BMgGgl026575; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BMg9v0026488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6BMg0Ku015738 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:42:07 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57827.72.13.239.193.1152657727.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200607101800.k6AI04QT003504@net.indra.com> <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:48:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B42ACA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm another non-blogger. I think it would be sad if the information shared on this list was diminished because a majority decided to do blogs instead. I'm on a number of lists where occasionally someone will post a link to a blog or web page if they have posted something relevant or want to show a finished project. Also in most cases any comments are posted to the blog or personally to the individual rather than back to the list. A key phrase for me is "signal to noise ratio" — how much is posted that's of interest to me compared to other information? I might read a blog if I like someone's writing style, and then there are some that are just plain amazing: http://houseoffame.blogspot.com/ -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 19:56:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BNu8Jf021796 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6BNu27m005098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BNoc5N053536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BNoZVF075350; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:50:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BNoVvc075255 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.187.53]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060711235024.SMGC29309.fep06.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:50:24 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.10/385]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:50:27 +1200 Message-ID: <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:50:21 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:56:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B43A92.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have two lj's and am pretty open about why I started them and why I actually have two. I started my first one to record how I was dealing with a chronic debilitating illness. The fact was I couldn't write at the time but typing could be done without causing too much strain. I could also choose to go back and spell check if need be. I never did because very few people were reading it and I never expected many to even if they did stumble across my journal. I soon decided to make it friends only because I didn't want to bore many people about how the latest mouth ulcer was going and in fact so that no stranger who might be lurking would know when I was in a particularly vulnerable state. Pretty soon my costuming notes, outgrew my daily notes so I created a costume specific journal where I could nut out ideas and those who wondered how on earth we costumers actually work could see the whole process. You'd be surprised how helpful it is for those starting to see that those who do this regularly manage to deal with the cat or a child or simple working out a pattern piece. <> With many online journals you have a small client that runs in the background that you can just click on and type up a really brief note. This is the only reason I manage to keep up regularly. If I had to log in through the website and then upload photos every time it would languish like my written journals I started when I was younger. I'm not saying this would be useful for you, but even I didn't realise there was such an ability until about a year into having mine. At which time my updates suddenly increased. I find it a much more user friendly place. I can help far more people by giving them a quiet note in their journal than trumpeting across a huge list "you could/should have done it this way." In fact more people are willing to ask question in their own journals that fill up a list with talk on a minor subject. Probably because they have been scared off in the past for doing so. I find all the forms of communication online useful. There are nuggets of gold on all the lists and journals I am involved with. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/385 - Release Date: 11/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 20:25:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C0P5Q0022876 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:25:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6C0Oxsc027194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:25:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C0Jde2057855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C0Jb09092675; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6BM9qUc002340 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.127.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.127]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1G0QQR-0001rg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:09:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <76E84902-1C6D-4439-94EA-D758D67F33B7@comcast.net> References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <76E84902-1C6D-4439-94EA-D758D67F33B7@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FC91299-112A-11DB-AF7C-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:12:16 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:25:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B4415B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sure would like to hear from you, Bjarne. How are you doing? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 20:29:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C0TrOI023065 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:29:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6C0TlEn031058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:29:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C0NkiS058344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C0NjhF094973; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6C0NeIe094889 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 18:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26614 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 00:23:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e0YNFQR/VaSnw3VCuqHNpfy+XTV3zAIeQgb7O+u+ecBgMHdTETMyAbCa8VKIhh/7LhbImKQUoEXPl9nDPTa7G7X5l1oQ8IkwvVayf2lhQhrzHK7WKyUA/G8ERLhXOj0voI4zBqWodm94wAGEK5ZuO8IRmQaYtdC8e5woRsY26bk= ; Message-ID: <20060712002335.26612.qmail@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:23:35 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:29:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B4427B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You are a nuggest of gold in the online world, whatever forum, mailing list, or blog you may be using. I want to say Thank You for sharing what you've learned, and thereby teaching many of us along the way. Kimiko michaela wrote: I find all the forms of communication online useful. There are nuggets of gold on all the lists and journals I am involved with. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 11 23:29:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C3THAW030660 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:29:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6C3TBfL004867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:29:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C3SYaC081221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C3SPNX000576; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C3SL21000468 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.55d.2425e7c (60469) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM022-ec3544b46c4c266; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:28:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4FC91299-112A-11DB-AF7C-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> References: <004701c6a068$338190d0$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> <76E84902-1C6D-4439-94EA-D758D67F33B7@comcast.net> <4FC91299-112A-11DB-AF7C-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bjarne Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:28:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:29:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B46C87.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k6C3THAW030660 Status: RO Bjarne, Yes ! Please say Hi to all of us. We are concerned. Hope you are feeling better. Susan (USA) "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jul 11, 2006, at 6:12 PM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > Sure would like to hear from you, Bjarne. How are you doing? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 01:13:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C5DJOx002246 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:13:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6C5DDuZ002998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:13:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C5CDW4095942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C5C8Ja067516; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6C5C45N067400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G0X12-000208-5j; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:12:04 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:12:04 -0400 Message-ID: <20060712011204.pbe8u210ysk4480w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:12:04 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO I've got a copy of Blanch Payne. What's the best and/or the most commonly used text on historic costume? A friend was asking. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 06:04:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CA4lA4000359 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:04:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CA4fcw011665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:04:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CA44hR035094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CA3v19042103; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6CA3sj8042027 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57874 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2006 10:03:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lxpfSc8ZQed22r+WYjO8JAaNLOjzm2UBcUgQ8g7UyV3Iqn6vOy0JXF85dilVxA0dGYIOBiE2thSF90w0inrTILhLnKABygd4tKTmIiGX+S2ECXM5fknlOlWaNtIYWMHMmoVGIdHi5phAc/BA2bk3vzGKPXDLWwU7yGJtjowBJC0= ; Message-ID: <20060712100349.57872.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:03:49 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:04:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B4C939.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. Here are some pictures, including one "replica" which is being sold by realarmourofgod.com. http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom16.jpg http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom4.jpg http://art.allayers.com/images/large/kingdom_of_heaven4.jpg http://www.realarmorofgod.com/shop/popup_image.php/pID/597 The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). On the third link there is a picture of some cape which looks it could be the "neck thing". But I really don't know. What do you think? How would the pattern look like to make such a shape? Another question is the cape with sleeves (second and fourth link). It looks it has a large hood, but it isn't sure, and it seems that the hood and the body are from one piece - the hood isn't sewn to the garment. Am I right? Has someone seen the movie who can tell me? Perhaps it is possible there to see the back ot the garments? Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 08:21:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CCL8un026163 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:21:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CCL3Qe015580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:21:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CCKJEa049914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CCKFsJ015991; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CCKCcq015905 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.489.5836f39 (42808) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <489.5836f39.31e642f5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:20:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume texts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:21:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B4E92F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/12/2006 1:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: I've got a copy of Blanch Payne. What's the best and/or the most commonly used text on historic costume? Do you have the revised edition? It is probably as good as any of the general texts--they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The other standard text is Phyllis Tortora and Keith Eubanks, "Survey of Historic Costume" 2nd ed. from Fairchild Publications. Others might have different opinions but, of the readily available general survey texts, I think it is a toss up between these two. Another pretty good book, but unfortunately out of print, is Douglas Russell's "Costume History and Style" (Prentice-Hall, 1983). When I co-taught a class on period styles in the theatre dept., my fellow teacher (a set designer) really liked Russell because of his approach with decorative arts and also the way he chose to divide his material into periods. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 09:52:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CDqbcp030041 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:52:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CDqWKo015204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:52:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CDo6cB061440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CDo1dF076025; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.225.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CDnvX7075902 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 07:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mcschnoor@comcast.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (c-24-21-36-254.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.36.254]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20060712134952b1200pn335e>; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:49:52 +0000 Message-ID: <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:49:51 -0700 From: Marie Schnoor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> In-Reply-To: <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B4FEA0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO michaela wrote: >In fact more people are willing to ask question in their own journals that >fill up a list with talk on a minor subject. Probably because they have been >scared off in the past for doing so. > >I find all the forms of communication online useful. There are nuggets of >gold on all the lists and journals I am involved with. > >Michaela de Bruce >http://glittersweet.com > > I totally agree with you, Michaela. Thank you for sharing your personal story. Yours is a blog I enjoy reading. And, interestingly, enough, it's my circle of favorite blogs which keep me inspired when I get stuck in a project. More than once, I have e-mailed the owner of a blog and asked them about their thread choices, or their accessories, or whether or not to pre-wash something. I've always gotten a friendly response. I think some people are just naturally more open--I don't enjoy talking about the daily grind, but rather about my projects and what status they are in. As a self-taught seamstress, I find that open and friendly dialogue much, much more helpful than any high-level sewing book. Books are great for research, but it's rather hard to say, "Oi, book! Does this make my bum look big?" 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume texts References: <489.5836f39.31e642f5@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <489.5836f39.31e642f5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:07:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B50228.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > > In a message dated 7/12/2006 1:13:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: > >> I've got a copy of Blanch Payne. What's the best and/or the most >> commonly used text on historic costume? > > > > Do you have the revised edition? Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of "revided" anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! > It is probably as good as any of the > general texts--they all have their strengths and weaknesses. The > other standard > text is Phyllis Tortora and Keith Eubanks, "Survey of Historic Costume" 2nd > ed. from Fairchild Publications. Others might have different > opinions but, of > the readily available general survey texts, I think it is a toss up between > these two. Another pretty good book, but unfortunately out of print, is > Douglas Russell's "Costume History and Style" (Prentice-Hall, 1983). When I > co-taught a class on period styles in the theatre dept., my fellow > teacher (a set > designer) really liked Russell because of his approach with decorative arts > and also the way he chose to divide his material into periods. I've seen Russell -- and I do like his approach. I"ll have to take a gander at Tortora & Eubanks. Thanks! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 10:29:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CETag9031917 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:29:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CETVPu017956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:29:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CESdsg068496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:28:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CESYDn009171; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CESUht009058 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2d4.ab4350e (58677) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <2d4.ab4350e.31e660fe@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:28:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume texts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:29:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B5074B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/12/2006 8:11:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of "revised" anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! It was in print until last year, when it went out of print. I prefer it for my students because there is more historic content and it weighs less and is smaller (thinking of student back packs). However, the Eubank and Tortora book (which I feel is geared more toward the fashion designer than the costume designer-lots of 20th century) now comes with its own Power Point which is also Smart Board friendly and has a final page of Internet links which you can click on and bring up for the class if you have a smart board and/or your computer has an Internet connection. However, the Power Point lectures are skimpy in visual images so I added some from my own Power Point lectures. I'm feeling like it's time for a new text. Anyone out there up to the task? Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 11:49:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CFnoPp002695 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:49:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CFnihK027034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CFmrgs082609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CFmogK080839; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CFmjWo080656 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3276A6CA5 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44B519D6.1030904@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:48:38 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape References: <20060712100349.57872.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060712100349.57872.qmail@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B51A18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi all, > Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. Here are some pictures, including one "replica" which is being sold by realarmourofgod.com. > > http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom16.jpg > http://www.darkhorizons.com/2005/kingdom/kingdom4.jpg > http://art.allayers.com/images/large/kingdom_of_heaven4.jpg > http://www.realarmorofgod.com/shop/popup_image.php/pID/597 > > The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). My guess is it is like the guys in the background on the 2nd picture, a piece of fabric with a hole in it for the head. Hangs longer in the back, comes down to the chest in front. It's draped differently on a few people. Like a poncho. > On the third link there is a picture of some cape which looks it could be the "neck thing". The brown thing around his neck is a cowl/hood. This one looks like it is a circle with a hood attached to the center hole. The medieval equivalent of a hoodie. But I really don't know. What do you think? How would the pattern look like to make such a shape? > Another question is the cape with sleeves (second and fourth link). It looks it has a large hood, but it isn't sure, and it seems that the hood and the body are from one piece I doubt the hood was cut in one with the coat, there's almost certainly a seam around the neck area. You might be able to adapt something like Simplicity 9887. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 12:04:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CG49LA004287 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:04:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CG44b3029680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CG3Ep3085206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CG36Z3094545; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas5.coqui.net (avas5.coqui.net [196.28.61.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CG2xmg094304 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) Received: from adsl-72-50-26-169.prtc.net (HELO MAQUINA) ([72.50.26.169]) by avas5.coqui.net with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2006 12:02:53 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAF+5tESKKxQPKg X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,236,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="509716128:sNHT21788067" From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Siglo XVIII Spain Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:03:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c6a5cc$ac749230$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcalFApFTRErRBmJSq+/pDxMOqKW1QAuG5IA X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6CG2xmg094304 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:04:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B51D74.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Muchas gracias. Tambien busco modoas o vestuarios del pueblo comun, como obreros, esclavos, sirvientes,marinos, albañiles,etc del siglo xviii. JP -----Original Message----- From: Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez [mailto:ladycatalina@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 7:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Siglo XVIII Spain http://www.fundacionjakober.org/spain5.html Portraits of Carlos VI, Isabel II and Amadeus I should be a good jumping off point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_IV_of_Spain Infanta Eulalia www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp69533 Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 12:32:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CGWI1f005360 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:32:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CGWDUZ006070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:32:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CGVOnC090766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CGVGQQ021807; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas5.coqui.net (avas5.coqui.net [196.28.61.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CGV6tN021593 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) Received: from adsl-72-50-26-169.prtc.net (HELO MAQUINA) ([72.50.26.169]) by avas5.coqui.net with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2006 12:30:59 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACbAtESKKxQPKg X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,236,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="509748064:sNHT300534213" From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: , Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c6a5d0$99d3c110$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <200607111553.k6BFrofj054127@net.indra.com> thread-index: AcalAj7fsv/+CRHKSU+A9SIHOzAY4gAziJLA X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:32:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B5240D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Still looking for some XVIII century Spanish Non Court, nor nobility clothing like artisans, servants,etc. JP -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:54 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 13:34:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHYvFB008443 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CHYp0G026554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHXtf7000995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHXkeS079423; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:33:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHXHJp078962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.84] (209-148-118-84.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6CHXEFT018727 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:33:15 -0700 Message-ID: <44B5325F.7000207@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:33:19 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:34:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B532BB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I think some people are just naturally more open--I don't enjoy talking > about the daily grind, but rather about my projects and what status they > are in. As a self-taught seamstress, I find that open and friendly > dialogue much, much more helpful than any high-level sewing book. Books > are great for research, but it's rather hard to say, "Oi, book! Does > this make my bum look big?" That's just the difference between whether you prefer personal/emotional/socially supportive dialog or straight information without it. A great many sewing and wardrobe planning books will tell you things like, "Having large, bright flowers or wide horizontal stripes across the back of your pants is guaranteed to make your bum look large." And if you've got any doubt, consult a mirror. Information is one thing and social support is another. The two don't have to be connected by any means. Not everyone has a strong need for social support/approval. I agree that's what many blogs seem to be for, it just holds no interest for me personally. 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Status: RO Zuzana, Here's a link to another site selling reproductions of the costumes, including the cape in question: http://www.bytheswordinc.com/acatalog/Kingdom_of_Heaven_Clothing.html Apparently there was a documentary on the costumes on the 4-disk director's cut version of the movie: http://imdb.com/title/tt0815448/ Maybe you can rent it. HTH, Tea Rose Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape Hi all, Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 13:43:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHhFod008729 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:43:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CHh8lF029970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:43:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHgAca002334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHfxws087062; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHfcMx086709 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.386.7e6f7a7 (60452) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d48 (mblk-d48.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.232]) by ciaaol-r02.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR021-ec2444b53440178; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:41:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:41:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8C873F1855A877C-19AC-B84@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> From: tearoses@aol.com References: <200607121549.k6CFncXt081592@net.indra.com> Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.232) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:41:20 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200607121549.k6CFncXt081592@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 18735 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.232 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: kingdom of heaven X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B534AC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Zuzana, Here's a link to another site selling reproductions of the costumes, including the cape in question: http://www.bytheswordinc.com/acatalog/Kingdom_of_Heaven_Clothing.html Apparently there was a documentary on the costumes on the 4-disk director's cut version of the movie: http://imdb.com/title/tt0815448/ Maybe you can rent it. HTH, Tea Rose Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] kingdom of heaven: blue surcoat and cape Hi all, Someone has just asked me to make for him a costume from the Kingdom of heaven, the blue surcoat and the blue cape which Orlando B. is wearing. The thing I can't figure out is the cloak or something Orlando has around the neck (first picture). ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:32:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKWT2E014322 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:32:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKWOgV015259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:32:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKVVTA028239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKVKk7042994; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:31:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CEPbD9006512 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:25:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2de.9a21dbb (40520) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2de.9a21dbb.31e66056@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:25:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume texts To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B55C58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/12/2006 10:07:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of "revided" anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in print! The second edition came out in 1992, with revisions by Geitel Winakor and Jane Farrell-Beck. There is discussion about a third edition at some point. I believe the 1st ed. had patterns it it--am I remembering correctly? They are not in the 2nd ed. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:35:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKZjX4014454 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:35:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKZecq016851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:35:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKYsAx028847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:34:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKYo7i046115; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas5.coqui.net (avas5.coqui.net [196.28.61.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CGV6sv021586 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 10:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) Received: from adsl-72-50-26-169.prtc.net (HELO MAQUINA) ([72.50.26.169]) by avas5.coqui.net with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2006 12:30:59 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CACbAtESKKxQPKg X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,236,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="509748064:sNHT300534213" From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: , Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:31:17 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c6a5d0$99d3c110$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <200607111553.k6BFrofj054127@net.indra.com> thread-index: AcalAj7fsv/+CRHKSU+A9SIHOzAY4gAziJLA X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:35:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B55D1C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Still looking for some XVIII century Spanish Non Court, nor nobility clothing like artisans, servants,etc. JP -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:54 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Send h-costume mailing list submissions to h-costume@mail.indra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to h-costume-request@mail.indra.com You can reach the person managing the list at h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:37:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKbdX2014538 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:37:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKbXJ5003966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKb2bm029296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKawUO048023; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:36:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CI5Cxm008504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [132.198.93.38] (ip093038.uvm.edu [132.198.93.38]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6CI59tI002614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <44B539D4.9040206@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:05:08 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> <44B5325F.7000207@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <44B5325F.7000207@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:37:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B55D8D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran wrote: Not everyone has a strong need for > social support/approval. I agree that's what many blogs seem to be for, > it just holds no interest for me personally. I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that we recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal organization. While bookmarking sites like del.icio.us are great at helping you organize your bookmarks, blogs can help you in a slightly different way. While blog posts are generally organized chronologically, and you can organize them by category, at the heart of blogging systems is a search engine. So, one way to use a blog is as a storage place for items or articles you find online, to which you can add your comments. Rather than keeping a long list of indecipherable bookmarks in the bookmark file of your browser (and if you use one than one browser or computer this can be a pain), a blog can store your bookmarks, your comments about those bookmarks, and some additional keywords or terms on which you would like to be able to search in future. When you want to go back and find that wonderful article on such-and-such or that beautiful image of that fantastic gown, a quick search of your blog will probably turn it up faster than any other way. Very handy indeed, and you need never use it for publishing your innermost secrets! - Hope --------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:39:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKdVYH014619 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:39:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKdQY5018487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:39:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKcc7B029596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKcbtg049458; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CJp8hl007253 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k6CJp74O003370 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:51:07 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.89.33] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-89-33.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.89.33]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CJp2o6166622 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:51:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060712124520.027232f0@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 12:46:05 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... 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Status: RO >These are the winners in the [in]famous Bulwer-Lytton >Fiction Contest.... a contest for the worst opening line to a novel ever. The link was dead, and searching on the SJState web page didn't turn up anything under Bulwer-Lytton. Now what? CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:46:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKkuOR014884 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:46:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKkpmo021171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKk7bB030799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:46:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKk5T0056048; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKjnF1055799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.201] (209-148-118-201.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.201]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6CKjlf0007988 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:45:48 -0700 Message-ID: <44B55F7B.2010804@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:45:47 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... References: <4.3.1.2.20060712124520.027232f0@mail.frys.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060712124520.027232f0@mail.frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B55FBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Their home page is: http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/ I won the Children's Literature category in 2004, which was the first time I entered, after which I decided to retire from it with my honor? ?? intact. This year's lot of winners is exceptionally good (and rather clothing-oriented in places). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: > >> These are the winners in the [in]famous Bulwer-Lytton >> Fiction Contest.... a contest for the worst opening line to a novel ever. > > > The link was dead, and searching on the SJState web page didn't turn up > anything under Bulwer-Lytton. Now what? > > > CarolynKayta Barrows > dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian > www.FunStuft.com > > ///\\\\\ > ////-@@\\\ > (((( 7 ))) > )(( <> ))( > * ) ( * > /----\ /---\ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:47:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKl81r014896 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:47:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKl3gM022105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:47:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKj9k7030657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKj5lQ055200; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKj01M055041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:45:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G0lZq-0000EH-7y; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:44:58 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:44:58 -0400 Message-ID: <20060712164458.eh5wz783o080c8go@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:44:58 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume texts References: <2de.9a21dbb.31e66056@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <2de.9a21dbb.31e66056@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:47:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B55FC7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting AnnBWass@aol.com: > > In a message dated 7/12/2006 10:07:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: > > Probably not, it's the 1965 edition -- and there's no mention of > "revided" anywhere in that front matter. (I know that there's a term > for it, I just don't know what it is!) I had no idea it was still in > print! > > > > The second edition came out in 1992, with revisions by Geitel Winakor and > Jane Farrell-Beck. There is discussion about a third edition at some point. > > I believe the 1st ed. had patterns it it--am I remembering correctly? They > are not in the 2nd ed. There are indeed patterns in my book. They're like 1/16th scale ... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 16:49:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKnbQP014973 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:49:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CKnW3X026989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:49:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKmhBR031121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKmcuv058143; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CKmWe1057967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G0lcv-0000Yg-Ij; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:48:09 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:48:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20060712164809.04iujp0w84kos088@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:48:09 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> <44B5325F.7000207@lavoltapress.com> <44B539D4.9040206@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <44B539D4.9040206@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:49:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B5605C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Hope Greenberg : > > I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that > we recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal > organization. While bookmarking sites like del.icio.us are great at > helping you organize your bookmarks, blogs can help you in a slightly > different way. While blog posts are generally organized > chronologically, and you can organize them by category, at the heart > of blogging systems is a search engine. So, one way to use a blog is > as a storage place for items or articles you find online, to which > you can add your comments. Now *that* I didn't know -- and that's a big plus right now. I use 3 different computers with 3 different sets of bookmarks. *sigh* Granted, the set on the laptop is probably the best organized, it's my primary machine, but still .... Does anybody know of any good bookmark management tools? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 17:01:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CL1FOV015360 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:01:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CL19YL028883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CL0SAD033148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CL0MAI068401; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CL0IDP068327 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:00:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=GwU7To9pRZa1H5nuwd0bnUIh4B+vzhNJaicu7/1T6n64HSLsDaRUXNw8UxfVY9nU; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.25] (helo=mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G0log-0005dg-6w for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:00:18 -0400 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:00:17 -0400 Message-ID: <19795712.1152738017888.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:00:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c2800d26cb73f6dcde990316ac0667c09350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.25 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:01:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B56315.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Fran wrote: > Not everyone has a strong need for >> social support/approval. I agree that's what many blogs seem to be for, >> it just holds no interest for me personally. I have two: one LiveJournal, for miscellaneous ramblings on how I'm doing personally, and another on Blogspot, which is for articles related to my research. The LiveJournal one I started mostly because several of my friends are on LJ, and it seemed like a good place to put the occasional blather about weather in the Central Valley, the health of my cat, what I saw on my trip to England this year, and other stuff that would mostly be of interest to family and close friends. It's a way of letting that small audience know how I'm doing without having to write each one individually. The Paternosters blog (http://paternosters.blogspot.com) is something I started to force myself to sit down and WRITE about my research on the history of rosary beads. For about a year and a half I was producing one to two articles a week; it got sidetracked somehow after my England trip this spring and I haven't gotten back to it, but I certainly have not run out of things to talk about. I find that writing gives me more ideas about things to research and write about, and I've learned a lot in the process. I like it also because it's somewhere to post the answers to FAQs and anything else I want to make available, and yet it's simple to maintain just by sitting down and typing something; I don't have to create or configure entire Web pages to hold the information. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 17:06:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CL6bFZ015548 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:06:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CL6WkK029019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:06:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHYqCS001184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHYnlX080509; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:34:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CHXWks079103 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.563.1b3ca65 (30739) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <563.1b3ca65.31e68c5d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:33:17 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:06:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B56458.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO ....not to pass on. These are the winners in the [in]famous Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest.... a contest for the worst opening line to a novel ever. Enjoy everyone! _http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2006.htm_ (http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2006.htm) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 17:20:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CLK60U016072 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:20:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6CLJxeP002124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:20:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CLJPPg036608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CLJNL4085179; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6CLJGD4084997 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.20]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:19:11 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:19:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:19:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.250.156.248] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44B539D4.9040206@uvm.edu> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:19:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2006 21:19:10.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[D12C6D60:01C6A5F8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B5677F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that we >recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal organization. I don't have a blog or LJ as yet, despite 5 years nagging (erm, I mean encouraging) from my children, But lately I have considered it so I could have a place to put thoughts that I want to follow up on AND THAT I CAN FIND THE NEXT TIME I LOOK FOR IT! I have journalled for many years (or tried to) but paper copies get misplaced. I always know where LJ is. My kids assure me that I can keep it locked and allow "friends only", meaning nobody if I wish it. I like options in organizational strategies! 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Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 17:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B569C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting zelda crusher : > > > >> I'd like to recommend the use of blogs for another reason, one that >> we recommend to our faculty and students quite often: personal >> organization. > > I don't have a blog or LJ as yet, despite 5 years nagging (erm, I > mean encouraging) from my children, But lately I have considered it > so I could have a place to put thoughts that I want to follow up on > AND THAT I CAN FIND THE NEXT TIME I LOOK FOR IT! *snicker* You should see the folder of "to-Do lists" that I have! I contemplate typing them up and organizing them from time to time ..... > I have journalled for many years (or tried to) but paper copies get > misplaced. I always know where LJ is. My kids assure me that I can > keep it locked and allow "friends only", meaning nobody if I wish it. > I like options in organizational strategies! Yeah -- my son is an LJer too. Don't know if he'd "friend" me or not (he's just turned 18) ... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 22:47:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2lDg2026650 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:47:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6D2l8l4004727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:47:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2kOeu081302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2kJgh018340; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2kFrc018295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (wllstn-cuda2-24-53-127-86.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [24.53.127.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6D2k1pl028122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:46:15 -0400 Message-ID: <44B5B2C7.5060705@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:41:11 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> <44B5325F.7000207@lavoltapress.com> <44B539D4.9040206@uvm.edu> <20060712164809.04iujp0w84kos088@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060712164809.04iujp0w84kos088@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B5B42C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > Does anybody know of any good bookmark management tools? There are a couple of social bookmarking sites. I use http://del.icio.us (all about it here: http://del.icio.us/help/) The advantages are several: - your bookmarks are stored online so it doesn't matter what computer you are using, you will always have access to them - the tags (keywords) you use to describe your bookmarks get compiled into the entire system so you and people who use the same tags as you can find things you have bookmarked--spreading the work and the wealth, as it were (i's called building "folksonomies", i.e taxonomies or naming conventions determined by the people who use them instead of by an authority) - if you use the Firefox web browser (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/) there is an add-on that works with del.icio.us that let's you add a button to your toolbar so you can add bookmarks with the click of a mouse - you can build a network of people with whom you want to share bookmarks, and they can share their bookmarks with you - and then there are the cool things related to RSS that let you pour your bookmarks into your blog and such--but let's not get carried away... We now return you to your regularly scheduled sewing... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 22:56:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2uAlQ026884 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:56:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6D2u40u025223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:56:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2tJNl082287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2tIag024050; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2tGxQ023970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G0rMC-0003Ky-Pi; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:55:16 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:55:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20060712225516.pyird08a804ssgso@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:55:16 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. References: <20060710191204.90176.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <003101c6a544$c916c670$0301010a@michaela> <44B4FDFF.5070002@comcast.net> <44B5325F.7000207@lavoltapress.com> <44B539D4.9040206@uvm.edu> <20060712164809.04iujp0w84kos088@www.goldsword.com> <44B5B2C7.5060705@uvm.edu> In-Reply-To: <44B5B2C7.5060705@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:56:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B5B644.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Hope Greenberg : > > > Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> Does anybody know of any good bookmark management tools? > > There are a couple of social bookmarking sites. I use http://del.icio.us > (all about it here: http://del.icio.us/help/) The advantages are several: thanks! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 22:57:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2vKbH026935 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:57:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6D2vEoM014639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2ukqw082453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:56:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2uj3r025011; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web.vaxxine.com (web.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D2ufKC024938 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:56:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc ([209.5.212.16]) by web.vaxxine.com (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k6D2wqYH211512 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:58:53 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: Received: from ppp35.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net (alderweb@ppp35.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.35]) by slipstream2 (SlipStream SP Server 4.0.193 built 2005/12/15 17:19:52 -0500 (EST)); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:52:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Originating-IP: [209.5.232.35] X-Originating-User: [alderweb] Message-ID: From: "david webb" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005401c6a5d0$99d3c110$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:56:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:57:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B5B68A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Have you checked out any art books about Goya? Or try Googling "Goya" in Images. Or Spanish art galleries. Wasn't he active late 18th century and early 19th c.? Sheridan ----- Original Message ----- From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 > Still looking for some XVIII century Spanish Non Court, nor nobility > clothing like artisans, servants,etc. > JP > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of h-costume-request@indra.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:54 AM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 > > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 23:25:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3PWBR027818 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:25:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6D3PR6f015538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3OLjo085845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3OKdS042416; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:24:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6D3OGU1042315 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77409 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2006 03:24:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LtP5Pi0U0MrJzkPpdrQZKWikBL2bDrP8TAQxAnB6W49iIYsGlezu+SPCtVxckqU4jNZqSu63giUdcP+9eWB+jwumh/T8HU/cJpXcF8LnTguubJ7m191NMkPwmY2zApCjdd11YYlDu7zwoTiKhFAkjGZ8VYJKAsqnoeBK+nH8DG4= ; Message-ID: <20060713032411.77407.qmail@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:24:11 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT: LJ/ blogspot/Yahoo360 etc. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <44B5B2C7.5060705@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B5BD27.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am just starting to use this system as well, and it is taking awhile for me to input every bookmark I have, and add in the tags, notes, etc. It will take me a bit of work over some time, but it looks like it is worth doing. But I wanted to comment that the Firefox add on has also been put into the Explorer system as well, as that is what I use. Kimiko Hope Greenberg wrote: - if you use the Firefox web browser (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/) there is an add-on that works with del.icio.us that let's you add a button to your toolbar so you can add bookmarks with the click of a mouse --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 12 23:50:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3oGCK028636 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:50:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6D3oAJG006801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:50:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3naEN088591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3nWvr058332; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6D3nS5t058285 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:49:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ACCB5344D9 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:49:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 523 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 22:49:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 12 Jul 2006 23:50:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B5C2F2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes he was. I posted a url to his paintings. De -----Original Message----- Have you checked out any art books about Goya? Or try Googling "Goya" in Images. Or Spanish art galleries. Wasn't he active late 18th century and early 19th c.? Sheridan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 11:36:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DFa9lM023545 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:36:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DFa39b024633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:36:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DFZFN6073044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DFZ5AQ006971; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52109.mail.yahoo.com (web52109.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.112]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6DFZ2hC006769 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 30005 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2006 15:34:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uQn8AnWbCLpAiguZiv/62OYpPaQ3018OSJUR9ZR3ZYNnSN7hgdCBLF4Ste1WuN7ogLMSKYtU40GzfpjC+pV8LBYjZyT1TH5/PYFrm1Y7m5qhM3ggyuoewsY/nK/4iMWYOEO+LG3qjGnO6nTnSN3ICDa22fdG0hVKB34wtkLWpfQ= ; Message-ID: <20060713153456.30003.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:56 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:34:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6DFZ2hC006769 Subject: [h-cost] OT-Architecture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B66863.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone have a close up of the Santa Maria delle Vergini arch found in "Virgins of Venice", now attached to the Arsenal? I've tried googling all of the above and can't find a large enough copy. I would like to take a close look at the inscription plaque. Thanks! Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. Its never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 14:29:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DITWHF031825 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:29:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DITQGe024929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIRwP7099410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIRpKN081074; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIRi39080942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18209 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G15ue-00014C-Fu for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:27:48 -0500 Message-ID: <053e01c6a6aa$075c2bd0$c200a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060712124520.027232f0@mail.frys.com> <44B55F7B.2010804@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > I won the Children's Literature category in 2004, which was the first > time I entered ... So what was your winning opening line? My mind, it inquires. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 14:45:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIjVZx032411 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:45:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DIjQdq024580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:45:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIikcZ001867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIig9e096717; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DIidxE096653 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ECCDA36DCE for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:44:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT-Architecture Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:44:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060713153456.30003.qmail@web52109.mail.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:45:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B694C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO No but from a person that seems to have seen it, it says "Hope and love keep us in this pleasant prison" -----Original Message----- Does anyone have a close up of the Santa Maria delle Vergini arch found in "Virgins of Venice", now attached to the Arsenal? I've tried googling all of the above and can't find a large enough copy. I would like to take a close look at the inscription plaque. Thanks! Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 15:33:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DJX6Vq002821 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:33:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DJWut5002710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:33:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DJWHBZ008099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DJW7WB042092; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:32:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DJW1ph041999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.74] (209-148-118-74.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.74]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6DJVxt1003157 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: <44B69FB3.7080702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 12:32:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... References: <4.3.1.2.20060712124520.027232f0@mail.frys.com> <44B55F7B.2010804@lavoltapress.com> <053e01c6a6aa$075c2bd0$c200a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <053e01c6a6aa$075c2bd0$c200a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:33:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B69FE8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO It's on some websites, including: http://face.centosprime.com/wordpress/2004/08/25/2004-bulwer-lytton-contest-winners/ http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2004.htm Fran E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > >> I won the Children's Literature category in 2004, which was the first >> time I entered ... > > > So what was your winning opening line? My mind, it inquires. > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 16:28:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKSju9004802 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:28:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DKSdrI027442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKRUgG018994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKRQ2u095599; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKRI5L095454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:27:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:18820 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G17mM-0008Iv-AI for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:27:22 -0500 Message-ID: <057001c6a6ba$baa23bc0$c200a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4.3.1.2.20060712124520.027232f0@mail.frys.com> <44B55F7B.2010804@lavoltapress.com><053e01c6a6aa$075c2bd0$c200a8c0@compaqub> <44B69FB3.7080702@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... 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Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > It's on some websites, including: > http://face.centosprime.com/wordpress/2004/08/25/2004-bulwer-lytton-contest-winners/ > http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2004.htm I like it! (For those who click on the link, it's about 1/3 of the way down the page on the 1st link.) -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 16:42:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKgDF3005242 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:42:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DKg6aX007669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKfI57021914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKfEhm012377; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DKf8Ps012108 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.564.1d585b4 (29679) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:40:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <564.1d585b4.31e809d7@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:40:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/13/2006 2:29:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, formfunc@formfunction.org writes: So what was your winning opening line? My mind, it inquires. I wanted to know, too. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 17:56:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DLud1V009461 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:56:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DLuY5Q026308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:56:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DLsWlg037372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:54:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DLsSD8079179; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:54:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DLsOUu079109 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AFBD8DEC036C; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:48:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Really OT! 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Status: RO Wonderful! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:32 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... It's on some websites, including: http://face.centosprime.com/wordpress/2004/08/25/2004-bulwer-lytton-contest- winners/ http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2004.htm Fran E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > > >> I won the Children's Literature category in 2004, which was the first >> time I entered ... > > > So what was your winning opening line? My mind, it inquires. > > -E House > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 18:11:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DMBPAn010134 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:11:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DMBKvR002419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:11:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DMAePT039641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DMAcX9093481; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:10:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DMAXd2093394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:10:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.115] (209-148-118-115.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.115]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6DMAVOA032643 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:10:32 -0700 Message-ID: <44B6C4DB.9090203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:10:35 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... 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Status: RO I don't like it as much as this year's old woman who lived in a shoe, actually. Fran Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Wonderful! > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:32 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Really OT! But too funny.... > > > It's on some websites, including: > > http://face.centosprime.com/wordpress/2004/08/25/2004-bulwer-lytton-contest- > winners/ > > http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2004.htm > > Fran > > > E House wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" >> >> >>>I won the Children's Literature category in 2004, which was the first >>>time I entered ... >> >> >>So what was your winning opening line? My mind, it inquires. >> >>-E House >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 19:28:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNStXe013335 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:28:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DNSnge021379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNQSJD051944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNQMOK055121; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNQIXh055014 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.24]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:26:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:26:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:26:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.188.104] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607121800.k6CI0BYE003622@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:26:10 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2006 23:26:13.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB259330:01C6A6D3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 526 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B6D731.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Goya es el único pintor que sé quién pintó temas comunes. La Infanta Catalina es único que la retratan con un criado. Usted debe también mirar el trabajo de Jose de Alcibar. Él vivió en México, pero mucho de su trabajo estaba para los patrónes españoles. Los retratos fueron desalentados a veces por la inquisición durante el siglo XVIII. -The Inquisition occasionally took the position that portraits were vainglorious and a sin, so a lot of painters limited themselves to religious subjects. For clothing of commoners and servants, almost the only source would be background figures in religious paintings. Jose de Alcibar was a talented Mexican painter who received a lot of commisions from Wealthy Spaniards. At least one portrait of his did find it's way into a public museum.- Catalina nunca sin mi vino > >Muchas gracias. Tambien busco modoas o vestuarios del pueblo comun, como >obreros, esclavos, sirvientes,marinos, albañiles,etc del siglo xviii. >JP > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 19:43:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNhpLa014004 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:43:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6DNhjZ7010495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:43:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNhCuR054001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNhAXo067333; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6DNgrAD067065 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.37]) by bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:42:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:42:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:42:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.188.104] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607111800.k6BI0IqY078356@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:42:43 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2006 23:42:47.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BC21A00:01C6A6D6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Costuming/ Re-enacting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:43:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B6DAB1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The longer I was involved in costuming toe more interested I became in the people I had seen in portraits. Who were their parents? Why did they choose to be portrayed in a certain type of clothing? How were they related or not related to their contemporaries? Some of these questions can never be answered. But in looking for the answers I met whole new groups of people who became my friends. Some times people who are friends will grow in different directions. But eventually there will be new friends to fit in with, who may not have shared any common interests a few years ago. In my case, it usually ended up circling back to a new area of costuming research. I think no one could have forseen the chain of researches that led from 16th century Spain to Bronze Age Celt. But every so often everyone needs a rest. Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 20:53:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E0r7X8019419 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:53:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6E0r1l8006460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E0qIW1061511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E0qEBQ014296; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E0qAiT014196 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4bc.48c82ad (63000) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:52:01 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <4bc.48c82ad.31e844b1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:52:01 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Half OT: Project Runway X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B6EAED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO So...what did y'all think of this years crop and their 1st project? BTW...I love this show. I'm not really interested in fashion except in an historic/character kinda way, but I always love to see creative people come up with amazing things. This is why you all should watch this show on Bravo. Even the 1st designers to be eliminated are worth seeing. And of course as it gets down to the nitty gritty, things heat up. And I surely do not always agree with the judges. I especially get annoyed when they accuse someone of creating a costume....but let gowns slip by, and even win, that one could wear to a 1935 or 1942 party and not raise an eyebrow. We'll see how this years mom of 5 does, since all I see are 1920s clothes from her. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 13 21:51:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E1pNgt021170 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:51:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6E1pHsv021236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:51:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E1ogxQ070078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E1oYGR053932; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6E1oV7a053809 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J2D00B80EET45E0@mta8.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:50:19 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Costuming/ Re-enacting In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:51:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B6F895.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That is how I got interested in Eleonora of Toledo. I saw her tiny B&W portrait in Davenport and later a muchlarger color pic. I was hooked. Now I'm writing a book (novel) on her and Cosimo, her husband. The research has been an amazing experience. Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:43 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Costuming/ Re-enacting The longer I was involved in costuming toe more interested I became in the people I had seen in portraits. Who were their parents? Why did they choose to be portrayed in a certain type of clothing? How were they related or not related to their contemporaries? Some of these questions can never be answered. But in looking for the answers I met whole new groups of people who became my friends. Some times people who are friends will grow in different directions. But eventually there will be new friends to fit in with, who may not have shared any common interests a few years ago. In my case, it usually ended up circling back to a new area of costuming research. I think no one could have forseen the chain of researches that led from 16th century Spain to Bronze Age Celt. But every so often everyone needs a rest. Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 14:17:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIHv7g026155 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:17:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EIHpjp012564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:17:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIGx9n097797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIGlcG053013; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:16:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIGitk052892 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from Mischele ([68.106.129.197]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with SMTP id <20060714181638.UXNG2018.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@Mischele> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:16:38 -0400 Message-ID: <012201c6a771$a52b9e00$c5816a44@Mischele> From: "Lyonet" To: References: <200607141800.k6EI08e1037185@net.indra.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:16:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Late 1500's Polish garb X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:17:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B7DFCF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Is there an egroup or yahoo group that caters to late 1500's Polish Garb? Maybe I am looking under the incorrect name. Anyone know? Thanks in advance, Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 14:38:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIcg3u026836 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:38:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EIca4K014855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:38:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIc5oA002912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIc1uU072270; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:38:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIbsGg072096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G1SXw-0007qD-T0; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:37:52 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:37:52 -0400 Message-ID: <20060714143752.uweux1wxwks44cc4@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:37:52 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Late 1500's Polish garb References: <200607141800.k6EI08e1037185@net.indra.com> <012201c6a771$a52b9e00$c5816a44@Mischele> In-Reply-To: <012201c6a771$a52b9e00$c5816a44@Mischele> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:38:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B7E4AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Quoting Lyonet : > Is there an egroup or yahoo group that caters to late 1500's Polish Garb? > Maybe I am looking under the incorrect name. I don't know if it will be what you want or not, but I think that there's a "slavic interest group" Kass McGann has men's patterns for that period, but I don't think that there are any womens. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 14:55:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EItsIv027450 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EItnpR020266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIt8Y3005154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIt4th087975; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:55:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EIsx2Z087893 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:55:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3713B36AA9 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:54:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Late 1500's Polish garb Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <012201c6a771$a52b9e00$c5816a44@Mischele> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:55:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B7E8B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Maybe one of these groups can help. http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=Renaissance+poland -----Original Message----- Is there an egroup or yahoo group that caters to late 1500's Polish Garb? Maybe I am looking under the incorrect name. Anyone know? Thanks in advance, Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 15:28:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJSGaV028759 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:28:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EJSAg5011819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:28:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJPS09009276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJPLCc016627; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJP4fj016420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id E9D7884A46; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1427A84A20 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:24:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:24:50 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <200607141800.k6EI08e1037185@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B7F04A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO As there seem to be quite a few on this list who expressed concern, I thought you would like to know I've been in communication with Bjarne. He asked me to send along his assurances he is well and not to worry. I told him about all your lovely emails, and he is genuinely touched and wished me to convey that. I would ask that you respect his privacy. When he feels able he will likely be back. Not to worry. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 15:48:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJmIq8029467 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:48:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EJmCxX004040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:48:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJlVkj012538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:47:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJlS7x036070; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:47:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EJlOVb035939 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.394.7a094f1 (60461) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-r04.mx.aol.com (v110.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR042-ec2d44b7f4c121; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:47:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:47:12 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:48:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B7F4FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k6EJmIq8029467 Status: RO Thanks for the update. i was concerned. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jul 14, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > As there seem to be quite a few on this list who expressed concern, > I thought you would like to know I've been in communication with > Bjarne. He > asked me to send along his assurances he is well and not to worry. I > told > him about all your lovely emails, and he is genuinely touched and > wished me > to convey that. > > I would ask that you respect his privacy. When he feels able he > will > likely be back. Not to worry. > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted > cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 16:42:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EKgtHF031521 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:42:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EKgnJ5019834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EKg5aU020457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EKdBW5082008; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52103.mail.yahoo.com (web52103.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.106]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6EKarZB080249 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:39:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 80393 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jul 2006 20:36:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3z3gmOOVpH1xazyDRQwVYXeT3CKJgpFWU93V69+w9I4Rr7bKqMVS6rksAI06hkRn/hqJNqTiTABlAgc6iYP3RkIHuu2lrhXNW6dfIxn2j5F24t+5AObl/tgjwvJVnGZGlQFkeRhX79BOpgo3Vv8k9mBbA2Ie4JiiLLIaOVEPLwY= ; Message-ID: <20060714203647.80391.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [72.57.170.28] by web52103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:36:47 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607141800.k6EI08e0037185@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT-Architecture (otsisto) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:42:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B801C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have the book which contains that translation. That's the problem, I want to see it in Italian, preferably the actual plaque. I have a bent sense of humour, and want to work it into a design element of a trompe l'oeil project I am working on. Kathy 2. RE: OT-Architecture (otsisto) No but from a person that seems to have seen it, it says "Hope and love keep us in this pleasant prison" -----Original Message----- Does anyone have a close up of the Santa Maria delle Vergini arch found in "Virgins of Venice", now attached to the Arsenal? I've tried googling all of the above and can't find a large enough copy. I would like to take a close look at the inscription plaque. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 18:16:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EMGcdp002466 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:16:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6EMGWCR001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:16:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EMFrWq033175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EMFkaJ069591; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6EMFgCY069536 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-198.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.198]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6EMFd3N006613 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b201c6a793$090c25e0$2f02a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:14:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B817C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh, I'm *so* glad that he's ok! My worry button was pushed in a major way...but then again, my family tells me that worrying is my job. :-) With regards, kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne > As there seem to be quite a few on this list who expressed concern, > I thought you would like to know I've been in communication with Bjarne. > He > asked me to send along his assurances he is well and not to worry. I told > him about all your lovely emails, and he is genuinely touched and wished > me > to convey that. > > I would ask that you respect his privacy. When he feels able he will > likely be back. Not to worry. > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 14 22:52:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6F2qAFQ011442 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:52:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6F2q4i4016053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:52:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6F2pEbc062936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6F2p4mk043796; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailout16.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail128.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.128]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6F2oxFD043760 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:51:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=6M01kv=BA=benchite.com=megan@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from scan05.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.235] helo=scan05.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout16.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1G1aF9-0006xb-8f for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:50:59 -0400 Received: from authsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.13] ident=exim) by scan05.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1G1aF9-000339-6D for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:50:59 -0400 Received: from authsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.13] helo=authsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1G1aF7-000336-3p for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:50:57 -0400 Received: from 72-255-11-173.client.stsn.net ([72.255.11.173] helo=[192.168.0.65]) by authsmtp13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1G1aF6-000483-PZ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:50:57 -0400 Message-ID: <44B8580D.6020402@benchite.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:50:53 -0400 From: Megan McHugh User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne References: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: aee0812f62e51b1daca100f4a85e249e:b9330c256c7a49b4fc210418bef22946 X-EN-AuthUser: mmchugh X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:52:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B85854.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > As there seem to be quite a few on this list who expressed concern, > I thought you would like to know I've been in communication with Bjarne. He > asked me to send along his assurances he is well and not to worry. I told > him about all your lovely emails, and he is genuinely touched and wished me > to convey that. > > I would ask that you respect his privacy. When he feels able he will > likely be back. Not to worry. > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > Thank you. I was getting very worried about him, myself. Glad to hear he is ok. > -Megan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 15 11:12:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FFCvuD016522 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:12:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6FFCpF0017230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FFBg3P065504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:11:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FFBZ7c068871; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FFBWVg068834 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 09:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x30so115794nfb for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:11:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=liXIus9bZzA/grXuYmWeA5+h9sj8diNOl72Zd9yKW2ESKu3eZlQaoy1gfIaGvCFsxphVHhMENSqsxZGlILGwuvmztR4LVNhGPUkHqpuoV9dkyqs02BhTMcEOFxmhWodyBQmXJVS80IzZ6i3XTI2MomhMmWK9KpjgvZ+mbyyXXyg= Received: by 10.48.80.20 with SMTP id d20mr491486nfb; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.30.7 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0607150811u34fdb189p84f2e75f9f0510d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:11:31 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne In-Reply-To: <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200607141800.k6EI08e1037185@net.indra.com> <000e01c6a77b$368faf40$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 11:12:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B905F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you for the update. It's good to know he's okay. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 15 18:49:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FMnA4r009925 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:49:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6FMn2iN021497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:49:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FMmFEK030030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:48:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FMm3hR036544; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6FMm0Ao036466 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net ([162.40.179.72]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060715224752.AQA3092.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:47:52 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.72]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20060715224752.JDWZ26788.ispmxaamta04-gx.alltel.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060715174647.0263acc0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:47:42 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg Textiles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:49:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B970DE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My copy of the Oseberg Textiles book arrived today. I have just finished my first pass through, looking at the illustrations and reading the English summary in the back. I am extremely happy with it. It contains much that I have not seen before (even though I also have the Sofie Kraft book of her watercolors). There is only a small amount on costume in it... most textiles being identified as decorative and furnishings. In addition to the tapestry woven textiles are extensive sections on the tablet woven bands, embroidery (identified as Anglo-Saxon) and silks.The book itself is large folio in a binding matching that of the other volumes of the Oseberfundet published many years ago. For a book of this size and value (and a limited print run of only 1200 copies), I consider it a worthwhile purchase. I expect that it will be awhile before it is available via inter-library loan. The book may be ordered directly from the Kulturhistorisk Museum in Oslo, price: NOK 1100 (including shipping) but must be paid in Norwegian Kroners. In USA: Contact Fred Struthers fsbks AT mcn.org if interested, as he is considering carrying it. Osebergfunnet IV - Tekstilene (The Oseberg find - The textiles) by Arne Emil Christensen and Margareta Nockert, Kulturhistorisk Museum (May 6th 2006), Universitetet i Oslo. 24 x 36 cm. 408pp. ISBN 82-8984-024-9. Regards, Beth Matney _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 15 20:18:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0I1sH011497 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:18:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G0Hta4030837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:17:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0HFUp039189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0HCRV078285; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:17:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0H5We078188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:17:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6G2CVx1021403 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:12:31 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg Textiles Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:30:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <6.0.0.22.0.20060715174647.0263acc0@mail.alltel.net> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060715174647.0263acc0@mail.alltel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607151930.45793.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:17:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44B985B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Saturday 15 July 2006 6:47 pm, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > My copy of the Oseberg Textiles book arrived today. I have just finished my > first pass through, looking at the illustrations and reading the English > summary in the back. I am extremely happy with it. It contains much that I > have not seen before (even though I also have the Sofie Kraft book of her > watercolors). There is only a small amount on costume in it... most > textiles being identified as decorative and furnishings. In addition to the > tapestry woven textiles are extensive sections on the tablet woven bands, > embroidery (identified as Anglo-Saxon) and silks.The book itself is large > folio in a binding matching that of the other volumes of the Oseberfundet > published many years ago. For a book of this size and value (and a limited > print run of only 1200 copies), I consider it a worthwhile purchase. I > expect that it will be awhile before it is available via inter-library > loan. Thanks. I may just do that. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 15 20:41:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0fPRw011883 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:41:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G0fJKh002770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:41:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0eanm042076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0eYuf088497; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G0eUc9088447 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:40:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.4fb.2ef0575 (58808) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <4fb.2ef0575.31eae4f7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:40:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:41:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B98B2F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I was also distinctly concerned. Thanks for letting us all know he's ok. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 15 23:04:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G34AHZ014064 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:04:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G344Yp006627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:04:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G33IjS058977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G33Au9061799; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:03:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G1AqEK002840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.172] (209-148-118-172.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.172]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6G1Aotl014495 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:10:51 -0700 Message-ID: <44B99220.9020702@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 18:10:56 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Update on Bjarne References: <4fb.2ef0575.31eae4f7@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <4fb.2ef0575.31eae4f7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:04:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B9ACA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey, all the guy said was that he was getting bored with his costuming era. All the stuff about depression was basically made up by members of this group. I noticed it became increasingly dire with every message. starting with sensible suggestions like "take a break for awhile," and afterwards going on and on about depression. Then the guy apparently got tired of everyone talking about it, quit posting, and now people are bugging him privately. Could we like, get back to costuming and out of other people's personal business? Every time everyone wants to impose feelings on other people and then talk about those publicly, it makes me feel like I'm in the middle of a sewer. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > I was also distinctly concerned. > > Thanks for letting us all know he's ok. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 15 23:40:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G3ekbV014632 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:40:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G3eeYn007640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:40:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G3e9TI063427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:40:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G3e7dS081357; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G3e2Yp081241 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (hamstr12.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.31]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0J2H009EI8UMI810@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.40] (Forwarded-For: [4.250.54.115]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:39:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:39:56 -0400 From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Late 1500's Polish garb In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <012201c6a771$a52b9e00$c5816a44@Mischele> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:40:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B9B538.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO or you could use this handy-dandy link - direct from the bottom of a message from the Slavic Interest Group: <*> To visit our group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sig/ Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: otsisto > Maybe one of these groups can help. > http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=Renaissance+poland > > -----Original Message----- > Is there an egroup or yahoo group that caters to late 1500's > Polish Garb? > Maybe I am looking under the incorrect name. > Anyone know? > Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 01:21:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5LfMw016522 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:21:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G5LZGP000410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:21:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5KnpO073484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5KgVb027393; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5KcaV027363 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:20:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB42F36A3B for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:20:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <44B99220.9020702@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] final word RE: Update on Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:21:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44B9CCDF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran, 1. By the comments being made this thread was wrapping up. 2. There are several who know Bjarne and maybe felt that depression was a possibility. 3. "Every time everyone wants to impose feelings on other people"/ /"Then the guy apparently got tired of everyone talking about it,..." 4. If you have a topic you want to discuss, throw it out there. 5. So far, only one person has been in contact with him, no one is "bugging him privately" 6. I'm sorry that you feel that other's concern for another is like a wading through a sewer. I do not know Bjarne but admire his work. I stayed out of the thread because if it was depression I do not know how to give support but others seemed to know. I would rather see support and care given just because of a possibility then no support and something terrible happens. Now I will try to grant your request for a change of topic back to costuming. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 01:25:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5PhPb016584 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:25:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G5PbmP005152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:25:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5OaxB073861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:24:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5OZWs029224; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G5OWK1029194 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 671B236A36 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:24:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:24:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20060714143752.uweux1wxwks44cc4@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Chemise/shift/shirt X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:25:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B9CDD1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I just got my RH Saxon gown pattern and the "Kampfrau" pattern and realized that there wasn't a pattern for the under garment. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/cranach.html http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/kampfrau.html So does anyone recommend a online hemd/chemise pattern that works best with these styles? De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 02:03:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G63OpY017294 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:03:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G63JwB030654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G62oPs077136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:02:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G62m3H046252; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:02:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep04.xtra.co.nz (fep04.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G62iWD046167 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.187.155]) by fep04.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060716060237.BNBJ19789.fep04.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:02:37 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.1/389]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:02:40 +1200 Message-ID: <002e01c6a89d$7262fea0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chemise/shift/shirt Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:02:25 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44B9D6A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I just got my RH Saxon gown pattern and the "Kampfrau" pattern and realized > that there wasn't a pattern for the under garment. > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/cranach.html > http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/kampfrau.html > So does anyone recommend a online hemd/chemise pattern that works best with > these styles? I've had good luck with both a Hemd based on the Mary of Hungary chemise and a basic rectangular constuction (rectangles front and back, side gores, rectangle sleeves and square gussets.) I mostly just made best use of any fabric on hand;) But I have patterned all mine up if there is any interest? Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 14/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 02:32:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6VwSg018285 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:32:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G6Vrb9006923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6VCGN080162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:31:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6V6Ld062217; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6V0MX062165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:26483 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G209b-0000ry-KN for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:31:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c6a8a1$67c96250$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002e01c6a89d$7262fea0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chemise/shift/shirt Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 01:30:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:31:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44B9DD59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The one I favor can be seen here: http://www.pleatwork.com/papers/shirthandout.doc (fig 5b) or here: http://www.pleatwork.com/papers/Pleatworkshirthandout.pdf (fig 5a) As a matter of fact, I'm working on one now! -E _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 02:55:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6tiIb018650 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:55:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6G6td7R025176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:55:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6t085083667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6svdG074288; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6G6srOW074255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.214] (209-148-118-214.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6G6sp89012626 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <44B9E2C1.70708@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:54:57 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] final word RE: Update on Bjarne References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 02:55:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44B9E2EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO otsisto wrote: > Fran, > 1. By the comments being made this thread was wrapping up. It's about time. Next time someone wants to do psychotherapy on h-costume, could they do it by private email? > > 2. There are several who know Bjarne and maybe felt that depression was a > possibility. He never said he was depressed, that was all other people's assumptions and assertions. And if he did, again, this is a costuming list. It's not group therapy. I'm sure most members over the years have gone through personal difficulties at one time or another, but they have thankfully not brought them all to this list. There is a time and a place for everything. > > 3. "Every time everyone wants to impose feelings on other people"/ /"Then > the guy apparently got tired of everyone talking about it,..." Excuse me. But I did say "apparently," which many other people have not bothered to do. > 6. I'm sorry that you feel that other's concern for another is like a wading > through a sewer. I'm not particularly interested in emotions, personal chat, gossip, trivia, etc. And frankly this discussion sounds like a lot of exaggerated gossip, busybodyness, and dramatization. I'm sorry if this sounds heartless, unfeeling, or unfeminine to you, but what I want in life is intellectual stimulation and challenge, to learn things, and to discuss topics of interest to me. Costuming being one of them. If you think that makes me not "nice," too bad. My viewpoint is just as valid as yours. > > I do not know Bjarne but admire his work. I really don't see that Bjarne is any more special than everyone else in this group. I stayed out of the thread because > if it was depression I do not know how to give support but others seemed to > know. > I would rather see support and care given just because of a possibility then > no support and something terrible happens. Give me a break. We've moved from someone saying they're bored with their current projects, through everyone else claiming it's depression, and now implying it's a suicide threat. None of which comments about depression or other serious problems come from the person most concerne--and which, when made without any basis, are irresponsible. > Now I will try to grant your request for a change of topic back to > costuming. > > De > > THANK YOU. Fran Lavolta Press http://www _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 11:25:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GFPDJC013717 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:25:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6GFP7cE001216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GFImLd041797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GFIdCo013159; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta14.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GFIaJs013128 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:18:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta14.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15AE403CB for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:18:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:18:35 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] final word RE: Update on Bjarne X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREuljLEqTFxQEAAAAB,8ccca44f9476345db9c4f4bb58c0df08 X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.70] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:25:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BA5A53.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry, I picked up on this by accident. I was out of town when this started and couldn't read all that mail when I got home. Don't you people know about the DELETE button on your computer? If there is a subject you aren't interested in - delete it. I am not going to comment on the rest of this because it is beginning to be pretty nasty and if I comment then it will bring retaliation and I will get mad and go off the list. I normally love this list and would hate to lose it as a valuable resource. Everyone have a great day!!! Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- fran@lavoltapress.com wrote: From: Lavolta Press To: Historical Costume Cc: Subject: Re: [h-cost] final word RE: Update on Bjarne Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:54:57 -0700 otsisto wrote: > Fran, > 1. By the comments being made this thread was wrapping up. It's about time. Next time someone wants to do psychotherapy on h-costume, could they do it by private email? > > 2. There are several who know Bjarne and maybe felt that depression was a > possibility. He never said he was depressed, that was all other people's assumptions and assertions. And if he did, again, this is a costuming list. It's not group therapy. I'm sure most members over the years have gone through personal difficulties at one time or another, but they have thankfully not brought them all to this list. There is a time and a place for everything. > > 3. "Every time everyone wants to impose feelings on other people"/ /"Then > the guy apparently got tired of everyone talking about it,..." Excuse me. But I did say "apparently," which many other people have not bothered to do. > 6. I'm sorry that you feel that other's concern for another is like a wading > through a sewer. I'm not particularly interested in emotions, personal chat, gossip, trivia, etc. And frankly this discussion sounds like a lot of exaggerated gossip, busybodyness, and dramatization. I'm sorry if this sounds heartless, unfeeling, or unfeminine to you, but what I want in life is intellectual stimulation and challenge, to learn things, and to discuss topics of interest to me. Costuming being one of them. If you think that makes me not "nice," too bad. My viewpoint is just as valid as yours. > > I do not know Bjarne but admire his work. I really don't see that Bjarne is any more special than everyone else in this group. I stayed out of the thread because > if it was depression I do not know how to give support but others seemed to > know. > I would rather see support and care given just because of a possibility then > no support and something terrible happens. Give me a break. We've moved from someone saying they're bored with their current projects, through everyone else claiming it's depression, and now implying it's a suicide threat. None of which comments about depression or other serious problems come from the person most concerne--and which, when made without any basis, are irresponsible. > Now I will try to grant your request for a change of topic back to > costuming. > > De > > THANK YOU. Fran Lavolta Press http://www _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 17:29:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLTKUi025749 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:29:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6GLTFYG015923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:29:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLSVJ2084659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLSRDf007999; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLSNkV007969 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A95336A29 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:28:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44B9E2C1.70708@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] clarifying / final word RE: Update on Bjarne X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:29:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BAAFAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- De: I would rather see support and care given just because of a possibility then > no support and something terrible happens. Fran: Give me a break. We've moved from someone saying they're bored with their current projects, through everyone else claiming it's depression, and now implying it's a suicide threat. De: That is not what I said. I did not imply that there was a suicide threat. I was saying that it is better to do something on the slim chance that it might be depression, then to do nothing and find that it really was and something, anything negative happens. Applying it to any situation. Now lets move back to costuming. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 17:37:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLbmHA025932 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:37:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6GLbhcE029207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:37:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLb4LJ085664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GLb2Ju012720; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GJ0Qu8027100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.156] (pool180-156.patriot.net [209.249.180.156]) (authenticated bits=0) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6GJ0DqL007267 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:00:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: aquazoo@mail.patriot.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> References: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 14:59:37 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Carol Kocian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The delete button... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BAB1A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Don't you people know about the DELETE button on your computer? If >there is a subject you aren't interested in - delete it. I agree - this list covers diverse time periods, and there will be topics not of interest to everyone. I would like to ask (and I hope it's ok with the management to do so!) that people consider whether their note is personal/private or not. We do have the ability to respond privately to a note, whether it's to offer a compliment or a concern. Brainstorming through a creative block is useful for many. Signal-to-noise ratio is a big reason for people to leave groups and start their own. I think it's great that people discuss 5th century Fredonian necklines even if I don't read those notes. Too many personal notes, and I agree with Lalah: >I normally love this list and would hate to lose it as a valuable resource. I don't want to lose any of the knowledgeable people we have (whether they consider themselves experts or not), many of whom can make those 5th century Fredonian necklines interesting! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 18:27:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GMRtPV026915 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:27:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6GMRoVJ025218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:27:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GMR9DH091270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:27:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GMR73o037375; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6GMR4Ip037348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:27:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.203] (209-148-118-203.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6GMR1wd020766 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:27:02 -0700 Message-ID: <44BABD3B.6000008@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:27:07 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The delete button... References: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:27:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BABD66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I would like to ask (and I hope it's ok with the management to do > so!) that people consider whether their note is personal/private or > not. We do have the ability to respond privately to a note, whether > it's to offer a compliment or a concern. Brainstorming through a > creative block is useful for many. Exactly. I think repeated compliments are as tedious for general perusal as complaints. If someone puts up a picture of their latest creation and offers information on how they researched it, or how they made it, or how they wished they had made it in hindsight, or where they bought the materials, that's substantive. Endless I-like-your-outfit-too emails are not. And although I do delete the vast majority of my emails by subject line, it's harder to do that when the subject line is "Elizabethan dress," or some other topic that interests me, but it turns out not to be a discussion of Elizabethan dress but a series of me-too compliments on someone's creation. The subject line does not always describe the content. I am on an extremely active list for translators from foreign languages, which has a very useful system. They require every subject line to be prefixed with one of a series of standard headers designated by the group's official guidelines (and emailed out with the usual official reminders), so that people can filter messages in or out of their inboxes at will. Of relevance to h-costume, they have a CHAT: prefix, a HUMOR: (or HUMOUR:) prefix, and a COMP: (computer problems) prefix. All the prefixes are followed by colons, which makes it easier to have a filter that does not confuse unwanted messages with wanted ones. For h-costume, I'd certainly recommend a CHAT: prefix. The translators' group also has standard subject headers related to language pairs, abbreviations of things like German>English and French>Italian. (Members very often ask each other for help with specific words, phrases, and sentences.) I don't think it would be such a bad thing for h-costume to have subject headers for things like Elizabethan (ELIZ:), but they would have to be carefully thought out. However, I don't think they are essential, because it is more likely that many people are interested in multiple costuming periods, or in multiple techniques (sewing, emboidery, crochet), than that many people translate to and from numerous languages. I already have a CHAT: filter-out set up with my ISP for the translators' group, which means I don't even have to download about 50 messages a day. If the h-costume moderator would set up and enforce a prefixing standard for h-costume, even just a CHAT: prefix, that would certainly be convenient. An OFF-TOPIC: prefix and a COMPLIMENTS: prefix would also be great--unless those are included in CHAT:. > > Signal-to-noise ratio is a big reason for people to leave groups > and start their own. I think it's great that people discuss 5th century > Fredonian necklines even if I don't read those notes. Too many personal > notes, and I agree with Lalah: If I read a ten-page discussion on Fredonian necklines, even if I had no previous interest in the subject, that's the kind of thing to get me interested in it. > >> I normally love this list and would hate to lose it as a valuable >> resource. So would I. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 20:52:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H0qqC4030474 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:52:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6H0qlBN022119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:52:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H0poOn006614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:51:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H0pk0i005457; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H0pdBR005364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6H2lAq1021142 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:47:10 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:05:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <44BABD3B.6000008@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <44BABD3B.6000008@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607162005.25220.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:52:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BADF5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sunday 16 July 2006 6:27 pm, Lavolta Press wrote: [snip] > I am on an extremely active list for translators from foreign languages, > which has a very useful system. They require every subject line to be > prefixed with one of a series of standard headers designated by the > group's official guidelines (and emailed out with the usual official > reminders), so that people can filter messages in or out of their > inboxes at will. Of relevance to h-costume, they have a CHAT: prefix, a > HUMOR: (or HUMOUR:) prefix, and a COMP: (computer problems) prefix. All > the prefixes are followed by colons, which makes it easier to have a > filter that does not confuse unwanted messages with wanted ones. I think this is an excellent idea and second Fran's recommendation that we implement it on h-costume. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 22:13:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2D6nn032052 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:13:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6H2D0bO007551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:13:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2CCKa014023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2C84A042309; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:12:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2C2hb042261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.45] (209-148-118-45.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.45]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6H2C1Lo025756 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:12:02 -0700 Message-ID: <44BAF1F7.4060802@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 19:12:07 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <44BABD3B.6000008@lavoltapress.com> <200607162005.25220.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200607162005.25220.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Prefixes for headers? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:13:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BAF22C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Another prefix they use that might be useful on h-costume is JOBS: (under which, for h-costume, I'd suggesting including volunteer as well as paid opportunities). I would also suggest EVENTS: (annoucements for events and classes) and SUPP: (for supplies; tip-offs for JoAnn's sales, eBay listings, and so on; also requests for where to find specific items). I think breaking out eras and techniques might get very complicated though. And many people who are only interested in one era or technique are on a specialized list rather than a general one like h-costume. Fran > I think this is an excellent idea and second Fran's recommendation that we > implement it on h-costume. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 16 22:43:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2hK5Z032628 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:43:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6H2hE59020224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:43:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2gd9p017165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2gcaN056421; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:42:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H2gYLm056391 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07379 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:21:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:21:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) 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Status: RO On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: > I think this is an excellent idea and second Fran's recommendation > that we implement it on h-costume. I have seen this work extraordinarily well on exactly one list -- a list for copyeditors, who are, by definition, able to deal with detailed rules on handling language. However, the system is also backed up by a strong administrative infrastructure on the list, including an extensive set of well-maintained FAQs and two extremely active list managers who will send warnings to people who do not follow the rules, or put them on moderated status. >From the description, it sounds as though the translators' list modeled its tags after the ones established on the copyeditors' list (or maybe the other way around, but I suspect the copyeditors' list is older) -- I know there is some cross-membership. Translators are another group similar to copyeditors, where people tend to be exacting in their use of language, and the purpose of the group is targeted and professional. I'm afraid I don't see such a system as easy to implement on h-cost, where we have a membership that's extremely diverse, representing people from many countries and of varying levels of ease at handling language and niggly bits of formatting. In fact, I have seen such a tagging system attempted for another group, with much the same level of variation as on h-cost, and despite eager support for the tagging system by some members, the burden of following the rules was difficult enough for many others that they simply stopped posting, or came away feeling that they would only post if they absolutely needed to because they were so afraid of getting it wrong and being scolded for it. The group suffered badly and has never recovered its once high posting levels. I consider it an asset of h-cost that it is easy for people to join and to engage in discussion, even if they are new to costuming, new to historic costuming, or new to e-mail lists, and where even newcomers who don't know the lists's traditions are treated, for the most part, with consideration and seriousness, and educated by participation. I have heard people say that the activity and the wealth of expertise on h-cost intimidated them as newcomers, making it hard for them to get up enough courage to post. I would not be inclined to add an extra burden -- real or perceived -- to newcomers or existing members who are not adept communicators. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 01:03:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H53h2j003045 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:03:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6H53cjR012311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:03:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H52nsH033666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H52eGu023184; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H52bx5023146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.79] (209-148-118-79.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.79]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6H52ZN8001474 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:02:36 -0700 Message-ID: <44BB19F1.20302@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:02:41 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? 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Status: RO > I'm afraid I don't see such a system as easy to implement on h-cost, where > we have a membership that's extremely diverse, representing people from > many countries and of varying levels of ease at handling language and > niggly bits of formatting. In fact many more h-costume members are native English speakers than on the translators' list, where the tags are all in English but a high proportion of the emails is not. I'm not sure some members read English at all. But as English is the only language h-costume posts are in, almost all members are fluent in it. I don't really see that having maybe four headings is too much of a mental strain, or that a simple colon is that finicky in terms of formatting. Even one heading, CHAT: versus everything else with no heading, would be extremely useful. In fact, I have seen such a tagging system > attempted for another group, with much the same level of variation as on > h-cost, and despite eager support for the tagging system by some members, > the burden of following the rules was difficult enough for many others > that they simply stopped posting, or came away feeling that they would > only post if they absolutely needed to because they were so afraid of > getting it wrong and being scolded for it. The group suffered badly and > has never recovered its once high posting levels. So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for everything else? A high level of postings is no boon if a large number of them are irrelevant. > > I consider it an asset of h-cost that it is easy for people to join and to > engage in discussion, even if they are new to costuming, new to historic > costuming, or new to e-mail lists, and where even newcomers who don't know > the lists's traditions are treated, for the most part, with consideration > and seriousness, and educated by participation. I don't see that a tag system--again, even one tag for chat--would ruin that. Surely people can figure out off-topic discussions are chat? I have heard people say > that the activity and the wealth of expertise on h-cost intimidated them > as newcomers, making it hard for them to get up enough courage to post. I > would not be inclined to add an extra burden -- real or perceived -- to > newcomers or existing members who are not adept communicators. I kind of thought we were all literate, mostly native English speakers, and mostly college educated. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 02:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H6GDpj010013 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:16:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6H6G76s017863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:16:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H6FBdX041380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:15:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H6F6CG053162; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H6F3xV053137 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07771 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:53:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:53:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) In-Reply-To: <44BB19F1.20302@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:16:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BB2B27.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, > computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a > substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for > everything else? That strikes me as being more likely to succeed, and to be useful, than asking that every post be tagged in some way, which is what I thought you were suggesting originally. I don't think a total tagging system would be manageable with our current administrative setup and turnover rate, but a "CHAT:" tagging convention to separate costuming from non-substantive or non-costuming isn't too much to ask. And it would indeed be helpful. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 05:57:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H9vbKO025256 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:57:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6H9vVSE017395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:57:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H9uiCj063928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:56:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H9uZBT058840; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:56:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H9uUXP058804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6H9v3jn030621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:57:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k6H9v2m9030618 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:57:03 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:57:02 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? 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Status: RO On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > > > So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, > > computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a > > substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for > > everything else? > > That strikes me as being more likely to succeed, and to be useful, than > asking that every post be tagged in some way, which is what I thought you > were suggesting originally. I don't think a total tagging system would be > manageable with our current administrative setup and turnover rate, but a > "CHAT:" tagging convention to separate costuming from non-substantive > or non-costuming isn't too much to ask. As a mostly lurker, avid reader and sometimes poster, I would like to second this. An easy way to filter out non-costuming posts would indeed be useful. :) Another way to go (or maybe used to supplement a simple tagging system) might be to set up a short and clear set of guidelines for the group that dictate a bit more how to post. Maybe this is just my usenet background talking, but I find that online communication is so much easier if everyone follows some simple rules. The most important that come to mind are: - Please trim your posts. Do not quote an entire post or digest when you reply, but only those parts you are replying to. (This, I find, is not so much a problem when I have the list set to deliver individual messages, but in those periods where I need it set to digest I often find that reading the list gets very frustrating and time-consuming.) - When veering off the original subject in a reply, please also change the subject line! (In order for the "but you can just delete the posts you aren't interested in" argument to be valid, it needs to be possible to identify such posts _before_ you read them.) - Don't post one-liners or comments that don't contribute to the discussion at hand. (By this I mean that "ooh, your work is lovely" has the same positive effect if sent privately as on the list. I think such feedback is inspiring and important both to give and receive, but maybe not so useful on-list.) On the one hand I do like that the list is so chatty and a real community, OTOH I would like an opportunity to more easily identify interesting posts. The important thing is, as others have said, to make any rules so short and clear that they don't discourage people from posting at all. Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 09:29:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDTP7l014358 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:29:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HDTKpY005180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:29:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDSYwj088605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:28:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDSUZk075888; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HC4aHH023930 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 06:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.21]) by bay0-omc1-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:04:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:04:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:04:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.184.170] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607161800.k6GI04Dw092970@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:04:28 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 12:04:31.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[29372C90:01C6A999] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Spanish hat styles 1550 men and women X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:29:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BB90B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anyone know where to find a good hat pattern for this period? It looks like a Tudor flat cap but somehow a little different. Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 09:30:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDUP15014407 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:30:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HDUJU3028465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDTTBr088763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDTS1h076599; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HDN99A072128 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 984692406 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:23:05 -0500 Message-ID: <013c01c6a9a4$2a478a20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:23:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] subject lines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:30:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BB90EB.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think the "prefixes" are intended for the subject line, right? I belong to a list that recommends headers. It's a diverse group with members from many countries, but all posts are in English. Honestly, the prefixes don't do *one bit* of good! Some people use them, some don't. The list admin reminds people periodically AND it's included at the end of every single message posted to the list. If you can train list members to use prefixes, you ought to be able to train them to change the darn subject line! If every member made sure to change the subject line to reflect the contents, prefixes wouldn't be needed! That and sending one-liners privately instead of to the list. One thing the list admin might consider is changing the replies to return to sender, rather than return to the list. That cuts down *a lot* on the reply chatter, but doesn't eliminate any original posting. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 11:05:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HF5YBr016295 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:05:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HF5RBt025615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:05:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HF4dia003340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HF4Z2m050598; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:04:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HF4Sl2050489 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:04:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 984765553 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:04:28 -0500 Message-ID: <019a01c6a9b2$548da680$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <013c01c6a9a4$2a478a20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:04:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BBA737.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I think the "prefixes" are intended for the subject line, right? > > I belong to a list that recommends **headers. I meant "prefixes in the subject line" not **headers. speaking of communicating clearly... Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 12:08:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HG8kCI017564 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:08:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HG8e53003231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:08:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HG7rdk016308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:07:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HG7ntC010765; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6HG7hSn010583 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 26198 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 16:07:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=McZlyaCl+1dz7QF7LkNErrdW2LEmyukqhYr7QtkgY2ODir7MhuHVsftkrB34dQ+Jq9WjPlJfdsiUJFuNxqz00xBwevt7z8Icr/Fe0lFURu1o+uRVyGDpNjb/WpUWXB12HQARU5G8L+G5DVd5vZlR07hS9Lp0euO/VqHKi9uIu/o= ; Message-ID: <20060717160737.26196.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:07:37 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:07:37 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BBB608.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out.... I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Katherine the stumped p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 12:23:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGNC09017740 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:23:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HGN6xM020404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:23:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGM38R018676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGM0xi024310; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGLZbb023883 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so3032nfc for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c15wikuLEBwfv5FMA6eKNQCoon+Auv124/5mV2flnBVcmXMNxfcyi8iqe1gfDv3UBhPoCSmZ4xpEU1FF+kv50Hc9DWQjR3xRTKqVcNOkmgYWYVYB7MQ+8TiyCQJtnR3V/8YXJw2LkYZe/nNcdJZ2qMDgJk86RSXhdPlkDGlZWr8= Received: by 10.48.1.3 with SMTP id 3mr2105229nfa; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.231.18 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070607170921h6a0382a4qb5a810a1816e2fb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:21:34 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) In-Reply-To: <20060717160737.26196.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060717160737.26196.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:23:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BBB96A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? Katy On 7/17/06, katherine sanders wrote: > Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out.... I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... > > Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! > > > Katherine the stumped > > p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 12:52:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGqbPj018247 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:52:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HGqVrP023022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:52:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGpXZS023692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGpRwQ053392; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGpNVH053249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G2WJU-0005iX-Pn; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:51:20 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:51:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20060717125120.ncd1xo1j4w4o4o8s@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:51:20 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BBC04F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > >> So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, >> computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a >> substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for >> everything else? I don't like the idea of having "topic tags." My email client only shows a limited number of characters for a message subject (that's not changeable/customizable no matter how big I make the window). If we start hanging tags at the start of the subject line I won't be able to see any subject at all. That would make this list way to cumbersome for *me* (and I may be in the minority here -- that's ok). You're also assuming that folks will remember to change the *tag* just like they remember to change the *subject* susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 13:18:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHILrN018851 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:18:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HHIFgi004883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:18:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHHL5m028658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHH29w080553; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHGnqC080365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.162] (209-148-118-162.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6HHGTDe002490 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:16:46 -0700 Message-ID: <44BBC5EF.20800@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:16:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:18:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BBC657.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I fully agree with all you said. I have no desire to set up a tagging system so complicated that people either can't remember it or spend 10 minutes per post agonizing over whether the tag should be VICT: or ACW: or 19C:. I think it would be a good idea to figure out exactly how many tags people can easily hold in memory--I was thinking 4 at a maxiumum--and then figure out what many topics and content people will very very commonly want to filter in or out. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > On the one hand I do like that the list is so chatty and a real > community, OTOH I would like an opportunity to more easily identify > interesting posts. The important thing is, as others have said, to make > any rules so short and clear that they don't discourage people from > posting at all. > > Ingrid > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 13:35:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHZJrn019326 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:35:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HHZB08007778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:35:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHTPBq030632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHTMB2093509; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:29:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHTIG7093443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.162] (209-148-118-162.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6HHTHL9010805 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:29:17 -0700 Message-ID: <44BBC8F2.1060507@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:29:22 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines References: <013c01c6a9a4$2a478a20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <013c01c6a9a4$2a478a20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BBCA4F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Prefixes are to the subject line, as in CHAT: Is everyone in New Orleans OK after the hurricane? They do a lot of good because you can set up a filter for them in your mail browser or in your ISP, if your ISP has that capability. That is how I can avoid downloading 50 chat messages a day (and I'm not exaggerating) from the translators' list. They chat on many subjects, but almost all the chat is labeled CHAT: However, I do agree with all the suggestions to have good subject lines, change them when you change the subject. I also think a list change to reply-to-sender would be good. The latter makes people think every time they post about whether this really should be a private message. I don't get particularly stirred up about whether people snip posts much or not (despite still having dialup because my-husband-the-computer-programmer, who sets up these things, is ticked off at A T & T and he says most broadband goes through A T & T one way or another). On the other hand, snipping is never a bad idea, either. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Land of Oz wrote: > I think the "prefixes" are intended for the subject line, right? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 14:06:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HI6EJI020450 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:06:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HI68FO007442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:06:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HI5JZt037353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HI5HU9030033; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.99]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6HI5B4c029863 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57636 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 18:05:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UUt6FRX4evqUbicSlvOWop6ArGLFRb07PQgkyU0mzLrP1KTHG556bymg6EXP90KTC/u+CyhhV3YJXbOVr+tes634At+z1vEy3Xv85XKCc2B7AXDJIdUt7ZW+CMIQrGA7Cgdhlqxrxnc6ZMPDrU5m28pv37EUCNB5oUefBBi+bIM= ; Message-ID: <20060717180506.57634.qmail@web39515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.54.92.50] by web39515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:05:06 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoats - Regency X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:06:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BBD190.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm finishing up my transition stays (past patterns for 1796-1806) and I want to make a bodiced petticoat to go between the stays and the dress I am going to make. I've seen a few images of bodiced petticoats for this period but they aren't close enough to the bodice for me to really understand how these are constructed. I know that Sense and Sensibilty has instruction on thier website but I don't see any documention for thier method - which would fit much better over a bra then stays. Can anyone give me some insight into this - have you seen one? Made one? Construction details? Fabrics used? Thanks for all your help! Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 14:37:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIbdFQ021214 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HIbVHP029683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIZSUT042212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIZLxl058991; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIZGBH058906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6HIZBT4014894 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:35:15 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63721.72.13.239.193.1153161315.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <44BBC8F2.1060507@lavoltapress.com> References: <013c01c6a9a4$2a478a20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <44BBC8F2.1060507@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BBD8EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm wary of offering a prefix for chat. I do find that most people do not consider this a chatty type of list. Even when discussing something off-topic, many add the "obligatory costume content" at the end. "It's breast cancer awareness month, OCC I found this great link on the history of bras." I've seen some lists or forums that say they are a "community", which seems to mean they allow discussion of any topic and not just the theme of the list. However I think H-costume can be a community and still keep the discussion on-topic. > Prefixes are to the subject line, as in CHAT: Is everyone in New > Orleans OK after the hurricane? I don't mind a request for people to check in after a disaster, however it can lead to a lot of off-topic chatter. Someone might have a request for volunteers to help with a flooded museum collection and put it under CHAT because it relates to the recent floods in the eastern US. But it is on-topic if it's about preserving a costume collecton. > However, I do agree with all the suggestions to have good subject lines, > change them when you change the subject. I also think a list change to > reply-to-sender would be good. The latter makes people think every time > they post about whether this really should be a private message. Or cut down on discussion dramatically because people don't stop to think about it. I belong to quite a few lists and I would have to stop and think for each one when I hit "reply". Perhaps in the future all replies would have a "choose the option" of private vs to-the-list. Or certain threads could be designated "reply only to sender", such as was requested with the holiday gift exchange. Maybe, one day, the technology will be there... > I don't get particularly stirred up about whether people snip posts much > or not It doesn't seem to be a huge on this list. I've really only noticed it on other places. I think the settings currently on H-Costume are ok, and it's just a matter of reminders for use. Personally I would be really annoyed if someone speculated on a medical condition, about me, on a public list rather than sending a private note. To me, it's like announcing something loudly in a group of people about a matter that should be a private aside. We have had discussions in the past about carpal tunnel syndrome and sewing, going into prevention and treatment and treatment. But again, it's something of interest to several list members, sewing is a big element of making costume, etc. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 14:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HId9hm021262 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:39:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HId3wF030179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:39:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIbEng042458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIbDIw060709; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIb7nO060547 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.381.7ca9af2 (40520) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:36:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <381.7ca9af2.31ed32c9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:36:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:09:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk writes: Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! This was actually addressed by the manufacturer when invisible zippers first came out, in the early 1970s, as the zippers came in a limited range of colors. I tried a little cloth bag--wasn't real happy with the results, though, but then I wasn't as skilled in those days. You might have good success with that. Or, can you see any way to cover it with buttonhole stitches? My memory is that the pull is long and slender, so that MIGHT work. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 14:39:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIdoF8021287 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:39:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HIdjRs022357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIcFEU042662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIcEqT061777; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIc86C061584 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.428.30f60580 (40520) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <428.30f60580.31ed3305@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:37:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:23:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, katybishop64@gmail.com writes: Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? Given the color, you may not find nail polish, but perhaps acrylic craft paint? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 14:58:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIwQSo021992 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:58:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HIwKK8007999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:58:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIvU22045884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIvO38081806; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIvI57081575 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:57:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-119-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.119.131]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 17 Jul 2006 19:57:05 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAL15u0SBT4hg Received: from 88-107-119-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.119.131]:2161 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G2YHB-0004Of-8e for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:57:05 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060717195133.023f59e0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:55:55 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoats - Regency In-Reply-To: <20060717180506.57634.qmail@web39515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060717180506.57634.qmail@web39515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BBDDCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 19:05 17/07/2006, you wrote: >I'm finishing up my transition stays (past patterns for 1796-1806) >and I want to make a bodiced petticoat to go between the stays and >the dress I am going to make. I've seen a few images of bodiced >petticoats for this period but they aren't close enough to the >bodice for me to really understand how these are constructed. I >know that Sense and Sensibilty has instruction on thier website but >I don't see any documention for thier method - which would fit much >better over a bra then stays. Can anyone give me some insight into >this - have you seen one? Made one? Construction details? Fabrics used? > > Thanks for all your help! > > Sarah I suggest you look at "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1800-1909" by Jean Hunnisett, where you will find bodiced petticoat patterns. Don't be put off by the title - the patterns are as thoroughly researched as possible. I recently saw a bodiced petticoat at the DAR Museum in Washington, which had a solid fabric bodice, wrap-over style, and a fancy thin fabric skirt. (Ditto on E Bay recently.) Unfortunately, it was with a group of things I was not able to document and photograph, as I ran out of time. (I was only with the curator for one whole day after all!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 15:06:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJ6P85022294 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:06:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HJ6J1l006112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:06:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJ5g7K047011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJ5YUm089985; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:05:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJ5Jgs089751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6HJ55Rh028758 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:05:10 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <63891.72.13.239.193.1153163110.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <428.30f60580.31ed3305@aol.com> References: <428.30f60580.31ed3305@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BBDFAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Then there is the theory of "If you can't fix it, feature it!" How about cutting off the pull and replacing it with a bead or ornament, or make something with seed beads. I wonder if there is some sort of pull replacement you could make using just the thread, which would be unobtrusive? How about a buttonholed or crocheted leader, about 1", that could then be flipped to the inside of the garment and stay there? You would need a weight on the end, again perhaps a bead would work there. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 15:29:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJTbkU022933 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:29:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HJTWDM014374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJSqsZ051168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:28:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJSnAa012299; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HGNYNE025869 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm26.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8280940766 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:23:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20060717092333.463B3843@resin05.mta.everyone.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:23:33 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nREu7mFoEU/PwEAAAAB,bd4ecaf1e066bc11def9866d23a6f7c4 X-Originating-Ip: [64.12.116.70] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BBE51C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just a suggestion from a sewer/crafter. Match the fabric color with acrylic paint and paint the tab. The acrylic paint comes in a zillion colors and is cheap. If you carefully clean the tab with vinegar or alcohol and tape around it, painting will not be difficult. It dries fast, but let it really dry well, like overnight, and it will stand up to much use. I have used acrylic paint on all kinds of things with very good results. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:07:37 +0000 (GMT) Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out.... I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! Katherine the stumped p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 15:31:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJVJeo022993 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:31:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HJVENT021535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:31:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJUYqt051475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJUWOd013917; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HHohCY015195 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:50:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ehhQvUR+oNfssAVYIoNsYja77YO50ZzQMfoL855xUv7Lu3aW6P9I6SXiJ2yLRYwc; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.53.19.240] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G2XEw-0005Xg-KP for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:50:43 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220067117175031140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) 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Status: RO Another idea is take off the tab and use a paper clip though the hole to zip it up, I use it on costumes when I don't want it to show at all. Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Katy Bishop > To: Historical Costume > Date: 7/17/2006 9:23:55 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) > > Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? > > Katy > > On 7/17/06, katherine sanders wrote: > > Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out.... I tend to use eyelets, laces, pins etc to close clothing for clients but this is a new problem and not one I can work around... > > > > Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab at the top! > > > > > > Katherine the stumped > > > > p.s. the zip is cream, the dress is pale green poly-wool crepe and the style is tea-length princess seamed a-line, with slightly flared mid-bicep sleeves and a sweetheart neckline. The customer is /always/ right... > > > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > -- > Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian > vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com > Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. > Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 15:32:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJWMHR023030 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:32:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HJWGZP012206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:32:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJVgPs051682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJVgpr015082; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HIJaDc043703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:10373 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G2Xh0-0006tY-1f for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <002f01c6a9cd$8f993490$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060716081835.46445F2B@resin07.mta.everyone.net> <44BABD3B.6000008@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:19:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] deleting posts and post headers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BBE5C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'd love to see some kind of prefix system, but honestly, I'd be delighted if we could just change the subject header to reflect the topic. I generally delete the messages I assume will be just chattiness, but on the occasions when I do read what I was about to delete, I often find that the conversation has ranged back into some real, interesting costuming content. And then I have to go on a hunt through my Deleted Items file to find the rest of it! Not that I always remember to change the header on my posts, mind you. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 15:58:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJwQcT023719 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:58:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HJwKp3025742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:58:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJvEqP056199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:57:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJv72c039449; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:57:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJv3eV039380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:57:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.191] (209-148-118-191.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.191]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6HJv10E027316 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:57:02 -0700 Message-ID: <44BBEB8E.2030004@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:57:02 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines References: <013c01c6a9a4$2a478a20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <44BBC8F2.1060507@lavoltapress.com> <63721.72.13.239.193.1153161315.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <63721.72.13.239.193.1153161315.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BBEBDC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO We have had discussions in the past about carpal > tunnel syndrome and sewing, going into prevention and treatment and > treatment. But again, it's something of interest to several list > members, sewing is a big element of making costume, etc. I think that if a medical condition is discussed, even if costume related that person should be allowed to control the discussion about themselves. It's one thing if a person says themselves that they got carpal tunnel syndrome from doing hand sewing, but they found out that it helped to change their hand position in a certain way, and they feel it is helpful to the list if they pass this info on. It's a different thing if there is a discussion about carpal tunnel, and someone says, "Costumer Jane Doe has it and none of her treatment has belped and she's really depressed because she might have to give up her costuming business." That's just gossip. I also think even Jane's input should be costume-related, for example, "My doctor told me to quit a session of hand sewing as soon as it became painful. I did not follow her advice and my condition got worse, so take warning by me." 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Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:37:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BBF511.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Has anyone heard of this? Sounds awfuly interesting! Elisabeth -----Original Message----- From: carlton_bach@YAHOO.DE To: DW-L@DRACHENWALD.SCA.ORG Sent: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 2:42 PM Subject: [DW-L] [GERMAN]Fwd: Neuauflage! Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland Salve apologies for forwarding a foreign-language mail, but this may be of great interest to some members. A German print-on-demand publisher is reissuing Karl Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland, which is THE definitive work on the rich treasure trove of bog textiles excavated in Germany. The book includes copious illustrations, drawings, and reconstructions of the crafts and techniques used in manufacture. In short, if you have the skills you can reweave most of the pieces 1:1 with this work. The projected price is around EUR 50, orders can be placed here: h.wachholtz@wachholtz.de I don't know how they handle foreign orders, unfortunately. But asking won't hurt. YIS Giano ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Subject: Neuauflage! Karl Schlabow: Textilfunde der Eisenzeit in Norddeutschland Date: Montag, 17. Juli 2006 18:12 From: C2C Media Eureka!!! 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Always Free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 16:47:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HKlP15025479 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:47:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HKlKYG031631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HKkYkK063944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HKkRga087285; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts40.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HKkLxu087163 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.18]) by tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060717204616.XGDU24981.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:46:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: Sheridan To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:46:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060717204616.XGDU24981.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BBF758.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would suggest that if you can't find the colour in Nail polish, try Testor's Model paint - which is a laquer and will not rub off like acrylic will. (Acrylic can also melt in the wash and stick to your fabric where you don't want it) Model paints usually come in very small bottles, and a bigger range of colours than nail polish. Most hobby shops that carry car models will have it. Sheridan P. > In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:23:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > katybishop64@gmail.com writes: > > Can you paint the tab? Nail polish maybe? > > > > Given the color, you may not find nail polish, but perhaps acrylic craft > paint? > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 17:25:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HLPCWU026334 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HLP6oh031012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HLIE8G069289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HLI9GZ019573; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:18:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6HLI4KF019445 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58053 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 21:17:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Xok3DoNHTjZLvu0SjfJ+pJNa4J1sXrQv01JHPG9Il62KqfKDJEftCm8rk7itzGhBehiZLorJuWbh/aFfwB9BTtjIiIb8UB0qUUUubHmseMB/jFJUvVGABpT2u4MNoRIiOCB4VckL8hlofRic/Ro7dxaXqWkV80xVJKm4PWNbMrY= ; Message-ID: <20060717211759.58051.qmail@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:17:59 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish hat styles 1550 men and women To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BC0032.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Are you speaking of an "Italian Bonnet" or an actual flat cap? Lynn McMasters has very good patterns. http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/witalianpatcover.html http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/mitalianpatcover.html http://www.lynnmcmasters.com/THPcover.html I've made the Italian bonnet (mens) for my husband, and it went together very quickly and very well. Kimiko Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez wrote: Does anyone know where to find a good hat pattern for this period? It looks like a Tudor flat cap but somehow a little different. Catalina nunca sin mi vino --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 18:14:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMEKoh028012 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HMEFAp008464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMDagi078069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMDRLn069593; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMCuqo069132 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.35]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:12:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:12:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.162.200 by by108fd.bay108.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:12:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.217.53.244] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:12:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2006 22:12:51.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[24C3F350:01C6A9EE] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] subject lines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BC0BB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just out of curiosity - why attempt to reinvent the wheel just because one individual objects to certain postings? h-costume appears to suit the needs of the majority of posters and lurkers; if it doesn't suit a given persons needs, perhaps they need to look elsewhere. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 18:29:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMT0wl028313 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:29:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HMSsEt027936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:28:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMRkDS080742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMRdwj082370; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMRT6C082233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.223] (209-148-118-223.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6HMRQp0003138 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:27:27 -0700 Message-ID: <44BC0ECF.2090305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:27:27 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:28:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BC0F26.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com RobinandKelly Dorman wrote: > Just out of curiosity - why attempt to reinvent the wheel just because > one individual objects to certain postings? h-costume appears to suit > the needs of the majority of posters and lurkers; if it doesn't suit a > given persons needs, perhaps they need to look elsewhere. > Kelly > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 18:34:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMYvoa028455 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:34:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HMYprX029969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:34:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMY0JZ081693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMXwlW087458; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMXrtX087383 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:33:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10323 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:12:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:12:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines In-Reply-To: <44BC0ECF.2090305@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:34:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BC108B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Mon, 17 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to > how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts > interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is > acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Did I miss something? Has anyone been complaining, arguing about what is acceptable, or quitting the group? I mean, before you introduced the current discussion? I do see those sorts of problems periodically on other lists, but I haven't seen much of it here that I can think of. But I don't read all the posts, so perhaps I missed it. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 18:47:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMl9pg028796 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:47:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HMl21I027152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMkBYo083363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:46:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMk9CD096703; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMk5Ah096655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.223] (209-148-118-223.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6HMk3us009512 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:46:04 -0700 Message-ID: <44BC132C.8080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:46:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:47:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BC1366.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Did I miss something? Yes. I complained about too much off-topic chat, and emails such as congratulations which should be personal, and Kelly said that: "Just out of curiosity - why attempt to reinvent the wheel just because one individual objects to certain postings? h-costume appears to suit the needs of the majority of posters and lurkers; if it doesn't suit a given persons needs, perhaps they need to look elsewhere. Kelly" Although I thought other people also thought maybe there was a bit too much off-topic and personal chat, I assume "the one individual" means me. If not, who is it? As I have no intention of leaving a list whose substantive messages are of value and interest me (and as some other people seem to like chat), I suggested the filters as something that has been of great value to me on another list, and which might make everyone on h-costume happier without clogging the list from anyone's viewpoint. Anyone who wishes is welcome to filter out all my emails by my sender address, or any other means their email program or ISP supports. That's what I do, but it's harder to automatically filter out all personal chat on any subject from any member. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 18:59:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMxjFr029354 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:59:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HMxet6004845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMrsU1084293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMrqNm002616; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:53:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HMrnrX002492 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5438E0001CB for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:53:43 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44BC14E8.3050508@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:53:28 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Peacock Feathers - England - 1278 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:59:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BC165C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I've been studying Manor Accounts, and in the "Account of the reeve of Sevenhampton from Michaelmas 1278 to Michaelmas 1279" there is mention of selling the tail of feathers moulted by their peacock. "Peacock tails (caude pavonum) He answers for 2 peacock tails produced Of these 1 sold: total 1 and there remains the last tail." Please can someone tell me the likely use of these feathers? Were they stitched to a skirt or a head-dress, perhaps? Were they added to a hat, or made into a fan? Something else? Or am I wrong, and they weren't used for costume purposes at all: maybe they would have been wanted for some sort of interior decorating? Or for some other function - medicinal, a fancy pen, something beyond my wildest imaginings? Yours, awaiting your replies with interest, Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:04:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN4TJL029571 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:04:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HN4NLI001488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:04:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN3iNM085641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:03:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN3e2T010290; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6HN3Z1g010126 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:03:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 17289 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 23:03:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=b4k5dSSERnXnLyTYbbywr+CaZUG1kbHPkeF4dByCLnnMOQU+aG+iGM20pDpaJ3/soDbJTPoZPm0mAQVlJRf8aILHA3pMD8QP0PhLWTpX92iKYOcE4GyAEyVyBjBHhFGsYxv5RQk4O5bBwyGPtP3U0sXh55r7h5M1Xirne+THcZA= ; Message-ID: <20060717230329.17287.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:03:29 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:03:29 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] re: h-cost was "Subject Lines" - Reinventing the Wheel & public replies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BC1777.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts >interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is >acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? Having done a lot of reading and writing, I'm perfectly capable of skimming the digest titles and then briefly checking I don't miss a nugget of gold in amongst the chat. BTW - As someone who /did/ respond in public in a way that some people find offensive/unnecessarily open/whatever with some personal information, I just want to say TOUGH if you don't like it. You don't have to read my messages, I don't have to read yours - I skimmed hundreds, literally, after the hurricane last year but you know what, I was glad to know everyone was still alive and ok. If I could have helped, I would have been glad to be asked, even though it wasn't costume related. No complaints, no arguing, no quitting - although to be honest I'm considering it after this latest bout of po-faced negativity. What I /would/ like is a way to filter the digest messages. Katherine. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:08:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN8wvo029759 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:08:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HN8qr8010285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:08:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN8Nqr086294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:08:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN8Lo3013741; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HN8GMZ013585 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE25F3CE80 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:08:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44BC1883.1020106@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:08:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) References: <20060717183528.81554.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060717183528.81554.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:08:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BC1884.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO katherine sanders wrote: > Thanks to all who replied on and off list: I am going to try the nail varnish - if no luck, then acrylic and if all fails, suggest the paperclip (which is a good idea for me personally but maybe not for my v. nice customer). > > Katherine (brain stumped by heat as much as anything complicated!) Somehow I never saw the original, so I'm not sure what the question was, but I would caution against painting with water-soluable acrylic craft paints. I use those regularly for a variety of crafts and hobbies, and if you are painting on metal or plastic you usually need a primer in order to get the paint to stay, and usually also a sealant coat of clear finishing product. Otherwise normal handling will cause the paint to rub off the metal or plastic surface fairly quickly. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:18:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNITGD030144 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:18:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HNINxR011079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNHmgQ087475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNHjUg020387; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:17:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz (fep02.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.244]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNHfMP020259 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:17:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.187.155]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060717231735.ZYXE17995.fep02.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:17:35 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.1/390]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:17:35 +1200 Message-ID: <004b01c6a9f7$2fca9660$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060717183528.81554.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) 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Status: RO > Thanks to all who replied on and off list: I am going to try the nail varnish - if no luck, then acrylic and if all fails, suggest the paperclip (which is a good idea for me personally but maybe not for my v. nice customer). The tab is cream, I'm guessing, from experience, thatit is metal painted cream. The dress is green.. Why not dye the tab? Paint takes dye, I've had a few mishaps in this regard, it won't chip off, except when the original piant will chip off. I also like the idea of a feature zip pull. But if that is an option, make sure her hair won't get tangled in it! Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 17/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:21:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNLWe3030194 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:21:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HNLQSW012135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:21:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJVsqS051719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HJVsap015268; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6HIZYa0059127 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 81556 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2006 18:35:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KzhvnKCNOWKPXI/bjNtGmWlt6gP0CehXVKmsWsWYFSb3Yv3DWfYQtwdyKVsd5lc2HF5I09oxn80GNZvXP2phxb9WKyjli9BtxTMQw9Omlep38CL8LG7O2Iley8+8tDDliQ7yqKnHCjPtxLlQ/NiTXYZb6JOaE4DZnnFlwztbbRY= ; Message-ID: <20060717183528.81554.qmail@web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25714.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:35:28 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:35:28 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) 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Status: RO Thanks to all who replied on and off list: I am going to try the nail varnish - if no luck, then acrylic and if all fails, suggest the paperclip (which is a good idea for me personally but maybe not for my v. nice customer). Katherine (brain stumped by heat as much as anything complicated!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:24:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNOges030221 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:24:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HNOaDC013126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:24:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNN17P088046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNMwHA023956; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNMs5b023905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.223] (209-148-118-223.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6HNMqV2028754 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:22:53 -0700 Message-ID: <44BC1BCD.3050401@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:22:53 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: h-cost was "Subject Lines" - Reinventing the Wheel & public replies References: <20060717230329.17287.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060717230329.17287.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:24:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BC1C34.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO , I just want to say TOUGH if you don't like it. My opinions are as valid as yours. Meanwhile, I am trying to present a constructive solution that might help you and others. I gave up subscribing to digests for any list as soon as I discovered filters, precisely because filters are much more efficient. For one thing, you can set up subject filters that work with all the lists you subscribe to, and with non-email-list messages. For example, one of my subject filters is "Virus Warning." I have a body filter that puts everything with the word "Nigeria" anywhere in it into my Trash folder, because so far every message I've ever gotten with "Nigeria" in it is some sort of spam/con. - I skimmed hundreds, literally, after the hurricane last year but you know what , I was glad to know everyone was still alive and ok. Yes, I can read well enough to skim hundreds of headers too. However, I don't see why I should spend the time when I don't have to. The point is not whether people should be warm-hearted and help each other. The point is whether on an unrelated list they should keep all or most of it to private email. Although to be honest I'm considering it after this latest bout of po-faced negativity. Insstead of presenting a situation whether either you or I have to quit h-costume, and perhaps asking other people to take sides as to which of us should quit, why not do or suggest something constructive? There are technical solutions, if not 100% perfect ones, to the problem of what to do with too much untargeted information on the Internet. For me, filters are more effective than email list digests. If you don't like the idea of filters, what is your constructive suggestion? Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:28:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNSNoi030255 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:28:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HNSFqL025922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:28:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNPsrK088358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNPr1m025865; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNPnc8025761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6HNPio5011687 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:25:47 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49754.72.13.239.193.1153178747.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <44BC132C.8080406@lavoltapress.com> References: <44BC132C.8080406@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:28:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BC1D0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Although I thought other people also thought maybe there was a bit too > much off-topic and personal chat, I assume "the one individual" means > me. If not, who is it? Hey, it's not just one individual - there are two of us at least! As far as people unsubbing, there were some implications of that, such as not wanting to lose the list as a resource or suggestions that people can go elsewhere. Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I hate change. One change that I see in various places on the internet is drama. I really enjoy the on-topic, serious, "professional", scholarly tone of H-Costume — even those new to costume or new to the list can see that. Although some may feel intimidated to post at first, they can see that we're high on information and low on noise. So when I see things happening that are personal, chatty, off-topic, gossip, what-have-you, I cringe a bit and hope it will stop very soon. I don't want to lose the people, the flavor, and the topics that remind me why I enjoy historic costume so much. And while a couple of people have commented that they did not think it was a problem, I have not seen anything saying that they think it's great to go off-topic, or that it's fun to read one-liners over and over, or that it's helpful to speculate about someone's personal life. On a lighter note, for those who enjoy a parody of Internet Drama: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXUHy8vrVY0 -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:42:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNgRKX030457 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:42:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HNgL8J019167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNfgYG090161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNfeK0036768; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNfcv1036746 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:41:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so222201uge for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gsprjc98vGv/vWzFfpLx7H0b+zPYsJswbzO3Ri/LDvMsqnk1mXaaJYxQUdVK2+ruOFevXSZBkLYOxQ+3+E1fi1iv4xnsbN4tXuVA13w/SbX+cB1uqiv8vYNO0t35Rc0j2jqpZhd0aWEWJrmE3y7Nh53PqZ8D8Psmo1Zt/8txSPo= Received: by 10.67.24.13 with SMTP id b13mr2999747ugj; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.95.5 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590607171641n1df1f6eby9faa705c25e5756c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:41:37 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: h-cost was "Subject Lines" - Reinventing the Wheel & public replies In-Reply-To: <44BC1BCD.3050401@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060717230329.17287.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <44BC1BCD.3050401@lavoltapress.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:42:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BC205D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Okay, at the risk of posting a "me too" message, I'd like to see something that would help filter out some of the extra chatty messages. I'm on a lot of email lists and I have limited time to read email some days, so being able to filter out the chat stuff, that I usually do no more than read, or delete unread if I can detect it, would be a great time saver for me. If there is a way that we can do that, it would be great. alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 19:52:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNq5Nh030626 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:52:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6HNpw7A002021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNpDJn091145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNpAHM043181; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6HNp5jR043105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1D2F4D4242; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D72D4107 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:50:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:50:45 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c6a9fb$dabe5530$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200607172227.k6HMRdOW082383@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6HNp5jR043105 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: deleting posts and post headers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:52:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BC229E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I would find all the prefixes far too cumbersome, and frankly I don't think the majority on the list would use them; consequently it might confuse the list further. We can't get people to change subject headers, let alone use prefixes. Can't tell you the number of times I've come in late to a discussion, only to find what is being discussed has nothing remotely to do with the subject. This system works well for a disciplined group. I was on a writer's group that used this system effectively. Here? Sorry, no. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 20:53:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I0r7ej032567 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:53:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I0r0BE015415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:53:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I0qPWh099796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I0qFA6081760; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I0qBqm081651 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.162.49]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:52:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 17:52:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.162.200 by by108fd.bay108.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:52:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.217.53.244] X-Originating-Email: [robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: robinandkellydorman@hotmail.com From: "RobinandKelly Dorman" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:52:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2006 00:52:06.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[642DEBC0:01C6AA04] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] subject lines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BC30EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran wrote: >You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to how >_all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts interest them >most, than to simply complain, argue about what is acceptable, have people >quit the group, etc.? Isn't rather presumptous to assume that your suggestions would be considered improvements by "all" h-costume members? Personally, I prefer making people more inclined to post, not less. As my "delete" button is functional, I simply move on if a post is not one I'm interested in. As I stated before, why does h-costume (or any group) have an obligation to meet your individual needs? Not all groups are suited for all individuals; if it's not a good fit - move on. Perhaps you would be more satisfied owning your own group, where it would be appropriate for you to dictate the standards. Kelly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 21:15:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1Fjef000969 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:15:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I1FdSi021906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1EtjC003059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1Er4K095753; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1EoFA095708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.223] (209-148-118-223.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6I1ElPq018096 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:49 -0700 Message-ID: <44BC3608.1070500@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:14:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BC363B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO All I see here is a desire to insinuate that I have said several things I never said, and that I do not think, and generally to flame. And no suggestions of yours as to how to make things better. If you want to flame me, take it to private email. I won't answer it, but it may make you feel better. I doubt extensive public expression of your dislike for me will make anyone else feel better. Fran RobinandKelly Dorman wrote: > Fran wrote: > >> You don't think it is better to present constructive suggestions as to >> how _all_ h-costume members can focus on which of the many posts >> interest them most, than to simply complain, argue about what is >> acceptable, have people quit the group, etc.? > > > Isn't rather presumptous to assume that your suggestions would be > considered improvements by "all" h-costume members? > Personally, I prefer making people more inclined to post, not less. As > my "delete" button is functional, I simply move on if a post is not one > I'm interested in. > As I stated before, why does h-costume (or any group) have an obligation > to meet your individual needs? Not all groups are suited for all > individuals; if it's not a good fit - move on. Perhaps you would be more > satisfied owning your own group, where it would be appropriate for you > to dictate the standards. > Kelly > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 21:32:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1WE8K001353 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I1W80O028132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:32:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1Vc86005582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1VVrc006120; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.america.net (qsmtp4.america.net [69.60.160.247]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I1VSuh006089 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggie.gene@justinanimator.com) Received: from [65.125.64.149] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp4.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2eQp-0002hE-PK for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:31:27 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060717203004.019e69f0@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:30:39 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: <44BC3608.1070500@lavoltapress.com> References: <44BC3608.1070500@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] To the lady in charge of this list? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BC3A18.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Could you please contact me privately? Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 22:01:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I21Ivr002052 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:01:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I21DAs025320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:01:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I20YsX010755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I20UCv025285; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I20PPu025190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6I3tx6o030830 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:56:00 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:14:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607172114.15174.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:01:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BC40E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Monday 17 July 2006 1:53 am, Robin Netherton wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > > So what about a system of CHAT: for chat, compliments, me-toos, > > computer problems, off-topic, and in short everything not a > > substantive message on costuming, versus no header at all for > > everything else? > > That strikes me as being more likely to succeed, and to be useful, than > asking that every post be tagged in some way, which is what I thought you > were suggesting originally. For what it's worth; I didn't read Fran's original suggestion as "asking that every post be tagged in some way." I thought she was only recommending that we establish a small set (no more than 4, say) of common tags (such as "CHAT:") that people would be encouraged to use. I apologize for not having been clearer myself. I don't think that more can be done on *any* list, since the only practical means of enforcement (cutting off the offender's list access) would tend to kill off the list. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 22:14:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2EIfs002389 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:14:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I2EDpP005740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:14:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2DftV012266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:13:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2DaRV033032; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2DVTk032990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.186] (209-148-118-186.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.186]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6I2DUew006894 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: <44BC43CA.8070305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:13:30 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) 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Status: RO > > For what it's worth; I didn't read Fran's original suggestion as "asking that > every post be tagged in some way." I thought she was only recommending that > we establish a small set (no more than 4, say) of common tags (such as > "CHAT:") that people would be encouraged to use. I apologize for not having > been clearer myself. Exactly, and I'm sorry if I confused people by using the term "header" to mean tag/prefix for a subject line. Which on retrospect was bad idea, because if you want to modify an actual message header you have to hack it, which is only done by people like spammers. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 22:42:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2grwE003290 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:42:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I2gmq0011654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:42:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2gFlb015685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2gDHI049360; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I2gAgq049331 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m216.in-tch.com [216.166.191.216]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k6I2VTK23907 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:31:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006601c6aa14$ddf92b80$d8bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <44BC132C.8080406@lavoltapress.com> <49754.72.13.239.193.1153178747.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:49:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BC4AA8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO May I add that some of us have just been staying *out* of the whole mess? ;o) I'm on H-costume for the sheer variety of topics and times and talents, from the long-time amateurs such as myself to the professionals in theatre or research--it's all yummy. (and no, I didn't start out intending to make them all "t" words, but it's really hot here, so what the heck....) I don't mind the occasional chattiness at all--if there's a whole bunch of "me, too" posts, I just delete them as I would any thread in which I have no interest. So here's one person who will upfront say that she likes the chat. It's a bit like being in a room full of people (as in a party, or a fun convention), all talking about similar things, all at once, and I tune in to what I want to listen to and contribute to. I don't find myself cringing in the least (groaning, occasionally, though, if something goes on and on and on, as this whole mess seems to be....) On the other hand, I have enough to do with my work and leisure time without fussing over whether I've got the right freaking "tag" in my subject line. I already do try to remember the basics of "OT" for "off-topic," or "OOP" for "out of period" on time-restricted lists, and things like changing subject lines. And I really don't see much "speculation" over anyone's personal life that's uninvited. Frankly, if someone drops a big, blue note in the middle of the list, I think they're asking for comment, or they wouldn't be going to the trouble of typing it up and sending it. Ditto, snarky words or sneaky comments, or outright rudeness. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] subject lines > > Although I thought other people also thought maybe there was a bit too > > much off-topic and personal chat, I assume "the one individual" means > > me. If not, who is it? > > Hey, it's not just one individual - there are two of us at least! > > As far as people unsubbing, there were some implications of that, > such as not wanting to lose the list as a resource or suggestions > that people can go elsewhere. > > Maybe it's because I'm getting old, but I hate change. One change > that I see in various places on the internet is drama. I really > enjoy the on-topic, serious, "professional", scholarly tone of > H-Costume - even those new to costume or new to the list can see > that. Although some may feel intimidated to post at first, they can > see that we're high on information and low on noise. > > So when I see things happening that are personal, chatty, off-topic, > gossip, what-have-you, I cringe a bit and hope it will stop very > soon. I don't want to lose the people, the flavor, and the topics > that remind me why I enjoy historic costume so much. > > And while a couple of people have commented that they did not think > it was a problem, I have not seen anything saying that they think > it's great to go off-topic, or that it's fun to read one-liners over > and over, or that it's helpful to speculate about someone's personal > life. > > On a lighter note, for those who enjoy a parody of Internet Drama: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXUHy8vrVY0 > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 17 23:12:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I3CNb9003932 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:12:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I3CITB007098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I3Bbpw019445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:11:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I3BYee065898; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I3BVRA065832 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:11:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from M311@aol.com) Received: from M311@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.597.d515d5 (43931) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: M311@aol.com Message-ID: <597.d515d5.31edab5b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:11:23 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] off topic---chat--looking for X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:12:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BC5192.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:03:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: I was glad to know everyone was still alive and ok I have been wondering if a certain person is still on the list. I can't remember her name exactly. She lived in Israel. Does it ring a bell? I was wondering if she was okay. Thanks, Kelly m311@aol.com www.mysensaria.com/time2spa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 00:11:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I4BJAE005953 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:11:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I4BEfT021138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:11:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I4ATpL026438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I4AQD7097416; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I4ALcN097342 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:10:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.571.229fa3b (41812) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <571.229fa3b.31edb923@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:10:11 EDT Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:11:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BC5F62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Can we kill this discussion? There's nothing wrong with this list. If something comes up that you don't want to read, don't read it. If you accidentally read something you find to be a waste of time, well boo hoo! Who here has spent any significant amount of time reading such things? This place is an oasis of fine tuned subjects compared to many other lists. We don't need any more policing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 01:16:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I5GEja007302 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:16:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I5G8Jg010765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:16:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I5FRWk034715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:15:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I5FLZ4032467; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:15:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I5FIvW032439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:15:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.199] (209-148-118-199.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6I5FGDa007366 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:15:17 -0700 Message-ID: <44BC6E43.3040803@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:14:43 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) 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Status: RO > Can we kill this discussion? > There's nothing wrong with this list. > If something comes up that you don't want to read, don't read it. If you > accidentally read something you find to be a waste of time, well boo hoo! Who > here has spent any significant amount of time reading such things? Like many other people on the list, there are _some_ messages you don't want to process at all--or you would not ask to have a discussion killed instead of just ignoring those messages. I understand. I feel the same way. When it became clear that people had different ideas about which discussions are irrelevant and uninteresting, I proposed the idea of filters to see what people thought of it. Some like the idea, some don't. OK. Any inference (not yours, I know) that I'm trying to take over h-costume or impose standards on everyone by making such a suggestion is absurd--it's not even technically possible. So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 05:38:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I9cKvM029474 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:38:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6I9cDkw002906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:38:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I9bRJj066126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I9bKMD074920; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I9bF5u074847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id B5655849DA; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (unknown [216.110.230.78]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255C5849D6 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:37:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:36:54 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c6aa4d$becbd170$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200607180200.k6I20XDs025311@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6I9bF5u074847 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: subject lines X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:38:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BCAC05.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran wrote: Anyone who wishes is welcome to filter out all my emails by my sender address, or any other means their email program or ISP supports. Unless a person is receiving digest format, in which case you get all the good and bad anyway, scan subjects, and choose from there. The fact people don't change subject lines often means I scan subjects, scroll down through the digest, find what is being currently discussed has nothing to do with the subject, and so I delete. A goodly number of digests end up being deleted because I grow weary having to sort through all the messages of a digest, scroll through all the un-snipped background, or in some cases, entire digests. Not to be a wet blanket, but people don't change subject lines. They aren't going to use prefixes with any consistency either. Not here. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 10:07:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE7OEI024669 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IE7IgS018474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE6RvW098198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE6LiM038192; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6I7OKPG001667 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:24:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB4F26303E2; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:18:39 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:24:22 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c6aa3b$313e59c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44BC6E43.3040803@lavoltapress.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-DCC-servers-Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6I7OKPG001667 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BCEB16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Not being a computer person, I don't know if this is possible: When you have a "reply" to a post, whether it is a contribution or just a compliment, would it be possible to make the computer automatically put a "reply" notice in the topic window, along with the original topic line? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:15 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Prefixes for headers? (was: Re: [h-cost] The delete button...) > Can we kill this discussion? > There's nothing wrong with this list. > If something comes up that you don't want to read, don't read it. If > you > accidentally read something you find to be a waste of time, well boo hoo! Who > here has spent any significant amount of time reading such things? Like many other people on the list, there are _some_ messages you don't want to process at all--or you would not ask to have a discussion killed instead of just ignoring those messages. I understand. I feel the same way. When it became clear that people had different ideas about which discussions are irrelevant and uninteresting, I proposed the idea of filters to see what people thought of it. Some like the idea, some don't. OK. Any inference (not yours, I know) that I'm trying to take over h-costume or impose standards on everyone by making such a suggestion is absurd--it's not even technically possible. So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 10:09:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE9PWj024723 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:09:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IE9KsC019304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:09:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE8WXZ098601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE8VKY040357; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ICwf5E088221 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:58:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.54]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20060718125836.VRJC3855.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:58:36 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.54]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20060718125835.FLSJ560.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:58:35 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060718075724.02d1cd80@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:58:30 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] exhibit of interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BCEB90.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Julian, Unfortunately, we are not going to the UK this year, but this exhibit in Manchester looks quite interesting: Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD http://www.whitworth.man.ac.uk/collections/search/display-exh/index.htm?irn=858&QueryPage=%2Fcollections%2Fsearch%2Fexhibitions%2Findex.htm I'll have to tack down a copy of the catalogue! Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 10:22:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEMfCt025002 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:22:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IEMZH3017949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:22:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEM4u7000527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:22:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEM161052871; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IELwoN052803 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12184 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:00:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:00:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] exhibit of interest In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20060718075724.02d1cd80@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BCEEAB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Unfortunately, we are not going to the UK this year, but this exhibit in > Manchester looks quite interesting: > Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD > http://www.whitworth.man.ac.uk/collections/search/display-exh/index.htm?irn=858&QueryPage=%2Fcollections%2Fsearch%2Fexhibitions%2Findex.htm > > I'll have to tack down a copy of the catalogue! I have a flyer for it right here. The title is the same as the exhibit; author is Frances Pritchard, the Curator for Textiles there. 160 pages, 195 illustrations. ISBN 0-903261-57-X. Price is 25 English pounds (sorry, can't get the pound sign quickly in this program). Shipping in the UK is 5.50 pounds, rest of Europe 7 pounds, rest of world 14 pounds airmail or 7 pounds surface mail. To order, contact: The Whitworth Art Gallery University of Manchester Oxford Road Manchester, M15 6ER ENGLAND e-mail: whitworth@manchester.ac.uk --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 10:49:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEnZhl025554 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:49:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IEnTB5004844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:49:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEmwC1005578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEmsYO078889; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IEmotF078766 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.433.592e4e3 (48624) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <433.592e4e3.31ee4ecb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:48:43 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] an open note to Fran [others don't read it if you don't want to] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:49:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BCF4F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/18/2006 1:16:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. *********************** The initial discussion was actually OK...but it went on and on. You are a valuable member of the list, and I meant no personal attack...on ANYBODY. And, anyway, you books on bustle gowns just get better and better every time I open them! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 11:52:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IFqeuu026990 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:52:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IFqYZ1029396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:52:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IFq55P017129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IFpqCN040701; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IFplbe040622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.8] (209-148-118-8.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6IFpiOn001572 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: <44BD0390.4050103@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:51:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: subject lines References: <000201c6aa4d$becbd170$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <000201c6aa4d$becbd170$6400a8c0@MAIN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:52:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BD03C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Unless a person is receiving digest format, in which case you get > all the good and bad anyway, scan subjects, and choose from there. That is why I find individual messages to be more efficient than digests. You can set up a mail folder for a specific e-group, and have all messages from that group automatically directed to it on downloa. You can then skim through the subject headers without reading the emails just as if it were a digest. You can filter all emails from specific senders, and subjects of frequent occurence and definite disinterest, directly into your trash folder, and so on. I do agree that accurate subject lines, with or without prefixes such as CHAT:, are an excellent thing. I also like Yahoo lists because you can drop in and read emails now and then whenever you feel like it, without receiving messages automatically, or you can receive them automatically if you prefer. Yahoo also keeps archives. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 12:04:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG4cQf027370 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:04:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IG4Wm7001976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG3tk7018754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG3rBO051730; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:03:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (mxo2.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG3l9I051547 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo2.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9275158015 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200607181552.k6IFqMkb041175@net.indra.com> References: <200607181552.k6IFqMkb041175@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:03:25 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flat caps... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:04:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BD0690.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HI Not to interrupt the subject line discussion or anything but how late were the 'flat caps' (ones that look like a short stack) worn? In England? In the American Colonies? I've seen a ref on the web that suggests they lingered in London long enough to become a slang ID for Londoners, but no dates no back up refs. Thanks Carol --something new on the needles! -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 12:20:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGKtX9027819 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:20:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IGKkP0029711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:20:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGKO8v021680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGKIqa067493; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGKEwI067365 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos2.cos.agilent.com (relcos2.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.237]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344875CAF for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com [130.29.153.221]) by relcos2.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2120E146D74 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:08 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:07 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoats - Regency Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:20:07 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96401000DD4@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Bodiced Petticoats - Regency Thread-Index: Acap8Jc5npsLUM98Rau+/wDVZpAc/gAkqhrg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2006 16:20:07.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[08FDD3F0:01C6AA86] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6IGKEwI067365 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:20:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BD0A5E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm making a bodiced petticoat, based off of the picture in _The History of Underclothes_ by the Cunnington's. Unfortunately, it's from the 1820s but it was the only picture of a bodiced petticoat I could find (the others were all re-drawings), so that's why I went with that one. If you have pictures of extant bodiced petticoat's that are earlier, I'd appreciate the references, even if the photos aren't as clear as we might wish :-) I am draping the bodiced petticoat myself, so I can't give you any recommendations vis-à-vis patterns. For fabric I'm using cotton muslin (due to cost and availability issues). I believe that for the early regency era they would likely have used linen, rather then cotton (I can't remember where I ran across that info, as I've been very surprised by how little there is on regency underclothes...it may have been from the documentation in Kannik's Corner's "Woman's Shift 1790-1820" pattern - which is adorable! Even if it is a trifle fussy to make.) Sorry to not be more helpful. -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 12:29:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGTk7Y028091 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:29:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IGTdDH005297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:29:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGSIGd022980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGSGai074818; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGSA49074716 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12575 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:06:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:06:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: subject lines In-Reply-To: <44BD0390.4050103@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:29:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BD0C73.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Lavolta Press wrote: > I also like Yahoo lists because you can drop in and read emails now > and then whenever you feel like it, without receiving messages > automatically, or you can receive them automatically if you prefer. > Yahoo also keeps archives. H-cost is now archived in two or three places, and you can choose to read online rather than getting messages automatically (though you would probably want to reply from your own e-mail box). http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html I've found these useful for keeping up with the list while I am traveling. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 12:34:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGYwvc028266 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:34:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IGYqWa028684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGYUr7023834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGYReP080415; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:34:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound3.mail.tds.net (outbound3.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGYI4V080280 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:34:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound3.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6IGY8aW008150 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:34:08 -0500 Received: from Hal ([69.21.249.97]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20060718163408.BRNJ22195.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@Hal> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:34:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c6aa87$ffd9ab80$0200a8c0@Hal> From: "Robert Dorr" To: References: <200607181552.k6IFqMkb041175@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:34:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BD0DAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello, I post rarely, but I do have a question, and due to the heat, or just natural issues with geometry, I'm having a problem with Margot Anderson's doublet pattern. I've sewn up a number of them, the sewing goes great, and they used to fit before I put on some weight. The doublet still fits through the body, but....they no longer fit at the collarbone, which is an odd spot for a fitting issue. I can't fasten the buttons, even after moving them onto the edge binding, so that some of the smock shows behind the buttonhole. Does anyone have a suggestion for where to add the extra material, or how to add it, so that it isn't obvious? Considering the amount of work I've put into them (average 20 handmade, pearled, buttons, and buttonholes on each one; plus, embroidery inspired by Bjarne) I'd rather not give them to the Barony's loaner garb. Many thanks for any suggestions, Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 12:47:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGl1tB028653 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:47:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IGks66010391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:46:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGkZEE025483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGkVhG091294; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGkQhh091182 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:46:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.66]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20060718164621.JSHZ4897.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:46:21 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.66]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20060718164620.JQTL8966.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:46:20 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060718114004.02829ec0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:46:04 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200607181552.k6IFqMkb041175@net.indra.com> References: <200607181552.k6IFqMkb041175@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: exhibit of interest X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:46:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BD107E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the additional details, Robin. I have an email to the Whitworth already on the way... Beth > Clothing Culture: Dress in Egypt in the First Millennium AD > I'll have to track down a copy of the catalogue! >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:00:45 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton > >I have a flyer for it right here. The title is the same as the exhibit; >author is Frances Pritchard, the Curator for Textiles there. 160 pages, >195 illustrations. ISBN 0-903261-57-X. Price is 25 English pounds (sorry, >can't get the pound sign quickly in this program). Shipping in the UK is >5.50 pounds, rest of Europe 7 pounds, rest of world 14 pounds airmail or 7 >pounds surface mail. > >To order, contact: > >The Whitworth Art Gallery >University of Manchester >Oxford Road >Manchester, M15 6ER >ENGLAND >e-mail: whitworth@manchester.ac.uk > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 12:51:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGp5Or028814 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:51:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IGox6o018654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:51:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGoPZk026153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:50:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGoM2t094743; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IGoIne094602 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EEC3C83C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:50:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44BD1177.2080800@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:51:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues References: <200607181552.k6IFqMkb041175@net.indra.com> <002301c6aa87$ffd9ab80$0200a8c0@Hal> In-Reply-To: <002301c6aa87$ffd9ab80$0200a8c0@Hal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BD1173.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robert Dorr wrote: > > The doublet still fits through the body, but....they no longer fit at > the collarbone, which is an odd spot for a fitting issue. I can't fasten > the buttons, even after moving them onto the edge binding, so that some > of the smock shows behind the buttonhole. Could this be because of added weight at the upper chest and back? Can you put inserts into the center back or back side seams to widen the back? Something like a narrow strip of contrasting bias which could look like a seam trim? Perhaps slashes across the upper chest area? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 13:12:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IHCVjm029528 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:12:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IHCPxu018683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:12:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE7VZq098331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:07:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE7Ubk039222; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:07:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6I8PKpZ033281 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 69430 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2006 08:25:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QOoEycbIzimwwHr0neAnith111DN8yAkgWf1Z2Q3l7I5BmIH4z0P9uc07lhpAnrtFyAouS7m08BXLfXG+N9SojRpLZnhOjVYcHxJPGbEitwGNpYNue3B1FuPA7IGMgn4WMH025ESZWMiQUps2hpvorLbg6+9zvw1sbD3Us/aVaA= ; Message-ID: <20060718082514.69428.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:25:14 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:25:14 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] h-cost: subject lines & reinventing the wheel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:12:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BD1679.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Fran wrote: >My opinions are as valid as yours. Ditto, which is why I suggested simply skimming/deleting. To be honest, I can't see how anyone finds the second or two it takes to realise a message isn't worth reading a real and serious drain on their time (since I get the digest). If I'm too busy, I just let the mail pile up and get on with whatever is so important. Maybe you're on too many lists? (I unsubscribed from a lot last year for the same reason, BION). >Meanwhile, I am trying to present a constructive solution that might help you and others. Dandy. >I gave up subscribing to digests for any list as soon as I discovered filters, precisely because filters are much more efficient. Yup, I filter /lots/ - but the sheer volume here means that a digest is by far the quickest way to get through the noise-to-content and find out what I need. >The point is not whether people should be warm-hearted and help each other. The point is whether on an >unrelated list they should keep all or most of it to private email. Two things: helping people is - for me - what makes the net useful. Whether that's all the assistance I've had from the people on this list or copying pages from a book for someone or donating stuff after a natural disaster: none of it would be possible without the internet and this list. When it goes off topic - and yup, it does it more than I'd like sometimes - I just zip past. The second is that I don't see the point (and this is /not/ personal) in complaining about it since it really honestly doesn't affect my life that much and people are needing to chat/talk/share unrelated info. If they need to, fine, I don't usually. That's all. >Insstead of presenting a situation whether either you or I have to quit h-costume, and perhaps asking other >people to take sides as to which of us should quit, why not do or suggest something constructive? I don't think that is an option, is it? It isn't a duel at the OK Corral and I certainly hadn't seen it like that - until you suggested it! As for other folk taking sides... I think that a) we're all adults and b) the debate is rather more about the relative tolerance of chat and noise outside costuming. That is going to vary with each individual and how they feel that hour/day. It's certainly nothing more personal than that and I assumed you wouldn't take it as such, given previous discussions. IF people feel like saying OT in a header why not see if it works, informally? I know that discussions are often taken off list but it would be a shame if people took costume related chat offline in case anyone got ticked off and we missed out. Me, I'd rather wade through miles of "how cool" than miss where the original inspiration for the garment/research/technique came from. YMMV, as they say. Katherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 13:12:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IHCVjk029528 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:12:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IHCPxs018683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:12:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE7qhJ098430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IE7pT2039621; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IAJJxx097432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k6IAJw4x031184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:19:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k6IAJwGH031181 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:19:58 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:19:58 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: subject lines In-Reply-To: <000201c6aa4d$becbd170$6400a8c0@MAIN> Message-ID: References: <000201c6aa4d$becbd170$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Decna-MailScanner-Information: http://www.decna.no Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. 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Status: RO On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > Not to be a wet blanket, but people don't change subject lines. They > aren't going to use prefixes with any consistency either. Not here. It may be possible that it's a lost cause. But couldn't we try? :) If everyone spent thirty seconds more for each post to trim the quotes and double-check the subject line, I think that would be a huge step in a direction that many of us would be very happy with. The problem that someone mentioned of making the subject line describe a post with several different topics, can easily be solved by making a separate post per topic. That way it's also easier to catch the eye of the people who know something about the specific topics, and so everyone gains from it - the poster gets more specific replies, interested parties find good discussions, and those not interested can delete. To me, the "just delete what you don't like" is fair advice in a group like this - but the fact of the matter is that it doesn't work if you can't be sure what's in a post before you've read the entire thing. So if everyone just takes a second to glance at the subject line before they post, that really does help a lot. :) Ingrid -- Follow your dreams. Unless it's the one where you go to work naked. -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Decna as - www.decna.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Decna as - www.decna.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 13:29:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IHTqAW030106 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:29:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IHTj2c024405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:29:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IHSUKY032193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:28:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IHRuTE029770; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IHRhj1029474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.8] (209-148-118-8.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6IHRbSq010649 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:27:38 -0700 Message-ID: <44BD1A0A.9070808@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:27:38 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] h-cost: subject lines & reinventing the wheel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BD1A8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >To be honest, I can't see how anyone finds the second or two it takes >to realise a message isn't worth reading a real and serious drain on >their time (since I get the digest). You've heard my opinions on digests versus filters. >If I'm too busy, I just let the mail pile up and get on with whatever >is so important. Maybe you're on too many lists? (I unsubscribed from a >lot last year for the same reason, BION). H-costume and the translators' list are the only ones from which I receive messages directly, that have any high volume of mail. I'm on a couple of others that are in the three-emails-a-day category. The thing is: There are enormous quantities of information available on the Internet and elsewhere. The ability to sort out what information you want, from what you don't, is increasingly important. The most efficient solutions are technical, not manual. One thing I really want, BTW, is better search engines. Partly as in, ones that don't sort the top results by how much advertising the owners of those websites bought from the search engine company. And I believe in saving ten minutes where I can, because time really adds up (or subtracts down). For example, my computer takes only a few minutes to boot; but unless I'm trying to write down error messages from a problem, there is no point in staring at the monitor when I can make a cup of tea and a fast breakfast during that time (I eat breakfast and lunch at my keyboard). Or, I don't like having a bath or a shower as dead time. So every time I go to take a shower I decide on a specific problem to solve that is probably solvable in that amount of time. Like a difficult paragraph or two to write. Or a specific decision to make. Usually I come out with the answer. I also sometimes set problems for thinking about at odd hours during the night, if I wake up. Especially for the time right after I wake up in the morning and have the dilemma about how to get up to drink some caffeine, without the energy the caffeine gives me to get up. The problem gives me something useful to do in the meantime. I get a lot done that way. BTW, a number of writers have told me these tips were useful to them, so maybe they will be for some people on this list. I also spend most of my hours processing information, by reading, writing, and thinking. There's a lot more of it available than I can ever process, so throwing out all the info I don't want to read is extremely important to me. I've got thousands of books, and I've got a couple of hundred on my immediate to-read pile. And there is a lot of information on the Internet, which is a pain to sort out because there is such a high proportion of it that I don't want. However, I figure that many other people feel the same way, or they wouldn't complain about subject lines and snipping. >Two things: helping people is - for me - what makes the net useful. For me, what makes the Internet useful is information. I spend my whole professional life trying to be useful. That's what writing is about, especially nonfiction. If you're any good, professional writing is never about you, even when it appears to be. It's always about the reader--what will inform the reader, entertain the reader, do for the reader whatever that publication is supposed to do. >The second is that I don't see the >point (and this is /not/ personal) >in complaining about it since it >really honestly doesn't affect my >life that much and people are needing >to chat/talk/share unrelated >info. If they need to, fine, I don't >usually. That's all. I complained, then I moved on to trying to solve the problem with the technical solutions that are available and that I believe to be most effective. I see no problem in also offering those solutions to others. As I said, I'm not normally a chat person--and BTW most of this message qualifies as chat from my point of view. I want all conversations to be informative, interesting, challenging, productive. My favorite people have always been computer geeks or science nerds. They're never boring and they get straight to the point. I'd much rather be around people who are intelligent than people who are conventionally "nice." Especially since niceness and kindness are not the same thing, just as belonging to a clique is not the same thing as friendship. >It isn't a duel at the OK Corral and I certainly hadn't seen it like >that - until you suggested it! Come on. It would be a great event. Although I'd actually prefer rapiers at dawn for an earlier era, if you don't mind. More romantic, and I'd look awful in a cowboy hat. > Me, I'd rather wade through miles of "how cool" than miss where the > original inspiration for the garment/research/technique came from. YMMV, > as they say. Now there is where we definitely disagree. If I could avoid wading through 100% of the stuff that doesn't interest me I'd be overjoyed. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 14:21:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IILpJd031973 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:21:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IILgvg028635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:21:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIJkbs040867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIJYpB080294; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIJUM7080129 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x66so1997854pye for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:19:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CfcTJ3xqKnlUSf6J5Bz84gXzcJpFswOShgamDyPtr5L13C8bCrIwxP1IKyLn8qX8cgaLMW8oMd8rHHLVAWa/7H0pd7NA1M89zhhEUbaU/cz3mScZmLHth+C7LKehoUJjYXgzz4n1yTf6P1/96heTptNnMXKHXl5BC/FDjGOJkuc= Received: by 10.35.62.19 with SMTP id p19mr5873716pyk; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:19:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:19:24 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:21:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BD26B6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/17/2006 12:09:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk writes: >Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in >the locale so I could always take it out and put in a regular one but this is >so cool and makes it look like just another seam... until you get to the tab >at the top! Remove the icky colored tab & replace with a Swarovsky crystal "jewel", a wine glass charm or a vintage sterling charm bracelet element. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 14:27:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIRu6f032148 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:27:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IIRnmD004444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIOc0i041523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIObix084807; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound1.mail.tds.net (outbound1.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IIOYSJ084770 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:24:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta01.mail.tds.net (outaamta01.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.31]) by outbound1.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6IIOX73001784 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:33 -0500 Received: from Hal ([69.21.249.97]) by outaamta01.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20060718182433.MWMD12674.outaamta01.mail.tds.net@Hal> for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:24:33 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c6aa97$6c955f30$0200a8c0@Hal> From: "Robert Dorr" To: References: <200607181800.k6II0G1Z061701@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:24:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:27:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BD2825.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Could this be because of added weight at the upper chest and back? Can >you put inserts into the center back or back side seams to widen the >back? >Dawn Oh, d'oh, I never thought of weight on the back...I can't do anything with centre back, but, I may be able to tweak where the armhole meets the back side seam. (I have a half finished one that I haven't finished binding) I may just end up putting something at the front and extend the button side of the doublet (buttonholes are already worked, else I'd have added the material symmetrically) Thank you for the thought, Dawn, Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 15:03:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IJ3EId000718 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6IJ388D008164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG45H4018771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:04:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG41Wv051872; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:04:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6IG3s2B051761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:03:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.8] (209-148-118-8.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6IG3r9s006532 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:03:54 -0700 Message-ID: <44BD066A.9050602@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:03:54 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] an open note to Fran [others don't read it if you don't want to] References: <433.592e4e3.31ee4ecb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <433.592e4e3.31ee4ecb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:03:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BD306C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I know you didn't mean a personal attack on me, Albert. Which was why I was unable to resist saying that--I knew you wouldn't take it as one either. And I would hope you know I think you're a valuable list member too. So, how do you feel about a FLAME: prefix? Fran AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/18/2006 1:16:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > fran@lavoltapress.com writes: > > So, now we can all go back to flaming each other and asking for > discussions to be killed whenever =someone gets bored. > > > > *********************** > > The initial discussion was actually OK...but it went on and on. > > You are a valuable member of the list, and I meant no personal attack...on > ANYBODY. > And, anyway, you books on bustle gowns just get better and better every time > I open them! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 20:47:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J0lWl1009831 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:47:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6J0lRU4009675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:47:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J0kQTk002417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J0kJmD004410; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J0kGm3004308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G30Ce-0006oX-Qx; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:46:16 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:46:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20060718204616.4wcdt87aoswkgkos@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:46:16 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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Status: RO Anything good to do in Chico? I *will* be there starting next weekend for a few days. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 18 23:03:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J33gYL014417 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:03:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6J33aIV022809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:03:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J32wu2021721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J32sBu079303; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6J32odZ079243 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 52DB236A1C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:02:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:03:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005501c6aa3b$313e59c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Prefixes for headers? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:03:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BDA108.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The RE: or Re: in the subject line = reply and tends to be automatic with most if not all computers. From my understanding. -----Original Message----- Not being a computer person, I don't know if this is possible: When you have a "reply" to a post, whether it is a contribution or just a compliment, would it be possible to make the computer automatically put a "reply" notice in the topic window, along with the original topic line? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 06:25:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JAPW6c019123 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:25:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JAPQUh008316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:25:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JANWTS073776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JANQSY007511; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6JANMKr007434 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17164 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 10:23:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pGlEtz84QrROo6MgO9i2fcbzrZYWjYsJ/ISxaOz5Svl2fHrfYQuqL479lbZ0ae3IJgY2kvi9P/NQtoRF4psN+/aCMaBc6ryFpWxeot2gY+yvwmmtFkcIYrDXh5b4lnZim5Kz6/ey+qE0ykEDJxMVevnrOD1nqaVedSDO/BVIGeQ= ; Message-ID: <20060719102317.17162.qmail@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.241.246.20] by web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:23:17 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:25:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BE0896.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm trying to get the Period Costume for Stage and Screen but between living in a somewhat out of the way area and a full time job (and being out of my bugdet) it hasn't really happened. What I did manage to find is a picture of a petticoat for the last five years of the 19th century in Costume in Detail. The bodice is fantastic in detail for copying - not at all what I would have expected. The down side is that while I can now pattern it and it will fit under the dress I want to make - I can't decide how full the skirt should be. Any idea with yours????? Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 07:19:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JBJg4l000588 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:19:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JBJa1e032635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JBJ2CS082471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JBIxrp037949; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JBIua2037793 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.496.6cb997c (39955) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <496.6cb997c.31ef6f17@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:18:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:19:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BE1548.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/19/2006 6:25:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sarah_nucci@yahoo.com writes: I can't decide how full the skirt should be. Any idea with yours????? How full is your outer skirt? Make it a little narrower. I make almost all of my early 19th century skirts from "Cut of Women's Clothes," of four lengths of 18" width, for a circumference is 72". This might be more narrow than what you are looking for. Add widths to suit. There is a drawing of a bodiced petticoat in Cunnington's "English Women's Clothing in the Nineteenth Century," made from an actual one in the Cunnington's collection. A photo of it is in their "History of Underclothes." Both of these books were available from Dover--not sure if they still are. Check their website. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 08:09:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JC9jfV003319 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:09:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JC9crx027182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:09:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JC91cQ088737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:09:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JC8xWD065670; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:08:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JC8sFd065562 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:08:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-119-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.119.131]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2006 13:08:47 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAIe8vUSBT4hi Received: from 88-107-119-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.119.131]:1803 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G3Aqq-000If8-VE for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:08:29 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060719130415.02424318@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:08:44 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats In-Reply-To: <496.6cb997c.31ef6f17@aol.com> References: <496.6cb997c.31ef6f17@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:09:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BE2103.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:18 19/07/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 7/19/2006 6:25:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >sarah_nucci@yahoo.com writes: > >I can't decide how full the skirt should be. Any idea with yours????? > > > >How full is your outer skirt? Make it a little narrower. I make almost all >of my early 19th century skirts from "Cut of Women's Clothes," of four >lengths of 18" width, for a circumference is 72". This might >be more narrow than >what you are looking for. Add widths to suit. > >There is a drawing of a bodiced petticoat in Cunnington's "English Women's >Clothing in the Nineteenth Century," made from an actual one in the >Cunnington's collection. A photo of it is in their "History of >Underclothes." Both of >these books were available from Dover--not sure if they still are. Check >their website. An original skirt of 1805 in Hunnisett is measured at 90" hem so your petticoat needs to be narrower than that. That one is straight lengths. Others are cut narrower at the top. It very much depends on the shape of your outer skirt, and whether you plan on wearing the petticoat with other garments. I make mine with straight strips of fabric, as being less wasteful, which seems to work. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 09:15:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDFb09007158 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:15:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JDFV6x012919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:15:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDEtOV099812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:14:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDEq1F009319; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDEm9T009287 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:14:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.61.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.61] helo=faucet.net) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1G3Bt1-0007cx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:14:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44BE3DE5.4050202@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:12:53 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues References: <200607181800.k6II0G1Z061701@net.indra.com> <003f01c6aa97$6c955f30$0200a8c0@Hal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BE3073.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Robert Dorr wrote: > > Oh, d'oh, I never thought of weight on the back...I can't do anything > with centre back, but, I may be able to tweak where the armhole meets > the back side seam. (I have a half finished one that I haven't finished > binding) I may just end up putting something at the front and extend the > button side of the doublet (buttonholes are already worked, else I'd > have added the material symmetrically) It sounds like you only need room at the top. You might add a strip all the way down the button side of center front, and then take it in at the side back seams at the waist to correct if it's too loose there. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 10:11:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JEBU7F008566 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:11:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JDYJeZ026579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:34:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDXftM002617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDXcta021974; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JDXYGN021926 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FnKWBW+uMFObeHW9v04vDgoDd3S3OhbGhkPLQPkN/I25ARsCs9ESvTwOhF1GLZay; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.230.93.240] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G3CBB-0002LY-Ct for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:33:34 -0400 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublet issues Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:33:35 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <006001c6ab37$f05b8b00$495de604@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acaql5TOinF8+LrXRvSFlRXy/2M/zgAnueMA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <003f01c6aa97$6c955f30$0200a8c0@Hal> X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b571120f39a0adbdc32739faa87b948a081c176af78f7fbf31ba7be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.230.93.240 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:34:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BE34DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I normally just lurk but, I have just had to go through this same problem with a doublet I spent over 6 months hand beading for a gentleman that was stationed in Iraq. When he got back to the states, he had gained quite a bit of weight through working out everyday. Letting out my back side seams as far as they would go was not enough. I had some of the original material left so I beaded that and inserted a section down each side of the front of the doublet to make it a slashed doublet. This left the front closure centered and intact. Don't know if this will work for you but, my friend was thrilled with the result. He ended up with a garnet beaded and slashed doublet. Now I just have to finish his matching pants. Diane _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 15:27:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJRott018244 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:27:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JJRisd009694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:27:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJJhu3054873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJJQv5032427; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:19:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound4.mail.tds.net (outbound4.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.94]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJJNZ7032361 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bobd2@tellink.net) Received: from outaamta02.mail.tds.net (outaamta02.mail.tds.net [216.170.230.32]) by outbound4.mail.tds.net (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6JJJM31019084 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:19:22 -0500 Received: from Hal ([69.21.249.97]) by outaamta02.mail.tds.net with SMTP id <20060719191922.QDOF22195.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@Hal> for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c6ab68$3d583fe0$0200a8c0@Hal> From: "Robert Dorr" To: References: <200607191801.k6JI17F8058355@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:19:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:Elizabethan doublet issues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:27:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BE87B0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you everyone for the suggestions, Diane, the idea of a beaded section down each front side, sounds absolutely lovely, but (you knew there was a 'but' coming, didn't you?) the four doublets (black-with pearls, white-with all over embroidery, goldish wool, and green/black herringbone, are all heavily padstitched, and well, cutting and sewing through that, has already proven too much for my poor little sewing machine. But that is something to bear in mind for next time. And next time, I'll bribe someone to help me with the fittings. I think the idea of putting a strip down the button side will do the job, and I have the scraps from construction so matching won't be a problem (always hang on to the cabbage for repairs, I at least got that right) So again, thanks to everyone, I love this list. Robert of Stonemarche _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 15:39:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJdC76018559 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:39:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JJd6S6014337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:39:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJcNE3057480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:38:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JJcITx049623; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6JJc8rT049402 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 67495 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 19:38:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QlJr3/yIR2L2996OmQR5gs2VmasusejEQ70AQ7XP62rwN4sWauY2X3uJ0L0f0l6Hj7Nx7hnqSa9epR7SSaztj3n7eXTxQzMmhaNR4tRxaSm2FYzL6hPsJF0sDDNFe3g2zDE6CMryfiVCLjqjY0HzPmdSnEiKprRchX6t1s/tcd8= ; Message-ID: <20060719193803.67493.qmail@web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.250.65.86] by web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:38:02 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] help with dress from The Edwardian Modiste X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:39:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BE8A5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi everyone, For people who own a copy of the Edwardian Modiste I could use some help. I want to make the dress from page 236 and am having more trouble than I think I should. If anyone has made this dress could you e-mail me privately so I can ask some questions about the flounces. Thanks. Cassandra __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 16:16:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JKGVFp019411 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:16:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JKGND0029437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:16:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JKFdPu063260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JKFXpI085848; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JKFS4W085722 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x66so436344pye for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mnnOno6+cgR3oCR7SrCDqunTjH0oSfbCSNCE7XS6mPF28Hx7XyHDjArlTX1hOVqp/nW7ZsMsf7peAcoqqcZoUVrKaRxP2I6p0dDexEQ+bOV3PFo4dYBB89rrH5pXWtRR5kDRQGwz6x73IVfspkrREjmPmpGi5KoztKcWhxYeUMI= Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr1667692pyi; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:15:23 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Framing vintage fashion plates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:16:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44BE9317.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Y'all, Are there any other fashion plate collelctors out there? I have some wonderful handcolored vintage fashion plates and some ukiyo-e (japanese woodblock prints, also hand-colored). Does anyone in/near Silicon Valley know of a place that can mat & frame these in buffer papers w/ UV occlusive "glass"? The old place I patronized changed ownership & I"m not happy. I'm looking for a new frameshop. Yeah, there's a zillion around, but so few are any good. I'm hoping for a recommendation from someone who's framed their fashion plates, rare prints, old photos & drawings, too. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 18:35:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JMZcVK022847 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:35:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6JMZWXG028098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:35:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JMYmb3086032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JMYgbX009320; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JMYep5009282 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i32so140327wra for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=i3BzN+8VdGHTheA1ZS8WOvjU5vo7vyUptFH/+pKpAjpPF5psdb8RIf+4RS5CBl17p865T+gFwKs2+6/HIh4yai2h9oPiZhZcNJkvi7LM4SBFYra+tWj+6yTqUh7q1uN9QoVj/WvPaHYXFv5go3TtuRzh78sLu8682CYricAOBns= Received: by 10.65.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr1458805qbm; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q16sm543762qbq.2006.07.19.15.34.38; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01b301c6ab83$855c4500$0302a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c6a9fb$dabe5530$6400a8c0@MAIN> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:34:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Subject lines and headers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:35:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BEB3B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, I don't like to post "me too"s, but I agree with you. I'm subscribed to more than 50 lists. If I have to remember codes beyond the usual headers (for example, OT), I'll simply stop posting, and I'm guessing I'm not the only one in this case. Proper subject lines, however, are the way to go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: deleting posts and post headers > I would find all the prefixes far too cumbersome, and frankly I > don't think the majority on the list would use them; consequently it might > confuse the list further. We can't get people to change subject headers, > let > alone use prefixes. Can't tell you the number of times I've come in late > to > a discussion, only to find what is being discussed has nothing remotely to > do with the subject. > > This system works well for a disciplined group. I was on a writer's > group that used this system effectively. Here? Sorry, no. > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 21:19:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K1JKt3026631 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:19:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6K1JD69001309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:19:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K1IJVj010695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K1ID72026471; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:18:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6K1IAVP026391 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:18:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 88870 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2006 01:18:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=r6H+b+Tf+ND6b2fMxB9DXMUdD/DbmqDMiBvOJ77v4whBoGO87GOAueG1mES/DKgCXRW4tUt0r9yXoGyJCc1RKbz/DDOETfehJFS7wE41FjuXhJ2MIE2MsBo+XzhbB7x4SzSBq9C8rjyslddYvszkhqSg68sUkwHH/GPooV0bqcc= ; Message-ID: <20060720011803.88868.qmail@web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.217.151.4] by web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:18:03 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:18:03 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:19:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44BEDA11.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Would anybody know of a good source for a reasonably priced Straw Boater or Bowler Hat? My father recently joined a barbershop group and would like to have one (either or - doesn't matter). He is not dedicated enough to need one of the $100 ones that all seem to be imported from Italy, but he definately needs better than the $5 Halloween costume. Under $50 would be my preferance. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 22:17:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K2HlFG028475 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:17:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6K2HfDD002554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:17:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K2GoZ5017869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K2Gltk062149; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.215]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K2Giw3062044 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.86]) by bay0-omc3-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:16:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:16:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY107-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:16:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060720011803.88868.qmail@web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:14:33 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2006 02:16:38.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[886E75F0:01C6ABA2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:17:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BEE7C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dirty Billy hats! His prices were reasonable the last time I ordered from him, and from time to time he carries a variety of straws. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat > Would anybody know of a good source for a reasonably > priced Straw Boater or Bowler Hat? > > My father recently joined a barbershop group and would > like to have one (either or - doesn't matter). He is > not dedicated enough to need one of the $100 ones that > all seem to be imported from Italy, but he definately > needs better than the $5 Halloween costume. Under $50 > would be my preferance. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 23:23:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3N6lV030912 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6K3N0nR011635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3MFY3025194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3MB0f099172; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3M7MY099077 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.502.3c39136 (41810) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <502.3c39136.31f050d5@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:21:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BEF714.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO try Hatcrafters for the bowler Hatcrafters.com they have another site that is just straw hats. Lemme see if I have it still..... Alas I don't. But if you call them and ask about it, I'm sure they'll tell you. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 19 23:50:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3oY2T032208 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:50:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6K3oSqm032462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:50:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3lWWv027946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3lUCI012967; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K3lQYE012849 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.578.192a064 (14457) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:47:17 -0400 (EDT) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: <578.192a064.31f056c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:47:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] German or Dutch headdress web page X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:50:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BEFD84.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, Sorry to bother you with a vague, rambling and inarticulate question, but I'm going nuts. I know I've seen a web page on how to make a certain style of headdress which is basically a white linen tube with the front edges flipped back to frame the face -- kind of like the Dutch folk costume style, but earlier. I can't seem to find the web page, and I can't even remember what the date/location was for the headdress. (I need it for a fantasy application, so it doesn't matter to me.) Does this ring a bell for any of you guys? Thanks in advance! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 03:33:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K7X8OB003673 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:33:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6K7X2Nq011251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:33:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K7W3ob095049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:32:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K7Vvp1036881; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep03.xtra.co.nz (fep03.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6K7VnYo036780 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.187.155]) by fep03.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060720073143.CUNZ5275.fep03.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:31:43 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.2/393]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:31:50 +1200 Message-ID: <002101c6abce$909e1650$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <578.192a064.31f056c4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] German or Dutch headdress web page Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:31:49 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 03:33:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44BF31AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Sorry to bother you with a vague, rambling and inarticulate question, but > I'm going nuts. I know I've seen a web page on how to make a certain style of > headdress which is basically a white linen tube with the front edges flipped > back to frame the face -- kind of like the Dutch folk costume style, but > earlier. I can't seem to find the web page, and I can't even remember what the > date/location was for the headdress. (I need it for a fantasy application, so it > doesn't matter to me.) Does this ring a bell for any of you guys? http://theflemishgirl.livejournal.com/ Yu could try asking here, go back one page you'll find a few pictures of a flemish headdress. I've made two headdresses of Cleves/Cologne: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2cleveshat.htm and a linen version: http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/3cleves.htm As mentioned I wasn't too happy with my final result, but that was as much to do with feeling like the Flying Nun as not being satisfied with shape and materials. No idea if any of these are what you are after. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Status: RO I went in to the one on Laurel Ave. in San Carlos last week. Haven't had anything done, but the guy seemed to know his stuff. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:15 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] Framing vintage fashion plates Y'all, Are there any other fashion plate collelctors out there? I have some wonderful handcolored vintage fashion plates and some ukiyo-e (japanese woodblock prints, also hand-colored). Does anyone in/near Silicon Valley know of a place that can mat & frame these in buffer papers w/ UV occlusive "glass"? The old place I patronized changed ownership & I"m not happy. I'm looking for a new frameshop. Yeah, there's a zillion around, but so few are any good. 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Status: RO I have found good deals on both kinds of hats on eBay. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:18 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat Would anybody know of a good source for a reasonably priced Straw Boater or Bowler Hat? My father recently joined a barbershop group and would like to have one (either or - doesn't matter). He is not dedicated enough to need one of the $100 ones that all seem to be imported from Italy, but he definately needs better than the $5 Halloween costume. Under $50 would be my preferance. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 07:51:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KBpggZ023196 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:51:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6KBpb9f029761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:51:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KBm5ZX035956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KBm1PI069466; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:48:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KBlukh069372 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-119-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.119.131]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 20 Jul 2006 12:47:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAF8Jv0SBT4hmLA Received: from 88-107-119-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.119.131]:2086 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G3X0P-000Grv-Aa for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:47:49 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060720124423.02437428@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:47:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96401000DD4@wcosmb05.cos.agil ent.com> References: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96401000DD4@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] O.T. ish. Court proceedings at the Old Bailey site X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 07:51:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44BF6E49.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I accidentally came across this site when looking for something totally different. You can read court proceedings from the Old Bailey in London, dating back at least as far as the 18th century. 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Status: RO Thanks, Michaela, that first link looks like it might be the right seamstress, if not the right web page. And, by the way, the link from your linen Cleves page to the documentation page seems to be broken. Thanks! Tea Rose Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:31:49 +1200 From: "michaela" Subject: Re: [h-cost] German or Dutch headdress web page http://theflemishgirl.livejournal.com/ http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/2cleveshat.htm http://costumes.glittersweet.com/sca/k/3cleves.htm No idea if any of these are what you are after. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 15:05:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KJ5j2T006515 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:05:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6KJ5dpP013379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:05:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KJ3pLE099459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:03:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KJ3kwn041782; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KJ3ZJa041596 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so132622nfc for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DD4O5VrBLw8FR15WiA1Fa9Q6Rk31VWUVNEpkyFbYkwgB2g2WEmZPPurOtimnlbAM+2SZCWTmgYO7yk45ivbi8sBHZ7R26oDuBU8x32Gh1cASTKQQL/YYk+LDybwgAUPggTbKmTE94B3+ZvajaJwBT26xVdAHARQyQR28MEKwBrg= Received: by 10.48.242.9 with SMTP id p9mr901193nfh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.5 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0607201203q55ad389cw1f79ec39c01813b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:03:31 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6KJ3ZJa041596 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book inventory software question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:05:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44BFD403.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In February there was a discussion about using software about getting information about published books into an inventory from websites. One, mentioned by Kimiko, was Book Collector, where you enter the ISBN number and the software does the research using amazon.com for example. There was another program mentioned where you type in the book title, but I didn't keep the information for some reason. Can anyone tell me what that program is called? Are these two programs, and any others that people have tried for both Mac and PC? I've been trying to write down the information on my inventory of costume and sewing books, but it's taking forever – three nights of work and I only have about 75 of the books listed. And then I'll have to transfer from hand-written forms to software. TIA LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 18:50:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KMonhV011112 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:50:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6KMoi0c010254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:50:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KMo1bA028606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:50:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KMnodB044005; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6KMniL6043881 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 85011 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 22:49:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Angela) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 22:49:38 -0000 Message-ID: <052b01c6ac4e$c81ce040$080010ac@Angela> From: "H_Costume" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060720011803.88868.qmail@web81409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:49:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:50:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C008C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I found some beauties on Ebay for under $35. All manner of styles, including several from the teens. angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "REBECCA BURCH" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Straw Boater or Bowler Hat > Would anybody know of a good source for a reasonably > priced Straw Boater or Bowler Hat? > > My father recently joined a barbershop group and would > like to have one (either or - doesn't matter). He is > not dedicated enough to need one of the $100 ones that > all seem to be imported from Italy, but he definately > needs better than the $5 Halloween costume. Under $50 > would be my preferance. > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 19:33:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KNX9TK012088 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:33:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6KNX35O024490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:33:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KNWFTi033371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6KNWE6K072276; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6KNW93Z072207 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62742 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jul 2006 23:32:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=R+be/+e1lyhLY+a3QaVq9FCmLBuG/ged4LZqtXXDc1MjKQu58BccjEt3f6RX8OIkXC7khpoGgBjHijLL3SV3Fwv3INwsnyx/v5Ukdj1qJuK476IU193HZj/OOYSdKn8eObEdE7UKbR233ydhtEjWgwfBXtHqOKTPZjVE8H7twt4= ; Message-ID: <20060720233204.62736.qmail@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:32:04 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book inventory software question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0607201203q55ad389cw1f79ec39c01813b5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:33:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C012AF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi LynnD. I like Book Collector, and someday when I get close to the number of books for the paid version I will pay for it. That is getting close. And it does do Macs. This is from their web site. "This organizer software runs on Windows 98, ME, 2000 and XP and Apple Mac OS X 10.3 and higher." Unfortunately for those running Linux, they have no plans to have a compatible program. There are other programs, and one is actually an online library system. I don't remember the name of it, or where it is located, and can't seem to google it for some reason. Must not be using the right terms. Kimiko Lynn Downward wrote: In February there was a discussion about using software about getting information about published books into an inventory from websites. One, mentioned by Kimiko, was Book Collector, where you enter the ISBN number and the software does the research using amazon.com for example. There was another program mentioned where you type in the book title, but I didn't keep the information for some reason. Can anyone tell me what that program is called? Are these two programs, and any others that people have tried for both Mac and PC? I've been trying to write down the information on my inventory of costume and sewing books, but it's taking forever – three nights of work and I only have about 75 of the books listed. And then I'll have to transfer from hand-written forms to software. TIA LynnD --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 20:17:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0HImh013313 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:17:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6L0HDUZ004519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0Gjk5039693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0Gc3M000378; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0GaP4000359 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a4so670283nfc for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:16:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ciml7Y8Wdy3/+Cnv2Ux6ggu1gmgDRLVUmeDPHJS3VHvB7t/WDMsdMqeLUlRI0eIUiDvnZ9JKBbJx/rqAzNg8HdVKLDazRBiCfZhxN0WRghVTXwQ4oolkqjKry5vQ2IqO7KYWFWM3X1m2CwFXAPhQSlwXLMWrQQLJLPK2DQrAjuE= Received: by 10.48.242.9 with SMTP id p9mr22058nfh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.5 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0607201716i1bbde82pd4c31a5d990aabeb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:16:35 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book inventory software question In-Reply-To: <20060720233204.62736.qmail@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8296995c0607201203q55ad389cw1f79ec39c01813b5@mail.gmail.com> <20060720233204.62736.qmail@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:17:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C01D09.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I"m sharing this information with the group in the hopes that it will interest or help someone else who is in the same point that I am - I've bought two of the same Dover books twice because I didn't remember I already had it. I'm also hoping someone has used some of the software out there and can give me some feedback. If no one else is interested, I'll take the conversation private. Thanks for the input, Kimiko. I looked up Book Collector on your second recommendation; they didn't show up on my first Google of the topic. They look pretty good, but I've already got 75 books written up; with Book Collector's free 100 demo, but I may try it anyway. I checked into Readerware and that looks pretty interesting. They have a bundle of 3 products, one for books, one for CDs and one for DVDs/VHS/Laser disks, all for $75. I think it would pay for itself fairly quickly. Collectorz.com Book Collector also has a 100 book demo and has software for music and movies too. I didn't realize how much there is out there. If anyone has used any of these products, please let me know. Thanks, LynnD On 7/20/06, Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi LynnD. > > I like Book Collector, and someday when I get close to the number of books for the paid version I will pay for it. That is getting close. > > And it does do Macs. This is from their web site. > "This organizer software runs on Windows 98, ME, 2000 and XP and Apple Mac OS X 10.3 and higher." > > Unfortunately for those running Linux, they have no plans to have a compatible program. > > There are other programs, and one is actually an online library system. I don't remember the name of it, or where it is located, and can't seem to google it for some reason. Must not be using the right terms. > > Kimiko _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 20 20:51:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0pYlb014130 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:51:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6L0pSjw000460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:51:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0osnO044116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0orBU020948; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L0onYY020789 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from VMAAHQ ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060721005042.CVWO16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@VMAAHQ> for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:50:42 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Book inventory software question Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: <011401c6ac5f$a852b120$6501a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <8296995c0607201716i1bbde82pd4c31a5d990aabeb@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:51:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C02510.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hello~! I use LibraryThing, and am quite pleased with it. So far it's been smooth and glitch-free. It's easy to enter titles, and if you have obscure ones that won't cross-reference then it's easy to manually add them. You can sort by "tags", which will help to locate by whatever subject you might need at the time. www.librarything.com I paid for the lifetime unlimited account, and glad I did. The time saved is worth the money, especially if it helps prevent buying duplicate books. ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Lynn Downward I"m sharing this information with the group in the hopes that it will interest or help someone else who is in the same point that I am - I've bought two of the same Dover books twice because I didn't remember I already had it. I'm also hoping someone has used some of the software out there and can give me some feedback. If no one else is interested, I'll take the conversation private. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 00:11:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4B5UI020044 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:11:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6L4AxdC007442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:11:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4AYfF066601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4AROn026417; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:10:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4AN8c026387 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:10:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A259C0D0350; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:04:41 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:10:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Charging for sewing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:11:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C053D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dear Listees, I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. Problem is, I've only worked in community theatre before and that doesn't pay anything (about $300 per show). For those of you that do sewing as a business, how much do you charge for sewing? Do you charge by the job or the hour? Any help in this would be greatly appreciated. Sharon C. Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 00:17:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4Hetm020242 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:17:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6L4HZBN012096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4H63M067215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4H5tN029484; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:xqWwoRsAnrZWU8ULxo67+YX6leZ6t4sx@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6L4H236029459 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.71] (206-124-5-71.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.71]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6L4BgK25569 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:11:42 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:17:07 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C0555F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I charge by the hour. The problem is doing a proper estimate beforehand. I almost always underestimate. Sylrog On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Dear Listees, > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. > Problem is, > I've only worked in community theatre before and that doesn't pay > anything > (about $300 per show). For those of you that do sewing as a business, > how > much do you charge for sewing? Do you charge by the job or the hour? > Any > help in this would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon C. > > > Young lovers seek perfection, > Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together > And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches > > > > - "How To Make An American Quilt" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 07:58:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LBwaVF005522 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LBwUBi019567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LBvqqH013525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LBvl2M060719; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LBvEEw060500 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k6LBvEVm085740 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801c6acbc$ce6718d0$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:57:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:58:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C0C166.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k6LBwaVF005522 Status: RO I charge by the job, but my husband says I always undercharge. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: Sylvia Rognstad To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing I charge by the hour. The problem is doing a proper estimate beforehand. I almost always underestimate. Sylrog On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > Dear Listees, > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. > Problem is, > I've only worked in community theatre before and that doesn't pay > anything > (about $300 per show). For those of you that do sewing as a business, > how > much do you charge for sewing? Do you charge by the job or the hour? > Any > help in this would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon C. > > > Young lovers seek perfection, > Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together > And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches > > > > - "How To Make An American Quilt" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 08:15:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LCFe21006083 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:15:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LCFYbR024437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:15:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LCFGnA015508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LCFF38070937; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LCFBxH070851 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2006 13:15:02 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAOlhwESBT4hl Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:1843 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G3tuI-000KiW-HT for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:15:02 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060721131047.02441988@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:15:12 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing In-Reply-To: <002801c6acbc$ce6718d0$220310ac@wks013lnng> References: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <002801c6acbc$ce6718d0$220310ac@wks013lnng> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:15:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C0C566.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:57 21/07/2006, you wrote: >I charge by the job, but my husband says I always undercharge. > >Natalie > > I charge by the hour. The problem is doing a proper estimate > beforehand. I almost always underestimate. > > Sylrog > > On Jul 20, 2006, at 10:10 PM, Sharon at Collierfam.com wrote: > > > Dear Listees, > > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. > > . For those of you that do sewing as a business, > > how > > much do you charge for sewing? Do you charge by the job or the hour? It depends on the job - a Regency wedding dress (or any wedding clothes) costs more than an re-enactor Regency dress, as there will be no opportunity to change it if the customer wears it and finds something not quite comfortable. If I charged by the hour, no-one could afford to buy from me, so I tend to charge by the job. For a first time, like the quilted petticoat I made recently, I set a price, and discovered I took longer than estimated, so I know that if I ever make another, I need to charge more. BTW prices here are way higher than similar work in the U.S. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 12:30:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LGUjGN016300 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:30:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LGUd2n029784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:30:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LGRZCW056968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LGRIZV065480; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LGRCtd065350 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:27:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x29so159873nfb for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dCxdsvXeNAZoGYHA1XEfjgiU02Y20wYi9dRbhRTOz14auBuZ/DqQlOSrNYMd066GIFlipO/+0cFQLQaqrsn9NkBCmHExt0WjIn5tuI41RlBfMdFGhQbhLfMLV49tVVj2OXV7eqr9tuF/Tni3QdElG7DVn9YDatVfwxVUNdtLa8o= Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr782133nfp; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.5 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0607210927u4ed2aec5qa02be9e128879794@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:27:11 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book inventory software question In-Reply-To: <011401c6ac5f$a852b120$6501a8c0@VMAAHQ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8296995c0607201716i1bbde82pd4c31a5d990aabeb@mail.gmail.com> <011401c6ac5f$a852b120$6501a8c0@VMAAHQ> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:30:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C1012F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Linda, thank you for the suggestion. LibraryThing didn't show up on my google search either, although I only really checked out the first page of links. With the very short peek I took of the home page, it looks really interesting. Next week, when my daughter the computer hog is away, I hope to spend an evening or two really looking into several of the companies suggested here. Thank you all for your suggestions. LynnD On 7/20/06, Linda Rice wrote: > Hello~! > > I use LibraryThing, and am quite pleased with it. So far it's been smooth and glitch-free. It's > easy to enter titles, and if you have obscure ones that won't cross-reference then it's easy to > manually add them. You can sort by "tags", which will help to locate by whatever subject you might > need at the time. > www.librarything.com > > I paid for the lifetime unlimited account, and glad I did. The time saved is worth the money, > especially if it helps prevent buying duplicate books. > > ::Linda:: > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 13:40:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LHe8b4018799 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:40:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LHe0r6016258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LHdMXt068660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LHd4P8035464; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LFnkAL031140 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so208682pye for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qU4qZlO50Qqh751mAmiaaesdZJt0lGzGNVrbjW8V5tFRFTjs7pLMYN+MLJeTWI6HfgW7YfUGPL9GL+vgsXTsd+pLgNUi9A19BmZ6jh5EBZUXlC9pxw81ywl/nkxcqV2BYrCdWz4UhJLSPXalu+MW/6v+L0SBbs/Tej0/6Zv5oeo= Received: by 10.35.38.17 with SMTP id q17mr1577120pyj; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:49:46 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] German or Dutch headdress MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:40:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C11170.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I know I've seen a web page on how to make a certain style of >headdress which is basically a white linen tube with the front edges flipped >back to frame the face -- kind of like the Dutch folk costume style, but >earlier. I can't seem to find the web page, and I can't even remember what the >date/location was for the headdress. (I need it for a fantasy application, so it >doesn't matter to me.) Tea Rose, I'm sure alot of people will point you to 15th 16th c candlelight masters, but since you were thinking of something more fantasy or modern in style. Here's an idea. Sounds like the "Dutch cap" that Irene Castle used to wear. With her husband Vernon Castle, she was an early 20th c ragtime era dance teacher, performer, & actress until WWI started. Here's the classic photo of her with husband Vernon on the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernon_and_Irene_Castle Here's Ginger Rodgers costumed as Irene Castle http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/37/verncastle.htm In a glittery version: http://www.eastman.org/ar/strip88/htmlsrc/m197701880402_ful.html and her, by now signature hat, in a even sillier version: http://www.tjhsst.edu/~emcconne/quarter%203/music.html --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 14:26:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LIQjVd020052 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:26:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LIQdio023117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:26:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LIO4iZ075620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LINwlO076348; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6LINs3d076202 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 74749 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 18:23:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Angela) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 18:23:48 -0000 Message-ID: <019d01c6acf2$cf89de60$080010ac@Angela> From: "H_Costume" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:23:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C11C5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I charge by the hour- $12.50 for straight sewing, $25 for hand work, and pattern drafting. Then I go through and make a pretty accurate estimate of hours and come up with "what it's worth". Usually I then negotiate a fee I'm willing to take for the straight stuff. I don't negotiate on hand work (beading, etc). If folks want that, then they have to pay for it. I too come from community & regional theater, where costumers are not paid nearly enough (stipends range from $1200-2000, but I'm in California). The problem as I see it is the genesis of the craft. The public still thinks of it as "womans' work." I constantly run into people who upon hearing that I sew, say something like "Oh, can you make me a dress?" rapidly followed up with how much cheaper it must be to get something made by "a friend." Anyone else notice how quickly acquantanceship turns to friendship when folks want a discount :) I quickly dissilusion them, letting them know hand made clothes are more akin to couture than discount ready to wear. It's a process, but I think politely pointing out the craftsmanship and the one-of-a-kind aspect quickly justifies the pricing in people's minds. Most decide they cant' afford it, but I'm cool with that too. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Charging for sewing > Dear Listees, > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. Problem > is, > I've only worked in community theatre before and that doesn't pay anything > (about $300 per show). For those of you that do sewing as a business, how > much do you charge for sewing? Do you charge by the job or the hour? Any > help in this would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon C. > > > Young lovers seek perfection, > Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together > And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches > > > > - "How To Make An American Quilt" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 14:32:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LIW2BF020177 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:32:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LIVuPj025188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LISuN3076444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LISsBa080666; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6LISiQa080451 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 28421 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 18:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Angela) (cabbagerose@sbcglobal.net@63.202.198.62 with login) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 18:28:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01af01c6acf3$7c2d93f0$080010ac@Angela> From: "H_Costume" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8296995c0607201203q55ad389cw1f79ec39c01813b5@mail.gmail.com><20060720233204.62736.qmail@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8296995c0607201716i1bbde82pd4c31a5d990aabeb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book inventory software question Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:28:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:31:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C11D9C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a program on my palm pilot for this. I have the 02 version of Bookshelf, which I purchased on Handango for about $15. It will hold limitless books, and has a pretty thorough little data base, including title, author, ISBN no, edition, publisher, etc. It does sorts by author as well as title. afl +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book inventory software question > I"m sharing this information with the group in the hopes that it will > interest or help someone else who is in the same point that I am - > I've bought two of the same Dover books twice because I didn't > remember I already had it. I'm also hoping someone has used some of > the software out there and can give me some feedback. If no one else > is interested, I'll take the conversation private. > > Thanks for the input, Kimiko. I looked up Book Collector on your > second recommendation; they didn't show up on my first Google of the > topic. They look pretty good, but I've already got 75 books written > up; with Book Collector's free 100 demo, but I may try it anyway. I > checked into Readerware and that looks pretty interesting. They have a > bundle of 3 products, one for books, one for CDs and one for > DVDs/VHS/Laser disks, all for $75. I think it would pay for itself > fairly quickly. Collectorz.com Book Collector also has a 100 book demo > and has software for music and movies too. I didn't realize how much > there is out there. > > If anyone has used any of these products, please let me know. > > Thanks, > LynnD > > > On 7/20/06, Kimiko Small wrote: >> Hi LynnD. >> >> I like Book Collector, and someday when I get close to the number of >> books for the paid version I will pay for it. That is getting close. >> >> And it does do Macs. This is from their web site. >> "This organizer software runs on Windows 98, ME, 2000 and XP and Apple >> Mac OS X 10.3 and higher." >> >> Unfortunately for those running Linux, they have no plans to have a >> compatible program. >> >> There are other programs, and one is actually an online library system. >> I don't remember the name of it, or where it is located, and can't seem >> to google it for some reason. Must not be using the right terms. >> >> Kimiko > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 14:39:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LIdvCD020407 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:39:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LIdp9U028651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LIcXNo077878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LIcVbd089110; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6LIcSp0088967 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonwolfcat@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3821 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2006 18:38:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nOvE5v4V3hB8tJoLHmabeW4drHEzvSneJOB+P95eYIaoMKSb8uDuOO2muuKe5bo0LVcWKTIHuM2Tl14jfuKzbud6A8suLYPrAlQOlfhYvxMRuZdyNZZVrmt8F+cRUTYflmj0lvSumrnltQKVrSK67SRLrKCP4JWRGuPm8qRbQK8= ; Message-ID: <20060721183822.3819.qmail@web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.212.16.236] by web37307.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:38:22 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Angharad ver' Reynulf" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book inventory software question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0607201203q55ad389cw1f79ec39c01813b5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:39:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C11F77.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Lynn, I have to agree on the vote for LibraryThing.com. I'd been hearing about it from several friends and after the expensive re-purchasing of 2 research books the weekend before the H-Cost discussion, went in and took the plunge to actually do something with my books. I paid for a lifetime membership, and am almost 3/4 of the way done inputting my books, and working on adding the tags to cross-reference them. You can use the ISBN number, the title or the author's name to input the items, which can save a lot of time. You can also look at other people's opinions on the books by searching under the tags you might use to identify the book, looking for reviews, or checking out profiles of people who have similar books in common. I can also add notes on the book itself, say if it is one of my sf/f books-if it is signed by the author/artist. Eventually, say after this summer season is over, I hope to look up some of the books on my ILL list to see who I know might own one, to ask for a review before using up that slot or paying the money. That way I can do the research on the other regional areas I need for my Journeyman Guild projects. (OBC) Angharat (wolfcat) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 16:14:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKE5Fs023393 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:14:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LKE0If028273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:14:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKDTmZ095333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKBsib074446; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:12:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKBfsB073947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6LKBTxF075456 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:11:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <64335.65.117.156.5.1153512689.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <019d01c6acf2$cf89de60$080010ac@Angela> References: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <019d01c6acf2$cf89de60$080010ac@Angela> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:14:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C13588.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am not a professional seamstress by any means. My forte is gloves. But upon occasion a theater buddy will tap me to alter very special pieces and for those I do charge hourly. I do not announce that my rate is hourly. I use it to calculate the set fee. Now mind you, for web work and development of applications I charge 75/hr. There is no way in heck I would charge that for what I do. I do not do beading or embroidery. THAT stuff is worth the higher rates. My stuff is more along the lines of 12/hr. Gloves ... I do not take commissions for those for pay or from anyone I do not know. But if I did, I could not sell a pair for less than 200/pr. The last one was a wedding gown from the 30's. It was OMG gorgeous. The silk was heavy and thick, and the only reason why I said yes. Had it been a very fine silk I would have said no cause it would not have held up. The first thing I had to do was sit with the dress to figure it all out so I told her that there was an initial consultation charge of 50.00 to spend a day with the dress to assess if I can even work with it. This involved talking to her, seeing her in it as is, seeing what she wanted it to look like afterwards, then testing the seams. Yes, testing the seams. I needed to see if the dress had been altered before and if so what thread they used. It had been altered before and they used cotton instead of silk thread. The seams popped immediatly. Thankfully the cotton thread was of a darker color than the silk thread so it was easy to find. I do not announce what the hourly rate is. I use it as a calculation of the cost and give a set price based on it. Now when I was done she decided to give me an extra 100 on top of the total fee cause she said that other person she went to previously wanted 3 times what I charged her and I did it in half the time. I know why that person did that, they were anticipating that all the seams were going to have to be redone thus taking the entire dress apart. So yeah, had I had to do that, my price would have been the same as the other seamstress. But I did not want to tell her that. It was a one time gig. A wedding dress for her wedding. :) > ----- Original Message ----- > > Dear Listees, > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. > Problem is,I've only worked in community theatre before and that > doesn't pay anything (about $300 per show). For those of you that > sewing as a do business, how much do you charge for sewing? > Do you charge by the job or the hour? Any help in this > would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon C. > > Chiara Francesca Ansteorra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 16:38:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKc0XM023754 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:38:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LKbtHw013341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:37:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKb3tP099232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKawBJ097336; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:36:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LKatdG097297 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so329579nfc for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ABl+S9akjyJ+pSaagc02dbV41I4H94mtC5FWtVgBvCEkpxyhjOpbMX9cdQgEt1oxaZ4CyhiywavO/2vQI3XjgqD2zE7QsSzptS6CScE97Tkkw9Tfj4dxgUGh/cWgPuKUuWdA/N6SPVtHEupPSXon5M4opAFRGr63KPytkL5eq3g= Received: by 10.82.109.9 with SMTP id h9mr19320buc; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.101.7 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070607211336qd7a973dvc26f368ecc2a6996@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:36:54 -0400 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing In-Reply-To: <64335.65.117.156.5.1153512689.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c6ac7b$9bf81700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <019d01c6acf2$cf89de60$080010ac@Angela> <64335.65.117.156.5.1153512689.squirrel@webmail.io.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C13B23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am doing so much less custom work than I used to, the kids take up too many of my brain cells. My sewing is very part time at the moment. I usually charge an initial $25 consultation fee to sit down and talk with the client about the project (either in person or by email). This can be applied to the final project fee and is not refundable. When I first started doing weddings I had so many people either make appointments and just not show up or meet with me once and never return, the fee helps weed out the casual inquiries. I then try and figure out a general project fee based on past experience. My husband keeps telling me I charge way too little. I do find I make better income off of undergarments than gowns, but gowns are so much more fun. Basic balldresses start at $350 for labor only, fancy trimming or beadwork is added by the hour at $25-50. I state that if the estimate is off by more than a certain percentage I will get their approval before proceeding. There is also the "I really don't want to do this" factor, for projects I am not enthused about I might quote a huge price and hope they'll just go away. Repair work or restoration/conservation is done by the hour. I try and avoid alterations like the plague. My mother had a booming alteration business in South Carolina and she charged by the hour for wedding dress alterations especially, but had a chart she had made up of what various alterations typically cost that she had worked out from past experience. Katy On 7/21/06, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: > I am not a professional seamstress by any means. My forte is gloves. > > But upon occasion a theater buddy will tap me to alter very special > pieces and for those I do charge hourly. I do not announce that my > rate is hourly. I use it to calculate the set fee. > > Now mind you, for web work and development of applications I charge > 75/hr. There is no way in heck I would charge that for what I do. I > do not do beading or embroidery. THAT stuff is worth the higher > rates. My stuff is more along the lines of 12/hr. > > Gloves ... I do not take commissions for those for pay or from > anyone I do not know. But if I did, I could not sell a pair for less > than 200/pr. > > The last one was a wedding gown from the 30's. It was OMG gorgeous. > The silk was heavy and thick, and the only reason why I said yes. > Had it been a very fine silk I would have said no cause it would not > have held up. > > The first thing I had to do was sit with the dress to figure it all > out so I told her that there was an initial consultation charge of > 50.00 to spend a day with the dress to assess if I can even work > with it. This involved talking to her, seeing her in it as is, > seeing what she wanted it to look like afterwards, then testing the > seams. Yes, testing the seams. I needed to see if the dress had been > altered before and if so what thread they used. > > It had been altered before and they used cotton instead of silk > thread. The seams popped immediatly. Thankfully the cotton thread > was of a darker color than the silk thread so it was easy to find. > > I do not announce what the hourly rate is. I use it as a calculation > of the cost and give a set price based on it. > > Now when I was done she decided to give me an extra 100 on top of > the total fee cause she said that other person she went to > previously wanted 3 times what I charged her and I did it in half > the time. > > I know why that person did that, they were anticipating that all the > seams were going to have to be redone thus taking the entire dress > apart. So yeah, had I had to do that, my price would have been the > same as the other seamstress. But I did not want to tell her that. > It was a one time gig. A wedding dress for her wedding. :) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Dear Listees, > > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. > > Problem is,I've only worked in community theatre before and that > > doesn't pay anything (about $300 per show). For those of you that > > sewing as a do business, how much do you charge for sewing? > > Do you charge by the job or the hour? Any help in this > > would be greatly appreciated. > > Sharon C. > > > > > > Chiara Francesca > Ansteorra > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian vintage@shore.net www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 17:15:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLFbdU024406 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LLFWLn004133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLEfVT006180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLEGTi031104; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:14:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLE2Fw030814 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A2436612029C; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:08:19 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Charging for sewing Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:14:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c6ad0a$9d0470f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <019d01c6acf2$cf89de60$080010ac@Angela> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6LLE2Fw030814 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C143F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I'm in CA, too, But my group's budget usually ran approx. $2500 per show, so it was essentially gas money. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of H_Costume Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 11:24 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing I charge by the hour- $12.50 for straight sewing, $25 for hand work, and pattern drafting. Then I go through and make a pretty accurate estimate of hours and come up with "what it's worth". Usually I then negotiate a fee I'm willing to take for the straight stuff. I don't negotiate on hand work (beading, etc). If folks want that, then they have to pay for it. I too come from community & regional theater, where costumers are not paid nearly enough (stipends range from $1200-2000, but I'm in California). The problem as I see it is the genesis of the craft. The public still thinks of it as "womans' work." I constantly run into people who upon hearing that I sew, say something like "Oh, can you make me a dress?" rapidly followed up with how much cheaper it must be to get something made by "a friend." Anyone else notice how quickly acquantanceship turns to friendship when folks want a discount :) I quickly dissilusion them, letting them know hand made clothes are more akin to couture than discount ready to wear. It's a process, but I think politely pointing out the craftsmanship and the one-of-a-kind aspect quickly justifies the pricing in people's minds. Most decide they cant' afford it, but I'm cool with that too. angela +++++ Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes Theatrical Costume Design "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech..." All's Well That Ends Well 1.1.65-6, Countess to Bertram W. Shakespeare http://www.cabbagerosecostumes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Charging for sewing > Dear Listees, > I have been asked by some folks to make some costumes for them. > Problem > is, > I've only worked in community theatre before and that doesn't pay anything > (about $300 per show). For those of you that do sewing as a business, how > much do you charge for sewing? Do you charge by the job or the hour? Any > help in this would be greatly appreciated. > Sharon C. > > > Young lovers seek perfection, > Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together > And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches > > > > - "How To Make An American Quilt" > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 21 17:22:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLM4iB024502 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:22:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6LLLwU9013359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:22:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLK6nS006937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLJr0L036865; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:19:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6LLJVKq036550 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A38DF190394; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:13:49 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:19:42 -0700 Message-ID: <002201c6ad0b$61e1eec0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] pricing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:22:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C14576.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thank you to all who have responded. This gives me an idea of how to figure pricing. Sharon Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 09:58:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MDwgvN008275 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:58:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MDwa6P005463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MDvrZF010890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MDvX0w030004; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.213]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MDvUYu029913 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.20]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:57:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:57:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:57:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.186.159] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607211800.k6LI06qw054890@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:57:19 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2006 13:57:24.0335 (UTC) FILETIME=[C24FD7F0:01C6AD96] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Charging for sewing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C22F0C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I charge by the job. If I acquire the materials myself, I can usually get a better discount than the person who wants the costume. Since for a long time I always underestimated the amount of time involved, I finally decided to go with a percentage system. I add 33% to material cost for a normal job. If they want something in less than a month I add another 15% expedite fee. But your customer must consider the complexity of the costume you are making. For instance, I once sewed 1240 pearls on a man's doublet. For wedding dresses, a lot of designers add 65-75% to their costs just because the more complex dresses take a lot of detailed hand work. One of the wedding dresses I made had to have German lace hand sewn to the edge of a cathedral length train and aprox 300 pearls sewn on the bodice. So I can certainly see the point. Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 10:36:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MEaNMw009477 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:36:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MEaH37000928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:36:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MEZgrW015667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MEZeTM055714; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:qYT8leRLmhesxlEUsOeh7skwYF4B4iB7@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MEZYsn055617 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.6] (206-124-5-6.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.6]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6MEUCK29383 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:30:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <505350c69e3d2942b79179aed6308a71@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Charging for sewing Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:35:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:36:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C237E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think that everyone charges for the job, but it is determined by the cost of the labor, so you have to figure out first how much you want to make per hour and then try to come up with a good estimate of the time. If 33% sounds like you are getting a good return for your labor, that's great. It doesn't sound like enough to me, since the labor is usually a lot more costly than the materials, but that depends obviously on your materials. I have a website where I make and sell gothic and belly dance costumes and clothing. I can buy the fabric in bulk at wholesale prices so I might pay $5-20 on materials but charge $50-100 for the garment. On the other hand, if I'm making custom clothing and/or costumes and have to buy expensive brocades, velvets, etc., then I may have to spend $50-100 on materials, although it would seem that the labor for such a garment would also be time consuming. I try to make $20 per hour across the board, but after doing this for awhile, I still tend to underestimate. My problem if that for most of my career, I have been making theatrical costumes in professional costume shops, so I never had to keep track of how long it took to make something, plus one is always working on a bunch of things at the same time. It's only recently that I have started to do sewing out of my home. Sylrog On Jul 22, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez wrote: > I charge by the job. If I acquire the materials myself, I can usually > get a better discount than the person who wants the costume. > Since for a long time I always underestimated the amount of time > involved, I finally decided to go with a percentage system. I add 33% > to material cost for a normal job. If they want something in less than > a month I add another 15% expedite fee. > But your customer must consider the complexity of the costume you are > making. For instance, I once sewed 1240 pearls on a man's doublet. > For wedding dresses, a lot of designers add 65-75% to their costs just > because the more complex dresses take a lot of detailed hand work. One > of the wedding dresses I made had to have German lace hand sewn to the > edge of a cathedral length train and aprox 300 pearls sewn on the > bodice. So I can certainly see the point. > > > > Catalina > nunca sin mi vino > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 10:53:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MErxqb009808 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:53:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MErsR6021044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:53:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MErQfr018020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MErPVm067992; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:53:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MEQxvh049407 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.32]) by bay0-omc2-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:26:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:26:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:26:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.186.159] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607181800.k6II0G1a061701@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:26:51 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2006 14:26:53.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0D25F50:01C6AD9A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flat Caps- was there a response in there? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:53:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C23C02.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I am still looking for a pattern for a flat cap that would end up looking like the one in the 1535 portrait of Dona Ana Mauriquez. http://www.artnet.com/Images/magazine/features/jeromack/jeromack10-31-2s.jpg Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 11:13:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MFDg9I010191 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:13:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MFDa0n009276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:13:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MFD6Nu020616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MFD2Sa081403; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from avas3.coqui.net (avas3.coqui.net [196.28.61.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MFCx2S081271 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hagiosfenum@prtc.net) Received: from adsl-72-50-28-253.prtc.net (HELO MAQUINA) ([72.50.28.253]) by avas3.coqui.net with ESMTP; 22 Jul 2006 11:12:52 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAOPcwUSHCIM7AQ X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,171,1151899200"; d="scan'208"; a="390919639:sNHT32896969" From: "HAGIOS FENUM" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:12:46 -0400 Message-ID: <006401c6ada1$49f969a0$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcardVE10RvVmEgERMmpqhuWM0cceACKvVrQ In-Reply-To: <20060719102317.17162.qmail@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:13:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C240A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Howdy, I am a historic reenactor and what I know about sewing is the same that anyone of you out there may know about Christopher Columbus contribution to the Social Security. But I have a BIGGGGG problem: I want to build, sew, make, whatever, my own military uniform for the 1797 Spanish colonial times. Is there any help or guides from were to start? Or should I go fishing or golf?? Please help me with this. I really want to properly reenact. Thank you all. JP -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Nucci [mailto:sarah_nucci@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:23 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats I'm trying to get the Period Costume for Stage and Screen but between living in a somewhat out of the way area and a full time job (and being out of my bugdet) it hasn't really happened. What I did manage to find is a picture of a petticoat for the last five years of the 19th century in Costume in Detail. The bodice is fantastic in detail for copying - not at all what I would have expected. The down side is that while I can now pattern it and it will fit under the dress I want to make - I can't decide how full the skirt should be. Any idea with yours????? Sarah __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 12:38:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MGcW3e013399 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:38:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MGcQ7e004696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MGbmOU028988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:37:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MGbjlc042817; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MGbf3n042697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G4KTv-0001WG-FV; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:37:35 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <20060722123735.75rouzqrwko0k884@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:37:35 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat Caps- was there a response in there? 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Status: RO Quoting Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez : > > I am still looking for a pattern for a flat cap that would end up > looking like the one in the 1535 portrait of Dona Ana Mauriquez. > > http://www.artnet.com/Images/magazine/features/jeromack/jeromack10-31-2s.jpg > > *cool* painting! I've never seen that one before. Anyway, best source for hat patterns that I know of is Lynn McMasters http://lynnmcmasters.com/patterns.html susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 14:03:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MI3r40016539 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:03:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MI3l6c006307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:03:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MI3B54039485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MI373u006492; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MI34ms006379 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:03:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3553CED8 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:02:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C26866.9050808@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:03:18 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <006401c6ada1$49f969a0$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> In-Reply-To: <006401c6ada1$49f969a0$0301a8c0@MAQUINA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sewing for re-enactment [was:bodiced petticoats] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:03:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C26883.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO HAGIOS FENUM wrote: > Howdy, > > I am a historic reenactor and what I know about sewing is the same that > anyone of you out there may know about Christopher Columbus contribution to > the Social Security. But I have a BIGGGGG problem: I want to build, sew, > make, whatever, my own military uniform for the 1797 Spanish colonial times. > Is there any help or guides from were to start? I would suggest you start with a sewing class and learn the basics of how to read a pattern, thread a sewing machine, and construct simple garments. Classes are often offered through sewing/fabric shops and community center or adult ed programs. Ask around. There are undoubtedly people in your re-enactment group who already make their own costumes. Find them, and ask for help in selecting books, patterns, and materials suitable for your project. If they don't already have 'stitch-n-bitch' meetings where you can all sit around sewing one evening a month, see about starting one. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C275F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi So just when did the Flat Cap cease to be worn? In England? The Americas? I'm looking for an end date range... Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 16:25:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MKP8fG020002 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:25:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MKP2QD018569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:25:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MKNTVK057165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MKNOEt097661; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:23:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MKNMTW097591 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:23:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C053CED9 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:23:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C28949.9010307@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:23:37 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Flat Cap--when did they fall out of fashion? 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Status: RO cahuff wrote: > Hi > So just when did the Flat Cap cease to be worn? In England? The > Americas? I'm looking for an end date range... > Ta Shortly after 1600. The last portraits I've seen it on were about 1620, and usually on lower-class people. 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/22/2006 12:38:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: I am still looking for a pattern for a flat cap that would end up > looking like the one in the 1535 portrait of Dona Ana Mauriquez. ************************** It's a donut [the brim] with a circle sewn to the inside "hole". To get the brim to stand up a bit on one side you can wire the outside, and the whole brim should be inner-lined with something stiff. Heavy buckram is the usual candidate for this nowadays. It can be steamed into shape. You can also get all manipulative and take out a small wedge of the circle of the brim at the place where you want it to turn up. You can get it just right by doing a mock up in cardboard, starting with the circle, splitting it where the turn up is to be and overlapping the cardboard at the spit til it looks as you desire. Now of course you don't have a circle any more and a seam must go there, but this can be covered up with trim or a feather and if the hat is velvet, it will practically disappear anyway. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 17:41:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MLf4NR023032 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:41:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MLex31005433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MLdObd066571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MLdMYw040960; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MLdJFH040906 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l234p.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.12.153] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1G4PBu-0002YW-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:39:18 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060722085002.02ac6870@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:54:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200607211800.k6LI06qv054890@net.indra.com> References: <200607211800.k6LI06qv054890@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6MLdJFH040906 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Book software X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:41:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C29B6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 01:00 PM 7/21/2006, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: We don't use a specific book software. We use Access. I know a lot of people aren't fond of it. But, by having a piece of software called Documents to Go on our PDA's we can export a list of books from the Access database to the PDA's including whatever fields we want and voila! An easily carried list of every book in our collection. We know what you mean by buying duplicates. We used to do that a lot. Before we had the PDA's we had to print out the book list and put it in a notebook. We have over 12,000 books in our collection (no, not all, or even most, costume books) that notebook was very heavy. We also use our PDA's to keep lists of CDs/Records and DVDs as well as a few other things. Pierre >In February there was a discussion about using software about getting >information about published books into an inventory from websites. >One, mentioned by Kimiko, was Book Collector, where you enter the ISBN >number and the software does the research using amazon.com for >example. There was another program mentioned where you type in the >book title, but I didn't keep the information for some reason. Can >anyone tell me what that program is called? Are these two programs, >and any others that people have tried for both Mac and PC? I've been >trying to write down the information on my inventory of costume and >sewing books, but it's taking forever ­ three nights of work and I >only have about 75 of the books listed. And then I'll have to transfer >from hand-written forms to software. > >TIA >LynnD "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 18:39:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MMdgRR025137 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:39:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6MMdaI9002103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:39:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MMcsK0072247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MMcpkZ071562; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6MMclLg071494 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.19]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:38:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:38:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:38:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.190.38] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607221800.k6MI06aD004232@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:38:40 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2006 22:38:41.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[953B46C0:01C6ADDF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1797 Spanish Military X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C2A928.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO start here; http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/18thlinks.htm#Military%20Dress http://www.war-art.com/ramilies.htm http://www.mtsu.edu/~kesmith/TNARCHNET/Pubs/milcloth.html http://www.artifacts.org/Artifacts.htm Catalina nunca sin mi vino _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 22 20:34:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N0YYI8027923 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:34:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6N0YSIh026990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N0XkpA084661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N0XeGO029025; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N0XaCW028952 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J2T00M35YVSPGJ1@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:33:26 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Flat Caps- was there a response in there? 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Status: RO You can try Janet Arnold's Patterns of Fashion 1550- 1620 (I am not sure of the dates). She has a flat cap from the grave of one of the Medicis. You could use that and embellish as needed. Men's and women's hats were pretty much the same for this style. Regards- Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 12:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat Caps- was there a response in there? Quoting Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez : > > I am still looking for a pattern for a flat cap that would end up > looking like the one in the 1535 portrait of Dona Ana Mauriquez. > > http://www.artnet.com/Images/magazine/features/jeromack/jeromack10-31-2s.jpg > > *cool* painting! I've never seen that one before. Anyway, best source for hat patterns that I know of is Lynn McMasters http://lynnmcmasters.com/patterns.html susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 00:04:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N44m7l001338 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:04:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6N44gAg023120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:04:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N3vric004426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N3vljL020598; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6N3vifq020567 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:57:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A25D135C0336; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:51:57 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Flat Caps- was there a response in there? 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Status: RO The basic flat cap pattern I use is 3 circles with centers removed (for the brim and underneath part, kind of like a doughnut shape) and one solid circle for the top. From what I could see of the picture , the cap you want seems to turn up on the brim.(?) If so, take wedges out of the 3 doughnuts so they don't lie flat, but make a 3-D shape, like a lampshade. Make sure you interface well, so it doesn't droop. Does this help? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flat Caps- was there a response in there? Quoting Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez : > > I am still looking for a pattern for a flat cap that would end up > looking like the one in the 1535 portrait of Dona Ana Mauriquez. > > http://www.artnet.com/Images/magazine/features/jeromack/jeromack10-31- > 2s.jpg > > *cool* painting! I've never seen that one before. Anyway, best source for hat patterns that I know of is Lynn McMasters http://lynnmcmasters.com/patterns.html susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 11:39:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NFdpNB027465 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:39:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NFdjm4020113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:39:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NFYDBO083147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NFY5fC063716; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NFY0nc063644 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:34:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail17.att.net ([204.127.135.43]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20060723153354112005e8gde>; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:33:54 +0000 Received: from [72.245.26.230] by mwebmail17.att.net; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:33:53 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:33:53 +0000 Message-Id: <072320061533.12968.44C396E1000421A6000032A821587667550A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 28 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Tipping Solution X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C39841.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a beginners' class making stays, and am nearly ready to cut lengths of steel boning. I find that my tipping solution ( for dipping the ends of the steel to prevent rust) has thickened to the point of unusability. Does anyone have suggestions for thinning the tipping solution? Thanks Jane in Northern Virginia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 12:29:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NGTN4d028601 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:29:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NGTHAR028684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:29:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NGSWEi091865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:28:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NGSVNq000767; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6NGSN9k000647 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:28:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 380 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2006 16:28:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NLANUdCe5tFpgZIZvRsCcSP+CDKbtyjlg795/iKCdEtOpnC7Qfu0tNafZvtn0EJxB2FCoLaFcKvqzKpI5KqBs5173G6qCnOlyVObA8ra8CFpIjHxtL5CfVUOo42yYcg5jZ+Rqo6KxdGT40n5URZbfrpiOOQPqb6RWT72gbTTBB0= ; Message-ID: <20060723162817.378.qmail@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.180.48.211] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:17 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:28:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] Chemise/shift/shirt To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002e01c6a89d$7262fea0$0301010a@michaela> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:29:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C3A3DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO "I mostly just made best use of any fabric on hand;) But I have patterned all mine up if there is any interest?" I'm very interested in Cranach's gowns and I've been wondering about the chemise as well. Is for ex. the front (belly) white part under the lacing a part of the chemise as well? The chemise is problably very simple, as Michaela said - can you give me some advice on the size, M.? (How long and wide etc.) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 13:25:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NHPbJi029842 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:25:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NHPVKb020221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:25:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NHNnW9098504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NHNjUB039295; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6NHNf91039200 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006072313233515971 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:23:35 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6NHNWXI015627 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01ee01c6ae7c$b9bd5a90$5ca810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <072320061533.12968.44C396E1000421A6000032A821587667550A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tipping Solution Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:23:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:25:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C3B10B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think I used lighter fluid to do that. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Pease" To: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: [h-cost] Tipping Solution >I have a beginners' class making stays, and am nearly ready to cut lengths >of steel boning. I find that my tipping solution ( for dipping the ends of >the steel to prevent rust) has thickened to the point of unusability. Does >anyone have suggestions for thinning the tipping solution? > > Thanks > > Jane in Northern Virginia > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 19:08:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NN8CVH006464 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:08:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6NN82l0025426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NMkTtf015782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NMjlho015450; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6NMjhIf015344 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyepaige@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.61.75]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:30:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:30:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 68.100.223.115 by BAY102-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:30:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.100.223.115] X-Originating-Email: [ladyepaige@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladyepaige@hotmail.com From: "paige" To: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:30:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2006 21:30:20.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[32E920D0:01C6AE9F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] email contact X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:08:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C40152.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO jane p, please contact me off list....this is paige _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 20:22:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O0M5hf008752 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:22:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6O0LuHt009302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O0GQpF027799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O0FSXB063886; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O0FGOO063753 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k6O0F84O002661 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:15:10 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.53.168] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-53-168.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.53.168]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O0F0Yg163768 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:15:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060723163727.02652aa8@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:15:24 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1901 bathing suit event X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:22:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C412A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The Hyde Street Pier Living History Players are doing their 1901 bathing suit event Saturday, August 12th at the San Francisco Maritime National Historical Park. At least one of us will be wearing a bathing suit, and the rest of us will be wearing either c.1901 Summer clothes or (non-Navy) c.1901 sailor clothes. Everyone is invited to come down in c.1901 costume and splash with us in the bay or watch us splash. Period-looking picnic lunches are welcome, as are games which can be played on our narrow sloping beach. Low tide will be at 8:18am, and high tide will be at 3:08pm. The average water temperature is 55 degrees, Fahrenheit. Parking is truly awful, so carpool or use public transit whenever possible. Local restaurants are plentiful, and range in price from McDonalds and In-N-Out Burger to more than I can afford. There is no admission fee to the pier itself, and costumed living history participants may freely visit the ships for which there normally is a fee. Please fill out a volunteer form at the volunteer office, if you haven't already done this, so the park can count your hours as donations to us. For details, contact me off-list. kayta@funstuft.com CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 23 22:09:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O29Ks7012610 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:09:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6O29ESY018519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O25s0A050488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6O25EIf040412; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail-45.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-45.bluehost.com [70.96.188.14]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6O25AxH040359 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rwfranz@rwfranz.org) Received: (qmail 29109 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2006 02:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box57.bluehost.com) (70.103.189.39) by mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 02:05:09 -0000 Received: from cvip-dsl-207-39.cvip.net ([129.8.207.39] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by box57.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G4poi-00072Z-Df for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:05:08 -0600 Message-ID: <44C42AD1.5030805@rwfranz.org> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:05:05 +0000 From: Roger Franz User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {599:box57.bluehost.com:rwfranzo:rwfranz.org} {sentby:smtp auth 129.8.207.39 authed with rwfranz+rwfranz.org} X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold Award X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C42BCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Saw this posted on another list, thought it interesting and perhaps relevant to some on this list, and so here it is. Originally posted on CAID mailing list by Scott Jaqua (hagerson@pacbell.net): > I am bored and doing a little lunch hour surfing. In a round about way > I came across some grants, funds and awards for historical research. > And this one caught my eye. I am thinking that if someone really > wanted to take the art of historic dress to the next level, then here > is a way to do it. > > The Janet Arnold Award from the Society of Antiquaries of London > > http://www.sal.org.uk/grants/janetarnold.php > > "Janet Arnold (1932 *– *1998) made provision for the > establishment of this award in order to further in-depth study of > Western dress. Applicants must be able to demonstrate that they wish to > pursue a particular piece of original research based on items of dress > or their remains, with a view to eventually disseminating knowledge > gained with the award through publication, display, cataloguing, > teaching or through practical use in conservation or accurate > reproduction. The amount of money for distribution in any one year will > not exceed £4000. > > The award may be used to assist with research costs, including travel, > accommodation and any incidental expenses such as purchase of > photographs or slides..........." > > Scott B Jaqua > Hagerson Forge _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 07:01:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OB13Wc026765 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:01:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OB0vef027090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:01:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OAvbaq008488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:57:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OAutWr019660; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6OAuqNw019575 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:56:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45516 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2006 10:56:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pECrtvFFypd/iQPE0e7Wx2LsubKOMaiteZWrnFCosBjIe5QHvEBpTS3jQlvJThe0A2y9UbRk1eCGYk3exRCTGTFe8djAU22/hKwCep62VihqzLeB2ctxcgW0Fz+V3wc5xDvS796jVL6rbqsfnYT0fwQ6Mn4eb6Gq2G74pixOhl8= ; Message-ID: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:56:47 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C4A869.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi, I've never been much interested in trousers in the middle ages, so I know only a few about it. I'm now talking about the clothing of peasants - I've recently seen a picture of a complicated fastening system which should have been historically accurate. Here it is: http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/341b.jpg http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/2021b.jpg I have absolutely no clue whether it is right or wrong. Does someone know? What kind of fastening was used then? Thanks, Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 07:25:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OBPPVf029894 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:25:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OBPJdl002059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:25:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OBM5H7011074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OBLTaf035152; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OBLNGB035036 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:21:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2006 12:20:41 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AesRAAtJxESBT4htLA Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:1936 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G4yTy-0009GJ-0v for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:20:18 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060724121425.024a8780@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:20:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? In-Reply-To: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C4AE1F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 11:56 24/07/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > I've never been much interested in trousers in the middle ages, > so I know only a few about it. I'm now talking about the clothing > of peasants - I've recently seen a picture of a complicated > fastening system which should have been historically accurate. Here it is: > http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/341b.jpg > http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/2021b.jpg > I have absolutely no clue whether it is right or wrong. Does > someone know? What kind of fastening was used then? > > Thanks, Zuzana It is probable that the trousers in the pictures are very late 18th or early 19th century. I have never seen men's trousers laced up the front, and I wonder if these are in fact nor original, but a reproduction. The pairs in the first picture have similar fastenings to original trousers/trowsers I have seen from about 1815, although I have never seen them with draw strings.Where do the pictures come from? That might help to date them. Incidentally, I would have said that trousers, as we recognise them today, were not much worn in medieval times. They mostly wore hose, either two separate legs tied to a belt or to the doublet, or a pair of joined hose, fastened in the same way. These were frequently cut on the cross in order to make them fit fairly tightly. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 09:09:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD9sUM031676 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:09:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OD9mIN029581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD6Rfr022913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD5n7h005454; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:05:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD5hMM005381 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.194.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.194] helo=faucet.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1G507y-0002Wb-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: <44C4D321.4090004@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:03:13 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C4C69C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I agree with Suzi that these are meant to replicate late 18th or 19th century fall-front trousers. What place and time are you researching? 11th-century Anglo-Saxon men wore different leg coverings than 15th-century men in Italy, but both are from the middle ages. Melanie Schuessler Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, I've never been much interested in trousers in the middle ages, > so I know only a few about it. I'm now talking about the clothing of > peasants - I've recently seen a picture of a complicated fastening > system which should have been historically accurate. Here it is: > http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/341b.jpg > http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/2021b.jpg I have absolutely no clue > whether it is right or wrong. Does someone know? What kind of > fastening was used then? > > Thanks, Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 09:11:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ODBscp031748 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:11:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6ODBm6N018419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:11:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD8aS5023179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD81Xh006864; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OD7uOL006801 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.194.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.194] helo=faucet.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1G50A8-00034x-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <44C4D3A6.8070009@faucet.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:05:26 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tipping Solution References: <072320061533.12968.44C396E1000421A6000032A821587667550A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:11:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C4C714.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Jane Pease wrote: > I have a beginners' class making stays, and am nearly ready to cut > lengths of steel boning. I find that my tipping solution ( for > dipping the ends of the steel to prevent rust) has thickened to the > point of unusability. Does anyone have suggestions for thinning the > tipping solution? If I'm not mistaken, someone in the costume shop where I used to work used water to thin it. I remember being extremely skeptical that this would work, but it did. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 11:36:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OFa6B9001499 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:36:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OFa0la005424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:36:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OFWUG1042384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:32:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OFVhYO030917; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OFVegR030787 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42473A6C37 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:31:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C4E7FE.8050709@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:32:14 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] St Louis Pirate Festival X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C4E8E0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Does anybody know more about this? I've found their website, but can't seem to find any pictures or reviews. stlpiratefest.com Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 13:09:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OH9GLA003523 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:09:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OH99Eq021825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:09:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OH71xx057113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OH4WjR021920; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6OH4RwD021739 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98367 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jul 2006 17:04:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DIlIqapVsAm75EyBRd6isYiAZXFOK0TNiUKalMHJSNQDcasVH77gBYXdi1vXBmINePTpLkpv07rsR9WAZum7i4mcT/7S1wVNk8PGRJdIlgnr8Ksb/WeEZnFYOPl5JTOvqtxJn1kYF5zS4Lbzde+pUx9efx+QFn5m3Uo0Igc1uG4= ; Message-ID: <20060724170421.98365.qmail@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:04:21 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? 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Status: RO The link with the trousers was from an on-line shop selling armour, clothes and such. But it is VERY amateur-like, most of the clothes are rather fantasy than historical. But I just saw that complicated fall-down system and didn't know anything about it, so I thought I should ask. I know 2 kinds of trousers (hosen), probably the two Suzi Clarke mentioned. I guess both are available at historic enterprises: http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=6 As I said, I've never paid much attention to the leg wear, I knew only that very tight hosen were worn during the later middle ages. I thought peasants and working people wore something more comfortable, but - now after re-searching in all my pictures- it seems I was wrong... oops, I really have a gap on that topic... I'm interested in 12-14c middle and western Europe, like Anglo-Saxon and around. Not southern Europe like Spain and Italy. Melanie Schuessler wrote: I agree with Suzi that these are meant to replicate late 18th or 19th century fall-front trousers. What place and time are you researching? 11th-century Anglo-Saxon men wore different leg coverings than 15th-century men in Italy, but both are from the middle ages. Melanie Schuessler Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, I've never been much interested in trousers in the middle ages, > so I know only a few about it. I'm now talking about the clothing of > peasants - I've recently seen a picture of a complicated fastening > system which should have been historically accurate. Here it is: > http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/341b.jpg > http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/2021b.jpg I have absolutely no clue > whether it is right or wrong. Does someone know? What kind of > fastening was used then? > > Thanks, Zuzana > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 13:15:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHFwPd003664 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:15:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OHFqLM010015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:15:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHF2cN058456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHBuQs029056; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:11:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHBkSV028882 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x29so892628nfb for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZLaSug9Efdr+enMrYzLSssYFsG6UTENLxheAvQ9irCOxaT5XSjsUqVjTK2bpWYpCAqwNP1hxFCWlMyKTMAH1FnkHLI+KVga37rTa/hxL+IDW/HypTUVaa/XTf4mCwA/O64F3wY8J+gTS+D2drM2VveDZV1vl3MjE+0OpxbuzMm0= Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr3585531nfl; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.5 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0607241011pe146ceci3a53209c5aadddae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:11:39 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Book software In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060722085002.02ac6870@pop.radiks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200607211800.k6LI06qv054890@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060722085002.02ac6870@pop.radiks.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C50048.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the input, Pierre. I've had several PDAs in the past few years, and for some reason just putting batteries in them seemed to deplete them so I just gave up and went back to the reliable datebook and pen with Post-it flags on important dates. Once I get the books listed, I'll be happy to carry my list, no matter how heavy it gets. EndNote is just too bulky for my history and costume books, and it only links to PubMed, a medical listing, so there's no automatic downloading for me. The search continues after Costume College when I'm going to play with the free downloads and see which will be the best. As so often happens, I waited too long; I really wanted the library before CC, not after. Sigh... LynnD On 7/22/06, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > At 01:00 PM 7/21/2006, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > We don't use a specific book software. We use > Access. I know a lot of people aren't fond of it. > But, by having a piece of software called > Documents to Go on our PDA's we can export a list > of books from the Access database to the PDA's > including whatever fields we want and voila! An > easily carried list of every book in our collection. > > We know what you mean by buying duplicates. We > used to do that a lot. Before we had the PDA's we > had to print out the book list and put it in a > notebook. We have over 12,000 books in our > collection (no, not all, or even most, costume > books) that notebook was very heavy. > > We also use our PDA's to keep lists of > CDs/Records and DVDs as well as a few other things. > > Pierre _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 13:19:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHJ4Wa003730 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:19:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OHIwhw017833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:19:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHIFLd059050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:18:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHFrQk032999; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHFhHB032680 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6173FE for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9A81C25DD for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:32 -0600 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:31 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:15:30 -0600 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D9640104E2F2@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] bodiced petticoats Thread-Index: AcarXyMs50GlawtsQxW2zxXiptdsUAD4pBGw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2006 17:15:31.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[C49BF570:01C6AF44] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6OHFhHB032680 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:19:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C50103.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > The down > side is that while I can now pattern it and it will fit under > the dress I want to make - I can't decide how full the skirt > should be. Any idea with yours????? I'm starting from the skirt pattern of the dress I'm going to make (from _Moden 1790-1840_ by Ellen Andersen, can't remember the page...am traveling right now and don't have access to my library). I haven't decided what percentage of the width to use...since I'm making a c1820 dress, I'm thinking of making the petticoat pretty full - at least 3/4 of the width of the actual dress' skirt. Hope that helps a little, sorry for the delay in responding, -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 13:25:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHPFC6003828 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:25:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OHP8n0020403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:25:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHNFIH059680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHKTZg037403; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:20:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHKIff037125 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2006 18:20:05 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KACKexESBT4ht Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:2908 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G545k-000Ci0-U4 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:19:41 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060724181920.024b2b58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:20:46 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? In-Reply-To: <20060724170421.98365.qmail@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <44C4D321.4090004@faucet.net> <20060724170421.98365.qmail@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:25:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C50275.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 18:04 24/07/2006, you wrote: >The link with the trousers was from an on-line shop selling armour, >clothes and such. But it is VERY amateur-like, most of the clothes >are rather fantasy than historical. But I just saw that complicated >fall-down system and didn't know anything about it, so I thought I >should ask. I know 2 kinds of trousers (hosen), probably the two >Suzi Clarke mentioned. I guess both are available at historic enterprises: > http://www.historicenterprises.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=6 > As I said, I've never paid much attention to the leg wear, I knew > only that very tight hosen were worn during the later middle ages. > I thought peasants and working people wore something more > comfortable, but - now after re-searching in all my pictures- it > seems I was wrong... oops, I really have a gap on that topic... > > I'm interested in 12-14c middle and western Europe, like > Anglo-Saxon and around. Not southern Europe like Spain and Italy. > Gwen at Historic Enterprises has a good reputation in the Living History world in England. And her things always look good. So yes, I think that should be what you are looking for. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 13:40:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHelRc004081 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OHefbR026610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:40:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHdhQx062030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHZWvb051907; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:35:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OHZBIZ051583 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C19813D259 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:35:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] St Louis Pirate Festival Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44C4E7FE.8050709@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:40:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C50619.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This one in September? http://stlpiratefest.com/index2.shtml Pirate webring http://stlpiratefest.com/links.shtml -----Original Message----- Does anybody know more about this? I've found their website, but can't seem to find any pictures or reviews. stlpiratefest.com Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 14:14:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OIEU8r004705 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:14:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OIEOFu013696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:14:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OIDgIW067067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:13:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OIBF0g087186; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OIBC7l087151 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:11:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 91F973D3BB for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:11:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060724170421.98365.qmail@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:14:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C50E00.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Depends on what you mean by tight. More like close fitting. Pattern cut on the bias of the fabric. http://www.greydragon.org/library/underwear3.html http://www.larp.com/midgard/hosen.htm Though you will find some sort of "pants" prior to the middle ages in Northern Europe but you will find that the hosen (for some reason unknown to me) was popular in that region during the middle ages. -----Original Message----- As I said, I've never paid much attention to the leg wear, I knew only that very tight hosen were worn during the later middle ages. I thought peasants and working people wore something more comfortable, but - now after re-searching in all my pictures- it seems I was wrong... oops, I really have a gap on that topic... I'm interested in 12-14c middle and western Europe, like Anglo-Saxon and around. Not southern Europe like Spain and Italy. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 17:23:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OLN3B9007736 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:23:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OLMvle013577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OLKuav000981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OLKeeP074528; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6OEkos7085749 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 64313 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2006 14:46:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (mariagonzalez59@sbcglobal.net@68.93.60.26 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2006 14:46:44 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060724121425.024a8780@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060724121425.024a8780@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:46:42 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:23:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C53A31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Suzi is correct. Those trousers are bogus and relatively modern, basically combining broadfall front 18th century overalls (panataloons) with a non-correct lace up front. Probably somebody made a pair of overalls like this with a broadfall front, but I don't think I've ever seen them depicted. Before 1800 "trousers" were mainly worn by ship's crews and were nothing like these, except possibly for the drawstring. Trousers ended at or right below the knee and were very wide legged. Roman soldiers and other Europeans wore very similar type clothing in cold weather in Imperial times. There may be a continuous link of usage somewhere between 400 AD and 1500 AD other than at sea, but probably not. Even the sailor connection may not be unbroken. Also, note the belt loops, a 20th century development, on the front. What we call trousers and pants today are actually descended from American military overalls introduced at the end of the colonial period prior to the American Revolution. That's basically what these people are selling, but with the incorrect lace front under the fall. Ed Walton Lost Battalions Military Reproductions http://www.lostbattalions.com Walton & Taylor Mercantile http://www.waltontaylor. com On Jul 24, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 11:56 24/07/2006, you wrote: > >> Hi, >> I've never been much interested in trousers in the middle ages, >> so I know only a few about it. I'm now talking about the clothing >> of peasants - I've recently seen a picture of a complicated >> fastening system which should have been historically accurate. >> Here it is: >> http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/341b.jpg >> http://drakkaria.com/obchod/fotky/2021b.jpg >> I have absolutely no clue whether it is right or wrong. Does >> someone know? What kind of fastening was used then? >> >> Thanks, Zuzana >> > > > It is probable that the trousers in the pictures are very late > 18th or early 19th century. I have never seen men's trousers laced > up the front, and I wonder if these are in fact nor original, but a > reproduction. The pairs in the first picture have similar > fastenings to original trousers/trowsers I have seen from about > 1815, although I have never seen them with draw strings.Where do > the pictures come from? That might help to date them. > > Incidentally, I would have said that trousers, as we recognise them > today, were not much worn in medieval times. They mostly wore hose, > either two separate legs tied to a belt or to the doublet, or a > pair of joined hose, fastened in the same way. These were > frequently cut on the cross in order to make them fit fairly tightly. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 17:26:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OLQerW007791 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6OLQYGu015678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OLOgN7001648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OLOfQs078427; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6OIBFuM087184 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AA2C3D3BB for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:11:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] St Louis Pirate Festival Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:11:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:26:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C53B0A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is the first time the festival is being done so there wouldn't be pictures or reviews. The people putting it on are the same people who do the St. Louis Renfest. De -----Original Message----- This one in September? http://stlpiratefest.com/index2.shtml Pirate webring http://stlpiratefest.com/links.shtml -----Original Message----- Does anybody know more about this? I've found their website, but can't seem to find any pictures or reviews. stlpiratefest.com Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 19:38:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ONctjD009940 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:38:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6ONcnri029884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:38:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ONcA3B022512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ONc4dx001339; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6ONbxt6001210 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B9DA6C37 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C559D2.1090606@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:37:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] St Louis Pirate Festival References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:38:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C55A09.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO otsisto wrote: > This is the first time the festival is being done so there wouldn't be > pictures or reviews. The people putting it on are the same people who do the > St. Louis Renfest. Yeah... I was hoping someone might have some additional info, you never know among costumers. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 21:42:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P1gGDt012743 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:42:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6P1gAHg022324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P1f2UF046578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P1envJ091980; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P1ejN4091892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6P2TIc3006098 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:29:18 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:52:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060724121425.024a8780@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607242052.54046.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:42:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C576F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Monday 24 July 2006 10:46 am, Ed Walton wrote: > Suzi is correct. Those trousers are bogus and relatively modern, > basically combining broadfall front 18th century overalls > (panataloons) with a non-correct lace up front. Probably somebody > made a pair of overalls like this with a broadfall front, but I don't > think I've ever seen them depicted. Before 1800 "trousers" were > mainly worn by ship's crews and were nothing like these, except > possibly for the drawstring. Trousers ended at or right below the > knee and were very wide legged. Roman soldiers and other Europeans > wore very similar type clothing in cold weather in Imperial times. > There may be a continuous link of usage somewhere between 400 AD and > 1500 AD other than at sea, but probably not. Even the sailor > connection may not be unbroken. Also, note the belt loops, a 20th > century development, on the front. Agreed, with one caveat. Belt loops may not have appeared regularly on men's trousers before the 20th century, but there is at least one archaeological find that appears to have them--the trousers in the Thorsberg find, dated to approximately the 3rd-4th century A.D. http://slumberland.org/moodle/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=582 -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 24 23:39:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P3dr1d014809 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:39:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6P3dlq8005306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:39:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P3d9rW063699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P3d3ng075752; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P3cxId075699 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B3D5937F82 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:38:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] St Louis Pirate Festival Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44C559D2.1090606@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:39:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C59283.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO What kind o' info you looking for? I can't promise anything but I know one of the costumers from the STL Renfest that might know something about the pirate thingy. De -----Original Message----- Yeah... I was hoping someone might have some additional info, you never know among costumers. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 01:28:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5S6C6016063 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:28:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6P5S0PC027386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:28:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5QxoB074129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5Quid042915; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5Qq6W042886 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3183333E98 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:26:52 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:26:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:28:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C5ABE0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Belt loops are not a 20th century development. there is an extent pair of pants from a bog from the 1000s(?), Norse with belt loops. De -----Original Message----- Also, note the belt loops, a 20th century development, on the front. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 01:34:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5YYWM016176 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:34:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6P5YSDf029667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:34:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5Xtbq074778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6P5Xm5t047317; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6P5XLUt047036 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:33:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 37393 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 05:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (mariagonzalez59@sbcglobal.net@68.93.60.26 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 05:33:16 -0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:32:59 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C5AD64.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Right. I should have said they are a 20th century development specifically as they pertain to "modern" style pantaloons/trousers/ overalls as depicted in the photo. Ed Walton Walton & Taylor Mercantile www.waltontaylor.com On Jul 25, 2006, at 12:26 AM, otsisto wrote: > Belt loops are not a 20th century development. > there is an extent pair of pants from a bog from the 1000s(?), > Norse with > belt loops. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Also, note the belt loops, a 20th > century development, on the front. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDHL41027624 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:17:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PDHFZQ025187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:17:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDGLWS027707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDGIxN041983; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6PDGECa041837 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 60210 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2006 13:16:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=06KVtae03f426ncxF9K9/i6wR43dm41jcezt2WJBBLCPCUWfVQxEBPElsd3h83/HakgTlGcZqXoYSGYh/c0F5mIuXDPvdGOTR3cIc9UIvSD9BkGi/cMFg8aiiuN8qrcsib9sccLVI6s+YCGSnR+9xNbESEPeyGMNESEb3xWAF8A= ; Message-ID: <20060725131609.60208.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:16:09 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? 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Status: RO "That's basically what these people are selling, but with the incorrect lace front under the fall." What should be then under the fall? Buttons? I have no idea... Zuzana --------------------------------- Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 09:28:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDS5lm027767 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:28:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PDRxIX029059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:28:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDQSY8029003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDQRP0049674; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:26:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6PDQNOu049530 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:26:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 26894 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2006 13:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.101?) (mariagonzalez59@sbcglobal.net@68.93.60.26 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 13:26:17 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20060725131609.60208.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060725131609.60208.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <66A5CE6D-4394-461F-AD4D-2CEEF7BAA2E1@airmail.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:26:15 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:28:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C61C5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There's usually and open space or just some kind of overlap (not usually) below the waist closure at the center button, and the fall flap comes up to overlap in front. Look at breeches patterns from about 1830 back. I suppose that flap is just kind of a development of the codpiece. Breeches didn't have a separate waist band, but a lot of military overalls did. Funny thing when civilians started wearing them and overalls branched off into becoming pantaloons and trousers, the waistbands went away. Military overalls and civilian work overalls continued with the separate waistband, just as we see on blue jeans and combat fatigues today. Ed Walton Walton & Taylor Mercantile www.waltontaylor.com On Jul 25, 2006, at 8:16 AM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > "That's basically what these > people are selling, but with the incorrect lace front under the fall." > > What should be then under the fall? Buttons? I have no idea... > > Zuzana > > > > > --------------------------------- > Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the handy > changes to Yahoo! Groups. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 09:35:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDZbB6027878 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:35:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PDZTs4001778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:35:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDYhFg030164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDYe1l056218; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDYYcA055983 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2006 14:34:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AT0KAEy4xUSBT4clgUc Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:1922 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G5N39-000KOh-4y for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:34:15 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060725142839.0250d710@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:33:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? 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Status: RO At 14:26 25/07/2006, you wrote: >There's usually and open space or just some kind of overlap (not >usually) below the waist closure at the center button, and the fall >flap comes up to overlap in front. Look at breeches patterns from >about 1830 back. I suppose that flap is just kind of a development of >the codpiece. Breeches didn't have a separate waist band, but a lot >of military overalls did. Funny thing when civilians started wearing >them and overalls branched off into becoming pantaloons and trousers, >the waistbands went away. Military overalls and civilian work >overalls continued with the separate waistband, just as we see on >blue jeans and combat fatigues today. All the 18th and 19th century breeches I have seen do have a separate waistband. Perhaps it is different in the U.S. although according to "Costume Close-up" and "Fitting and Proper", waistbands were worn in the U.S. too. There is frequently a small pocket, usually lined in chamois, into which a small watch can be put built into the waistband, which can be up to 3" deep. There are pockets set into the join between the waistband and the top of the breeches, and quite often at the side of the "fall" as well. There are usually two shaped pieces under the fall, which are buttoned together, leaving a gap at the very bottom. All this is hidden by the fall. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 09:55:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDtaIE028743 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:55:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PDtUpr011071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:55:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDsvWu033052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:54:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDstuo073738; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:54:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PDspsR073668 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.7249179; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:54:30 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k6PDsTf18391.; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:54:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:54:29 +0100 Message-Id: <44C6309302000014000BC07A@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:54:11 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? 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Status: RO Seventeenth-century breeches, which were always fairly voluminous, were closed with an unconcealed row of buttons. I suppose as the garment became more close-fitting, a simple button closure must have been seen as unattractive and the fall front evolved, with the buttons concealed under the waistcoat. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> Suzi Clarke 25/07/2006 14:33 >>> At 14:26 25/07/2006, you wrote: >There's usually and open space or just some kind of overlap (not >usually) below the waist closure at the center button, and the fall >flap comes up to overlap in front. Look at breeches patterns from >about 1830 back. I suppose that flap is just kind of a development of >the codpiece. Breeches didn't have a separate waist band, but a lot >of military overalls did. Funny thing when civilians started wearing >them and overalls branched off into becoming pantaloons and trousers, >the waistbands went away. Military overalls and civilian work >overalls continued with the separate waistband, just as we see on >blue jeans and combat fatigues today. All the 18th and 19th century breeches I have seen do have a separate waistband. Perhaps it is different in the U.S. although according to "Costume Close-up" and "Fitting and Proper", waistbands were worn in the U.S. too. There is frequently a small pocket, usually lined in chamois, into which a small watch can be put built into the waistband, which can be up to 3" deep. There are pockets set into the join between the waistband and the top of the breeches, and quite often at the side of the "fall" as well. There are usually two shaped pieces under the fall, which are buttoned together, leaving a gap at the very bottom. All this is hidden by the fall. 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Status: RO otsisto wrote: > What kind o' info you looking for? I can't promise anything but I know one > of the costumers from the STL Renfest that might know something about the > pirate thingy. > De I was wondering what sets this apart as a Pirate festival, when it's run by the renfest folks, on renfest grounds, with the same renfest acts (including pirates) we already get locally. Aside from a preponderance of "ayes" and "arrhs" and red bandannas, how is this different or interesting enough to make me drive half a day to get to it? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 17:03:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PL3Auq003869 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:03:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PL34vF014388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:03:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PL1640092412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PL0xRu089653; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PL0miF089485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 71-81-238-29.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([71.81.238.29]:29565 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G5U1P-00054x-Ea for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:00:55 -0500 Message-ID: <03db01c6b02d$68065460$c600a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C4D321.4090004@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:00:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:03:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C68708.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ok, so this is only quasi-semi-vaguely-barely historical. In the first pirates movie which I haven't seen for a couple of years, the heroine whose name I can't remember is given a dark plum dress to wear by some bad guy. I recently saw about 5 minutes of the movie again, at which point I remembered that I really liked that dress (especially the sleeves), and would like to make it, historical or not. However, apart from the corsets, I'm not really familiar with the clothing of that era (1650s or 1660sish?). I'm looking to make a version of it that's heavily based on the historical style, but which need not be absolutely accurate, since I'm doing it for sheer pretty-dress-ness. Other than Nicole Kipar's website and the Waugh and Arnold pattern books, can anyone point me to some resources that would be helpful from the viewpoint of actually making this sort of dress? I generally make my own patterns, but I'm definitely not above making use of a good commercial pattern, if there's one out there. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 17:16:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLGlqj004022 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:16:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PLGfuA032071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLG0Ku094626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLFmqZ003653; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:15:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PJxRic032138 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 10AE236A1C for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:59:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:59:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Attn. Dawn FW: the pirate fest thing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C68A39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO -----Original Message----- De- That is a very valid set of questions. I am not actively involved in the pirate fest prep work, because of my school schedule, but I am keeping up with the overall plans. This first year, I can't really speak to _how_ different it will be, since we're trying to start up with very little money or prep time, but the concept behind the festival is not ren faire. Though remaining with the french theme that the StL faire has, it's being set on Martinique, and the dates have changed dramatically. Some of cast will be playing various historical pirates from a 200+ year period of time, but the rest of cast will be set in the french colonial period, around the 1750s. Getting that big of a costuming change-over done in one season is a real challenge, obviously. We're aiming high, with the realization that, just like the faire itself, we'll have to keep working every year to get closer to a truly historical appearance. I can't speak for what the patrons will do, but the cast is emphatically not supposed to be indulging in a lot of Ayes, Arrrs, and red bandanas. We remain a historical re-enactment group, just shifting focus for this new event. Clearly, with largely the same cast and using parts of the same site, along with a similar crew of performers and merchants, there will be a lot that feels the same. The hope is that there will be enough exploration of a different period of history to make it worthwhile for people who are looking for something different. (And a lot of piratical silliness will probably ensue as well.) If there are more specific questions, I can try to get them answered, since I'm still on staff (just taking a break for a few months while I get adjusted to my new schedule - there are other people who are a lot more experienced than I am at colonial costuming, so they were asked to largely handle this one, to take some pressure off of me). Hope that helps. Feel free to poke at me as needed. - fae _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 17:24:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLOvku004121 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:24:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PLOpgo021846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:24:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLO13b095826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLNxpR011491; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PLNtOt011310 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156E9A6D28 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:23:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C68BEF.3020601@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:23:59 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C4D321.4090004@faucet.net> <03db01c6b02d$68065460$c600a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <03db01c6b02d$68065460$c600a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:24:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C68C23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO E House wrote: > Other than Nicole Kipar's website > and the Waugh and Arnold pattern books, can anyone point me to some > resources that would be helpful from the viewpoint of actually making > this sort of dress? http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_potc.shtml I might be able to dig up some more later, I did a bunch of research this spring, but I need to find my notes. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 19:07:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PN7FnP005412 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PN7Asu025355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:07:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PN6Tjd010768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PN6Pih011657; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep04.xtra.co.nz (fep04.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.242]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PN6ISo011498 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.176.167]) by fep04.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060725230610.DBVZ19789.fep04.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:10 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.4/399]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:13 +1200 Message-ID: <002c01c6b03e$ed245500$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com><44C4D321.4090004@faucet.net> <03db01c6b02d$68065460$c600a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:06:10 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:07:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C6A41E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I'm looking to make a version of it that's heavily based on the historical > style, but which need not be absolutely accurate, since I'm doing it for > sheer pretty-dress-ness. Other than Nicole Kipar's website and the Waugh > and Arnold pattern books, can anyone point me to some resources that would > be helpful from the viewpoint of actually making this sort of dress? I > generally make my own patterns, but I'm definitely not above making use of a > good commercial pattern, if there's one out there. I think you pretty well have it covered. I found Waugh really useful, not just for the patterns but for the info about how garments were constucted and put together (especially the 18thC section.) But Hunnisett might have some more info on the putting together of the gowns (even in a modern sense.) So that might be somehtign to look for. Tarrant's book Development of Costume (I think that's the title?) might also offer more information about the insides of the garments. She does share photos of the inside of several garments, but I'm not sure about the inside of a 17thC woman's dress... I'm thinking the costume in the movie is an Hollywoodised version of the informal dress of the 1670s-80s: http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1600d.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/nym4.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1678_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/database/dbsearch.shtml http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1678_1&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=167x_6&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=168x_3&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=168x_5&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=167x_8&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=167x_9&pfad=1600 http://www.marquise.de/database/dbout.php?name=1682_1&pfad=1600 Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/399 - Release Date: 25/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jul 25 19:52:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PNqLRn005908 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:52:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6PNqGdi009182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:52:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PNpg6j016657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PNpdeN049807; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6PNpaCG049694 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.224.25]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:51:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:51:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.224.200 by by105fd.bay105.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:51:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.190.101] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200607251806.k6PI5Afv019020@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:51:28 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2006 23:51:31.0050 (UTC) FILETIME=[40A624A0:01C6B045] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] belt loops / belt buckles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C6AEB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I remember, lo this many years ago, someone telling me that D ring belt buckles weren't invented until the 1800's. It's amazing what people will accept as fact. Catalina nunca sin mi vino Message: 6 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:26:49 -0500 From: "otsisto" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval trousers - fastening??? To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Belt loops are not a 20th century development. there is an extent pair of pants from a bog from the 1000s(?), Norse with belt loops. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 00:20:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4K4Pp010106 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:20:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6Q4JwuT005966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4JJlG048396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:19:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4JBDN028799; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4J6sR028684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6Q57jX2024544 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:07:45 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:31:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060724105647.45514.qmail@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <44C4D321.4090004@faucet.net> <03db01c6b02d$68065460$c600a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <03db01c6b02d$68065460$c600a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200607252331.22019.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:20:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C6ED6E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO On Tuesday 25 July 2006 5:00 pm, E House wrote: > Ok, so this is only quasi-semi-vaguely-barely historical. In the first > pirates movie which I haven't seen for a couple of years, the heroine whose > name I can't remember is given a dark plum dress to wear by some bad guy. I > recently saw about 5 minutes of the movie again, at which point I > remembered that I really liked that dress (especially the sleeves), and > would like to make it, historical or not. However, apart from the corsets, > I'm not really familiar with the clothing of that era (1650s or 1660sish?). Google for "No Quarter Given" That's a magazine (and I think the name of the website too) for pirate (yes, pirate) reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 00:44:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4iIsb010406 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:44:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6Q4iDqE000473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:44:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4hdjB050992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4hcRV044166; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.cland.net [216.106.88.196] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q4hWmF044104 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DE3536A2A for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:43:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 23:43:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <200607252331.22019.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C6F31D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I found two pirate costuming retailers on this site. http://www.captjackspiratehats.com/links/ They seem to have a clue about men's wear but only a vague notion for women's. -----Original Message----- Google for "No Quarter Given" That's a magazine (and I think the name of the website too) for pirate (yes, pirate) reenactors. -- Cathy Raymond _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 03:41:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q7f3Wm007451 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:41:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6Q7evH1013629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:41:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q7eCOp066683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:40:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6Q7e7BN045744; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6Q7e4P5045637 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 77209 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 07:39:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TTOtGPr+9W8eHzCIw6q62R/sXQErGaG9BHPqZNtUME9lxzQPt6lADHDf0CpIE19aP7EtinBXm2JuqT0Yr/w4+1ApYWgrE6bfERDK8GNSPvnYDVM/4IZ/lYpBKhTkhomXEaRTr5N0eyij29Gm4r+iL47n8C0+2ECQcSpD7nIUKw4= ; Message-ID: <20060726073958.77207.qmail@web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:39:58 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:39:58 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6Q7e4P5045637 Subject: [h-cost] V&A - Italian interior books published in October X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:41:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C71C89.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just a heads-up: The V&A will be publishing two books this October which look like they will contain a good few paintings of people within interiors from Renaissance Italy, to tie in with another exhibition. It does look like they also refer to dress and jewellery! "At Home in Renaissance Italy" "This beautifully illustrated book is the first to look so comprehensively at the role of the urban Italian house in the development of Renaissance art and culture. 'At Home in Renaissance Italy' brings together a wide range of objects, from furniture and kitchen utensils to popular prints, jewellery and everyday dress, revealing how the homes of the upper- and middle-classes made a crucial contribution to the flowering of the visual arts in 15th- and 16th-century Italy. Drawing on a wide array of sources including letters, treatises, inventories, account-books and archaeological and conservation reports, it offers a completely fresh exploration of the fascinating domestic world of Renaissance Italy." ISBN NUMBER 1851774890 "Inside the Renaissance House" "The Renaissance home was an outward symbol of a family’s status, wealth and erudition, and much care went into its arrangement and furnishing, and the art of household management. 'Inside the Renaissance House' vividly conveys through contemporary illustrations and lively writing the realities of living in Florence and Venice during this innovative era and takes the reader on a room-by-room tour. From the sala, devoted to games, music and entertaining in style, to the bedchamber, which was far from the private space it is today, to the study, full of rare and precious objects, Elizabeth Currie evokes the life that went on in each room." ISBN NUMBER 1851774904 Katherine, off to start saving up her pennies. "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 09:02:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QD29kK024521 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:02:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QD23sp008412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:02:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QD16Bc096005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QD0tBL035242; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6Q7Dofh031863 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 01:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61354 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 07:13:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fin3UU53D0chpZs4h6w6zpZnktOb8Iufnl9gxGxqEHSvRbFJgMGEY70jHKd1ooknRRYukIt4BwNbWpaAaldQr572I1UZxVrCq6aglHHYxstlFiXBTDcRJ9UdyPeXh5X2jf5/VcVhKG5If6YViH0Kx1XLxNtEvztkGa8J4loLtVg= ; Message-ID: <20060726071345.61352.qmail@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:13:45 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 00:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:02:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C767CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I know a wonderful costumer who makes costumes for dolls according to famous movies like Star wars, LOTR, ... and also Pirates OtC! On her webpage there is a beautiful gallery of her dresses and for each of them a detailed diary with the patterns she used. Here is the gallery-page: http://www.molendrix.com/galerie1.html And here an Elisabeth Swan plum dress diary: http://molendrix.com/plum1.html Though the patterns shown are for dolls, they give a good idea about the shape of the pattern and I found many times very helpful. Alas, the pattern for the plum dress includes only the bodice and the wide sleeves, but I think the patterns for skirt and other parts of the dress are not very hard to make up:-) Zuzana --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 09:19:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QDJh6l025218 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:19:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QDJbBk018559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QDJ5vu098305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:19:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QDJ18C049668; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QDIuMf049618 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 07:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k6QDIu49061723 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ac01c6b0b6$0bd80240$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060726071345.61352.qmail@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:18:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:19:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C76BE9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k6QDJh6l025218 Status: RO Thank you for this fantastic link! I have often wondered where I might find doll patterns like this. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 3:13 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress I know a wonderful costumer who makes costumes for dolls according to famous movies like Star wars, LOTR, ... and also Pirates OtC! On her webpage there is a beautiful gallery of her dresses and for each of them a detailed diary with the patterns she used. Here is the gallery-page: http://www.molendrix.com/galerie1.html And here an Elisabeth Swan plum dress diary: http://molendrix.com/plum1.html Though the patterns shown are for dolls, they give a good idea about the shape of the pattern and I found many times very helpful. Alas, the pattern for the plum dress includes only the bodice and the wide sleeves, but I think the patterns for skirt and other parts of the dress are not very hard to make up:-) Zuzana --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 10:19:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEJvTv027480 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:19:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QEJpYG029510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:19:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEJCnS005458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEJ524097537; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEIxds097357 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.bc2.1032e79 (41809) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:18:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:18:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C77A07.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:20:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: for pirate (yes, pirate) re enactors ************************ And speaking of..... I saw on the History Channel their show of "REAL Pirates of the Caribbean". The info was all very interesting but the costumes in the rather extensive re-enactments were more than pitiful! High School theatre departments could have done better! I mean everything from 1600s to 1700s was mixed... if you could actually put a year on any of the dreadful outfits. We had Spanish Conquistadors fighting pirates in chrome yellow brocade justicorps and white [not powdered] wigs. Then the same outfits would appear for a re-enactment of something in the next century. The British Navy of the early 18th century apparently had no uniforms...everyone on board was dressed differently. And the officers were wearing all kinds of stuff. Top it all off with the fact nothing fit. Don't EVEN get me started on Ann Bonny and Mary Read! YIKES! I don't even know where their outfits came from. Nothing...I tell you, nothing historical about them. Well, they were made of cloth....I think. Now, were this a fun little pirate fantasy, like the movie P's of the C, this would only be mildly annoying. But this is supposed to be the HISTORY channel. And the show was about the REAL pirates. No excuse. Iffen ya can't afford to do the re-enactments correctly, don't rest the entire show upon them! I suspected they relied on re-enactors....with no shame. But if someone got paid to costume the fiasco...oy! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 10:49:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEnKEi029104 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QEnEBG027127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEmaqu009566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:48:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEmYDx023317; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QEmVw5023177 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip03.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.15]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J3000BKZMHP7F30@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:49:01 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO FIRSTFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip03.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:48:25 -0300 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:48:05 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress To: Historical Costume Message-id: <006601c6b0c2$829848c0$6401a8c0@FIRSTFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0630-2, 26-07-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C780EA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, I had to stop watching and only listen to that episode. It was rather rough on a costumer's sensibilities. I have been involved in a documentary piece "In the Village" by Nexus Productions where I was listed (and paid) as the head of wardrobe, but in actual fact I only had control over the costumes of the principals because the 'volunteers' and extras brought their own gear. I did my very best to influence the extras in their choices but did not always succeed. Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > > And speaking of..... > > I saw on the History Channel their show of "REAL Pirates of the > Caribbean". > The info was all very interesting but the costumes in the rather extensive > re-enactments were more than pitiful! High School theatre departments > could > have done better! I mean everything from 1600s to 1700s was mixed... > if you > could actually put a year on any of the dreadful outfits. We had Spanish > Conquistadors fighting pirates in chrome yellow brocade justicorps and > white [not > powdered] wigs. Then the same outfits would appear for a re-enactment of > something in the next century. The British Navy of the early 18th century > apparently had no uniforms...everyone on board was dressed differently. > And the > officers were wearing all kinds of stuff. Top it all off with the fact > nothing > fit. > > Don't EVEN get me started on Ann Bonny and Mary Read! YIKES! I don't even > know where their outfits came from. Nothing...I tell you, nothing > historical > about them. Well, they were made of cloth....I think. > > Now, were this a fun little pirate fantasy, like the movie P's of the C, > this would only be mildly annoying. But this is supposed to be the HISTORY > channel. And the show was about the REAL pirates. No excuse. Iffen ya > can't afford > to do the re-enactments correctly, don't rest the entire show upon them! > > I suspected they relied on re-enactors....with no shame. But if someone > got > paid to costume the fiasco...oy! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 11:30:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFUmDS029744 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QFUgWq008984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFU2YB015856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:30:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFTrlP062799; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFTT5q062425 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28100 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:29:28 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:27:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Thread-Index: AcawvrN5NCGpzSyORm6UIczy/Gl+SgAB+DIg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6QFTT5q062425 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C78AA2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, the costumes were laughable, but the History Channel is on a budget, especially costume-wise. I caught a making-of...some Am Revolution series I think, and they do these shows or series on really small budgets and timeframes. When they are doing American Revolution or American Civil War they can get reinactors for troops to do it for free practically, so what you see for troops and background people is often more authentic garb and gear-wise than the front and center actors. For Pirates of the Carribean 2, Simplicity Patterns has a rough approximation of Keira Knightly's wedding dress and a Marie Antoinette gown in one of their "Fall Preview" patterns. Definitely for those that need a fairly quick costume to go as the female leads in PoC or upcoming Marie Antoinette film. Awaiting Martha McCain's rumoured 18th patterns for Simplicity. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 11:44:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFi2Vv029984 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:44:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QFhvLS013919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:44:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFhGN2018566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFh4vb077350; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFgxnF077154 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CE9314286 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200607261530.k6QFTtQJ062840@net.indra.com> References: <200607261530.k6QFTtQJ062840@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:42:34 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport.net-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: POTC dress...Now M MaCain's 18th cent patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:44:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C78DBD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 9:30 AM -0600 7/26/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Awaiting Martha McCain's rumoured 18th patterns for Simplicity. > >Cindy Abel Last I heard they *might* be out in the Spring 2007? Anyone else? Ta Carol--also awaiting the 18th cent line... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 11:49:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFnoIH030135 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:49:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QFnjUg028329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFn5IN019488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:49:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFmwmB084498; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QFmpWQ084238 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 09:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFFFA6E7F for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:48:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C78EE0.4080704@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:48:48 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C78F19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO To view the FREE REGENCY ERA BONNET project, simply fill out the form below with your first name, last name and e-mail address. http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=jump/homePageEraBonnet/hpEraBonnetIndex.cfm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 12:02:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QG2HAr030630 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:02:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QG28l4005584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:02:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QG1FqY021390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QG18K1097778; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QG11hD097535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6QG0tMt013511 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:00:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:00:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47868.65.117.156.5.1153929655.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <44C78EE0.4080704@reddawn.net> References: <44C78EE0.4080704@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:00:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:02:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C79200.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And on click further down is a job offer for an instruction writer!!! http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/freelance/freelance.html Here is your opportunity to see what kinds of obsticles you will have to go through just to write something that everyone will understand, not just those with 10th grade reading skills. Chiara On Wed, July 26, 2006 10:48 am, Dawn said: > > > > To view the FREE REGENCY ERA BONNET project, simply fill out > the > form below with your first name, last name and e-mail address. > > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=jump/homePageEraBonnet/hpEraBonnetIndex.cfm > > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 12:27:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGRggB031563 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:27:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QGRa0S029969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:27:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGQp8N025130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGQilu024456; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:26:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGQZLe024210 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16282 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:26:32 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:26:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity Thread-Index: Acawy0X+XAKaVehVT+SpMdUzkew1QwABIbwg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6QGQZLe024210 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C797F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Thanks for the link, Dawn! Hmm--Wonder if Simplicity is going to do Regency-style gown and clothing patterns next? Not a lot of inexpensive, fairly accurate patterns out there. Noted that the far left pic in the trio of styles was taken from Heideloff's Gallery of Fashion so someone has been doing some serious research! Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 12:37:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGbRAF031791 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:37:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QGbLwS008813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:37:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGaMDv026382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGa1aC033966; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGZrAq033673 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2006 17:35:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAE02x0SBT4hu Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:3521 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G5mLk-000A2q-Pa for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:35:08 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726173337.024f3af0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:35:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:37:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C79A41.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 17:26 26/07/2006, you wrote: > Thanks for the link, Dawn! Hmm--Wonder if Simplicity is going to do >Regency-style gown and clothing patterns next? Not a lot of inexpensive, >fairly accurate patterns out there. Noted that the far left pic in the >trio of styles was taken from Heideloff's Gallery of Fashion so someone >has been doing some serious research! Simplicity has taken up two of the Sense and Sensibility Patterns by Jennie Chancey, a gown set and an underthings set. These were available from July 21st. The numbers are #4055 and #4052. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 12:42:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGg6IB031919 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QGg0qi011203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGfJ4E027151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGf7u7039471; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGenZF039084 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4E3A6D1D for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:40:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C79B0E.4020604@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:40:46 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:42:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C79B58.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Abel, Cynthia wrote: > Thanks for the link, Dawn! Hmm--Wonder if Simplicity is going to do > Regency-style gown and clothing patterns next? Not a lot of inexpensive, > fairly accurate patterns out there. Noted that the far left pic in the > trio of styles was taken from Heideloff's Gallery of Fashion so someone > has been doing some serious research! > They've got a dress and shift in their fall lineup. Look up 4052 and 4055. I'm guessing they glommed onto last year's version of _Pride and Prejudice_. And on a completely different subject, the stuffed dragons in 4063 are totally cute! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 12:55:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGtGFV032081 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:55:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QGtA0d020057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:55:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGsZMg028939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:54:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGsVtT052974; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:54:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QGsLvS052699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1G5meG-0003bZ-3o; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:54:16 -0500 Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:54:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20060726125416.9ohltgs81s0g4o8c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:54:16 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726173337.024f3af0@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726173337.024f3af0@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:55:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C79E6E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO There's a men's "Renaissance" 4059 Is that Long Thing (tm) supposed to be an Elizabethan Skirted Doublet? It *does* have a waist seam ..... Really bizarre ..... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 13:17:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QHHpHZ032372 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:17:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QHHkYY027860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:17:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QHH2kc032183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QHGxWU075377; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QHGsK7075219 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6B0A6E7F for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:16:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44C7A383.2040603@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:16:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060726173337.024f3af0@suziclarke.co.uk> <20060726125416.9ohltgs81s0g4o8c@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20060726125416.9ohltgs81s0g4o8c@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:17:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C7A3BA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > There's a men's "Renaissance" 4059 > > Is that Long Thing (tm) supposed to be an Elizabethan Skirted Doublet? > It *does* have a waist seam ..... Really bizarre ..... > It reminds me more of an early Tudor doublet. Or maybe the cuffs and breeches are supposed to be baroque. Either way, I agree it looks odd. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 14:32:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIWofk001884 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:32:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QIWiZ2008946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:32:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIVfFJ043690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:31:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIVWHI049377; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIVRKn049237 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k6QIVLB06524 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:31:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v750) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <940901A5-AE1B-4B97-94DB-D4D9D7A09778@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:31:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.750) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:32:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C7B54C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO My 10 year old daughter caught on of the actors wearing wire rimmed glasses. I couldn't finish the show because of being so bad. Even on a budget, they could have done far better. At least they could have chosen one time period to portray. Ouch! Althea On Jul 26, 2006, at 7:18 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:20:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > cathy@thyrsus.com writes: > > I saw on the History Channel their show of "REAL Pirates of the > Caribbean". > The info was all very interesting but the costumes in the rather > extensive > re-enactments were more than pitiful! High School theatre > departments could > have done better! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 14:38:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIcibr002324 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:38:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QIcdSh011163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:38:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIc50k044890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIc00r055095; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIbi4M054669 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3c5.67a0561 (63000) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <3c5.67a0561.31f91061@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:37:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:38:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C7B6AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:39:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Simplicity has taken up two of the Sense and Sensibility Patterns by Jennie Chancey, a gown set and an underthings set. These were available from July 21st. The numbers are #4055 and #4052. That is interesting. I always thought those patterns were acceptable, if not top notch. She says these patterns are not exactly what she has been selling, so I look forward to examining them. It is high time there was something mass produced for the average sewer. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 14:48:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QImFU1003131 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:48:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QIm9JZ013707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:48:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIlUiI046680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:47:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIlRHg064367; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QIlMrj064205 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.528.4936dcc (63000) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <528.4936dcc.31f912b0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:47:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:48:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C7B8E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 12:27:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu writes: Noted that the far left pic in the trio of styles was taken from Heideloff's Gallery of Fashion so someone has been doing some serious research! Well, both Heideloff's Gallery and Madame Seriziat, whose portrait is shown, are a tad earlier than what I think of as the Regency period, even by extension. Madame Seriziat was painted in 1795, even early if you argue for the date that Jane Austen began "Pride and Prejudice." Ann _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 15:22:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJMRtV005809 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:22:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QJMLI7011495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJLRuV054084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:21:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJLG99095952; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJLCuV095879 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:21:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so808489pye for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=B4QMjx0HxTbrdWyKk3xZ5w5kF5Y/wPlRqJ6yfHGyTsyaHnOZH0tPQWcvGFYBh5whrT9V2VaAg8MfMDXDtdUquUUmJGSW+hIdZNwP0apM3+ym3YrE968NsQn3O+kdX1if7U5CqcmXbBVb8nwo9fiw4VPJ7JqNJJSvovLgfr1eu1w= Received: by 10.35.78.13 with SMTP id f13mr11764564pyl; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:21:12 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: NSDM link on your website (was: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet...) 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Status: RO Dawn, FYI, saw your note & remembered that I should mention the NSDM game link for Gencon is broken on your http://www.nsdmg.org/ website. Was hoping to see you at the con since we've never met in person. I'm working the dealer's room at the Lone Wolf (Army Builder) booth. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:48:48 -0500 From: Dawn Subject: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <44C78EE0.4080704@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed To view the FREE REGENCY ERA BONNET project, simply fill out the form below with your first name, last name and e-mail address. http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=jump/homePageEraBonnet/hpEraBonnetIndex.cfm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 15:23:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJNimS005893 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QJNcZZ012271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJN6UI054386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJN55I097565; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJMxv8097462 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:23:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x29so881536nfb for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BcUulwwqSNbFwuEpifxNMUyejM674Hwz20C5OG6ALjyZ1kWsNCKwrRlyHsoJfHfU+WXz4zRyBqMJe8VcjNW6eLbr3EBeNHUEQ5BqtyingJzj5KaeEfyP/ORhfX+QGAvQ6xdD2QrnXCv5qcoHXxC2O3yhwv54UhY/e2S1aGd4NIY= Received: by 10.49.5.12 with SMTP id h12mr1057084nfi; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:22:57 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: NSDM link on your website -- OOPS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C7C13A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sorry 'bout that ladies & gents. T'was just a little off topic! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com On 7/26/06, Cin wrote: > Dawn, > FYI, saw your note & remembered that I should mention the NSDM game > link for Gencon is broken on your http://www.nsdmg.org/ website. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 15:39:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJdEEY006873 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:39:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QJd8j4013800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:39:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJcM46057538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:38:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJcFFQ011806; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJc9dK011701 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.6.14]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060726193807.EMOZ27612.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:38:07 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20060726153149.00be1c70@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:37:37 -0400 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Dawn Luckham Subject: [h-cost] invisible zip (ok, not v. historic!) 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Status: RO [Ack - I just put in an invisible zip in a very non-historic dress but the tab at the top is a) the wrong colour and b) hanging out.... Any suggestions? (polite ones thank you). No sign of zips this colour in the locale so] I have had success using model paint enamel to paint the zipper pulls. This is the paint that is sold to paint the car, boat and airplane models sold to little boys and hobbyists. Two or three colours can be mixed to find an exact match to your fabric. Try a test swatch to make sure the paint doesn't change colour as it dries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 15:54:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJsFAH007115 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:54:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QJs9E3024048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJrPHj060351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJrM6n026560; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QJrG5O026397 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 13:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FAB73C914 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:53:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:53:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C7C861.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought the pattern was a rendition of the wedding dress and realized that it is the golden dress from PoC1 that they are trying to mimic. pattern 4092 http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?cat=4&type=19&sec=45&startrow=1 Golden gown http://www.willofasparrow.com/files/escstm.html# by the way Simplicity has new pattern out. One is there rendition of Regency style dress. McCall's has some new ones too. De -----Original Message----- For Pirates of the Carribean 2, Simplicity Patterns has a rough approximation of Keira Knightly's wedding dress Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 16:03:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QK3raY007317 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:03:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QK3l9S027904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:03:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QK38QO062235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:03:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QK37qo036384; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mail.marz.com [216.106.88.97] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QK2wQ4036214 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 46B1F3C6F7 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:02:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnetpattern from Simplicity Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:03:01 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <44C7A383.2040603@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:03:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C7CAA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Interesting hat. It looks like the model is trying to be Christopher Colombus. De -----Original Message----- Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > There's a men's "Renaissance" 4059 > > Is that Long Thing (tm) supposed to be an Elizabethan Skirted Doublet? > It *does* have a waist seam ..... Really bizarre ..... > It reminds me more of an early Tudor doublet. Or maybe the cuffs and breeches are supposed to be baroque. Either way, I agree it looks odd. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 17:28:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLSnQ7009084 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:28:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QLShZr031954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:28:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLS5be076175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLS2EE012819; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6QLRxVk012676 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:28:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51836 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 21:27:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LytmqLYWUyahfVgKiMWaKoHl04Ho36n+orNKq33FkpH2DMn/ehfujeBNdJpOPoRZUL3XZd0SEsOt4eV66axr/0XNZavqljJywXbIr+6jo2EjhEIOT7SpSB38mgMH8O+RhHrusYOn1WzIcRwmZkqha6L2DHpo+VaGitFO+HxKZEw= ; Message-ID: <20060726212753.51834.qmail@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:27:53 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <44C7A383.2040603@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:28:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C7DE8B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Eeew, that isn't Tudor. Men's skirts for a Tudor outfit has pleats, and the pants are too long. And that hat is huge! It reminds me more of their old Ben Franklin outfit, sorta, in the body, but that hat has got to go. Kimiko Dawn wrote: Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > There's a men's "Renaissance" 4059 > > Is that Long Thing (tm) supposed to be an Elizabethan Skirted Doublet? > It *does* have a waist seam ..... Really bizarre ..... > It reminds me more of an early Tudor doublet. Or maybe the cuffs and breeches are supposed to be baroque. Either way, I agree it looks odd. Dawn --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 17:32:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLWROe009199 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:32:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QLWKAG029155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLVZeM076604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLVZc5015804; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLVVvv015746 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11261 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:31:30 -0500 (CDT) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity Thread-Index: Acaw5B71uSM1a7LXQGegsURs3EjuXAAFHlOA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k6QLVVvv015746 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:32:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C7DF65.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Yes, I noticed that right off. And said to myself that the Heideloff plate and Seriziat portrait are way too early for Regency. Well, unless one is dressing as Jane Austen's mom! And Mamma Austen would probably not have been caught dead in any of the three "bonnets" shown. I suggested to Dover Publications a few years' back when the craze for all things Jane Austen was at its height that they might want to consider publishing a selection of plates from "The Gallery of Fashion" due to its rarity, beauty, and the general ignorance of fashion development between 1785 and 1805. A good deal of that time being passed over, just like the fashions of World War I, is that they are seen as transitional and awkward to modern eyes. I think often that 1790-1810 fashions are just all grouped under Regency, just because the general public is supposedly too dumb to know what Revolutionary, Directorie, or Empire fashion is. I can hear the pitch now: "Hey, just group it all under Regency, because enough people will think "Regency Novel" or Jane Austen or something if they are sophisticated enough to know what Regency roughly means." And snickers from us who know that "Regency" is 1810-1820 strictly speaking. Or might even ask which "Regency" Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 17:35:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLZpM5009304 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:35:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QLZjkC011176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:35:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLZ713077058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLZ6Cg018687; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QLZ1xw018564 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.51c.44eb419 (48576) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <51c.44eb419.31f939f6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:34:46 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pirates otC dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:35:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C7E031.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 2:32:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, althea@alfalfapress.com writes: Even on a budget, they could have done far better. *************** Indeed. The entire show revolved and was mostly taken up with lousy reenactments. If you don't have the money for reenactments, don't depend on them so heavily. I mean, Ken Burns did 15 episodes covering the entire Am. Civil War without a single reenactment! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 18:53:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QMrgka010718 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:53:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QMrbhT027951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QMqxf4086676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QMqoPU080952; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6QMqlxu080869 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:52:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15357 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2006 22:52:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LfnGhbBLDjBlel8OzakNPQcWHebmtQR571sontBQnYTEXoxyRPSmyTo7t+g5+2sj95dDTgQxobn3rKKab0SWD+tjjXKy3as+winwrdfgqVMNeK79lH4qWsMZaXVQffwf4QWQkytgsrc+ngFtRZ1XhrErouin72B9Ib114pXpIak= ; Message-ID: <20060726225242.15355.qmail@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:52:42 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:52:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] pourpoint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C7F271.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi there, does anybody know a book or web page or anything where I can find some info on making (drafting a pattern and instructions on sewing) a medieval pourpoint? Thanks:-) Zuzana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 19:09:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QN96bB010950 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:09:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QN8wbj006884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QN8M87088631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QN8LYs091743; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QN8GRm091675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (wllstn-cuda2-24-53-127-86.sbtnvt.adelphia.net [24.53.127.86]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6QN7arg009867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:08:14 -0400 Message-ID: <44C7F489.7050300@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:02:33 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: <44C78EE0.4080704@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <44C78EE0.4080704@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:09:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C7F60A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO *tsk* *tsk* Oh those "Regency" patterns. Why, oh why, do the commercial patterns insist on making those back curved princess seams when it would be so easy to make the beautiful "diamond back" shape that characterizes this period? And that Short Stays pattern--what are they trying to do--make everyone look as flat-chested as Keira Knightley. Ah well, I'll turn grumble mode off now... - Hope _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 19:19:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNJbvT011064 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:19:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QNJVB0009282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:19:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNJ1eu089752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:19:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNIwK2098878; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:18:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNIrqp098839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.94] (209-148-118-94.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6QNImsW011506 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:18:49 -0700 Message-ID: <44C7F85C.8070305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:18:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:19:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C7F883.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > I think often that 1790-1810 fashions are just all grouped under > Regency, just because the general public is supposedly too dumb to know > what Revolutionary, Directorie, or Empire fashion is. > > I can hear the pitch now: "Hey, just group it all under Regency, because > enough people will think "Regency Novel" or Jane Austen or something if > they are sophisticated enough to know what Regency roughly means." > > And snickers from us who know that "Regency" is 1810-1820 strictly > speaking. Or might even ask which "Regency" I am not a romance fan but: Regency romance novelists do in fact interpret the "Regency" period (sometimes calling it "extended Regency") as roughly 1790 or 1800 up to 1830 or even 1840. That is not because most of them are unaware of the dates when the Prince Regent performed that office, or because they think their readers are ignorant, or because they are trying to deceive them. It's because "Regency romance" is a strictly a marketing label for a specific fiction publishing genre. When readers buy something marketed as a Regency romance, they expect to read a certain kind of novel with certain kinds of characters, plots, settings, etc. They may well know when the actual Regency period was, but in this context they could care less. They're looking for a specific kind of entertainment, not a history lesson. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 19:29:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNTZxA011205 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QNTUtG012003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNSr5W090968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNSpM8005963; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNSk6g005845 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.266.e0b1370 (32913) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <266.e0b1370.31f954a4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:28:36 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5027 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was: free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C7FADA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 7:09:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: making those back curved princess seams when it would be so easy to make the beautiful "diamond back" shape that characterizes this period? Actually, I don't find that egregious. I based my bodice patterns on the extant garment and pattern pieces in Kohler, and that has the curved back seam. The diamond back definitely broadens through the period. The things I want to check out in detail are position of the shoulder seam, distribution of the fullness in the sleeves and, especially, shape of the skirt pieces. (The Butterick pattern a few years ago looked pretty good made up, but when I got the pattern, I discovered that they had evidently just pulled "A-line bridesmaid's skirt" pieces. And, grumble, grumble, how hard is it to make a skirt using more or less straight and slightly gored panels anyway? Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 19:45:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNjNiP011422 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:45:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QNjHeZ006692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:45:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNidfo092735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNic9C016422; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNiVaV016249 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.57b.2134dcd (32913) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:44:17 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <57b.2134dcd.31f95850@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:44:16 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5027 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:45:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C7FE8D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 7:19:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: When readers buy something marketed as a Regency romance, they expect to read a certain kind of novel with certain kinds of characters, plots, settings, etc. They may well know when the actual Regency period was, but in this context they could care less. They're looking for a specific kind of entertainment, not a history lesson That implies, then, that the market for these patterns is readers of Regency romances. But I think it will extend at least to Jane Austen fans, who ought to know what the costume of her era was. (Okay, we can argue as early as the late 1790s, as the latest P & P did, since she actually started writing then.) More broadly, there are reenactors out there who being beginners with perhaps only basic sewing skills, might glom onto these as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I'll reserve judgment on the dress pattern until I've seen it more closely. But if they have plans to market that bonnet, or something like it, well. . . . Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 19:48:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNmbtJ011471 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:48:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QNmVl5032131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:48:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNm07H093152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNlx8V018933; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNlros018781 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2006 00:47:47 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMACabx0SBT4hu Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:4717 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G5t63-000K16-3W for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:47:23 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060727004334.025070d8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:48:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was: free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity In-Reply-To: <266.e0b1370.31f954a4@aol.com> References: <266.e0b1370.31f954a4@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C7FF4F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 00:28 27/07/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 7/26/2006 7:09:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, >hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: > >making those back curved princess seams when it would >be so easy to make the beautiful "diamond back" shape that characterizes >this period? > > >Actually, I don't find that egregious. I based my bodice patterns on the >extant garment and pattern pieces in Kohler, and that has the curved >back seam. I've seen curved backs at this time period, and have no problem with it either. > The diamond back definitely broadens through the period. > >The things I want to check out in detail are position of the shoulder seam, >distribution of the fullness in the sleeves and, especially, shape of the >skirt pieces. (The Butterick pattern a few years ago looked pretty >good made up, > but when I got the pattern, I discovered that they had evidently > just pulled > "A-line bridesmaid's skirt" pieces. And, grumble, grumble, how hard is it >to make a skirt using more or less straight and slightly gored panels anyway? > >Ann Wass I have also recently been researching short stays, and it is all a matter, surely, of the model chosen by the pattern company, who happens to be very slender, and to resemble the bosomless Ms. Knightley. Had they photoed it on a different model, it would have looked different, as that is what corsets do. It is not necessarily the fault of the pattern or the original pattern designer, who would have had very little choice in the marketing strategy. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 19:51:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNpF6u011498 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:51:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6QNp9d5000377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:51:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNocq9093449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNntFn020257; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:50:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6QNnoA7020138 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.3b8.6d3d94f (48552) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:49:38 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <3b8.6d3d94f.31f95992@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:49:38 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:51:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C7FFED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 7:19:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: That is not because most of them are unaware of the dates when the Prince Regent performed that office, or because they think their readers are ignorant, or because they are trying to deceive them. It's because "Regency romance" is a strictly a marketing label for a specific fiction publishing genre. ***************** And indeed, "Regency" as a costume period, is also just a label. What does it mean outside England? The same is true for "Cavalier"...what does that mean outside France....or really even IN France since the word just means "Knight"? Or "Victorian"...which covers umpteen silhouettes and is , again "English". Don't get me started on "Georgian"! All these things are labels for quick general reference. But even when design ing something that need not be accurate to a tee, I want a year, a date. I always asked the Director for one when I did theatre. One does not have to stick to just that year, but it's good to have a cutting off point. And even then, use something close to but beyond the cut off year if it's too good to pass up and looks perfect for the character. For "Pirates of the Caribbean", Ms. Knightly's dresses were lovely indeed but the wrong period. The men were more 1700...17-teens. You say, "It's just a fantasy"? Well yes. But then why go thru all those period underpinnings and stuff from 1770s to create a dress that could also be made in the correct silhouette. I mean, the feeling and air of all her gowns could of be done with a mantua, in a light silk, draped up in the back prettily. Her wedding gown could have been a brocade gown with an encrusted stomacher....of the period. All I'm saying is there are a million ways to do the same dress in just about any period. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 20:09:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R09Cwa011696 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R094WC004611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R08RLo095008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R08Nsr031443; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:08:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R08IJA031399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.94] (209-148-118-94.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6R08HfI025655 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:08:17 -0700 Message-ID: <44C803F4.2060001@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:08:20 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: <57b.2134dcd.31f95850@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <57b.2134dcd.31f95850@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:09:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C80420.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > > That implies, then, that the market for these patterns is readers of Regency > romances. But I think it will extend at least to Jane Austen fans, who > ought to know what the costume of her era was. (Okay, we can argue as early as > the late 1790s, as the latest P & P did, since she actually started writing > then.) A fair number of whom are also Regency romance readers or writers, in a usually vain attempt to read or write something similar. And/or viewers of Jane-Austen-period films. When you market something you need a quick handle for it that most potential buyers will immediately recognize, relate to, and want. "Regency" is probably the best choice of label for the very late 18th and early 19th centuries, though "Jane Austen" might come close. "Regency" has much more marketing clout than something like "Circa 1795." More broadly, there are reenactors out there who being beginners with > perhaps only basic sewing skills, might glom onto these as the greatest thing > since sliced bread. I'll reserve judgment on the dress pattern until I've > seen it more closely. But if they have plans to market that bonnet, or > something like it, well. . . . Simplicity is a huge mainstream fashion company, and they need a much larger market than reenactors alone, or reenactors plus theatrical costumers. They probably also put in a few things like a zipper (though I have not checked) to make those patterns more familiar and "easier" for mainstream sewers. They are in business to give the largest number of people what they want, and the largest number of people are not reenactors. If you want 100% period-accurate patterns targeted specifically to reenactors, you need to look at a pattern company that specializes in patterns just for them. But that is not the business Simplicity is in, and if you expect them to be you will always be dissatisfied with their patterns. Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 21:12:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R1CVC2012735 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:12:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R1COLu027059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:12:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R1BkTR001058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R1BhFV069534; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:11:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R1BbiH069487 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:11:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A170331C0056; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:05:52 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] free Regencybonnetpattern from Simplicity Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:11:42 -0700 Message-ID: <002a01c6b119$9ed1dbd0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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AAACK! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 1:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] free Regencybonnetpattern from Simplicity Interesting hat. It looks like the model is trying to be Christopher Colombus. De -----Original Message----- Susan B. Farmer wrote: > > There's a men's "Renaissance" 4059 > > Is that Long Thing (tm) supposed to be an Elizabethan Skirted Doublet? > It *does* have a waist seam ..... Really bizarre ..... > It reminds me more of an early Tudor doublet. Or maybe the cuffs and breeches are supposed to be baroque. Either way, I agree it looks odd. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 22:00:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R20wLu013379 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:00:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R20qBC012849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:00:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R1xpwn005825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R1xmgP098798; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R0w5fv059555 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:58:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.224.38a4700 (39953) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <224.38a4700.31f96990@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:57:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simpl... 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Status: RO Sorry to respond to my own post, but I should add that I am sometimes called upon to give costume advice to new early 19th century reenactors (Americans in the War of 1812, mostly), and I continue to look for really decent patterns that people with only modest sewing skills can use. And that lets out some of the specialty pattern companies. Ever since Simplicity did American Civil War, and is now in process with the American Revolution, I've had hopes for the early 19th century. I'm not sure this line is as carefully researched as those other two, though. Of course, the other task is guiding my newbies to the right fabrics, but that is another discussion. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 22:02:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R22xr2013400 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:02:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R22rQn005957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:02:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R22P56006116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:02:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R22PsT000449; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep03.xtra.co.nz (fep03.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R22MlH000376 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.176.167]) by fep03.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060727020215.BVQJ5275.fep03.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:02:15 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.4/401]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:02:20 +1200 Message-ID: <007501c6b120$b1917e90$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002a01c6b119$9ed1dbd0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] freeRegencybonnetpattern from Simplicity Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:02:18 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:02:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C81ECD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > I love the "Authentic" renaissance costume, which has "curved" bodice seams. > AAACK! What style? What part of the renaissance? What pattern? I can't see any Simplicity "renaisance" pattern claiming to be authentic. The one under "Historical" 4508? I think they are going for a Jacobean and a Spanish court flavour for those.... Doublet bodices of the late 16thC can have curved seams, it means you can get a bodice to fit right up to the neck without distorting the centre front line. http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm in there is a link to a jerkin on the Met Muesum site, it has curved front and back seams. Not all curved seams are created equal! The shapes on the Simplicity patterns would need to be tweaked to make them "better" though. Well they'd need to be completely redrafted for me even if I were to use it as a quickie costume pattern... but that's a whole other rant. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 26/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jul 26 22:18:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R2ITYr013589 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:18:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R2INHT008871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:18:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R2HagH007963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R2HZQL009738; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:17:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R2HWdr009703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.13] (209-148-118-13.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.13]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6R2HTLe000843 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:29 -0700 Message-ID: <44C8223C.4080801@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simpl... 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Status: RO You could always teach them more advanced sewing skills. Fran AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Sorry to respond to my own post, but I should add that I am sometimes called > upon to give costume advice to new early 19th century reenactors (Americans > in the War of 1812, mostly), and I continue to look for really decent > patterns that people with only modest sewing skills can use. And that lets out some > of the specialty pattern companies. Ever since Simplicity did American > Civil War, and is now in process with the American Revolution, I've had hopes for > the early 19th century. I'm not sure this line is as carefully researched > as those other two, though. > > Of course, the other task is guiding my newbies to the right fabrics, but > that is another discussion. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 01:10:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R5A72m015614 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:10:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R5A15F024534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:10:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R59JFa025142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:09:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R59EWu006646; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R59Aps006570 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.361.921c3f0 (39331) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <361.921c3f0.31f9a46f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:09:03 EDT Subject: Re: new Simplicity Patterns (was RE: [h-cost] freeRegencybonnetpattern from S... 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 10:07:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, thebruce@ihug.co.nz writes: http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm in there is a link to a jerkin on the Met Muesum site, it has curved front and back seams. *************** Uh...they look straight to me....... I see the curve of the body which the seam is going around at a diagonal but the seams for all practical purposes look straight. When I made some doublets patterned using Janet Arnold, I left out the [modern] side underarm seams that would have made it easier to fit [That's for sure!] and, like in the real garments, the 1st seam from the CF was the side back seam, which was straight, and went from the armseye diagonally to the waist a few inches from CB. On a person, these too seemed to curve slightly because of the diagonal going around the body. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 01:15:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R5FC9k015676 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:15:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R5F691024152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R5EV8Z025750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R5ETGN009746; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R5EQST009659 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2e0.166af300 (39331) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2e0.166af300.31f9a5ab@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:14:19 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simpl... 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/26/2006 10:19:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: You could always teach them more advanced sewing skills. ***************** Fran...get on with your bad self! I don't see how a Regency dress would stump a home sewer unless it was a bib front dress or something like that. The shoulder seams may not be on top of the shoulder like modern clothes and the side back seams may curve to within an inch of CB but they still are just seams and can sewn just like modern cl othes. The placement is a little off from modern patterns but they aren't unfathomable. Now fitting may take some rethinking.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 02:12:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6CTEi020712 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:12:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R6CN34022363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:12:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6BpGZ030547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6Bm9o039396; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6Bh2K039352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.151] (209-148-118-151.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k6R6Bgv3009691 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:11:43 -0700 Message-ID: <44C85922.4080203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:11:46 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simpl... 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Status: RO > > Fran...get on with your bad self! > > I don't see how a Regency dress would stump a home sewer unless it was a bib > front dress or something like that. The shoulder seams may not be on top of > the shoulder like modern clothes and the side back seams may curve to within > an inch of CB but they still are just seams and can sewn just like modern cl > othes. The placement is a little off from modern patterns but they aren't > unfathomable. > Now fitting may take some rethinking.... Well actually, I think women's "real" Regency is one of the easiest historic periods to sew, and not that hard to fit either. It's also comfortable to wear, it looks good on almost everyone, and it's often fairly inexpensive to make. I can't see anything presenting problems for a beginning sewer except a tailored riding habit. 1920s is another really easy period to sew, but on many people the styles have an unfortunate tendency to cling to the abdomen, hips, and/or behind. Medieval T-tunic styles are also easy. If I were to recommend that someone start to learn historic sewing going by what's easy to sew, I'd recommend one of those three eras. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 02:53:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6rpnd004006 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:53:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R6rhPu013867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:53:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6r9Lk035255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:53:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6qcMN060970; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz (fep06.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.240]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R6qWg1060872 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:52:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([219.89.176.167]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060727065225.DVCB29309.fep06.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:52:25 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.4/401]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:52:31 +1200 Message-ID: <008701c6b149$3b8022a0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <361.921c3f0.31f9a46f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:52:30 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=64% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] curved seams Re: new Simplicity Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:53:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C862F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >> http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm in there is a link to a >> jerkin on the Met Muesum site, it has curved front and back seams. > Uh...they look straight to me....... Uhhh... If you have the pattern, you will see they are not.;) Blanche Payne History of Costume 1st ed. And I also need to add here I meant *side* front and *side* back seams (in context it made sense, but just in case....) > I see the curve of the body which the seam is going around at a diagonal but > the seams for all practical purposes look straight. The curves aren't even the same shape when you see the pattern, the side of the centre front panels are a slightly shallower curve than the side of the side pieces. those side pieces also are actual side pieces, meaning they go right around to the side back Bugger. I have seen indications of that side front line in a pattern, but it's not Alcega. It may be Burguen. There is, reproduced on page 8 of PoF plate 36. http://www.vertetsable.com/research_b181.htm That is close to where the seams of this jerkin lie, but they are curved to allow the centre front seam be as straight as it can be, even then it's slightly curved. The ends of the seams don't lie so close to the point though. The side back curve of the front panel is close to the jerkin pattern as well. It's just a little more clearly shaped to the original wearer. The side of the back panels are also slightly more curved than the diagram above, though they are even more subtle than the front curves. A gentle curve can help acheive a slightly smoother fit as it gives just that little bit of stretch. Of course it's probably more noticeable in hand sewn garments. I noticed it more while pinning than once I'd used my machine. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/401 - Release Date: 26/07/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 03:19:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R7JoOb010364 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:19:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R7Ji4G001781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:19:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R7JBc3038246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:19:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R7J886076708; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R7J47G076633 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 01:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A3D033EB0 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:19:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:19:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <002a01c6b119$9ed1dbd0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: new Simplicity Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C86910.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This is Simplicity. Where under the Victorian,Vintage, Undies section they have a 1700s style dress pattern ([sarcasm]wow, I knew Victoria lived a long life but not that long). The catagory "Historical" does not necessarilly mean "authentic" but that it is of a "historic" design. De -----Original Message----- I love the "Authentic" renaissance costume, which has "curved" bodice seams. AAACK! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 04:12:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R8C4f6015629 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:12:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R8Bwm8023539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R8BFao043068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R8BBoH002889; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R8B75Q002854 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:11:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.7341098; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:10:47 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k6R8AlW08637.; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:10:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:10:46 +0100 Message-Id: <44C8830602000014000BC29E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:10:30 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity References: <3b8.6d3d94f.31f95992@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3b8.6d3d94f.31f95992@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:12:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C8754E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I thought "Cavalier" referred to the " English" Civil War (though reenactors of that period prefer to speak of Royalist/Parliamentarian rather than Cavalier/Roundhead). The French word for "knight" is "chevalier", though IIRC "cavalier" means "rider". Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> 27/07/2006 00:49 >>>wrote: And indeed, "Regency" as a costume period, is also just a label. What does it mean outside England? The same is true for "Cavalier"...what does that mean outside France....or really even IN France since the word just means "Knight"? Or "Victorian"...which covers umpteen silhouettes and is , again "English". Don't get me started on "Georgian"! ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 05:28:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R9SL2n000800 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:28:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6R9SFll011296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:28:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R9RfSp048908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R9Rchp039354; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6R9RWQ4039288 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 03:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.413.7938c78 (48600) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <413.7938c78.31f9e0fa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 05:27:22 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet pattern from Simpl... 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2006 1:14:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: You could always teach them more advanced sewing skills. In what abundant spare time????? I've taught sewing and flat pattern before, over a series of weeks (and gotten paid for it). I'm lucky to be able to squeeze in a two or three hour single session once in a while right now. And this is usually on a volunteer basis. Someone was offering a class at G Street a while back in which she would guide people through a period costume, but even then, you need a pattern to work with. Hmmm, maybe I ought to suggest they offer that class again, and I can refer people to it. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 10:45:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6REjwOm029548 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:45:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6REjqwi006887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6REj6sj099310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6REix0N036788; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:45:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6REitWP036622 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id 6.2d3.c2cc44e (65097) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2d3.c2cc44e.31fa2b5b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:44:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] free Regency bonnet pattern from Simplicity To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5319 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:45:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C8D1A0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2006 4:12:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, K.M.Bunting@derby.ac.uk writes: The French word for "knight" is "chevalier", though IIRC "cavalier" means "rider". Ooops...I knew that but....well, I don't speak French. I get similar words mixed up. And the period "Cavalier" to me always seems French. I never think of it as English. Maybe the combination of Cromwell in England [not a place to look for "fashion"] and the Dumas novels steer me there. Of course it makes sense for these period labels to refer to English history when we're talking English speaking people...even in the US, up until our independence... and beyond since we were still influenced so much by them. [and of course because Victorian Englishmen was everywhere!] Indeed, we think of "fashion" in western terms [you may thank me now for stating the obvious] but what's going on in Japan??? It's interesting how much influence China and the Orient have on western "fashion" [silk.... fer Christ sake!], but they usually get a passing nod and mention in history of fashion class [probably because there's so much to cover]. And what about Africa? Egypt is in Africa, y'know. The Moors were in Spain, but that influence doesn't seem to spread like wildfire. Perhaps the nature of the Church there was the hindrance. But West African clothes are beautiful and exotic, And extremely comfortable, as MC Hammer found out in the early 80s..... OK...I'm rambling. So many subjects....so little time.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 12:43:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RGhSXF032662 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RGhMSL019084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:43:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RGgZuR017225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:42:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RGgPai047526; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6RGgKKS047332 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:42:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55504 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 16:42:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IpJscznlio3UEdoKaYgSWGOHd6fI1FGHAgj9Fn+zy710HqpfIurdGFoRNkv7BRMZlej1pc/KUIbQ/8azv17zRQrIXpRaetmD2e4D+MET89x3dX98dcRRsTD7zGqlmRtgsdUowG9H4OQRMU9a9TraSZy87CrltlnllmhB+UdEQMo= ; Message-ID: <20060727164213.55502.qmail@web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30110.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:42:13 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:42:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607261530.k6QFTtQK062840@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:History Channel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C8ED2A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hey, don't blame reenactors for these. ("Revolutionary War/Pirates)!!! The history Channel is taking a big beating on the reenactor lists for these two offering in particular... I watched the pirates. every blessed pirate has a fake irish accent, including the ones from the Carolinas!!, AND the entire british navy has that same accent. the costumes fall into that generic time period of "YORE" It make it hard to get beyond that and find something that's worthwhile in the show Now i know that I'm a bit pickier that the run of the mill folks when it comes to accuracy, but I love Pyrates of the Carribean and thought the costuming added, rather than detracted, even though it was not 100% accurate. I can't watch the revolution either, it's to too boring, and I really like that period. Many of the extras are people I know or at least recognize. I also recognize some of the principal actors costumes, they are rented from folks I know....but the wigs!!! Someone said the actors look like they have badgers on their heads, that is in many cases complementary.... It saddens me that things like this get promoted as "Grade A" work...NEW REFRESHING EXCITING. and it's just not. The potential for good costumes and interesting writing and accurate history exists. and most people would be glad to lend their knowledge. It doesn't cost more to do it right. But we've all ranted in this fashion before, it's just my particular hobby horse... Enough ranting from 18th C Mia in Charlotte, NC --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 12:44:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RGiKG6032676 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RGiEXq004977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RGhgF8017382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:43:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RGhbdS048652; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:43:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.241]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6RGhV00048466 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 73783 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 16:43:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=rTUKARzdMBIhs6/kK+4MvgYglhNg7j5uzaA+hu9AIzXROIan5xHtSGCblpLukfDJPFuF4DbG+4BrQ8LgFPsxCnPOqowZa8LP7zRxI9U8cho2pZ80QqlOpGYMWs7LBNMhc1ljdvOH4s5h5/71dFz3HeDV4OSO9fxrDh2i8bQEDzs= ; Message-ID: <20060727164318.73781.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:43:18 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:43:18 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make to wear in the heat? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:44:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C8ED5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO OK, this is not /strictly/ historic - although I could argue they're 'traditional' ;-) Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they had purchased perhaps on holiday. The thing I'm a bit unclear on is how the ties work around the waist, to hold them up and fit them at the waist: the Burda pattern is a bit tailored whereas the originals are 'free-size'. I found a few references on the web, in case you've no idea what I'm talking about. http://www.thiptop.co.uk/index.php?page=trousers-split http://www.thaicraftwarehouse.com/tcwProduct.php?fashid=9329 Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 13:16:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHG0ie000738 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:16:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RHFssl022415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:15:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHFBBt021633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:15:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHEk39078900; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHEWFe078675 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.18]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20060727171431.NESX10262.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:14:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: Sheridan To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make to wear in the heat? Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:14:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20060727171431.NESX10262.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C8F4CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have a pattern draft for a pair of these that I can scan and send you - they are a very simple thing. Many moons ago I had a pair of these in a lovely black rayon with giant bannanas printed on them. Very chic. :-) Email me off list if you are interested. Sheridan P. > > From: katherine sanders > Date: 2006/07/27 Thu PM 12:43:18 EST > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make to > wear in the heat? > > OK, this is not /strictly/ historic - although I could argue they're 'traditional' ;-) > > Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they had purchased perhaps on holiday. > > The thing I'm a bit unclear on is how the ties work around the waist, to hold them up and fit them at the waist: the Burda pattern is a bit tailored whereas the originals are 'free-size'. I found a few references on the web, in case you've no idea what I'm talking about. > > http://www.thiptop.co.uk/index.php?page=trousers-split > http://www.thaicraftwarehouse.com/tcwProduct.php?fashid=9329 > > Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? > > Katherine > > "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will > annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 13:28:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHSKGc000975 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:28:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RHSER1006034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:28:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHRWK1023916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHQ5LJ090419; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHOP1D088689 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:24:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.107.112.172]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2006 18:24:16 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMAGKSyESBT4hx Received: from 88-107-112-172.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.172]:1061 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G69aq-000G4H-8O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:24:16 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060727181915.024aa090@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:24:16 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make to wear in the heat? 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Status: RO At 17:43 27/07/2006, you wrote: >OK, this is not /strictly/ historic - although I could argue they're >'traditional' ;-) > >Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like >traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the >outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and >wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they >had purchased perhaps on holiday. > >The thing I'm a bit unclear on is how the ties work around the >waist, to hold them up and fit them at the waist: the Burda pattern >is a bit tailored whereas the originals are 'free-size'. I found a >few references on the web, in case you've no idea what I'm talking about. > >http://www.thiptop.co.uk/index.php?page=trousers-split >http://www.thaicraftwarehouse.com/tcwProduct.php?fashid=9329 > >Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably >toasty weather? > >Katherine Folkwear have re-published their pattern for these kinds of trousers. They are simply the front and back of a pair of very wide-legged trousers, joined at the crotch and inside legs only. You then take the back part, and tie them round the front - I actually use hooks and eyes here. Pick up the front part and tie them at the back, overlapping the back at the sides. (You can do this the other way around - I find this way easiest.) I made my pair from an old pair of trousers, and just widened the side seams, but I went a bit too far, and even on me, an English size 24 there is too much fabric in the legs! 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Status: RO http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/13/1089694357136.html?from=storyrh s anybody we know going to this? 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/27/2006 12:44:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: It saddens me that things like this get promoted as "Grade A" work...NEW REFRESHING EXCITING. and it's just not. The potential for good costumes and interesting writing and accurate history exists. And that is the issue, I think. The War of 1812 production on the History Channel was a little disappointing, too--not really awful, but just not as good as I was expecting. With the resources of the History Channel, and the Ph.D. historian consultants they tout, and of course their advertising, we expect everything to be top notch! 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Status: RO If the date is correct, it's already happened. Must have been fascinating, though. Like going to a museum where you can touch. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Marshall Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:15 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Theatre sale in Australia http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/13/1089694357136.html?from=storyrh s anybody we know going to this? 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Status: RO I make baggy pants like the 2nd pattern offered, and I love them. I get to buy wild fabric and wear it almost immediately, as I make them with no side seam, just the crotch and center seams. Better than a tablecloth, which is what I did with wild fabric in the past. Also extremely comfortable. I put elastic in mine, but my daughter prefers a drawstring. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Marshall Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:22 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you maketowear in the heat? This might help a bit.. http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/008262.html -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of katherine sanders Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make towear in the heat? OK, this is not /strictly/ historic - although I could argue they're 'traditional' ;-) Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they had purchased perhaps on holiday. The thing I'm a bit unclear on is how the ties work around the waist, to hold them up and fit them at the waist: the Burda pattern is a bit tailored whereas the originals are 'free-size'. I found a few references on the web, in case you've no idea what I'm talking about. http://www.thiptop.co.uk/index.php?page=trousers-split http://www.thaicraftwarehouse.com/tcwProduct.php?fashid=9329 Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 16:30:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RKUEP4004155 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:30:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RKU89w003037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:30:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RKThvV052796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RKTeLJ064859; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:29:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net (mail2.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RHXWNC097917 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from natalieae@voyager.net) Received: from wks013lnng (brick.voyager.net [209.153.128.248]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id k6RHXLfN081880 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016d01c6b1a2$c14e24a0$220310ac@wks013lnng> From: "Natalie" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060727164318.73781.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060727181915.024aa090@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do youmake to wear in the heat? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k6RKUEP4004155 Status: RO I have seen it done also where people have sort of extended the bottom hem of the pants to make ties at the ankles so that the legs don't flap open or get in the way. Natalie >Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like >traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the >outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and >wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they >had purchased perhaps on holiday. Folkwear have re-published their pattern for these kinds of trousers. They are simply the front and back of a pair of very wide-legged trousers, joined at the crotch and inside legs only. You then take the back part, and tie them round the front - I actually use hooks and eyes here. Pick up the front part and tie them at the back, overlapping the back at the sides. (You can do this the other way around - I find this way easiest.) I made my pair from an old pair of trousers, and just widened the side seams, but I went a bit too far, and even on me, an English size 24 there is too much fabric in the legs! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 16:33:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RKXOUK004217 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:33:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RKXII3016150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:33:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RKWYrM053451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RKWTj9067559; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:32:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.93]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6RIu032079296 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18053 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 18:55:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p96Kq9aSIisgkiD8qt9pwp8OGak3ODvCaCHFDPbBPgrpC3x1mZ8H0n2Qpic7qmYwwYNnY1oK5085rZgRfFt/ZI9jX5tuTEbae5Cz1nkLvqvxNlrfW2Da+ldE4UrXJ9lL3uWUM0QAIjztgBJwEPNpEvXfTJtXTIP0TEfsjzXyoJU= ; Message-ID: <20060727185553.18051.qmail@web39509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.54.92.50] by web39509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:55:53 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity Regency Patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:33:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C9230E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Okay, I'll pipe in... I actually walked a group of Ann's volunteers through a patterning class about two years ago - to make a custom pattern with that diamond back. Lots of research before hand, and started with a sloper. I found it easy to do and my mock up was great - the down side was that as much as these people wanted to learn, many lacked the sewing skills to do it. I do own the S&S patterns, although I tend to buy these (and the historically accurate patterns) and then use them as jumping points to recreate originals. I have a feeling that if there were tutorials out there on how to adjust your Simplicity Regency patterns to make a diamond back that people would use them. Until then, most will just go the easiest route, and aside from the expensive but well researched Past Patterns dress, most will just make this one.... Sarah Nucci --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 17:41:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RLfKvK005627 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:41:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RLfEXe000853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:41:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RLeEde062476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:40:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RLe1Ph026524; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:40:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6RLdu8L026348 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katherinejsanders@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 28702 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 21:39:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LeytTr582vPJATYI5SaWke5f+iqYaD/dRNtkh87G7dnY0FOJ/zWOMq3M5zIxvktfIo3P9qsUZJn6B3aBUBm9vmetvhY3zHjfVaJH3GqWSQXv9pV6sFz56y4940KSmmX1ddtvfObFIXm6/yf/Ve/Yj/n+oJX0VJ2z/mhhipKYy5s= ; Message-ID: <20060727213950.28700.qmail@web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.155.204.82] by web25708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:50 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:50 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607272031.k6RKUWrJ065701@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT Thai Fisherman trousers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C932FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Email me off list if you are interested. >Sheridan P. Thanks - will do! >They are simply the front and back of a pair of very wide-legged trousers, joined at the crotch and >inside legs only. You then take the back part, and tie them round the front - I actually use hooks and eyes >here. Pick up the front part and tie them at the back, overlapping the back at the sides. (You can do this the >other way around - I find this way easiest.) >Suzi That explains everything - thanks again! I'm going to find some cheapo stuff to practice on and some nice linen to make smarter ones... >I have seen it done also where people have sort of extended the bottom hem of the pants to make ties at the >ankles so that the legs don't flap open or get in the way. >Natalie Now there's a thought! Can immediately think of /several/ situations where my Scottish pale-blue thigh would not be an appropriate thing to flash.... Thanks to all for your help, amazingly useful and informative as always. I know it's quite cheap to buy them but that feels like a bit of a cop out, somehow! Katherine (in front of a fan with feet in a basin of cold water. ohhhhh that's better...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 18:07:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RM7SR0006043 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:07:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RM7Mnn003175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:07:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RM6qaL065640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RM6j6u049217; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RM6Yjr049067 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so366105pyg for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Qx+MY7UoHK++EqRWJWTCLu1YmHVPEd5uc9KRZXsBO4yVkUWu6eddniENMbxSRhmwcVUCgwojSdQnYHIJRgSgJglTrdO7Y4R3YtgS72z85kDsVuZ0Im1FzBrwMaXfOOj4LBLp2jinO6s0LCewyKPalXt0xBrjG8T0pTg4iYQz9iE= Received: by 10.35.41.14 with SMTP id t14mr13759971pyj; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:06:24 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] pourpoint MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:07:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C9391A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >Hi there, > does anybody know a book or web page or anything where I can find some info >on making (drafting a pattern and instructions on sewing) a medieval pourpoint? >Thanks:-) Zuzana, The only one I know of is Jeanne d'Arc, ses costumes, son armeur by A. Harmand, circa 1928 IIRC. The pictures in the book are straight from the BNF and very very good tho in B/W. The Musee de Tissue, Lyon France has several articles on the de Blois pourpoint. You can purchase copies. Of course, none of these sources are useful if you dont read modern French. Harmand's research is very early in the field of costume and makes quite a few assumptions that modern researchers wouldnt. Her quotations from comtemporary docs is excellent. It's a good early work. I do not recommend following her methods for re-creation, if you're into serious "chapter & verse" methodology. As for technique, I wouldnt draft a patt. I'd would (and have done several now) create the patt by draping. The Jeanne d'Arc book has a croquis of the pourpoint (copied many websites). I found it useful for determining seams, grainlines, openings, etc. Search the h-cost archives for pourpoint, Charles de Blois. I know I've posted about this alot and there was some interesting discussion on stuffings, 14th c quilting techniques, and the mysterious powder put in Jeanne d'Arc's pourpoint. http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/blois.html --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 18:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMTIcA006364 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:29:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RMTCiE012236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:29:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMSaZ3068551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMSX4C067804; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:28:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMSTdq067736 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:28:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so370808pyg for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=RoOQcAm1aGrsMM1ABvw02p+fE4q2IiYD+cfozZFLuo/NlFAVbAK9UflypIO4Tb1ougkHn/UzsxyxK2PFqp/CQNDPk7lWY/5az7Goc23CzpWdZzv4xauP5YQbBJXgwA19jJ0LtZFdz+yub+md/h2zd3DoEn8v9AmmGlP9MIGdfV8= Received: by 10.35.126.7 with SMTP id d7mr13763142pyn; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:28:27 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - what do you make to beat the heat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:29:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44C93E38.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? I have a favorite vintage 1969 "scooter skirt" pattern that I found a few years ago when a vintage pattern library in Rhode Island was selling off excess stock. I tried to find it on http://www.oldpatterns.com, but Misch is out of stock on it currently. It's SImplicity 8397, view 5, tho look carefully, as Simplicity re-used the number on a different 1-hour shorts pattern. Modernly, scooter skirts are called "skorts", which sounds horrible, but is an excellent combo of skirt& shorts. I just bought lots of yardage to make some more. One print has French perfume bottles, another is Poiret fashion drawings from 1913 or so, another is the Tour Eiffel repeated all-over... and about 7 more selections. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 18:58:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMwQ7q007309 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:58:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RMwKNc019782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:58:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMvZQx072892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMvV0U091484; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RMoqmP086233 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so375211pyg for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:50:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rO4Afq3FnfXtmwEs3OKtnfdMB3gjlMe9ZbsMAGxH1/D8tD6a6Lw6iQLBnUJqKmoOgWwGphL4n7KH9nWfqwu2vFMrjm5IuMytg4sKaIZJPsX0YwYeZGtWL5MXOA7vSlzogOQs8yqwF4VMA7Q01LksTKjMEcq4moNKLAnb/x0y+hs= Received: by 10.35.37.18 with SMTP id p18mr4543455pyj; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.22.15 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:50:45 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Going to GenCon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:58:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44C9450C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Dawn & I were wondering if anyone else on h-costume is going to GenCon. We *cant* be the only gamer-costumers around. There's LARPs historical & fantasy and a costume contest to see. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 19:11:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RNBlbp007441 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:11:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6RNBfdA007885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:11:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RNB1jr075016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RNAxia002079; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.143]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6RNAuAf001921 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65488 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2006 23:10:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HEpRWlz1YsILIFiG1MLH+JQ3CjNW5bHQYibbZnwWjwHuN246STJxZz384lUFb5PWMsPH3Mh552dy/XbEzQjC3ph6CvA7wkySACkW2J0rpGXHWLSIammW8dhV0Lr65ewD4bbAmnMDYngWbJVZMFwo6hi6dhzwsXuUVIzPI59ZDmg= ; Message-ID: <20060727231050.65486.qmail@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:10:50 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Going to GenCon To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:11:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44C9482D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oh I am an old gamer girl... since 1978 I think its been, lots of different games, and currently still in an AD&D tabletop. I've always wanted to go to a GenCon, but hadn't been able to afford the trek east, and the last one in LA I didn't know about until the weekend of. Hmmm... looking at their website, LA GenCon is in November. I might be able to go to that one, and drag friends (like the guys need to be dragged to any gaming convention.) Enjoy yourselves! Kimiko Cin wrote: Dawn & I were wondering if anyone else on h-costume is going to GenCon. We *cant* be the only gamer-costumers around. There's LARPs historical & fantasy and a costume contest to see. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! 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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:21:51 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <000601c6b1a9$8827d8e0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 Thread-Index: AcaxnCwgRsvNDS2YT62oiVYRGiePvgADVQ1g In-Reply-To: <20060727164318.73781.qmail@web25713.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2006 18:18:17.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[08573480:01C6B1A9] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C94BE9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This might help a bit.. http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/008262.html -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of katherine sanders Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make towear in the heat? OK, this is not /strictly/ historic - although I could argue they're 'traditional' ;-) Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they had purchased perhaps on holiday. The thing I'm a bit unclear on is how the ties work around the waist, to hold them up and fit them at the waist: the Burda pattern is a bit tailored whereas the originals are 'free-size'. I found a few references on the web, in case you've no idea what I'm talking about. http://www.thiptop.co.uk/index.php?page=trousers-split http://www.thaicraftwarehouse.com/tcwProduct.php?fashid=9329 Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jul 27 20:25:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S0PMGG008791 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:25:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6S0PG7w029578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:25:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RIapsI035348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RIajrM061655; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:36:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6RIabAG061427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:36:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from int.omr ([172.20.50.104] helo=omr.tzo.com) by omr.tzo.com with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G6Aih-00026N-UE for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:36:28 -0400 X-TZO-Forward: h-costume@indra.com Received: from 71.197.44.2 by omr.tzo.com id 2006072714362839031 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:36:28 GMT Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:32:52 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Theatre sale in Australia Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:36:26 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <000701c6b1ab$917907f0$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 Thread-Index: Acaxo+likos1e0ESRbKFDwa96peKQQABH3dgAADFBFA= In-Reply-To: <002d01c6b1a8$8c097550$6601a8c0@PYC64> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2006 18:32:52.0044 (UTC) FILETIME=[11A8D8C0:01C6B1AB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:25:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C9596C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Oops- when I read all the way to the end- July 14th was the sale. Drat. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Marshall Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:15 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Theatre sale in Australia http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/13/1089694357136.html?from=storyrh s anybody we know going to this? Betsy (in too far away texas) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 00:24:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S4OsUO015828 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:24:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6S4Omvh030690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:24:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S4O4xZ009333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S4O0Bn088766; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ylpvm43.prodigy.net (ylpvm43-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S4NukO088743 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm43.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k6S4Nu4O019046 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:23:56 -0400 X-ORBL: [69.107.94.0] Received: from thelema.frys.com (adsl-69-107-94-0.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.94.0]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S4NgLV151096 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:23:54 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20060727212222.025df780@mail.frys.com> X-Sender: kayta@mail.frys.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:23:15 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - what do you make to beat the heat In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:24:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44C99190.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >>Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty >>weather? Mini-dress-length t-shirt I didn't have to sew. It's good for around the house and not anywhere else. For going someplace, add jeans and shoes. CarolynKayta Barrows dollmaker, fibre artist, textillian www.FunStuft.com ///\\\\\ ////-@@\\\ (((( 7 ))) )(( <> ))( * ) ( * /----\ /---\ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 03:26:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S7Qq6w012542 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:26:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6S7QkTb003792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S7LPTY022948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:21:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S7LLeQ074359; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (lightening.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.77]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6S7LClN074244 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:21:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7FE3758A2 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-181.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-181.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.181]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:21:05 +1000 Message-ID: <1154071265.44c9bae116a92@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:21:05 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Theatre sale in Australia References: <002d01c6b1a8$8c097550$6601a8c0@PYC64> In-Reply-To: <002d01c6b1a8$8c097550$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:26:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C9BC36.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > anybody we know going to this? > Betsy (in too far away texas) Nah, they've done sell-offs like this in the past. You might find a bargain but a lot of stuff is in shocking disrepair and has been out on fancy dress hire for years, the company's main focus over recent years, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 06:29:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SATHXZ013731 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:29:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SATB3p020521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:29:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SASmkS039939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:28:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SASiT2075159; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SAScFk075076 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nancy_kiel@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.40]) by bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:28:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:28:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [70.104.190.77] X-Originating-Email: [nancy_kiel@hotmail.com] X-Sender: nancy_kiel@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44C85922.4080203@lavoltapress.com> From: "Nancy Kiel" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet patternfrom Simpl... Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:28:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 10:28:33.0148 (UTC) FILETIME=[939EF3C0:01C6B230] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:29:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44C9E6F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I have to disagree with this part of your statement----I'm smaller at the bust than at the hips, and the Regency look is VERY unflattering for me! Nancy Kiel nancy_kiel@hotmail.com Never tease a weasel! This is very good advice. For the weasel will not like it And teasing isn't nice. > >Well actually, I think women's "real" Regency is one of the easiest >historic periods to sew, and not that hard to fit either. It's also >comfortable to wear, it looks good on almost everyone, and it's often >fairly inexpensive to make. > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 11:53:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SFrBnS031866 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:53:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SFr45m010871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:53:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SFqDRW078912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SFq4QI094588; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6SFpx0w094445 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18061 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2006 15:51:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eNxcPvy83ptmXnpRLPwXbwJ0L9rXMGUVYKC2acNSZiryC8UGgFdxQGZjseBe6vNVCCpt2qE+VE5vz/rlZcqq7dwb4THSlafqWdVyvecBH1OVMXC+GNUh7dkZuUb83yyPXyczq4hqMkZ3emN6NErDbgqJgPLlfYvo0n3XxmD8zG0= ; Message-ID: <20060728155153.18059.qmail@web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.4.90.6] by web30111.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:51:53 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:51:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mia Dappert To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607280721.k6S7LMV2074369@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: History Channel/Simplicity X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:53:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CA32E0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:00:43 EDT From: AnnBWass@aol.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:History Channel To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 7/27/2006 12:44:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: It saddens me that things like this get promoted as "Grade A" work...NEW REFRESHING EXCITING. and it's just not. The potential for good costumes and interesting writing and accurate history exists. And that is the issue, I think. The War of 1812 production on the History Channel was a little disappointing, too--not really awful, but just not as good as I was expecting. With the resources of the History Channel, and the Ph.D. historian consultants they tout, and of course their advertising, we expect everything to be top notch! Ann Wass Usually I dont' take exception to anything the History Channel does, much like simplicity and other main-stream historical patterns, it gets people interested in in stuff ...history/costumes/historic dressing. Some people stay at that Costume/History Channel level, but it hooks some others and they go onto details of History beyond the Modren Marvels or 18c cent beyond the bicentennial look. Like most addicts, I love to see other people turned on by what I'm addicted to I just wish there were some way of identifing the different levels, and I probably shouldn't worry about that, because most of the people I talk to, seem to have a somewhat discerning eye for the difference between a "Farby Barbie" and a well researched garment Plus which nobody would watch if they said it was "just for entertainment" or "here's a ripping yarn" or something along those lines. Though the pattern companies seem to be able to deal with it intellegently and sincerely, with Halloween Costumes vs. Costume Historian lines and reenactor suitable vs. fantasy garments pretty clearly identified. Your e-corespondent, Ranting thinking Mia in Hot HOT Charlotte (though not as bad as California right now...but our air is worse!) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 12:15:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGF0FW032444 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:15:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SGErar006056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEJ9u082123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEINd015248; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEDgp015091 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J3400MBFFRCMF60@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:13:58 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:History Channel In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44CA37FD.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I feel badly that the people at the HC are being ripped. They have a limited budget, it is difficult to get permission to film in some of the real sites and many times their actors are the reinactors that "do" a period-- unpaid, but not stars or people who have anything to say about scripts, production values, etc.. Not to mention that costumes are usually rented from a costume house that is more interested in genaric than specialty work. And then there are time constraints... I have a friend who is set to do a Civil War program for the HC. Who knows what it will be like, but he is working with people who know the period. My husband is slated to play a soldier-- no lines, or he would have to be payed Equity scale. We were in Philadelphia this past November and visited the USS Olympia, Admiral Dewey'S flagship. As we followed the electrical cables aboard and passed a cabin filled with men in uniforms of the period (Spanish American War) we were informed that the HC was doing a documentary on the SA War. It was very exciting-- the air was filled with smoke from a "fire" or a battle-- but we couldn't see it because it was cordoned off for filming. The people were really helpful, and the technical people put up with us tourists, and we hooked up with one ofthe reinactors who have a a tour that was not to be believed ! We got to stand on the bridge, and got to see the crow's nesy, which was rusted and needed repair. Most people don't get to see half that stuff... Anyhoo... unless you have ever been directly involved with a production you don't know the limitations put on a director by the chanel, the director etc. It is not as easy as you may think. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:History Channel In a message dated 7/27/2006 12:44:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: It saddens me that things like this get promoted as "Grade A" work...NEW REFRESHING EXCITING. and it's just not. The potential for good costumes and interesting writing and accurate history exists. And that is the issue, I think. The War of 1812 production on the History Channel was a little disappointing, too--not really awful, but just not as good as I was expecting. With the resources of the History Channel, and the Ph.D. historian consultants they tout, and of course their advertising, we expect everything to be top notch! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 12:39:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGdMSR000621 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:39:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SGdGAi010968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:39:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGcZa6085944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGc2ro039095; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6SGbJJ7038126 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:37:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90064 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2006 16:37:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dHacmY6bdq9jfc5XYhUBejGdkHXvMvrVdediT5/OtqKjH7E/AwWjWeXjlenu4B8YSwGH5bHtqyazF8WtgQtWee3mQzS8eTXahKmQBpFkqC7fNE31x9myjynB/zi0U63A0TsfvV4XFTJOL2RtsyYmrf8Ku86FNQu6Zn2wmvACo64= ; Message-ID: <20060728163706.90062.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.117.13.102] by web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:37:06 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200607280721.k6S7LMV2074369@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make to wear in the heat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:39:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CA3DB4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO These remind me of a pair of pants my mother made for me years ago for a Christmas party. They were yellow "silk" with a blue print of giraffes and such. I looked on the Patterns from the Past site and found two possibilities for the one she used. Both are from 1972 - Simplicity 5124 wrap and tie shorts and pants, and Butterick 6720 - wrap and go pantskirt. I really liked them and don't remember my legs showing at all, so it probably was the butterick that she used. The term "pantskirt" does sound familiar. btw - I had not heard of that website before, thanks Cynthia! Message: 10 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:28:27 -0700 From: Cin Subject: [h-cost] OT - what do you make to beat the heat > Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? I have a favorite vintage 1969 "scooter skirt" pattern that I found a few years ago when a vintage pattern library in Rhode Island was selling off excess stock. I tried to find it on http://www.oldpatterns.com, but Misch is out of stock on it currently. It's SImplicity 8397, view 5, tho look carefully, as Simplicity re-used the number on a different 1-hour shorts pattern. Modernly, scooter skirts are called "skorts", which sounds horrible, but is an excellent combo of skirt& shorts. I just bought lots of yardage to make some more. One print has French perfume bottles, another is Poiret fashion drawings from 1913 or so, another is the Tour Eiffel repeated all-over... and about 7 more selections. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:21:51 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make towear in the heat? This might help a bit.. http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/008262.html -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of katherine sanders Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:43 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make towear in the heat? OK, this is not /strictly/ historic - although I could argue they're 'traditional' ;-) Anyway, I'm trying to adapt a Burda pattern to be more like traditional thai fisherman 'wrap' trousers, which are open at the outer sides (and therefore cooler to wear and hang nicely) and wondered if anyone had tried making a pair based on originals they had purchased perhaps on holiday. The thing I'm a bit unclear on is how the ties work around the waist, to hold them up and fit them at the waist: the Burda pattern is a bit tailored whereas the originals are 'free-size'. I found a few references on the web, in case you've no idea what I'm talking about. http://www.thiptop.co.uk/index.php?page=trousers-split http://www.thaicraftwarehouse.com/tcwProduct.php?fashid=9329 Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably toasty weather? Katherine "A positive attitude may not solve all of your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort" - Herm Albright Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:50 +0000 (GMT) From: katherine sanders Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT Thai Fisherman trousers >Email me off list if you are interested. >Sheridan P. Thanks - will do! >They are simply the front and back of a pair of very wide-legged trousers, joined at the crotch and >inside legs only. You then take the back part, and tie them round the front - I actually use hooks and eyes >here. Pick up the front part and tie them at the back, overlapping the back at the sides. (You can do this the >other way around - I find this way easiest.) >Suzi That explains everything - thanks again! I'm going to find some cheapo stuff to practice on and some nice linen to make smarter ones... >I have seen it done also where people have sort of extended the bottom hem of the pants to make ties at the >ankles so that the legs don't flap open or get in the way. >Natalie Now there's a thought! Can immediately think of /several/ situations where my Scottish pale-blue thigh would not be an appropriate thing to flash.... Thanks to all for your help, amazingly useful and informative as always. I know it's quite cheap to buy them but that feels like a bit of a cop out, somehow! Katherine (in front of a fan with feet in a basin of cold water. ohhhhh that's better...) --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 12:51:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGpihF000849 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:51:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SGpcVx016454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:51:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGp1Am089292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:51:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGocg5051960; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGo87B051371 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:50:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCC8A6E82 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:50:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44CA4049.5020207@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:50:17 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:History Channel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:51:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CA409A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO monica spence wrote: > I feel badly that the people at the HC are being ripped. They have a limited > budget, it is difficult to get permission to film in some of the real sites > and many times their actors are the reinactors that "do" a period-- unpaid, > but not stars or people who have anything to say about scripts, production > values, etc.. Not to mention that costumes are usually rented from a costume > house that is more interested in genaric than specialty work. And then there > are time constraints... I had an interesting chat with one of the guys who did the costuming for the Revolutionary War series on HC. From the sounds of it, the producers left the costuming entirely to the unpaid actors... quote: "I do not-for-profit living history demonstrations. I started with The Revolutionary War time period. I could not afford to buy clothing so I learned how to make my own, by hand. I researched historical garments and began making them with historical construction techniques. Soon I started and outfitted an entire re-enacting group. I served as the Historical Advisor on the new 13 Episode History Channel series on the Revolution, which will air this summer. Not only did I review the scripts and coach the producers, writers and actors but I also made most of the clothing worn in the production (hand made museum quality pieces). The wardrobe people came with nothing and knew nothing (actually they are Civil War specialists). They will be creditted with wardrobe but, oh well, at least things are accurate now." endquote So, someone did try. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 15:03:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJ3jBk003718 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:03:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SJ3dPI000635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:03:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJ24og011419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:02:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJ1wbY071972; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJ1uwN071922 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:01:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so324168nfc for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ueSX/R0O9okDb8wMxrCfEC8QZuKs+Rt9W1A9YA9vlQ0QG7AnOBbYiBX6suBm0FM44jQqyLalErQu3SB1UScRRaSxGxVssEHimgMk2I/yKBSmcl9dEEtM3N/If8ZS4CIk2XcwmY1bUASKXjVkQM4qXBvcxtlM89qjPpH03oS0SkI= Received: by 10.78.107.8 with SMTP id f8mr269371huc; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.128.20 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590607281201k54ec609cw5364df5a3171e370@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:01:54 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:03:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44CA5F8B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all, can anyone give me some hints on fulling a small bit of wool? I'm starting with a piece about 11 inch square, it's light weight as well (tropical suit weight?). I was hoping to be able to do this by hand, but I'm not sure I'm doing it right. I put it in hot water (dishwashing hot) with dish soap, scrubbed a couple minute on the roasting pan - nice ridges like an old fashion washing board, then I switched to cold water and did the same, once without soap at this stage and once with the soap. I've measured along the way and none of the dimensions have changed. I've fulled wool flannel before in the washing machine, but I was hoping to not have to run a full load for this little scrap (my washer only allows for full loads, no adjustments there and I rarely wash my clothes on the hot water that I've used before that got results) So is there some trick/step I missed or could I possible have some wool that's been treated not to full? alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 15:18:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJIWsj004090 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:18:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SJIP3j032285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:18:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJHpbt013349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJHn6M084360; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6SJHkqj084259 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32118 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2006 19:17:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O85YR8OwT6wLv4cNLGNO7wS7w42MMwTXlq0jnMzep41qWuCr+/AOsdakxFKWo8VEE6t+X5AhmhJ3+rLxu450+qhSWEY4pLWFqR784FolCIy4trDAtYkhXurhjzlKb4h/opn/oMG2VS7KWNPjFoGmMr1DTJY+kIU0F+nFSmo6CJk= ; Message-ID: <20060728191740.32116.qmail@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:17:40 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:17:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <870801590607281201k54ec609cw5364df5a3171e370@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:18:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CA6301.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Sounds like the wool is not going to full. Tropical weight often is that way, while flannel is more likely to full in my experience. Sorry, Kimiko Alexandria Doyle wrote: So is there some trick/step I missed or could I possible have some wool that's been treated not to full? alex --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. 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Status: RO I think I said they look good on "almost" everyone. Fran Nancy Kiel wrote: > > I have to disagree with this part of your statement----I'm smaller at > the bust than at the hips, and the Regency look is VERY unflattering for > me! > > Nancy Kiel > nancy_kiel@hotmail.com > Never tease a weasel! > This is very good advice. > For the weasel will not like it > And teasing isn't nice. > > > > > >> >> Well actually, I think women's "real" Regency is one of the easiest >> historic periods to sew, and not that hard to fit either. It's also >> comfortable to wear, it looks good on almost everyone, and it's often >> fairly inexpensive to make. >> >> Fran >> Lavolta Press >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. 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Status: RO > Dawn & I were wondering if anyone else on h-costume is going to > GenCon. We *cant* be the only gamer-costumers around. There's > LARPs > historical & fantasy and a costume contest to see. > --cin Going, but won't have time for much sightseeing -- I'm signed up to run 32 hours of games as part of the Hero Games demo team. (This is of course assuming the ************ on staff at GenCon ever get my GM badge to me. Less than two weeks, people ....) Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 15:58:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJww70004857 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:58:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SJwqul012215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJwQXG018297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:58:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJwP4h019919; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6SJwKj8019859 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 32034 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2006 12:57:07 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31988, pid: 31998, t: 7.6283s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:39/d:1598 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 28 Jul 2006 12:56:59 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060728125603.02363008@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:57:59 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric In-Reply-To: <870801590607281201k54ec609cw5364df5a3171e370@mail.gmail.co m> References: <870801590607281201k54ec609cw5364df5a3171e370@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44CA6C7D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO At 12:01 PM 7/28/2006, you wrote: >Hi all, can anyone give me some hints on fulling a small bit of wool? >I'm starting with a piece about 11 inch square, it's light weight as >well (tropical suit weight?). > >I was hoping to be able to do this by hand, but I'm not sure I'm doing >it right. I put it in hot water (dishwashing hot) with dish soap, >scrubbed a couple minute on the roasting pan - nice ridges like an old >fashion washing board, then I switched to cold water and did the same, >once without soap at this stage and once with the soap. I've measured >along the way and none of the dimensions have changed. > >I've fulled wool flannel before in the washing machine, but I was >hoping to not have to run a full load for this little scrap (my washer >only allows for full loads, no adjustments there and I rarely wash my >clothes on the hot water that I've used before that got results) > >So is there some trick/step I missed or could I possible have some >wool that's been treated not to full? > >alex Your description sounds like you know what you are doing, and the wool should have fulled if it was going to. So it may just be made from a wool that doesn't full well (whether it's been treated with something, or is just worsted-spun, or is a particularly unfullable variety of wool). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 16:00:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SK0CSj004904 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SK04qO017976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJxYSP018422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJxWXH020893; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SJxTNI020745 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.16]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:59:23 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:59:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:59:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.70.142.24] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Becky Rautine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:History Channel Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:59:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 19:59:21.0059 (UTC) FILETIME=[50F77330:01C6B280] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CA6CC4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I think that the history channel is focused on the OVERVIEW of a subject not the absolutely historically correct COSTUME or dress of the story. That is their main issue. Sometimes they do fudge that area because it is a lesser part of any program... in this setup. If they are concerned with the costuming, then it must be more important. Viewers need to keep that in mind. I love wathcing the History Channel to get information. How the show is made helps get that point across. I usually pick such movies like some of the postings, but I've learned to enjoy the shows instead of looking just for mistakes. Such critical vision can lead to missing the overall points. No , I would n't like to see Julius Caesar in something that wasn't period, but as long as the issue is covered, I don't care if his toga was draped over his right shoulder or left... as long as he has one. Sincerely, Becky Rautine From: monica spence Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re:History Channel Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:13:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc6-f17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:16:10 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEiEx082159(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:44 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEINf015248;Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:32 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.202])by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SGEDgp015091for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:14:14 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18])by mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net(Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006))with SMTP id <0J3400MBFFRCMF60@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> forh-costume@indra.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt24WsMhuC0FBqIosbz8ajjB9YyyTNiO68Y= X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2,clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 16:16:10.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[237FFCC0:01C6B261] I feel badly that the people at the HC are being ripped. They have a limited budget, it is difficult to get permission to film in some of the real sites and many times their actors are the reinactors that "do" a period-- unpaid, but not stars or people who have anything to say about scripts, production values, etc.. Not to mention that costumes are usually rented from a costume house that is more interested in genaric than specialty work. And then there are time constraints... I have a friend who is set to do a Civil War program for the HC. Who knows what it will be like, but he is working with people who know the period. My husband is slated to play a soldier-- no lines, or he would have to be payed Equity scale. We were in Philadelphia this past November and visited the USS Olympia, Admiral Dewey'S flagship. As we followed the electrical cables aboard and passed a cabin filled with men in uniforms of the period (Spanish American War) we were informed that the HC was doing a documentary on the SA War. It was very exciting-- the air was filled with smoke from a "fire" or a battle-- but we couldn't see it because it was cordoned off for filming. The people were really helpful, and the technical people put up with us tourists, and we hooked up with one ofthe reinactors who have a a tour that was not to be believed ! We got to stand on the bridge, and got to see the crow's nesy, which was rusted and needed repair. Most people don't get to see half that stuff... Anyhoo... unless you have ever been directly involved with a production you don't know the limitations put on a director by the chanel, the director etc. It is not as easy as you may think. Monica Spence -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of AnnBWass@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:01 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:History Channel In a message dated 7/27/2006 12:44:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, snappylunch_2001@yahoo.com writes: It saddens me that things like this get promoted as "Grade A" work...NEW REFRESHING EXCITING. and it's just not. The potential for good costumes and interesting writing and accurate history exists. And that is the issue, I think. The War of 1812 production on the History Channel was a little disappointing, too--not really awful, but just not as good as I was expecting. With the resources of the History Channel, and the Ph.D. historian consultants they tout, and of course their advertising, we expect everything to be top notch! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 16:25:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKPsxb005797 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:25:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SKPmbj030135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:25:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKPDKI022141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKP5jH042910; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKOsZM042568 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.2d7.2c9d0880 (29679) for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <2d7.2c9d0880.31fbcc8b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:24:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:History Channel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:25:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CA72CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2006 4:00:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: think that the history channel is focused on the OVERVIEW of a subject not the absolutely historically correct COSTUME or dress of the story. My reservations about the War of 1812 program were not primarily costume ones--some of the historical facts were wrong. Ann Wass PS As I still don't have cable or DirectTV, I don't watch the History Channel regularly, so really cannot judge their overall quality. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 16:32:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKW28g005882 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:32:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SKVuvH027871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKVI4p023586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKVGCF048515; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKVDX8048394 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:31:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.13]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:31:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.229.220 by by110fd.bay110.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:31:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.70.142.24] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky Rautine" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:31:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2006 20:31:07.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[C11D06D0:01C6B284] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] (no subject) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CA743C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sincerely, Becky Rautine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 17:03:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL3Ols006636 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:03:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SL3HFj005522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:03:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL2hPp027013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL2gh6073041; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:02:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL2c4W072864 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:02:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.525.7bbe9600 (40521) for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:02:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <525.7bbe9600.31fbd566@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:02:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:History Channel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44CA7B95.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2006 4:00:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zeartiste@hotmail.com writes: I think that the history channel is focused on the OVERVIEW of a subject not the absolutely historically correct COSTUME or dress of the story. That is their main issue {snip} How the show is made helps get that point across. *************************** That is all well and good. But this "REAL P's of the C" thing was 98% reenactments. I mean it was the whole shebang. And for the reenactments to be so important AND the costuming to be so bad...I mean more than bad...completely unprofessional! Well, there no excuse. That's my point, really. It's like historic houses with bad costumes. Sometimes they just can't afford to do it correctly...y'know if the house is out in the boonies of LA or SC. I understand. But if it's a big deal with money, they should get it right. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 17:05:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL5FdD006703 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:05:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SL58cF013654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:05:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKxLBJ026659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKxKFA070199; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SKxHMh070174 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so356956nfc for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qUBECkYHkSgvLNDKn3YWx7JryBInIy2/RQEMybHOra4brX/xgmTh7KDWRp5H5gSSJ4ssFEr7jZUJ693aCOA7efY/R3l5Hy3zagrKuiAYCg53No73juZGFAD4jeDwTFQ+ffawj2NnUsu9TCM0WQYepojcdmz1VQxhluNjNY7ulKo= Received: by 10.78.183.15 with SMTP id g15mr294938huf; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.128.20 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590607281359w139b6df5s6df72cd1e0154296@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:59:15 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060728125603.02363008@surewest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <870801590607281201k54ec609cw5364df5a3171e370@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20060728125603.02363008@surewest.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:05:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CA7C04.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Your description sounds like you know what you are doing, and the > wool should have fulled if it was going to. So it may just be made > from a wool that doesn't full well (whether it's been treated with > something, or is just worsted-spun, or is a particularly unfullable > variety of wool). > > Thanks, I guess I have to try a bit of the flannel then, I have to dye it as well, so I was hoping not to have to use that - it's hot pink and I need black. Off to clean out the dying pot, alex _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 17:08:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL8RXx006830 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:08:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SL8Len008047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:08:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL7oCn027675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL7nph077347; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL7jiN077232 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C34A6E84 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:07:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44CA7CAC.9020501@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:07:56 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Going to GenCon References: <20060728.145551.1340.0.LLWatts@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20060728.145551.1340.0.LLWatts@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:08:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CA7CC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Leah L Watts wrote: > Going, but won't have time for much sightseeing -- I'm signed up to run > 32 hours of games as part of the Hero Games demo team. > > (This is of course assuming the ************ on staff at GenCon ever get > my GM badge to me. Less than two weeks, people ....) > I haven't been able to get mine yet, either, I expect I'll have to hit the registration desk when I get there. Perhaps we can meet up for a quick dinner one evening? I'm running 24 hours worth of events myself, but it looks like Friday could be good.... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 17:54:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SLsFu9008178 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:54:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6SLs9U6021972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:54:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SLrlGQ035177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:53:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SLrhRf016555; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:53:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6SL86mt077514 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.2de.3305f500 (40521) for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:07:56 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2de.3305f500.31fbd6ac@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:07:56 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Regency Patterns; Was free Regency bonnet patternfrom Simpl... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CA8781.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2006 3:28:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: . > > I have to disagree with this part of your statement----I'm smaller at > the bust than at the hips, and the Regency look is VERY unflattering for > me! > ############ I think I said they look good on "almost" everyone *********************** You could use some "fascinators" y'know....a little padding up top. That would of course be perfectly period. And of course one of the most beautiful things about the period are hips showing occasionally under the moving, light fabric of the skirt. That's why I like a full corset under the look. That and the high bust a corset gives. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 22:13:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2DjMw014716 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:13:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T2DbAo028379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2Cqsk066412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2CmZj090574; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2Ci4P090538 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m207.in-tch.com [216.166.191.207]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k6T21oK14353 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:01:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006001c6b2b5$9575fc40$cfbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060728191740.32116.qmail@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:20:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:13:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CAC451.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Especially if it's a worsted. It sounds like the original poster is doing something quite similar to what I do to felt my knitted flat caps--lots of soap, and alternating between shocking the cr@p out of it with very hot water and very cold water. I've primarily used vigorous rubbing to achieve the agitation part, but someone on a list I'm on actually recommended getting an inexpensive toilet plunger (carefully marked for fabric use only!), and using that to agitate one's fabric/knitting/project. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric > Sounds like the wool is not going to full. Tropical weight often is that way, while flannel is more likely to full in my experience. > > Sorry, > > Kimiko > > > Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > So is there some trick/step I missed or could I possible have some > wool that's been treated not to full? > > alex > > > > > --------------------------------- > See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 22:50:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2oSvL015556 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:50:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T2oMSl004308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:50:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2nn4M070368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2nlHm012969; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2nfs5012863 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.2fa.148a5b00 (30739) for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <2fa.148a5b00.31fc26bb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:49:31 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Vanity not-so Fair X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:50:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CACCEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO And speaking of bad Regency.... I'm staying with a friend who has HBO [I don't] and "Vanity Fair" is on....and I'm half watching it while we eat, and clean up and putter about. The Ball scene cracked me up! Who designed it? The animation dept at Warner Bro's? It looks like a cartoon. In fact, the whole art direction resembles Carnival in Rio. Everything is red, or bright purple....or both. Yuck. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 22:53:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2r0Ok015651 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:53:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T2qq3i013172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:52:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2qONx070624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2qOXQ014425; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2qLwK014387 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k27so11825nfc for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:52:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a+BevcaUBQWkl6uUssL6FoDQru/H+nRFzc/Du4MmSPewKJphFoXrk5s0eb6GLva6L8AlaxWQsKEBpLeOB43C+6PNz+Kr6zDO9wJtXmPtiKzdIXgv9O51Up2SNCChy62DVWiSdjDIhdk860c3CUYeutltybfnpVqeC3qDo9cozvg= Received: by 10.78.118.19 with SMTP id q19mr8421huc; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.128.20 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590607281952p182863cclcce473f4d8f7a50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:52:20 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric In-Reply-To: <006001c6b2b5$9575fc40$cfbfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060728191740.32116.qmail@web32214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006001c6b2b5$9575fc40$cfbfa6d8@pavilion> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:52:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44CACD84.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO That would explain it then. I did switch to some wool flannel that was also going to need some dying. So I put the dye pot on the stove with my strip of flannel, let the color get to where I wanted it to, then started the rinsing it in cold water and rubbing against the broiler pan. there was another dip back into the hot water of the dye pot and rinse again in color water. Fulled and dyed and as soon as it dries, it will be ready to cut up for little doll shoes. Anybody have recommendations on the style of shoe a German girl of the mid to late 16th century would wear? alex On 7/28/06, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Especially if it's a worsted. > It sounds like the original poster is doing something quite similar to what > I do to felt my knitted flat caps--lots of soap, and alternating between > shocking the cr@p out of it with very hot water and very cold water. I've > primarily used vigorous rubbing to achieve the agitation part, but someone > on a list I'm on actually recommended getting an inexpensive toilet plunger > (carefully marked for fabric use only!), and using that to agitate one's > fabric/knitting/project. > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kimiko Small" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] fulling wool fabric > > > > Sounds like the wool is not going to full. Tropical weight often is that > way, while flannel is more likely to full in my experience. > > > > Sorry, > > > > Kimiko > > > > > > Alexandria Doyle wrote: > > > > So is there some trick/step I missed or could I possible have some > > wool that's been treated not to full? > > > > alex > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 22:59:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2xMVn015855 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:59:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T2xEFc002459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:59:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2wjDL071495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:58:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T2wiXk017947; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:58:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6T2wefM017841 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 20:58:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 80633 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2006 02:58:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z5A3NpmnQ8zevVbGFLIHRQy9BmKLcisaA1k4CT+gV5eWJbibeC0ohUGI0nl8FhXWPcIyRTl/WYkzylol0cv4j5TwaVgKVsCc3VUoeT4pwwhF9BU2MR/wFnjG9uRnfhXgLcMoC1akUtNGFJQJrNSuk9dlUJboGSA9b8SeBH7djco= ; Message-ID: <20060729025831.80631.qmail@web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.250.176.96] by web81415.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:58:31 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT - Thai fisherman type trousers: what do you make to wear in the heat To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20060728163706.90062.qmail@web35607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44CACF02.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Ahh yes, I remember the wrap and go pantskirt. I also remember fighting to keep them off the dirty floor of the women's restroom. Not the easiest of garments to deal with in a confined space. Although, now that I think on it, I believe I was also wearing one of those stupid bodysuits that snapped in the crotch. What were we thinking???? --- Kahlara wrote: > Both are from 1972 - > Simplicity 5124 wrap and tie shorts and pants, > and Butterick 6720 - wrap and go pantskirt. > > I really liked them and don't remember my legs > showing at all, so it probably was the butterick > that she used. The term "pantskirt" does sound > familiar. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 23:26:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3Qbwb017077 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:26:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T3QV4X012756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:26:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3PoM7074140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3Plsx033105; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3PiKo033072 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.160] (pm5-160.eos.net [205.133.149.160]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k6T3PgHP000381 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:25:42 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:10:58 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200607290249.k6T2nmEn012981@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: history channel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:26:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CAD567.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, IMHO most of the programs on The History Channel are pretty bad. They really make me appreciate PBS! Back when we got cable, my husband and I used to call THC "The poor man's PBS" -- not because it was cheaper to get, which it isn't because you have to pay for THC and PBS is free, but because the programs are obviously made for next to nothing. They are also usually sensationalized, at least the ones I've seen. I'm not saying there aren't any good programs on TCH, but I'd say at least half of them are cheap and poorly written. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jul 28 23:41:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3fchn017602 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:41:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T3fWfS015779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:41:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3ew0h075662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3ev1N041381; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T3erb2041304 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE774A1E71 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:40:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44CAD8D3.2060201@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:41:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:41:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CAD8EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm I think they're desktops. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 00:59:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T4xF2q019418 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:59:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T4x7go022202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T4uYVl083568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T4uVDD081337; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6T4uSar081275 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 22:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90065 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2006 04:56:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xGbsCdWJsYjxbQ34CgSjUn9eoHLLOB54n+qUlJc+Orks+yZHKvhFmMFANwu9L00rpUhtf5l8B6erbbu9T2+ubRNPXnZT7J4HXBN2bwjaQtMr4LLWrt5wPEZt9vjIUKIDrED6MxF7eZEFYsRrFCikIbcjlDf2mnh086NKW16ttF4= ; Message-ID: <20060729045619.90063.qmail@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:56:19 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 21:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <44CAD8D3.2060201@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:59:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CAEB1B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Any idea what Queen Elizabeth is supposed to be, animal wise? I am not sure if it is a tortoise or what. But I do like the Froggy courtier. And I like Henry VIII and Jane Seymour. I like some others as well, but those are what I am involved in. Kimiko Dawn wrote: Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm I think they're desktops. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Status: RO She's a tortoise -- looking up toward the sky. If you blow it up, you can see the beaky snout w/ the two little nostrils. Poor Bess! On the other hand, the hairline is right... KP Kimiko Small wrote: Any idea what Queen Elizabeth is supposed to be, animal wise? I am not sure if it is a tortoise or what. But I do like the Froggy courtier. And I like Henry VIII and Jane Seymour. I like some others as well, but those are what I am involved in. Kimiko Dawn wrote: Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm I think they're desktops. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Status: RO The Italian Rhino-ssance pair is fab!! Theresa Eacker Dawn wrote: > > > Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: > > http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm > > > I think they're desktops. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 03:18:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T7I85U014850 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:18:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6T7I23F027276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 03:18:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T7HN4t002460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T7HKJB053533; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6T7HHem053514 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:17:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA23568F0284; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:11:31 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:17:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c6b2df$0c61e070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <20060729045619.90063.qmail@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Sir Walter Raleigh gave her a frog pin, maybe that's supposed to be him. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates Any idea what Queen Elizabeth is supposed to be, animal wise? I am not sure if it is a tortoise or what. But I do like the Froggy courtier. And I like Henry VIII and Jane Seymour. I like some others as well, but those are what I am involved in. Kimiko Dawn wrote: Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm I think they're desktops. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2006 10:52:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, AlbertCat@aol.com writes: In fact, the whole art direction resembles Carnival in Rio. Everything is red, or bright purple....or both I believe that is because the director is from India, and she wanted that aesthetic. I never did see the movie--I wanted to read the book first, and by the time I finished it, it was gone from theaters. Haven't cared enough to get it on DVD. I find all the characters pretty hard to take. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 09:55:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TDtRvN032685 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:55:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TDtLEx014598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TDsrJn035895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TDsQUV075433; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TDrsJ1074944 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060729135348m1200ktllve>; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:53:48 +0000 Received: from [67.183.234.19] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:53:48 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:53:48 +0000 Message-Id: <072920061353.6747.44CB686C00052BF300001A5B22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 09:55:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CB68C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO IIRC, The Frog is the prince or king or royal someone of France that she was supposedly being 'courted' by. Never came to anything, since she had no intention of ever marrying... I'm sure someone on this list can get the french royalty' name I can't seem to remember right now. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" > Sir Walter Raleigh gave her a frog pin, maybe that's supposed to be him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kimiko Small > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates > > > Any idea what Queen Elizabeth is supposed to be, animal wise? I am not sure > if it is a tortoise or what. But I do like the Froggy courtier. And I like > Henry VIII and Jane Seymour. I like some others as well, but those are what > I am involved in. > > Kimiko > > > Dawn wrote: > > Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: > > http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm > > > I think they're desktops. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Status: RO Duke d'Alencon, whom Elizabeth would refer to him as her "Little Frog" In 1581 she announced that she would marry him but after a time he is alleged to have gotten tired of the political side stepping with the marriage date and went back to France. De -----Original Message----- IIRC, The Frog is the prince or king or royal someone of France that she was supposedly being 'courted' by. Never came to anything, since she had no intention of ever marrying... I'm sure someone on this list can get the french royalty' name I can't seem to remember right now. 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/29/2006 8:00:55 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net writes: IIRC, The Frog is the prince or king or royal someone of France that she was supposedly being 'courted' by. Never came to anything, since she had no intention of ever marrying... I'm sure someone on this list can get the french royalty' name I can't seem to remember right now. Elena/Gia I've seen these in a book somewhere. Like the historic fashion paper doll books published by Dover and mainly illustrated by Tom Tierney. If anyone has the publisher, members of this list might be interested. And I don't recall any of it being in Japanese! Which leads me to believe these are scanned images from the book. Copyright issues? Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 15:25:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TJOuLQ006329 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:25:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TJOoWM015814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:24:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TJJ2RG078362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:19:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TJIu8w075123; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TJIqIv075060 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([71.126.40.204]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3600HYIITM2QN7@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 14:18:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:01:46 -0400 From: "HELEN PINTO" Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <007601c6b343$5b5adce0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <232.d3c3e28.31fcd4ab@aol.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:24:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44CBB602.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The images are from a book. I own it- somewhere in one of the boxes of books waiting to be unpacked. I can't remember the title, but it came out at least twenty years ago. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 17:03:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TL36Kn008488 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:03:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TL30iL028879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:03:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TL2FD7095233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:02:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TL2BfD038496; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:02:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6THvr35030046 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0471130518; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:52:07 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:58:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c6b338$8ab0f070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <072920061353.6747.44CB686C00052BF300001A5B22007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO Alencon? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 6:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates IIRC, The Frog is the prince or king or royal someone of France that she was supposedly being 'courted' by. Never came to anything, since she had no intention of ever marrying... I'm sure someone on this list can get the french royalty' name I can't seem to remember right now. Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" > Sir Walter Raleigh gave her a frog pin, maybe that's supposed to be > him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Kimiko Small > Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates > > > Any idea what Queen Elizabeth is supposed to be, animal wise? I am not > sure > if it is a tortoise or what. But I do like the Froggy courtier. And I like > Henry VIII and Jane Seymour. I like some others as well, but those are what > I am involved in. > > Kimiko > > > Dawn wrote: > > Silly, very silly, animals in historic clothing: > > http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm > > > I think they're desktops. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. 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Status: RO In a message dated 7/29/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net writes: Any idea what Queen Elizabeth is supposed to be, animal wise? **************************** She's a Turtle. I mean....of course! :-P _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 19:01:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN1XEQ011466 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:01:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TN1RQc000541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:01:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN0uxF015836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN0uU3001679; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN0qqg001614 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bd4.1a96279 (14502) for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:00:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:00:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Vanity not-so Fair To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:01:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CBE8C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/29/2006 7:23:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: I believe that is because the director is from India, and she wanted that aesthetic. ********************** Well that explains why the Indian costumes....like when they're in India....were the best. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 19:04:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN4Oxn011519 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:04:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TN4IuL001041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:04:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN3fNA016353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN3fDe003156; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TN3bq4003078 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bcc.1b29c69 (14502) for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:03:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:03:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: history channel To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:04:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CBE972.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2006 11:28:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gailscott@eos.net writes: but I'd say at least half of them are cheap and poorly written. ***************** The half they produce. The other half were done by others....like old PBS productions....and bought. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jul 29 19:12:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TNC4IK011634 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6TNBw3I002517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TNBM3Y018021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TNBLEG008037; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6TNBGRg007899 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:11:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.110.6207c65f (14502) for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <110.6207c65f.31fd450b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:11:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CBEB3E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/28/2006 11:43:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: _http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm_ (http://www.mydeskcity.com/DZFG20.htm) The Gothic mice are sooooo cute! But my faves are the 18th century geese. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 30 15:17:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJHgDJ023461 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:17:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UJHabX011632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:17:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJGoIL032773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJGemh009703; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJGZQU009660 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from CPQ21932199711 (0x503f553b.bynxx11.adsl.tele.dk [80.63.85.59]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 762BC8A0035 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:16:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000801c6b40c$b601b410$7c83fea9@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:16:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] little note................. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:17:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CD05D0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Just a little note that i am back on the list. 1.st i want to appoligise to all of you who conserned about me, it is very nice and very warm that you consern about me. I am well, but i must admit that i have to gear down on myself, because mostly i get two familiar and also two envoved in everything. Update is that i have struggled with myself, i am getting better now, but i really have to stop being two familliar with you guys, its something i have to learn. I hope that its ben very booring while i have ben away, god knows its ben very boring here, and damned two hot, Europe has had one of the badest summers heatwise, we still have, and i pray it soon gets away. I must tell you costume wise, that a very important exhibition is taking place in Copenhagen by all places in September, showing court fashions of men from 17th century to 18th century. The earlyest Banyan 17th century is shown amungst many other unique things. In the meanwhile i have almost finished my yellow waistcoat, i only need to assemble it to the backs, buttonholes and buttons worked: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm And i hired Derek Easton to make me this wig: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm He made it, only i think he made the chignon two small, you will have to waite a little to see it, i have it but i need to take a photo with powdered face...................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 30 15:46:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJkIgB023888 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:46:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UJkB2h008846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:46:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJjX2F035536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UJjTaj027940; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k6UJjPRK027908 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 6921 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 12:44:09 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6878, pid: 6891, t: 7.3979s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:39/d:1598 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 30 Jul 2006 12:44:02 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060730123758.022a3478@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 12:45:03 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] little note................. 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Status: RO At 12:16 PM 7/30/2006, you wrote: >Just a little note that i am back on the list. >1.st i want to appoligise to all of you who conserned about me, it >is very nice and very warm that you consern about me. >I am well, but i must admit that i have to gear down on myself, >because mostly i get two familiar and also two envoved in everything. >Update is that i have struggled with myself, i am getting better >now, but i really have to stop being two familliar with you guys, >its something i have to learn. >I hope that its ben very booring while i have ben away, god knows >its ben very boring here, and damned two hot, Europe has had one of >the badest summers heatwise, we still have, and i pray it soon gets away. >I must tell you costume wise, that a very important exhibition is >taking place in Copenhagen by all places in September, showing court >fashions of men from 17th century to 18th century. >The earlyest Banyan 17th century is shown amungst many other unique things. >In the meanwhile i have almost finished my yellow waistcoat, i only >need to assemble it to the backs, buttonholes and buttons worked: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm >And i hired Derek Easton to make me this wig: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm >He made it, only i think he made the chignon two small, you will >have to waite a little to see it, i have it but i need to take a >photo with powdered face...................... > >Bjarne A beautiful job, as usual, Bjarne! I like the way you describe what you are doing for each step. It shows me techniques and ideas that I can use in my own sewing, though I am not doing anywhere near the amount of embroidery you are doing. The weather here in California has just now cooled off from the 11-day stretch of very hot weather (over 40C during the day and only cooling off to ~32C at night). I hope you get relief from the hot weather soon. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 30 16:02:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UK2En3024175 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:02:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6UK28MB018080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:02:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UK1Pp9037123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UK1NeB036828; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6UK1JTQ036774 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AEB52CCF03B0; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:55:33 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] little note................. 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Status: RO I showed my daughter the pictures of your waistcoat and she echoed my sentiments exactly, "Oh, my god, gorgeous!". As always, your work is exquisite and an inspiration to the rest of us. Glad you're feeling better. We've been having unusually hot weather here, also. I got out my hand fan and am carrying it with me. Really helps! Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 12:17 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] little note................. Just a little note that i am back on the list. 1.st i want to appoligise to all of you who conserned about me, it is very nice and very warm that you consern about me. I am well, but i must admit that i have to gear down on myself, because mostly i get two familiar and also two envoved in everything. Update is that i have struggled with myself, i am getting better now, but i really have to stop being two familliar with you guys, its something i have to learn. I hope that its ben very booring while i have ben away, god knows its ben very boring here, and damned two hot, Europe has had one of the badest summers heatwise, we still have, and i pray it soon gets away. I must tell you costume wise, that a very important exhibition is taking place in Copenhagen by all places in September, showing court fashions of men from 17th century to 18th century. The earlyest Banyan 17th century is shown amungst many other unique things. In the meanwhile i have almost finished my yellow waistcoat, i only need to assemble it to the backs, buttonholes and buttons worked: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm And i hired Derek Easton to make me this wig: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm He made it, only i think he made the chignon two small, you will have to waite a little to see it, i have it but i need to take a photo with powdered face...................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 30 21:04:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V14Ojd029175 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:04:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V14IP3006285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:04:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V13Zfq066611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V13UiN014285; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V13Qmv014235 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 19:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail20.att.net ([204.127.135.59]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <20060731010323111004baaqe>; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:03:23 +0000 Received: from [72.245.26.230] by mwebmail20.att.net; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:03:21 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:03:21 +0000 Message-Id: <073120060103.22286.44CD56D8000B29D90000570E21602806510A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 28 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 554 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:04:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at rhadamanthus with ID 44CD5712.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Albert said: > That is all well and good. But this "REAL P's of the C" thing was 98% > reenactments. I mean it was the whole shebang. And for the reenactments to be > so > important AND the costuming to be so bad...I mean more than bad...completely > unprofessional! Well, there no excuse. That's my point, really ______________ Gotta chime in here. The re-enactors were the foot soldiers; they were responsible for their own clothing, which represents many research hours and many dollars to get authenticity to the highest level possible. Take a look at the battle and seige scenes in The Southern Strategy" episode and the upcoming ones depicting the war in the South. I believe you will be hard pressed to find fault with the clothing worn by the soldiers (except for that guy with the cigarette in the first episode--don't know where HE came from,). As one who was there during the filming of the Charleston scenes (if you look reeeaaallly fast, you can see my brown silk taffeta sacqueback in some of the dance clips), I can attest to the importance attached to getting the clothing, arms, and camps as close to authentic as possible. I think the ones you are finding fault with are the named characters, who are paid actors and costumed by the production company. The company is interested in a good scene, and if it happens to have good costuming (darned few and far between in this production) that is a chance happening. To their credit, the production company made an effort at authenticity by hiring as a consultant a well-respected re-enactor / scholar to advise them on the military scenes and clothing. He was extremely frustrated because, talk though he might, they weren't interested if it did not fit their idea of the scene. To my knowledge, neither he nor anyone else advised about the costuming of the paid cast. There couldn't have been anyone--otherwise they would not all be running around with (Jo-Ann) lace jabots and dead cats on their heads. Several re-enactors lent or rented clothing or firearms to the productiion company. When--if--they got them back, the items had been very poorly treated and in some cases ruined (despite the costuming departments promises to the contrary, spray-on "stage dirt" IS permanent). On the other hand, there are some interesting touches. One re-enactor, a member of the group which portrays the Coldstream Guards, let them use his officer's dress coat, which a documented copy of a Guards coat of the war period,. So far it has turned up on both General Burgoyne and General Clinton. He is sure that Clinton must be spinning in his grave, to have been seen in a Guards uniform. Keep an eye out for further sightings--the Guards uniform was more elaborate than many of the uniforms worn by the AWI generals. So you will know the coat--it is the one with all the gold braid. Jane Pease _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jul 30 22:36:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V2aM1K031149 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:36:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by rhadamanthus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V2aGm7026296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:36:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V2Z4ht075469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V2XfLn061460; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com (outmail35.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V2XY8a061349 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 20:33:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=wjXYLN=BQ=benchite.com=megan@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from scan03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.1.233] helo=scan03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout04.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1G7Nb3-0007wy-36 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:33:33 -0400 Received: from authsmtp12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.12] ident=exim) by scan03.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1G7Nb2-0000fw-VS for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:33:33 -0400 Received: from authsmtp12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.12] helo=authsmtp12.yourhostingaccount.com) by scan03.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1G7Nb2-0000ft-9Q for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:33:32 -0400 Received: from c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net ([69.138.4.46] helo=megan2) by authsmtp12.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1G7Nb2-0005Nl-0N for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:33:32 -0400 From: "Megan M." 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Status: RO Incredible work, Bjarne! I am glad to have you back and will look forward to hearing more as your work progresses. If you hear of any websites with any pictures from the exhibit in September please let us know. I'd love to see the Banyan, but I'm afraid Copenhagen this fall is not possible for me. *Sigh* -Megan -----Original Message----- Bjarne wrote: Just a little note that i am back on the list. I must tell you costume wise, that a very important exhibition is taking place in Copenhagen by all places in September, showing court fashions of men from 17th century to 18th century. The earlyest Banyan 17th century is shown amungst many other unique things. In the meanwhile i have almost finished my yellow waistcoat, i only need to assemble it to the backs, buttonholes and buttons worked: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit.htm And i hired Derek Easton to make me this wig: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/wig.htm He made it, only i think he made the chignon two small, you will have to waite a little to see it, i have it but i need to take a photo with powdered face...................... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 00:26:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V4Q0xk000752 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:26:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V4PsJb006085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:25:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V4PEa1086444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:25:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V4PASl017135; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V4P6kh017058 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 22:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.323.9325137 (39330) for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:24:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: <323.9325137.31fee017@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:24:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5123 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:25:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CD8652.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO The pictures are from a book, The Elegant Beast" by Leonard Lubin, 1981, Viking Press. The ISBN is 0-670-29097-1. I own a copy and I have delighted in the illustrations for years. Kathleen Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 03:47:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V7lAdk031009 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:47:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V7l4GN021343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:47:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V7kQGN001726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:46:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V7kMjb016134; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:46:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V7kI25016108 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JtIc4v8KBVXDIJXjrlFjfAMwiLpSTS5hgHtus8Y1kLlrDgMQNSRrX2TH0L6CJZsU; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.127.112] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G7STh-0003vV-Tv for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:46:18 -0400 Message-ID: <007301c6b475$7c17b6a0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:46:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48b09c691ab731686e632b8cf5bdaa640ba30146a21c727840350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.127.112 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paris, France X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 03:47:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CDB578.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k6V7lAdk031009 Status: RO Does anyone on the list live in or about Paris, France? I'm going to be visiting from the 14th to the 23rd of Sept., and would like to ask a few questions. thanks, Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 04:10:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V8AOdY001686 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:10:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6V8AIFs003235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 04:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V89gPg003503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V89fwl026904; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6V89biE026878 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 02:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A9633A7053A; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:03:47 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 554 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c6b478$a7b65f20$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <073120060103.22286.44CD56D8000B29D90000570E21602806510A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Status: RO I have borrowed both costumes and props for years. I always return everything in good condition, if not,I pay for it. It always amazes me how some companies mis-treat borrowed items. It is so very unprofessional and gets the company a bad reputation. Soon, no one will loan anything to them. It just takes organization, something I would have thought a professional filming company would be good at. Go figure. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jane Pease Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:03 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 554 Albert said: > That is all well and good. But this "REAL P's of the C" thing was 98% > reenactments. I mean it was the whole shebang. And for the reenactments to be > so > important AND the costuming to be so bad...I mean more than bad...completely > unprofessional! Well, there no excuse. That's my point, really ______________ Gotta chime in here. The re-enactors were the foot soldiers; they were responsible for their own clothing, which represents many research hours and many dollars to get authenticity to the highest level possible. Take a look at the battle and seige scenes in The Southern Strategy" episode and the upcoming ones depicting the war in the South. I believe you will be hard pressed to find fault with the clothing worn by the soldiers (except for that guy with the cigarette in the first episode--don't know where HE came from,). As one who was there during the filming of the Charleston scenes (if you look reeeaaallly fast, you can see my brown silk taffeta sacqueback in some of the dance clips), I can attest to the importance attached to getting the clothing, arms, and camps as close to authentic as possible. I think the ones you are finding fault with are the named characters, who are paid actors and costumed by the production company. The company is interested in a good scene, and if it happens to have good costuming (darned few and far between in this production) that is a chance happening. To their credit, the production company made an effort at authenticity by hiring as a consultant a well-respected re-enactor / scholar to advise them on the military scenes and clothing. He was extremely frustrated because, talk though he might, they weren't interested if it did not fit their idea of the scene. To my knowledge, neither he nor anyone else advised about the costuming of the paid cast. There couldn't have been anyone--otherwise they would not all be running around with (Jo-Ann) lace jabots and dead cats on their heads. Several re-enactors lent or rented clothing or firearms to the productiion company. When--if--they got them back, the items had been very poorly treated and in some cases ruined (despite the costuming departments promises to the contrary, spray-on "stage dirt" IS permanent). On the other hand, there are some interesting touches. One re-enactor, a member of the group which portrays the Coldstream Guards, let them use his officer's dress coat, which a documented copy of a Guards coat of the war period,. So far it has turned up on both General Burgoyne and General Clinton. He is sure that Clinton must be spinning in his grave, to have been seen in a Guards uniform. Keep an eye out for further sightings--the Guards uniform was more elaborate than many of the uniforms worn by the AWI generals. So you will know the coat--it is the one with all the gold braid. Jane Pease _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 09:42:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from minos.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDgQK8014491 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:42:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by minos.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6VDgKP0004037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:42:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDfKZD035019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDfFTM097589; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDfAfL097402 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060731134104.BLIU16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:41:04 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Paris, France Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:40:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01c6b4a6$f4958bd0$0300a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Aca0dcqb69SA97OLQv+T5KsZQpXZ/QAMQ4Lw In-Reply-To: <007301c6b475$7c17b6a0$0300a8c0@boris> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (minos.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:42:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at minos with ID 44CE08BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO I don't live there but have been several times. (born there). Maybe I can help. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carmen Beaudry Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:47 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Paris, France Does anyone on the list live in or about Paris, France? I'm going to be visiting from the 14th to the 23rd of Sept., and would like to ask a few questions. thanks, Melusine -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 09:44:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDidOU014592 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:44:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6VDiXPw009509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:44:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDhaWg036027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:43:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDhYka000638; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VDhV97000452 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:43:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.57f.27d04da (42808) for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <57f.27d04da.31ff62fb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:43:23 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] amusing fashion plates To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5318 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CE0941.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO In a message dated 7/30/2006 10:32:00 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, Appin1@aol.com writes: The pictures are from a book, The Elegant Beast" by Leonard Lubin, 1981, Viking Press. The ISBN is 0-670-29097-1. I own a copy and I have delighted in the illustrations for years. Kathleen Norvell It's out of print but there were 9 copies at Amazon this morning. Now there are 8. ;-) I didn't check with other used book sellers online. Cheryl Odom _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 10:49:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VEn0nC017161 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:49:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6VEmsJw029200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:48:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VEm0p6046944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VElwY0053878; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:47:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VElpif053729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k6VElkbF075541 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:47:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:47:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39215.65.117.156.5.1154357266.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20060727212222.025df780@mail.frys.com> References: <4.3.1.2.20060727212222.025df780@mail.frys.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:47:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - what do you make to beat the heat From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.1, clamav-milter version 0.88.1 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (aeacus.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:48:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at aeacus with ID 44CE1856.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO > Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably > toasty weather? Call me a hard core southerner but I love this heat. That being said, when I am out and about running from one spot to another, the heat does win out. I am wearing long loose a-line dresses with slits up the side leg, slightly off center so that when I sit it does not reveal my bum. Three quarter length sleeves. If skirts, I have the same style slit. If I have to wear hose I wear Wolfords, they feel like nothing at all and do not make my feet sweat. This kinda dress lets the air breeze though my legs when I have to walk out side the office. Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 14:22:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from demeter.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VIMr3p032613 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:22:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by demeter.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6VIMlgV019148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:22:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VIM0j2079848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VILorg056573; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.226]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VFYj8X096509 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jab@uwm.edu) Received: from alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (alpha3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.203]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.13.7/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k6VFYjfs032587 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:34:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [129.89.154.144] ([129.89.154.144]) by alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (8.13.7/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k6VFYit5031586 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:34:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <44CE230F.5010408@uwm.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:34:39 -0500 From: Julie Brautigan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - what do you make to beat the heat - reply References: <4.3.1.2.20060727212222.025df780@mail.frys.com> <39215.65.117.156.5.1154357266.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <39215.65.117.156.5.1154357266.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (demeter.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at demeter with ID 44CE4A77.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Where can one purchase Wolford hosiery - I hate nylons! Julie Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: >>Anyway, what are other people making to cope with this seasonably >>toasty weather? >> >> > >Call me a hard core southerner but I love this heat. That being >said, when I am out and about running from one spot to another, the >heat does win out. > >I am wearing long loose a-line dresses with slits up the side leg, >slightly off center so that when I sit it does not reveal my bum. >Three quarter length sleeves. If skirts, I have the same style slit. >If I have to wear hose I wear Wolfords, they feel like nothing at >all and do not make my feet sweat. > >This kinda dress lets the air breeze though my legs when I have to >walk out side the office. > >Chiara > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 15:42:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VJgPs8004623 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:42:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aeacus.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k6VJgJB0024767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:42:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VJfKZK090804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:41:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VJfGF6029477; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:41:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6VJfBVf029349 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:41:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.131]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20060731194105.MYPR28894.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:41:05 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.131]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20060731194103.IVSS560.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:41:03 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20060731142702.02345890@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:40:57 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] little note.... 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Status: RO Hi Bjarne! Nice to see back on the list. Hot here also.. that's why we leave for Copenhagen on 25 August! ;) When and where is the exhibit? Our primary interests are a bit earlier, but it sounds interesting. We'll only be in Denmark for a week before we have to leave for Sweden and then Norway. Beth >Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:16:46 +0200 >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > >I hope that its ben very booring while i have ben away, god knows its ben >very boring here, and damned two hot, Europe has had one of the badest >summers heatwise, we still have, and i pray it soon gets away. >I must tell you costume wise, that a very important exhibition is taking >place in Copenhagen by all places in September, showing court fashions of >men from 17th century to 18th century. >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 20:20:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k710Ko9g012553 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:20:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k710KilT030740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:20:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k710JmKP028929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k710JiSv060819; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k710Jds5060784 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 18:19:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=osYc5Ogdglgf+7qEe7GzNy7McuVGVSPKCz7k1LuvhfA+DF2uYz5IfRQZm/0JVkaK; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.127.112] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1G7hz0-0006VJ-N5 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <013601c6b500$44ad18a0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002f01c6b4a6$f4958bd0$0300a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paris, France Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:20:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd487b82a85094781519451591eebf8772f2d16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.127.112 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:20:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CE9E5C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO >I don't live there but have been several times. (born there). Maybe I can > help. > > Anne Thanks, Anne, but I'm travelling to Paris Sept. 13th, staying until the 23rd, and would like to meet up with someone from the list if possible. Melusine > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Carmen Beaudry > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:47 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Paris, France > > Does anyone on the list live in or about Paris, France? I'm going to be > visiting from the 14th to the 23rd of Sept., and would like to ask a few > questions. > > thanks, > > Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jul 31 22:58:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from persephone.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k712wjQX015081 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:58:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by persephone.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k712wdWs032567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:58:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k712vsAP046707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:57:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k712voNg053433; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:57:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k712vk1V053371 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:57:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.145.75]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060801025741.INJF16402.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@ANNESCOMPUTER> for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:57:41 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Paris, France Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00a501c6b516$3d633e60$0300a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <013601c6b500$44ad18a0$0300a8c0@boris> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Aca1AJO+VsT3cdRkTvaCoISZpJLm5AAFYx9A X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.3, clamav-milter version 0.88.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (persephone.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:58:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Miltered: at persephone with ID 44CEC35F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Well, enjoy your trip. Hope you get to say HI to the Cluny. Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carmen Beaudry Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paris, France >I don't live there but have been several times. (born there). Maybe I can > help. > > Anne Thanks, Anne, but I'm travelling to Paris Sept. 13th, staying until the 23rd, and would like to meet up with someone from the list if possible. Melusine -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume